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DVD Player as 802.11b Peripheral

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the now-thats-using-your-noodle dept.

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sysadmn writes "Instead of building a PVR from a computer, why not let your DVD player access the computer you already have? That's the thinking behind Sonicblue's new Go-Video D2730. The just-announced DVD player will use an 802.11b (Wi-Fi) wireless network connection to access content on PCs, such as photos, music and videos. The player is aggressively priced at about $250 US and is due out in first quarter 2003. Full details are on CNET."

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first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923660)

forst pist

Is this really priced competatively? (0)

ikewillis (586793) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923663)

For the same price you could put together a cheap computer which could decode media in formats this player isn't likely to support (i.e. DivX) This seems like it's a bit too high tech for Joe Sixpack, but not priced competatively for today's stylish geek on the go.

Re:Is this really priced competatively? (2, Insightful)

TurdTapper (608491) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923698)

For only 250, this would seem like a really good idea for the general public. Those that aren't going to worry about the different formats.

Sometimes the price is worth it, and 250 compared to some of the hassle seems pretty cheap to me.

Re:Is this really priced competatively? (4, Interesting)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923951)

Well firstly your solution presumes that one's time is free: If you put a value on the hours you spend putting the system together, configuring all of the software, etc, suddenly it isn't economical. Rather than seeing it as a hobbyist, think "If I were to go into business making these for other people, what would I charge?". I suspect that you'd be surprized. Of course on top of all of that is the expense and availability issues in finding a "stereo component" sized computer case that integrates into an AV system (no dropping a giant beige case sputtering away with a dozen fans isn't viable).

Secondarily, it's highly likely that they're using one of the new Sigma Designs chipsets [sigmadesigns.com] , the new one which includes some Divx support. Indeed if I were to build a PC based playback device (the only thing holding me back is the case, as previously mentioned. For fans I'd reduce that by using a Via C3 with passive cooling), I'd base it around a Sigma Designs XCard [sigmadesigns.com] .

Re:Is this really priced competatively? (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924001)

"no dropping a giant beige case sputtering away with a dozen fans isn't viable"

hey! it's worked for Dell, Hateway, HP, Compaq etc etc etc

Pr0n In the Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923666)

Got a WAP right above my desk. Free pr0n for everyone!

Re:Pr0n In the Office (1)

yelloh99 (619315) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923953)

I've always wondered, is there a filter for the word porn , or do people just self censor?

Wouldn't want to risk it (2, Informative)

ekrout (139379) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923668)

Every product that I've ever bought from SonicBlue has been malformed and returned to sender.

The technology sounds cool, but I'll probably wait until it's available from another vendor.

Re:Wouldn't want to risk it (2)

fatwreckfan (322865) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923697)

I have a Rio Volt (which is made by SonicBlue unless I'm mistaken) and I've had no problems with it whatsoever. Maybe I was just lucky?

Re:Wouldn't want to risk it (2)

prator (71051) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923887)

Those are actually made by iRiver [iriveramerica.com] .


-prator

Re:Wouldn't want to risk it (2)

dschuetz (10924) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923733)

I've had good luck with four Rio / SonicBlue items -- three Rio Receivers (MP3/ethernet/stereo components) and a Rio Riot (20G portable MP3 player).

Plus, a lot of what they do is linux based, so this might be hackable. If so, and if this avoids a noisy fan, it might be a great set-top box "terminal" for a centralized PVR system. Maybe. (I haven't read the article yet).

Re:Wouldn't want to risk it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923915)

+2 yet he admits he hasnt read the article? Rearrange the following words "moderators", "crack", "on", "sucking", "pipe"

Re:Wouldn't want to risk it (2)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923825)

I've never had a problem with my ReplayTV. Perhaps you've had incredibly back luck?

Re:Wouldn't want to risk it (2)

wurp (51446) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923922)

What's your experience with your Replay tv? I have a Tivo, and the Replay is tempting to me because of the extra features. But... I've heard that Replay is not very good about always recording season passes.

Does your Replay record what you want it to record? Is it convenient to find new programs to record and set them up?

ReplayTV (3, Interesting)

crow (16139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924018)

I love my ReplayTV. There are two priority levels: Non-guaranteed and Guaranteed. If you guarantee a recording, it will reserve hard drive space for the show and it will record it. It won't let you set two guaranteed shows for the same timeslot. The only time you run into problems is when the network shifts the schedule slightly so that two shows overlap when they normally wouldn't.

