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All schools In Denmark switching to Linux

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the making-the-move dept.

Linux 424

Someone who can read Danish writes "According to this story (in Danish) Denmark has taken the first steps to start using Linux and Staroffice in all schools (1.1 million students). Sun has agreed to provide Staroffice for free, or on a CD-ROM for 10 Danish crowns ($1.5)."

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First?!?!?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942930)

I WIN!

Guidance Counselor (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942940)

Remember in middle school when your guidance counselor told you you wouldn't amount to much?

They were right.

Aww man (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942933)

The winner got first post.

I just get to post.

What a rip-off.

hard to polish my photon torpedo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942937)

I found this article hard to masturbate to.

The Danish (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942938)

I like apple danishes the best. I wish I could get some of those for $1.5

And so begins (-1, Flamebait)

Thaelon (250687) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942939)

the pwnage of Microsoft!

Yay for linux!

Oh great (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942941)

Denmark is fucked.

10 Danish Crowns?!! (4, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942942)

That's absurd! There aren't even that many kings in Denmark!

Re:10 Danish Crowns?!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942962)

if this gets modded funny, i'm going to fucking vomit. please rape this fag's karma for having the idiocy to not only post that, but for using his score +1 bonus with it.

Re:10 Danish Crowns?!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942977)

Fucking rights.

Re:10 Danish Crowns?!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943002)

IF I FIND OUT WHO MODDED THIS RETARDED SHIT UP, I AM GOING TO FUCKING KILL THEM AND THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY.. FUCK!

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Re:10 Danish Crowns?!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943038)

Your stupid and your mother hates you. She told me last night on the phone, and then after that the pope called me and told me what a stupid little fucker you are. and then after that everyone in the world call me to say that they agreed with your mother and the pope and that they hated you, and they wished that your uncle had never gotten your mother pregnant so that she had to give birth to you. Then you grandma called and she complained how she tried to force your mother to abort you, but that you mother was so wacked out on herion that she never bothered going to the clinic in time.

bummer

Re:10 Danish Crowns?!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943017)

I don't see why your post would be modded funny at all.

Since you didn't post while logged in, I am unable to have any effect on your karma.

However, kudos on being proud of your sexuality! But have the stomach ailment looked at.

Re:10 Danish Crowns?!! (1)

Random Data (538955) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943069)

There aren't even that many kings in Denmark!

You should go over to Sweden [zeldman.com] then.

1 Sad Joke ??! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943103)

Please die ! You and the sad nerds/geek wannabe that modded you up.

anyone here speak danish (2, Funny)

wildchild978 (458123) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942943)

I can only speak COBOL, and that badly. I don't even know what danish is. Is it like VB?

Re:anyone here speak danish (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942994)

FUCK YOU IDIOT MODS!

This is the farthest thing from funny I've ever seen!

Re:anyone here speak danish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943048)

How many people think that its the same troll who replies to all these posts criticizing the mods, telling them to fuck off and threatening to kill them? People under 13 shouldn't be allowed to post on Slashdot.

Re:anyone here speak danish (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943057)

Well, I know that there're at least two, since I'm one of 'em... Haven't done it too actively lately though.

Could be good, could be bad (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942944)

How are these kids going to compete in a marketplace dominated with M$? Sounds like they're all doomed to become pimply-faced nerds with no social skills living in their parents' basement (aka geeks). Not everyone wants to be losers like you slashdot!

Re:Could be good, could be bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942981)

Why do people post here who don't like linux?

I mean, this is a nerd site, primarily devoted to linux and other geek things.

This comment:
"Not everyone wants to be losers like you slashdot!"

This would mean then, that you are a loser, for posting on slashdot. Idiot.

Re:Could be good, could be bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943035)

Ah my friend, you are a perfect example of what the grandfather post is humourously addressing. Get out, get a sense of humour.

wow (0, Troll)

mao che minh (611166) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942945)

Sensibility wins out over pig ignorance. Expect the trend to continue.

Universities in the US considering it as well (5, Interesting)

blacklambda (18117) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942946)

I work as a Network Engineer in a state-run university in Pennsylvania. The new Microsoft lisence terms (a.k.a. software rental)are beginning to cause major worry in a 2500-plus seat environment where old versions running on ancient comptuers allow us to get by. The concept of moving to a StarOffice or other productivity suit us now (an a year ago unthinkable) being seriously considered.

