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Indian Government Moves to Let Linux In

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the come-and-knock-on-our-door dept.

Linux Business 330

Webi writes "The government of India has started taking precise, wide-reaching steps to usher in a Linux wave in India." India sure seems to be a highly contested arena lately. Interestingly, India's plan calls for government-sponsored support and call centers. Looks like they've really thought this through.

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you better believe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963492)

I got the first grasshopper post!

Sweet! (5, Funny)

Neck_of_the_Woods (305788) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963499)


Maybe they will outsource linux support to the us!

I better start learning my Hindi!

English in India (5, Funny)

Mdog (25508) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963520)

Actually, English will be just fine. Anybody in India who is well-off enough to deal with computers almost definately speaks English. Whether it's English non-Indians can understand is a different matter all together.

Re:English in India (5, Interesting)

robb0995 (633070) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963562)

I am in the process of opening a satellite office in India for my company to hire developers and back office personnel, and language doesn't really seem to be a barrier at all.

In fact, my next trip over, I am scheduled to meet with training centers that train call center agents to speak with a midwestern american accent, and even teaches them current events!! So, this is not even socio-economic class-based, as developers earn significantly more than they do.

You have to remember that the country was a UK colony until 1948, English is not nearly the problem I worried that it might be.

Thanks! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963626)

Thanks for contributing to the continued unemployment in the US. I only hope your plane takes a dive in to the ocean. Bastard.

Re:Thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963642)

Funny, americans that are scared of competition. Guess it's only good when you're winning huh?

Only Two Posts and I get a death threat! Cool! (1)

robb0995 (633070) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963655)

Oh come now, surely there was a day or two of economics even in your seemingly limited education.

Perhaps if they started calling it an "Open Source" economy, people wouldn't be so quick to defend jingoistic positions that inefficiently allocate labor.

Re:Thanks! (1)

stevejsmith (614145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963656)

Yeah, because some high school dropout who will only now earn $20,000 per year needs the job more than a college educated Indian who can't find a job but is willing to work for the equivalent of $2,000 per year in order to feed is three-person family. That was sarcasm, in case you didn't notice.

Re:Thanks! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963738)

No, that was not sarcasm, just fucking stupid. Like you. Because you suck.

p.s. loser.

p.p.s. stfu.

Ah, yes (1, Informative)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963736)

Your rant sounds much like the idiotic xenophobia and hyper-nationalism present in Germany that let Hitler come to power.

No one, including the United States, can just close their doors and shut out the outside world. And the outside world is willing to work without also requiring wages that purchase an HDTV, SUV, high-end computer, and two-story house.

US developers still have benefits over Indian ones. They're closer, easier to communicate with.

So you just have to leverage that.

Which means maybe eating plainer foods, not eating out at restauraunts, driving a used car, not upgrading your home theater and computer yearly, not going on cruises, and not goofing off at work. Not buying pills for minor things like depression. Not owning a second car. Becaue the competition is willing to do this and more. So you can evolve...or die.

Re:English in India (1, Flamebait)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963652)

Anybody in India who is well-off enough to deal with computers almost almost definately speaks English

Better than you, I'm guessing.

Re:Sweet! (4, Funny)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963525)



Too late, man. Hindi is obsolete!

Hindi++ is where it's at nowadays.

Re:Sweet! (5, Funny)

einer (459199) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963636)

Don't waste your time with that, Microsoft has already broken the Hindi++ interpreter and replaced it with it's own proprietary version called Hindi#.

Re:Sweet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963729)

Country with the most number of English speaker?

Not US, not UK, but India.

And unlike some people, most Indians are trilingual.

Re:Sweet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963762)

damn - I hope all you unemployed dot.commie scum like curry. And don't forget not to hurt the cows, they get pissed about that over there.

Software spending? (-1, Troll)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963500)

Anyone know what kind of money India throws around for software? They've got a lot of people, but are very poor (per capita), so what sort of market is that cesspool?

