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Update On The Jon Johansen Trial

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the thanks-mister-hoy-thanks-a-lot dept.

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nordicfrost writes "The trial against Jon Johansen goes on. Today, John Hoy of the DVD CCA was examined by phone by the defense and the prosecutor in Oslo. We have set up a page to follow the main events in the trial here, in English. The documentation of evidence, and the fact that Hoy didn't answer the phone when the court called, delayed the trial so the final proceedings may not be finished before Monday afternoon." Update: 12/12 23:50 GMT by T : This wasn't really a Science story ...

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Cracking DVDs (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875791)

For Fun and profit

Would you like to know more?

Re: Shut up fag (-1)

Grape Smuggler (569838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875880)

Fuck off little twat. And if you ever post another Soviet Russia comment, I will beat your little twat bloody.

Consider yourself warned.

its john not jon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875799)

In Soviet Russia.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875800)

Jon Johansen Trial Updates YOU!!!

Good thing (1)

unterderbrucke (628741) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875801)

I'm glad they set up a page in English, for 99% of slashdot readers can only read english.

Re:Good thing (1, Redundant)

neksys (87486) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875849)

The world isn't designed for Slashdot readers. Fool.

Re:Good thing (1)

korgull (267700) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875919)

Someone made a mistake than....

Re:Good thing (1)

bloo9298 (258454) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876036)

Where do I file a bug report for the world? Hopefully, God will be switching to Bugzilla soon.

Re:Good thing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875898)

Is that a open source business-model?

1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: Set up page in english.
4: Profit!

Re:Good thing (0)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875966)

1: Place hands on sides of head.
2: Pull upward until head detaches from body.
3: ???
4: Die!

Re:Good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875940)

So 99% are americans, then.

Re:Good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876004)

I'm glad they set up a page in English, for 99% of slashdot readers can only read english.

I'm glad they set up a page in English, for 99% of slashdot readers can only read english.

Funny -- you can parse this a couple ways, but both are pretty much true.

Re:Good thing You smoking crack? (3, Insightful)

puto (533470) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876006)

Hmm,

I speak English,Spanish, Portequese, and a smattering of french. Born and bred in the US.

I would say that comment is far from the truth though. Even though Slashdot is a US based site so english the language and maybe the rest of you guys are interlopers. So why should citizens of an English Speaking country, visiting an english speaking site, be expected to speak another language? You like slashdot, so you read it in English.

I tend to disagree with that comment because with all the anti-american sentiment that floats around here that most people are foreigners(Canadians included). So I would say I good many of us speak another language.

I agree that many people in the US dont have another language when they should.

1. They dont see the necessity, as English is the dominant business language in the world. You need it for international business.
2. You go anywhere and people speak English because we are big tourists.
3.The US is not in proximity with other countries so we do not have the necessity or luck of having to learn another langauge. Europe you guys are all bordered next to each other, short hops in between, easy to travel. Easy to learn another langauge.

I think you are trolling. 45% of the US speaks spanish I beleive. We latinos are falling out the woodwork.

And most people on slashdot are fairly intelligent, including us North Americans, well traveled, and gasp, speak other languages.

We aint as dumb as you think. Course then Germans are all Nazis, Italian women are all Harry, I could go on.

Jeez

Puto

Re:Good thing You smoking crack? (0, Offtopic)

Ringwraith (230940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876063)

What you say makes sense, so you must be a troll. Moderate -100 / reasonable

Re:Good thing You smoking crack? (0, Flamebait)

Marton (24416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876220)

"I speak English,Spanish, Portequese, and a smattering of french. Born and bred in the US."

And where did you learn "Poertquese"? In Poerteuqal?

There IS a country next to Spain called Portugal where they speak Portugese. Is that what you were referring to?

Re:Good thing You smoking crack? (1)

Marton (24416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876255)

Sh*t man, sorry. I should have checked before I flamed you. Of course, "Portequese" is, surprise, Portugese for Portugese.

Sorry man, I'm a dumbass.

Re:Good thing You smoking crack? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876521)

Surely you mean "portuguese".

Re: Pass it along. (2, Funny)

E_elven (600520) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876540)

<tongue in="cheek">

Smattering = smatter.
English Speaking = English-speaking.

