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Mandrake News

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the putting-along dept.

Mandriva 274

DCowern writes "Mandrake yesterday released their FY2001-2002 earnings and I'm glad to say it's looking real good for them. They've cut operating costs by 42% and increased revenues by 31%. They're still not quite in the black yet but they're expecting to break even month-to-month beginning in February. The full report is here. In other news, Mandrake announced two new programs yesterday. The first is Multi Network Firewall, which looks like an extremely nice package for running small to medium-sized networks. The second program, and my favorite, is their "OS refugee" offer."

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kernel.org is down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885795)

and I need to get the latest 2.4, because the latest one in particular has a plip.o that actually works. Where's a mirror ?

I AM A FUCKING HOMOSEXUAL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885822)

I figured a forum full of GNU/ButtPirates would be the best place to come out of the closet and admit that I like to have sexual intercourse with other men.

My name is Rick Austenson, and I am a Homosexual! ...
Hi, Rick

Re:kernel.org is down (-1, Troll)

Crapface (634196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885827)

Try here [tupperware.com] (believe it or not).

Re:kernel.org is down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885868)

Wow! Thanks!

GOAT LINK WARNING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885898)

That one suprised me...

Re:GOAT LINK WARNING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885920)

Really? Having "Love my goat" in the url didn't tip you off? Dumbass.

Re:GOAT LINK WARNING (0)

Crapface (634196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885936)

That one suprised me...

;-)

Re:kernel.org is down (0, Troll)

geek of nixhelp (525495) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885994)

i am going to film myself shooting you in the face with a shotgun. haha!

Re:kernel.org is down (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885844)

Thanks fags, I already found it on ibiblio.org. I'll refrain from commenting on why a piece of software based on a 20 year old architecture can't keep the ancient interface of plip from breaking every other release.

Re:kernel.org is down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885848)

Maybe the problem isn't with the code, but the fact that you're still using PLIP.

Re:kernel.org is down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885966)

I'd have no problem with that attitude, except to do it right you have to REMOVE PLIP FROM THE KERNEL. As long as Linus leaves that plip.c in there, people like me are going to presume that it FUCKING WORKS GODDAMN IT. Leaving it there not working is just a trap to waste people's time, not to mention simply taking up space and bandwidth everytime another idiot downloads it.

I'm not hopeful about 2.4.20 either since I just found a changelog message on groups.google.com (from the kernel mailing list group) from Alan Cox with the cryptic line "plip.c: fixed plip." Thanks Alan. What was broken ? Will it totally not work unless I get your patch ? Should I just give up and go back to DRDOS and laplink ?

YUO ARE TEH GAY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4886012)

now please give me some buttsex.

because i like it.

yours truly,

jesus h. christ
superstar with cheese (no pickles)

Question. (3, Interesting)

yobbo (324595) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885798)

How much revenue did Mandrake Charity contribute?

Re:Question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885838)

This is directly related to Mandrake's business model, which is the TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION.

Off topic, suuuure.

Maybe the moderation options should include "ooh, I agree with this guy" ...

Re:Question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885869)

Just to clarify, this post was originally posted when there was an "off topic" moderation - this now no longer is the case, which means that the dumb fuckwit who moderated it accordingly is someone who posted to this thread within the first 18 posts.

Re:Question. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885887)

I don't know what kind of drugs you're on. I don't see that moderation. Why don't you quit complaining about such stupid things and get a life.

Re:Question. (3, Insightful)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885858)

Ask not what MandrakeClub can do for you, but what you can do for MandrakeClub.

But seriously, what good is Microsoft's computer aid to children who don't have food, clean drinking water, and an education. Someone enlighten me on this...

Re:Question. (3, Informative)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885977)

The first rule of MandrakeClub is - you do not talk about MandrakeClub.

The second rule of MandrakeClub is - you DO NOT talk about MandrakeClub.

Your MS comment is a straw man and certainly overgeneralized. If they didn't give at you'll you'd bitch about that. A quick search turned up this [microsoft.com] and more generally this [microsoft.com]

And in case you miss it, here is a more direct link to their Annual Report of Giving [microsoft.com] .

MY D1CK 1S PURPLE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4886024)





and my sh1t 1s br0wn,
put 1t in yur m0uth
and m1x 1t all ar0und!


They're in the black but the color for the thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885799)

IS GREEN!!! Maybe this is appropriate? :)

Record breaking bandwidth.. (5, Funny)

PFAK (524350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885802)

bankrupts MandrakeSoft after slashdot, a OSDN news site posts a link to MandrakeSoft causing excessive bandwidth usage and financial loss.