Re:Software spending? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963521)

Who cares what kind of market India has, would you do business with the brown devil?

Re:Software spending? (0, Troll)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963536)

Clearly, Microsoft would and the open source community seems ready to embrace the dot-heads too.

Anyway, I'm just curious... we should all be curious, about everything.

Re:Software spending? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963696)

Dot-heads, eh? Boy, you really are a racist aren't you? Fuck off, Nazi scum.

P.S.
You do get brownie points for being so upfront about your..erm...views, fuckwad.

Re:Software spending? (1)

stevejsmith (614145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963669)

I wonder why it's a cess pool? Maybe because of the long British imperial rule who didn't give a shit about anyone but those three guys who owned those three plantions? No, couldn't be. It's got to be those people who are harming you so much by letting the women put dots on their foreheads. That, again, was sarcasm, in case that American flag was stuck too far up your ass.

Re:Software spending? (0, Troll)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963704)

I don't really care why it's a cess pool. If it's because of the British rule, well, isn't it the fault of India for being so weak in the first place?

Besides, they fucked up the Ganges themselves, then they bathed in it.

Oh, yeah, they're pretty ugly. I don't like having to look at them (they stink too).

Re:Software spending? (2, Interesting)

stevejsmith (614145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963737)

Maybe they're poor because of you? Do you really think that if the United States stopped trading with everybody (specifically Iraq and Saudi Arabia, our main oil suppliers considering that Venezuala is for shit now), dropped Alaska (we bought it from Russia, you know, because of good diplomatic relationships), we would still be the super power that we are? No. We would smell and we'd bathe in the Mississippi River. Are you so dumb that you don't understand that? If all other nations did to the United State what you want to do to India and Saudi Arabia, do you think we'd be the way we are? No. No we would not. Get an education, because you've just been outsmarted by a high school freshman.

Re:Software spending? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963784)

I didn't get outsmarted by you.

Do you really think that if the United States...

If we gave away everything we own we'd be poor. If you took it in the ass you'd be gay. What the hell is your point? We aren't poor, I assume that you don't take it in the ass. You could do billions of "what if" scenarios, but that doesn't change the way things are.

They're filthy because they're filthy. No matter how poor Europeans have been, they knew better than to shit in their drinking/bath water. They're poor because they can't produce anything of value on their own.

Note: I hit the limit of posts for today, hence the "Anonymous Coward"...

Down with Saudi Arabia!!!

Re:Software spending? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963676)

you're such a fucking racist.

Re:Software spending? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963709)

Yeah, no fucking kidding. Maybe that's why his nick is "I am a racist", hmmmm?

Re:Software spending? (0, Flamebait)

inteller (599544) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963751)

I dunno, sounds like the perfect place for a cheapskate platform like Linux.

Re: I don't normally respond to trolls but.. (0)

leerpm (570963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963766)

Here's a piece of advice for you to hopefully follow:

Please don't procreate :)

text of the article (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963501)

Govt move on to let in Linux
PRASENJIT BHATTACHARYA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 25, 2002 12:54:49 PM ]

NEW DELHI: The government of India has started taking precise, wide-reaching steps to usher in a Linux wave in India.

And that cannot be good news for proprietary software vendors like Microsoft. Yesterday, the IT ministry had a meeting of around 70 people, from companies like HP, IBM, Sun and TCS, government agencies like BARC and CDAC, state governments like Kerala, West Bengal and MP to evolve a level playing field for Linux vis-a-vis proprietary software (read Microsoft).

All the IITs too were represented at the meeting that went on for 4 hours.

There was consensus in the meeting that Linux was a secure, robust and cost-effective system.

As far as concrete pro-Linux acts go, government tenders may soon stop specifying Microsoft or any other vendor's name while floating software tenders, thus throwing open the way for Linux vendors to grab lucrative government contracts hitherto barred from them.

The government is also setting up special interest groups with officials of industry and academia to find out how Linux can be deployed in e-governance, defence, education and so on.