Re:Universities in the US considering it as well (2)

EvanED (569694) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942971)

Just out of curiosity, are you speaking of PSU or its branch campuses, or the actual commonwealth colleges?

Re:Universities in the US considering it as well (5, Interesting)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943039)

We might not be a university, but our school here in PA did it. We converted to Staroffice 6.0 for the teachers and lab computers. We also distribute Openoffice.org to all of the students. This is an important point, because as MS Office file formats become more and more fragmented (just wait until Office 11!), the need to unify on a single, usable format (like XML) becomes critical. While saving money on licenses is a bonus, the real savings for us is in the heartache of incompatible formats.

Anyone here care to guess how many different incompatible programs our students have on their computers? Not counting the various (and sometimes) incompatible variations on MS Office, you also have the abortion known as MS Works. Then there's Lotus, WordPerfect... Hell, even NOTEPAD! And don't get me started about the different versions used from country to country. We have students who attend here from all over the world.

We've been using Open/Staroffice now for well over a year and are not looking back anytime soon. There were some minor initial glitches, but this was due to our using the Openoffice.org betas. Star PP1 / Open 1.0.1 have been rock solid for us.

Chuck Hunnefield
Technology Coordinator
Linden Hall School for Girls

"They bought their tickets... They knew what they were getting into..."

Rotten (5, Funny)

Gyan (6853) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942951)

Time for Gates to say "there's something rotten in Denmark" and get on the plane.

Re:Rotten (2)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943083)

Maybe he'll send his first officer [ntk.net] instead.

Re:Rotten (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943093)

You are correct with that statement. Just like India speaking loudly on their Opensource ideas. Bill gives them $100 Mil for AIDS and $400 Mil for computer related items. Should it not be the other way around? Granted Bill does give a bit of money out.

Any how it might just be a ploy from them to get Bill to pay attention.

Re:Rotten (2, Funny)

Malfourmed (633699) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943110)

Time for Gates to say "there's something rotten in Denmark" and get on the plane.
Yes... VB or not VB, that is the question.

biased reporting!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942952)

Why no stories about Schools switching to Windows?? Just because most of you /.'ers are anti-MS doesn't mean you should censor such news. Report on all I say

Re:biased reporting!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942963)

. (forgot period)

Re:biased reporting!!!!!! (1)

PFAK (524350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943004)

Its because people don't bother to report on people switching to Windows, it's a given fact that you were probably running Windows to begin with.

Now there has been stories where places have switched to back TO Windows on slashdot before. I recall one from last year.

traditionally many schools use Macs (2)

DABANSHEE (154661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943011)

& for many years they've been switching to Windows more 'n more.

Re:traditionally many schools use Macs (1)

Inf0phreak (627499) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943019)

That must be American schools. Here in Denmark there are (to the best of my knowledge) almost no Macs in use in schools.

Is that the meaning of... (0, Flamebait)

wardomon (213812) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942956)

Dutch Treat?

Re:Is that the meaning of... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942984)

Are you fucking retarded? Danish = Denmark, Dutch = The Netherlands.

Re:Is that the meaning of... (1)

LucidityZero (602202) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943025)

You have NOOOO idea how often I have to deal with that. I'm Dutch, and I live in the US. For some reason Americans have a real problem differentiating the Dutch and the Dannish. :(

Re:Is that the meaning of... (2)

MacAndrew (463832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943089)

I know, I know, a Danish is a breakfast pastry, right? (sense 2: light sweet yeast-raised roll usually filled with fruits or cheese) Dutch is where each person pays for their own food.

Don't take the errors personally, (we) Americans are pretty clueless what goes on abroad, and at home (have you heard of the Pennsylvania "Dutch"?). A surprising number can't name the President, or explain the Supreme Court's interpretation of the 11th amendment. On the other hand, let me ask *you* a few questions about American, Mr. Resident Alien..... Yes, you probably know more than I do, don't show off. And it's pretty darn inconsiderate that Dutch doesn't sound at all like "Holland" or "The Netherlands," but does sound a lot like "Deutsch."

I've at least visited the Netherlands and thought Copenhagen was great! (A joke! Really!)

When you live in a country that's big enough to confuse you, you're less likely to look abroad for additional confusion.

yeah, but how long are they gonna stay with it? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942958)

how come these articles never seem to have any follow-up? do they stay with linux or give up after a year?

