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New Red Hat Beta

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the anticipate-smoothliness dept.

Red Hat Software 373

Alkini writes "Red Hat just announced a new beta, codenamed Phoebe. Their highlight list includes Mozilla 1.2.1 with Xft antialiased fonts and glibc-2.3.1. The new beta can be downloaded from RH's FTP site or one of the mirrors."

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Ah linux betas... (5, Funny)

Exiler (589908) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946485)

The most unstable of the most stable of the stable desktop OSes... Wait I think I messed that up

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946486)

Yay, more stories of which nobody is interested.

forth post (-1, Troll)

Ricky M. Waite (544756) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946492)

motherfuckers

Another Redhat, more Microsoftalike? (-1, Flamebait)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946493)

I've noticed Redhat is getting too Microsofty for my likings. Linux was all about doing its own thing, going its own way. Redhat just seem hell-bent on making it as much like Windows, and just sliding it in beside them. Be interested to see what the latest build can bring.

Re:Another Redhat, more Microsoftalike? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946532)

> Redhat is getting too Microsofty for my likings.
Can you say me where i can get WMP for RedHat please ?

Re:Another Redhat, more Microsoftalike? (3, Informative)

blakestah (91866) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946570)

Can you say me where i can get WMP for RedHat please ?

[piorunek.pl]
Here

Any other questions ?

Re:Another Redhat, more Microsoftalike? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946560)

Use Slackware or Gentoo then.

Re:Another Redhat, more Microsoftalike? (0)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946625)

Don't get me wrong, I like Redhat - its my current distro of choice, but its the way redhat are taking elements - say for example Gnome and KDE - and moulding them both into the same thing, when they aren't. Yeah, they're both Window managers, but they do it differently.

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946497)

first pooooosttt!!!! YAAAAH!!!!! 3y3 0wnz j00 w1t m4h ph1r57 p057 p0w4h!!!!1

Happy Birthday Jesus! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946501)

I hope you like shitty software!

Red Hat Betas Make the Baby Jesus Cry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946525)

Linux is the voice of Satan. Repent!

.....waiting.... (1)

sickboy_macosX (592550) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946502)

I am downloading this now, because my Cable Modem is only getting 3.8 K, But from what I have had it works beautifully. It is nice they used 1.2.1 Instead of 1.2 just because of the fact of the bug. From what I have heard the Nvidia GLX and Driver Kernel should work better on this release. So I am crossing my fingers. Yay for redhat, hopefully giving M icrosoft a run for it's money!

Re:.....waiting.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946543)

I don't understand why you would have to download a whole new release instead of just upgrading the components you already have on your system. It seems RedHat users are always downloading 8 new ISOs and burning CDs, but how in the world could that be necessary just to install a new version of Mozilla and upgrade your NVidia drivers?

I don't get it, mommy.

IN NAZI GERMANY (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946516)

You get SHOT for announcing new betas.

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946553)

BETAS announce YOU!

Re:IN US of America (2)

HotNeedleOfInquiry (598897) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946620)

Admiral Poindexter beta test you!

Re:IN EAST CANADA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946730)

The beta in available in French and English. Damnit.

Re:IN FINLAND (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946763)

Student produces half-assed, inefficient and slow Minix clone and releases it under viral license; only working on it over the years laying poor hacks onto it in a sad attempt to raise it from its horribly coded depths.

Finally, ODK added (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946520)

ODK [fazigu.org] to takedown the DNS

Phobe? (0)

Whatthehellever (93572) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946528)

Someone watches the WB's Charmed WAY too much.

Re:Phobe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946583)

Dear God, at least read the fucking release announcement.

Re:Phobe? (3, Informative)

ACK!! (10229) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946608)

Actually its Phoebe like the character from Friends.

The joke in the changelog or release notes go like this:

"You know, Chandler, you being here is the best gift I could
ask for Christmas."

"Aww. Thanks Pheebs."

"Ok, now where's my real present?"

It is right there in the link on the story if you take a look. Going to wait on this one. Got my 8.0 box running right and just updated the kernel not going to jump right now unless I get a good reason.

choices choices choices (1)

k3v0 (592611) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946534)

i was going to get mandrake 9 but maybe i'll see how this version of RH does. i may not though, just because the server list quotes friends....