As to finding new shows, you can do a search fairly easily, and you can browse the guide. It's trivial to tell it to record something, and also trivial to change the settings on something already scheduled.

What Replay lacks is a to-do list. So if you have a bunch of non-guaranteed things (like my wife's "Shakespeare" theme or my "Stargate" theme), it will pick the one to record using a fairly cryptic algorithm (which one starts first; which one is on a lower channel; which theme was create first).

Re:Wouldn't want to risk it (2)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924106)

THe only time I have any trouble is when a show is preempted for basketball. Even then, with the show being relocated to Saturday afternoon, the Replay usually catches it. I have no trouble finding shows either through browsing the listings, or by using the search function. I don't make much use of the Replay Channels feature, but I can see where it would be useful. Very satisfied with it, over all.

Re:Wouldn't want to risk it (4, Funny)

yelloh99 (619315) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923835)

I agree, I bought a cd player with 30 seconds of memory. So now when I hit a bump I hear the skip 30 seconds later.

fp! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923670)

my first post!

I do this already (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923671)

I dont have any movie dvds, but I have a couple of data dvds. One of my computers doesnt have a DVD rom, so to read dvds on it, I insert a dvd in to my laptop, SSH into it (over my home network) and copy files to my main computer.

Is This Story For Real? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923672)

Considering slashdot also posts hoaxes without correcting or retracting them, [slashdot.org] is any slashdot story credible or believable now?

Can this site be taken seriously anymore?

I seriously doubt it. You guys are jokes now.

Re:Is This Story For Real? (0, Offtopic)

91degrees (207121) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923711)

"CD: It seems that I might have fallen for a hoax. Doh!"

Right there, after the text. I think that may be a correction.

Fast enough? (4, Interesting)

gzsfrk (519324) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923673)

I notice on home home 802.11b network that the 11mbps connection between my den PC and upstairs office PC is nowhere near fast enough to stream high quality compressed digital video (e.g. DivX). How is this player going to be able to pull it off?

Re:Fast enough? (5, Informative)

phurley (65499) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923715)

802.11b is plenty fast to stream DivX. Now as some point you could have too many players (and other 802.11b devices) in a home (possibly a bigger problem in apartment buildings?) trying to share the same bandwidth.

Re:Fast enough? (5, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923753)

A DVD quality SVCD runs at arounf 3000 kbps (around 3 Mbps), and a simmilar quality DivX around 1500 kbps (1.5 Mbps). So I don't know what you are doing at your place, but a 11 Mbps conneciton should handle them just fine. In face, my 10 Mbps nic can play a SVCD over the LAN perfectly.

Re:Fast enough? (4, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923882)

11Mbps is the through the air "wire" speed that is the maximum speed that all data is being sent. The amount of usefull data on even the best .11b equipment is about 6.3Mbps or ~700KB/s which should be more then enough for DivX and even most MPEG2 streams but some could theoretically be 9.8Mbps but average 4.7 Mbps typical rate for movie on single layer with 3 multichannel audio tracks.

Re:Fast enough? (4, Informative)

genka (148122) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923904)

11Mbps is a "marketing number". The protocol has a lot of overhead- data that is transmitted for servicing the connection. When it comes to speed 802.11B is moving your data (payload), it is about 3-4 MBps, shared between two directions.

Re:Fast enough? (1)

dereklam (621517) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923919)

The bandwidth also doesn't take into account the time needed to encrypt and decrypt the packets, assuming you've locked down your wireless AP.

Re:Fast enough? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923985)

He said his connection does 11 millibps, not 11 megabps.

Re:Fast enough? (5, Interesting)

Hayzeus (596826) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923782)

11MBPS is probably fast enough; however, it's worth pointing out that 11MBPS isn't guaranteed by 802.11B. In fact, the connection speed can fall back to fairly slow speeds in the presence of a less than perfect RF link. I can't recall the bottom end off hand (1MBPS?).

It may be that you are seeing partial signal blockage or reflectance problems between your office and den. Try using something to benchmark the actual connection speed (if you haven't done so already).

Re:Fast enough? (4, Funny)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923834)

Are your floors or ceilings made of metal, per chance?

