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Slashback: Tenacity, Freedomware, Lem

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the las-vegas-would-be-nice dept.

Slashback 338

Slashback brings you more on Solaris, the not-quite-dead OS/2, and free software you can sneak onto your Windows-running computer. Also, Home Depot turns to the dark side, and Hughes winds down its two-way Internet-by-satellite service. Read on below for the details. Update: 12/18 00:30 GMT by T : The Home Depot item got chopped by accident; it's been restored below. Update: 12/18 00:38 GMT by T : Sigh. And -- my fault for misreading -- Hughes is shutting down their DSL business; satellite service continues at least for now.

Honest, I'm not dead. Again. silvaran writes "A clarification on CNet News indicates that IBM will not stop supporting or selling OS/2 as mentioned previously. Says IBM spokesman Steve Eisenstadt, 'As long as our customers want OS/2, we will support them... We don't have plans to withdraw OS/2.' The withdrawal notice lists several hundred components or software packages that will no longer be available, but OS/2 itself will still be offered."

Like Marshall MacLuhan in Annie Hall. tree writes "The Boston Globe has a really interesting interview with Stanislaw Lem, author of the 1961 novel "Solaris": he is a bit baffled about the latest movie adaptation. In any event, it's a great read for fans of Lem."

They win, GNU Win, we all win. Shwag writes "Last week I downloaded TheOpenCD after it was on Slashdot. I learned about all kinds of great free (as in speech) software. I then searched for more and found out about GNU Win which is a win32 free software cd but it has way more software! Yay! This is a really great way to show people the benefits of free software and get them ready for transitioning to linux."

A platform built from an Acorn. An anonymous reader writes "The (London) Guardian's Online section reports today on the new Ionix PC earlier Slashdotted for being the first desktop to run Intel's XScale processor. The Guardian concentrates on how the new machine may revive the fading fortunes of the once-pioneering Risc OS, but also makes mention of the fact it is ditching old proprietary Acorn subsystems."

Woe to the boonie dwellers, until enough balloons are in place. Avenger writes "Another DSL provider is getting out of the market. Hughes Electronics has announced that they will no longer be providing high-speed Internet services. Over 160,000 users will be affected. As it stands right now, they still will be providing connectivity via DirecPC."

But it seemed like such a great do-it-yourself idea! adagioforstrings writes "You may recall last year Home Depot announced they were deploying Linux at 90,000 point-of-sale terminals across the nation. Well, time went by and no more was heard about it...until now, when Home Depot announced they would be upgrading their POS systems with technology from NCR Corp., and 360 Commerce Inc. and ... Microsoft Corp."

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FIRST POST!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4911861)

SUCK IT!!!!

So what about Home Depot? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4911873)

Did they turn invisible when they went to "the Dark Side" or something?

Re:So what about Home Depot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4911898)

They're just EVIL. That's all you need to know.

Re:So what about Home Depot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4911971)

Probably talking about this http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardwa re/story/0,10801,76511,00.html

Obviously.... (5, Funny)

raehl (609729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912121)

This is an attempt by the /. editors to counter the recent run of duplicate articles by omitting some articles entirely.

SLASHBACK EARLY POST - BOYCOTT FAGGOTS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4911880)

IN RESPONSE TO THE PREVIOUS ARTICLE

Tomarrow will be international boycott the faggots day. This day, Dec 18, will be a day to ignore people like RMS, Alan Cocks, anything associated with Linux, and especially ekrout [slashdot.org]. As he is a faggot.

Also, Clay Woolam is a faggot, so fuck him.

And the Home Depot info... (1)

F.O.Dobbs (17317) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911882)

I may be using a bleeding edge browser (Phoenix nightlies), but I do believe there seems to be missing content here.

F.O. Dobbs

kner is the new language (-1, Troll)

mhr003 (629333) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911886)

hey to all my nerds this is the new language im the masta in aim his name is raulfoo and he is the kneeer masta he shall teach ya what is is and how to use it just bow before him fore he is the best and leader of the nerd bunch

Wait... (4, Insightful)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911887)

What happened to Home Depot and the Dark Side?

Re:Wait... (2, Funny)

JJAnon (180699) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911921)

That's just it - there is no story. They went to the dark side because they didn't have a story for us to dissect and bitch about.

