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Jon Johansen Trial Continues

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the grinding-grinding dept.

The Courts 164

An anonymous reader writes "The Norwegian prosecution has been allowed to change the indictment in their case against "DVD-Jon" Johansen. There is an English language article on Friday's trial proceedings now available." VG.nett is also covering the trial.

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More repeat stories (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880912)


Try reading the front page dumbass

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881105)

Your parents live with YOU!

Stephan Hawking, dead at 62 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881277)

I just heard the sad news on the television.
Noted parapylegic adulterer and cosmological rapper Stephen "MC" Hawking was found dead in his Cambridge home early this morning.
Apparently Dr. Hawking was repeatedly shot in the head by his assistant.
You may not have liked "A Brief History of Rhyme", but there is no denying his seminal influence on the fledgling British "gangsta rap" scene.
Truly a deviant gimp limey, he will truly be missed.

First Post? (-1, Redundant)

nrvous6 (590059) | more than 11 years ago | (#4880915)

Will they ever leave this guy alone?

Fry his ass (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880916)

Fuck him, damned criminal. I hope they televise the execution.

In Soviet Russia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880920)

Indictment changes you

Re:In Soviet Russia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880958)

Moderators are quick on the game, as are the In Soviet Russia people.

Re:In Soviet Russia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880976)

Very fast indeed.

I like it when mod points are wasted.

Re:In Soviet Russia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881237)

Time to waste some more mod points.

La da di, la da dum...

I'm happy! (-1, Redundant)

unterderbrucke (628741) | more than 11 years ago | (#4880935)

I'm glad they wrote a story in English, for 99% of slashdot readers can only read english.

Re:I'm happy! (2, Funny)

rbgaynor (537968) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881015)

Sadly only about 45% can write english...

Re:I'm happy! (0, Offtopic)

thunderbee (92099) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881035)

And it is quite a sad thing, as speaking at least one other language is rewarding. But then, most of the slashdot readers seem to know but a few hundred words of english, and that would hardly qualify as knowing a language (yes I mean the native english speakers, not foreigners speaking their language AND english) ;->

FUCK YOU, PUMPERNICKEL!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881040)

FOAD Chainrust you fucking shitsack.

True (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881044)

True, only read.

And I'm glad running jokes are still in. (1, Offtopic)

Ted_Green (205549) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881052)

Good thing [slashdot.org]

Interesting trivia but (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880936)


Then again Americans are good at repeating shite in the name of "news" so why should slashdot be any different ?

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/12/12/2117232.shtml ?tid=97 [slashdot.org]

DVD-John is a stupid young man (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880939)

And what he did was wrong. By the way, may I rip off all your work and call it mine? May I sell it and trade it for personal gain too?

DVD Ripping Guides in Linux (5, Informative)

Guiri (522079) | more than 11 years ago | (#4880945)

Too see how things have changed ;) here are some DVD ripping under Linux guides.. http://dvdripping-guid.berlios.de [berlios.de]

Why isn't Bill Gates being tried? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4882378)



http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/foia/divisionmanual/ch2.h tm [usdoj.gov]

This looks like a crime to me.

Hi! You are a bitch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880946)

Yes you are!!

By the way you are touching yourself, I can tell you like being dominated you fucking Linux lovingTrekkie.

I will let you taste suck my shit encrusted cock after i rape your white ass

Now grab your ankles and say " FUCK ME SIR!!!"

Re:Hi! You are a bitch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880962)

You just found this place, right? You normally hang at the FuckedCompany forum, right?

Hang him. (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#4880955)


Jon Johansen is an evil h4x0r that in one fell swoop allowed socialist Linux and *BSD hippies to watch DVDs on their computers.
If there is any justice, he will be hung from a tall tree in the morning.

Yours truly,

Jack Valenti

Re:Hang him. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880996)

"Jon Johansen is an evil h4x0r that in one fell swoop allowed socialist Linux and *BSD hippies to watch DVDs on their computers."

Nope, just allowed them to do so without paying for them.

Re:Hang him. (2, Funny)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882066)

That's interesting. Every DVD I've played on Linux I've paid for.

Re:Hang him. (4, Funny)

cnkeller (181482) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881008)

If there is any justice, he will be hung from a tall tree in the morning.

