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Dual Screen/Display Laptop

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the double-the-vaporware dept.

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DrFishstik writes "A friend of mine sent me a link to his uncle's startup, featuring dual screen laptops. Literally, two LCDs! It is a really interesting design, and in (as far as I know) the late beta stages. Could be a real boon for video developers or web designers on the go down the road..."

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Commercial Break (-1, Troll)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960120)

Please be sure to mention me as welll... UALLSUK

Cool (3, Interesting)

Kajakske (59577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960128)

Now they can actually bring out electronic books which you can read in your bed. You even have the same lay-out (2 pages at once) ...

However, you'd have to hold it. For some uses this is better, but for others, the conventional positioning is much easier.

We'll see what it gives, I guess.

Re:Cool (0)

l33t j03 (222209) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960270)

Yeah, I'm sure it is an electronic book that you want to read in bed.

On second thought, maybe it isn't. While you are up there in the top bunk, curled up under a Spongebob Squarepants comforter, lying on top of rubberized sheets, just having quaffed down your nightly mug of warm milk, I bet it ain't a book you prefer. I'm thinking more along the lines of a hastily downloaded pirated MPEG'd full length clip of some basement dwelling pre-pubescent Japanese guy's wet dream. That's right: I think you'll be looking at anime porn.

The wank off muse of pretty much the entire geek population. Certainly just the stuff for a guy who would post some "now they can come out with..." crap in response to yet another in a line of a hundred thousand Slashdot vaporware articles. You'll be tucked down under the covers with a dual screen laptop, tatters of Christmas wrap still stuck on the back, furiously massaging your cock while anatomically impossible tightly clothed warrior-whores blit back and forth across your LCD screen in all their sprawling glory.

Go ahead, admit it. Nearly everyone else here will be doing the same thing. And you'll be doing it with Windows.

Re:Cool (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960281)

Yes, they have the same layout. And in fact there already is a dedicated eBook reading device (ie. without the general capabilities of a laptop) with the same layout. However, I fail to see how this book-style layout is actually appropriate for reading an ebook - it doesn't seem to give any advantage over a single "page". (This might be different for other purposes, though.)

Not cool... (2, Insightful)

slashuzer (580287) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960294)

I don't think it is wise to buy ANY LCD product right now. The industry is poised for terrific leaps in term of better resolution and lower switch times for LCD displays. The LCD display we'll be getting a year from now will be far superior to anyhing commercially available. I know I am putting of my purchase :).

Secondly, this is ah-ok as far as concept demonstration is concerned...but you don't need dual displa to read in book format. THe most common readers like Adobe Acrobat reader already have options to sort pages as continous-facing. So you can read in book format comfortably on a single display as well. Just one more year....sigh/me can't wait!

Re:Not cool... (1)

Kajakske (59577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960314)

Hmmm ...

That's a common thought that I belive to be right but irrelevant.
Every computer item you buy now for an insane price will be available and better and cheaper in 1 year's time. But in 1 year, you can say the exact same thing, keeping posponing the purchase infinitly, which isn't any good.

Re:Not cool... (1)

slashuzer (580287) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960502)

Heh, you have a point there. It's just that I am not willing to plonk the cash for the kind of LCD's that are there right now in the market. So wait it is for me. Anycase, I generalised too much.

I am also speculating whether there will be a slowdown in development speed for new hardware (specificall CPU's). Where's the need?! /half-serious

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960375)

You also dont need a booklamp to read while your spouse is asleep.

Re:Cool (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960387)

Now they can actually bring out electronic books which you can read in your bed.

I suggest trying to read something on a conventional laptop, in bed, before speculating what a boon this would be. I find laptops to be difficult at best for reading. Try a palm-size computer. Even my ultra-slim Sony VAIO comes in at 2 pounds and generates considerable heat.

I worry about cooking the CPU when resting it on insulative materials, like a comforter. In the summer I occasionally receive a mild burn if I set it on my knees while wearing shorts.

Further, it's unwieldy if you shift position as often as I do, usually I read on my side or back, and a 4 oz. paperback or magazine still works best. Further, it doesn't require batteries. :o)

For dual screens, it's great for development takes place on one and preview uses the other screen. Probably good for demoing where control requires one screen and display on the other.