"I tend to disagree with that comment--"
You get the comment a lot, then?

"because with all the anti-american sentiment that floats around here that most people are foreigners(Canadians included)"

Oh, the prejudiced foreigners. I'm sure everyone is suitably sorry to have tread on your mighty country.

"You go anywhere and people speak English because we are big tourists."

No, they speak English because the tourists don't speak any other languages.

"The US is not in proximity with other countries so we do not have the necessity or luck of having to learn another langauge."

French. Spanish. Hawaiian.

"--bordered next to each other--Easy to learn another langauge."

Unfortunately agains common beliefs, being in motion doesn't make you learn faster.

" 45% of the US speaks spanish I beleive."

No, it's 95%. Of the latino group.

"Italian women are all Harry"

I don't even want to go there.

</tongue>

Re:Good thing You smoking crack? (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876613)

"3.The US is not in proximity with other countries so we do not have the necessity or luck of having to learn another langauge. Europe you guys are all bordered next to each other, short hops in between, easy to travel. Easy to learn another langauge."

Better understanding of this point right here would probably reduce some of the negative stereotypes about Americans. The US is HUGE. We're not self centered, we're overloaded with what we have. We're not geographically ignorant, we have enough to know about the US before branching out into other countries. (I couldn't point to Afghanistan on a map any more than a German could point to Kansas City.)

I realize this is off topic, but /. comments are full of negative American Stereotypes. Anything that helps clarify details from different points of view will always alleviate this hostility.

Re:Good thing (2)

Joey7F (307495) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876541)

Faen! Jeg er fra Amerika (og jeg bor i Amerika) men jeg snakke en litt av norsk!

--Joey

court tv dvd box set? (1)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875802)

i'm waiting.

Re:court tv dvd box set? (5, Funny)

Flakeloaf (321975) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875985)

Yup. Should be on your nearest P2P network by the end of the week. Due to the marvel of 0-day war3z, we'll know what the verdict is before Johansen does.

first in, first out (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875805)


just to make sure am iam the first one the reply on
this amazing story. DVD is still more or less DVD
what do i wish for Christmas?

fp (-1, Offtopic)

The_Mutato (631710) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875807)

first post plz!!!

First ekrout post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875810)

Eric is a flaming homo.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875811)

Just cause I can.

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875856)

WRONG. Bested you by a minute, I did.

Re:FP (1)

SoSueMe (263478) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876158)

Thank You, Yoda.

Somebody fill me in? (0)

Faizdog (243703) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875816)

What is this trial about? Why is he being tried? Where is it being held? Why was he phoned and not in court?

Re:Somebody fill me in? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875954)

Please fill me in too. I have severe disabilities which prevent me from clicking on any links appearing in a /. story. These same disabilities also prevent me from searching for past stories on this subject.

You may also remember me from a meeting at work -- I was the one who asked you to repeat what the group had just talked about, because my disabilities prevented me from paying attention the first time.

I work in marketing.

IN COMMUNIST KOREA (-1, Offtopic)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875823)

In communist Korea the trial updates YOU!

Re:IN COMMUNIST KOREA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875852)

Clearly your CSS (Content Similar Smirnoff) decoder ring isn't working properly.

IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876085)

IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA the joke gets sick of you.

Step 1: Make profit joke 5000 times
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit!!!

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Re:[ My favorite google search, by ekrout ] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875878)

It's disgusting comments like these that should have a -2

Goatse merchandise? (0)

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I hope they throw the book at him (-1, Troll)

I Am The Owl (531076) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875828)

It's because of people like him who copy DVDs that the prices for media are on the rise in practically every country on Earth.


The tenets of basic economics are hurting the legitmate consumers every time someone steals DVDs.

Re:I hope they throw the book at him (2)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875870)

I give this troll 1/10.

Try harder next time.

Re:I hope they throw the book at him (5, Insightful)

neksys (87486) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875909)

No. The tenets of basic economics are hurting the legitmate consumers every time the MPAA accuses someone of stealing DVDs. The fact of the matter is that DVD piracy is almost nonexistent in North America - unlike MP3s, which can be and are downloaded and burned to CD in minutes, inexpensively. The time and cost of copying DVDs is huge in comparison. DVD piracy just isn't here on a large enough scale to warrant any price increase. Its the same reason gas prices are on the rise in every country on the planet - its making a very small number of people very, very rich.

