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Digital Rights Management on CD's This Christmas?

Cliff posted more than 11 years ago | from the can't-play-your-new-music-presents-this-year dept.

Music 543

McDrewbie asks: "Has anyone discovered that the new CD's found under the tree or in their stocking don't play on their brand new CD player? My father got a Brookstone Wafer-thin CD system and several new CD's. Most play fine, however several ones from Sony (with CDextra software on them) and from Columbia, either don't play or play with some crackling and popping, yet play fine on our older CD player. Did these companies decide to quietly unleash DRM on the public this holiday season? Or is this just a problem with the new player (separate from it not being DRM capable)? What are other Slashdot readers experiencing today?"

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my question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962566)

I have a question for ask slashdot.

1. Why do I get fp all the time?
2. Why did they ban the real moderators?

Re:my question (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962578)

cuz slashdot is gay and taco and hemos are actually closet homos like riv and chaka?

Re:my question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962691)

turismo mega fucking sucks

Re:my question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962673)

That's two questions, corporal nutfuck.

DRM for a present (5, Funny)

Speedy8 (594486) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962572)

I think that DRM for a present is worse then coal.

Re:DRM for a present (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962626)

I think that you are a fag and not funny.

Re:DRM for a present (0, Troll)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962656)

I think you need to be donkey punched, followed by the life altering experience of waking up in a strange room covered in dog jizz

Re:DRM for a present (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962707)

I think you had a strange affair with a presidential goat.
-os

Re:DRM for a present (1)

abradsn (542213) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962747)

You both got DRM for Christmas, huh?! :)

Re:DRM for a present (1, Offtopic)

jon787 (512497) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962638)

I gave my sister coal for christmas as a joke.

Re:DRM for a present (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962775)

I'll bet that was funny for about two seconds.

No, on second thought, that probably wasn't funny at all.

Re:DRM for a present (2, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962818)

"I gave my sister coal for christmas as a joke."

Did you tell her the coal will turn into diamond? Are you engaged now? Heh.

(it's a joke, laugh.)

Re:DRM for a present (5, Funny)

gooberguy (453295) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962639)

Yes, you are right. I got a lump of coal for christmas and I can use it to heat my house. I bet those who got DRM are freezing to death. Poor bastards. Too bad they didn't get coal for christmas.

Re:DRM for a present (1, Offtopic)

dillon_rinker (17944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962819)

No mod points, but LOL...

Re:DRM for a present (1)

Unregistered (584479) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962679)

yea, you can at least burn coal for heat. cd's stink when burned.

I experienced your mom (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962581)

MMMMMM TUNA

priss frost (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962582)

HAHAHAHHAH!!!!

ac

Take them back... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962587)

Get a refund & then d/l them to burn on CD-R...

If the music companies want to mess around, play them at their own game! :)

Re:Take them back... (3, Interesting)

spanky1 (635767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962675)

What I want to know is how you would go about getting a refund. Most (if not all?) stores have a exchange-only-if-defective policy with music.

Re:Take them back... (2)

orangesquid (79734) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962732)

Customer walks into store with a CD from the store, a receipt, a couple other CD's, and two discmans.
Customer: I'd like a refund on the CD I bought here.
Employee: Sorry, we only refund CD's if they are defective.
Customer: Well, I haven't scratched this or anything [shows bottom of CD], but look.
Customer plays the other CD's just fine on both discmans, but attempts to play the CD from the store and both of them barf.
Employee, fumbling: Well, ummm, if you take that to, uhhh, customer service...

Re:Take them back... (2, Insightful)

Dalcius (587481) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962805)

Are the CDs labeled with a DRM sticker? If not, AFAIK, they're not following the standards of an audio CD. Hence, they're defective.

They don't play in your CD player. Regardless of what they say to the above, I think you can make a very good case.