Good For Them (5, Insightful)

dirkdidit (550955) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885804)

Mandrake is one of the best Linux distro's for new users and I feel it's a vital part in getting more people turned onto Linux. I was worried for a while that Mandrake might not exist a few years down the road but hopefully this turn toward profitability will continue. And remember, if you use Mandrake, it doesn't hurt to donate some money to them. It is, afterall, the season of giving. :-)

Re:Good For Them (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885821)

Oh cool, you said something nice about Mandrake, here's an "insightful" .

Re:Good For Them (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885835)

Go flame it out your ass, shit faced mother fucker.

Re:Good For Them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4886039)

Seems clear that the truth hurts.

Re:Good For Them (4, Insightful)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885837)

And remember, if you use Mandrake, it doesn't hurt to donate some money to them.

I'm sorry, but if I've paid for their PowerPack in a store (which, by the way, it decently priced as far as distros go, AND it includes StarOffice 6.0), I don't feel guilty by not donating or joining MandrakeClub. For some reason, after leaving the "other" operating system behind, I don't feel it necessary to pay twice for an operating system.

Re:Good For Them (2)

dirkdidit (550955) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885847)

You have a good point. I should have said that if you downloaded the distro and not bought the PowerPack, it wouldn't hurt to join MandrakeClub and donate a few dollars.

Re:Good For Them (5, Informative)

Malor (3658) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885877)

If you buy the CD from anyone but Mandrake directly, they only get about half of the money. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, because if distributors and retailers are making money from Linux, it'll get more shelf space. But I don't really think Linux NEEDS to be on the shelf all that much yet... it's getting to be a pretty okay desktop, but it's not ready for Mom to install on her own. It's Mom-ready after it has been installed, but the geeks who know how to install it also know how to find it online. :-)

Seems to me that the basic membership ($5/mo) is a nice way to give them a steady revenue stream, which is important for software businesses.

I downloaded the OS, so so I felt a bit obligated to subscribe. I got StarOffice 6.0 as well, because I subscribed at the silver level. ($10/mo or $115/year.) As long as I keep getting bennies that are worth it, I'll keep resubscribing at that level, but I will renew at least a basic membership for as long as I keep using the distro.

It just seems like the right thing to do.

Re:Good For Them (2, Insightful)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885947)

Seems to me that the basic membership ($5/mo) is a nice way to give them a steady revenue stream, which is important for software businesses.

A membership of this sort would be great if they were a non-profit company. While I agree that they do good work, it is their job to become profitable. It's not my job to support their work or pay twice for an OS or product I've already paid for.

If you buy the CD from anyone but Mandrake directly, they only get about half of the money.

Note to all: This is why you should buy directly from Mandrake.

Re:Good For Them (5, Interesting)

electromaggot (597134) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885849)

Even for experienced users, I think Mandrake is a great distro. If it's easy to install, why does that make it strictly "for newbies"? I'm a developer, not a network admin, and personally I'd rather spend my time progging than editing .conf files and troubleshooting my network (my past Debian installs come to mind as I say that).

I just installed Mandrake's MNF on a system yesterday and it was cake to set up! Especially after I almost threw my P200 box out the window because the Red Hat 8.0 (Server) Install kept crashing on it (and RH 7.2 didn't seem to be stable either). This Mandrake MNF seems to be rock solid.

Mandrake is great. I'm gonna start sending them money. I hope they make it.

Re:Good For Them (3, Insightful)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885894)

Um, Mandrake isn't a "not for profit" company. Why don't you donate some money to Ford, GE, or Microsoft while you're at it... That's the dumbest thing I've seen all day (although it is 2am)

Re:Good For Them (3, Insightful)

Sneftel (15416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885900)

If Ford were developing a really cool car that I wanted, and might not be able to stay afloat financially without outside help, yeah, I might donate.

Re:Good For Them (1)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885914)

No you wouldn't. You might buy the car if you liked it... But would you write Ford a check because you thought they were coming out with a neat car? Let's be realistic here.

Re:Good For Them (5, Insightful)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885910)

You should donate to them because all the code they generate is open source. Actually there isn't one piece of software in their Download Edition of 9.0 that isn't opensource and free. They're strong believers where other distros are tending to hide their contributions.

Also, they let you leech all their ISO's free of charge. Try doing that with Xandros, Lindows, or any of the other 'new and improved desktop distros'. All they ask is that you have a heart and give them a few bucks so their developers can eat and they can pay for their bandwidth.

Re:Good For Them (2, Insightful)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885945)

You seem to forget that they are a BUSINESS. Donate to debian, purchase services from Mandrake.