Re:Wait... (4, Funny)

mu_wtfo (224511) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911932)

I know, that was the main thing I wanted to read about.....?
I guess I'll just amke a story item up, then:
"Home Depot To Migrate All PC's, Registers, and Forklifts to Windows 3.11"
Now *that's* what I call the Dark Side.

Re:Wait... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912012)

How about:
Home Depot hires a sith CEO: You underestimate the power tools of the Dark Side!

Re:Wait... (5, Funny)

mu_wtfo (224511) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912053)

How about:
Home Depot hires a sith CEO: You underestimate the power tools of the Dark Side!


Mmmm, dark jedi circular saw.....

Re:Wait... (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912054)

"What happened to Home Depot and the Dark Side?"

Didn't Yoda make it pretty clear that when one attains enough power within the Dark Side that they can hide themselves from the Jedi?

Afterall, if the information doesn't exist in the Great Archive, then it simply doesn't exist!

Home Depot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912378)

Apparently Linux won't support "cross platform hardware" [DEC Alpha, AMD/Intel/ PPC, Motorola] but windows does [Amd/Intel]?
Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.


What, you expected a sensible response from the woman married to Tim the ToolMan?

Home Depot? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4911888)

Home Depot turns to the dark side? Is it just me or was there no mention of Home Depot in there anywhere?

Re:Home Depot? (3, Funny)

raehl (609729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912145)

In Soviet Russia, Dark Side turns to Home Depot!

They need to get the materials for their Imperial Starships and Death Stars somewhere, right?

Re:Home Depot? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912325)

In Soviet Russia, Dark Side turns to Home Depot! They need to get the materials for their Imperial Starships and Death Stars somewhere, right?

No, no, you've got it all wrong! The "In Soviet Russia" part goes in the subject, in all caps, and you can't make any additional pseudo-humorous comments in the body. Don't you know anything?

I'll bite, Timothy (2, Interesting)

SteweyGriffin (634046) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911894)

I realize you were trolling with your anti-IBM remarks, but I'll bite anyway.

Considering that OS/2 came out way back when Windows 3.1 was around, it's quite a remarkable OS. It supports multithreading as well as various other important and fairly advanced features, which is neat since it had these features nearly a decade ago.

It's important to remember that OS/2 is not Windows, nor does IBM want it to be. It is a very different environment that does take some getting used to. There are a lot of things I like about using OS/2, but there are a few things I like about using Windows too. One of the nicest things
about OS/2 is its ability to coexist with other operating systems on the same computer.

Now that really is a freedom of choice, one that many love about using Linux with Windows or *BSD with Windows or even dual-booting Windows/OS X.

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912015)

I think you mean Considering that the current version of OS/2 came out way back when Windows 3.1 was around

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (2)

reallocate (142797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912090)

Not true. OS/2 is at release 4, originally released in 1995, well after the release of Windows 3.1

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912018)

" it's quite a remarkable OS"

And shipped with a chess game that cheated! You can't move your king next to my Queen! For a company that was so far ahead of the times, you would think that they could write a decent chess game.

Oh well.

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (2)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912199)

For a company that was so far ahead of the times, you would think that they could write a decent chess game.

You mean like one that could be Kasparov or something?

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (2)

Archfeld (6757) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912200)

heck even the atari 2600 backgammon game cheated, thats not new....It was hilarious watching the game roll double 9's

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (3, Informative)

sobachatina (635055) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912029)

I think that you may have misinterpereted his "Almost dead" remark. I think it was referring to the recent /. article that IBM would be discontinuing OS/2. He wasn't trying to pick a fight with you.

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (2, Interesting)

rabtech (223758) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912080)

You seem to forget that Microsoft had the same thing when Windows 3.1 was out, and it was called Windows NT.

IBM and Microsoft co-developed OS2/WinNT, but disagreed on where the interface should go. Microsoft saw dramatic uptake of Windows 3.x and thought that would be a good road to plod down. IBM wanted to do their own thing. As a result, the groups split.

Microsoft won.

And here we sit today. Perhaps if IBM had done things Microsoft's way, the world would be a different place. For better or worse, I cannot say.

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (0, Offtopic)

b0r1s (170449) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912108)

I am a Slashdot subscriber. Are you?

No. Nor will I ever be. This site has very little quality news, little respect for journalistic integrity, horrible reliability, and the editors consistently insult their readers.

Why anyone would PAY for this site is beyond me.

No, I'm not a slashdot subscriber.. (2, Funny)

raehl (609729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912159)

But I hear Slashdot has a new promotion going, subscribe to one article, get the dupe for free!