Slashdotting in progress (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960130)

Posted as AC 'cause I have plenty of karma. Hope someone sees this, useless as it is:

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Re:Slashdotting in progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960174)

Legal Professionals can access resource materials (in any file format) from a device so small it can be tucked under one arm

they also sell potatoe sacks:
Farming Professionals can access resource vegetables from a container so small it can be tucked under one arm.

Re:Slashdotting in progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960399)

Seems they could have used a dual ..er .. mirror site. ;-)

Ouch. That was fast. (5, Funny)

DavittJPotter (160113) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960132)

One comment and it's already unavailable... How about "Dual Web Servers for Load Balancing"?

Pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960133)

The whole point of a laptop is protability and a small size. Two screens completely defeats this purpose. Sorry, but your friend's uncle is destined for dot bomb status.

Re:Pointless (2, Insightful)

carlos_benj (140796) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960207)

I'm not sure what 'protability' is, but this would be just as portable as a laptop because it's basically two laptop sized screens that fold together. Unless your laptop has an inspector gadget keyboard and screen that folds multiple times (with cartoon sound effects?) and slips into your pocket you have not made a valid point.

Re:Pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960236)

No, this product is destined to failure.

Re:Pointless (1)

carlos_benj (140796) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960268)

That may be true, but not for the reasons stated.

Re:Pointless (1)

OpenSourceRulez (183923) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960337)

I have to agree that the size issue is not going to kill this. It may fail, but who is to say they will. Man I hate people who post negatively as ACs, they can't get bad Karma.

Re:Pointless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960432)

Your user name invalidates any point you may have had. Open source does not, in fact, rule.

smoke and flames (0, Redundant)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960136)

I bet the kid's uncle is real happy about now, with his web server smoking and getting ready to burst into flames and all.

Slashdot strikes again

Re:smoke and flames (2)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960233)

I bet the kid's uncle is real happy about now, with his web server smoking and getting ready to burst into flames and all.
Yeah, no shit. "Hey, Uncle Joe, I told my friend about your business and he posted it on Slashdot! You should be getting tons of interest now!"

"Um, gee, kid, thanks ... I think ..."

Sweet! (1)

rczyzewski (585306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960137)

This would be great for business use or educational use when researching. I'm amazed no one came up with this before.

someone did (Was: Sweet) (1)

MURL (91845) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960217)

Someone did come up with this before.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/28/1610 24 7&mode=thread&tid=137

Go-go gadget computer book (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960139)

Oh, wait ... that was Penny's computer book. Anyway, it looks very cool.

The blonde in the pictures looks really hot, too. :-)

UGH... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960140)

I am so not going back to that website after it attempted to install some comet cursor rubbish. Spyware, stay away.

Re:UGH... (0, Flamebait)

prichardson (603676) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960206)

I am so not going back to that website after it attempted to install some comet cursor rubbish. Spyware, stay away.

I know what your problem is, you're using Windoze and Internet Exploder. See, I use a nice *nix based OS running a derivitave of the Mozilla Project. Sometimes it's nice to have the uincommon, you don't see hackers desperately trying to find all those Chimera holes.

Re:UGH... (2)

Kajakske (59577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960295)

You know, you can just click 'no' when asked to install, even in windows ...

I want one (4, Insightful)

fozzy(pro) (267441) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960142)

So like this is the best of the previous dual screen latops mentioned here and a tablet. Imagine having a slide of what you are discussing on one side notes on the other...genuine notebook style. Would help me alot in school and work. Also much better nt lugging many notebooks in snow.

Really an improvement? (1)

thing_from_space (449789) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960143)

This doesn't look like that much more of screen space that a true dual screen set-up would provide. I just looks like they're trying to cater to those with desktop dual screen setups without really providing what it's implying.

And why do the images on the front page say "click for larger TIFF images" when they bring up JPGs. Sounds like some dual screen elitist crap.

Re:Really an improvement? (1)

carlos_benj (140796) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960220)

And why do the images on the front page say "click for larger TIFF images" when they bring up JPGs. Sounds like some dual screen elitist crap.

The images (which don't say anything) have a caption that says, 'Click Image to Enlarge'. Clicking the image does indeed give a larger .jpg but clicking on the link below the caption, which says, 'Click here for Large TIFF image' gives a .tif image.

Re:Really an improvement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960248)

Maybe because you're an idiot, and it says click image to enlarge. Under that it says "Click here for Large TIFF image".. where, holy fucking shit, if you click where it says "Click here" you get a TIFF image. Or at least, you should unless it gets slashdotted. .tif extension and all.