Re:Fast enough? (2)

xchino (591175) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923993)

11 Mps may be fast enough to stream a high quality divx movie, but not if you're using your network for anything else. I stream movies all the time from one room to another over 80.11b, and it usually works ok. However, if I'm d/ling from IRC or Kazaa or something, it begins to get quite choppy, and usually desynchronizes the sound. If you have a second computer pulling the stream, it becomes unwatchable on both. If you ever have gotten 11Mbps over 802.11b than you're as cool as the guy that always connects at 56.7Kpbs. My experience shows that ~9Mpbs is average, and anything above 10Mps flat is excellent.

Re:Fast enough? (1)

holeydonut (60645) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924035)

I've had this issue as well, it seems that if I have two components using 802.11b to access the network, then transfer speeds between the two machines creeps to a halt. I do not think that it has to do with signal strength, but I suspect that may be the case. In any case, the result is that I cannot transfer a 192 kbps MP3 file without jitter and skipping.

Transfers where only one device is wireless go much more quickly. In case it matters, the clients are using the Linksys WPC11 PCMCIA cards and the access point is a Linksys BWFW11S4 combination router/accesspoint.

Re:Fast enough? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4924116)

This box will not play DivX -- at least, according to the news.com article. It will only play MPEG1 and 2 (for video) and WMA and MP3 (for audio).

That means that to play back MPEG2, you're really going to be talking about 320x240 or 480x480 (SVCD) res. only... 640x480 will be too big to fit in WiFi.

Of course, from the news.com article it's clear that WiFi is an OPTION, not default-- default is 10/100 Ethernet.

All of this is interesting, but if you have a PlayStation 2, you would be much better off buying QCast from BroadQ -- www.broadq.com -- which allows your PS2 to pull OGG, MP3, JPG, MPG1/2/4, DivX 3, 4, and 5 and more off your PC...

That, and it will be able to do progressive output, HD resolution (with component cabling), and is future-proof (software upgradable)...

Oh, and it's $49.95 -- if you have a PS2 and a Network Adapter, and the PS2 already plays DVD's!!!!

Not to mention the obvious... you can play games on your PS2!!!

I have this software, and it rocks. Why it's not covered on /. or elsewhere is totally beyond me...

WELL NOW...! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923678)

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This is Michael Sims (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923842)

I confess, I enjoy having sex with 7 year old boys. I also sucked CmdrTaco's cock to get this job. Ohhh, it feels so much better now that I have confessed.

Maybe I've overlooked something... (5, Informative)

CommieLib (468883) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923679)

But how does this relate to PVR? Allowing my DVD player to access PC content doesn't allow me to PVR, as far as I can tell. The article mentioned plans to network to Replay TV, but that's not what you're saying here.

Did I miss something?

Re:Maybe I've overlooked something... (2, Interesting)

wachusett (635509) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923954)

That was my first reaction; I thought I'd misread something.

But maybe what they're suggesting is that if you use your PC (with a tuner card) to record digital content, and then can access that through your DVD player. Which effectively lets you use your PC as a PVR, without the hassle of burning DVDs or VCDs to play on your DVD player. You can also download or trade shows over the internet with your PC.

That'd be cool.

Is it worth the $$? (2)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923682)

"The player is aggressively priced at about $250 US and is due out in first quarter 2003."

Or you could just buy a DVD player for $50 at WalMart. Is the geek-factor really worth the additional $200?

Re:Is it worth the $$? (2)

birder (61402) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923959)

It's more a replacement for a DVD burner.The idea is to stream your pirated DivX movies from your PC to your televsion.

Dude, that was my business plan (1)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923684)

Too bad I never got around to actually do anything.

Check out Rubik [mono211.com] by Mosaik. Oh so lush.

Ethernet, 802.11b add-on (5, Informative)

crow (16139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923686)

The posting is misleading. The item comes with an ethernet port, but support for 802.11b will require an additional piece of hardware. I'm not clear from the information available if it will just use a PCMCIA slot or something else.

Re:Ethernet, 802.11b add-on (5, Interesting)

stevel (64802) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923750)

It's even more misleading than it first appears - the article discusses a DVD player that allows display of content from your networked PC. The only reference to PVRs is a mention that ReplayTV boxes from the same company also offer network connectivity. There's nothing PVR-related in this announcement at all.