Re:yeah, but how long are they gonna stay with it? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943061)

News always reports on events. Netherlands Schools continuing to use Linux and still not having any significant problems. That's not an event. The Onion sometimes does articles like that.

Re:yeah, but how long are they gonna stay with it? (2, Insightful)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943075)

He's got a point. Remember that not-well-planned attempt to convert Mexico schools to Linux?

Yes, let's put RH w/KDE on 486's... Didn't work due to poor planning. I wonder of the over-exuberance of Penguinistas is to blame for that one.

Typical Slashdoter / OSS Guy's first time (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942960)

Until that fateful night, I've never considered myself to be either gay or bisexual. But now, I'm wondering whether I was wrong in thinking that I was a straight guy.

It all started when me and my sister spent a week at my aunt's house. They had a boarder there, Chris. He wasn't that much of the athletic type - a bit on the chunky side, actually, with a slight beer belly. Since there wasn't enough room in my aunt's house, my sister was assigned to my aunt's room and I was given the extra bed in Chris's room.

One day, I was looking for something to read when Chris called me over to his room. "Hey Sparky!" he called. "I wanna show you something!"

Having nothing better to do, I went over to his room. I saw that the VCR was running and I asked him, "Wat'cha watching?"

"Come and watch with me," he replied, smirking.

So I went over and pulled up a chair. And gasped. It was a porn film. As I watched the naked bodies onscreen do various things to each other, my penis began to spring to life. Chris noticed this and said, "You sure are enjoying this film, huh?"

"Wh-what, me? no, of course not! Gross!" I said, and went out of his room, a bit red-faced, not because of the movie, but because Chris saw me getting aroused by it.

Later that night, my sister went out with her boyfriend, and asked Chris to come with them. I didn't want to go because I said I had a mild case of stomachache, and didn't want to ruin their date. Of course, I had a very different reason for not going with them. As soon as they were gone, I checked on my aunt's bedroom first to see what they were doing. I quietly opened their door and saw that they were already fast asleep. Silent as a cat, I closed their door and went back to Chris's room. I turned on the TV and VCR, and lay back in my bed, while watching the naked bodies. I stroked and pulled at my raging hardon and came all over my body. Not bothering to wipe, I turned the TV and VCR off and went to sleep.

About two hours later, I was awakened by a sound from the door. I looked up sleepily, and saw that it was Chris. From the smell that emanated from him, I realized he was drunk. I lay back down, but Chris went over to my bed and shook me.

"Wake up for a bit, Sparky," Chris said.

"I'm sleepy already, knock it off," I protested.

"Promise you'll like this," he said, and took my hand and placed it on his cock.

Sleepy as I was, I was surprised when he did that. A grown man, letting a young man hold his prick? I was disgusted and pulled my hand back. Nevertheless, he took my hand again and placed it on his stiffening prick, at the same time fondling my own cock, which was starting to show signs of life. I was aroused at the thought of holding another man's penis, and my cock soon swelled up and grew stiff inside my briefs.

Chris stood up and pulled down his pants. I saw that he had no underwear on, and I was face to face with his stiff cock, now leaking precum.

"Go on, Sparky, suck my cock," Chris urged me. "It'll be a secret between us."

With a bit of hesitation I reached out and held his cock with my hand. To me, it seemed to be engorged with all of his blood, the head was so purple and large. I flicked my tongue out and lapped at the precum that had already started to drip from it. Finding the taste sweet, I then proceeded to suck on Chris's dick. In and out, In and out, went his cock in my mouth, while I tried to remember everything I've read in magazines about guys getting blowjobs from women.

"Yeah, Sparky, that's it, that's the way... yeah," Chris moaned, as I took his 7-inch monster in my hungry mouth. He grabbed my head and slowly started pumping his prick in my mouth. It was hard trying to keep that prick in my mouth, but nevertheless I sucked on it and fondled his nutsack at the same time.

I felt his balls squinch up to his body, and then he said, "Yeah, Sparky, I'm cumming, keep it up... Ohh... Ohh..." as the first stream of hot cum shot into the back of my throat. I didn't have time to analyze the taste since more was on the way, so I swallowed as fast as I can, and let the last remaining shots hit me on my face.

Afterwards, he pulled up his pants and said, "Thanks... Now go to sleep." And went over to his bed.