Re:Really an improvement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960290)

And why do the images on the front page say "click for larger TIFF images" when they bring up JPGs. Sounds like some dual screen elitist crap.

I think they just assumed you'd be able to read to figure out that clicking the TIFF link actually loads a TIFF while the Click to Enlarge link only show a large JPEG. I think it is safe to say that their target sales audience is 100% literate. Perhaps this is elitist by your standards.

Re:Really an improvement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960304)

I think it is safe to say that their target sales audience is 100% literate. Perhaps this is elitist by your standards.

Not elitist, just assuming too much. But then, maybe the site builder hadn't expected slahdot to drop in.

Dual Head Pron (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960144)

Just what the doctor ordered.

Be the envy of your classmates with twice the pr0n.

Google Cache Link (1)

lucifuge31337 (529072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960145)

Re:Google Cache Link (-1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960179)

Cache without highlighting! [216.239.51.100]

Here's one already available (5, Informative)

edgarde (22267) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960146)

The Xentex Voyager [xentex.com] is already available as far as I know. I covet the Linux version they claim they're developing drivers for. $5000 tho.

Re:Here's one already available (4, Interesting)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960209)

Dude, putting that thing away is origami!

There's an important distinction here. This dual LCD puppy (its very cool, maybe somebody else has made one before) is the closest thing, interface wise, to an electronic book as I've seen.

Re:Here's one already available (2)

alumshubby (5517) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960418)

Dual-page display on a laptop with a comfortably-sized keyboard? This thing is a technical writer's wet dream.

Re:Here's one already available (1)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960518)

The Xentex Voyager doesn't make all that much sense to me.

It has two 1024x768 displays, rotated sideways in software. Both the rotation and the screen spanning impact speed severely. The result is a1536x1024 display with a fat black bar down the middle. That's a lower effective resolution than the 1600x1200 UXGA models available at less than half its price.

How much do those-I mean that-cost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960148)



How much is it for an advertisement on Slashdot?

redux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960150)

Main Entry: redux
Pronunciation: (")rE-'d&ks, 'rE-"
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin, returning, from reducere to lead back
Date: 1873
: brought back -- used postpositively

i am (-1)

macksav (602217) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960151)

soooo hungover. i do wish that some nice young - say 10 or so - girl would lick my cock and let me fuck her in the ass. how about that, faggots.

Anmie (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960153)

Is for pedos and 30 year old men that live with momma and daddy.
Grow the fuck up! That jap crap sucks. YEA, HEY GIRLS WANNA COME OVER AND WATCH DRAGON BILL Z. You're gonna get laid the minute the chicks check out your comic book collection. HAAA HAA!! Man I thought this was a tech forum grow up!!

Improvement? (1, Redundant)

product byproduct (628318) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960156)

Glue 2 laptops together and network them. Not only do you have a dual screen, but you also have a beowulf cluster.

Yeah dual screen, no not laptop (1)

lucifuge31337 (529072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960157)

From the pictures, it sure looks like it has two screen, but I don't see a keyboard. So is looks like an even more niche version of the already too niche market tablet PC.

Finally! (2, Funny)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960158)



Finally! A laptop with extra GAY!!! :)

Cheers,

dang... (3, Funny)

Shymon (624690) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960160)

well i had money i left over for christmas. yet another toy i must somehow justify getting.

how can a free news source indirectly end up taking all my free cash?

Re:dang... (1)

Shymon (624690) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960170)

Bah, so many spelling errors and so little time. :p

My lap top already does dual screen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960162)

My laptop has a blue port at the back to plug in a second display.

Re:My lap top already does dual screen (2)

jridley (9305) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960197)

I have a Dell 8200 with a GeForce 4 video card; it implements the TV out as dualhead - it's pretty nice, I can play the kids a movie on the TV and continue to work/surf on the main display.

Re:My lap top already does dual screen (3, Informative)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960253)

As long as you don't run Win2k, that's fine. For some reason, MS completely broke laptop dual-heading under that OS. Works fine with two discreet graphics cards in a desktop apparently.

Ah well, X2VNC [hubbe.net] is much better anyway, sure you need two machines, but one can be *nix and you get shared keyboard/mouse between the two displays and even better; cut & paste between them.