Don't people actually read the articles they point to before posting here?

Re:Ethernet, 802.11b add-on (3, Interesting)

ThrasherTT (87841) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923800)

Some (all?) of the editors don't even read the front page before posting news... how can they be expected to read the article?

Re:Ethernet, 802.11b add-on (1)

crow (16139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923829)

The PVR connection is the idea of the poster, not the article. The person who submitted the story thought that one good application of this device is as a display slave for a home-brew PVR on your PC in another room. I've been following the ReplayTV discussion at another site, and people are excited about using these as remote display tools for both their PCs and their their PVRs.

Re:Ethernet, 802.11b add-on (1)

brandorf (586083) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923986)

To be honest, it does not seem to be any different from the software kit availiable for the PS2 that allows you to play files from a host computer once you have the network adaptor.

I wonder... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923688)

if it could access my favorite websites like Slashdot [slashdot.org] and theBubbler [thebubbler.com] .

Now that would make it worth while investing in.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923709)

Wow, theBubbler [thebubbler.com] is loaded with a ton of crap. If you could put some slashdot type form into theBubbler [thebubbler.com] it would be one awesome site.

Re:I wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923741)

theBubbler [thebubbler.com] isnt a tech site, or a geek site, so I think that bloggs would be better on this type of site. Also, it's completely based on Wisconsin and related Wisconsin info/direcories. None the less, it's still an awesome site

Re:I wonder... (-1, Offtopic)

cyberclopse (633620) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923998)

I just visited theBubbler [thebubbler.com] and it's one of the most interesting sites I've seen on the net in a long time. It's got a completely different take on the web than most site's I've seen. Very interesting.

So what? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923691)

Instead, why not just spend $50 bucks and do this on your Playstation 2?

Q Cast Player [broadq.com]

This thing rocks, by the way.

And the ps2 network adapter... (1)

WestieDog (592175) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923827)

You forgot to mention that you need to buy the 'official' ps2 ethernet adapter also. It wouldn't be a big deal but originally Qcast said that you could use a usb adaptor. I allready have a usb nic for ps2's madden 2003 and it works great. I refuse to replace it just because Qcast is too cheap to buy the development kit!

Re:So what? (1)

ThrasherTT (87841) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923872)

Holy crap. Is this thing a PVR too? It seems to say something about TV capture on the site, but it isn't clear (which means it probably doesn't). Otherwise, it looks really damn cool.

Free movies! (4, Funny)

JasonMaggini (190142) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923708)

All you have to do is make a Pringles-can antenna and drive around for a while...

XVID (0)

aivic (468344) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923710)

Niceeeee... Watching XVID's is never been easier with this genius of an invention

Perfect... (4, Funny)

cybermace5 (446439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923713)

This is wonderful. Now, in addition to DDOS attacks and hacking by the RIAA, we can have wardriving by the MPAA!

Cool idea, but... (1)

Mephie (582671) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923720)

That's a pretty cool idea, but especially for (downloaded) movies and the like, wouldn't image scaling be a bit of an issue? Blowing a 640x480 (or often much smaller) picture to fit on even, say, a 27" TV seems like it'd make the image awfully grainy.

Also, wouldn't it be theoretically possible to take over someone else's DVD player if they don't set up decent security? Definitely interesting idea, but it's sure to have its issues.

Re:Cool idea, but... (1)

chaidawg (170956) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923804)

I could be wrong, but I think the native resolution of a standard television is 640x480. It is only on HDTV that you begin to get resolutions similar to computer monitors

Full PAL is 720x576 (2)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923816)

interlaced

Re:Cool idea, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923832)

On a normal 27" TV (I don't know much about HDTV), the resolution is rather low compared to a computer monitor. What you're normally seeing is about the equivalent of 640x480. At least I know it's low, someone with more knowledge of NTSC can give you better figures.

Re:Cool idea, but... (2, Informative)

CaptMonkeyDLuffy (623905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923861)

Actually, any image with a resolution higher than 640x480 would be wasted on most TV's... I forgot the exact resolution that a standard TV signal is, but it is approximately 640x480(in addition to being only 30hz interlaced...) Now, the more recent HDTV's and such are a different story, one I'm not very familiar with... but your standard TV wouldn't need any improvement to the image provided to it.