I'm actually a member of a mandrake club... Oh the irony.

Re:Good For Them (3, Interesting)

Martigan80 (305400) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885924)

getting more people turned onto Linux

Why should this be the main focus? I mean trying to make it user friendly-fine that's a great idea to appeal to the non-Linux user, but I don't think a lot of effort should be focused on actively trying to get users converted. Because the one thing that will start happening, and we have seen RedHat do it, is that they will start catering to these users, ex-windows users who are used to getting things their way by complaining about this or that. Users who have been using Linux for two years but still can't use lp in the CLI. This is not meant as a lash out or an insult, just a question of motive. If you bring too many of these half users on board you will ask for allot more than you have ever bargained for, and will start making a distro to make it easier for them, and focus less on the real applications.

Re:Good For Them (2, Insightful)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885960)

I mean trying to make it user friendly-fine that's a great idea to appeal to the non-Linux user, but I don't think a lot of effort should be focused on actively trying to get users converted.

I agree. People should use Linux because they like Linux, not because Linux can be made to look like Windows.

[rant] I tried to set up a Red Hat box for someone. Big mistake. Not only did they not understand what was going on, but with all of the GUI cruft on top, any time they tried to tweak something, they ended up overwriting my customizations. Now, I'm not against GUI tools, but when a GUI tool is too stupid to keep settings that are hand entered, then it's not the right way to do something. Or, at least, it should ask confirmation. I ended up setting up a Debian box, and I ssh into it to maintain it for them if something goes wrong.[/rant]

"os refugee" offer (-1, Troll)

dzym (544085) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885807)

Baloney.

Hogwash.

Idiocy.

I mean, what exactly are they trying to say here:

You had to pay $100 extra for your computer because it had Windows preinstalled, so now you have the opportunity to pay $15 more for a product that by all rights ought to be free to replace what you already bought and paid for?

Give me a friggin' break.

Re:"os refugee" offer (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885879)

I mean, what exactly are you trying to say here:

Give me your product for free, since I'm too lazy or stupid to return another company's product that I decided to buy.

You may have chosen to pay for Windows, but that doesn't pay the bills at Mandrake. They're hardly obligated to replace things you buy from other companies. May as well go to Circuit City and say "I don't care to take this broken TV back to where I bought it, so give me a new one for free. After all, I did pay for the other one."

Re:"os refugee" offer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885940)

Well, Mandrake doesn't have to pay you back, but you know they're also not giving you anything in their "offer," either. You get to buy a $12 cdr which has software which you could download for free and burn for about $0.10 worth of media (legally). You've "won" a chance to pay someone else money for being such a sucker to Microsoft. Congrats!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885808)

the system operates you

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0, Offtopic)

Gabrill (556503) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885825)

Is there a point to these Soviet Russia comments, or is someone performing a denial of good taste attack on Slashdot?

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885850)

a denial of good taste attack on Slashdot?


OK? let me see now. a denial of good taste attack on Slashdot would mean an attack consisting of denying good taste exists on Slashdot? Or denying good taste on Slashdot by flooding the lists with one anonymous comment? Yes that would be it a one comment attack blown out of proportion to be likened to a DOS attack. whew! Thinking out that tricky stuff takes it all out of me.

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885909)

What I find weird is that the Soviet Russia comments almost inevitably get modded down, while the far, far more overplayed underpants gnomes/numbered buisness plan, beowolf cluster, and the absolute worst of them all, the priceless jokes still get modded up on a regular basis.

It reminds me of one Yakov comment in reply to a troll moderation of another, "In SOVIET RUSSIA, moderators tell YOU what is funny!".

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885964)

In Soviet Russia, Soviet Russia posts get modded up.

Wow.. (3, Interesting)

ryochiji (453715) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885809)

>They've cut operating costs by 42% and increased revenues by 31%

That's impressive. Except...they're still not profitable? Wow. They must've been screwing up big time before.

It's still nice to hear some good news for once I guess.

Re:Wow.. (3, Informative)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885929)

Their previous CEO and his cronies wanted to take Mandrake in a radically different direction. They tried making inroads into educational software and POP software, kiosk stuff, etc. Just some really creative but ultimately terrible decisions.

Ask Enron or anyone else victimized by retarded management how hard it is to make a comeback. Without it's userbase standing by, I'm sure Mandrake would've gone tits up this summer.

Nothing like Enron (5, Insightful)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885979)

Ask Enron or anyone else victimized by retarded management how hard it is to make a comeback.