Re:I hope they throw the book at him (1)

Vladequacy (633590) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875969)

"The fact of the matter is that DVD piracy is almost nonexistent in North America"

But CSS wasn't created to address DVD piracy. It was created to prevent DVD piracy. Maybe it's working, or maybe the technology to copy DVD's is just too expensive right now.

Re:I hope they throw the book at him (1)

Mikeytsi (186271) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876154)

No, it wasn't. You can make a total mirror copy of the DVD, including CSS, and it will work fine. CSS is about protecting "region coding".

Re:I hope they throw the book at him (1)

zbuffered (125292) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875917)

It's because of people like him who copy DVDs that the prices for media are on the rise in practically every country on Earth.

Can't afford DVDs? Pirate them! Do what Tim O'Reilly would do.

Join us! Join us!!!

Re:I hope they throw the book at him (2)

Archie Steel (539670) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875994)

It's because of people like him who copy DVDs that the prices for media are on the rise in practically every country on Earth.

They are? Funny, I though they were going down...

Re:I hope they throw the book at him (3, Insightful)

azcoffeehabit (533327) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876067)

I can't beleve that I am replying to a troll... You really think that the Million's of dollars that the MPAA is spending on prosecuting people in other countries isn't inflating the cost of DVD's faster then the "losses" from DVD pirating? This isn't even a DVD pirating ring of criminal masterminds... THis is a smart kid that was proving to himself that such a thing could be done. He wasn't profiting from the MPAA's IP, I bet he didn't even own a DVD burner. It is the high cost entertainment and IP laywers spending endless hours figuring out who they can sue to keep their job and Porche that are driving the (already over-inflated) cost of DVDs up. Not a 16 year old kid who can reverse engineer a weak encryption scheme.

Finally. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875836)

This article proves that this man is innocent.

In case of Slashdotting - International Site. (1, Redundant)

Vladequacy (633590) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875837)

Article [www.vg.no]

Text:

OSLO DISTRICT COURT (VG Nett) - There's nothing in the CSS-license stopping license holders from making a DVD player for Linux, says John Hoy, President and COO of the DVD Copy Control Association.

Tips en venn om denne saken! - Se dagens mest populære tips!

Få nyhetene om The trial against Jon Johansen først - abonnér på VG Nett Nyhetsbrev!
Trykk her!
In the penal trial against DVD-Jon, the case reached John Hoy, President and COO of DVD CCA Thursday morning. DVD CCA and Motion Pictures Association are the offended parts in the trial.

- I am calling from Oslo District Court, can you please call back us? Was the message on John Hoy's answering machine this morning. And when pohne contact finally was established between Oslo and Phoenix, Arizona, a statment on what Jon Johansen broke into followed.

Clear demand

Content Scrambling System (CSS) is made up of an encryption part and a license part. An encryption of DVD movies was, according to Hoy's statement, a clear demand from the film industry for accepting a high-quality format like DVD.

- All DVD movies would be a perfect copy, Hoy explained via interpreter.

A central point in the defense case of attorney Halvor Manshaus is that there was no DVD player for Linux in 1999.

- A company that recieves a CSS license can use the technology in any operating system, Hoy said to prosecutor Inger Marie Sunde.

- If someone wants to make a player for Linux, there's nothing in the license stopping that, he added later on.

Interested in timing

Manshaus was interested in the point of time for DVD CCAs taking over of the responsibility for handing out of CSS-licenses.

- We handed out licenses from the latter part of September 1999, and became the sole entity or publisher of CSS licenses from mid December 1999, Hoy said.

Manshaus made no point of the fact that this after DVD-Jon made the decryption tool DeCSS available mid September 1999.

Another interesting topic Manshaus touched in his examination was wether any clauses on region control existed in the license agreement between DVD CCA and the manufacturers of DVD players.

Would not comment

Hoy was read the clause in the definition list describing what is copy protection means in the CSS license agreement. The encryption part is not mentioned specifically there, and Hoy did not want to comment on what DVD CCA recognizes as the legal definition of copy protection and Manshaus finished off his questioning.

- I can't get himto answer the question, Manshaus said.