Re:Cool idea, but... (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923928)

512x384 interlaced on an NTSC set, 720x? PAL (cant think of it right now).

VCD and SVCD are both well below that resolution and look fine.

"full details" - not (1, Redundant)

jridley (9305) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923721)

It just says you can "access media" from your PC. No word on what it supports. MPG-1, certainly. WMV, maybe. DivX3, almost certainly not. OGM/XviD, again, probably not.

Also, thankfully the default is ethernet, 802.11 is an option (that I'm not interested in - too slow)

I'm still going to build a PC for my entertainment center - then I can play what I want including FUTURE formats.

Re:"full details" - not (1)

bigdady92 (635263) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923895)

but will it do gigabit ethernet...streaming pr0n at the speed of fibre..

This can't be for a DVD-R... (0)

twofidyKidd (615722) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923736)

Could it? That's pretty damn cheap for a Wi-Fi enabled burner. Because if it's not a burner, than what the hell does this have to do with a PVR...

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923744)

The DVD players access you!

Illegal? (4, Interesting)

ottffssent (18387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923754)

I could have sworn it was illegal (or at least against some shrinkwrap EULA mumbo-jumbo) to play a DVD over any sort of wireless link. It came up during Microsoft's massively ill-conceived tablet PC thing, I believe.

Re:Illegal? (1)

lynx_user_abroad (323975) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923891)

PacketVideo claims to own a patent to video over wireless. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

Re:Illegal? (3, Informative)

afidel (530433) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923916)

Not illegal, more against the liscense from the DVD Forum that companies have to sign to get a valid CSS decryption key. There are technologies that the DVD Forum does not think can be properly secured so they do not want content going across them. Besides this is for reading data off a pc through the DVD player to the TV, not for transfering the DVD data to the PC. This thing is basically a DVD player with a network jack that allows the same kind of multimedia features as some of the current players that can play SVCD's, mp3 cd's and have CF and MMC readers so they can display jpegs from your digital camera. Basically an all in one media center that uses the tv for a display. Since my pc is already in the living room and hooked up to the S-Video port on the tv this does nothing for me personally but some people don't have the pc in the living room and want to keep it that way so this would allow them to access all that stuff off the pc upstairs (with a 802.11b wireless bridge attached to the network port I would assume).

Definetely Illegal . . . . . (1)

mofu (609230) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924041)

Read the FBI warning at the beginning of any commercial DVD.

Strictly prohibits the rebroadcast of the contents.

Then again maybe someone should add a pay-per-view video streaming service to their WiFi ISP service offerings. . . .

Consumer Electronics vs PC (2, Interesting)

sheddd (592499) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923763)

Is really what's going on here. I saw lots've guys at comdex showing off new DVD players / etc that do new things. They seem to think that the average shmo will want to use their remote control rather than learning how to do the equivalent with their PC.

I think they're dead wrong; look at the device this article mentions.

"The Go-Video D2730 player's software will let consumers view content on their television that's stored on their PC using a remote control for navigation. The customer will be able to stream music files and other content on the DVD player. "

Hmm, what protocol does it use for filesharing? Netbios on a WiFi network? Will it play my ogg files? My DivX? My png photos? You can put together a shuttle SV-24 with a dvd player and a 6 channel sound card for about the same price they're quoting; that's what I use at home and I'm quite happy with it (except for the fact my TV won't do more than 640x480). If I were a gambling man, I'd sell sonicblue's stock [nasdaq.com] short and profit from their stupidity.

Re:Consumer Electronics vs PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4924002)

Well, here's the only problem. Walk up to random person on the street, and if they're not a techie themselves (and yes, non-techies *do* exist!), ask them about protocols for filesharing, or Netbios on a WiFi network. Ask them if they know what Ogg is, or what a PNG is. Ask them if they care.

Most people don't really give a damn about protocols or filetypes as long as they can plug it in and play. They're happy with plain old JPGs and MP3s, because they work and they don't have to think about it. That's why they'll buy this player.

What will it play? (2)

Havokmon (89874) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924003)

Will it play my ogg files? My DivX? My png photos?

Yeah, people are going to be pissed when they discover the tunes they so easily ripped from their CD's via WMP won't work through the SonicBlue DVD player because it doesn't have a license for them..