Don't you mean "Ask the shareholders of Enron how victimized they felt when a company they relied on betrayed them"? I'm sorry, I feel bad for the workers and shareholders of Enron, but this is nothing like Enron. First, Enron managment wasn't retarded: they knew full well what they were doing, and did it anyway. Second, Enron had some help at the federal level to get away with some of its corporate misdeeds. Finally, Enron's employees and customers had no idea what was going on.

Contrast that with Mandrake. The managemnt that you call "retarded" had a different direction for the company that didn't work out. They didn't try to steal from the company, screw the shareholders, or cover their own ass. Secondly, Mandrake has always been supported by its users, be it donations or purchases of its boxed set. Finally, the user base of Mandrake saw where it was going and let the company know that wasn't the way they wanted it to go.

Sorry, somehow I don't see how this was ANYTHING like Enron.

Re:Nothing like Enron (4, Interesting)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 11 years ago | (#4886042)

Yeah Enron was the first company killed by management that sprung to mind, and I admit it was a terrible example.

IIRC, the Mandrake users weren't the ones complaining loudly to the new management at the helm there, it was the developers and founders that were pretty concerned about their eroding bottom line. Remember, every CEO has a board that has the right to hire and fire him based on performance or something as petty as his choice of ties.

At any rate, when a company (the workers plus the investors, remember when they went public) isn't doing well, the shareholders and the board get nervous. The board usually tries to fix problems from the top down and make the shareholders a little happier.

I'm still confused as to why they just got a new CEO. Maybe he brings some kind of financial wizardry or business ties to the table..because I read an article today saying how he's 'enjoying learning about Open Source software'. Like he's never heard of it before.

Oh well..at any rate, I'm glad Mandrake is getting healthier. It always has been my favorite distro over the last 3 or 4 years, and it seems to be growing with me.

OS Refugees.... (5, Funny)

tgrotvedt (542393) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885814)

After my brief stint recently with a friend's laptop running Win ME (no memory management just like 98), I think I'd prefer the term "asylum seeker".

OS Refugee Offer (3, Insightful)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885816)

Reading the OS Refugee Offer, I think it's a great idea. Personally, if they had an idea like that when I was shopping around for distros (metaphorically speaking) I would have gone for that offer in a heartbeat. Now only of Red Hat and SuSE (especially SuSE) did this, we might have some competition with Windows for PHBs. (Of course, the undisputed king of distros shall be unnamed at this time to avoid starting a flamewar. It suffices to say that it is free and always will be.)

Re:OS Refugee Offer (2, Funny)

mrscorpio (265337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885866)

Gentoo, right? ;)

Chris

Re:OS Refugee Offer (2, Informative)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885915)

Well, if Gentoo starts with a D, then yes. Otherwise, it's that "other" free distro that gave Gentoo some of its direction and its social contract. :-)

Re:OS Refugee Offer (2)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885938)

Did it also get it's ease of installation and configuration from that D distro? LOL

Re:OS Refugee Offer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885965)

Oh man, here we go!

Chris

Re:OS Refugee Offer (1)

wass (72082) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885988)

Of course, the undisputed king of distros shall be unnamed at this time to avoid starting a flamewar. It suffices to say that it is free and always will be.

You mean Linux One [linuxone.com] ? :-)
[ducks for cover]

Cost (4, Funny)

Trusty Penfold (615679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885819)


Who would pay $30 for Linux when you can download Windows XP for free?

Re:Cost (2, Funny)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885933)

A better question might be "who would want to run XP for free when you could run linux for 30 bucks?" Not me, but flame away.

Wait, what am I talking about, I run linux for free...

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

domninus.DDR (582538) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885986)

you pay LINUX 30 bucks to run YOU

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0, Offtopic)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885990)

Stupid comments shut themselves up.

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885992)

Hey everyone! I love the 'In Soviet Russia' series! Pure gold!

Re:Cost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885959)

Ummm, what... the... hell... are you talking about? You can download Linux for free in many forms!! What's more, legally!! And anyways, I think I'd pay $30 in order to ensure that I would never have to use a GUI with orange and green colors and uberpatronising menus and "tips", a good investment, i think.

EsR and RmS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885834)

Do you think chicks dig EsR and RmS?

Good News (5, Informative)

fozzy(pro) (267441) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885854)

I often find myself in Discussions wondering why Linux hasn't taken off due its good qualities. I often get referred to complexity of use, difficulty of installation, and Microsoft using its powers of Gigantism. These are all somewhat true. But, I always have felt that part of it was poor management in the major distribution companies. I am glad to see Linux cleaning up their offices and will be happy to see a switch occur. I am also glad to see Mandrake doing well as it is very easy to use and install making it a better choice for average users.