Does this mean... (2)

starseeker (141897) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946536)

we might finally see java and other plugins compiled for glibc 2.3? Those have been lacking for quite a while now.

Re:Does this mean... (2, Informative)

Tomah4wk (553503) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946586)

we might finally see java and other plugins compiled for glibc 2.3? Those have been lacking for quite a while now.
They havent, blackdown has been producing them. Their version (especially java web start) is much better than that produced by Sun. And its based off of the sun sources before you ask.

Re:Does this mean... (1)

caseih (160668) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946588)

I believe that the latest builds of Mozilla 1.2.1 for redhat (from mozilla.org) are configured to build with gcc-2.96. Apparently in the CVS, the plugin-related code now implements some symbol fixups to allow older plugins to work even when mozilla is compiled completely with 3.2. This includes the java plugins.

I've been running my own build of mozilla 1.2.1 with xft and galeon on RedHat 8.0. All the plugins work fine (everything was build with gcc296).

If RedHat used honest version numbers... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946537)

RH6.2 - stable
RH7.3 - beta
RH8.0 - alpha

Seriously, we're *still* waiting for
RH 7.x to be stable enough to use
on our production boxes.

I'll wait for the next beta ... (2, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946540)

Monica.

My servers were really slowed down when I tried the Ross, and the network kept crashing after I installed the Joey.

Re:I'll wait for the next beta ... (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946584)

Ah, you need the patch for Monica. It's the Bing Package, v2.1. It has a spastic theme.

Oh, the Ross flavor works well, but only if you have dinosaurs for wall paper.

I'm personally waiting for the Rachel version myself. I hear it's due out sometime in 2004.

Re:I'll wait for the next beta ... (1)

dspasovski (232688) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946651)

Yeah, I hope they stick with Phoebe. And the promotion will be going with the main theme:

Smelly cat, smelly cat
What are they feeding you?
Smelly cat, smelly cat
It's not your (seg)fault

And to keep it on topic, let's hope Phoebe will organize the zillion kinds of "Settings" sub-menus under the main BlueCurve menu into one global.

Re:I'll wait for the next beta ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946605)

Psyche and Phoebe are from Greek mythology.

Re:I'll wait for the next beta ... (1)

MrJones (4691) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946606)

I will wait until Ray-Ray RedHat :-)

Re:I'll wait for the next beta ... (2)

agentZ (210674) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946624)

I thought the next beta would be "The One with the Red Hat."

Re:I'll wait for the next beta ... (1)

fymidos (512362) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946645)

Ah, well, chandler comes with many more fortune cookies, allthough i liked the joey with all those sexy wallpapers..

But i agree monica is the best for servers, It seems everything is in order on that one.

Re:I'll wait for the next beta ... (1)

Mr. Fusion (235351) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946767)

You should have seen "Chandler" and some of its error messages:

Could you debug any worse?
Oh wait, I left my compiler in my other jacket.

And don't get me started on how many times it quit smoking.

-Mr. Fusion

8.0 was great, but... (4, Insightful)

MrZeebo (331403) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946550)

...it left me feeling it could have been much better. It showed promise, but had a few faults which keep it just short of being, well... perfect. I always felt that if Red Hat addressed just a few concerns, 8.1 could be great. Problems, in my opinion, were:

*Lack of NTFS support by default: Near-neccessary for 2000/XP dual-booters

*That silly "Extras" menu: you never quite know where software is going to turn up

*Lack of a good package management front-end: That Windows-like one they include is good for managing the software on the RH8 CDs, but for removing, installing, and upgrading third-party RPMs, one must resort either to the command line, or better yet, apt4rpm. Apt4rpm should be in by default.

*No MP3 support in XMMS

*DMA is off by default on CD-ROM drives. This is easily fixed through config files, but for the average user, this is a hurdle to DVD playing and CD burning.

*No nVidia drivers

These were all easily fixed if you knew what you were doing, but kept RH8 out of the realm of being usable for average people -- or even being usable out of the box for techies. Does anyone know if any of these gripes have been addressed?

Re:8.0 was great, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946636)

Good list. Can I add MENU EDITING. That what really drives me nuts about RH 8.0.

