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The Business of Star Trek

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the rolling-in-the-bucks dept.

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angkor writes "Paramount claims merchandise sales have exceeded $4 billion over Trek's lifetime; 470 people have actually paid $5,000 apiece for a life-size replica of the villain Locutus." And that my friends, is why Nemesis didn't even have to be a really good movie.

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FPMP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891655)

mmmmmmm princess madeleine... [princess-madeleine.com]

PHIRST POAZT (-1, Offtopic)

Jrod5000 at RPI (229934) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891658)

PHIRST POAZT

It didn't have to (1, Offtopic)

bahamat (187909) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891660)

But it was!

Re:It didn't have to (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891672)

Offtopic? It was his/her OPINION.

Morons shouldn't be given mod points. Ever.

Re:It didn't have to (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891921)

Morons shouldn't be given mod points. Ever.

Moderation should only be allowed to mod things up, not down. Or at least, not down past the default posting level (+2 for high karma users, +1 for normal, 0 for AC's). Over the last 3 or 4 years I've been on slashdot I've constantly seen moderation abused to keep people from voicing their opinion which has resulted in a slashbot herd mentality. It's all very sad really, especially when they bring out those "your rights online" articles and bitch about how the government is doing the same thing. Pffft. Hypocrits.

It works on more than one level... (1, Funny)

edburnham (512518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891661)

And you thought live long and prosper only applied to Vulcans!

I'd pay $5000 for... (5, Funny)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891665)

A life sized Beverly Crusher... Maybe.

Re:I'd pay $5000 for... (2)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891678)

hmm ask wil..

Re:I'd pay $5000 for... (2, Funny)

A Gremlin In Kremlin (634248) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891686)

I'd go for Deanna Troi, 7 of 9 and B'Elanna Torres.

Re:I'd pay $5000 for... (2, Funny)

Tremblay99 (534187) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891690)

A life sized Beverly Crusher... Maybe.

Lifelike -- even better!

Re:I'd pay $5000 for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891774)

Shes not worth that much.. Now maybe

7 of 9 Model 9000 ( Power corder included )
"Lifelike" Lips with Suction Action Throat
"Sure" Grip Vibrating Vagina
Realistic Hairy A-Hole

Re:I'd pay $5000 for... (5, Funny)

Will_Malverson (105796) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891779)

A life sized Beverly Crusher... Maybe

Maybe you should talk to the people at Real Doll [realdoll.com] . (Not safe for work...) Their basic female models go for about $6000.

Re:I'd pay $5000 for... (2, Funny)

Knacklappen (526643) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891798)

Oh, and I read "Beowulf Cluster"... Lucky you, I was ready to fire up a Troll-mod... ;-)

Re:I'd pay $5000 for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4892109)

A life sized Beverly Crusher... Maybe.


Does she require a dilithium crystal to get her parts moving?

Not too good, not too bad (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891666)

At least they found a new way to skill the red-shirt guy on the bridge.

Cock Enlargement (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891670)

I have, I suppose, like all men, wondered what it would be like to have a larger cock. I have, once again, like a lot of people seen the 'freaks' in porno movies who have horse like dicks and thought to myself - 'That can't be normal, most people aren't like that surely.'

But in the back of your mind, you always wonder. Now let me say from the outset that I have nothing in my pants to brag about and although through the years I seem to have been able to satisfy most of the women I have been with, there has never been more than one or two who have, afterwards, made favourable comments either about my length, girth, performance or stamina although they have commented favourably about the over all performance. Perhaps they were just being kind not saying much at all.

Yes, I could say it is because they were so fucking exhausted, they couldn't say anything, but of course that would be lying. I suppose though, if I think back amongst all the women I have had sex with, similarly, there have only been a few that I have thought to be outstanding for one particular reason or another and with them, I have made that very obvious.

I don't think any of them have had particularly small cunts - all the more reason for doubting myself. There has, however, been a couple that have had particularly well-developed cunt muscles and that has made all the difference for both of us. Once again, I now wonder why that was necessary.

There was another whose cunt inner walls were very ribbed and that was sensational. The only trouble with that was that those ribs were made to make you come and come I did. Luckily she was in the days when I was young enough to recover quickly and start all over again and again.

There was another who much preferred me up her arse mind you she had a huge cunt. Her husband once told me "It was like chucking a bit of string in a Cathedral."

There was another who had bushes of body hair everywhere she could cover up. That I found to be magnificent; I couldn't get enough of her.

I suppose that brings me inevitably on to the issue of size and my size in particular. Well here goes. As I have, for as many years as I can remember, been aware of my size and the issue of whether or not I was big enough, I can tell you that I always seem to have been around 7.5 - 8inches long with 4.5 - 5 inches in girth (that girth measurement is not around the head of my dick because I know that is bigger by about another half inch or so and therefore does not give the true measurement over all).

I therefore thought it was about time to go in search of facts and figures of prick sizes and on methods of improving what I have. With the web now so available to us all and virtually anything you want to research on there, I found no trouble in coming up with many different solutions to my 'problem'.

However, a new problem then developed. Did I want to spend a lot of money on contraptions for the outside of my body and tablets and potions for the inside of my body that might not work anyway? Many years ago, I had had one of those suction pumps that were great fun and made your dick look VERY impressive for as long as you had it on, but as soon as it came off, you were back to square one.

I really did give that one a go for a long time simply because I could see the result I wanted to achieve when it was in operation, but try as I might, it just didn't work for me. One of my friends who I confided in (after a particularly fine foursome where it was difficult for everyone not to be exposed to everyone else) suggested pills.