Re:Consumer Electronics vs PC (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4924129)

Hello. Earth to slashdot crowd. 99% of the public doesn't use "ogg" files. 99% of the public is never going to use "ogg" files. Don't expect product manufacturers to care all that much. NOT VALID CRITICISM.

Re:Consumer Electronics vs PC (1)

Nerftoe (74385) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924140)

I'd sell sonicblue's stock [nasdaq.com] short and profit from their stupidity.

Unless the rules have changed, you cannot short a stock once it falls below $5. Since Sonicblue is trading at around 55 cents, shorting would probably be impossible.

TV-out card? (2)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923771)

Most video cards with TV-out are cheaper than this. GF4 for example - via S-video, with optional conversion to RCA-style connector, and a booster to bypass Macrovision issues if connected to a VCR (or in my case, an old BETA machine). Combined with a PC DVD-ROM and you can play everything just fine.

Granted, wireless is pretty cool, but this seems to be not-entirely-useful in a comparative aspect... unless your computer is beyond TV proximity.

Nice thing about computers though - people may biatch about the cost, the the addons sometimes replace home electronics more cheaply. PC DVD-ROM's were a helluva lot cheaper than console ones for a loooong time, and you can play around with them more.

What does this have to do w/ a DVD player? (1)

UnixFerEver (221392) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923775)

Its nice, I guess, but the PC connectivity features don't seem to leverage off the DVD player at all. The only connection I see is that a DVD player is something that you are going to want in your home theater anyway, so at least you don't need another box in your system.

Blame your neighbor. (5, Funny)

jdludlow (316515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923785)

But honey, I swear that the DVD player just started pumping out pron on its own!

integration (2)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923803)

This certainly isn't the first integration of PC and TV in a consumer product. I own a SliMP3 and the Qcast Tuner software for PS2.

I wonder how long it will be before these types of devices which play media files from your PC onto your TV/stereo system are considered "mainstream".?

I think that the more of these enabling (sorry to use that cheesy buzword) media technologies there are, the better. I doubt however that the MPAA and RIAA share that view. They're bound to step in with heavy handed tactics sooner or later. Just look at how they responded to DeCSS - software which allows consumers to watch DVD's on platforms that they do not control. Seems like this is right up their litigation alley.

Just my two cents.

not integrated 802.11b (4, Informative)

asv108 (141455) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923811)

From the Article

Sonicblue's DVD player will be able to connect to networks via an Ethernet connection. Consumers will be able to purchase 802.11b PC cards to connect the player to a PC using wireless networking

Re:not integrated 802.11b (1)

bigdady92 (635263) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923863)

waste...use 802.11a in Turbo/Hyper/Super mode (72mb/s) and THEN we can talk about GOOD streaming DVD material...I can watch a full screen DIVX movie with my 802.11a WAP easier than i can with 802.11b and with less choppy interference. I love being able to sit on the crapper with my laptop and watch a full blown movie while my servers are grabbing some Kazaa goodness..

Re:not integrated 802.11b (2)

4/3PI*R^3 (102276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923883)

which translates into "Sonic Blue will find the cheapest no-name Taiwanese made 802.11b card, place a proprietary adapter on it and charge you $200 bucks additional!!!"

Here's why you want to DIY instead of BUY (5, Insightful)

4/3PI*R^3 (102276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923814)

From the Sonic Blue web page:
SONICblue reserves the right to automatically add, modify, or disable any features in the operating software when your ReplayTV 5000 connects to our server.

Translated:
We will sell you this box with a list of features you want but once the *AA gets congress to pass favorable laws, wins a court battle, or becomes a major shareholder in our business we will promptly castrate your box without sending you one penny in refund.

Ignorant fucking moderation (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923940)

WTF, OFFTOPIC!!!!

Read the first fsking sentence in the story you incompentent, inbread, 3-toed, web-footed, slack-jawed pig fsker!!!

Instead of building a PVR from a computer, why not let your DVD player access the computer you already have?

For the incompentent, inbread, 3-toed, web-footed, slack-jawed pig fsker -- DIY means "Do It Yourself" in other words BUILD!!!

In the infamous words of Beavis -- "Dumb Ass!!!"

802.11b too slow (3, Interesting)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923862)

Ok, now put your calculators away here... I'm going to talk about how things look like and how they feel, not if a link can mathmaticly support bitrate X.