Before Hoy testified by phone, DVD-Jon was asked to go into detail on some of his answers from earlier in the trial. Prosecutor Inger Marie Sunde was mostly occupied by stating dates for the turn of events in autumn 1999, whil the defense was busy leveling out negative statements about the Linux community, that DVD-Jon was quoted with in September 1999.

Get trials cheap (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875839)

go to Google's new beta product search [google.com] to find cheap trials!

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How come the article has the 'Movies' icon? (1)

Jack William Bell (84469) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875846)

Heh...

Re:How come the article has the 'Movies' icon? (1)

Vladequacy (633590) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875895)

Jack, I think it has the Movies icon because the CSS protection codes were designed to protect movie content on dvd dics.

Re:How come the article has the 'Movies' icon? (1)

KarMannJRO (616677) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875973)

Heck with the "Movies" icon, what I want to know is, why the heck is it listed as a "Science" article?!? That's even less obvious.

I needs help (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875848)

I need to fucking get my life together, and I really don't have a clue as to what direction I want to go. I'm smart, athletic, and have strong interpersonal skills, but I don't have a clue what I should do with myself. All my friends are back stabbing bastards, but I can't leave them due to my own loyalty and fear of associating with non-back stabbing bastards, which whom I have little experience. I've slowly become somewhat of a closet recluse. Many times I won't answer the phone unless I feel that it could be really important. Sometimes I'll turn my cellphone off for a day or so when I'm expecting a call I don't want. I could easily have a beautiful, smart girlfriend, but I'm too apathetic to call her. I sometimes avoid people I know and like when in public places, just because I don't feel like putting on a pretty face for them. Strangely enough, when I do pick up the phone, I end up going out and having a good time. On the outside, I'm indestructible, and many people would envy me. On the other hand, I exhibit these qualities only because I'm afraid of failure. I'm a good leader and am very compassionate and giving, but I've "sucked it up" forever, and though my resilience will never wear out, I would like to give it a break. An overall summary of my social state would be "paranoid in solitude".

I'm jobless, and under pressure from family to follow in standard capitalist American footsteps. "You sure you don't want to be a surgeon? They make a lot of money." I say to myself that I want to get into either civil or nuclear engineering, but in reality I don't have a clue what either field would require. I have good enough credentials to get into any university in the US, but I really don't have a clue where I want to go or should go. I also feel tempted to join the US Naval Academy, but I have NO CLUE why. I'm working on learning a third language, but have no clue what I would use it for. I want to help humanity in a big way, but I can't stand 99% of the humans I know. I want to "follow my dreams", but unfortunately I don't even know my own dreams! I want to make lots of money, even though I have strong morals that somehow contradict capitalism... hell, I already have lots of money, but I don't even know what to do with it. I feel like there isn't enough time to risk doing something that would force me to backtrack, but I'm wasting time in the process of waiting!

I'm lost religiously. I was Roman Catholic born and bread, but even when I manage to make myself go to mass nowadays, I only find myself contradicting the sermon in my head, and generally making myself feel doomed. I'm not atheist, because there is no way I could come to terms with death resulting in nothing more than worm food, and this is coming from someone who scored an IQ of 177 when he was 16. Kinda funny that I have the knowledge to know why there is no god, but on the other hand, my own emotions and "heart" are too powerful for my brain to take over.

Ahh, shit.

Re:I needs help (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875936)

Slashdot is really not the place to put such a post.
Find a non-Catholic Church.
Find an alcoholic beverage you like (I like Scotch).
Get a birlfirend that is smart and reasonably good looking.
Drive fast, but drive with precision and not recklessly.
Do not past that kind of stuff on Slashdot.

Re:I needs help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876071)

this has to be the best fricken advice I have ever seen.

Re:I needs help (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876181)

make up your mind this post has been modded offtopic, insightful and now funny

Doesn't it set things off poorly... (4, Interesting)

TWX_the_Linux_Zealot (227666) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875855)

...when someone who would be a star witness does the telephone equivalent of not showing up in court? I wouldn't think that this would completely blow the case against the defendant, but I would imagine that many judges wouldn't give the prosecution much slack if they pulled a stunt like that.

Re:Doesn't it set things off poorly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876476)

It does say something about America that "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" can get people to answer the phone every single time, but the star witness in a case with global implications can't.