After some thought, I really couldn't understand how any pill would be able to aim just for your prick and enlarge that, surely there were other similar muscles in your body. And in any case all the pills were 'natural' or 'herbal' and easily available without prescription and that made me sceptical as well.

But then I came across a couple of exercise programmes on the web that were not going to cost me anything and could easily be done in a few minutes of privacy. I won't tell you the names of the sites I got these off otherwise you are going to think this is some kind of advert and not fact at all. However, if anyone wants to contact me, they can and I will give the name of the site to you then.

I started about three months ago and it seems to be having an effect. You can't just do the exercises on their own, you also need to strengthen up the muscle between your balls and your arse for the greatest effect - I will go in to that later.

Each day, I do a warm up whereby I take a shower and whilst still in there, I lather up the old tool and put my thumb and forefinger in an 'O' around the base and pull away from me. I found it best to have my hand the way round that kept the rest of my fingers furthest away from my body when I pulled.

I didn't pull my dick straight out from my body, it always felt most effective when I pulled it almost straight down. I would take each pull slowly so it took me about five seconds to pull down from the base to the head.

I, of course, have always found this to be quite stimulating and would become semi erect by the twentieth to thirtieth pull. Unfortunately, I have never been able to determine if this will slow down the effect I am having on my size or not, perhaps someone could let me know.

After I have done it with one hand about fifty times (always lathering him up frequently as I go) I change hands and pull it down the other way. I am not suggesting that you should pull it slowly down to one side and then the other, I always try to pull it straight down as I have never had any kind of bend on mine.

I suppose that if yours has got a bend in it and you don't like that, (heaven knows why, I have always thought that looked great on blokes, but there again, I don't know if it effects the way you can fuck) you could always slowly pull your dick in the opposite direction to the bend and see if that helps.

Once you have done about fifty pulls with both hands, you need to then gently play with your dick, (not a bad thing) whilst still in the shower to kind of let it get over what you have just done to it.

Just a couple of words of warning, if you are going to give it a try but have had in the past or can get hold of any professional advice now that suggests that, for what ever reason you shouldn't try it, then don't, it just might not be for you. But if you feel confident that it is safe for you and you would like to give it a try, build up to the exercise, don't go mad and do too much straight away.

I must admit, I did it too hard, for too long to begin with and it damn well hurt. My prick went a bruised colour and I felt sure I had done some kind of permanent damage. Luckily I hadn't, but it taught me a very good lesson. I started the second time with just ten pulls with one hand and then the next day, ten pulls with the other.

Soon, I was up to ten pulls per day with both hands and gradually, I have tightened my grip to pull harder as the weeks have gone by, also increasing the number of pulls.

Obviously, this is what works for me and everyone is different. If your prick is used to a lot of battering then you should be able to start stronger that if it isn't, but take it easy and take it steady.

I have now been able to graduate to being able to do it anywhere at anytime I have privacy, I no longer need some kind of lubricant, but my first pull of the day is always in the shower, with the warmth and with the soap, that kind of warms me up for the day. It doesn't take long to whip the old trousers down, say when you go for a pee, instead of standing at a stall, go into a cubicle and you can do a quick pull as well.

The other main thing to watch out for is where you are pushing the blood that is already in your prick as you begin each pull down from the base. Obviously, as your grip gets tighter and you pull down harder, you are going to trap the blood and try forcing it out the end - ouch!!!

For those of you like me who have a foreskin, you will find that it tends to have a semi permanent redness about it as though it is sore and to a certain extent it is. For those cut guys, I don't know what to say because I don't know any cut guys who are doing the same exercises.

What I have tended to start doing as the girth has improved is to continue with the downward pulls, with an ever increasing grip, but not go to the knob end. I now usually stop half way down, pull my foreskin back and then continue with the pull. I only ever go as far as the head. I have never continued my pull over it.

My pulling sessions now normally finish with an extended pull for the final time. That is to say, when I decide I have had enough and things are starting to get a bit tender (which they can if you don't always use lube), the last gripped pull reached the head and I stay there, still pulling for say another ten or fifteen seconds and then slowly let go.

My relaxation period (when I am not at home) always tends to be taking hold of him and gently squeezing him a dozen or so times until things feel back to normal (don't forget, this can be quite exciting and when you leave the loo, you don't want to be walking around the office with a damn great lob on, do you - or do you?).

What effect has all this had? Well, I think it has changed me in several ways, both physically and mentally. First of all, the one you have all been waiting for, what has it done to my dong?

Well when you consider that all these 'enlargement' sites tell you that although you will see change in a few weeks, for the best effect, you must keep doing it for at least a year. I can report that there is not much change in length - you remember I used to be 7.5 - 8 inches (could I really claim 8, well sometimes, just perhaps, maybe if I was quick enough with the ruler) well now, on many occasions there is definitely eight, perhaps a tad more, or is that just my imagination?

But it is the girth where there has been significant change - you remember it was 4.5 - 5, well now I can truly claim an increase to 6 inches at least and you can really feel the difference. When it is flaccid, it used to be about 3 - 3.5 inches, now it is 4 - 4.5 inches dependent on the temperature, you men will know what I mean by that.

And it seems to have been noticed as well (and this is where the mental effect comes in), because the girth has changes size, so has the head, although I have not measured the head yet when fully erect, taking into consideration the increased girth measurement, I would say that it is now in the region of 6.5+ inches, and that shows!!!

When I now have sex, there is a lot more squirming takes place by my partner when we are trying to get me up inside her. She can definitely feel that something is very different and when I am fully up inside of her, she shakes gently, holds me perfectly still as far up inside her as she can get me and squeezes him a lot more with her cunt wall muscles.