I lay back on my bed, thinking about what had just happened, and my prick, craving for attention, throbbed. I pulled on my prick and lay back as I let myself cum all over my body again, this time smearing my seed with my fingers and tasting myself. Man, I taste good, but even better now that I knew how good gay sex feels...

you give me so much at one time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942979)

yes i do

i may have bigger for you.

bigger? my, my...

Microsoft may have a strong foothold in the US... (3, Insightful)

intermodal (534361) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942961)

but as the US has consistently proved in the past decade and still not caught on to is that they're not the center of the universe. The loss of Microsoft's power will not be starting in the States, but rather in the countries with the good of the nation rather than the economy on their minds. UNIX has been a staple of Computer Science since the 70s (pre-70s i'd be hard pressed to consider anything on the frontier known as computers as a staple), and IMHO has a good number of decades left in it.

Editors on crack... (5, Informative)

Iamthefallen (523816) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942964)

The article speaks mostly about Sun's StarOffice and how students will be offered it, not that every school will switch to Linux...

I'll leave translation to someone who has stronger danish skills than me though.

anyone here speak Danish? (3, Insightful)

Gerad (86818) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942965)

I've started to question the authenticity of some slashdot stories recently, especially after things like this [slashdot.org] . If the editors don't read stories posted in our own language... Anyone out there want to verify this?

Re:anyone here speak Danish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943020)

" I've started to question the authenticity of some slashdot stories recently"

You should have started that long ago. Slashdot is anything but reliable source of information.

Re:anyone here speak Danish? (3, Insightful)

blakestah (91866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943030)

It is a lie.

Star Office will be ubiquitious. It also works with linux, but linux will not be ubiquitious.

In other words, they are moving to Star Office freely, or for a minimal price on CD. Hardly the same as a non-Microsoft workplace, more like non-MSOffice workplace.

Still, not a bad start.

Now if they could just set up a Christiania in San Francisco...

Re:anyone here speak Danish? (1)

Gerad (86818) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943120)

considering other people have come out and said the story is wrong, how come I'm getting moderated as flamebait? it was a legitimate question.

Gates (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942966)

In other news......In a humanitarian effort, Bill Gates heads to Denmark to pass out condoms.

Oh great (5, Funny)

JediTrainer (314273) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943117)

In other news......In a humanitarian effort, Bill Gates heads to Denmark to pass out condoms.

Just what we need. More products from a company notorious for their.... erm... security leaks.

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942968)

...Linux chooses Denmark.

er, something.

Danish eh... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942972)

Given the latest track record of our gracious editors, I'd be quite willing to bet the article is actually about the fabulous new Carlsberg Lite.

Just out of curiosity, what's the point of reading any comments about this article? Exactly how many Danes post to slashdot?

Re:Danish eh... (1)

kasperd (592156) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943073)

Exactly how many Danes post to slashdot?

I do, and I know I'm not the only one. But I cannot tell you exactly how many we are.

Interesting tactic from Sun... (2, Insightful)

i_am_nitrogen (524475) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942973)

Isn't this what Microsoft has been repeatedly accused of? They the first hit free, get them addicted, and tie them into the costly upgrade path. While I like seeing more people using Linux and Open Source software in general (not the smallest reason being that, as a contributor of (small) projects to the community, I feel like a part of everyone's work is making it out there to the masses), I wonder if Sun intends to some day change its mind about OSS/FS when StarOffice has become ubiquitous.

Bait and switch will not work here... (3, Insightful)

codepunk (167897) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942990)

The GPL firmly kills any chances of a bait and switch. If SUN tried to tighten the screws they could switch to open office...

Re:Interesting tactic from Sun... (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943092)

Of course Sun is trying to gain some market share. The way they've done it is certainly more fair than MS's bullying of vendors and producing crippled versions of Office (Works, anyone?)

The biggest difference here is that Sun has released the bulk of the code LGPL. Can't be revoked. End of story. What you get with OpenOffice.org is free and clear. That is, free as in freedom AND beer!

svel kontor (1, Offtopic)

dagg (153577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942975)

På grund af Microsofts dominans inden for såvel kontor ...

I neither agree or disagree with that statement. But Microsoft sure does dominans the hot gritz.

Re:svel kontor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943060)

"I neither agree or disagree with that statement."