Fuck slashdot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962589)

Taco can suck my shweaty balls, I'm only here for the free trolling

MODS ARE SHITHEADS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962630)

Overrated? What the fuck is wrong with you fuckers? Some one should fuck you, fuck your dad and take all your fucking mod points because you fuckfaces don't fucking deserve them.

Re:MODS ARE SHITHEADS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962661)

I think you missed one: fuck.

Re:Fuck slashdot (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962783)

I used to work with a woman who swore up and down that ballsweat was something so yummy it should be bottled.

Of course, this was back when I was filming pornos on real film -- before the days of video -- and the woman was a little messed up in the head. She used to come to work in a mink coat and fire engine red heels and yell out how she wanted to fuck the best boy. "Where's the best boy? I want to fuck the best boy."

We told her, look, we're low budget and don't have a best boy.

"What about a grip? I want to fuck the grip!"

No grip, we told her. Just us camera guys, the producer, and Ray Ray the director. "Then Ray Ray," she'd scream. "Let me fuck a man named Ray Ray."

But when she saw Ray Ray and got a whiff of his funk, she decided against it. Ray Ray also made her rethink her notion of bottled ballsweat. I don't know what Ray Ray had going on his body, but it was evil and foul smelling.

Still, he directed the best pornos I'd seen up to that point. He liked camera angles and made the most of bad lighting in tiny little rooms.

Ray Ray overdosed on cocaine and ovaltine and was found one morning by this fourteen year old daughter.

Re:Fuck slashdot (2)

Didion Sprague (615213) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962804)

>> No grip, we told her. Just us camera guys, the producer, and Ray Ray the director. "Then Ray Ray," she'd scream. "Let me fuck a man named Ray Ray."

This is off-topic, but why are the best comments -- the funniest -- oftentimes posted by Anonymous Cowards? This comment -- the whole thing about the grip and the bottled sweat -- is bizarre and disturbing. Isn't there some sort of "off-topic but interesting" mod option?

On-topic, my question: now that DRM is more ubiquitous, how do figure out whether or not the CD is at fault or the player? I mean, how do you know whether or not the Brookstone player you mention is actually bad?

I'm finding, actually, that while CDs are being mucked and fussed with, the quality of new CD players is actually going down. Components I bought years ago seem more rugged -- and able to play more CDs -- than recent stuff.

which cd's? (5, Insightful)

tezzery (549213) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962591)

Anyone care to offer some insight as to which cd titles are doing this? ... so I can save the trouble of buying them and skip right ahead to downloading the mp3's :)

Re:which cd's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962604)

Probably any CD that contains that CDextra feature or whatever.

Personally... (2, Funny)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962592)

"Or is this just a problem with the new player (separate from it not being DRM capable)? " .. I'd recommend getting a broadband connection and an iPod. That'll solve all your problems with defective media(intentionally or otherwise).

Re:Personally... (2, Interesting)

Kinniken (624803) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962643)

"Or is this just a problem with the new player (separate from it not being DRM capable)? " .. I'd recommend getting a broadband connection and an iPod. That'll solve all your problems with defective media(intentionally or otherwise).

lol, my father got one (the iPod). Sure beat DRM CDs ;-)

BTW, it had a "Don't steal music" sticker to fight piracy. Take your pick between the different protection systems, I've made my choide :P

Crappy drive mechanisim? (3, Interesting)

aaronsb (138360) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962595)

Playing the "protected" cds in a CDROM drive would quickly reveal if they are truly copy protected.

I've found that a lot of the stuff you can buy from the sharper image, brookstone, etc. is kind of cheesy. Maybe it's just a crappy drive mechanisim.

Re:Crappy drive mechanisim? (1)

scorp1us (235526) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962645)

I cannot begin hto describe the amount of crappy stuff at Sharper Image. It's novel stuff sure, but the novelty is completely compentated for by the lack of quality. It is that reason, and the fact that the crap is over priced that I'll *never* by anything there.

They make a living selling novelty expensively, and because it's expensive you think it's quality when it's jsut novelty that you're buying. So you get jipped.