When she finally lets him go so that we can start moving, she now loves the feeling of the rim of the head of my dick scraping along the inside walls of her fanny. She also seems to be a lot noisier when she cums.

Now the other thing I thought I better mention is that muscle just behind your balls - I can't remember what it is called but I think it was once referred to as the PA muscle, but there again, it doesn't really matter what it is called as long as you exercise the right one.

All the sites I have found say you must exercise this along with the other pulling exercises and the way to do this is by clenching your arse cheeks together time after time after time. The way I checked which one it was, was to wait until I went for a pee and stopped myself from peeing once I was in full flow. Now the one you can feel yourself clenching is the one you have to exercise.

The sites also say that you can do this at anytime and in any position, laying down, standing up or sitting down. When I went for a pee and stopped myself, the muscle I felt was directly between my balls and my arse but when I started exercising, in certain positions it felt as though I was exercising a completely different muscle up inside my arse.

I don't know if this is the same muscle or not, but to be sure, I feel far more confident exercising when I am sitting down, particularly upright say when in the office or driving. And you really can do it anytime, anywhere no one will ever know what you are doing.

I can't recall any of the sites actually explaining why it is necessary to excise this thing but I have gathered from the way the sites are written that it will help us with our self control and the stiffness of our cock when erect - so exercise I do.

They also suggest that you need to build up to where you are clenching it hundreds of times a day in batches of say fifty at a time. This may sound a lot, but it really isn't IF YOU CAN REMEMBER TO DO IT. It is so easy to forget, but I have now got myself into a frame of mind where it just cums to me second nature now and I almost don't have to think about it, I just find myself doing it.

I do it slowly now but I started where I didn't hold the clench for very long because I found that if I did, it didn't take many clenches before it started to hurt as though I had strained it. Now, fifty takes me about ten minutes, that's all, and if I want to, I can start another fifty straightaway.

Obviously, I don't count them, otherwise I would never be able to concentrate on what anyone around me was saying or what other traffic was doing, I just know how long I have been doing it for each time, but I can really feel the difference in the size of the muscle, now all I have to do is learn how to use that better muscle to my advantage. Once again, if anyone could help me out on that one, I would be most grateful.

All these 'enlargement' plans claim -

Permanent penis enlargement - well, we will see, so far, so good

Experience multiple orgasms - can't say that one has worked on me yet

Curvature straightening - never had a curve

Increased sexual stamina - I can certainly last a lot longer now, maybe too long, you have to be careful here.

Cures and prevents impotence - cleaver one this, I suppose they can always turn round and say you might have suffered if you hadn't exercised.

Bigger penis head - definitely and it's great.

Rock hard erections - haven't needed too much here although I would say there is certainly an improvement.

Increased levels of semen - hard for me to judge because I love to cum so frequently, but that's another story, however, the girlfriend did go away recently for a couple of days and I was able to leave myself alone (except for exercising) for that time, when she got back and I whipped her straight off to bed, I nearly drowned her.

More confidence and better sex - definitely, when you can't sit down with your legs together or you are always having to make yourself comfortable down there, you know you are doing SOMETHING right and that transfers over to when you get her into bed. And it's great when you can sense that she feels the difference, you almost want to smile. With the increased flaccid state, you feel far more confident getting caught around the house. But the best bit is when you are on top of her and in a press-up position so that she can look down you and she sees what is about to hammer her and she makes that quiet little noise in the back of her throat and can't wait to get her hands around it and guide it into her slowly so that you don't hurt her -That's fucking brilliant.

Anyway, that's how if has worked and is still working for me. If you feel it can benefit you, why not give it a go. If you have tried something else and it has worked, why not share it with the rest of us so that we can all benefit.

Until someone cums up with a better solution on how to get your hands on your own member and make big improvements to its size - all free of charge, I am just going to keep pulling away and clenching with my exercises and see what I can achieve. I hope for some improvement to the length, more than I have achieved so far, and a continued improvement to the girth and head - I will measure it sometime for you if anyone is interested.

Please let me know what free improvements you have been able to make to your own meat and how you have been able to make them. Please don't exaggerate, hopefully you can see that I have tried to be as factual as possible with no exaggerations as at the end of the day, we are only trying to make ourselves act and feel better in life and that can't be a bad thing.

I really hope this helps some of you guys out there who have felt like I have in the past.

Good exercising and good luck.

Uh huh... (5, Interesting)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891675)

...and what was that industry claim, again, about how pirate DVD's are hurting the industry...and why anyone should care?

Or does the USD$4bil include estimates of perceived gain as well (as opposed to projected loses)?

Re:Uh huh... (4, Funny)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891936)

...and what was that industry claim, again, about how pirate DVD's are hurting the industry...and why anyone should care?

Are you really that stupid? Of course pirate DVDs are hurting the industry! Have you seen the utter shit they've been putting out recently? If they had had the money lost to the pirates they could've produced some good quality movies instead of the garbage cast upon us. Mr. Deeds was a personal "FUCK YOU" to the movie pirates of America for stealing from the MPAA. You spend a few hours downloading that piece of crap and end up deleting it since it's such a waste of space.

Finally, I have some evidence (-1, Troll)

SteweyGriffin (634046) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891676)

470 people have actually paid $5,000 apiece for a life-size replica of the villain Locutus.

I do not want to start a flame war here, but this is exactly the kind of nonsense that these Free/Open Source hypocrites don't like to talk about.

"Oh dear, no way would I use Microsoft products. Everything should be free! Free software, free tech support, free ISPs, etc."