Since support to Linux is till a big issue, the government is also thinking in terms of setting up support and resource services, and call centres for Linux users. It is also looking at setting up pilot sites, where Linux applications can be "touched and felt". A heartening fact for Linux-philes would be the enthusiasm for Linux shown by extremely security-sensitive agencies like Bhabha Atomic Research Centre and the National Information Centre (NIC).

Another aspect that came out in the meeting was the work on Indianisation of Linux that's happening now.

C-DAC's agency NCST and Red Hat have, for instance, developed a Hindi version of Linux, called Indix. IIT Mumbai too is doing pioneering research in Linux.

Yesterday's meeting of industry, academia and government representatives was chaired by IT secretary R R Shah. According to industry sources, companies like Sun and TCS were all enthusiasm for Linux, with the TCS representative claiming that the company was implementing the country's largest Linux project in Chennai. The government, however, was at pains to bring out the fact that it was not against Microsoft or proprietary software and was only looking to leverage the strengths of open source software.

However, one official present at the meeting wisecracked, "Microsoft would have had a heart attack if it was present at the meeting. The interest in Linux at this meeting was palpable."

One influential official told ET that many people were "violently against" computer textbooks in schools and colleges teaching Microsoft Word or Excel, instead of generic applications or technologies, like word processors. Industry sources also said that on the sidelines of the meeting, there were two views among those present about Microsoft's reported move of sharing source code with the government. While some thought it was just "posturing" by MS, others felt that it was a "genuine" attempt by the Redmond giant to reach out.

However, sources said that it was the representative from Madhya Pradesh, who made a forceful case for Linux. He said that since MP had a paucity of resources, Linux seemed the best solution for the state. He, however, said that there was need to train people in Linux technologies. A member of the Linux user group sprang up to say that the MP government can take help of the extremely active Linux User group in Indore.

fuck fuck fuck (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963507)

fuck the globalists and the chinks/browns who take our jobs away

Re:fuck fuck fuck (-1, Troll)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963523)

fuck the globalists and the chinks/browns who take our jobs away

Nice sentiment, but next time be a little more proud of your thoughts and don't post as "Anonymous Coward". There's nothing wrong with not liking the chinks/browns who take our jobs away. If more people would actually speak up about these problems, we could actually fix them.

Re:fuck fuck fuck (3, Insightful)

smd4985 (203677) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963600)

You guys need to take an economics course. Globalization and outsourcing of jobs to other countries is not bad in and of itself. In fact, in general it benefits everyone in the long run. In the short term the workers who were let go are hurt, but if the proper steps are taken (i.e. new skills training) then the short term loss is minimized.

If it wasn't for cheap foreign labor, America would never have been able to become a service economy. Basically, Americans could not have been as rich without cheap foreign labor.

Re:fuck fuck fuck (0, Offtopic)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963634)

I wasn't commenting on the economics of the situation. In fact, that's a very complex issue, and various aspects of globalization can be good or bad. We could certainly bounce posts back and forth on the subject for weeks. I was just commenting on the fact that people love to express controversial opinions as "Anonymous Coward", instead of standing behind their beliefs.

As you can tell, I'm a racist. My posts often get modded down, just because of my username. But, I'm still very upfront about my beliefs. I think if more people were honest about what they think, we'd be better off.

Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (0, Troll)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963512)


Let India worry about itself.

I need to eat.

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (3, Insightful)

greenrd (47933) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963569)

Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why?

Maybe you should, maybe you shouldn't, but the point is it provides a positive example of how to engage the government in promoting open source - whatever country you're in. That's of interest to a lot of us, I think - not just the Indian Slashdotters. ;-)

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (5, Insightful)

agentZ (210674) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963572)

Because the government of the world's largest democracy just told the world's biggest business to go soak its head.

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (3, Informative)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963617)

Yeah, except for the fact that the world's biggest business is Wal-Mart, and MS doesn't even rank on the top ten [smh.com.au] .