Re:Crappy drive mechanisim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962718)

The word is "gyped" not "jipped". The verb "gyp" comes from the race known as Gypsies who were (are?) known to be wandering tricksters, fortune tellers, and scam artists.

Re:Crappy drive mechanisim? (4, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962714)

I've found that a lot of the stuff you can buy from the sharper image, brookstone, etc. is kind of cheesy.

I've felt the same way about their stuff the past couple years. It looks pretty cool in the catalogs, but there is a Sharper Image store down the road and much of the stuff, up close, looks like maybe a good idea manufactured cheaply. In some cases, a stupid idea, altogether. Catalogs can sell stuff you wouldn't normally buy, because some little deception (usually a hot babe holding/using it) used to redirect your attention from it's faults.

That said... With all the crap the music industry has been doing lately, I'm less inclined to buy their products. Are they going to dismiss my few hundred $ a year, no longer spent, on music piracy? I don't even download MP3's (I haven't even had a system I could do anything with them until recently.) I'm more likely to visit the local used CD store and pick up old, pre-DRM music (which might become a hot collector's item if the current trend continues.)

Some day on eBay:

3034898724 Beatles Sgt Pepper Non DRM Current bid: $57.61

Previous Stories (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962598)

The Corrupted Audio CDs [dmoz.org] category at the ODP has several background stories, many from /.

I wonder... (3, Interesting)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962605)

"Has anyone discovered that the new CD's found under the tree or in their stocking don't play on their brand new CD player?"

I wonder if the RIAA realizes that they're pushing me towards MP3's when they pull shit like this. I mean seriously, they'll have no trouble blaming P2P music trading for their downfall if the MP3 is higher quality!

Re:I wonder... (5, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962635)

"I wonder if the RIAA realizes that they're pushing me towards MP3's when they pull shit like this."

I think Slashdot should start an event called "Music Return Day". Here's how it works: Get as many people to buy a known copy-restricted CD as possible. Then, locate a national store that'll accept returns on 'defective CDs' (Best Buy or Walmart maybe?) then, on a particular date, have everybody return that CD.

Heh imagine slashdotting Equifax.

Re:I wonder... (4, Interesting)

Aggrazel (13616) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962666)

[i]"I think Slashdot should start an event called "Music Return Day". Here's how it works: Get as many people to buy a known copy-restricted CD as possible. Then, locate a national store that'll accept returns on 'defective CDs' (Best Buy or Walmart maybe?) then, on a particular date, have everybody return that CD.[/i]

Actually, my wife works at Target. She told me that there are several CDs with "known" issues that they'll take back and exchange for another CD with no questions asked, even though the normal exchange policy is for the same title only if opened. They are returned frequently for not working in people's players.

I don't have a list of the titles, but from what I gather its becoming more and more common. To the point that it will probably annoy the corporate buyers enough that this stuff will stop before it gets too common, IMO.

Self-Fulfilling Prophecy (1)

Esion Modnar (632431) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962820)

RIAA will dork around with DRM just enough to drive people to P2P in retaliation.

Also post them to the complete list of corrupt CDs (5, Informative)

linuxbaby (124641) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962608)

The world's most complete list of music CDs that can't be copied or played on computers and many other electronics equipment, is at Fat Chuck's Corrupt CDs list [fatchucks.com] .

Please also post any new corrupt or DRM CDs you find on that complete list, there.

(While you're at it, boycott the RIAA by buying independent CDs [cdbaby.com] , instead!)

correction (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962664)

That's Fat Chick's Corrupt CDs list [fatchicks.com] .

Re:Also post them to the complete list of corrupt (2, Informative)

prewashedironman (605517) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962717)

Also, for a list of UK Cd's, There is the UK campaign for digital rights, with their list of cd's at the Campaign for digital rights [ukcdr.org]

Re:Also post them to the complete list of corrupt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962781)

Funny. I have many of those CDs downloaded or ripped them my self.