I've found that trying to stream anything worthwild over a .11b link is just too iffy. I often stream video files from my server to whereever I am sitting with the laptop. With the netgear card reporting a full speed connect at ~60% signal strength and 100% quality it is kind-of jerky at times. I know I'm pushing the limits of what that little wireless connect can do.

Now I can deal with it for now because I'm not expecting it to perform perfectly. However, what is going to happen when Joe Consumer picks one of these up, hooks in the wireless part and tries to stream his DVD rip collection and it gets .3FPS?

Answer: You get one very unhappy Joe Consumer.

I believe that people will expect this thing to do more then it can, and I doubt that sonic will be up front and tell people about this limitation.

Makes me think of a car dealer trying to sell a car for use on interstate highways but the car can only go 45MPH. Sure it works, but it isn't quite what you expected now is it?

Re:802.11b too slow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4924015)

I never had any problems with MPEG, AVI, DIVX. This is with remote desktop and file transfers going and 3 devices on the wireless network. Maybe you run your microwave too much?

Sonicblue jumps the gun again (3, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923889)

Sonicblue has a history of trying to add cool features to unrefined products. The title is misleading since 802.11b requires an additional purchase. Last month I decided to get a PVR. Sonicblue's replay tv 5000 had some real cool features, but the interface sucked. Interface is extremly important in consumer applications such as a cell phone or PVR. I ended up getting a tivo after i learned that you can use usb ethernet adaptors with the series 2. Anyway, my point is sonicblue has a history of sticking some cool features in a completely unrefined product.

WAR viewing here I come (3, Insightful)

4/3PI*R^3 (102276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923896)

Who wants to bet the SSID will be hard coded and it probably won't support WEP (and if it does support WEP the key will be hard coded) beceause most l^Husers won't be able to figure out how to make this work.

So all I need is a laptop with an 802.11b card and a couple of people in my neigborhood with HBO and an penchant for "The Sopranos"!!!!

Rendesvous? (1)

snitty (308387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923901)

Hopefully this has ZeroConf or it could be added. Imagine having an 802.11 DVD player, seamlessly networked with your Panasonic Plasma TV.

It really seams like we are going to see a revolution in networked aplicances, finally, and it dosen't look like bluetooth is going to be the springboard.

So far, if I recall, Panasonic and at least 2 other companies have jumped onto the ZeroConf [zeroconf.org] bandwagon. This includes some stero equipment along with TVs from Panasonic which support slide shows sent from the TV.

Are you excited?

This is in no way a PVR... (2)

xchino (591175) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923937)

If it was a dvd writer that would be different, but remember the "R" in PVR stands for Recorder, not player. I think this would be a great idea for a DVD-R, and I'd snatch it up! Unfotunately it's not, it's not even that useful as is. 11 Mb/s is awfully slow to be streaming video, but the ethernet could be an option. However, if you were going to go that route (ie running wires), it'd still be cheaper and more effective just to buy a Tuner card and send whatever to your TV via Composite or Svideo.

I think this product relies more on it's "cool" factor than it's usability. DVD Player competition is tight, and they seem to be really reaching for new features. Next I'm sure we'll start seeing dvd in Custom translucent color cases, or come with Madonna's signature for an extra $50..

DVD quality throughput? (4, Interesting)

beest (200570) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923938)

From tests I've done in the past with DVD quality streaming, wireless networks such as 802.11b can not support the throughput required. I've had DVD's max out at 13 MB/s. 802.11b can only send 11 Mb/s not including overhead which is greater than 802.3 in the first place...

what a great idea!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4923975)

in soviet russia the dvd player uses YOU as a periphrial

Got a PS2? (1)

JayDiggity (70168) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923978)

This little doo-dad doesn't actually sound like it's a PVR - streaming content off your computer is great, but it never says anything about getting TV onto your hard drive.

If you already have a PlayStation2 (that doubles as a DVD player), why spend $250 on more hardware when you can use this: QCast Tuner [broadq.com] ? It'll record TV onto your computer's hard drive and pull media off of it, too. All you need is the Sony Network Adapter... wireless network option is up to you.

No, I don't work for BroadQ, but I do own it and it's a great product. Who needs to spend more cash on extra hardware?