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (1)

einer (459199) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963668)

Sorry, your list is wrong. Columbia's leading cocaine cartel is by far the largest operating 'business' on the planet. I would even put them on the same ethical footing. At least they're producing something that people WANT to use. ;)

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (1)

mab (17941) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963735)

Yep its number 175 according to this [fortune.com]

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (1)

peripatetic_bum (211859) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963649)

Because the floodgates of jobs that are going to India are just going to get wider and anyone with half a clue is going to realize that they are going to be computer against a huge nation with as much a talent pool to draw from as they US has, esp when it comes to tech

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963675)

In marketcap they are No. 1 or close.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=msft+wmt&d=t

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (1)

mixmasta (36673) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963693)

yeah, says MS is #72

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/fortune500

oh really? (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963756)

More like no thank you. God when someone doesn't buy MS you act like its a huge act of defiance. Grow the fuck up will you? I give this thing about 18 months before it collapses.

Re:Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why? (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963788)

"Ok, And I Should Caaaree......Why?"

Because it means all the PoS's at 7-11 will soon be running Linux.

At least, I think that'll be the biggest effect it'll have on you. Your hotdogs will no longer be pre-made.

Hopefully they'll keep coking. (-1, Offtopic)

egg troll (515396) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963533)

I sure hope this doesn't take away from their ability to make curries and naan. I swear I've never had better food in my life than Indian food. Mmmm....tandori

Re:Hopefully they'll keep coking. (1)

Jennifer Ever (523473) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963553)

Fuck yeah! Naan and that bangin' Martha crap. bang tan barta or something. With that green mint sauce. Ohh yeah.

Re:Hopefully they'll keep coking. (-1, Offtopic)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963786)

troll. sod off and die. last thing we need are trolls.

So Billy Boy couldn't bully the Indians... (5, Insightful)

MamasGun (602953) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963535)

...good for them!

In developing countries, Free/Open software makes tremendous sense. When your average worker doesn't make enough money in the average month to buy a license to Microsoft's latest OS, you know there's a disconnect.

Maybe my home state (CA, the new capital of hideous debt) might take a lesson from India.

Re:So Billy Boy couldn't bully the Indians... (0, Troll)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963578)

Does open source really make sense?

What would a total cost analysis show? Would the cost of administration, customization, training, support, and finding the necessary applications cancel any benefits of not buying licenses?

One thing a lot of people ignore is that software, on an enterprise scale, almost always comes with a support package and some amount of custom solutions. Of course, the quality of the support/solutions is up for debate on a per company basis.

Still, open source might be cheaper, but I haven't investigated enough to be sure. I tend to not trust the analysis of someone pushing an agenda (MS, Stallman, etc.).

Re:So Billy Boy couldn't bully the Indians... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963661)

Yeah, all that support and so forth can come from LOCAL BUSINESSES instead of allmighty Microsoft. A handful of smart teenagers learning the Linux source code will do wonders for innovation and local business in India, I'd bet.

Better to pay a local $10 instead of shipping $100 to Microsoft, eh?

Foreign companies of any type would be better off NOT being under microsoft's (or the USA's) control. (And no, you're not under Stallman's control if you use Linux, so who cares what his agenda is).

Re:So Billy Boy couldn't bully the Indians... (3, Insightful)

drudd (43032) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963670)

You have to remember that India is developing very rapidly as an IT power, but the rest of its economy is still struggling.

So the labor costs in India relative to license fees are MUCH lower than in the US. So open source is removing the bulk of operating costs.

Doug

server room (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963539)

How big of a tee-pee will the Indians need for their server room?

Gubmint sponsored call centers? (4, Funny)

snarkasaurus (627205) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963546)

"Interestingly, India's plan calls for government-sponsored support and call centers."

Oh joy! Another place to be put on eternity hold.

Any word if they plan on suporting the entire world or just the users in the Indian government?