And it's free. Highly recommended if you work with several machines and find yourself using the wrong mouse now and again...

compares to "Flip-Pad Voyager: Dual-screen Laptop" (1)

warnerpr (9286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960167)

Posted Friday Jun 28. Although the new one looks nicer.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/28/1610 24 7&mode=thread&tid=137

hmm.... enimity (2)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960168)

I think your friend does not like his uncle very much, a good way to take revenge.. slashdot the startup to the dot com heaven.... my god.. people can be paranoid ;-)

Re:hmm.... enimity (2)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960266)

Personally, if I was running a tech start up, being slashdotted could be the best thing to ever happen. Lot's of free publicity in your target market is a Good Thing (tm). Hell, you can even read the comments for some of the best feedback you will ever get, from people who generally know what they are talking about.

You can't buy a service like this anywhere!

Penny's "computer book" (2)

Glytch (4881) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960177)

Anyone else remember Inspector Gadget? As soon as I saw pictures of this, it's what I immediately thought of. Looks interesting. If someone could write a version of Ghostview that could display a page on each screen, it would be a nice e-book reader.

Re:Penny's "computer book" (2)

nounderscores (246517) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960235)

Warning! Contains metal cutting laser!

Not recommended for child geniuses [inspector-gadget.net] or talking dogs [inspector-gadget.net] under 3 years old.

e-book? (1)

snitty (308387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960192)

This seems fairly reminiscent of the e-book which flopped horribly, and with no keyboard in dual screen mode (unless you cary one around) I don't see how this will be useful for web designers, or for that matter, anyone who types code.

The future? (-1)

SlashdotTroll (581611) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960199)


Suddenly, the Network Administrators of the future began losing the cyber war. Crackers and trolls over-whelmed the white hats. Everyone thought dual-screens were better, but they were wrong. The portable computers became too heavy to carry...and the Network Administrators too feeble to carry them. Crackers, an identical equivalent, thought much differently than the white hats, in terms of data representation. The Crackers were lower power. Trolls, on the other hand, were vile creatures. Trolls were monkey like animals and two types of trolls existed: the feeble eye-glass wearing troll that walked slowly and wouldn't bend over to pick $500.00 off the ground and the dominant gorilla-like Troll that employs sub-trolls to spread fud throughout the e-forum world. Trolls didn't care, they wanted first post, and they generally out-lived the white hats in this respect because none knew a dominant Troll from the feeble troll.

I think Morpheous is wrong. He's just a troll in disguise and he is using us all to his gain. The construct is just a bunch of dual-screen laptops not even he can carry around so he bought this rotting nebuchadnezzer hover craft jus to carry his computers and first post the matrix using our brain-waves. Sometimes after looking at the matrix so long, I don't see numbers. I see blond, brunette, redhead... Morpheous lied to us. I think the Internet could be more real than this world. Here, I'm a prisoner. If I was asked to choose the blue pill or red pill again, I'ld tell him to shove that Red Pill right up his ass!

HP: Do we have a deal then?
ME: Yes, I want to remember nothing. Got that? Nothing! And I want to come back as someone important.
HP: Whatever you want, Mr. SlashdotTroll. Access codes to the IBM mainframe?
ME: I told you, I don't have them...but I can get you the man who does...
HP: Klerck...

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The next step... (1)

badansible (630677) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960203)

...Dual processor, dual screen, with extra mouse and keyboard... and genuinely detachable! Given that the price of a notebook is almost all the price of its LCD screen, I don't see this as very exciting. Why don't you simply buy two small laptops and an ethernet cable? I'll bet it will be cheaper.

Uncle Estari? (2, Interesting)

eingram (633624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960219)

An interesting feature would be turn it sideways (so it looks like a traditional laptop) and one screen displays an on-screen keyboard so you could at least type somewhat normal.

You could almost pull it off with Windows 2000/XP on-screen keyboard, but it's too small and doesn't rotate 90 degrees.

Re:Uncle Estari? (1)

eingram (633624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960232)

Well now that the page kinda loads (at least for me), I can see that it has an on-screen keyboard, but I don't know if it's a custom application or not. So nevermind. ;P

Mobile web developers (1)

burntoutjoy (618425) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960226)

hehe, web developers on the move. Am i the only one who finds that a shade strange? Video producers, yes. Sound engineers, certainly. Web developers? Hmmmm. If you are web developer who works on the move, please reply and prove me wrong!

Re:Mobile web developers (2)

Kajakske (59577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960303)

It's easy when you have to show a (pre) design to a client. However, normal portables do that too, so no reason to buy this yet.