Me too. Well, I don't understand it...

But which Linux distribution? (1)

Neologic (48268) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942978)

Well I can't read Danish (or speak either), but I don't think the article mentioned what distribution was choosen and why. It would be interesting to know. At least to me.

Re:But which Linux distribution? (2)

intermodal (534361) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943012)

you've got it mixed up. Sun is offering free/costofmedia StarOffice, and all danish schools will be supporting the use of StarOffice, allowing students and teachers to switch linux. Certainly the schools' infastructure will be supported by linux, however the distribution of the students and teachers is certainly going to be in the OSS tradition of "whatever you prefer".

the meat of if (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4942980)

A quick and dirty translation of most of it. Denmarks 1,1 million school students and teachers can now turn their back to Micosoft. At least when it comes to office programs. A deal between UNI-C and Sun enables students and teachers to download StarOffice 6 from Sun and install it on their home computer. They can also buy a CD-ROM version for 1.3$ pr. CD-ROM. Sun has made the deal with UNI-C according to the guidelines made by the minister of education made public, regarding hos educational institutions should act when they are offered free office programs. Among the demands are that such program donations should be without expences for the goverment and that UNI-c, Denmarks IT-Center for research and educations must administer the distributions of licenses. UNI-C gets it's expences covered via the 1.3$, the price of distribution. Sun provides a server computer with the free Linux OS for the students and teacher that wishes to download StarOffice...

--

Translation (5, Informative)

Radagast (2416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942988)

Free software for school use
By Keld Louie Pedersen

Denmark's 1.1 million students and teachers can now turn their backs to Microsoft corporation. At least when it comes to office software.

A deal between the Silicon Valley company Sun Microsystems Incorporated and UNI-C means that the country's students and teachers can download the office program StarOffice 6.0 from Sun at no cost and freely install it on their home computer. Alternately, they can buy it on CD-ROM at cost, 10 kroners per CD. The schools can buy StarOFfice in packages of 50.

Sun has made the deal with UNI-C according to the guidelines announced by education minister Ulla Toernaes (Left Party) on October 30th, on how educational institutions should act when offered free office software. Amongst the requirements are that such software donations are without cost for the state, and that UNI-C Denmark's information technology center should be responsible for distributing licenses.

UNI-C's expenses are covered by the 10 kroner the distribution of CD-ROMs brings. Sun makes a server with the free Linux operating system available for those students and teachers who want to download StarOffice 6.0.

"UNI-C exists to help the Danish educational world, so we're naturally very pleased to be able to distribute this type of initiative from Sun", says Dorte Olesen, director of UNI-C.

The world's undisputedly most wide-spread office system is Microsoft Office, although this does not exist in a version that can be used on computers with Linux as the operating system.

Because of Microsoft's dominance in both office and operating systems, several government institutions are working on creating alternatives, primarily the combination of Linux and StarOffice.

If all 1.1 million students and teachers make use of the offer, the total value will, according to Sun Microsystems, be around 200 million kroners.

So it's not an interesting story at all-- (4, Insightful)

mmacdona86 (524915) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943014)

Sun is making StarOffice available free for Danish schools--that's pretty much all the story is. Not really news since Sun has been promoting StarOffice pretty widely. The schools are under no obligation to use StarOffice, and it sounds like there is no Linux involved at all (except the server from which you can download StarOffice)--it might all be StarOffice for Windows that is being talked about here.

Re:Translation (1)

jTurbo (35048) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943015)

I just want to add that the political party of the education minster might be called 'Vaenstre' (Left) but is actually on the right wing. I was suposedly to the left when it was formed.

I just pointing out that it is not a communist conspiracy

Re:Translation (1)

Inf0phreak (627499) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943119)

I don't think that "Left Party" is the correct translation of "Venstre". It would be more correct to say that it is the Danish liberal party, as Venstre most certainly is not a left wing party. (venstre means "left" in Danish. I will spare you for the exact reason that a party with a name with that meaning is a right wing (somewhat) party, but it has something to do with the location of the seatings in the house of parliament in the early days of democracy in Denmark)

The vast majority of the Danish parties (if I remember correctly, there currently are 8 parties in the Danish parliament) are what we would call "mid-seeking" i.e. their political programs don't differ too much and they all share a lot of common ground. The most important thing probably being that they support the idea of having a big government (and thus high taxes. The Danish taxes are if I remember correctly somewhere around 40-50% on your income, 25% sales tax, and there a lot of taxes on luxury goods and things that are bad for the environment.) which takes care of the ones who can't take care of themselves. Almost the entire health care system in Denmark is run by the public offices (and they are often critized for being bad - but they are probably to some extent underfunded).