Thanks to the new 802.11b wireless tree networks, we'll all have ample notice to resue him...

Mod parent up! (2)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881037)

..too much laughing.. chest clenching up...

Re:Hang him. (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881096)

we'll all have ample notice to resue him

Yeah, we could send in a strike team of those robot butterfly assassins built in Soviet Russia.

Re:Hang him. (0, Offtopic)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881117)

in Soviet Russia the robot butter fly's you.

Re:Hang him. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881379)

Wrong article, asshat.

...ample notice to resue him... (2)

dpilot (134227) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882123)

"resue"?

Freudian slip or spelling error?

Do you want to SUE him again, or do you want to RESCUE him?

Re:Hang him. (5, Funny)

alexburke (119254) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882324)

Thanks to the new 802.11b wireless tree networks, we'll all have ample notice to resue him...

Didn't you mean spanning tree? *rimshot*

Thanks! I'll be here all day! Try the fish. Tip your waitress!

Re:Hang him. (5, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881033)

If you hang him in Humboldt County, the tree sitters can continue their protest another two months! Make sure you salt him well.

Sincerely,

Grizzly Adams

Re:Hang him. (2)

dazed-n-confused (140724) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881636)

> If there is any justice, he will be hung from a tall tree in the morning.

You mean "hanged", Valenti, you illiterate poltroon! A picture can be hung; a man is only ever hanged. (Unless you mean he is "well hung"...).

New DVD reader for all *NIX (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880984)

Now down to a function call, openDK() [fazigu.org] will add full DVD functionality to any *NIX system. Faster, more compact, simple. Just takedown, compile, run.

But at least the RIAA and their reps are sorry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880991)

..

Apology not accepted [dubyadubyadubya.com]

.

Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (5, Insightful)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4880992)

Not only can we have secret trials, but we can change the charges around until we get the outcome we want! Now we can be the subject of surviellience with out a warrant, arrested for a classified reason, not get to see a lawyer or contact anyone, held for an indefinite amount of time, be termed as a 'enemy combatant' with no constitutional rights, be tried by a secret military tribunal, and if the charges don't stick, we can change them mid-trial.

I sure feel safer with the deck stacked.

Yes. I realize this is off-topic. Soon it won't be.

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (5, Funny)

anonymous loser (58627) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881097)

Prosecution: You're being charged with murder.
Jon: Murder? With my computer?
Prosecution: Uh, did we say murder? We meant assault.
Jon: All I did was write a program!
Prosecution: Internet Fraud! Exactly what we meant to say.
Jon: How is viewing a DVD on linux fraud?
Prosecution: What's linux?
Jon: A free operating system.
Prosecution: No such thing! We're charging you with Theft and "Intent to View DVDs on Stolen System"!

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (3, Funny)

UberLord (631313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881167)

Why would a Microsoft lawyer be doing a murder case?

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (3, Informative)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881315)

It's part of the Monty Python skit.

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (2, Funny)

UberLord (631313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881488)

I was alluding to the fact that there's no such thing as a Free Operating system (or software for that matter) from a MS wannabe perspective. Obviously my level of humour is vastly superior to your intellect and I humbly appologise ;)

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (2)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881738)

LOL. I caught your drift. I could not help but envision a Monty Python skit with your Microsoft Lawyer as prosecutor, judge, and jury on this case. A true farce just as Jon is enduring now.

In Soviet Russia (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881125)

...you joke about Americans having less freedom than you do.

Re:In Soviet Russia (2, Insightful)

Capt. DrunkenBum (123453) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881266)

Yeah,and in Americia they are beginning to realize that it is no longer a joke.

Re:In Soviet Russia (2)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881997)

Coco 2/3 cpu clock doubler IIRC

Your sig: Enter the monitor (1)

MickLinux (579158) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882239)

Aaah.

ROR
LDA #$40
STA $66C0

aaah. For the good old days when Assembly language was Assembly language, men were men, and us computer geeks were unknown.

Actually, I didn't know the CALL for the miniassembler, so I memorized opcodes.

Re:In Soviet Russia (1)

IsoRashi (556454) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882102)

dead horse beat YOU to death!

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881156)

I like the idea of getting sworn testimony from the defendant. Then changing the crime so that his testimony makes him guilty.