Then they go out and spend several thousand dollars on Star Trek, Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings memoribilia each year. And these are probably families who are barely scraping by on, say, $30,000 or so each year, which doesn't go a long way with two kids, a house, a dog, utility bill, mortgage, car payments, insurance, schooling, etc.

I just wish folks would budget their money more wisely. Use that computer you claim to know so much about and buy Quicken or something. It will really save you dearly in the end, and perhaps save your family.

The US has been in an ecomonic pit for the past two years. Now's not the time to be spending money on whatever you damn well please. I realize it's Christmas, but ask yourself if you'd rather have three meals a day, or some new LOTR costume that you can prance around the woods in.

Don't mean to sound vicious or judgemental or anything, I just worry about our nation's families and whether people are budgeting money properly. (I'm an accountant!)

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (2)

pacc (163090) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891718)

The US has been in an economic pit for the past two years. Now's the time to be spending money on whatever you damn well please. I it's Christmas, buy yourself some new LOTR costume that you can prance around the woods in.

It's your duty as a consumer to buy you country out of the recession!

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (1)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891776)

If you really want to buy your country out of a recession, you should buy things that further develop the economy. A stupid doll isn't going to do anything once it's been purchased.

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (2, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891852)

A stupid doll isn't going to do anything once it's been purchased.

I'm sorry, which doll was it that we were talking about here? :^P

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (3, Interesting)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891720)

Sheesh.. how broad an assumption is that?

How the hell would you automatically assume that 470 lifesize borg figures were all sold to Open Source 'zealots'?!

They are more likely to be bought by wealthy collectors, or movie memorabilia stores.

Right (3, Funny)

Twister002 (537605) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892046)

Everyone knows the Borg are an evil, closed-source monopoly.

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (2)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891721)

Use that computer you claim to know so much about and buy Quicken or something. It will really save you dearly in the end, and perhaps save your family.


Dammit, when are you going to learn? You've got to wait for GNUicken of XQuicken or Open K Quicken to be done first. In the mean time, any idea where I can get one of those full-size replicas?

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (3, Insightful)

Gekko (45112) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891725)

Funny I saw nowhere in that article where it said that the main demographic of the people that purchased the life sized replica were people making $30,000 a year with a family, 2 kids and a dog.

Go troll someplace else.

Evidence of what? (1)

Blondie-Wan (559212) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891730)

All jokes aside, what makes you think all that stuff was bought by Slashdot readers? Why do you link nonuse of Microsoft products to a belief in entitlement to free software, etc., when attacks on M$ here are usually over its business practices and/or the quality of its products? And what makes you think all sci-fi fans/collectors are in families scraping by on $30k a year? Do you have any facts to support any of this at all?

Re:Evidence of what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891759)

What is the average benefit from the Food Stamp Program?

The average monthly benefit was about $80 per person and almost $186 per household in FY 2002. See the chart below for a listing of maximum benefits available to households of various sizes.

See http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/faqs.htm#8 [usda.gov] for more details.

Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891734)

(and smarter than you fucking losers)

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Re:Finally, I have some evidence (5, Insightful)

Spock the Baptist (455355) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891828)

How this post got mode so far up is a mystery to me. All that is being said is that some poor folk spend their money unwisely on entertainment, and other nonessentials. This is, or at least ought to be, common knowledge.

There are people who will cough up major bucks going to casinos, playing lotto, and getting drunk or stoned. Others will spend big cash on sporting events, and/or sporting goods that they can ill afford. Still others will spend more than is prudent on homes that are in "exclusive" neighborhoods, sports cars, big @$*!^ SUV with all the bells, and whistles, or parade float sized limos. The list is finite but none the less large.

I'm not immune to this sort of behavior, though I do like to think that my case of consumeritis is a mild one. I spend way more than I need to on fishing tackle. Not to mention computer gear, and associated gadgets, and gizmos.

"...but ask yourself if you'd rather have three meals a day, or some new LOTR costume that you can prance around the woods in."

Given the obesity rate here in the US I'd say that a lot more Americans need to be vigorously prancing around around (be it in the woods or elsewhere, or in costume or no) than consuming three meals a day.

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (1)

theladyboo (523508) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891837)

hey, i don't want to pay money for microsoft products because they just plain suck.

beckie
www.geekmom.net [slashdot.org]

What I want to know is... (2)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891842)

Who the hell bought that Trek chess set from the Franklin Mint? (Does anyone really fall for that $30/month .. for the next five years. [Do the sales people get a Five Year Commission?])

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891853)

> Don't mean to sound vicious or judgemental or anything, I just worry about our nation's families and whether people are budgeting money properly. (I'm an accountant!)

Therefore your life is probably the most boring one in existence.

get a clue (2, Offtopic)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891918)

but this is exactly the kind of nonsense that these Free/Open Source hypocrites don't like to talk about. "Oh dear, no way would I use Microsoft products. Everything should be free! Free software, free tech support, free ISPs, etc."

You have no idea what you are talking about. Free software is about freedom to reuse, redistribute, and change software that you use. That has nothing to do with whether you pay for the software or not. I have paid a lot of money for free software over the years, as have many other people. In fact, tech support and services are some of the main ways in which free software advocates recommend making money with free software.

Don't mean to sound vicious or judgemental or anything,

No, you just sound stupid.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891937)

...CHILDREN save YOU!

Re:Finally, I have some evidence (1)

thebeagle (628904) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892076)

Interesting ideas, I guess... your post WAS kind of "vicious and judgemental", or at the very least "judgemental", and I think you know it. Still, I think it's great to question America's cultural materialism. Post away!

That Article has Serious Factual Problems (5, Interesting)

loggia (309962) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891677)

There are so many serious problems with that article that it is hard to take it seriously.