I hope that this makes it clear, that the wast majority of the parties is very much a homogenous group. The notable exceptions being "Dansk Folkeparti" (a nationalist party with somewhat strong resentments towards immigrants. They aren't well liked by the intellectuals, and they are currently the supportive party for the two parties in government.) and "Enhedslisten" (the closest you can get to a communist party in Denmark. They keep a high profile on environmental issues as well. It's is not for nothing that they call themselves "Denmark's red/green party").

Danes with better insight into our political system (and I am sure there are) are free to point out factual errors and also add anything that I might have left out (that is probably the case too).

This is HUGE HUGE news!!! (1, Flamebait)

HanzoSan (251665) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942991)


All schools in Denmark? HUGE HUGE Win for Open Source and Linux.

The support costs alone from the 1 million or so students will make sure Redhat stays profitable for a really long time.

Re:This is HUGE HUGE news!!! (2)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943085)

Actually, if you read the translation [slashdot.org] you'll find that it's actually just Sun willing to provide StarOffice free of charge to any school that wants it.

Linux is given away for free, too, but that doesn't mean all schools in Denmark will use it, too.

k12ltsp (4, Informative)

OmegaGeek (586893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4942993)

Anyone interested in doing something along these lines, and avoiding M$'s protection racket ("y'know, for a few dollars a year per station, I could make sure that you don't get hassled by software license audits"), should check out k12ltsp.org [k12ltsp.org] . With corporate donation programs starting to pass along some decent hardware to schools, a kick-ass lab can be had for just the cost of the networking infrastructure.

But Why? (1)

NeoMoose (626691) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943000)

Denmark must have made the move simply to save money because in this day and age it makes no sense to teach on anything but a Windows system unless the class is specifically geared to teach something else like working in a Unix environment. As much as I support Linux and as much as I don't like Microsoft's grip on the OS market, Windows is still the standard. It makes a lot more educational sense to be teaching people Windows instead of Linux.

Gotta say I can't bring myself to support this move at all.

Re:But Why? (2)

mmacdona86 (524915) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943024)

Only if you are doing purely vocational education. If you are really trying to educate people on how to use computers, it's best that they learn that "how Microsoft does things" is not synonymous with "how computers work."

Re:But Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943032)

You're trolling, you didn't even read the article. It was about how office software is being made available to the students at a reasonable cost so that they don't have to buy MS Office to write their papers.

Umm... (1)

lvdrproject (626577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943107)

The article was written in Danish, guy. The "you didn't even read the article" thing doesn't work here, considering that only a minute per-cent of Slashdotters understand Danish. Perhaps this person is one of the majority.

Re:But Why? (1)

WetCat (558132) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943034)



As much as I support Linux and as much as I don't like Microsoft's grip on the OS market, Windows is still the standard...

in US. In Germany they still use MSDOS and
OS/2 and Linux for example.

Re:But Why? (3, Insightful)

WNight (23683) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943055)

If students can learn an office suite and desktop environment like Mandrake, or Redhat, and they can't apply these skills to Windows, they don't deserve to graduate. Students taught on a Mac manage to transfer their skills to other computers with a day or so of orientation, so why do you expect Linux will be much harder? You do know it's not all command-line based, right? There are applications other than grep and vim.

Perhaps they'll be addicted to system stability and being able to move documents between programs... It might be hard to go back after that.

Re:But Why? (2)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943100)

As some CEO guy said to a University, (IMOW) "Send us people who know how to *think*, we'll train them the rest of the way."

No one should be taking a class in 'Word', they should be taking a class in how to put ideas together to make a coherent whole.

What they *use* to do that is immaterial.

Homer J weighs in... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943001)

...mmmmm...danish...

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943008)

...Linux switches onto you!

Translation (2, Redundant)

bstadil (7110) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943026)

Here is a quick translation. Note that UNI-C stands for University of Copenhagen, I think.

An agreement between silicon Valley based Sun Microsystems and UNI-C has resulted in a free available download of office suite 6.0 for all school pupils, teaches and students in general.