But ANY portable comes in handy for a webdesigner, believe me. You don't want to show your website developed for 800x600 screens on some clients computer which can only handle 640x480, been there, done that.

Re:Mobile web developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960335)

You don't want to show your website developed for 800x600 screens on some clients computer which can only handle 640x480, been there, done that.
If your design was developed with any minimum (or fixed) size in mind, it sucks in the first place. Better leave your laptop at home and prove that it will work on the client's own machine, or else make sure he pays in advance and your phone number is unlisted.

Re:Mobile web developers (2, Troll)

Mignon (34109) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960341)

your website developed for 800x600 screens

Granted I don't design web pages (I'm a programmer), but am I the only one here who thinks this is just wrong to design for a particular screen resolution?

Re:Mobile web developers (2)

Kajakske (59577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960349)

Sure, ... But you have to set a minimum, which in my case is 800x600 (99% of the internet users are either on it or above it :p).
You just can't get any content on 640x480. It still worked on his PC, no doubt, but he saw like only the menu + very little content, for more he had to scroll down enourmously.

But yeah, bigger resulotions will just show more without scrolling, I will never make sites fixed on 800px width (unless the client wants it :p).

Re:Mobile web developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960406)

A minimum size is _still_ wrong.

My screen is set to 1600*1024 (23" widescreen monitor), but I never ever have any window maximized, and too many websites misbehave in the size I keep my browser window.

What pisses me off even more than pages developed for any size at all, is those idiot's pages that decide for you that you want to see them full screen, whatever resolution you're using, and then fill two thirds of my display with white or black space.

Been there, built my own... (1)

Frogmanalien (521225) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960228)

Sorry guys and gals, but I've already been here and do all that. Had two laptops rigged together, with both display inwards, but used a smaller laptop with keyboard as one side of the book (see ASCII style illustration)... Words surprisingly well, but weighs too much. It's not new tech, but if the interface should not be a standard desktop one but a seriously enhanced system to allow better multi-tasking... the hardware's cool, but the software will make/break it. ___ ___ | || | | || | |key|| | |___||___| Conclusion: Niche Only! Most people would like to be delivered from temptation but would like it to keep in touch - Robert Orben

Creates a better possibiliy for ... (3, Funny)

Gyan (6853) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960240)

a virtual menage-a-trois for the sex-starved geeks.

Slashdot - where ads are free... (4, Funny)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960254)

A friend of mine sent me a link to his uncle's startup...

Translation: "Go look there and buy those puppies! Buy two! Buy as many as you can! Cos when my friend's uncle sees the amount of sales I've generated for him he's gonna have to give me a couple of these to play with and put me on the payroll too! Sweet!"

(Or, alternatively, he might just get pissed at you for /.ing his server.)

Seriously, I appreciate that this is /., where editors fall for even the most obvious of hoaxes but would it be asking too much if someone was to tone down the number of free ads/informercials we see disguised as genuine news stories? This isn't even a shipping product yet! It's still in development!

OK, it's the holidays and I've had more than I usually would have to drink in the last couple of days but would it really kill the /. editors to edit?

Re:Slashdot - where ads are free... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960348)

A friend of mine sent me a link to his uncle's startup...

I wonder if this guy is his own mother's brother and considers himself his best friend.
Doesn't that approximately fit most spammers?

Keyboards no longer come as standard? (5, Insightful)

GC (19160) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960257)

It's strange to see that manufacturers now believe that you don't need a keyboard on your notebook PCs.

Does it feature a remote keyboard?
Am I expected to carry around a USB keyboard?
Does this thing have super-standard, alien quality speech recognition?

It's fine to see a blonde sitting at a desk playing with a stylus, but the mojority of work still requires a keyboard these days.

Re:Keyboards no longer come as standard? (4, Interesting)

nounderscores (246517) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960283)

I guess that if you rotate the device 90 degrees, so one screen is lying flat on the table, you could have the "onscreen" keyboard be where you would expect a normal laptop keyboard to be.

Or if you were an artist, you could have a colour picker where you would expect an oil pallet to be.

Imagine being able to switch from querty to devorak at a software toggle, *and have all the little letters on the keyboard change automatically!* yay

or not. maybe the best use of rotating the thing 90 degrees would be to pop up custom arcade controllers on demand, or startrek style "follow my finger" sliding bar controls.