Re:Also post them to the complete list of corrupt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962803)

Do you have a Mac? I do, and that usually means I can copy "protected" CDs like anything else.

Re:Also post them to the complete list of corrupt (1, Insightful)

draggy (30660) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962831)

Thank you for pluralizing the word "CD" correctly.

Players Optional (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962611)

Since I play them all on my laptop, I haven't noticed any issues with new CDs this Xmas. (separate CD players have become optional for me) ;)
-M:FP

CD EXTRA defined (5, Informative)

prisen (578061) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962612)

From Sony's website: CD EXTRA combines the worlds of Music and Multimedia. A traditional audio CD when placed in an audio CD player, CD EXTRA offers a free interactive multimedia experience when played in a computer's CD-ROM drive *. CD EXTRA offers the music fan a closer look at their favorite artists, with many CD EXTRAs containing exclusive content. Other CD EXTRAs contain Internet Service Provider Software which allows you to connect to the Internet.

It's not DRM, AFAIK. I've got several Sony CD EXTRA CD's that are nothing more than multisession CD's [techtarget.com] that some audio CD players simply cannot handle. However, I don't think you can get the same CD offered in both CD EXTRA and non-CD EXTRA formats, so you may be out of luck when trying to play those particular discs in those particular audio CD players; in fact, some older CD-ROM drives can't even handle 'em.

Re:CD EXTRA defined (1)

Sho0tyz (147844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962694)

This is true. I only have one CD-EXTRA disc. It's extremely lame. You put the disc into your CD-ROM and all it does is pop up a picture of the artist with a button to click which is just a link to his website. I'm not sure why this couldn't be accomplished just by printing the URL on the cover, but it doesn't seem to be any sort of copy protection to me. The disc plays fine on every CD player I have, and I was able to rip MP3's from it.

Re:CD EXTRA defined (1)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962713)

It's not DRM, AFAIK.

Either that or it's incredible spin!

From Sony's website: CD EXTRA combines the worlds of Music and Multimedia. A traditional audio CD when placed in an audio CD player, CD EXTRA offers a free interactive multimedia experience when played in a computer's CD-ROM drive *. CD EXTRA offers the music fan a closer look at their favorite artists, with many CD EXTRAs containing exclusive content **. Other CD EXTRAs contain Internet Service Provider Software which allows you to connect to the Internet***.

* For violating the DRA you will hear sirens and cops shouting "Come out with your hands up!" in digital surround sound.

** If you defeat the copy protection, the artist and his/her lawyers will personally send you a court summons and other such legal related content.

*** Every time you load the CD it automatically "phones home" and sends a record of your listening prefs to the home office.

BTM

DRM sucks... (2, Insightful)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962647)

First, if it has DRM is it really a "CD"?

Second - COMPLAIN!

Regardless of it being DRM or a faulty player, you should be compensated. You bought a product (be it the CDs or the player) that does not work. Try complaining about the CD player first (and try the CDs in a few other machines too). Get your player and/or CDs replaced or get refunds.

If it is DRM, they should have labelled it, and they deserve to take some shit for fucking over their customers.

Re:DRM sucks... (4, Funny)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962730)

Wow, that's so insightful!

I've never read those sentiments anywhere before. I find your completely original outlook on these matters interesting, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Keep those stunningly fresh and new ideas coming!

Re:DRM sucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962776)

Are you that dude that hangs out on #windows95 on Dalnet?

Re:DRM sucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962753)

I can't believe you moderators are giving this guy +Insightful. Can't you see he is a RACIST??!!

Mod him the fuck down and get his ugly white face banned off this website.

The Next Hack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962651)

Wait until the hack.
Reburn.
Problem fixed.

Re:The Next Hack (-1)

The Trolling Troller (579075) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962706)

next time try it in a haiku

or, some thing like this...