Re:8.0 was great, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946642)

No MP3 support in XMMS

This is because of the MP 3 licence. Since it is posible for Redhat to be sold, the MP 3 licence says you (Redhat) must pay to have it. Now as a free download component, it is not sold and can be distributed. Redhat had two choices, either have one download version (with MP3) and one 'for sale' version (without MP3) with downloadable MP3 add on or one version without MP3. Redhat chose the second choice so they dont have to keep 2 different deliverable lines for the operating system.

No nVidia drivers

The actual drivers from what I have been told are binaries with compilable wrappers. Since the nvidia drivers are not GPL'ed they can not add it to the deliverable. But in my opinion, nVidia has bent over backwords to give more then most video card companies, so I personally have no complaints about them wanting to keep how thair propriatary driver works, as long as they keep them up to date as they seem to be doing.

Re:8.0 was great, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946677)

That is incorrect. Red Hat's lawyers are clearly unable to read, and it would appear that you are as well.

Re:8.0 was great, but... (1)

justanumber (621952) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946765)

MP3 Licence costs USD 60k even BEOS could afford it.. Redhat can't ?

I have source NVIDIA GLX and kernel tarballs here.

Why don't you check your facts before posting or at least post to comp.os.windows or something?

Re:8.0 was great, but... (1)

KingKire64 (321470) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946656)

And if im correct all of these are addressed in Mandrake 9

Re:8.0 was great, but... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946675)

I agree with you except for these three points:

* Lack of NTFS support.

I was under the impression that NTFS support wasn't complete. I can't fault Red Hat for witholding a feature that doesn't work reliably.

If NTFS support is actually working now, then you are right.

* No MP3 support in XMMS

They would have to pay royalties. Distributions who aren't paying the royalties are breaking the law. It sucks, but I can't fault them for this.

* DMA is off by default on CD-ROM drives

There are too many broken chipsets around. For example, our HP tc4100s crash hard when you do DMA operations to the CD drive. We found this out the painful way.

Re:8.0 was great, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946724)

read-only NTFS support has been around for a LONG time but write access is very buggy.

Re:8.0 was great, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946739)

You need to try reading the licensing information. Better yet, just try reading at all.

Windows XP was great, except.... (5, Funny)

Drakantus (226374) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946700)

-Lack of EXT3 filesystem support by default: Near-neccessary for Linux dual-booters

-That silly "start" menu: you never quite know where software is going to turn up, some make shortcuts on the desktop and in the menu, other programs only in the menu, some don't create any shortcuts

-No MP3 encoding support in WMP

-DMA is off by default on CD-ROM drives. This is easily fixed through device manager, but for the average user, this is a hurdle to DVD playing and CD burning.

-No nVidia, ATI, S3, Creative Labs, Turtle Beach, AMD, Intel, 3Com, VIA, or Matrox drivers, except very limited (no openGL, poor directX) drivers for some older devices

-These were all easily fixed if you knew what you were doing, but kept Windows XP out of the realm of being usable for average people

Re:8.0 was great, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946703)

DMA is off by default

I mean what the hell is it off for anyway? I installed RedHat 7.3 some time ago and it too had DMA switched off. Not only was the CD-ROM DMA off but /dev/hda was also using PIO.

It took me some time to realize that the lack of DMA was the reason why the mouse movement and screen refresh were completely blocked by CD-ROM or HD access...

Re:8.0 was great, but... (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946780)

Actually 7.3 out of the box with no kernel updates had DMA turned off by default but you could enable it with hdparms.

Re:8.0 was great, but... (2)

caluml (551744) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946719)

The NTFS thing is such a large thing to miss out - maybe they do it for licencing reasons, but if it's just out of bloody mindedness, well, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

Lots more people are asking me (The 'Linux guy' ) to help them install Linux so they can try it out. And I curse Redhat for not including NTFS support. Sure, you can build your own kernel - but these are people that have never used Linux before. I know, I can do it myself, and build RPMs for them, but I roll my own as I use 3rd party patches.

And with a dual-boot machine, you have to remove the necessity for them to reboot back into Windows, for once they do that, they remember how simple everything is (to them) and it's hard to drag them back to Linux land.

The menu systems do suck, I must admit. Preferences, Server settings, System tools, System settings, and Control Panel. Anyone care to guess where a gui change password tool would be? All you need is: Prefs, System tools, games, media, office.
And RedHat! For gods sake put a link to the konsole on the "Quick launch" thing. Start, System tools, Terminal is not at all useful.