Why laptop? (1)

$0.02 (618911) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960259)

I really think that a TabletPC with a dual screen would be better than a laptop. Also a dual screen PDA would be really cool - you flip the display - it still fits fine in your pocket but you get more screen real estate.

Re:Why laptop? (1)

Kajakske (59577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960328)

Yeah, but the space you gain (screen twice the size) is kinda lost with the keybourd you loose ... You'd either have to display one on the screen (loosing screen space) or carry an external one around (yeah, well, ... Extra space in the pocket/bag) ...

Video developers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960264)

Dual-screen LCD video editing systems have been available for a while--they're more luggable than laptop but a laptop isn't well suited for striped drive sets.

And no, you don't need striped drives for Firewire but Firewire isn't the only format out there.

I don't understand! (1, Flamebait)

bfree (113420) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960275)

I've been looking at thesse comments and the linked article for about 5 minutes now and I still don't see what this has to do with GNU/Free Software?
Do people do things differently around here after Christmas or what?

Nevermind the laptops.... the blond... yazzzzzoow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960293)

nevermind the laptop, who's the girl? I wanna see more pics of her.

Dual Screen vs. Tablet PC (0)

The_Mutato (631710) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960299)

Now are there any benchmarks for this on the internet? Are the benchmarks slashdotted, too? Someone should compare the speed, battery life, weight, etc. of this thing vs. a tablet PC.

Now everyone say after me, Imagine a Beowulf Cluster out of these things!

Can It Run Linux?

Can It Play Ogg?

Spec sheet (5, Informative)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960306)

Estari Inc., 1800 PaxtonStreet, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17104-2826
Phone: 717-233-1518Toll Free: 800-430-1518 Fax: 717-233-2774
www.estari.com - www.dualscreen.com- info@estari.com - Estari, Inc. 10/2002

Specifications subject to change without notice.

Dual Touch-Screenswith On-Screen KeyboardUltra Low Voltage Mobile Intel Pentium III Processor 800 MHz or Higher
Windows XP -Windows 2000
30GB Hard Disk DriveLow Profile
40GB Hard Disk DriveLow Profile
Dual XGA Color TFT Active Matrix Display (1024 x 768) 13.3" or 15" both busines and pro models
Audio ControllerAC 97 SoundBlaster Emulation Supported
Memory 256MB Expandable to 1GB
Estari FileScout Professional Document Management Software
Estari FileScout Publisher Document Management Software
(includes 1000 noroyalty publishes)
Mini PCI Type IIISlot for Wireless, Bluetooth and other uses 1 ea.- 2 ea.Pro models
Smart Card Slot -Pro models
IEEE 1394 Port Pro models
Type I or Type II PCMCIA Slots 1 ea.
USB Ports 3 ea.
Quad Multifunction Programmable Input Control Buttons 2 ea
RJ11/45 Port 1 ea.
Stereo Speakers and Headphone Jack / Line-In / Microphone 1 ea
Light Weight Smart Lithium Polymer Battery 2 ea.
Compact Flash 1 ea
Internal CD/CDRW/DVD(Fits into 2nd battery slot) optional, - included with Pro models
External Battery Charger optional
External CD-ROM Drive optional
External Combination DVD/CD-RW Drive optional
Wireless Keyboard optional
Docking Station/Stand optional
Travel Carrying Case optional

Re:Hmm runs Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960496)

Microsoft, bad for you
Bad for America!

Re:Spec sheet (1)

L0C0loco (320848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960508)

Well just the thought of two screens drains the battery on my laptop. The power consumption of the displays will make the following options popular:
12 pack of lithium ion batteries
Handy 12 pack leatherette carrying case
Queen size lithium-ion box-spring/battery for reading ebooks in bed.

When ultra low power screen hit the mainstream and battery life is 10+ hours, maybe then dual screen laptops/notebooks will make sense.

resolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960310)

whats the resolution of that thing?

fyi, dell has 1600 x 1280 laptops.

It runs the "other" Phoenix web browser (2, Interesting)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960324)

According to this press release [dualscreen.com] , the dual-screen computer uses Phoenix FirstBIOS, which includes a web browser that competes against a web browser based on the Mozilla code [mozilla.org] .

bah! (1)

RyLaN (608672) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960329)

2 screens means twice as many blue-screens! isnt that cool? now we can crash our *favorite* with the same ie bug twice in one boot up!!
seriously, are they using a special version of windows? none of the joe user releases ive seen have multi-monitor support...

