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Sendo Accuses MS of Stealing Smartphone IP

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the pump-and-dump dept.

Microsoft 231

Nate B. writes "According this article in The Inquirer, it seems that Sendo, a UK based development house, has filed suit in Texas as of December 23 to recoup monetary damages for IP it claims Microsoft stole. From the article, 'The company's grievance is that after years of working closely with Microsoft on the development of Windows Smartphone 2002, the fruits of their endeavours were handed straight over to HTC, which manufactures the SPV handset for Orange.' The story also includes this cute footnote, 'When Sendo announced it was to receive funding from Microsoft, I and some other British journalists asked Sendo's Hugh Brogan at the press briefing, in the London Waldorf, whether he wasn't afraid that the company might just take its information and then dump his firm. He claimed then there was no possibility of that.'" Seems there was more to this story than originally thought.

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231 comments

FRIST POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960358)

FRIST is the new republican leader! ALL HAIL FRIST!

Re:FRIST POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960377)

I hope Frist anally rapes Hilary Clinton...that ugly little power hungry bitch needs a good ass banging

Don't worry (1, Troll)

Easy2RememberNick (179395) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960360)

Well if the SmartPhone works as well as my Toshiba e740 PocketPC (crash crash crash) Sendo has nothing to worry about.

Re:Don't worry (2)

leandrod (17766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960526)

>
if the SmartPhone works as well as my Toshiba e740 PocketPC (crash crash crash)

It does crashes a lot, besides not installing unsigned apps, being slow and having several other problems.

Looks like MS took an unfinished product from Sendo and launched it thru other outlets. I would not be surprised if Sendo had left it unfinished on purpose, either that or MS did not let them have access to the source code to fix it and them they called it quits.

First (-1, Offtopic)

MondoMor (262881) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960361)

And last.

Happy new year, zealots.

YOU FAIL IT! (-1)

YOU FAIL IT! (624257) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960466)

It seems you are more "last" than "first" in this case - this is not the first post! Perhaps you should add to your list of new years resolutions: "try harder NOT TO BE A FAILURE"!


YOU FAIL IT!

first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960363)

first post!

Lesson Learned (1, Offtopic)

syntap (242090) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960364)

I guess you should stay and dance with the girl you brought to the prom!

Re:Lesson Learned (3, Insightful)

Iamthefallen (523816) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960445)

Yeah, but when you escort her home after the prom and find out the "girl" is really a man who now tells you to bite the pillow, this'll hurt a little, I think you have a right to be upset...

Re:Lesson Learned (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960623)

Offtopic? Are the moderators smoking crack again?

Re:Lesson Learned (1)

SharpNose (132636) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960716)

Does ANYONE really benefit in the long term in relationships with Microsoft, either as user or partner?

My Grandfather died at Auschwitz (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960365)

..seems he got really drunk and fell out of his guard tower

YAMSSA (-1, Offtopic)

anonymous coword (615639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960369)

Yet another MS sucks article.

Its Boxing Day, your supposed to still be merry and love everyone.

Boxing Day? (1, Offtopic)

Etrigan_696 (192479) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960428)

Love everyone on "Boxing Day"....?
I thought it was "International Beat The Shit Out Of Everyone You See" day....
Oops...Oh well, looks like all my Cow-Orkers got their birthday spankings a little early this year....and in the face.

They "innovated" it (-1, Troll)

grasshoppers (632679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960370)

Microsoft doesn't steal, they innovate, duh! PS - word to my dead troll homiez

What's new here? (2)

PHAEDRU5 (213667) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960371)

I mean, M$ has this history of embrace and extend in technology, and embrace and nuke in corporate relationships.

You know... (-1, Troll)

craenor (623901) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960372)

You'd think that if your company was worth hundreds of billions of dollars, you could at least take time out of your busy "screwing over the consumer schedule" to pay the people you work with.

Which Linux version should I install now to escape the hell that is M$?

Re:You know... (1, Offtopic)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960400)

wait for 2.4.21 if our using USB, otherwise 2.4.19 is good. check out the change logs [kernel.org] to see if there are any issues.

I would suggest the CK patchset [optusnet.com.au] for the 2.4 series.

or maybe 2.6.3-4 (I expect any incompatabilitys in common software will have been resolved by then and any binary drivers will have been updated)

I hope that was your question?