The other thing I would like to see happen with all the Linux companies is to organize a general lobbying group to challenge MS's marketing force. To challenge the public and government perceptions of the system. Alliances with PC Manufactures would come with demand. The final thing needed is solid development efforts by manufacturers to support hardware in Linux. I feel lack of driver support killed Be which had a really solid OS. BSD was hardly moving on the workstation market until OS X hit and many Apple folks switched voluntarily, and the others are being forced to now even though they don't like the change.

Regardless Best of Luck to Mandrake and the Linux market in General.

Re:Good News (2, Insightful)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885904)

The other thing I would like to see happen with all the Linux companies is to organize a general lobbying group to challenge MS's marketing force. To challenge the public and government perceptions of the system.

I think that this could be a Good Thing (TM). However, just showing the governement that something is technically superior is not enough. There are such things as legacy systems. A business evaluates (or should evaluate) a plan to change something in its computer infrastructure based on technical merits and capital needed to get its legacy systems to change. Somehow, I think getting a lot of their older systems working with Linux will be easier than getting them to work with Windows. However, what would the cost be for them to convert many of their Windows desktop machines to Linux desktop machines running Mandrake or Red Hat or any other distribution? I somehow think that it will be a little more expensive.

The final thing needed is solid development efforts by manufacturers to support hardware in Linux.

I think it will be a pretty cold day in hell before you see every piece of consumer hardware come with Linux drivers as well as Windows drivers. Why? Because (say it with me now) it's cheaper to develop, maintain, and support drivers on one operating system as opposed to developing, maintaining, and supporting them on many operating systems. For example, take HomePNA devices. For awhile, they were popular with Windows users when 802.11b was very expensive. There exists a binary only Linux driver, and it doesn't work correctly with the kernel when you compile the glue code with gcc-3.2. Why haven't they been updated? Nobody knows or cares enough about the internals of the devices to update the code, and the company that wrote them doesn't want to give out the specs for the devices.

I personally use Linux all of the time, but until there is a giant attitude change (or hell freezes over, or Microsoft licensing terms become more strict than now), I don't think I'll see this soon. I'm okay with that. I use Linux not because it's popular, but because I like and appreciate choice in operating systems.

Re:Good News (2)

s390 (33540) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885928)

The other thing I would like to see happen with all the Linux companies is to organize a general lobbying group to challenge MS's marketing force.

Well, there's the Open Source Software Institute [oss-institute.org] that lobbies for Open Source in government and academic organizations.

Some vendors are low-profile sponsors. I believe they also accept individual donations, which are tax-deductible because they're a non-profit.

Re:Good News (3, Interesting)

geek of nixhelp (525495) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885951)

As regular slashdoters (is that the correct term?) will know, more and more factions are adopting linux as opposed to windows, governments and councils are the best example we have, they are finding the cost is what drives them to it, but (assuming they have the same experience as me) it's the ease of use and sheer number of open source applications that keeps me using it. I would (and have done) pay for Linux, I own real copies of Mandrake 7.2 and Slack 8. these days the myth of hard to install, and hard to maintain is just that, a myth! my mandrake 9 install detected every bit of obscure hardware in one go, it even managed the GeForce 4, which I was suitably impressed with. I think the main problem is that people expect too much from it, as we sit here running our Linux servers and playing the occasional game, we forget about people who have Sony vaio laptops and want all the buttons to function properly :) it's the little things that make the difference, and since we all know that Linux can do everything windows does better, cheaper and faster, this is all it needs to drive I into the main stream. Good to see money being made here. lets just hope this drive forward doesn't cause open source software to go commercial, I don't know what I would do if nmap wasn't free :)

Re:Good News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4886043)

"regular slashdoters (is that the correct term?)"

More correct than you know, evidently.

Re:Good News (3, Interesting)

Malcontent (40834) | more than 11 years ago | (#4886003)

" I often find myself in Discussions wondering why Linux hasn't taken off due its good qualities"

Just exactly what do you mean by "hasn't taken off"? Linux userbase grows by leaps and bounds every year. It has gone from a hobby OS to a major player in the server market in three years. It will make similar advances in the desktop in the next three years.

Rome wasn't built in a day you know. If you are really impatient for world dominance then I am sure lots of programmers could use your help in writing documentation and testing for bugs. Roll up your sleeves world domination is but a few years away!

Slackware (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885855)

I still prefer Slackware for linux. I always recommend Slackware Linux to the newbies. Reason being, Mandrake is more difficult to use due to its XP like applets and configuration tools. I feel its a lot easier to RTFM and then edit the appropriate file(s).