Dual screen? Feh. Let's see dual-proc. (2)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960342)

That's going to be the next big thing, I'd think. Once we have fuel cell laptops hitting the street, I think we'll be able to see enough juice being pumped into the machines so they'll have enough power to make dual processor laptops a reality.

I'd almost bet that Apple will be the first company to put dual processors in a mainstream laptop like the Powerbook. That would be one way to combat the megahertz myth (and reality) with the kind of flair that only Apple can do.

Re:Dual screen? Feh. Let's see dual-proc. (3, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960405)

what you benefit from dual cpu's?
it's not that you buy laptops for heavy duty math.

as far as speed goes laptops are quick enough(when compared to desktop). but user interaction is still a pain sometimes(input/output).

Re:Dual screen? Feh. Let's see dual-proc. (2)

glwtta (532858) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960522)

um lets see...

dual cpus in a laptop == somewhat faster in some applications

yeah, they will take the world by storm

Major Problem Already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960343)

They already have a major strike against them. Their website uses Flash/Shockwave. Usually this means that they are more show then go.

How about *three* screens? (1)

Anne Onymus (223599) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960346)

I wrote an article about a *three* screen PowerBook G4 [lowendmac.com] back in November. It actually ran a real operating system with real apps -- okay, it was completely fictional, but that's beside the point. Anne Onymus, Rumor Monger

DUPE!!!! (0, Offtopic)

orpheus2000 (166384) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960385)

For fsck's sake, not again [slashdot.org]

Sheesh

I just don't ask anymore (1)

varebel (133951) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960415)

A couple of years ago, I would've looked at this and said "WTF does anyone need a dual screen laptop for?".

Anymore, though, nothing surprises me. Seems that the industry does anything and everything they can for about the same reasons that my redneck friend Jerry will do a 10 minute burnout in his driveway, smoking up the whole damn neighborhood; "because they can".

No wonder it /.'d so fast.... (1)

Tmack (593755) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960424)

Reading the cache, there are links to .tiff images..... LARGE .tiff images. Compression is your friend.....

TM

How Cool. (4, Insightful)

FuzzyDaddy (584528) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960430)

Many uses for computers have not had widespread use because of issues of form factors.

I want to do my AutoCAD drawings at a desk, sitting up, with a cup of coffee. I want to read a book on sitting back in a comfortable chair. I want to watch TV sitting WAY back on my couch. When doing designs, I like to have a full screen of the design software, and a pad of paper for notes and hand sketches.

Whether the input device issues (where's the damn keyboard?) are worked out or not on this thing, I can't tell. But to have two independent desktops on one device seems really useful.

Geeks tend to denigrate "form factor" type issues, because there is often no substantial underlying technical difficulty. Giving someone much credit for making a rounded computer case seems silly given the enormous expertise that many other people put into making the guts. But these things can be important, and can affect usability. Because my computer is not butt-ugly (yes, I have a candy-colored iMac), I (and my wife) don't mind putting it in a very public area. This makes it far more convenient to access casually during the day.

Which isn't to say I would get a crappy but attractive computer (no Mac flames please, that's beside the point) - but even seemingly dumb things can have an important effect on the way people use computers.

What's that I smell? (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960454)

Is it...bankruptcy?

Stupid idea for a notebook. This thing will NEVER sell.

I like it (2)

zogger (617870) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960480)

--very interesting idea and having it be like a normal dead trees book in "form" is a great use of human ergonomics. Like how many books do we use that fold up besides playboy centerfolds? I know there's some, but basically this "looks good". Remains to be seen if it performs and how it compares price wise. It would also be nice to have an option of a "no loaded OS" version so that people can choose what they want. I Don't understand the detractors on the thread a lot, this is a niche product same as hundreds of other gadgets out there. To me "more choices" is a good thing.

Essential for tablets? (3, Insightful)

BFaucet (635036) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960484)

I think a two screened tablet would be much more successful than single paneled tablets. People like to be able to look at two pages at once. When comparing documents, looking at one page and writing on the other, skimming the two pages. Geeks that are used to computer screens may be just fine with single panels, but the general public tends to like things as they are right now. I think this'll actually be an important step in getting the public to accept tablets.

old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960501)

I saw this posted on the web 3 months ago.. Uncle? I am thinking desperate company trolling for sales..! HA!
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