Re:You know... (1)

leandrod (17766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960545)

wait for 2.4.21...

People do not install Linux the kernel, they install a distribution of the GNU/Linux operating system.

That said, the answer depends on what he wants to do. One of the nice things with free software is that you have alternatives geared to several ends.

Re:You know... (0, Offtopic)

craenor (623901) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960483)

Boy some Moderator woke up in a cranky mood today when you get +1 troll for slamming Microsoft over their business practices. Go ahead, mod me down some more, I have Karma to burn.

Which Linux version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960606)

Which Linux version should I install now to escape the hell that is M$?

I've been running Linux since the SLS distro back in 1994. I used to be a die-hard Slackware user for a number of years after SLS and have tried Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian, Gentoo, Lycoris and most recently Xandros. No "Lindows"... sorry. After each new one I try, I keep going back to SuSE and just last week upgraded from SuSE 8.0 to 8.1 and like it very much. I think it's about the most highly refined geekhead Linux there is. It may be a bit overwhelming for someone who isn't a total Linux/unix gearhead, but if you're looking for the most plug-n-play simple to install and use desktop Linux that can also run a lot of Win32 apps under Crossover Office/Wine from the very start, then I'd have to suggest Xandros which is very slick and complete for a 1.0 release.

this is stale news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960373)

I am serious. As much as I hate to bitch & complain about Slashdot editors, this has been in reuters news since what 2 days now?

Re:this is stale news... (1, Offtopic)

craenor (623901) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960407)

It's News for Nerds...not Uptodate News for Nerds...jeez *grins*

Officials commented... (5, Funny)

hermescom (624888) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960376)

"We did get a little suspicious when MS representatives asked us to just hand over all of our research papers, but then Bill assured us that it was all going to be taken care of, and showed us the contract on his laptop asking us to click I Agree. The thing was so long and boring, and crammed into such a small window, that our lawyers just clicked "I agree" without really reading through the whole thing." Sendo Officials admitted early Thursday.

"We're still looking over the contract to see the ramifications of the "we owe you nothing" clause."

Microsoft officials declined to comment at press time.

Re:Officials commented... (1, Offtopic)

Jester1023 (580582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960421)

Anyone else think this might be the make-or-break for the clickthrough EULA?
IANAL, YMMV, etcetc.

Re:Officials commented... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960715)

You do realize that was a joke, right?

Microsoft's business plan (0, Troll)

pulse2600 (625694) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960378)

1) Steal someone else's idea
2) Integrate it into their own product
3) Make sure it breaks all the time
4) ??????
5) PROFIT!!!!!

Re:Microsoft's business plan (2, Troll)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960427)

4="Advertise, brand , steel, cheat, lie, lobby, tie your customers in"

It works for most companies/governments/countries, and not just the 'evil' ones.

Re:Microsoft's business plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960492)

How does one "steel"?

Re:Microsoft's business plan (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960527)

Mix iron and hot air?

Re:Microsoft's business plan (1)

c.derby (574103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960634)

actually, in this case "4) ??????" is "4) Charge for support"

SENDO Business Plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960717)

1) Take Microsoft investment
2) Use money to add Java, delay development
3) Wait over 1 year until Taiwanese clone arrives
4) Cancel contract and sue msft
5) Sell msft IP to monopolist Symbian
6) PROFIT!

Seriously, i never even heard of this company before they started developing a Microsoft Smartphone, they got their opportunity and missed it, now they are whining. I see no reason why they could not have been first.

Anyway, they'll get lots of good PR out of it, fighting the convicted monopolist, while developing a Symbian phone.

and in other news (4, Interesting)

slycer9 (264565) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960380)

someone else sues M$oft for some kind of BBP (Bad Business Practices). Seriously, I'm not attempting to sound like a troll, or be overly inflammatory, but we've seen this over and over. M$oft does something bad, they waste time in court, nothing happens. Yep, they've got to include Java now, but what about all the other points of their recent suits which they've supposedly lost? Nothing's changed, they're still as big a monopoly as before, and do ONLY what they want to do, since they have to answer to ultimately NO ONE. If anyone really wants to affect M$oft, how about this........don't buy their products. A hit in the pocketbook is the only thing they'll ever understand, and that'll never happen until people quit buying their products.