First of all, it refers to Rick Berman as the "new" honcho of Star Trek. Huh? He has been the honcho for more than a decade.

Second, it "buries the lede." That is a journalism phrase to indictate that the most important element of the story has been pushed to the bottom. At the end of the article you will find that "Enterprise" is the lowest rated Star Trek show in history, achieving one third of the ratings of Voyager. And Voyager's ratings were always quite low.

Sometimes an editor gets an idea for an article and it remains despite the article no longer representing the headline. The headline wants you to believe Star Trek is continuing to be lucrative for Paramount, but when you read the article you begin to scratch your head. The box office chart is not adjusted for inflation and if it was, you'd see each movie seems to do basically less worldwide box office with each iteration.

Etc etc

Re:That Article has Serious Factual Problems (2)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891693)

What was that saying about Editors? They're the ones that come down off the hill, after the battle, and shoot the wounded...

Your point about adjusting for inflation is well taken. All the more reason for fan-consumers to ignore the hype, since that is all any of the chatter is any more.

Re:That Article has Serious Factual Problems (5, Informative)

rtos (179649) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891770)

Yes, adjusting for inflation and COL is always important when comparing monetary amounts from different years. Good call! Here's the woldwide gross for each Trek movie in adjusted 2002 dollars:
ST1 - $370m (Highest)

ST2 - $194m
ST3 - $159m
ST4 - $225m
ST5 - $104m (Lowest)
ST6 - $127m
ST7 - $147m
ST8 - $174m
ST9 - $131m
FWIW.

Ticket prices also (3, Insightful)

dachshund (300733) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892045)

Here's the woldwide gross for each Trek movie in adjusted 2002 dollars

Even adjusting for inflation doesn't do it. You have to adjust for changes in ticket prices, which have accelerated well beyond inflation. Throw that in, or look at the actual number of tickets sold, and the picture gets even grimmer.

Re:That Article has Serious Factual Problems (3, Insightful)

pheede (37918) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891849)

From just above the box office charts in the article:
The Box Office
Trek films often escaped the sci-fi niche to become mainstream hits.
Worldwide gross in 2002 dollars:
Which part of 'worldwide gross in 2002 dollars' do you interpret as being not adjusted for inflation? In fact, since the numbers actually are inflation adjusted, the numbers do indeed support the notion, that Star Trek still makes Paramount loads of dollars.

Life Sized Locutus (5, Funny)

nuintari (47926) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891679)

Why would someone pay that kind of money for a big giant borg doll when Realdoll sells one that actually looks pleasent. If you need companionship due to your nerd induced ugliness and low social status, don't compound your unnattractiveness by screwing a giant borg man. Go buy a sexy lingerie doll and pretend its a real girl, its good practice for pretending you actually have a life.

Re:Life Sized Locutus (5, Funny)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891700)

Ah yes. Nothing screams geeky dork like buying a RealDoll and dressing it up in a Starfleet uniform.

Re:Life Sized Locutus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891717)

Don't impose your sexuality on be buddy!
www.fetish-is-futile.com - Largest collection of Borg Pr0n on the net!

Re:Life Sized Locutus (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891735)

Damn you... I actually went to that site hoping to read about a threeway between Picard, Data, and the Borg Queen!

Re:Life Sized Locutus (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891743)

Why not suprise your friends with a RealHamster [realhamster.com] ?

Re:Life Sized Locutus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891996)

Go buy a sexy lingerie doll and pretend its a real girl, its good practice for pretending you actually have a life.

Cuz you know chicks dig guys with life-sized fake women in their closets. That's just the sort of deep, intellectual man every woman dreams about.

'course a life-sized replica of Patric Stewart in a funky costume probably won't impress 'em much either.

Locutus?! (5, Funny)

OS2_will_prevail! (630613) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891684)

Wow, a life sized LoB model? And here I was happy with my Borg Cube Christmas ornament! "We are the Borg, Enjoy your hollidays, Resistance is Futile!"

Re:Locutus?! (3, Funny)

Mish (50810) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891825)

Should I be scared or amused that my first thought when I read your post was "That is *SO* cool, I want one".

Re:Locutus?! (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892097)

Remember the Barbie Liberation Army that swapped talking Barbie chips with talking GI Joes then returned them to the stores? We need a more general movement for reprogramming talking toys to play with people's brains.

How about a Trek toy that says "Get a life!" (Hey Shatner, "Get a job!")

New York City Cops... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891688)

They ain't too smart!

Does it say if the majority of the $4 bil (2, Interesting)

happyhippy (526970) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891691)

is pre- or pro- Roddenbury?

4 Billion? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891694)

You geeks waste SO MUCH MONEY ON CRAP! You would pay 1,000,000 for a piece of shit!

Re:4 Billion? (5, Funny)

Blondie-Wan (559212) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891742)

You geeks waste SO MUCH MONEY ON CRAP! You would pay 1,000,000 for a piece of shit!

Only if it's limited-edition, officially licensed Star Trek shit. Give us some credit.

;)

Re:4 Billion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891749)

I'm trying to remember what that movie was that had a street urchin selling pieces of shit saying something like "tuppence for a piece of shit!". Maybe it was a Python movie.

Re:4 Billion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891930)

You geeks waste SO MUCH MONEY ON CRAP! You would pay 1,000,000 for a piece of shit!

As opposed to what? The kind of thing your average, red-blooded American male lusts after? Like fast cars, snowmobiles, guns, boats, and hookers? Thanks: I'll continue spending my money on geek crap, and you can spend yours on the other crap.