Re:Gubmint sponsored call centers? (3, Funny)

thelexx (237096) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963647)

This may actually be a really worthwhile thing. They should put meditation training in the call hold system so you can get enlightened while you wait. Or, in fact, get any enlightenment at all if their tech support is like most.

worlds largest linux market (1)

binary tr011 (621012) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963547)

This is a great thing since india has a great tech industry and will allow them to develop linux aplications.

a little offtopic [cyberstreet.net]

PS: it will also allow for a larger market share for linux to which is always a good thing.

You people are absolutely intriguing (-1, Flamebait)

SteweyGriffin (634046) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963563)

I really just can't seem to get enough of the Slashdot community's "vibe".

Would my car perform any better if I had the precise engineering details about how every little part worked? Of course not, because I don't have a Ph.D in mechanical engineering and don't study chemistry.

Linux isn't necessary inherently better just because the source code is widely available. As in the car analogy, most would prefer to buy Microsoft (Ford, Chrysler, Mercedes, etc.) rather than hacking up a Linux (junkyard car put together from spare parts that are widely available) distribution.

India is no different, and I strongly advise them to buy an already working package for a fair price rather than tinkering with projects that are 20% complete and may never be more than halfway finished.

Oh, and all you complaining about not having a job -- I think Microsoft and other American companies getting more business means that there'll be more jobs here on the homefront. Just a thought...I'm not economic genius, but it seems to make sense doesn't it?

Re:You people are absolutely intriguing (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963602)

I don't have a Ph.D in mechanical engineering and don't study chemistry.

Really??? Who would have guessed judging from the insighfulness of your comment.

Re:You people are absolutely intriguing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963631)

India is no different, and I strongly advise them to buy an already working package for a fair price rather than tinkering with projects that are 20% complete and may never be more than halfway finished.

Yes, I'm sure the freakin' GOVERNMENT OF INDIA will come to slashdot and read your troll and COMPLETELY CHANGE THEIR MINDS.

I mean, BILL FUCKING GATES came to India and gave them free copies of Office to fight AIDS (or whatever, maybe he actually gave money this time), and THAT didn't change their minds, what the heck did YOU donate?

Re:You people are absolutely intriguing (4, Insightful)

RealAlaskan (576404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963700)

Would my car perform any better if I had the precise engineering details about how every little part worked?

Yes, you do, and yes, it does.

You may not have those details to hand, but they are available to you. You may not want those details, but they are available to folks who are able to use them. That's why your fancy-schmancy modern car is significantly better than Grandpa's Model T.

... most would prefer to buy Microsoft (Ford, Chrysler, Mercedes, etc.) rather than hacking up a Linux (junkyard car ...

How about Microsoft (1950's Rolls Royce clone, with a trouble-prone Chevy engine) versus Linux (modern Subaru)?

... I think Microsoft and other American companies getting more business means that there'll be more jobs here on the homefront. Just a thought...I'm not economic genius ...

Right. You aren't. We can get jobs through trade with India. We don't have to sell them software to trade. Your conclusion may be obvious, but it is quite possibly wrong.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

blackgasmask (631716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963727)

YOU would be absolutely intriguing!!

Re:You people are absolutely intriguing (5, Insightful)

Lysol (11150) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963758)

India is different! They have a lot of brain/man power over there. And they are still a very poor country. That will change tho, and when it does, would you rather them be pushing m$ or something free? It's not about performance or source code, it's completely about economics and control of ones own future and brain power.

Besides, not every country in the world can pay ridiculous license fees for shotty software just to make a few people in some other country richer. Argh, ya know, instead of bitching about other countries, people should go there and check it out first hand. You'll see things in a completely different light and probably realize the whole high-priced, disposable 'american way' can't fly everywhere. jeeze, this is so obvious!