Now with Ogg support . . . . (1)

mofu (609230) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924074)

BroadQ now supports Ogg audio as well as MP3.
Also plays most video: mpeg, avi, mov, divX . . . and has a picture viewer supporting jpg and png formats.

This is really stupid. (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4923989)

In addition with using wi-fi, which the vast majority of average people still don't have on their PC's, this thing isn't practical. Most people have DVD's on... surprise DVD's! This means, you want to put in a movie? Go to the computer, boot it up, put the DVD in, and walk back to the living room. The only people who'd like this would be uber-geeks with money to blow on huge hard drives to store movies, broadband to download those movies (since most people don't rip DVD's onto hard drives, and the few who do are pretty stupid), and wi-fi in the computer. I predict this product will sell... to about 100 people. In fact, if it even actually hits the shelves, I nominate this product for The Biggest Flop of the Year.

Re:This is really stupid. (2)

rainwalker (174354) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924102)

You didn't read the press release, did you? Yes, the article submission is misleading, but what this is is a DVD player with networking capabilities, so that it can not only play content from DVD's, but also from computers on your network. Pretty useful, actually. This means I don't need to put another computer in the living room in order to play my DivX movies or mp3's. Also note that it does not come with wi-fi installed; rather, it has a PCMCIA slot with a notwork card in it, and you can buy an 802.11B PCMICA card to swap it with.

Great... (2)

TerryAtWork (598364) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924030)

Now I can get my DVD player hacked by wise guys.

Better plan (3, Interesting)

RealBeanDip (26604) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924032)

Actually every "media" device in your house should have this capability. There should be such a thing as "storage" (i.e. hard drive) and everything from your video game console to your stereo to your video playback device and your computer should access it.

Put the "consoles" in their proper perspective; computers will be great for surfing the net and ordering content. Your video playback console is great for playing back your videos, and your stereo console is great for playing back music.

The point I'm making here is everything should be contected together, but accessed in with the console that makes sense. IMO, playing tunes and watching downloaded videos on a computer stinks. Playing video games on the TV rocks, but video game consoles with their own storage devices sucks.

If 802.11b wireless is the link that ties all these together, great, but it should be seamless and painless to the user to set it up.

Oh yeah, it needs to be secure too. ;)

Screw that (1)

PD (9577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924039)

If you want to access stuff on your PC, and you have a Playstation with ethernet adaptor, go to

BroadQ [broadq.com]

It's software for your Playstation and your PC that lets you play movies and music on your entertainment system. All that stuff is stored on your PC.

If you've got a Playstation, no need to go buy a separate box to do it.

News: They fit DVD players INSIDE the case! (0)

NewAccount (633131) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924123)

Dude, you can actually buy a player or burner that will fit Inside your case! I got a tiny box with a mini-itx board with a DVD player from iDot Computers. Its half the size of the DVD player it replaces. I suppose I could use a wireless card with it, but why bother? It makes much more sense to put audio components (along with audio software) in PCs. Unfortunately Joe Average hasn't figured this out yet, but hopefully that will change soon.

Press Release (1)

NetShadow (132017) | more than 11 years ago | (#4924136)

SonicBlue's Press Release on this beast [sonicblue.com] contains some interesting technical details.

It seems that it supports standard ethernet out of the box, with 802.11 supported by swapping the ethernet PCMCIA card with an equivilent wireless PCMCIA card.

It plays MPEG1 and MPEG2 video and MP3 and WMA audio over the network. (presumably via SMB fileshare) Not too bad for the price point ($249 MSRP). No mention of anything MPEG-4 based ala DivX/Xvid, so it's highly doubtful.

For my money, I think I'll get a modded Xbox for roughly the same price and run Linux and mplayer or XBMP [xboxmediaplayer.de] , which is based on the mplayer code anyway. I don't need 802.11 for this application. If I did, an ethernet to 802.11 wireless bridge (such as the Linksys WET11 [linksys.com] ) would serve quite nicely.

For the not-hackers out there, however, this isn't at all a bad deal, and a bunch of MPEG-2 (ala SVCD, or ripped DVD's) on today's large hard drives, combined with multiple cheap "media terminals" like this one, plugged into your TV's / Home Theatre, is a decent solution. Consider that network mp3 stereo components are going for about this price already, and you get the ability to archive and play your DVDs across your network, too, for the same price.

Not too shabby.

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