Alternatively they can buy the program at cost , 10kr per unit. Schools can buy them in quantities of 50.

Sun has made and agreement with UNI-C following the guidelines, that Secretary of Education Ulla Tørnæs (Liberal Party) published on October 30'th, for how educational institutions heeds to act when offered free office suites. One of the requirement is that like offerings impose no cost on the government and the UNI-C IT-Center for research and Education handles the distribution. UNI-C covers its cost thru the 10kr charge for the physical CD-Rom. Sun provides a server with the free Linux OS installed for the students and the teachers that wishes to download StarOffice 6.0.. UNI-C mission in life is to help the Danish educational area, so we are delighted to act as a go between for such an offering from Sun, states Dorte Olesen, Managing Director. for UNI-C.

The worlds undisputed leader in office systems is Microsoft's Office, that does exist in a version that runs on the Linux OS.

Due to Microsoft's dominant position of the Office productivity domain as well as the underlying OS is causing more and more public institutions to seek out alternatives. Primary the combination Linux and StarOffice.

If all 1.1 million students , teachers uses the offering the combined value of the gift from Sun Microsystems will be around 200 million kroner.

Re:Translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943066)

Note that UNI-C stands for University of Copenhagen, I think.

"UNIC, The Danish IT Centre for Education and Research, is a government institution under the Danish Ministry of Education."

UNIC < Profile [uni-c.dk]

Pass the CD... (2)

Twintop (579924) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943027)

"Sun has agreed to provide Staroffice for free, or on a CD-ROM for 10 Danish crowns ($1.5)."

Wow...1.1 million kids are going to have to share one CD-Rom? Anybody have a couple hundred CD-R drives ready?

Re:Pass the CD... (1)

Radagast (2416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943040)

A couple of hundred CD-R drives, or the equivalent thereof?

This just in. Denmark part of Axis of Evil (5, Funny)

imag0 (605684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943031)

In a stunning speech a few hours ago, President George Bush declared Denmark a "den of malcontents and terrorists". And announcing to the UN in an emergency security session the need to: "bomb the hell out of them" for obvious stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and denying their people American software, goods and services.

Denmark, whose main exports include those silly little wooden shoes and tulips, was unavailable for comment.

In other news, Microsoft led a resounding stock rally.

Re:This just in. Denmark part of Axis of Evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943052)

You're thinking of Holland, not Denmark.

Re:This just in. Denmark part of Axis of Evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943054)

I'm not sure if this was ignorance on the part of the poster, or part of the parody, but clogs and tulips come from Holland, not Denmark.

Re:This just in. Denmark part of Axis of Evil (2, Troll)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943106)

You know, that wasnt funny because it is to close o reality. Is USA afraid of Sadam? No way in hell. Are they afraid that the oilprice go up? Yes!

Solution?

Get their own friendly government installed iraq.

It keeps me awake at night thanking our lord that sweden havent got anything the USA could need.

translation from elcheapo online translator (2, Funny)

netnerd.caffinated (473121) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943033)

For free software to skolebrug From KELD LOUIE PEDERSEN Denmark 11, millions skoleelever , students and teachers can be actually turn Microsoft Corporation the back. At least at a pinch kontorprogrammer. A agreement between Silicon Valley - the activity Sun Micrososystems Inc and UNI C implies , that country skoleelever , students and teachers for free can be downloads kontorprogrammet StarOffice 60 from Sun and freely put in that at their hjemmecomputer. Alternatively can be they purchase that at a CD ROM to absolute cost price : kr. a piece The schools can be purchase StarOffice to boxes à 50 piece. Sun has making the agreement by UNI C after they guideline , that undervisningsminister Ulla Tørnæs V ) published the 30. october by , how uddannelsesinstitutioner shall relationships themselves , catching they become quotation for free kontorprogrammer. Amid the demands is , that such softwaredonationer is all expenses paid by the commonwealth , and that UNI C Denmark IT - center by research and degree shall stand by the distribution from licenses. UNI C gets his spending overlayed via they kr , that the distribution from CD - Roman producing. Sun sets a servercomputer by that for free Linux oprativsystem at the disposal of they skoleelever , students and teachers , there hope that downloads StarOffice 60. UNI C is why to to be of use the danish uddannelsesverden , so vi is naturally pleased to could morning a such specifically initiative from Sun , says Dorte Olesen adm. dir by UNI C. Universe unconditionally best widespread kontorsystem is Microsoft Officer , there however no exist to a version , so that applies to the computer by Linux that executive program. On account of Microsofts dominans in såvel bureau - that the executive program works settled several public authorities at that give rise to alternatives primary the combination Linux and StarOffice. Of which all 11, millions skoleelever , students and teachers using themselves from the quotation , bishop the collected asset according to Sun Microsystems up to ca. 200 millions features. louiedk@jpdk