On a related note (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891695)

On news on the business of being Slashdot.org, you don't really need to have a brain to post duplicate [slashdot.org] articles in order to look like you are working.

And how much does ass cream Taco make a year? For publishing the same story yet again???

RIAA accounting rules.... (3, Funny)

PhreakOfTime (588141) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891697)

I wonder why they didnt use the RIAA method of calculating sales. I bet the 'actual' number would be around 300 trillion.

Lets see, you have to count lost sales as 'stolen revenue', so every time someone looks at an episode of star trek without watching commercials, lost revenue. Every utterance of a copywrighted line from any star trek, lost royalties...you get the idea...

Shut up...its funny to me, but Ive been up since the day before yesterday doing networking layouts...

Re:RIAA accounting rules.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891732)

Don't forget about the "pirated" uniforms people make on their own instead of buying the sanctioned ones at conventions.

What about the fans? (3, Interesting)

Nefrayu (601593) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891699)

Intel has made lots of money off of computer processors, but to say that they can release a substandard chip and not care about it is wrong.
It's the same way with Nemesis. I've sworn off seeing these Treks in the theaters anymore. After Insurection and now this turkey of a movie, I've decided it just isn't worth it. I'll wait until someone else buys the DVD, or I'll download it from Kazaa. If you take into account that I saw the STII:TWOK in the theater three times and STIV:TVH twice, I think it's safe to say that Paramount stands to lose money from bad movies.

Star Trek is TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891812)

I've sworn off seeing these Treks in the theaters anymore

Star Trek is TV, not movie fare. Despite having been a great fan of the franchise (books, tech manuals, models, etc. when I was much younger - I'm 40 now), I've never seen a ST film in a theatre. It's not worth the money - Star Trek is the Malk version of milk when it comes to science fiction. No amount of teeth-shattnering, ear-blasting, logofied THX sound effects or gonzo CGI will change this.

Re:What about the fans? (5, Insightful)

Murdock037 (469526) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891898)

Unfortunately, I think you're in the minority.

It seems to me that the quality of the Trek movies, on the whole, is negligible to most of the audience. Did you read the comments [slashdot.org] from the review [slashdot.org] here on Slashdot a few days ago?

So many people have said that they'll disregard what they hear, from critics or friends, and go see it anyways. "And I'll probably enjoy it, no matter how bad it is." Why is this? Star Trek has become like the McDonald's of film franchises. Bland, predictable. You just sort of... go. When was the last time you really looked forward to a meal at McDonald's?

I'm not really one to talk, I guess-- I kinda sorta look forward to the new Star Wars movies, despite myself. Same idea.

Re:What about the fans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4892018)

There is no way that this could be worse than Insterection. That has got to be one of the crappiest movies I've ever seen. (well, of movies that were trying not to be crappy anyway)

A different view (3, Informative)

skroz (7870) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891726)

I'm a pretty big trek fan, as trek fans go, and I REALLY liked the film. I'm terrible at writing reviews without giving away plot hints, but I'm here to say that it was probably my #3 favorite trek film.

One thing, though. I can see people interested in Locutus, Borg Queen, Khan, or a few other star trek-related bad guys. But this film's bad guy? He's just picard with a narrower, younger head. He was still a good bad guy, I thought, but I don't think he has the sinister style that sticks with people like the other bad guys I mentioned.

But anyway, go see the movie... it was excellent.

Re:A different view (5, Funny)

Nefrayu (601593) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891744)

Yeah, it was nice to see that the british accent is genetic, because obviously growing up in the dilithium mines of Remus didn't affect that in the least. What a good villian and great writing... for me to poop on.

Re:A different view (4, Interesting)

Drachemorder (549870) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891904)

"Yeah, it was nice to see that the british accent is genetic"

I'd expect that the Romulans would have been training him to speak with a British accent before they gave up the infiltration plan and abandoned him on Remus. He looked about 10-12 in the flashbacks that showed him being thrown into the dungeons, so it seems reasonable that he'd already developed his accent by that time.

Not that I'm saying I thought he was a good villain --- he wasn't really --- but the accent certainly isn't any less believable than the idea of a universal translator that can even make aliens' lips move like they're speaking English...

Re:A different view (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891927)

Funny, I know brits who've lived in the US for almost two decades, somehow they still have a british accent.

You'd be surprised how much more comfortable it is to talk in your native tongue, even if it's just a change in inflection. Go ahead, speak in a cockney british accent - every day, every sentence, and see how long before you revert to your normal speaking voice.

Psst, ever think that part of his (aborted) training for his future role involved being trained to BE Picard, vocal inflection and all? I have a hard time believing that the kid they dropped in the mines couldn't speak a lick of english.

Christ, if you're going to bash the film, at least bring up a VALID bash.

Like scouring the planet of a pre-warp pre-contact civilization for bits and pieces of the android without any real attempt to avoid contact with the natives. Prime Directive? Hellllooooooo?

How about the ability of Enterprise sensors to detect positronic emissions from halfway across the galaxy?

That said, I liked the film. I thought it was excellent on many levels, just some niggling technical crap that they obviously didn't care about. Certainly MUCH better than the abomination they called Insurrection... but Insurrection did have the odd-numbered-treks-suck curse working against it.

OFFTOPIC: Re:A different view (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891988)

If Trent Lott used the word "niggling" in a sentence, do you think the dumb fuck democrats would call for censure for him being a racist? I think so. The entire African Black Caucus or whatever in the Congress would call for his resignation. ROFL.

Re:A different view (5, Funny)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891979)

Yeah, it was nice to see that the british accent is genetic

Actually, it is genetic. If you have two British parents, you also get the rules of cricket, all the Beatles' lyrics and an assortment of Monty Python quotes too. The sense of humour has to be learnt, tho'.