Re:I'll bite, Timothy (3, Informative)

Trane Francks (10459) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912287)

Stewey, I have to agree about OS/2 being a remarkable OS. As an ex-IBMer, I guess I'm biased, but I truly believe that the VDM in OS/2 was a better DOS than DOS. The fine tuning you could do on the behaviour of DOS apps was incredible.

An example of this would be an app written using Borland's Turbo Vision framework. These apps poll for keyboard input like no tomorrow. Under any flavour of Windows, you can get the CPU useage down to about 50%, but no better. On OS/2, you could get CPU useage down to 1% and still have a nice, snappy response.

I ran a 3-node DOS-based BBS package (RemoteAccess) for several years and enjoyed it most when running under OS/2. Most of my apps were DOS apps and running them there was a far better experience than using DOS and DESQview.

Homer D Poe? (-1, Redundant)

cpthowdy (609034) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911904)

Where's the snippet for Home Depot? Just another attempt to get my hopes up? Thanks guys.

The Home Depot thing (5, Interesting)

lseltzer (311306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911962)

They're buying some Microsoft systems for point of sale [com.com].

Home Depot used to be one of those Java poster children that they trotted out at JavaOne, but I never saw any of it show up in the stores. To this day their systems, except for the actual registers, are straight out of the 70's. I think they're terminals connected to an HP/UX box.

Re:The Home Depot thing (3, Funny)

gimpboy (34912) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912027)

Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware.


this is pretty funny. i wonder if by cross-platform she means dell vs. gateway. really though, there is alot of support for linux (ibm, redhat) if you want it.

Re:The Home Depot thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912097)

A lot surly, but considerably LESS than Windows. The dev tools are also drasticly less quality with virtually nothing in the way of high-level libraries that allow you accounting, communication, or GUI APIs that are anything above the "OpenSocket" or "DrawButton" level. Some of you need to seriously get out in to the real world and see what is available for pay. It'll make what you have for free look like trash pickings.

Er, I think you miss his point. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912271)

How many platforms does Linux(tm) run on?

I don't even know where to start.
"Many plethoras."

How many platforms does windows run on?

x86. AI64. Arm. All that I am aware of.
"Three."

And the person basically called windows
more "cross-platform" than Linux(tm).

Re:Er, I think you miss his point. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912288)

What is the only platform that matters? x86.

Re:Er, I think you miss his point. (2)

gimpboy (34912) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912372)

then why did the person from home depot list "support if it [home depot] decided to use cross-platform hardware" as a reason for choosing windows? that was just a silly statement and suggests the person talking doesnt know what the hell is going on.

Re:The Home Depot thing (5, Funny)

Myco (473173) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912043)

Mildly OT, but what the hell, Karma's only a number... not even that, really... anyway:

Stopped into my local 7-11 the other day to use the ATM there. Rather than the expected greeting and prompt to insert my card, I see... a Windows desktop. 2K, IIRC. I just about bust out laughing right there in the store.

All About The Home Depot thing (5, Interesting)

Loundry (4143) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912178)

I'm an ex-employee of Home Depot. I worked in the IT department.

Yes, the registers, and practically all of the store systems, are connected to one of many different types of HP-UX boxes, depending on how old the store is. I heard tales of SSC (store support center, the HD headquarters just outside of Atlanta, GA) IT employees opening up those boxes and finding them totally packed with dust. As in, no more dust could fit in the case of the HP-UX box. But it still worked!

When I worked there, Java was all the rage and HD had lots of employees churning out millions of lines of shitty Java code that did a whole lot of nothing. Much of the real work was still done on MVS (that the IBM mainframe) in JCL, assembly, and whatnot. The UNIX work was in HP-(S)UX in, of all things, Informix 4GL.

When I was leaving, HD was seriously flirting with Linux. They had lots of cool linux machines running in one of the labs. I felt bad about leaving, but not really, since I was leaving to go work at a Linux shop doing Perl. HD hated Perl, or anything else that was "unsupported."

HD IT managers actually did a purge of all rouge Linux machines they found on the network maybe about a year or so before I was hired.

In my opinion, any flirting that HD has done with MSFT is due to the new CEO, Bob Nardelli. Talking to my old HD friends has revealed that he's making all sorts of really stupid changes, such as trying to turn 50% of all store employees into part-timers. (What? How are you supposed to have SMEs with so many part-timers?)