Re:and in other news (2, Interesting)

ignipotentis (461249) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960417)

This is going to be hard to achieve. The only way people will stop buying their products is if other viable alternatives are offered. I don't mean availible, I mean offered. When was the last time you walked into best buy or circut city and saw a machine with a competative OS ready to go. It's hard enough to find store's other than the Apple Store and CompUSA that carry apples now. There needs to be a large enough presense of alternatives on the shelves before a dent will ever be made.

Re:and in other news (1, Troll)

WildBeast (189336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960437)

Just because everyone is suing them because they're jealous of there success doesn't mean that we have to stop buying there products. All this money going to lawyers is sure a waste though.

Re:and in other news (4, Funny)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960743)

Yeah, it really bugs me how people are jealous of Microsoft's success and try to take them down with lawsuits. It's just like how the government was jealous of John Gotti's success so they put him in jail because of some silly "laws" that he broke.

Re:and in other news (2, Insightful)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960440)

The anti-trust case wasn't about breaking a monopoly, it was about preventing the use of the monopoly to leverage an unfare advantage in another market.

Re:and in other news (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960444)

we've seen this over and over. M$oft does something bad, they waste time in court, nothing happens


Question is, why do people still try to do business with Microsoft ?

By now it should have been obvious that Microsoft isn't a very trustworthy business partner, but for some reason people keep throwing their money and technology at Bill & cronies...

Same reason they do business with Wal-Mart (2)

eaddict (148006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960475)

they have hopes of making it BIG with the BIGgest beast on the block. They don't think they will get screwed over... and when they do, they seem surprised. Working with MS and WM are like replying to MLM schemes on the net. Over and over people are warned about internet scams but "it will never happen to me!" Yeah right. MS and WM just do it on a corporate scale.

Re:and in other news (2)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960692)


There's just no pleasing some people. If Microsoft prevails in a court case, you whine that they never get punished. If Microsoft loses, you whine about the other cases where they prevailed.

Oh, and I haven't "bought" any Microsoft product since 1998.

just in case it gets slashdotted... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960389)

Sendo & Microsoft - it all ends in tears

Small handset manufacturer sues giant

By Tony Dennis: Tuesday 24 December 2002, 11:25

AS EXPECTED and as I predicted in November, handset manufacturer, Sendo, has taken the world's largest software house, Microsoft, to court in Texas, USA (23rd December).
The company's grievance is that after years of working closely with Microsoft on the development of Windows Smartphone 2002, the fruits of their endeavours were handed straight over to HTC, which manufactures the SPV handset for Orange.

HTC, like Via Technology and Nanya, is a subsidiary of the mighty Formosa Plastics combine.

Microsoft's own Web site hails the SPV as the first handset to run its Smartphone software even though technically speaking Sendo's own Z100 was launched before the SPV.

Sendo's immediate reaction was to stop work on the Z100 and announce that it would licence the rival, Symbian based, Series 60 platform from Nokia. At the original launch of the Z100, Ron Schaeffer, head of Sendo's product development team, had told the INQUIRER that as a small company, Sendo "didn't have the development dollars" to produce both a Symbian and a Windows Smartphone version of the Z100.

Now it appears the company has decided to go to court to recoup some of the money - which one source claimed was at least $40 million - spent working on Stinger (the code name for Smartphone). The court case - which Sendo described as "having merit" - will almost certainly hinge on how much of Sendo's own IPR [Intellectual Property Rights] found their way into Windows Smartphone 2002.

One of the biggest ironies is that Microsoft itself invested in Sendo which was previously just a joint venture between a Birmingham, England based management team and Chinese cordless handset manufacturer, the CCT Telecom Group.

Microsoft took a stake in Sendo which was worth around $10 million, but which was less than 10% of the privately held firm.

I HAVE A FOOTNOTE to this, writes Mike Magee. When Sendo announced it was to receive funding from Microsoft, I and some other British journalists asked Sendo's Hugh Brogan at the press briefing, in the London Waldorf, whether he wasn't afraid that the company might just take its information and then dump his firm. He claimed then there was no possibility of that. We asked this question because Microsoft had been accused of doing a similar thing with pen computers.

Terry Hillson (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960390)

Is the sexiest lady alive. I would love to touch her sexy pantyhosed legs.

Microsoft is a bunch of thieves (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960397)


.

First they steal BASIC

Then they steal DOS

Then they steal Windows

Now they steal IP Smartphone

wtf gives

.