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (3, Informative)

Avakado (520285) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881647)

First of all, the trial isn't secret. I've been attending all of it since Monday. The change to the indictment was done with the defender's agreement (he said he thought it was very weird that Økokrim wanted to charge Jon for having gained access to the lock itself. Locks aren't protected by any law.) If the defender had disagreed, the trial would have been restarted, but the amount of extra time that would have taken, combined with the stupidity of the change made the defender think it wasn't worth it (or so he said.)

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (2)

Fatal0E (230910) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881701)

You realize that this trial is taking place in Norway right? It doesnt seem like that much of a stretch (since IANAL) to assume that Norwegian precedent have 0 (zero) effect on the US legal system.

I still thnk you're right about Ascrofts intentions but this wont strengthen his positions at all.

Re:Wait til Ashcroft get his hands on this! (3, Informative)

ethereal (13958) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882534)

This is pretty standard courtroom stuff in the U.S., though - the prosecution can pretty much bring new charges, and ask to dismiss existing ones, any time they can talk a grand jury into making the new indictment. The only difference is that you'd essentially have to start a new trial, but all of the evidence from the old one would still be a matter of record. There is nothing unfair about this.

For those who are saying that they got the testimony, and then changed the charges: it's not like you get immunity for anything you say on the stand, right? If I am on trial for theft, and I happen to own up to a murder, you can bet that I'll be on trial for murder pretty soon too. If you broke the law in more ways than one (not that I can tell whether he did or not), don't admit it in court if you can avoid it. In the U.S., invoke the 5th Amendment.

The only issue would be if the law itself was changed following testimony; there would then be an ex post facto issue (although who knows how that works in Norway) that would seem to make the trial unfair. But just adding new charges because the defendent admitted to supposedly illegal behavior in open court is not unethical; the defendant and his counsel should know what the law is and have some idea of how to steer clear of other potential dangerous admissions during their defense on the first charge.

I wish Jon all the best - I think he should be considered innocent. But it doesn't help to make it seem like there's some vast legal conspiracy against him; the events so far have been accepted elements of justice systems worldwide for centuries.

Yeah, we get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4880994)

It will continue until its done. We know. We understand how these things work.

I'm sick of this story. (3, Insightful)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4880999)

Seriously. There aren't any major developments to warrant a story on the front page every 12 hours.

Give it a rest, and mention it at least every other 2 weeks. There isn't any room for discussion left. Everything has been said 300 times before.

Mod away!

Re:I'm sick of this story. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881061)

You call changing the charges after a trial has started, minor? Maybe you'll think differently when it happens to you.

Re:I'm sick of this story. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881094)

*yawn*

I would listen to Linus Torvalds read the binary machine code of the latest linux kernel outloud.

Slow news day (0)

Mothra the III (631161) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881063)

I agree, there must be something else going on in the world thats interesting to nerds.

Re:I'm sick of this story. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881688)

Give it a rest, and mention it at least every other 2 weeks.

Hell, or once every four weeks even!!

Re:I'm sick of this story. (4, Funny)

KjetilK (186133) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881978)

Uhm, they are playing Calvin Ball in court, actually, I would say that is news...

Mmm... Calvin Ball :-) (3, Informative)

rsborg (111459) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882368)

Uhm, they are playing Calvin Ball in court, actually, I would say that is news...

For those who are a bit confused about the rules [geocities.com] of Calvin Ball...

Its only absolute rule is you can't play it the same way twice.

text of the article... (4, Informative)

nickclarke (606395) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881010)

...before it gets slashdotted:

Prosecution changes charges against "DVD-Jon"

The prosecution in the trial of Jon Lech Johansen, known as "DVD-Jon" due to his connection with a computer program to decrypt DVD copy protection codes, presented amended charges in court on Friday.

The changes largely reflect Økokrim - Norway's special force for economic crime - wanting to include charges that Johansen also cracked code that revealed a repository of protection keys. According to the prosecution, this made it possible for the decryption program DeCSS to work on a wide range of films.

Johansen's defense counsel, Halvor Manshaus, opposed this new development, saying he felt it changed the very nature of the indictment, which the prosecution is not allowed to do while the trial is in progress.