Has any one else noticed that when you do a man in KDE in RH 8, you get little boxes instead of dashes?

And people, if you haven't used RedHat recently, don't slag it off. RPM isn't that bad either.

Re:8.0 was great, but... (0)

noshellswill (598066) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946777)

Hummmmmm .. no N-Vidia drivers ? My CT_GF2-mx400 displayed OKey out-of-the-box. 'Course i don't do 3-D games, but nobody that counts ( pays for the RedHat CDs ) does either.

News Flash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946552)

Red Hat just announced a new beta, codenamed Phoebe. Their highlight list includes security features which allow attackers to gain root access right out of the box.

Since the new was already (1)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946557)

on LinuxToday and on DistroWatch, the site and all the mirrors was already slashdotted or mayby linuxtodayed or DistroWatched (I like this one).
Anyway, somebody can post the release note :-)

Nice features (3, Informative)

frooyo (583600) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946565)

First, this is old news at OSnews here [osnews.com] but also ... here is a small list of features to come:

Gnome 2.2
New HTree enable filesystem for ext3 (speeds enhancement). The HTree feature makes file creation, deletion, and lookup faster. On filesystems that have HTree enabled, these file operations should not get significantly slower as the directory grows in size.
XFree 4.3
CUPS is default

but also note SENDMAIL is now only configured for LOCALHOST, if you want to serve you have to do some modifications:
To use Sendmail as a server
By default, the Sendmail mail transport agent (MTA) does not accept network connections from any host other than the local computer. If you want to configure Sendmail as a server for other clients, you must edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and change the DAEMON_OPTIONS line to also listen on network devices (or comment out this option entirely using the dnl comment delimiter). You must then regenerate /etc/mail/sendmail.cf by running the following command (as root): m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf Note that you must have the sendmail-cf package installed for this to work.

The RELEASE NOTES can be found HERE [planetmirror.com]

NOTE: There has been problems upgrading if one if using Ximian Gnome, you must uninstall then reinstall using Gnome form gnome.org

Re:Nice features (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946612)

Where's WindowMaker?

Re:Nice features (1)

kelnos (564113) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946737)

but also note SENDMAIL is now only configured for LOCALHOST, if you want to serve you have to do some modifications:
why is this listed as a "but"? imho this is a good thing. makes it even harder to 'accidentally' turn your machine into an open mail relay...

There goes my bandwidth (4, Informative)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946566)

I was downloading at 300k till all the mirrors were slashdotted. Oh well, might as well Karma Whore.

Note: Remove spaces from URLs:

Soviet Russia
ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/redhat/linux/be ta/phoeb e/
http://ftp.chg.ru/pub/Linux/redhat/linux/beta/ phoe be/

Canada
ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redha t/ftp.redh at.com/linux/beta/phoebe/

USA East
ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/ phoebe /
ftp://mirror.eas.muohio.edu/mirrors/redhat/linu x/b eta/phoebe/
ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/red hat/linux/bet a/
http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/redhat/linu x/be ta/phoebe/
ftp://redhat.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat /linux/beta/ phoebe/
ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/redhat/lin ux/beta/p hoebe/
http://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/redhat/lin ux/beta/ phoebe/
ftp://mirror.cs.princeton.edu/pub/mirrors /redhat/l inux/beta/phoebe/
ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/redhat/ beta/phoebe/
ftp://chuck.ucs.indiana.edu/pub/linu x/redhat/redha t/linux/beta/phoebe/
ftp://mirror.pa.msu.edu/linu x/redhat/linux/beta/ph oebe/
ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/redhat/ redhat/ linux/beta/phoebe/
ftp://kickstart.linux.ncsu.edu /pub/redhat/linux/be ta/phoebe/

USA Central
ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/linux/redhat/li nux/beta/ phoebe/
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/red hat/linux /beta/phoebe/
http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/ pub/redhat/linu x/beta/phoebe/
rsync://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.ed u/pub/redhat/lin ux/beta/phoebe/
ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirr ors/linux/redhat/ beta/phoebe/
ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/redhat/ redhat/linux/b eta/phoebe/
http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/redhat/linu x/beta/phoebe /
http://redhat.netnitco.net/redhat/linux/beta/ph oeb e/

USA West
ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/beta/phoe be/

Pacific
Australia
ftp://planetmirror.com/pub/r edhat/linux/beta/phoeb e/
ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/redhat/redha t/li nux/beta/phoebe/
http://redhat.pacific.net.au/red hat/linux/beta/pho ebe/

Hawaii
ftp://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors/redha t/linux/be ta/phoebe/

Re:There goes my bandwidth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946589)

Why do people leech off the main site, then come here and preach to the rest of /. that they should use the mirrors?