Re:Microsoft is a bunch of thieves (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960443)

You missed OS2 (aka win XX )

Oh no I just pooped my pants (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960401)

hot steaming diarrhea is flowing down my legs staing my tanned khakis. What am I to do? Oh no the smell is horrendous and my boss just called me into his office.

It's not stealing (1, Insightful)

ACNiel (604673) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960414)

They still have the IP, nobody took it from them, yadda yadda yadda.

Re:It's not stealing (3, Insightful)

bwalling (195998) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960463)

They still have the IP, nobody took it from them, yadda yadda yadda.

take verb - to get into one's hands or into one's possession, power, or control

steal verb - to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice

Just because Sendo still have a copy does not mean it was not taken or stoeln. IP is something that can be possessed by more than one party. That does not mean that it cannot be taken or stolen.

Definitions taken from Merriam Webster

Re:It's not stealing (1)

ACNiel (604673) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960581)

Note the yadda yadda yadda.

I was being snide toward all the stupid music pirates that believe since the music still exists that it isn't stealing.

Copyright violations isn't stealing like Manslaughter isn't murder. It is a specific form of the crime, not a different crime, but all the pirates think that if they somehow call it something else it isn't as bad.

Re:It's not stealing (2)

sheldon (2322) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960592)

Obviously you've missed all the discussions on slashdot about Napster, open source, piracy, etc.

He was clearly being sarcastic.

Re:It's not stealing (1)

bwalling (195998) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960650)

Obviously you've missed all the discussions on slashdot about Napster, open source, piracy, etc.

No, I read them. There are plenty of people who actually believe those arguments.

Why do the English have disgusting teeth? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960420)

Filthy blackish-yellow rotting teeth and breath that smells like dogshit. Even wealthy parasites like the royal family have rotted teeth. Why is that? Oh is the queen mum still alive? I always hated that old bitch.

Re:Why do the English have disgusting teeth? (0, Troll)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960711)

For the same reason as Americans are disgustingly fat. Great big obese whales, that stink because they're too fat to wash properly. I suppose you could tie one to the bed of one of the pickups they drive around in, and go through a carwash.

Anyway, I thought all Americans had bad teeth and too close together eyes. Maybe that's just one part of America.

In Soviet Lithuania (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960431)

CmdrTaco sodomizes YOU

Any small companies that MS hasn't screwed? (4, Insightful)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960433)

Are there any small companies that MS has had dealings with that they haven't royally screwed over? Either directly stealing their work or after working "with" them, coming out with a competing product (with borrowed IP) that severely undercut them?

It just seems like the first day MS approaches you is the day you should start preparing the lawsuit against them.

Re:Any small companies that MS hasn't screwed? (4, Insightful)

leandrod (17766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960511)

>
any small companies that MS has had dealings with that they haven't royally screwed over?

Not only small. IBM, Sybase, Orange... I think even Spyglass was not so small at the time.

Re:Any small companies that MS hasn't screwed? (2)

Gaetano (142855) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960659)

I think Executive Software is still doing quite well. They had their NTFS disk defragmenter software bundled with windows 2000. I'm not sure if windows XP uses it. But the company still looks like its doing well and I havn't heard any complaints from them, although I havn't used it since I bought a mac. :)

Re:Any small companies that MS hasn't screwed? (1)

questionlp (58365) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960708)

Microsoft includes a fairly stripped down version of the disk defragmenter software that Executive Software produces and it does have it's limitations (like not being able to defrag system files, the master file tables nor the paging files, unable to defrag NTFS partitions with a cluster size of over so many Kbytes, etc.) There are many times that I wish I had the full version of their defrag tool at times since some of the database servers that I work with have fairly large file system cluster sizes which cannot be defragged.

The Backup tool included in Windows 2000 and XP are both developed by Veritas and they are doing fairly well... though they like to change their product grouping and strategies about as often as CA does. Just like the included defrag tool, Backup is fairly functional but still doesn't compare to the full blown Backup Exec counterpart.

Trusting MicroSoft (4, Informative)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960438)

I hope ajp is reading this. In the MS .net vs Mono [slashdot.org] article, he wrote [slashdot.org] :
Microsoft has already written .NET for another platform (Rotor, for BSD.) And Microsoft has communicated with Miguel many times with regards to Mono. An interview with him on the topic is hosted on MSDN! This does not appear to be a prelude to a lawsuit.
MicroSoft did a lot more than "communicate" with Sendo.