Switching to linux? Read the story (1)

XyouthX (194451) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943044)

Actually it doesn't say that any schools are switching to linux at all. Just that schools are being offered free copies of StarOffice from Sun. End of story.

Why not use Linux in schools? (3, Insightful)

saskboy (600063) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943051)

There are all sorts of reasons to use Linux in schools. One being the Thin client model found at K 12 Linux [k12linux.org] .

Why not OpenOffice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943064)

..I mean we all know that Sun is a little bit evil too :0)

All up though: "Skide godt egon!"

penetrating the soft underbelly ... (2)

beanerspace (443710) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943065)

This is something that needs to happen on a larger scale here in the U.S. If Sun were smart, they'd provide obscenely cheap and even easier to install distributions for schools, churches, charities and students. Not that its not already out there - but I'm talking about some slick ad campaigns, seminars, tutorials and all sorts of stuff that would encourage the non /.'r to get out there and get it installed.

Yeah, Apple has been trying to do this for years with their education program. Then again, they're not offering obscenely cheap software that is easy to install on donated Pentium III's.

That's Wicked! (0, Offtopic)

TheRIAAMustDie (628852) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943074)


it is!!

So let me get this straight.... (1, Redundant)

Micah (278) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943076)

Apparently Hemos didn't read or understand anything in the article except what the submitter posted.

So I could put up a website, fill it with something like...

"l;jq fodsu alfjkls ahjrlah jkslfas Linux l arl4kj ajksdhflkjsah j afsfgd af hsfd Linux kjhwrjk wajklsf hdlsahf OpenOffice lahlkjfkajfd wahekhj ahi ghksafhjd ufw gjsakgf hjdsssag hj gfeyuigza67 ghuc gje4 g2hjg Linux. Dwkhj fdoisads Microsoft lskjfskjha rekjh kwsjkh kjs hjkshkj kjd." ..., submit it to Slashdot saying "This article (in Mongolian) says that every computer user in Mongolia is being mandated to switch to Linux and OpenOffice. Microsoft has, of course, tried to prevent this, but we told them to get lost." And it would be accepted!!!??? And THAT is journalism????

All schools In Denmark switching to AOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943098)

The article is only talking about _offering_ CDs. What percentage of them will be accepting the CD and will switch?
If AOL offers a CD, is 100% switching?

Stupid!

Not Linux, star office (4, Informative)

pyman (610707) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943105)

The article talks about schools switching to StarOffice.

It does not mention anything about schools switching to Linux.

Hah! Speaking of a "switch" campaign that delivers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943109)

While Apple is certainly having a nice product in their hands, they often are too pushy with their adds, and have the tendency to skew [azillionmonkeys.com] the facts...

On the other hand, while Linux OS certainly has its own share of FUD zealotry, this kind of thing certainly brings a smile to my face:

1.1+ Million switchers in one day, try to beat that :-)!

P.S. For Apple zealots out there... you may insert your fav flame below this line:

I see many posts about LTSP (2)

codepunk (167897) | more than 11 years ago | (#4943112)

Don't get me wrong the LTSP stuff is great but to hard to manage in my experience. If you wish to deploy the linux desktop load a bare minimum install to the client (yes that means you need a drive in the machine). Use a redhat kickstart to install the clients. The kickstart install should replace the inittab with one pointing x windows at your terminal server. Most all refurb and currently installed clients have drives anyhow. Now on the server the only thing to do is turn on XDM and you have a full up system

LTSP requires a ton of configuration and requires boot rom's and nfs to mount root drives. This is to many pieces and parts to fail. I run hundred's of clients in this fashion and it requires darn near 0 effort to maintain by the sysadmin.

Well the schools might be switching... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4943115)

but it's nice to know I can still count on a good old microsoft ad right there in the comment section. :)
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