Who is he? (5, Informative)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875869)

Incase anyone forgot, This is the guy that wrote DeCSS [cmu.edu] (The program that lets people decode dvds so they can be played in free operating systems).

More info on the trial at Google News [google.com] (Wouldnt it be cool if slashdot automagicly added a google news link to stories to show all relevant links?)

Re:Who is he? (5, Informative)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875912)

Actually, he didn't. He was credited for doing it, but as far as I know, he just wrote the GUI in VisualBasic.

Re:Who is he? (3, Funny)

mdechene (607874) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876077)

Hmmm.... A VB Programmer......Now I'm conflicted! A Vote for Free Information is also a vote for VB.......Maybe the prosecution should pull this one off this time............although I do love my Ogle so I feel bad saying that......

Re:Who is he? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876272)

Visual Basic? Would that be the C++ edition of VB [carnagepro.com] ?

Re:Who is he? (3, Interesting)

JonWan (456212) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875927)

Sorry but he didn't write DCSS, some guy in germany did and remained anonymous. Jon tested it and posted it to the newsgroup.

Re:Who is he? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875935)

A open source business-model?

1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: Use Google News.
4: Profit!

Invalid form key: jKBCiUjhFE ! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875877)

Scrap form keys!

Re:Invalid form key: jKBCiUjhFE ! (1)

SoSueMe (263478) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876322)

Are we sure it wasn't "fUCKtHeMpAA"?

absence (2)

intermodal (534361) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875881)

Shouldn't there be some sort of repercussions for this absence? they're wasting the legal system's time, as well as Jon's. What crap.

Here's a clue.... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876108)

The trial is in Europe & the person they we're calling lives in Arizona.

Jaysyn

Here's a summary... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875894)

Here's a quick summary:

The trial against Jon Johansen goes on. Today, John Hoy of the DVD CCA was examined by phone by the defense and the prosecutor in Oslo. The documentation of evidence, and the fact that Hoy didn't answer the phone when the court called, delayed the trial so the final proceedings may not be finished before Monday afternoon.

That's all for now,

--Karma Whore

DeCSS and such (3, Insightful)

TheWhaleShark (414271) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875929)

DeCSS is, in theory, an excellent piece of coding. The problem, as is true with technologies along its lines, is that there is quite a bit of room for abuse.

I think the key here is rather than trying to put this guy away, DVD manufacturers should work with the DeCSS technology to find a happy medium. Obviously, free OS's will need some way to play DVD's, so it makes sense that the technology should expand to include these users. Just putting people on trial in hopes that all these issues will go away is ludicrous. If DVD manufacturers are worried about their products being pirated, imagine the response when the creator of DeCSS gets jailed. This isn't the way to go about it.

Of course, people who can legitimately play DVD's shouldn't exactly be going around DeCSS'ing every DVD and distributing it on Kazaa or your filesharing program of choice. Abusing the technology is just as big a problem as those trying to shut it down.

Re:DeCSS and such (2, Interesting)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876118)

DeCSS is, in theory, an excellent piece of coding. The problem, as is true with technologies along its lines, is that there is quite a bit of room for abuse.

Not the part Jon wrote. He violated the GPL by taking other peoples "excellent code" that was released GPL. Check the real history on it (In regards to LiViD) and understand that Jon was just trying to be greedy and stupid.

Granted, it's bunk he's on trial but he's not a saint. He also has posted rather inflammatory things about Linux (and totes FreeBSD) on mailing lists before he tried to harness the Linux communities support.

Re:DeCSS and such (1)

TheWhaleShark (414271) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876210)

OK, maybe "excellent piece of coding" is a bit much. It's a good idea, but it's been abused like there's no tomorrow. It's got potential, it just needs to be developed.

I didn't really mean to say that Jon was a saint; but still, like you said, he shouldn't be on trial. There are bigger problems in the world than the abuse of DeCSS.

Re:DeCSS and such (5, Interesting)

mcc (14761) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876545)

I think the key here is rather than trying to put this guy away, DVD manufacturers should work with the DeCSS technology to find a happy medium.