Re:Trusting MicroSoft (2, Funny)

ajp (192328) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960705)

Yes, they did a lot more than "communicate" with Sendo. I'm not terribly familiar with the details of this issue as opposed to the issue I commented on: Mono. You'll note that I haven't posted with regard to Sendo. I have little use for internet cell phones and such nonsense.

The rest of this post is cut&paste from the Mono FAQ. Maybe if you inform yourself of a few facts before posting you won't seem like such a zealous idiot. I'm not posting to convince people like you that Microsoft is a fantastic social force. I'm posting to provide a little bit of reality to these discussions. It just so happens that the MS topics are so often the ones in the worst need of a reality check.

Question 35: Is Microsoft helping Ximian with this project?

There is no high level communication between Ximian and Microsoft at this point, but engineers who work on .NET or the ECMA groups have been very friendly, and very nice to answer our questions, or clarify part of the specification for us.

Microsoft is interested in other implementations of .NET and are willing to help make the ECMA spec more accurate for this purpose.

Ximian was also invited to participate in the ECMA committee meetings for C# and the CLI.

Question 36: Is Microsoft or Corel paying Ximian to do this?

No.

Question 37: Do you fear that Microsoft will change the spec and render Mono useless?

No. Microsoft proved with the CLI and the C# language that it was possible to create a powerful foundation for many languages to inter-operate. We will always have that.

Even if changes happened in the platform which were undocumented, the existing platform would a value on its own.

Profiting with Microsoft (4, Funny)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960447)

1) Make deal with Microsoft. 2) Get screwed by Microsoft. 3) ??? 4) Profit!

Bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960476)


Bash Microsoft : Whore Karma!

Post AC : (-1, Troll)

Your post rewritten: (2, Funny)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960602)

1) Bash Microsoft
2) ???
3) Karma!

How to learn from Microsoft (5, Interesting)

bharlan (49602) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960537)

Here's something I wrote in 1999 that still seems to apply.

If you are a monopoly, then everyone is a competitor. The key technology is the written contract, not software.

  • Any contract worth signing must have a booby-trap for the other guys.
  • Identify a hole in your market. Find a hungry company attempting to fill this hole, and let them have your exclusive endorsement for a few years. In return, they will sign a contract with a suicide clause. When you are ready to absorb this market into your own product line, you exploit the clause and they die.
  • If new technology moves too fast, then you must form a strategic alliance. Find other competitors with no interest in the new technology and get them to sign contracts endorsing your incompatible, vapor-ware alternative. You kill the new technology and burn the other competitors at the same time.
  • If a competing technology succeeds anyway, then remember that a monopoly has its privileges. Distribution channels must sell your weak products if they want the strong ones. Prevent the distribution of competing products. Such contracts are always confidential.
  • Non-disclosure agreements are an end in themselves. Anyone who asks about your long-term plans is a potential threat. Get such parties to sign agreements not to discuss the issue with anyone else. Tell them how you will vaporize all competing technologies they may have considered. They can't check your story with anyone else. They can't complain if they base decisions on misinformation.

Amazingly, you can usually find companies to agree to these contracts for nothing. They'll sign just to be your friend.

also the register (2, Informative)

DZign (200479) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960464)

The Register [theregister.co.uk] also had an article about this on monday..

Yawn (3, Informative)

webword (82711) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960468)

This is news? Microsoft is constantly battling people in court! This is Just Another Lawsuit, folks. By the way, if you are interested, take a look at Computerworld's excellent coverage of Microsoft's legal battles:

Microsoft's Legal Battles [computerworld.com]

Re:Yawn (3, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960543)

Every Fortune 500 company is constantly in court. That's why "corporate lawyers" exist. I would guess that most companies the size of Microsoft have hundreds if not thousands of lawyers working for them full time. Jesus, not even the Wall Street Journal reports on every little piddling lawsuit that every single Fortune 500 company is involved in.

Re:Yawn (3, Insightful)

leandrod (17766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960564)

Every Fortune 500 company is constantly in court.

Yet bad companies do get sued more often than ones that still try to do good. That is, they would if there were still companies trying to do good, which I do not rule out but seriously doubt.

ot even the Wall Street Journal reports on every little piddling lawsuit that every single Fortune 500 company is involved in.