1.) Wait until the hack
2.) Reburn
3.) ???
4.) Profit!!!

try ripping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962657)

Try ripping to .AIFF/.WAV files (on a mac if possible, they seem to work with more CDs). Burn your dad a CD-R copy and tell him to return any CDs that don't play. Problem solved.

You could also download the files (dunno what kind of music it is) from YFFN (your favorite filesharing network) and burn from their, then take the originals back.

Whatever the case, if you discover these CDs are damaged, DON'T retain posession of them, be sure to take them back or sell them on eBay.

DRM ON CD'S (2, Redundant)

TREETOP (614689) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962658)

Is it me or does the DRM sound a lot like the last desperate act of an industry on the ropes? How long before they realize that the average consumer does not care whether they make a profit or not? As I see it, technology is ripping into those profits like a hungry coyote into a bucket of KFC. And the middlemen do not like sharing. With anyone. Ever.

Re:DRM ON CD'S (2)

Helix150 (177049) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962816)

The thing is that sharing isnt hurting profits. There have been several studies (that arent funded by RIAA groups) that say people who download actually buy MORE music. And it makes sense... if your friend recommends a CD you're not going to spend money unless you know you'll like it, so you download it and test it. Not everyone, but some people do. Profits are down because fewer albums are released each year. not cuz of file sharing.

File sharing isnt going to kill the music industry, but it might save it.

Got a Rio Volt MP3-CD player for christmas... (3, Informative)

Bonker (243350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962665)

Downloaded the manual from Diamond/Sonic-blue.

I was quite gratified to see that while the Volt supports WMA format, it does not support copy protected WMA files. In fact, the manual walks the user through disabling copy protection in Media Player.

Now if only the Volt supported Ogg Vorbis...

Re:Got a Rio Volt MP3-CD player for christmas... (3, Informative)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962752)

Now if only the Volt supported Ogg Vorbis...

They're working on it.

Let's review (2, Flamebait)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962667)

1. Dad's new CD player doesn't play some of our Sony CD's that have CD-Extra on them.
2. These CD's play fine on our other CD players.

Conclusion: DRM!!1!! OMFG!!!1! D00d, that Sux0r!!1!

In other news, my new Dell with Windows XP had trouble recieving Groupwise email the other day. Clearly M$ has decided to secretly break all other mail programs besides Outlook.

Re:Let's review (5, Insightful)

NightRain (144349) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962736)

You obviously missed the question at the end of the article.

Let me quote it for you . Did these companies decide to quietly unleash DRM on the public this holiday season? Or is this just a problem with the new player (separate from it not being DRM capable)? There. See how he asks whether the problem is related to DRM or if it's an issue with his player? You jump down the writers throat for no reason. Posting it in the context of some of the replies to this article would make sense. But straight off the article itself, as if the author is some sort of dweeb is a little rich

Re:Let's review (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962765)

OK... so why didn't the dumbass go down to the Brookstone store and return it? It would have taken less time for him to do that than to submit an "article" on Slashdot and hit reload for the next three hours waiting for a reply...

Re:Let's review (2)

greenrd (47933) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962830)

Don't you think it's unlikely that a CD player would break in such a way that it still worked perfectly for some CDs and not others? In a consistent way. This seems like an implausible explanation to me.

Re:Let's review (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962856)

Doubtful. How many CD's did his father *get* for Christmas, anyway? I don't think he had nearly enough new CD's to test that would bring someone to, in any scientific sense, conclude "DRM!"

Re:Let's review (2)

greenrd (47933) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962788)

Well, let's consider. What's more likely - DRM, or a bug in the new CD player's digital-to-analog conversion circuits?

If you don't know the answer to that question, perhaps you shouldn't be mocking something you don't understand.

Re:Let's review (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962826)

MAYBE THERE IS A PIECE OF DIRT ON THE LASER LENS.

It would have been much easier for the poster of this "article" to just have taken the CD player back to where it came from -- to find out for sure -- than to post to Slashdot and sit there like a goddamned dork clicking his reload button for three worthless hours waiting for a bunch of idiots to answer...