But before anyone forms any real opinions about HD, remember: HD is a retail shop, not a technology shop. People in IT there were, every few months or so, demanded that they "prove their worth." As far as the head retailers were concerned, IT was nothing more than a "cost center." If you want to work in technology, don't choose retail. You're going to be disappointed.

ha! Lowes doing things right (4, Interesting)

twitter (104583) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912398)

You say this about HD:
Much of the real work was still done on MVS (that the IBM mainframe) in JCL, assembly, and whatnot.

The other day, I had a look at a new looking terminal in the Lowes. It was some kind of IBM box, running X. The main aplication seemed to be .... a 3270 emulator. Ta-da! the sturdy old background process continues to run but they now have a reasonable desktop to add other applications if they feel like it. No hideous CompUSA adverts blaring, just a nice clean window manager. The terminal, by the way, looked to have all the expected IBM toughness. It was pleasing to see.

To all those people complaining about home depot.. (2)

sawilson (317999) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911964)

It's obvious they bought the acorn they built the
platform out of at home depot.

Home Depot and Microsoft??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4911975)

Home Depot and the Dark side [computerworld.com]

The Home Depot Inc. last week announced a 12-month rollout of new point-of-sale terminals and self-checkout stations that employ technology from NCR Corp., Microsoft Corp. and 360 Commerce Inc.

A few months back (re: free Windows software) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4911991)

someone asked for free software recommendations for Windows, and many people gave some great ideas, but damnit if I can't find the article on slashdot. Anybody have any better luck finding it? (I want to compile my own CD as well, or at least fill in the gaps the other CD's leave open).

dilemma (3, Funny)

zdzichu (100333) | more than 11 years ago | (#4911996)

-rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 825032208 gru 16 22:25 /tmp/solaris/CD1/vc-sol1.bin
-rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 170 gru 16 22:25 /tmp/solaris/CD1/vc-sol1.cue
-rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 220958640 gru 16 22:26 /tmp/solaris/CD2/vc-sol2.bin
-rw-r--r-- 1 zdzichu users 170 gru 16 22:26 /tmp/solaris/CD2/vc-sol2.cue

watch it or delete it?

Re:dilemma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912083)

/me was confused for a second... I thought I was looking at the solaris 9 iso's for a second weird...

dark side????? (0)

mhr003 (629333) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912002)

i thought the dark side was the good side, oh that explains why my distortion of my mind, my room has no light funneling into it so now my monitor is my only source of light oh poor me... also isnt home depot supposed to work on home improvement i can see there new title home depot now sponsors crush that stack of bricks with physcotic powers now only 49.99 with rebates im me at raulfoo to find out more information on the new language that is already spawning

Re:dark side????? (1)

lohl (634446) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912042)

ok............pretty sure i didnt understand anything u just said there..........

Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems (5, Informative)

stripmarkup (629598) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912013)

Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware

story [computerworld.com]

Lack of support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912052)

The irony, the irony...

Home centers are designed for the do-it-yourselfer who's willing to pay higher prices for the convenience of being able to shop for lumber, hardware, and toasters all in one location. Notice I say "shop for", as opposed to "obtain". This is the major drawback of home centers: they are always out of everything except artificial Christmas trees. The home center employees have no time to reorder merchandise because they are too busy applying little price stickers to every object -- every board, washer, nail and screw -- in the entire store ...
Let's say a piece in your toilet tank breaks, so you remove the broken part, take it to the home center, and ask an employee if he has a replacement. The employee, who has never is his life even seen the inside of a toilet tank, will peer at the broken part in very much the same way that a member of a primitive Amazon jungle tribe would look at an electronic calculator, and then say, "We're expecting a shipment of these sometime around the middle of next week".
-- Dave Barry, "The Taming of the Screw"

Re:Home Depot upgrades point-of-sale systems (2)

zulux (112259) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912298)

She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware

Yea, we all know who well Windows runs on big-endian boxes. Except for x86 is there anything else that Windows can run on?

And, I'm not talking about 'Pocket PC' on little ARM PDA's - AFAIK you still have to manage menory manually with Pocket PC. That shit became passe when Max OS 9 died.

"Also, Home Depot turns to the dark side" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912028)


um, they've gone from hardware to dark matter? so we know this post must be there yet cannot see it?

whither, timothy? or is this your tribute to lem?