Re:Slackware (0)

rebel_cdn (605308) | more than 11 years ago | (#4886049)

That's great, if you can RTFM and understand what it's trying to tell you. The problem is, some people don't understand how to edit configuration files. I think Mandrake ends up being easier for people who have never been exposed to anything other than a Windows GUI.

more RPN examples (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885857)

sqr( (5 + 2)*(2 + 4) ) / 5

is

5 Enter 3 + 2 Enter 4 + * Sqr 5 /

which is 12 keystrokes, compared to

sqr ( (5 + 2)(2 + 4))/5 =

which is 16.

Or a 4,5 and 6 ohm resistors in parallel

1/(1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6)=

16 keystrokes vs

4 # 5 # 6 # + + #

which is 9. # is the 1/x key

RPN wins again!

Re:more RPN examples (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885871)



sqr( (5 + 2)*(2 + 4) ) / 5 ...

5 Enter 3 + 2 Enter 4 + * Sqr 5 / ...

RPN wins again



No, it loses because it gives you the wrong answer. Foolish boy. ...

Re:more RPN examples (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885883)

oh, a typo. Sorry. That should read:

5 Enter 2 + 2 Enter 4 + * Sqr 5 /

Sorry if I confuesed anyone

Personally (1, Insightful)

sickboy_macosX (592550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885861)

I like Mandrake, it is nice to finally see a company compete with redhat in the Linux for sale department. Redhat has done a good job, but if you leave them sitting there to long, they might think they are another Microsoft. --

2 grand, wtf!!! (0)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885870)

gee they're not in the black? let me see, they release a product like MNF, and they put it up for download, and they have it listed for $1990 at mandrakestore.com. well no shit they're not profitable. 2 grand or free, let me see...

i have been a mandrake user since 7.0, as well as 7.2, 8.1, and 9.0 all of whcih i bought, and which i love. it is awesome. anyways, why can't a company create a value added product to gpl software. for instance, the mandrake wizards are awesome, if yo haven't tried them, they blow anything in windows away, like network card setup, video res., and even printers. for instance, at my school, we have a bunch of HP laser jets, and they all run jet direct. just had printerdrake auto find all the TCP printers, found them, auto configured them, yada yada. now, that is awesome shit. and they give it away. and they're still not profitable, no shit.

Re:2 grand, wtf!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885927)

Call me a newbie, but...

I've tried two Linux installations today, Mandrake 9.0 and Redhat 8.0. So far so good, for both distros. Then I tried to install Netscape 7.0, which seamlessly installed. The problem is that no shortcuts were created after the installation. In Mandrake, the default browser is still KDE, and in Redhat, it's Mozilla. I also tried to install StarOfice, which happily installed, but I couldn't, for the life of me, determine how to launch the wonderful suite.

I've been working with computers since high school, but I've never been dumbfounded as much as these two distros did to me. I've installed a program, now I can't find it. Don't even have a clue on what to type in the console to launch it.

This is constructive criticism and all, but Linux still has a loooong way to go....

I have tried a (0)

Kurt Russell (627436) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885873)

few linux distros in my day and Mandrex is one of the better ones.
Its got some goodies such as urpmi etc..
If I was to spend some cash on Linux for the desktop I would go with Mandrex.

IN CAPITALIST AMERICA (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885882)

THE OS FORCES YOU TO UPGRADE.

Why I will continue to support Mandrake (4, Informative)

salvius (631820) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885884)

MAndrake is still the OS I use, and this will continue to be so. It is the first distribution that made me convert from Windows. When I saw it, I couldn't believe the EASE of installation and the user-friendliness of the whole package. Regardless of the fact that even distros like Red Hat are getting easier to use, this is still the *only* distro which I can give to my non-convert friends. I have done this for a few people now while advising them which computer to buy, and ALL of them never needed help. Mandrake is just what the doctor ordered to show that Linux CAN be user friendly. It is one of the distros that definetely deserves all the support it can get!

Merkac Dot - Google Links, Slashdot Summary (-1, Redundant)

merkac (553485) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885889)

Merkac Dot - The Slashdot Summariser [apocryphillia.com]
In the footsteps of alterslash [alterslash.org] comes another slashdot summariser - Hoping to ease your slashdot browsing.
This is the story with all links pointing to the google cached versions. See Merkac Dot [apocryphillia.com] for the full summary

Mandrake News Linux Mandrake [G] [google.com] | Posted by michael on Saturday December 14, @01:47AM
from the putting-along dept.
DCowern writes "Mandrake yesterday released their FY2001-2002 earnings and I'm glad to say it's looking real good for them. They've cut operating costs by 42% and increased revenues by 31%. They're still not quite in the black yet but they're expecting to break even month-to-month beginning in February. The full report is here [G] [google.com] . In other news, Mandrake announced two new programs yesterday. The first is Multi Network Firewall [G] [google.com] , which looks like an extremely nice package for running small to medium-sized networks. The second program, and my favorite, is their "OS refugee [G] [google.com] " offer."