As far as complaing about jobs, sorry man (really!), but remember, those of you lower on the ladder were sacraficed for those higher up. How many bosses took pay cuts or forfeited their vacation so you could stay on board? Absolutely none! So before you go complaing about those bad immigrants or bad people in other countries taking your jobs just remember, someone had to make that decision here at home. And it was your ex-boss/superstar management team.
We won't have to worry about a terrorist attack or the like ruining our economy because we're doing it to ourselves. Give the middle guy a decent wage and get some creative management not selling their souls for the all mighty dollar and we'll go far. Of course, this is completely unrealistic today, but hey, some of us still have to keep thinking ahead..

Re:You people are absolutely intriguing (2)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963780)

Would my car perform any better if I had the precise engineering details about how every little part worked? Of course not, because I don't have a Ph.D in mechanical engineering and don't study chemistry.

No, but didja ever think that *maybe* chemists out there might want to put their own ideas and improvements into practice?

And unlike the auto world, in the computer world it's *very* easy to propogate one person's improvements around to everyone.

Linux isn't necessary inherently better just because the source code is widely available.

It's certainly an edge, though it doesn't make it better-regardless-of-other-factors.

The fact that it's also free-as-in-beer is a pretty big incentive, though.

India is no different, and I strongly advise them to buy an already working package for a fair price rather than tinkering with projects that are 20% complete and may never be more than halfway finished.

There are plenty of commercial programs that I don't consider particularly finished, and there are plenty of open-source programs that are finished.

Most stuff that you get when you download a Red Hat ISO is pretty solid stuff. Sure, you can get at CVS to a bunch of projects if you'd like to as well.

Oh, and all you complaining about not having a job -- I think Microsoft and other American companies getting more business means that there'll be more jobs here on the homefront. Just a thought...I'm not economic genius, but it seems to make sense doesn't it?

Keeping jobs in an environment where American workers are demanding obscene pay and benefits and aren't providing equivalently better performance is always going to be an issue. That's an unstable system that's going to break sooner or later. The only solution is for US workers to reduce their demands and take advantage of the benefits their government offers them. Are they drinking beer and watching football on the weekends, or studying a book from our free library system?

Mono making it easier to pick Linux? (2)

smd4985 (203677) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963568)

Not that I hope .NET gains much traction, but if it does I think the Mono project is a real godsend.

Since .NET is mainly an API and MS seems to be supporting alternate but conforming .NET implementations, the Mono project is another reason to use Linux. If applications start using .NET in the future a government won't be at a disadvantage pushing/using Linux.

Re:Mono making it easier to pick Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963687)

Mono is a cancer. But we can count on MS to squash it eventually, so who cares?

good for the economy (1, Insightful)

Rambo, John J. (633310) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963573)

This is good for the economy.

A mammoth country like India is the first spark, pretty soon after other parts of the world follows, the tech support business model will take off.

Three steps to profit (4, Funny)

RealAlaskan (576404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963580)

Governments should:

1) Talk up linux.
2) When Bill and Melinda offer money, make nice.
3) Adopt Linux, and watch your people PROFIT.
4) Watch their tax recipts rise.

Whoops, that was 4 steps. Well, government projects usually go over budget.

but .. but .. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963582)

But Linux is licensed under the GPL! The GPL was written by Richard Stallman! RICHARD STALLMAN, people!

My God, don't these people know what they're doing? The GPL isn't really "free"! RMS is very annoying! You can't make money with Linux! India's computer businesses will GO BANKRUPT!

This must be stopped now! Otherwise, people might read the GPL and actually believe that crap about freedom! Quick, Bill Gates, wonderful capitalist, get in there and teach these guys about the real freedom of Windows!

Re:but .. but .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963593)

Shit, I almost forgot, when you use the GPL, you have to rename your country GNU/India! I swear, that's what it says in the GPL!

Re:but .. but .. (1)

Ziest (143204) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963701)

But Linux is licensed under the GPL! The GPL was written by Richard Stallman! RICHARD STALLMAN, people!