Correction on Lem article (4, Informative)

marhar (66825) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912034)

The article said that Lem "had no intention of seeing the film". However, what Lem actually said was "I have not seen the film and I am not familiar with the script, hence I cannot say anything about the movie itself except for what the reviews reflect..."


From his offical website [cyberiad.info]

Re:Correction on Lem article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912387)

For the latest third and fourth-hand information, read Slashdot.

OS/2 isn't dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912087)

it has just passed into the shadow

Hughes == DirecTV (1)

fadden (469243) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912089)

Unless I'm greatly confused, Hughes DSL and DirecTV's broadband are the same thing. Or was the "another" comment referring to something other than the recent DirecTV announcement?

2-way Internet via Satellite (0)

KGB Kenny (238697) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912092)

It seems slashdot has gotten the news wrong...

DirecWay (2-way satellite) will still be offered. DirecTV DSL is a seperate division from Direcway, who will still be operating...

Please read the article about Hughes carefully! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912101)

The article does not say that Hughes is discontinuing its two-way satellite service, it says it's discontinuing its DSL (i.e. landline) service which was formerly Telocity. They're not going to agressively promote the satellite service and they might discontinue it in the future if they can't make money with it.

DirecWay NOT shutting down (2, Interesting)

zzxc (635106) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912102)

DirecTV's satellite-satellite service isn't shutting down, it's only their DSL service. Their DSL service was directvdsl or directv broadband, while their satellite-satellite service is DirecWay.

Lem does get a lousy deal (2, Informative)

CaptainCap (194813) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912105)

The Lem article talks about the botched communication and wounded love
of his Western audience. What's the big mystery?

I encountered plenty of American snobs in college who "liked"
Stanislaw Lem because, well, because he has the decency to NOT be an
American. Just thank God he is not an American science-fiction writer,
such as Heinlein (that Fascist!), or, well, any of those other guys
(Phillip K who?) that write science-fiction that can't be any good
because they are Americans so they can't be literary or
throught-provoking. Lem is foreign, so he just has to be deep.

I'm sure there was plenty of backlash against that kind of snobbism.

The poor guy never had a chance to get a quality audience in the US.

Include User Mode Linux! (3, Interesting)

sfraggle (212671) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912119)

Now that we have User Mode Linux [usermodelinux.org] that can run in User Space, would it be possible to get it to compile and run in CygWin? Then people could run Linux in their existing Windows system.


Just an evil thought I had.

The Whole is the Sum of its parts (2, Insightful)

snitty (308387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912138)

It seems that IBM is dancing around the issue here. They say that they will still support and sell OS/2, but they are not supporting large chunks of it.

It would be simmilar to microsoft saying that it will still sell windows, but if anyone has a problem with any of the components (IE, Control Pannels) they are out of luck.

It seems that IBM dosen't want to say that they aren't stopping, but they want to. They should bite the bullet and go one way, the other, or the GNU way.

Re:The Whole is the Sum of its parts (2, Funny)

muertos (570792) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912354)

It would be simmilar to microsoft saying that it will still sell windows, but if anyone has a problem with any of the components (IE, Control Pannels) they are out of luck.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Microsoft already operate that way?

"Solaris" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912146)

So, did we ever settle this?

Is it pronounced SOLE-ARE-US or SOLE-AIR-US?

Lack of drivers..... (2)

m0rph3us0 (549631) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912148)

"Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system. She said that with Linux, the company would have faced issues such as a lack of drivers and support if it decided to use cross-platform hardware." Umm... I don't see a plethora of Windows drivers for non-Intel computers. (Maybe they are talking about CE?). And the last time I checked Java still worked on Linux. Seems to be alot of FUD to me, because once your on non-x86 chips there seems to be much more hardware support in Linux than on Windows.

Excellent example of warm and fuzzy (5, Informative)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912280)

Here we have an excellent example of somebody doing something because they were not sure about what they were talking about. Hence take the "safe" bet and use Windows.

The problem with the statement she makes is that they would have a lack of drivers if they went cross-platform. So that means they have all the drivers on the i386 platform. Hence right now they are locked into i386. So since they were "locked" they might as well get locked totally and use Windows. Why, because at least it is supported!

To Jill Taylor this logic makes sense. However, to people outside it makes little sense since either route would end up at the same destination. The problem with her logic is that she is associating Linux with cross-platform and failure to do so as a strike against the platform. In other words in her mind Linux 1 Windows 2, when in fact the score is Linux 2 Windows 2.