Fuck the RIAA (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962676)

Fuck the RIAA.

So long as DRM remains a threat, I won't buy another CD. I'll use Kazaa or whatever. They must realize that DRM is pushing users towards P2P -- and pushing them quickly.

If they remove DRM, I'll gladly go back to buying CDs. I have a *huge* CD collection. This is the first year I've not bought a single CD.

So fuck Hillary. Fuck the RIAA. And fuck all the technoshmucks who are making CDs that won't work in my five year old CD player.

Fuck the motherfuckers who make CDs that won't play on my LiteOn CDROM. If I buy the CD, I expect it to play everywhere I stick it. If I stick it up my ass and there's a CD player there, I expect it to play.

If I stick it up my dog's ass and there's a CD player there, I expect it to play.

But if I have to think twice before buying it because I'm afraid it won't play in the CD player in my parrots ass, then forget it.

And they can forget my business, too. You fuck with me Hillary, I'll fuck with you.

Fuck the RIAA and all their SWAT team, tin-foil shit. Fuck the RIAA stooges who track Kazaa users and nail them with DMCA violations.

And fuck the DMCA and all the good ol' racist republicans who voted for it.

Fuck Bill OReilly. Fuck Rush. And fuck anyone who says it's a no-spin zone. Everything's a fucking spin zone, and if you're fucked up enough to pretend it's not, then you deserve a goddamn Philips CD player up your ass.

Fuck the terrorists, too. Fuck the fascists who think that by bombing everyone they'll get sympathy. They won't.

Re:Fuck the RIAA (2)

StoryMan (130421) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962699)

>>Fuck the RIAA and all their SWAT team, tin-foil shit. Fuck the RIAA stooges who track Kazaa users and nail them with DMCA violations.

What's "tin-foil" shit? Am I missing something?

Good rant, though.

Re:Fuck the RIAA (1)

nocomment (239368) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962839)

the put tin-foil-on your head so they can't scan your brain thing.

Re:Fuck the RIAA (1)

tstoneman (589372) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962847)

If you don't know what the "tin-foil shit" is, you must have already been assimilated by The Man with His brain-altering alpha and beta rays.

Re:Fuck the RIAA (2, Flamebait)

Didion Sprague (615213) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962740)

>> But if I have to think twice before buying it because I'm afraid it won't play in the CD player in my parrots ass, then forget it.

Two questions come to mind:

1) Do parrots have asses?

2) Is there an apostrophe there? As in "parrot's ass"?

Such off-topic ranting is a sign of something very, very bad. However, I do agree with your notion that DRM is probably driving folks to piracy.

Re:Fuck the RIAA (2)

quantum bit (225091) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962821)

That's all they have (Parrots have a single hole for everything, doesn't matter if they're male or female).

Re:Fuck the RIAA (1)

micahmicahmicah (600841) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962822)

In "Parrots ass" - you would not use the apostrophe as their is no specified possession. In his usage though, "my parrots ass" - there should have been an apostrophe since the ass belongs to the parrot, and it is being referred to in the possessive sense. But I'm no english teacher.

Re:Fuck the RIAA (1)

micahmicahmicah (600841) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962798)

That was sad and pointless, you might as well piss in the wind. To speak that big while posting anonymously removes all credibility.

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962687)

Has slashdot become your CD player manufaturer's support site now or what?!

-1 redundant (3, Interesting)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962692)

The only people they are keeping honest with this bull$hit are honest people. The only people they are annoying with this $hit are honest AOL users. Anybody with a /. account will say 'big deal, if I can hear it I can rip it, a hack will be out within hours, no problem etc.' I am not worried about this $hit for my sake, I am worried about this for the non-technical people, whom are 99% of the people I meet.