My God, don't these people know what they're doing? The GPL isn't really "free"! RMS is very annoying!


Yea, Richard is very annoying but he has done to advance Computer Science than you have

'Looks like they've really thought this through' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963587)

good job, not like they've got the nuke or anything.
Where do all these thinking people come from.

thats all very well but... (1)

guest12 (248543) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963599)

they are focussed on the cost aspect "inexpensive beer" not the "free as in speech". A few tech savvy individuals dont represent the bulk of bored civil servants and decision makers. They just want to stretch a rupee further.

Re:thats all very well but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963645)

Go there once or twice and see the Business and Government decision making setting in the Tech industry. You'll be surprised how sophosticated and educated the decision makers are. The other areas of their industry and government can learn a lot from their own Tech industry.

Crap joke warning (3, Funny)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963606)


No windows, no gates, apache inside.

Hehe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963776)

This one is actually good!

MS is poised to dominate the Linux market... (1)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963607)

...do you really think that Office, Explorer, Visual Studio, Visual Basic, ect ect ect HASN'T been ported to Lunix?

Do you, really?

Do you really think that Gates hasn't put a kick ass team together that whipped up a marvelous distro that makes every distro out there today look like the random keyboard peckings of idiot children?

Please.

Bill G is has no constraints - be it capital, time, motivation, talent, ideas, or secretive Linux development.... the man has unlimited resources.

India will follow the rest of the world like the sheep they are... right into Bill G's wallet.

As far as India adopting Linux... atleast they are plagarizing decent code now.

Re:MS is poised to dominate the Linux market... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963673)


Speculation is not reality. Irrespetive of that you or I think, the Linux "market" won't be like the MSwindows market. M$ can't control it without the addiction of the operating system. Think of what MS dominates that does NOT use their OS.

The rest of your comment is not worthy of a reply.

Bill G. is no longer in charge of M$ (2)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963684)

He just has enough money of his own to personally buy every member of congress, the supreme court, and even the president.

With that kind of money, you don't need to adopt the best OS around.

Letter From The Indian Government (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963610)

Dear Microsoft:

Tank you, come again!

Sincerely,
Apu... no, no, I mean "The Indian Government"

the indian govt wants to save money... (-1, Flamebait)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963637)

perhaps they want to spend their new found cash on nuclear weapons?
who knows...
remember, they are in a conflict with pakistan and they need to save money, and open source is the key to saving it.
linux, in my opinion will free the world of microsoft. but... I fear...
something will have to fill the void.
I just dont know who or what will. but lets hope its not worse than M$

Re:the indian govt wants to save money... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963679)

Qué?

probably just more curry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963703)

given the stench of most university CS departments.

India and Linux (2, Insightful)

Salubri (618957) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963638)

There are quite a few things I'm seeing going on here that I do have to point out.

It has been voiced that India is foolish for going with open source which "at most will be half done" as opposed to Microsoft.

Think about this: India is a nuclear power, and they can hit major cities. Do we REALLY want a microsoft product running this? Think about it... this would bring entirely new meaning to the term blue screen of death.

Personally I see linux right now being stuck in this trap. They don't have the marketshare because there isn't the development, and they don't have the development because there is no marketshare. One of these things has to be fixed for the other one to be fixed. India is a HUGE populous. If this becomes the OS of choice over in India, it WILL lead to more development of Linux in general of which the entire linux community will benefit.

Re:India and Linux (1)

I'm a racist. (631537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963678)

Do you think they're really looking at using MS software for critical systems, such as missiles? I seriously doubt that. They'll probably go with some mature real-time control system (I don't know much about that market).

All the MS stuff they may use would probably go into administrative systems, the same as it does here. Sure, it may cause some problems, but if it gets the job done, it really isn't important. If the total cost to India is low enough, they'll use MS (which is the logical decision). By total cost, I'm including support over time.

Personal beliefs don't have much place in business decisions.