Whats with the "do what I say not what I do" attitude. If you'd been on a mirror in the first place you wouldnt be in your conundrum.

..Just when I had (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946617)

the time to install SUSE 8.1 over the internet this gets announced!! FUCKIN' REDHAT!! My bandwidth has dropped to zero and I will be unable to install SUSE!!!

I thought it would be quiet since the holidays and all, but FUCK NO! Fucking REDHAT decided to release a beta.

The next time I have some time to mess with Linux will be in April, 2003. THANKS A LOT DUDES!!

Re:There goes my bandwidth (1)

monkubus (545898) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946694)

No idea if anybody's ever mentioned this, or if you're even interested. Anyways, I think it's GetRight, a download manager for Windows, has a nifty mirror search accessible without the app itself.

http://www.filemirrors.com

Thing is, you have to know the actual filename, or at least part of it. In the case at hand, "Phoebe"should get you a good listing, but searching by the entire filename would improve your results. Back when Mandrake 9 came out, and the usual hotspots were swamped, I was able to nab it using this site with hardly any effort. Just one more tool in the arsenal. Hope it helps someone, anyone.

(off-topic) Sig (1)

pgpckt (312866) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946723)

In Soviet Russia, all your base are belong to a Beowulf cluster. Profit!

Throw Steven King and Grits into that somehow, and I thibk you will have a winner.

You made me laugh. Thanks.

Re:(off-topic) Sig (2)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946747)

Thanks, someone also mentioned Natalie Portman. I must of missed that one. Can you explain who Natalie Portman is?

Division (1)

unterderbrucke (628741) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946568)

We, as a community of Linux users, need to present a more united front. With the divisions between Mandrake, Red Hat, and Debian users readily apparent to any person seriously considering Linux, they grow scared.

It can be very scary to be new to a operating system and have three or four different factions vying for your support, and you can't tell the difference between them.

Re:Division (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946618)

But, sometimes divisions make the software great.

Too bad I won't get a reply (1)

unterderbrucke (628741) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946731)

I fail to see your point.
I think what you're trying to say is that the more cooks you have, the more types of soup you'll make, which is a valid point.

Re:Too bad I won't get a reply (1)

angle_slam (623817) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946772)

It can be very scary to be new to a operating system and have three or four different factions vying for your support, and you can't tell the difference between them.
I think what you're trying to say is that the more cooks you have, the more types of soup you'll make, which is a valid point.

I think the first quote is right. I am thinking of moving to Linux and I have no idea which distro to get.

Re:Division (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946632)

whats scary is your 10 foot dick

Re:Division (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946653)

three or four different factions

not factions, multiple groups trying to help develop one product

Re:Division (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946674)

Linex is amazing!

Re:Division (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946711)

do you even fucking use linux?
i hate trolls.

No thanx. (3, Insightful)

Martigan80 (305400) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946569)

Sorry but if it is like 8.0 they can keep it. I'm still running fine with 7.3. I appreciate the intense struggle for RH and other companies to improve their distro to help the community out, but are they not trying a little too hard to keep pushing out the newest release? I mean it almost feels like the CPU race where we are told that a 900Mhz is too slow to keep up with a 1.4GHz. It just seems a bit over kill. I'm not blaming RH, at least they make sure their Distro is beat and tested against many arch's and problems.
I know this is a beta but come on, when was 8.0 released??

Re:No thanx. (2)

xchino (591175) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946673)

This is a beta version to a .1 release.. not a full release. In Redhat terms 8.0 is an alpha, 8.1 is beta, so this release is a beta of the beta of the redhat 8 series. Old bugs will have been replaced by new ones, but by the 8.2 or 8.3 release all the Redhat children will be as happy as with 7.3. I mean, consider the diff b/w 7.0 and 7.3.

Basically my point is that this beta release wasn't all that soon after the initial 8.0. This is just the way redhat works.

Re:No thanx. (2)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946720)

If you want slower, more tested releases, then RH offers their Advanced Server product with a lifetime of at least 18 months, or you can use Debian which has a slower lifecycle.