This is not any Fortune 500 company, but a high-visibility one.

This is not only a high-visibility Fortune 500 company, but one with a bad enough history.

This is also a mean, high-profile big company that happens to be in direct, ruthless, dishonest competition with the main public of Slashdot, that is, free software hackers, users and friends.

Re:Yawn (2)

dillon_rinker (17944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960667)

True, but I don't think it's "news for nerds" when Mutual of Omaha or Razorblades, Inc. sues or gets sued.

Re:Yawn (1)

HowlinMad (220943) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960546)

Yes, this is news. You are correct in the fact that Microsoft is battling people in court all of the time, but this is a new case. That is why it is news. Now if this was an article about the anti-trust trial, that may not be news, unless there was new information about it. Thats what makes it news, the new info - a new company taking MS to court.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960599)

I suppose you are right. However, it doesn't seem to news worthy of Slashdot. Then again, around the holidays there isn't much to talk about. It just seems like a waste to me. I agree with webword.

Because its my nature (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960478)

Remember the scorpion from the chinese fable?

Now, Id like you to consider Mono under this new light...

(Anyway, I think doing Mono *is* valid: a) just for the fun and b) probably we opensource more poisonous than the "scorpion" itself).

Best Quote (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960493)

Now it appears the company has decided to go to court to recoup some of the money - which one source claimed was at least $40 million - spent working on Stinger (the code name for Smartphone)

They can have stinger for free here [goatse.cx] (look at the alt text)

Its funny in a -1, troll sort of way

--
s/coward/coword

Old vs New Advice (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960495)

Old advice:
Talk softly and carry a big stick.

New advice:
Be huge, take IP, run the little guy down with your army of lawyers.

Not saying this is happening, but it's certainly a familiar pattern with Microsoft.

IP is bad (1, Redundant)

alen (225700) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960521)

Information wants to be free. Sendo should have shared their work with the world so people can make products on it, others would improve it etc.

Ohh yeah??? (1)

HowlinMad (220943) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960554)

Information wants to be free

Can I have your credit card number then? I bet its yearning to be free with all of the information. ;)

Re:Ohh yeah??? (2)

alen (225700) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960589)

That's the usuall /. mantra around here. But to a lot of people it only applies if the IP belongs to a big company like IBM or MS. If it's a small company against a big company then IP has to be protected.

M$ screws someone (3, Funny)

Tom (822) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960523)

film at 11

Why don't we just have a weekly "screwed by M$ this week" special, like the slashback? Would help condense a lot of stories, ranting and general anti-M$ flaming into a few places.

Hypocracy (2, Interesting)

io333 (574963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960529)

Where are all of the "information wants to be free" folks now? What, anyone should be able to take and use any information any way they want so long as they are not Microsoft?

Re:Hypocracy (3, Insightful)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960607)

Excuse me? Who is the hypocrite here?

Should Microsoft be able to take and use any information just because they are big enough to get away with it? Should they be able to do it when they want all information to belong to them, and not be free?

The "information wants to be free" people will accept free information for Microsoft the day Microsoft agree to share their information.

Of course one shouldn't let Microsoft get away with this when they are in a situation where they basically dominate the desktop market and are trying to use this to take over other markets as well.

So who is the hypocrite? The ones that want everyone to have the same possibilities, or the one who is wondering why the "information wants to be free" people aren't supporting the convicted monopolist who is using this for their own gain - as usual? The one who wants information to be made free for Microsoft so they can continue to screw over others?

The "information wants to be free folks" support people who work to the best interest of everyone, sharing information. Of course they won't support a monopolist which tries to screw others to strengthen its own position in as many markets as possible.

Re:Hypocracy (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960710)

This is pretty much a troll, as this has nothing to do with free software, MS is not likely to open source this code, or give it away for no cost.

Do even though the parent is clueless, lets take a look at the "hypocracy". I think the basic concept is that all information has a tendency to become free, just like all matter has a tendency to become disordered, and we as humans, if we want to protect our information, must do intentional things to keep information not free.

It is a long way to go from this to justifying MS appropriation of others IP and selling products based upon it. For instance, most of us think we have the right to make copies of music and videos for ourselves and friends. How many friends is a contentious issue, but that tends to be quibble. However, most would say making copies of music we do not own or have the right to, and then selling it is on the illegal side. With the free software issue, only MS and other radicals would argue that all software should be one way or the other. In either case, MS has no problem taking, but want to control what everyone else has.