Prosecutor Inger Marie Sunde argues that the changes only make the original indictment more precise, and so do not represent new charges.

After consideration Manshaus withdrew his objection to the changes, not waiting for a ruling from the judge.

"I have objections to how this is done - that changes come now, so late in the trial. I have now formal objections against the changes themselves, rather that we now, after the presentation of evidence is over, get this change - which in my opinion comes without sufficient supporting evidence," Manshaus said.

"Such a formal objection would mean that we would have to present new evidence and this would in practice lead to a deferment of the trial and we have no interest in that," Manshaus said.

Throughout the proceeding Manshaus has been extremely brief, trying to get the prosecution to concentrate on what he feels are the actual charges and presenting his counter-arguments far more quickly.

The trial was originally scheduled to conclude with closing arguments on Friday. This will now take place on Monday, primarily to allow the defense to adjust arguments to reflect the newly worded indictment. Judgment will not fall until after New Year.

This was the third time the charges against Johansen change. This spring Økokrim amended the indictment to complicity with cracking DVD codes, which means that they do not have to prove that Johansen acted alone. Just before the start of the trial Johansen's defense counsel had the wording of the charges slightly adjusted.

The trial this week has been dominated by the prosecution's painstaking attempts to argue that Johansen deliberately contributed to the removal of copy protection of DVD films leading to their free distribution on the Internet.

DVDs have a reserve of 408 encrypted keys, where at least one must correspond to a key in the DVD-player in order to access the data. According to Johansen himself, the original DeCSS contained only one key, but this was later expanded thanks to the efforts of friends on the Internet.

Johansen's defense argues that he and his friends only cracked the code in order to play films legally purchased on a computer using the Linux operating system.

Much of Friday morning's trial time was spent documenting online conversations between Johansen and his friends.

DeCSS, was published in 1999 and widely associated with Johansen via reports in the media. Specialist circles have debated Johansen's level of involvement with the actual codebreaking. Johansen also made the program freely available for download via the Internet.

Re:text of the article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881145)

Why would it get Slashdotted? It's nothing that we haven't read four other times this week.

Slashdotted? (1)

fredrikj (629833) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881172)

Get Slashdotted? Aftenposten is a newspaper, not some arbitary site run off someone's DSL line. Tell you what, it most likely has more readers than Slashdot does.

Subtle Sounds of Desperation (5, Insightful)

4of12 (97621) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881176)


I mean, if the prosecution has been fiddling and adjusting the charges this much it pretty much says either that

  1. they don't feel they have precisely focussed their case,
  2. they didn't understand the technology and are constantly learning more about it
but in either event, their competence is called into question at the very least, or else the motivation for bringing up the charges was not done under the same rigorous way that Norwegian citizens could hope to expect.

I hope the jury gets the same sense of shoddiness in the prosecutions case that I'm getting.

They are extending the charges (1)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881270)

wanting to include charges that Johansen also cracked code that revealed a repository of protection keys

So, they are extending the charges, not just changing them. Probably because something surfaced during the trial.

--
Do you know where you're drumming from?

Uhh...Umm...Ano... (2, Interesting)

CrazyDuke (529195) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881020)

You can change the charges in mid trial? Smells like BS. I can't quite place why. But it smells fowl.

Re:Uhh...Umm...Ano... (5, Interesting)

chas.capwell (541893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881100)

You can change the charges in mid trial? Smells like BS. I can't quite place why. But it smells fowl.

Um, maybe because the trial isn't held in the U.S.? Just because something can't be done in the U.S. legal system doesn't mean it can't be done in another country.

While I find the idea of being able to change charges in mid-stream a little. . .slimy, it's their court of law. What I do find chilling is that it seems the burden of proving that the change shouldn't be done is on the defense, rather than having the prosecution provide the burden of proof that the change should be done. Any /.ers for Norway care to comment?

Re:Uhh...Umm...Ano... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881546)

I'm, in Norway, and for that reason I'm posting anonymously, I don't want those moronic idiots coming after me if they don't loose.