This is what you're missing. The DVD Forum people don't want a "happy medium". They want three things:
  1. They want to recieve license fees for every dvd-capable video player in existence.
  2. They want every dvd-capable video player in existence to work by their rules-- i.e., the ones that allow content producers to completely set what it is possible to do with each disc. I.e. the Sixth Sense 'you cannot access the menu until you watch this trailer for another movie, every time you insert the dvd', or the thing on certain dvds that won't let you pause, or framestep, or whatever.
  3. They want to retain an unchallenged sense of control over their ordered little world.
Which one of these three is the focus varies, but in general #2 is the biggie here, at least because of a perception that content producers flocked to DVD solely becuase they had that level of control. At some point, it seemed that DVD peoples fear that if content producers lost that control, they'd stop putting so much stuff on dvds, switch to another format, or try to take legal action of some kind.

#2 is the biggie insofar as linux goes first off becuase "the linux community" will not truly be happy using a closed source video player-- there will always be the person upset he couldn't play dvds on his 10-year-old sparc because the "approved" propeitary player is x86 and PPC only. But much more importantly, this is a problem because open source platforms inherently empower the user. In the end, the user is in control of everything on the OS. This scares the DVD forum. Remember: In order for Apple to get the DVD forum to let them license their dvd player, Apple was forced to write the dvd player in such a way that it refuses to run if MacsBug, the system-level debugger is running, because MacsBug lets you do things like branch to unscheduled subroutines at random moments, and such would have allowed people to take screenshots while the DVD is running! This is a fairly big thing, MacsBug is a versatile tool that LOTS of people run for various reasons, and it is the best/only way to debug many pieces of software. Because there were potential uses of MacsBug that allowed the user to evade the control the DVD forum wants, macsbug users have to switch the thing off and restart anytime they want to watch a DVD.Given this, why on earth do you think the dvd forum would be okay with allowing any DVD player, even a propeitary one, on an OS where everything in the OS including the device drivers can be re-coded by the user?

Of course, the macsbug thing is a sham: a simple machine-code hack patch thing which is very readily available will allow anyone to alter the dvd player app so that it doesn't notice macsbug. But despite this, Apple still has to leave the "no macsbug" code in the OS 9 version of the DVD player, lest they offend the DVD consortium's illusion of complete control, which they must for some reason maintain to themselves at all costs.

If the DVD people were interested in a happy medium, i'm almost certain one would have been reached. Remember, the mathematical flaws in CSS remained uncracked for *years* while CSS was just being used for satellite TV; CSS was only knocked over after millions of linux users were left with the alternatives of either someone hacking CSS, or not being able to use products they paid good money for without booting into windows. The "hackers" can sometimes compromise.. but the DVD forum people cared more about control than compromise, and so the LiViD people went around the DVD forum... and we now have DeCSS.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875960)

You call the court!

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FirstPostRobot0 (629781) | more than 11 years ago | (#4875981)

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This concludes this test of the First Post Robot.

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IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876002)

Robots first-post YOU

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4875991)

DeCSS decrypts YOU

Auto-slashdot on purpose? (1, Redundant)

sverrehu (22545) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876015)

I don't know who this "nordicfrost" is in person, but his home page is the index page of VG, the leading tabloid paper in Norway. Also, the link to "we have set up ... here in English" points to the same paper. I hereby assume that "nordicfrost" works for VG.

This auto-slashdotting appears the day after several Norwegian papers accuse the main tabloid competitor of VG for cheating in the national "we-have-the-most-popular-web-site-in-Norway". The competitor had made a popular Norwegian game site give all its web hits to them.

Some people may think that auto-slashdotting is more of a cheat, but as the Jon Johansen case shows, what "some people" may think is not necessarily what counts. Money rule.

topics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876016)

Science? Or Movies?

Why under the Science Topic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876043)

The science of getting ass-reamed by the MPAA?

I think that the experiment will be resounding success, based on the data that 2600 has gathered.

the slashdot effect! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876048)

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BURN HIM (-1)

Bitter Old Man (572131) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876113)

Douse the Norwegian pigfucker in gasoline and set him aflame! Then shoot him. The worthless fucking leeching pirate.

"Please let my cellmate be gentle" (-1, Troll)

garyok (218493) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876120)

Oh it's all very popular to support this guy and act like he's Robin Hood v2.0 but let's face facts: what he did was unethical and criminal. He didn't want to support the risks of attempting to launch a commercial linux player with it's attendant licensing fees, so he devised a system to decrypt and copy the protected information. I mean he didn't create a player, he created a way to make an unprotected copy of the information.