MS has good conmen? (2, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960530)

On one hand this is nothing interesting. Companies enter into these type of agreements all the time, often with the intention of gaining expertise that will allow them, in the fullness of time, to compete. However, normally both parties are required to fulfill some obligation complete the contract. Several issues ago, Foreign Affairs has a very good article on this type of business practice and it's benefits to free enterprise.

The interesting thing is that MS seems to be an expert at entering into these sorts of strategic alliances without incurring any burden of responsibility. In this case MS took the technology, took the manufacturing rights, and left Sendo with nothing. One would think the contract would have prevented this, or specified financial consequences if MS did such a thing. They certainly have a history of destroying partners, and it seems like prudent partner would take this history into account. The MS lawyers and sales people must be excellent con men if they can routinely negotiate deals like this.

Well they are gona need all the money they can get (1)

inteller (599544) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960536)

Cause after leaving the MS camp to go join that crap Symbian stuff. Think about it:
Superior tech always available first (Netscape, Palm, etc)
Microsoft product sucks at first and everyone abandons them leaving them as the only ones to benefit when they finally work the bugs out (admit it, this always happens)

Re:Well they are gona need all the money they can (2)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960668)

Microsoft Bob, Microsoft Network as it was intended (a separate MS network), hailstorm and a slew of other troubled products from MS havent been that successful. They get is "right" sometimes but not because of superior tech, compare IE6 to Mozilla and it should be obvious what happens with MS "innovation" once competition is eliminated.

I would say that almost every single product originating from inside Redmond sucks really hard. only the ones that are bought from the outside is usable.

My IP Problems... (2, Funny)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960547)

the other night I had a problem with my routers IP... I called tech support and they had me /release and /renew it. maybe that would help. ((covers ears so as to not hear 1,000,000 geeks groan at once for such bad geek humor))

bill & stevIE's xmas shopping tabs calculated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960552)

said to be weigh up in the billyuns [yahoo.com] .

that doesn't even include amouNTs ?paid? for BAD ?pr?, false advertising, bribery, coercion, gangsterious softwar asphixiations, etc...

a little green are we robbIE? how much djia donate?

wake up J., the "smoking gun" is poiNTed at you.

jealous whiners (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960576)

so, you're saying that of the 10 billyuns in holidaze proformas "reported" buy m$n.con, was mostly buy the "magic" of felonious stock markup m$accouNTing (we will go) FraUDs, except for what bill & stevIE got?

of those so-called 10 billyuns, how much of IT do you think is unrepayable debt (except what bill & stevIE got), couNTdead as real ?money?

advertising (1)

circusboy (580130) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960571)

I don't know if it is just cosmic irony or what, but the lower banner ad on this story when I first looked, said "get Microsoft behind your business..."

did someone plan that?

Making deals with MS... (2, Insightful)

spanky1 (635767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960582)

...is like making a deal with the Borg. They will take advantage of you until you are no longer needed. Then you're screwed. The Bill Gates Borg picture started out as a joke but seems to be more and more fitting each day.

Reminds me of that Voyager episode called "Scorpion" where the crew tried to make a deal with the Borg. Of course the Borg tried to screw them over in the end. The only good thing about it is it brought us Seven of Nine. :)

sleep with the devil (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960590)

Well, if you sleep with the devil, expect to wake up with a sore ass!!!

What's the beef? (3, Insightful)

Mundocani (99058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960605)

Not to be too quick to defend Microsoft (certainly not on /.), but the article didn't actually given any details on Sendo's complaint. What is it that Microsoft has "stolen" from them? For all we know right now, it's something stupidly obvious like "a method for simulating pushbuttons on an LCD" or "pressing talk without entering a number automatically redials the last number called". There's probably more to it than this, but all these posts are so quick to assume Microsoft's guilt without having any substantial information other than the fact that a suit has been filed. If I were Sendo, I'd probably claim Microsoft was oppressing me too -- hell, everyone assumes it anyhow so what's there to lose? Even the article's quote about the case "having merit" came from Sendo themselves. Well of course *they're* going to say that! I'd be much more impressed if somebody independent said the same thing.