Anyway, you can change details in the indictment, but only details to make it more precise. The defence can protest, in case you would have to start the whole trial all over. First, the defence objected strongly, but then, they probably just went "WTF, whatever, either the judges have allready got the clue, that the prosecutor is a dirty, rotten corrumpted maniac, which she has made abundantly clear during this trial, in which case it doesn't matter, or they haven't grasped it yet, and then there's the appeal, so lets just get it over with."

Re:Uhh...Umm...Ano... (2)

blancolioni (147353) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881721)

You can change the charges in mid trial? Smells like BS. I can't quite place why. But it smells fowl.

I think the prosecution lawyer is just chicken!

But let's wait and see how well Jon ducks these new charges.

Re:Uhh...Umm...Ano... (1)

SoSueMe (263478) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882044)

But it smells fowl.
I'm not being picky about your choice of words, it's just the picture this conjured up.
A large mess of unprocessed poultry. Now that's foul fowl!

his lawyer withdrew his objection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881041)

apparently in the interest of moving things along quickly, his lawyer withdrew his protest of the indictment changes.

Being a total git when it comes to things like this, I would interpret that as his lawyer having confidence that he's pretty well got things wrapped up and that our boy Jon is off the hook?

What's up with the defense? (3, Insightful)

szquirrel (140575) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881045)

From the article:

Throughout the proceeding [defense counsel] Manshaus has been extremely brief, trying to get the prosecution to concentrate on what he feels are the actual charges and presenting his counter-arguments far more quickly.

What, has he got a hot date? What's the rush here? I hope in his haste he's not missing anything that could exonerate his client.

I guess lawyers in Norway aren't paid by the hour.

Re:What's up with the defense? (5, Insightful)

Guppie (28783) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881114)

Actually, he was trying to cut down on the Signal/Noise factor in the courtroom. The prosecutor grilled Johansen for hours about "The hacker OS" Linux, what IRC chats he had with the group cracking deCSS, if he had pirated software at home, and so on and so on -not at all realated to the charge.

Manshaus was short and to the point, trying to convey that the court is about one simple thing: Is descrambling your DVD a computer break-in or not? All the hacker-hype from the prosecutor is only there to confuse the judges, by his reasoning.

Re:What's up with the defense? (3, Interesting)

RickHunter (103108) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881434)

Yes, of course all the hacker-hype is there to confuse the judges. If the persecutor manages to convince the judge(s) that, if they let Jon go, they'll be all over the newspapers as soft on hackers and terrorists, they're not going to let Jon go even if they think he's innocent. It worked with Kaplan and 2600. Hopefully, judges in Norway will be a bit smarter.

Please just wait until something new is written (2, Funny)

skydude_20 (307538) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881048)

Thursday December 12, @03:57PM
http://www.vg.no/spesial/bakgrunn/?id=698
Friday December 13, @08:53AM
http://www.vg.no/spesial/bakgrunn/?id=698

So yeah, written up differently, but I think still a repeat if you use the same links for different slashdot stories, that both made the front page!

Thank goodness I give my money to the local zoo instead of a slashdot subscription, cuz the zoo monkeys do a better job with my money.

Re:Please just wait until something new is written (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4882577)

FYI: That is the link to the page with all JJ-stories in English.

How it happened .. (almost) (5, Informative)

AftanGustur (7715) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881110)


Here [harvard.edu] is a short event log of how things happened.

What the Norvegian prosecutor is doing is claiming that Jon broke the protection on the DVD keyblock. He didn't.
In fact it was a real professional cryptographer Frank Stevenson [cmu.edu] that demonstrated how to (a) defeat CSS without a key and (b) how to recover all the keys from the keyblock.

And yet the brave Norvegian prosecutor is going after a kid ... His ancestors must be turning wildly in their graves ..

Re:How it happened .. (almost) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881400)

Actually, Frank Stevenson was the defence main witness. First, the defence withdrew the witness, because the prosecutor had drifted so far off topic it wasn't much use anymore, but the prosecutor decided she wanted to hear him out. Bad mistake on the prosecutor side.... He pretty much killed their case.

That's why they have to be playing Calvin Ball in court.

Re:How it happened .. (almost) (3, Informative)

Ch_Omega (532549) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881446)

"....And yet the brave Norvegian prosecutor is going after a kid ... His ancestors must be turning wildly in their graves .."

... uhm, Inger Marie Sunde is a she.