Thankfully not mature (4, Funny)

A non moose cow (610391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885893)

Pulled my Mandrake from my shelf and it started wailing such a shrill scream that I almost passed out. The mature distro surely would have killed me.

</potter>

Given up on Mandrake (5, Interesting)

phutureboy (70690) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885899)

I used to be a big Mandrake fan-boy, but no longer. All I want is system configuration tools that work, and have a decent, consistent user interface. Is that too much to ask for?

I tried to add a second IP address to my machine the other day using the GUI admin tools provided in Mandrake 9, and it was a total mess. I ended up just editing the files in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts, which is what I should have done in the first place. Desktop users shouldn't have to deal with that, though.

I'm gonna give Xandros a spin next. Seems like a pretty well integrated desktop distro they have.

Re:Given up on Mandrake (3, Funny)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885948)

Me too, their 8.x series was embarrassing. To quote someone off of IRC:

MDK's QA Process:

Guy #1: "Is this the latest version of the software? I mean the very latest?"

Guy #2: "Yeah, except this one package, it had some bug I think, so we just created the package from CVS and we think it might be fixed there."

Guy #1: "Ok, burn the gold CD!"

Refugee Offer (2)

krmt (91422) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885923)

So do I qualify for the OS refugee offer if I print out a copy of the GPL and the first page of my install manual [debian.org] ? I might want to give out a CD set to someone, and that's a cheap way of doing it where I don't have to sit around waiting for ISO downloads. And since I'd rather support Mandrake directly than a random CD seller (nothing wrong with them, I'd just rather go to the actual source of some good work) it'd be much preferred if I only had to pay $13 or so.

Just like my 401k (2, Funny)

missing000 (602285) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885926)

looks better on paper, still looses 6% this year

I've given my $$ - have you? (2, Interesting)

reynolds_john (242657) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885937)

...sounds like a scene out of Starship Troopers...

but seriously, I've been very impressed with this aspect of the distro; it's company and their fight to become profitable, while at the same time sticking to their original philosophy. I've been skeptical in the past, but they've been innovative in finding ways to get people to participate, while still keeping the distro free for those who don't wish to pay/donate.

The rewards for joining have so far been worth it, and I'm glad to have given my $$ over the years.

They've had some problems... (4, Informative)

proxima (165692) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885941)

Because my g/f enjoys using Mandrake on her laptop, we decided to buy the 9.0 standard edition for the following reasons:

1.) At the time our internet connection was having issues and 3 isos were not easy to quickly get

2.) We wanted to support Mandrake since they've created an excellent desktop distribution.

We got our copy just fine in mid-November, but then about three weeks later we got another copy. I e-mailed them and they said it was a mistake but in the end we cost Mandrake more money than I would've liked. Both packages were sent to a U.S. from Europe - not cheap. One would think they'd have a warehouse here, but maybe it's for tax purposes. They mentioned in their e-mail that they've had some shipping problems, so I'm probably not the only one.

I'm not sure how we'll support Mandrake in the future...for her, I think a small subscription fee for a dedicated update server would work well. She'd be getting value-added software (because it's faster to download), and Mandrake would get money that was a bandwidth + server cost, not shipping + packaging.

At the end of the day, I am a happy Debian user.

Re:They've had some problems... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885974)

Check out Mandrake Club [mandrakeclub.com]

It's not precisely a dedicated update server, but it does offer packages that aren't on the install CD's plus a few other goodies.

IN LIBERAL AUSTRALIA (3, Informative)

nihilogos (87025) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885958)

we lock our OS refugees up in camps for years on end. And they're not refugees, they're "illegal immigrants".

Re:IN LIBERAL AUSTRALIA (1, Troll)

yobbo (324595) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885996)

You are correct, they are not refugees, they are in fact illegal immigrants.

Re:IN LIBERAL AUSTRALIA (3, Funny)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 11 years ago | (#4886029)

STFU you damned racist. Attitudes like that get us bombed.

Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885962)

Soon as I saw the story on the front page I knew what awaited inside. Hundreds of posts from zitty geeks trying to be punker-than-thou by coming up with ever-more-obscure namedropping to make up for their lack of real style (or to pretend that they are actually old enough to have been involved). Drop the pretension kiddos. We all know that your Blink 182 CD is older than your copy of Bollocks.