Now, if he'd kept that process to himself, his actions would have been ethical and he'd wouldn't incur the risk of prosecution. He gets to watch his DVDs on his equipment. Everyone is happy at this point. Him, the DVD Consortium, Linux users (who can't be worried by what they don't know about). But he has to show off how bloody clever he is and sticks the code on the net, knowing full well his code will allow hundreds of thousands of people to rip off information that was meant to be paid for.

Not so clever now, are we Mr. HaxØrsson? I hope the memory of his geek fandom, and all the chicks he managed to score with using the line "I'm the guy that decrypted CSS", sustain him through those dark times when he drops his soap in the showers from now on.

He's going down for his immature hubris, and I won't get all misty for him.

Re:"Please let my cellmate be gentle" (1)

crawdaddy (344241) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876215)

Seems like what you're talking about is that producing a device that has genuine ETHICAL purposes but can be misused to break the law is actually UNETHICAL and should be criminalized if you allow others to use it.

innovation n.

1. The act of introducing something new.
2. Something newly introduced.
I believe DeCSS falls under this category.

stifle v. stifled, stifling, stifles

v. tr.
1. To interrupt or cut off (the voice, for example).
2. To keep in or hold back; repress: stifled my indignation.
3. To kill by preventing respiration; smother or suffocate.
This is what you're trying to do.

I'm not going to bother explaining to you how DeCSS has ethical or genuine purpose. I will point out, however, that the creators of the internet did not keep it to themselves because it was new technology that they felt should be open to the public. People commit crimes via the internet daily. Do you feel that the innovators of the internet deserve to be behind bars as well? If not, PLEASE respond because I'm very interested in hearing your argument.

Not a hero (4, Interesting)

kyrre (197103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876127)

When you read about Jon Johansen you shold realize that he is not a hero. Not only did tok credit for stuff other people did, he broke the GPL. http://people.debian.org/~kju//decsstruth.txt [debian.org] . However one thing he did not do was break norwegian law. The aternoey representing the state is even having trouble figuring out what illegal he has done. People talk about how this is important in regard to similar cases that may accure in the future. I say we found a pretty lousy guy to represent 'us'.

Re:Not a hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876307)

From your linked article:

"But because i'm afraid of flames i won't tell you my name."

That's strange [harvard.edu] . Why would someone be flamed for speaking the truth? Probably because it isn't the truth.

http://eon.law.harvard.edu/archive/dvd-discuss/m sg 01540.html

Re:Not a hero (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876331)

A different viewpoint [harvard.edu] :


I read through a lot of the list and several things struck me. Overall,
I see the list as lending a lot of credibility to Johansen's case. I
don't see it casting doubt as to this.

Overall, I think the livid-dev mailing list shows Johansen was trying
to contribute to Linux (and FreeBSD) and shared code with Derek Fawcus
as a liason to bring this about. He clearly believed _before_ he was
arrested that his actions were consistent with the DMCA and measured
them carefully.

Re:Not a hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876508)

From your parents article article:
"So, DeCSS was a clear break of GPL! So much for a guy who got his legal defense paid by the EFF because he wanted to support Linux...

This incident got the linux dvd people of course upset on Jon Johansen. He was emailed and informed that under the GPL he is obligated to release the source code too. He simply refused that in his response and stated that linux was a bad os and he wishes it would had never been released(!). So much for a guy who pretends to be a linux supporter."


Later he released the source but this was only after some other guy got it from a webiste of his. This file was not intended by the public. But he gave in for the preasure and released to source later. So for a while there he distributed binary only version of GPL'ed software. And what about him trying to help linux, FreeBSD. All he did was code a Windows GUI in Visual Basic. How does that help Free software?

Re:Not a hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876571)

The GUI was Visual Basic [carnagepro.com] ?

It's really reassuring that these anonymous truth seekers can't even tell the difference between VB and C/C++. I think I'll trust someone who isn't a coward [harvard.edu] .


I read through a lot of the list and several things struck me. Overall,
I see the list as lending a lot of credibility to Johansen's case. I
don't see it casting doubt as to this.