DRM won't stop the 'criminals', it will merely annoy those who are honest.

time to turn over a new leaf... (1)

PhreakOfTime (588141) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962695)

My father got a Brookstone Wafer-thin CD system and several new CD's

Did these companies decide to quietly unleash DRM on the public this holiday season? Or is this just a problem with the new player (separate from it not being DRM capable)?

Some people just choose to have things dictated to them and then wonder why it wasnt done exactly right. Boo-Hoo, I bought an overpriced metal box and some shiny disks and I cant even do what I want with them...

Sooner or later you'll figure it out and stop asking obvious questions.

Re:time to turn over a new leaf... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962737)

WooHoo I found a retard!

Last Post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962701)

Goodbye.

YOU DID IT! (-1)

YOU DID IT! (630541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962735)

Congratulations! You got Last Post.

YOU DID IT!

Elvis Collection (2)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962719)

My sister got the grandparents a CD with "The Best of Elvis." It doesn't play on the home CD player... it spins up, and then the player skips to the next disc. I haven't verified it on another player, but I'd imagine that it may be DRM?

Check it on a newer system. (2)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962793)

It's probably the size of the CD itself. I believe that the Elvis CD is actually an 80 minute CD and older players have problems with that.

Rights? +10, Informative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962728)

You have NO rights. This is the United States of Amerika.

Get Your War On [mnftiu.cc]

Cheers,
W00t

+10? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962758)

More like +10E200

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Your comment violated the "postercomment" compression filter. Try less whitespace and/or less repetition. Comment aborted.

What's all this talk about "playing it their way"? (2, Interesting)

foolip (588195) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962746)

Half of these comments are saying that it's no problem, since you can just download the music as mp3s (cough, vorbis!!, cough). While I would personally never (ever) buy a cd with copy protection, I think this mentality is sort of stupid. I actually believe that you should support the artists which you like. Yes, perhaps artists don't get very much when you buy a cd, but listen. You're not punishing the record labels buy not buying their stuff! Ok, perhaps they get less money, but it's not like it makes a difference (consumer power to hell). What would be nice to do is:
1. Buy the disc, rip it (as ogg vorbis, not fscking mp3). I've yet to encounter a copy protected disc which can't be copied...
2. Turn the disc back to the store, claiming it's useless. (it is, sort of)
3. Send a check to the artists, and say that you like them, but hate their record label, and explain what you did.
4. Send a letter to the record label, say that you hate them, and tell them what you did about it.

I'll admit I've never actually done this myself (because none of the music I like has been copy protected so far). But, hey, doesn't it sound like something?

To hell with OGG (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962782)

OGG == Openly Gay Geek
What's with slashfuckers' OGG fetish.
Use MP3 it's teh standard!

Re:To hell with OGG (1)

foolip (588195) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962833)

Hrm. I was not advocating the ogg framework specifically (what's with all thes idiots who think .ogg means ogg is a audio format? Ever heard of the avi codec?).
If you did not notice, we (at least I) don't give a shit what's "teh standard", we use what we believe is the best. And that sure as hell is not MP3 (several reasons: quality, patents, licensing).
If I were to use the "standard", I'd be killing myself on WinXP, MS Word, MSN Messenger and fscking MP3s! I'd rather eat my own arm, thank you very much!

Re:What's all this talk about "playing it their wa (2)

manly_15 (447559) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962810)

2. Turn the disc back to the store, claiming it's useless. (it is, sort of)

Unfortunately, many stores, such as HMV [hmv.com] have stopped accepting returns on opened CD's, claiming that there is the possibility that they have been copied. At least we know that the CD stores are smart enough to know that any copy protection can and will be broken.