There's no reason why their normal distribution should sit around on its laurels, when there's GTK2/XFT Mozilla and new glib changes for the rest of us to play with.

Re:No thanx. (2)

ajs (35943) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946726)

Red Hat has always released about every 6 months. Did you think this was a problem back at 4.0?

Re:No thanx. (1)

RealSurreal (620564) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946773)

In my experience RH gets better the more point releases it goes through - hence, I'm running 7.3 cause of various problems I had with 8.0. I'm looking forward to 8.1, 8.2 whatever so I can get the new features without losing some of the existing ones (like my adsl modem driver not compiling).

Updated Mirror List (4, Interesting)

Laven (102436) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946574)

This is a more complete mirror list. Mirrors will hide and unhide as they become full. Please e-mail me if you find additions or corrections for this list.

http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/phoebe_mirrors.html [hawaii.edu]

Good stuff (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946577)

I am running Mozilla 1.2.1 with Xft antialiased fonts on my gentoo box and it is pretty sweet. The fonts in mozilla now look as good as the ones on my new apple TiBook. Good work ou guys.

Re:Good stuff (1)

mark_lybarger (199098) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946748)

wonderfull. one day everyone will be able to "emerge mozilla" and have nice looking fonts in the latest moz version, but not today. most gentoo users have go spend a few hours on the forums/usenet/irc/maillists to figure out how to get the aa fonts to work properly.

Fuck you all (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946582)

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If RedHat versioned honestly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946592)

RH6.2 - stable
RH7.3 - beta
RH8.0 - alpha

I just got done evaluating 7.3 for use
on our production boxes, and the decision is
to stick with 6.2. Anyone else have issues
with RH releases above (or before) 6.2?

Re:If RedHat versioned honestly... (3, Informative)

ramirez (51663) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946752)

>RH6.2 - stable
>RH7.3 - beta
>RH8.0 - alpha
>
>I just got done evaluating 7.3 for use
>on our production boxes, and the decision is
>to stick with 6.2. Anyone else have issues
>with RH releases above (or before) 6.2?

Not really. I've had no trouble running 7.3 for both workstations and servers. What issues did 7.3 have that you found unacceptable?

I'm currently testing 8.0, and so far so good. At least after the latest patches and compiling my own kernel.

One thing I did notice about 8.0 is that it would be nice if you could create LVM physical volumes on top of a RAID partition in their installer, but that is easy enough to do after the fact.

Re:If RedHat versioned honestly... (1)

fymidos (512362) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946770)

I imagine you are talking for a server machine not a desktop cause i can't see any reason to stick with 6.2 for the desktop.
I did have some problems up to RH7.2 but 7.3 works fine for me now. What problems did you have with it? RedHat 6.2 was a fine release, we still use it here on a couple of old servers, but i still want to go for 7.3 as it is a pain to manually upgrade packages. Generally i see your point though...

MIRRORS - please don't /. the main server! (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946595)

Europe
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France
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Ireland
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I was hoping they would wait. (4, Interesting)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946603)

KDE 3.1 has been delayed until early/mid January for a security audit. KDE 3.1 is VERY nice and is another big step forward for KDE. I had hoped that Red Hat would delay their 8.1? release until KDE 3.1 could be included. Unfortunately it looks like we will still have the "crippled" KDE 3.0.5 in Red Hat 8.1.

I definitely understand that Red Hat has an affinity for Gnome, and that's fine for them, but for full compatibility you really need to install both Gnome and KDE so why not have the best KDE?

With Mandrake's newly returned cash crunch, Suse is looking like a strong contender on the distro front. However, don't forget Knoppix, the newest "distro".

Re:I was hoping they would wait. (4, Insightful)

Phillip Birmingham (2066) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946626)

KDE 3.1 has been delayed until early/mid January for a security audit. ... KDE 3.1 has been delayed until early/mid January for a security audit.

I think you just answered your question before you asked it. RedHat has no assurance that the release of KDE 3.1 won't be delayed further. At some point, you just have to go with what you have.

Re:I was hoping they would wait. (2)

Majix (139279) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946762)

But it does include KDE 3.1, and GNOME 2.2 too (plus tons of new GNOME2 applications) which is also still in beta. And the XFree version is also a new beta with cool features (rotate and resize, yay). With all these new additions I'd say the final is still 2-4 months away.