Yeah, Microsoft's business practices are shady at best, but we don't have any substantial information about Sendo's claims at all right now, so it seems foolish to forming opinions so prematurely.

Re:What's the beef? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4960730)

Maybe its the smoking gun and the corpse that has you confused? Regardless I would like a little of whatever it is that you are taking.

Re:What's the beef? (2)

HamNRye (20218) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960736)

Regardless of Sendo's complaint, it still falls under the count your fingers after shaking hands with Ballmer thread of Microsoft's past. Perhaps the claims are baseless, but you are still looking at another small company blasted by the Death Star.

The flip side of this is how many of us would have heard of Sendo if not for this?? I'm starting to wonder if the next wave of tech start-ups shouldn't just keep suing each other to generate headlines with their names in 90 point helvetica.

Perhaps these companies have been smoking too much of the wacky weed... I leave you with a quote from Frank Black:
"alone with the beast and my skull choppers
now i'm just a name dropper
and i'm bust in these deep slumberweeds
stone was in me"

~Hammy

Is Sendo giving the money back? (2)

sheldon (2322) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960611)

The fact that Microsoft invested money in Sendo doesn't make this all clear cut. Especially given the reason why Microsoft invested money was nullified when Sendo dropped out of the market.

I guess I'm just wondering if Sendo intends on giving the money back? If not, could not Microsoft simply consider it payment for the disagreement?

List of past cases? (1, Troll)

leandrod (17766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960612)

Does anyone have a list of past cases of MS screwing people and getting away with that?

Just for starters:

Apple: Rip-off
BeOS: Exclusive OEMs
IBM: OS/2
NeXT: Cairo hype
Orange: Smartphone cannon fodder
Sendo: Rip-off
Spyglass: Mosaic & MS IE
Sun: Java & C#
Sybase: SQL Server

Re:List of past cases? (2)

nhavar (115351) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960726)

Could you elaborate on these for those of us who are ignorant to the facts of each case.

Should have used DRM... (2, Funny)

ewg (158266) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960682)

Sendo should have protected their intellectual property using Digital Rights Management technology. If only they had set the "Do not share with low-cost manufacturers" flag.

Interesting (5, Insightful)

Quill_28 (553921) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960695)

My company has had dealing with Microsoft, yet never had a sale. The reason:

We commonly sell source code to our customers but they usually are limited to a specific product family.

Everytime we deal with them they will not agree the code will turn up in other areas of microsoft, which we deem unacceptable and the deal is off. In our area, MS is not important so it's not a big deal.

I haven't read the article but i wonder how many times, others business "have" to deal with MS overlook things like the above, realize they have been screwed and then sue. Or get greedy for the MS deal, get screwed and then sue. Or maybe just plained got screwed by ole MS.

Or maybe it's all over my head and just business as usual. Yeah that's probably it.

Reuters story (3, Insightful)

donutello (88309) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960713)

Here's [msn.com] the Reuters story on this from a few days ago which contains more information.

"Microsoft's secret plan was to plunder the small company of its proprietary information, technical expertise, market knowledge, customers and prospective customers," the filing said.

So now stealing "customers and prospective customers" is a crime for a competitor to commit? Sounds like a case of another company (hint, Sun) which can't achieve success through selling its product so hopes to achieve it through litigation.

Sendo should have thought before signing (3, Insightful)

Zenki (31868) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960729)

If Sendo had the brains to check out what microsoft does with PocketPC, AutoPC, etc, they would realize that MS is in these businesses to sell a uniform platform to people who build hardware that will support it. Eg, what's the real difference between the recent Toshiba PocketPC, Compaq Ipaq, and HP Jornandas? Pretty much nothing. They're all arm, all running PocketPC os, and there really isn't anything that distinguishes them other than some stylistic differences.

MS must have made it clear to Sendo in their deal that they were going to develop a generic cellphone OS that other companies can just bundle in with their telephones.

Anyhow, if Sendo had decided to sue the moment they decided to drop Smartphone, I would have given their lawsuit more credence. Right now, it looks like they're trying to hit up MS to get some $$ before they can get their phone design converted over to Symbian.

Hell, someone should publish the contract that the two companies agreed too. It just a waste of energy to speculate on what happened.

Intellectual property (3, Funny)

Richthofen80 (412488) | more than 11 years ago | (#4960739)

Well, since most slashdotters don't believe in intellectual property, they should obviously side with microsoft.

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