It is funny when I am on panels and I make these comments on the bad logic within corporations many people take a hissy fit. The reality is that most people decide on funny logic like this.

Jill Taylor (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912355)

Jill Taylor, a director of engineering, said Home Depot considered Linux but settled on the "more mainstream" Windows operating system.

The wife of the Tool Man on TV's "Home Improvement", as portrayed by Patricia Richardson [morepower.com]? Probably not.

A conversation at Home Despot (4, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912149)

"I'm sorry sir, I can't check you out. You'll have to go to Ace Hardware."

"Why! I'M PAYING CASH!"

"My Supervisor told me that a "Crib Kitties" in the Maker? No, Servicer! Yea. He said that Norton would fix it and that he would give us a "lice update" when he was done. I think."

"Here, catch this hammer. Oops. Missed. Sorry.."

This could be a good use for P2P apps, to update drivers and make sure the lastest and bestest is on all machines....

bad moderators -- hughes story wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912161)

the hughes story is wrong -- they will still offer internet via satellite, the story is about them winding down DSL.

which makes this enry in slashback a repeat.

good going slashdot.

Transition to linux, eh? (1)

WiKKeSH (543962) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912173)

Yay! This is a really great way to show people the benefits of free software and get them ready for transitioning to linux.


That's funny... My only dependency to Windows is a GPL liscensed app.

VirtualDub.

There isn't a free (as in beer and speech) comparable app on any operating system.

Hell, there isn't a comparable commercial app on any operating system.

So, until there is an app as powerful as virtualdub available for linux, i'll be sticking to windows. :)

Perhaps not (4, Interesting)

shird (566377) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912180)

This is a really great way to show people the benefits of free software and get them ready for transitioning to linux

Either that, or they will realise that it is not Linux that is providing this 'great software', but GNU, and it is also available on Windows. So why bother to switch when they can have the best of both worlds: Good GUI, and all the same free GNU software thats available under Linux.

Well, now we have proof (5, Informative)

spacefrog (313816) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912181)

Well, now we have proof that the Slashdot editor's don't even read the damn articles.

The DirecTV deal has nothing to do with rural customers. Rural customers couldn't get DSL from them before they went out of business, either.

The DirecTV story does not apply to their satelite-based system (DirecWay/DirecPC). This is what the people in the boonies use. The article clearly states this.

Re:Well, now we have proof (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912376)

Well, now we have proof that the Slashdot editors don't even read the damn articles.

They sure don't look to see if the topic [slashdot.org] has been [slashdot.org] done [slashdot.org] to death [slashdot.org] on Slashdot.

The Cyberiad (5, Interesting)

Alomex (148003) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912198)


While Solaris might be the most famous book from Lem, I much prefer "The Cyberiad". The book is a mixture of Douglas Adams and Monthy Python, but at a higher level. Science fiction meets Guildernstein and Rosencratz.

Here are a few quotes:

"Everyone knows that dragons don't exist. But while this simplistic formulation may satisfy the layman, it does not suffice for the scientific mind. The School of Higher Neantical Nillity is in fact wholly unconcerned with what does exist. Indeed, the banality of existence has been so amply demonstrated, there is no need for us to discuss it any further here. The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way ... "

Pastoral poem on love and tensor algebra (with a little topology and higher calculus):

"Come let us hasten to a higher plane
Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn
Their indices bedecked from one to n
Commingled in an endless Markov chain."

"One day Trurl the constructor put together a machine that could create anything starting with n. When it was ready, he tried it out, ordering it to make needles, then nankeens and negligees, which it did, then nail the lot to narghiles filled with nepenthe and numerous other narcotics. The machine carried out his instructions to the letter. Still not completely sure of its ability, he had it produce, one after the other, nimbuses, noodles, nuclei, neutrons, naphtha, noses, nymphs, naiads and natrium. This last it could not do..."

OS/2 should open itself (2)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912203)

maybe that windows emulation layer could prove a useful study piece

Re:OS/2 should open itself (4, Informative)

Kevinv (21462) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912239)

won't happen. too much of the code was shared with Microsoft and is held in joint copyright.

What does this mean for LincSat? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912215)

Mentioned as an aside about DirecTV was this gem:

The company will continue to offer its Direcway service, which offers high-speed Internet access via satellite with over 160,000 subscribers, but it said it will not increase its subscriber base aggressively in an effort to avoid the costs associated with acquiring subscribers.