I love how a whole new level of conformity has been created by the average bozo's efforts at individuality. It might almost work if your personal definition of individuality didn't depend so heavily on how you present yourself to others. I mean, what's the sense of being into bullshit like [insert pseudo-non-mainstream hobby here] if you can't talk about it to make yourself superior to your peers?

Kinda sounds like the Linux crowd, huh? "I'm so ALTERNATIVE by patching my kernel every day while you brainwashed Windows sheep meander in unenlightened tedium." Funny to think that if you had back all the time you spent tweaking and patching (for no good reason other than to say you have the latest version), you wouldn't know what to do with the workstation on your desk.

*sigh*

excuse the rant. caffiene has yet to be digested.

Re:Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4885999)

I love how a whole new level of conformity has been created by the average bozo's efforts at individuality. It might almost work if your personal definition of individuality didn't depend so heavily on how you present yourself to others. I mean, what's the sense of being into bullshit like [insert pseudo-non-mainstream hobby here] if you can't talk about it to make yourself superior to your peers?

And exactly WHY did you post as AC you chicken shit? At least I have a reason.

Re:Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4886009)

You assume I don't. When infact, I do. Now you look like an asshole. [goatse.cx]

I think Mandrake's problem... (5, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885975)

...is the same as a lot of linux distros. When linux was first getting usable and instalable (around the time of RH6.2 IMHO) there was a lot of talk about companies giving the OS away and then charging for support. Well there's at least two problems with this:

1. Users have been paying for software and getting free support so long that they can't seem to deal with the idea of paying for support.

2. I think Sun had this problem with staroffice. They couldn't give it away so they started charging for it. People look at RH and Mandrake's personal editions and see a complete OS with tons of usable apps included for $40 bucks and figure there must be something wrong with it. They can't understand the open source movement and the idea that somebody would write a program for no other reason than the joy of writing it, and then happily give it away. To be fair the the average consumer, look at the sort of "free" things they get for their computers. Cuecats, bonzai buddy, gator. Not exactly encouraging. Slashdot readers know that OSS is totaly different than the kind of nonsense companies give away, but do people at large do?

I don't really have a solution for Mandrake (If I did I'd start a company). I think their best bet would be to get cosy with OEMs and charge them for offering the support. At any rate I wish them the best of luck, but alas for me RH's fonts have drawn me away from Mandrake 9.0 :).

Nice to know.. (1, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4885976)

I just recieved Mandrake 9.0 PowerPack by chronopost/fedex on Thursday, which means I paid for it, rather than downloaded it. I figure the money is well spent, especially if it keeps them going.

Where are the $*#&@!!! real financials? (5, Interesting)

USC-MBA (629057) | more than 11 years ago | (#4886018)

What kind of stunt is Mandrakesoft trying to pull? Having a little timeline chart showing "revenue" and "expenses" by themselves tells us nothing. This is an imortant point, so I shall be a snot and repeat it: MandrakeSoft's little chart tells us nothing.

There are any number of ways for a company's reported revenues to increase, ranging from a genuine increase in sales to more underhanded methods like (for example) reporting certain types of expected future income as present revenues. Likewise, there are any number of ways to show a decrease in expenses on the balance sheet, ranging from honest-to-goodness cost cuts, to sneaky Enron moves like hiding expenses through the use of stock options as executive pay, or dummy subsidiaries.

Don't get me wrong, I am not accusing MandrakeSoft of any wrongdoing, what I am saying is unless we get to see detailed financials, and I mean income and cash flow statements, a balance sheet, and footnotes, MandrakeSoft's rosy financial report is just another press release.

MandrakeSoft's stock price [yahoo.com] is still off around $1.25 from its high for the year, if they want to get their price up, it would help to get better information to investors.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4886020)

Operatin costs cuts YOU

A thread in a nutshell (2, Funny)

gleffler (540281) | more than 11 years ago | (#4886045)

Me: Mandrake sucks, Debian rules!
/.er: Retort about difficulty of installation
Me: Counter-retort about lack of 'free'ness of $DISTRIBUTION
/.er: Counter-counter-retort still about difficulty of installation
/.er 2: "One distribution to rule them all" comment
/.er 3: "Beowulf Cluster" comment
Troll: "You get what you pay for" comment
/.er 4: "Linux will never be on the desktop" manifesto (at least 100K)
{several replies about why Linux WILL TOO be on the desktop, several replies about why Linux isn't ready, and at least 4 people advocating throwing away X}

Yeah, I can now create threads in my head. Who needs to actually *READ* the threads, you can just make them up yourself!
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