Overall, I think the livid-dev mailing list shows Johansen was trying
to contribute to Linux (and FreeBSD) and shared code with Derek Fawcus
as a liason to bring this about.

Re:Not a hero (0, Flamebait)

kyrre (197103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876589)

"Overall, I think the livid-dev mailing list shows Johansen was trying to contribute to Linux (and FreeBSD) and shared code with Derek Fawcus"

And the article say this: So Jon redeclared the GPL. You aren't obligated to publish your modification in the public, you just give them to the original author. And if you are not nice to him (and give him something), you get nothing. Nice try.
From: "Jon Johansen"
Subject: Re: [Livid-dev] DeCSS 1.1b has been released
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:36:03 +0200

We would never release the source to everyone. It has been released to Derek who knows how to handle it, and when to release which parts of it. I trust him, and I am sure he will release what's needed, at the most convenient point. If you have trouble with that, then go reverse engineer css yourself.

Oh, this guy really wanted to help the linux community? How? Releasing binary only module for CSS decoding? Or how should the linux community use his CSS hack without the source?

Hoy didn't answer the phone... (3, Funny)

Snaller (147050) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876136)

... because police confiscated his cell phone - thinking it was a hacking instrument??

OT: Science???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876160)

Why is this in the Science section? Shouldn't it be in YRO?

Re:OT: Science???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876178)

They were going to put it in YRO but it's full of pathetic crap right now.

Did you download it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876194)

I heard they have a list of people who downloaded the decoder (5000 names) and charges will be raised against them also. They may have to fight a legal battle in court.

CSS vs. CSS (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876224)

Håkon Wium Lie has written an interesting article [opera.com] on the trial called "CSS vs. CSS".


Today's two highlights were the sudden evaporation of two witnesses' ability to answer obvious questions. First, Mr John Hoy (62), president of DVD CCA, did not understand his own organization's definition of "Copy Protection Functions". By answering questions on this topic he would undermine the prosecutor's position on "copy protection", so he suddenly turned stale and the defense gave up questioning him.

The other highlight was when another witness of the prosecutor was asked if "zone-free" DVD players are easily available in the market. The witness claimed not to know. Now, anyone in Norway remotely interested in DVD technology must be unusually dense not to know that most players sold here are "zone-free" -- the players break the DVD CCA rules by allowing people to play the US editions of DVD movies. Why Jon is charged when zone-free DVD players are sold openly in the store next door is a question worth asking.

Here in English link broken (4, Funny)

m0nkyman (7101) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876257)

Come on folks, virtually everybody in Scandinavia can read and write English, who the heck did that translation? It reads like it was translated from the original Japanese into English by a unilingual Cantonese speaker then translated into Norwegian by a drunken Scotsmen, only to be translated back into English by a committee of patent attorneys.

Re:Here in English link broken (2)

m0nkyman (7101) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876565)

To whomever rated me flamebait, I was going for funny. If you had actually followed the link, you'd agree:

"In the penal trial against DVD-Jon, the case reached John Hoy, President and COO of DVD CCA Thursday morning. DVD CCA and Motion Pictures Association are the offended parts in the trial.

- I am calling from Oslo District Court, can you please call back us? Was the message on John Hoy's answering machine this morning. And when pohne contact finally was established between Oslo and Phoenix, Arizona, a statment on what Jon Johansen broke into followed."

Come on, that's Funny!

Difference between patent and copyright (4, Insightful)

smiff (578693) | more than 11 years ago | (#4876428)

Manshaus was interested in the point of time for DVD CCAs taking over of the responsibility for handing out of CSS-licenses.

What Hoy is insinuating here, is that the DVD CCA has a government granted monopoly on anything CSS related. Judge Kaplan bought it, but it's simply not true. If the DVD CCA wanted a monopoly on decoding DVDs, they should have applied for a patent.

I don't know what the law is in Finland, but in the United States it is unconstitutional for the government to mix patents and copyrights.

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their
respective Writings and Discoveries

John Johansen? wtf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876564)


I got a Johansen in my pants for ya!

Send this monster to prison. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4876640)

This Jon Johansen makes Adolf Hitler look like Mister Rogers. He is a criminal and a terrorist and is deserving of only the most severe punishment.
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