Re:I was hoping they would wait. (2)

wormbin (537051) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946753)

I for one am glad that Red Hat doesn't wait for certain packages to be ready before shipping a distro. Predicting when a particular software package will be stable is very difficult and predicting when an open source package will be stable is practically impossible.

As it is, Red Hat ships a distro every six months like clockwork and whatever packages are ready ship with it. If your favorite package couldn't get a stable release out then they have another chance in six months.

Mission critical? (1, Troll)

Gaima (174551) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946615)

PHOEBE is, of course, not intended for use on mission critical or other production systems.

s/PHOEBE/RedHat/

No shit, the pain in the ass kernel/fs issues we've been having with 7.1/2/3, RedHat plain isn't good enough for production use, let alone mission critical.
Sometimes I really wish they would just leave the frickin thing alone!

Re:Mission critical? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946665)

what pain in the ass kernel fs issues ?

Re:Mission critical? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946760)

> they would just leave the frickin thing alone

By "they" I assume you mean Alan Cox considering they pretty much use his tree.

I ran production systems on all of them and never had any problems. Of course, your needs may be more extensive than mine...I just had 5 systems dumping raw video. *shrug*

BILL FRIST!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946622)

bill frist in your face!

Hey Ximian! (1)

destiney (149922) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946628)


I wish Ximian would try and keep up. They still haven't released for RedHat 8.0 yet [ximian.com] .

Re:Hey Ximian! (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946676)

Hmmm... They say Ximian Gnome 2.0 will be released "later this year." They've only got a week ... think they'll make it?

next beta name (1)

alexc (37361) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946630)

so what's new name for there beta os....
"mondler" ?

Re:next beta name (0)

Cnik70 (571147) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946655)

that is SO not funny :)

New mozilla & Font server... (2)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946660)

don't know about you... but these are things I patched into my system a long time ago to the last redhat release.

P2P to the rescue? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946701)

How bout someone with the full images put them up on a Distributed P2P network like Overnet [overnet.com] or eDonkey2000 [edonkey2000.com] so we can take the load off of the mirrors and help proove that P2P is usefull for something other than piracy.

Put blame where it belongs... (4, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946705)

MP3 support is due to Fraunhofer licencing.

Nvidia drivers is due to Nvidia licencing.

DMA support, extra menu and NTFS support I agree is things RedHat should fix. But they can't do much about the rest.

Kjella

Re:Put blame where it belongs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4946779)

Lack of mp3 support is actually due to Red Hat's lawyers being unable to differentiate their asses from their elbows.

Changes? (1)

hdparm (575302) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946709)

It will be interesting to see if changes to 8.0 are mostly cosmetic.

According to release notes [pacific.net.au] , not much has happened but I hope it'll run even smooter.

Good to see serious Linux company able to keep the pace up.

8.1 will have to wait... (5, Interesting)

ACK!! (10229) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946733)

I just got my RH8 laptop singing with the new kernel and they go out and release a beta!

Well, I think I will just wait. Sit back and watch the flack and see what people like/dislike and have trouble with before I go jumping into a new release. I got a lot of the stuff they are pushing already from Nyquists apt repository. At least the stuff I wanted like fontillus and gstreamer and such.

I think RH has come a long way so far and hope to see it progress even further.

My wish list is:

Larger set of server configuration tools like NIS server, client, LDAP server and client GUI apps. A network shares app that could handle samba and nfs would be really helpful (Ximian Setup Tools had one way back in the day).

Menu-editing for individual users.

Faster hardware check tool so bootup wouldn't hang there figuring out my configuration so long.

Graphical boot messages screen so my bootup can get slower :->.

System-wide font installer like KDE has. Fontillus installs fonts drag and drop for users.

Package Management tied to apt freshrpms repository. I like the GUI package management tool but end up using synaptic because it is not tied to apt.

I can think of other things. Can you?

What things would you like to see?

Constructive stuff not just RH sucks garbage.

Evolution (1)

micaiah (593598) | more than 10 years ago | (#4946741)

Man I hope they fixed the bugs in evolution. The main one for me was that it always crashed when printing. As soon as Evolution can fulfill this requirement I will be able to truly get off of XP/Outlook. I am not much of a gamer. :-)
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