Re:How it happened .. (almost) (3, Informative)

Avakado (520285) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881760)

What the Norvegian prosecutor is doing is claiming that Jon broke the protection on the DVD keyblock. He didn't.

No it's not (I've attended all of the trial, I should know.) The prosecutor is trying to claim that Jon distributed the source and the binary code the for the program that enabled him and others to unritghtfully gain access to the _disc_keys_ and the movie data. Frank Stevenson demonstrated how to find the disc keys without a player key.

Re:How it happened .. (almost) [Addendum] (5, Insightful)

AntiFreeze (31247) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881787)

There's a nice synopsis about Jon's lies and the "truth" behind DeCSS here [debian.org] . Not what you're talking about, but a very nice corollary.

Re:How it happened .. (almost) [Addendum] (3, Interesting)

KjetilK (186133) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881954)

Actually, the prosecutor's case rests more or less solely on this post. Jon has posted a very interesting message to the mailing list of Electronic Frontier Norway (at my request) that quite clearly shows this is badly out of context.

Re:How it happened .. (almost) [Addendum] (3, Interesting)

css-truth (633997) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882054)

A different viewpoint [harvard.edu]


I read through a lot of the list and several things struck me. Overall,
I see the list as lending a lot of credibility to Johansen's case. I
don't see it casting doubt as to this.

Overall, I think the livid-dev mailing list shows Johansen was trying
to contribute to Linux (and FreeBSD) and shared code with Derek Fawcus
as a liason to bring this about. He clearly believed _before_ he was
arrested that his actions were consistent with the DMCA and measured
them carefully.

What did he do again? (5, Funny)

surprise_audit (575743) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881127)

Can someone give me a quick rundown of what happened here?

The way I remember it, Jon was arrested in Norway because the MPAA told the Norwegians he was being a bad boy. Was that a DMCA thing or before that? If it's a DMCA thing, why the fuck is he being tried in Norway, with Norwegian attornies and Judge, for breaking a US law outside the borders of the US?

Jon didn't even give anyone the finger by showing up in the US to deliver a talk about DeCSS, unlike Skylarov and his piece of code.

If the Norwegians caved in because the MPAA threatened them, here's how the conversation should have gone:

MPAA: we want you to prosecute Jon for breaking CSS.
Norway: Fuck off!
MPAA: we'll embargo DVD shipments to Norway!
Norway: Fuck off! We've got diplomats and tourist all over the world that can ship us DVDs.
MPAA:But they won't work in your region coded players!
Norway: Fuck off! We've got Jon-boy and DeCSS...

Re:What did he do again? (2)

jaredcoleman (616268) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881438)

Except, that Norway is a member [wipo.org] of WIPO [wipo.int] which says that its members must respect the copyright laws of other nations.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881193)

Jon Johansen sues YOU!!!

Johansen (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881213)

whenever I see this topic, I think of Jake Johansen [jakethis.com]

Re: Jake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881398)

whenever I see this topic, I think of Jake Steed [excaliburfilms.com]

The *real* reason why CSS broke! (5, Insightful)

AftanGustur (7715) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881227)


From:
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/FrankStevenson/ analysis.html [cmu.edu]

CSS was designed with a 40 bit keylength to comply with US government export regulation, and as such it easily compromised through brute force attacks ( such are the intentions of export control ).
Moreover the 40 bits have not been put to good use, as the ciphers succumb to attacks with much lower computational work than which is permitted in the export control rules.
Whether CSS is a serious cryptographic cipher is debatable. It has been clearly been demonstrated that its strength does not match the keylength. If the cipher was intended to get security by remaining secret, this is yet another testament to the fact that security through obscurity is an unworkable principle.

Re:The *real* reason why CSS broke! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881246)

I thought it was due to NS4/IE4's crappy CSS support.

Re:The *real* reason why CSS broke! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881281)

The keys are in every single player. Trusted client problem.

Re:The *real* reason why CSS broke! (2, Interesting)

hbmartin (579860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881509)

Yes, you are correct. A friend of mine who worked for Intel on CSS said the encryption is so weak they had to hide the algorithm itself from decompilers and such.

He deserves it! (-1, Offtopic)

baywulf (214371) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881236)

For spreading all those false rumors about spiderman over the years.