What does this mean for LincSat [lincsat.com]?. They got their service through Direcway. We had been thinking about LincSat for our business but aren't going to go with it if they're being shut down.

Freeware (3, Insightful)

Thatmushroom (447396) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912221)

I must confess, I believe the Gnuwin cd deserves a lot more accolades. I downloaded the Open-CD iso, but I realized that with the possible exception of OpenOffice, there really weren't any applications that the people I know might possibly interested in. The multiple compilers in one location would certainly create some interest, but the communication and games packages are the ones that make me want to give this CD to those who know very little about computing. Some will say this is good, some will say I'm inviting a wave of unclean, but if I can show my friends how easy it is to use free, open-source software, then they might avoid any purchases where they contribute to Microsoft, or any company that offers an inferior product to a free one. The fear of just trying something different kept me away from even considering Linux for a long time, and the knowledge and use of free programs like this removes a lot of the fear.

Sorry for rambling on like that.

Why I no longer frequent the Home Despot (4, Insightful)

RollingThunder (88952) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912228)

It used to be a no-brainer - Home Depot in Vancouver was open 24 hours, great selection, and a little bit closer to me than the nearest comparably sized Revy store.

Sure, a little bit of me didn't like shopping at a US firm when there was a Canadian firm, but at 2 AM, you don't have much choice, and for some reason I always seem to end up going and getting lumber and crap for things I'm working on at 2 AM.

Then one day, HD announced they were going stock only from 2 AM to 5 AM. Fine, I thought. No biggie. I'll just try to get there earlier.

Then it was midnight to six.

Then ten to six it was closed. Now it's the same hours as Revy.

Then they "expanded their aisles to make shopping better". Nice doublespeak for "we dropped twenty percent of our stock"!

Creature of habit that I am, I kept going there. I'm uncomfortably reminded of "how to boil a frog"... but one day, I wander into Revy on a quest for the holy rivet.

OK, not that holy. I just needed some damn copper rivets. HD had nothing. I go into Revy, and they have not just one or two but dozens of types of rivets. I realized then how bad I'd been getting it at HD. Never going back there again!

OS/2 acp2 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912229)

Just some fun facts.. OS/2 acp2 was released in jan.2002. It can run a complete gnu enviromnent (gcc, shell/text/file utilities, latest XFree..etc), its got VirtualPC 5.1 so you can run a virtual Linux or Win9x/nt/xp on your OS/2 desktop, a sweet textmode mp3 player that can search through all the online mp3-streams for streams that interest you (theres also gui players...). OS/2 acp2 and VirtualPC are the only thing you have to buy, everything else is free.. although, if you hang out in the right places, you can get it all for free. oh yea, kernel updates are being released every month or so... its really a nice alternative OS.

"GNU-win" name (3, Funny)

diaphanous (1806) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912252)

RMS dislikes the use of "win" to refer to the MS Windows platform because he regards using MS Windows as a loss [tuxedo.org], not a win [tuxedo.org]. So in the GNU Emacs source code, all variables and functions in the MS Windows port that had been named win32-* were changed to w32-*.

Additionally, In the Emacs manual, "MS-DOG" is used to reference MS-DOS.

~Phillip

Re:"GNU-win" name (1)

Eric Smith (4379) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912339)

Additionally, In the Emacs manual, "MS-DOG" is used to reference MS-DOS.
Just a typo. :-)

WAHT IS FAWK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912274)

lamers.

Sun's flagship teetering? (5, Funny)

Dr. Mu (603661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912282)

To quote the lead-in:
Slashback brings you more on Solaris, the not-quite-dead OS . . .

It's no Home Depot... (2, Informative)

dcuny (613699) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912330)

But I visited the local Burlington Coat Factory, and was admiring the cute lcd monitors atop the registers. About the size of my I-Opener screen.

So I had a look at the screen, and was suprised to find a Red Hat icon instead of a Start button in the lower left hand corner.

This turns out to be old news [computerworld.com], but still a pleasant surprise.

Get over it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4912369)

Linux is a joke.

I'll never shop at Home Depot again! (4, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4912386)


They're evil because they're cash registers run an OS I don't like!
</SARCASM>

What's that about freedom of choice again?

Here's a corporation that actually considered the alternative, and for whatever their reasons, right or wrong, decided it was inferior.

How about instead of condemning them, the community looks to the reasons that linux lost a fair fight and addresses them?
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