Re:What's all this talk about "playing it their wa (1)

foolip (588195) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962845)

I've also encountered this, and it's unfortunate. However, returning a disc because it is unplayable MUST be permitted, even by law or something. In any case, you can be sure to have a tough ride trying it :)

DRM? More like bad pressing (2, Troll)

Lucius Sour (636091) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962761)

I'm just a part time nerd. My line of work is making records. Most of the time my blood, sweat and tears (it comes to that much of the time) gets mangled by bad pressing. CDs are virually worthless. On a long pressing run (on E. John or yet another Bleatles greatest hits) the unit cost is negligible. It has often been felt that long playing-time CDs (greatest-blah-album-ever type things) sound poor but the wisdom is that digits-is-digits. Until Studio Sound actually tested this assertion. Bugger me if it wasn't true. Something to do with narrow track widths, thin allyplate and jitter. Time was that we, the producers, used to get a test pressing, to make sure that the inevitable transition to consumer formats hadn't sucked all the life from our babies. After all, as Producers it's our job to give the company a saleable product. Not anymore.They just press 'em, ship 'em and stack 'em. I've heard such abortions (of recordings I bust my guts over) coming from pressing plants that any cack you hear is possibly just bad pressing. Then again, The Enemy (the bastard cokehead record execs) may just be trying a technological stay of their inevitable execution. Chop away. We who actually make the records can't wait for the day when all OUR profits aren't snorted. Happy New Year to all fellow techs (and good luck getting that cabbie job to record company executives.)

Nothing is going to hurt CD sales like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962764)

....this violations of the Redbook standard.

We said it before, we will say it again,
The RIAA is EVIL!!!!!!!!!!

Are /. submitters getting dumber? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962768)

It seems that people can speculate on anything they know nothing about and get it posted to Slashdot as news (see yesterday's iTunes/OGG post).

Folks, just becuase something happens to you, it doesn't mean it happens to everyone. It is quite possible that you don't know what you are doing.

I bet the Japanese are laughing at us.. (1, Troll)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962778)

"Those sirry Americans think they'll sell more products if they make them defective!"

Business plan for the music industry (0)

Knytefall (7348) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962786)

1. Make corrupt, DRM-infested CDs.
2. Resell electronic versions online using DRM-infested digital audio files.
3. Piss off customers.
4. ???
5. Profit!

Personally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4962789)

I think the RIAA can burn in hell... They think that trying copy protection is going to work... Well first, its going to piss off people more, and we'll download more MP3's and they'll loose more money for wasting time developing this useless feature... Second, the DVD industry tried copy protection, and we all know that it did not work either(i.e. divx file format). So regardless of their useless attempts, geeks and techs will find a way around it, and they will be back to ground zero again to start over.

Experiencing today.... (2)

StarTux (230379) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962806)

Wishing I had more time off from work. Was a welcome break.

This is not "DRM" (2, Informative)

tuxlove (316502) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962825)

The CDs in question are copy-protected. They are designed to play properly in a standard, dumb CD player, but not a "smart" CD player like the ones you find in your computer. Manufacturers are now starting to put CD ROM drives into CD players, which sounds like your problem.

There are numerous copy protection schemes out there, but it sounds like Sony is using the one that has bad error correction info, which makes the disc sound like crap if the CD player pays attention to it. Dumb ones don't, and tend to play normally (until you get scratches on your CD!).

Of course, anyone willing to spend about 10 minutes researching the issue can find the appropriate software/hardware to rip copy protected discs just fine. Copy protection will only stop the least sophisticated users from ripping the music. Just shows how stupid the record labels are.

don't give them money (2)

mr_burns (13129) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962834)

If you don't like DRM CD's, then don't buy any CD's from any label which produces them. They'll get the message.

If you disagree with the RIAA's politics or technological positions and you give their member labels money, you are a hypocrite. Take that money you were going to give to Sony and give it to a label which isn't a corrupt cabal of mobsters. One that will actually give the artists a fair cut of the money and not bootleg CD's under their nose. Or give it to the EFF.

Don't be a hypocrite. Put your money where your mouth is. If you don't like DRM CD's, then boycott the labels that sell them.

Its as simple as this: (1)

BesigedB (632170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4962842)

An audio cd should be compatible with any and all hardware and software that it is designed to play them.
If it does not, IT SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED.
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