CSS vs. CSS (5, Interesting)

k-hell (458178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881500)

In danger of maybe repeating earlier posts, I thought I'd add a link to Håkon Wium Lie's (CTO in Opera Software and the guy behind Cascading Style Sheets) view [opera.com] on the current DVD trial case. He sees clear analogies between the movie business' wish to decide how the content of a DVD should be played, and the wishes of Microsoft and the likes who among other things want to use proprietary and possibly encrypted formats on the Web.

contains 'profit!' joke, +5 hilarious! (0, Offtopic)

magister707 (445089) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881517)

Step 1: In Soviet Russia, Natalie Portman petrifies YOU.
Step 2: Imagine a Beowulf cluster of hot grits down my pants.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!

MOD PARENT UP!!! HILARIOUS!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881544)

no not really. I'm just bored today. Maybe if he used an "all your base" reference.

Hehe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881547)

You know there is only one number 1 stud here in Halmstad and thats me. Fred and Lex are like two stooges compared to me. And frankly i doubt that those guys could handle a woman like yourself, it takes a Mike.. a Big Mike. So I suggest you get off polishing them pretty nails and make the following list.

Stud 1: Big Mike (note to self: He's so handsome. What was I thinking?)
Stud 2 & 3: who cares, let them bitches fight it out.

Don't need deCSS to pirate DVDs? (5, Informative)

dmoen (88623) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881757)

This is really a technical question.

The article says: The trial this week has been dominated by the prosecution's painstaking attempts to argue that Johansen deliberately contributed to the removal of copy protection of DVD films leading to their free distribution on the Internet.

But as far as I know, you don't need to decrypt a DVD in order to pirate it. You can just copy the encrypted data, optionally post it on the internet for your friends to copy, then burn the encrypted data onto a blank DVD. Isn't that right?

If that's true, then the prosecution case is considerably weakened. You only need deCSS if you want to convert the video to another, more convenient format.

Doug Moen

Re:Don't need deCSS to pirate DVDs? (3, Insightful)

nagora (177841) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881821)

Isn't that right?

Yes, in fact DeCSS is a crap way to pirate DVD's.

If that's true, then the prosecution case is considerably weakened.

You have confused "law" and "justice"; there is no connection between the two.

TWW

Re:Don't need deCSS to pirate DVDs? (3, Interesting)

bmwm3nut (556681) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882090)

this is assuming that you can get hold of the encrypted data. i'm no expert in this field, but you'll need a dvd drive that can read the raw data...i don't think that's easy to come by. but i could be way wrong on this

Re:Don't need deCSS to pirate DVDs? (4, Informative)

Zone-MR (631588) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882183)

As far as I know it isnt that easy. CSS is actually cleverer than you think.

From what I understand, CSS makes use of codes embedded in a factory-written part of the DVD media. Standard DVD burner and media combinations do not support this marking of a disk as CSS-scrambled. Of course making a perfect replica of a DVD would mean that decrypting it isnt neccessary, but standard DVD-writers just don't support this.

If you want to create your own encrypted DVDs, you can buy special [more expensive] 'Authoring' media, (as opposed to the 'General Purpose' DVD-R media which is the consumer standard). AFAIK though, the data written to the disk must be encrypted with keys matching those embedded on the fabricated part of the disk.

Anticapitalist laws (4, Insightful)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 11 years ago | (#4882486)

The thing that has struck me as absurd about the whole DRM mess, and its DVD-specific issues, is that the proponents of such laws, who undoubtedly think of themselves as capitalists, are acting in a markedly anticapitalist fashion. The end result in this case is a young man being tried for breaking through an informal anticompetitive arrangement between the MPAA on one hand and Microsoft and Apple on the other.

The same is true of region coding: it is a method of creating artificial scarcity, i.e. of anticompetitive market manipulation.

And this, in the end, is what most of the wrangling decried on Slashdot is about -- companies that were formerly highly competitive using their success to suppress competition that might lead to their downfall. Unfortunately, so accustomed are "capitalists" to admiring gigantic corporations that they can, without blinking, swallow the notion that anticompetitive behavior is a form of competition. It is indeed, but only in a political sense, not a market sense, and market competition is what capitalism is about.
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