Re:A different view (2)

SteweyGriffin (634046) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891911)

When Data dies, he goes, calmly, logically, into the breach, to save his Captain and his friends. There is a story brewing in me about his last conversation with Geordi as they went to send him over to his ship - a conversation that would've added depth to the film, if someone had thought about it. But is he dead? Or does he live on in B4? The fanworld may debate this one for a while...

Some problems though:
-- No mention of Spock. Would it have killed them?
-- Brief glimpse of Wesley, but no explanations.
-- Cameo of Guinan. Nice, short, and sweet.
-- All the technobabble in the film made me realize that Enterprise has done fairly well at keeping it to a minimum.
-- Romulans can now fire while cloaked. Oh, goody...
-- Another Romulan we could've seen but didn't: Tomalok.

It was an average film for average geeks. C+.

Re:A different view (3, Interesting)

alteran (70039) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892030)

Strange. In this post [slashdot.org] you say, "Nemesis Rocks," in bold no less. But in the above post [slashdot.org] , it's "an average film for average geeks. C+"

Which is it?

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891727)

...replicas pay you!

hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891736)

its no the movie or the tv shows that make its money its the star trek universe itself. although it was the shows/movies that get people into that universe... that said nothing good will come of this.

The Enterprise versus the Millenium Falcon: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891763)

Imagine, if you will, Han Solo suddenly found himself beseiged by the Enterprise. Would the Millenium Falcon be able to defeat Captain Kirk?

I'm pretty sure the Millenium Falcon would easily be able to defeat the Enterprise. Really, the Enterprise is a sluggish science vessel whose captain was more interested in chasing alien pussy than anything else. All it did was chug along on a straight course, and could do none of the fancy aerobatics that the Millenium Falcon was capable of.

This doesn't even bring up the fact that photon torpedos and phasers don't exist; they're literary constructs without any basis in science.

Not to mention that Han Solo was much more cunning and skillful than Captain Kirk. Plus who would you want as your sidekick: Chewbacca, or Doctor Spock - a man who basically sounds like a HP-48 calculator come to life? Also, the Enterprise was burdened with Scottie, a man who was always first to freak out whenever the Enterprise was asked to do anything more than idle. But that's the English for ya! In any event, do you really think the skill of someone who spent half his time trapped in the holodeck could outwit a man of Han Solo's skill?

I think not.

Really the only thing that the Enterprise had going for it were the transporters. I'm sure the Millenium Falcon's shields would repel these like rain off oiled canvas.

All in all, it seems like the Enterprise would have a hard time fending off the Millenium Falcon.

Re:The Enterprise versus the Millenium Falcon: (0, Flamebait)

Sayonara (633825) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891928)

  1. Doctor Spock was an infamous paediatrician, IE - real. I doubt anyone would want him as their sidekick on a space-faring vessel. You refer to Mr Spock. Since Wookies have a thing about tearing the limbs off humanoids, and Chewie only hung around Solo because he owed the smuggler a life debt, I think I'd rather go with the Vulcan to be honest. At least they can tie their own shoelaces.
  2. Scottie was Scottish, not English, you retard.
  3. The photon torpedo is a piece of technology which may well exist by the 23rd century. It delivers a payload of antimatter and deuterium which annihilate each other upon impact with the target, releasing vast amounts of energy. Compare this to the torpedoes used by the Corellians and other races in Star Wars - they deliver a proton payload which would do absolutely sod all to the Enterprise's shields.
  4. The phaser is a beam of laser light that has undergone phase rectification. It destroys the target by inciting the rapid nadion effect. The name is made up, but the principle is not - give an atom enough energy and it will shake itself apart. Again, this technology will be around by - or perhaps even before - the 23rd century. Now turn your attention to the "blasters" used in Star Wars - I think you'll find it's these that have no basis in science.
All aside from the fact that the two would never meet, of course.

Star Trek is captivating for some, but ... (1, Flamebait)

SteweyGriffin (634046) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891769)

Personally, the only reason I watch Voyager is to get an eye-full of Jeri Ryan wearing that skin-tight catsuit, and to laugh at that snivelling idiot Berman because the only reason Jeri Ryan is shagging him is to make sure she gets a part on the forthcoming fifth installment of the Berman/Braga celebration of shit.

Re:Star Trek is captivating for some, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891851)

Hey idiot, she's banging Braga. I thought the guy was gay when I first saw him, but I guess money does strange things to you. Look at Celine Dion and her overweight pedophile of a husband.

Re:Star Trek is captivating for some, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4892086)

For the record: Jeri is with Brannon, not Rick.

Breasts? (5, Funny)

Nefrayu (601593) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891775)

Star Trek, it seems, will now hang its future on a reliable formula: explosions and breasts.
Isn't this the same formula that caused all those lawsuits against the implant manufacturers?

I don't care what you think (1, Offtopic)

SteweyGriffin (634046) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891788)

Nemesis rocked!

I saw it several days ago, and it ROCKED!!! A friend of mine works at the local theatre and got me in during the screen test.

In my opinion, this blew the doors of all other TNG movies and most of TOS movies. It had great special effects (equaling that of Episode II), awesome storyline, great humor, plus some. But as usual, it focused mainly on Data and Picard with little action by the rest of the crew.

Re:I don't care what you think (3)

Nefrayu (601593) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891893)

I'd just like to point out that you obviously seem to be a big fan of the movie, yet you didn't support it in the least because you GOT IN FOR FREE!
If I could get in for free I'd probably watch more movies, and have more sympathy for those that aren't so good. But since they charge me $8 to watch something, I'd like to feel like I'm getting my money's worth.
GPL the next inevitable Star Trek movie script. Let people have input on it for 2 years before it's released, then release it for free. I'd go see it. :-)

Re:I don't care what you think (2)

kenthorvath (225950) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892047)

GPL the next inevitable Star Trek movie script. Let people have input on it for 2 years before it's released, then release it for free. I'd go see it. :-)

Oh, just what we needed: RMS in a starfleet uniform and Ballmer of Borg.

Re:I don't care what you think (2)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892131)

Oh, just what we needed: RMS in a starfleet uniform and Ballmer of Borg.

If they can fit Scotty into a uniform, they can fit Stallman...

Re:I don't care what you think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4892004)

I saw it several days ago, and it ROCKED!!! A friend of mine works at the local theatre and got me in during the screen test.

That's stealing. As for Data and Picard, what about it? All the other characters suck ass. In fact, everyone except Data sucks. I don't even like Picard that much. They should just spin-off Data into his own movies.

Re:I don't care what you think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4892031)

They should just spin-off Data into his own movies.

"Star Trek: The Adventures of Data"

This just in... (2)

spatrick_123 (459796) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891805)

463 of these people are regular /. readers... :-)

Trekkies, Get a Life. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891827)

There's been nothing good since the times of Picard. The one who likes the recent Start Trek movies or series, must have those Khan's sand worms in his/her head.

Sniff!

Sorts of people who bought the Locutians (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891859)

470 people have actually paid $5,000 apiece for a life-size replica of the villain Locutus

And two hundred of those people work in the White House.The other 270 were actually purchased by Fritz Hollings, who has 5 in his bathroom, 10 in his bedroom, with the rested acattered about his house and yard in various poses and states of undress.

Is it no wonder the country is in the poor shape it's in?

Interesting (1)

pardasaniman (585320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891868)

Rumour has it that this is the last star-trek.
Is it co-incidence that the last star-trek comes when IBM takes OS/2 off the shelves?

You are filled with your sense of self importance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891887)

You so fillled with your sense of self importance that you cannot discern the difference between what fascinates you and what fascinates others. Go take care of your wife, she deserves you more than we need you.

not just a bad star trek film... (1)

IlluminatedOne (621945) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891917)

This wasn't just a bad star trek film, it was a bad film period. Paramaount should have everyone not to make this film. I think the only reason it got made is to keep people watching syndicated TNG episodes and to buy complete season DVD sets. First Contact was the best of the TNG movies and should have been the last IMHO. "Nothing is true. Everything is permissible." - Mal the Younger, KSC

Inaccurate Data (5, Funny)

carb (611951) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891923)

470 people have actually paid $5,000 apiece for a life-size replica of the villain Locutus.

I think they're forgetting those of the 470 who bought two dolls to watch them make out with one another.

Re:Inaccurate Data (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4892120)

"make out" ?

in english we say fuck.

Phaser fights (2, Funny)

Do not eat (594588) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891934)

I still wonder why they bother with phaser shoot-out when you can usually just use the transporter and cause an 'accident' (telefrag)

nemesis (2, Troll)

in_ur_face (177250) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891944)

i'm sorry but nemesis was a good movie.

Fat weird comic store guy sez (1, Offtopic)

gelfling (6534) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891977)

You can't make fun of religion

It's no longer about quality (4, Interesting)

sacrilicious (316896) | more than 11 years ago | (#4891989)

And that my friends, is why Nemesis didn't even have to be a really good movie.

Precisely. Churning out these heavily advertised schlock movies is no longer about quality, and hasn't been for quite some time. Back when Star Wars prequel 1 was in the works I was working in the special effects industry, and a full year in advance of its release date I remember hearing from the higher-ups at Lucas that the movie was already guaranteed profitability, because of all the merchandising follow-ons and themed advertising partnerships that were already in place. It made me feel ill, and I have refused to go see prequel 1 or 2, and in fact will not see another star wars movie. I'd rather have the time for other experiences.

.

Star Wars anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4891993)

So they learned from George Lucas's book "How to turn 4bil without even trying that hard casue your fans will follow you off a cliff". Dont blame the studio, blame the fans for blinding following. If the fans stood up and said "hey we arent going to take this" then maybe the studios would listen and stop making movies that suck. But until then we are all going to have to put with bad movies.

Where are the Star Trek Wireless Phones? (5, Funny)

DavidBrown (177261) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892042)

Seriously. If people are spending money on Locutus of Borg dummies (how much would a lifesize, vibrating 7 of 9 go for?), you know that they would buy a PCS phone that looks like a classic trek communicator. Paramount can't be so much above being greedy that they cannot have figured this one out.

Then again, maybe that would push the creation of the Church of Star Trek, and if you watch Futurama, you know what that means...

Moderator Crackpots (1)

bluethundr (562578) | more than 11 years ago | (#4892087)



...OKay, I occasionally get MOD points which I really enjoy using. I usually focus on modding up/rather than down. It is completely solipsistic to use mod points to mod someone down just because you don't like what they have to say, just for expressing an opinion. Y0w! Isn't that what we're all here for?

The original post0r was doing just that. Exprssing an opinion, not intentionally fanning the flames of ignorance. Apparently that was the moderator's job in t1hs instance. Offopic? That shit was about as on-topic as you could want, tho brief, and not terribly expressive. That too is/should not be cause for an Offtopic mod. And if your MOD turns up on my meta-mod list, trust me my f1rend you will feel The Stark Fist of Removal [subgenius.com] .

Oh well. Moderating/Meta-Modding was phUn while it lasted but I felt it had to be said.
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