Re:India and Linux (2)

Salubri (618957) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963791)

Do you think they're really looking at using MS software for critical systems... No. That part was a joke. I _AM_ a bit familiar with computers in expiremental labs enough to know this... well... at least enough to know that they don't use anything us normal people have access to.

As far as studies that compare TCO's between Microsoft and Linux, the only one's I've seen that place Microsoft on top are either Microsoft sponsored studies or by the occasional company that bends their knee and kisses the ring of the Gates. Are there others out there? Perhaps. I admit that the studies I'm talking about are only the ones I've seen. What do I know though?

In the computer labs I've visited, one trained unix admin can take on 200 systems, whereas MCSE's will handle about 20 - at most.

Now lets use this information to do a little hypothetical planning. Lets say, for the sake of arguement, that we're going to implement 1000 systems and that the standard wage for the Windows admin is 1 Economic unit (just a fake term for a yearly salary for a windows admin). At the rate of 1 admin to every 20 systems, this means that there will need to be 50 admins. Each earning 1 economic unit, the total expenditure for admins is 50 economical units. Now, if they went with linux/unix, they would only need 5 admins. Now, lets even account for the fact that unix guys earn... lets say 4x the salary of an MCSE, realize if Unix admins aren't paid nearly that much it only strengthens my arguement. 5 employees earning 4 economical units each is still only 20 economical units - a savings of 30 economical units. If Unix admins aren't paid that much more than MCSE's, then you save even more in budget.

It's not just the support over time, you also have to think about how many people would need to be hired to run things.

But now that I've ranted about ALL of this, realize that I don't know much about the TCO market, and the examples I've used to construct my arguements are based on trends I have observed and therefore could be inaccurate.

Frankly I disagree about Microsoft being the logical choice. With all the problems that people have with Microsoft and the control it weilds, I think the logical choice is choosing something that is stable and doesn't force you to pay out the nose every time you wish to upgrade software. But like you say... personal beliefs don't have much place in buisness decisions.

but.. (2, Insightful)

sgups (449689) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963650)

But if anything my own experience of living there tells me, nothing will come of this move for another 20 years and by that time the MS flag will be flying higher than the stars and stripes.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

blackgasmask (631716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963671)

the government takes precise wide-reaching steps to usher in YOU!!

I am unsure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963672)

With what other sexual diseases BillG can help India now ?

The Indian Government allows (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963692)

SPAMMERS with out regard to the rest of us! Fuck those assholes!!!!!! Figure it out Slash dotters! Block the whole area! The new niggers! Kill them all!

Source citation (2)

MongooseCN (139203) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963695)

India sure seems to be a highly contested arena lately.

Does anyone else find it funny that Slashdot, a site with <sarcasm> model journalistic integrity</sarcasm> I might add, always sites itself?

Re:Source citation (1)

mixmasta (36673) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963728)

that's cite. <grin>

Re:Source citation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963730)

Does anyone else find it funny that Slashdot, a site with model journalistic integrity I might add, always sites itself?

"Cites", please.

Jesus (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963699)

True Christan® Friends,

How glorious! Soon we will all fall down and worship our Savior on His birthday, and help President Bush improve the economy by running up our credit cards buying gifts for True Christians. Glory! Anyone who does not go into massive debt this CHRISTmas season is a Saddam-loving traitor.

Speaking of traitors, did you hear about those damned, unsaved Canadians in our 51st state, saying that our God-ordained President was a "moron?" Damn them to Hell! Everyone knows Bush is NOT a moron! He is a True Christian who will soon have everyone in the whole world on their knees for JESUS. Bush has made history by having a midterm election that almost magically gave our government over to the Republicans. Praise God for that! Everyone all around the world loves BUSH! And the libruls are in the minority! True Christians turned out at the polls last month to make sure Bush got the legitimacy he was denied when Al Gore won the evil, librul, secular "popular vote" in 2000. God even helped Bush's brother Jeb beat out all the unsaved Jews to win in Florida! Surely this is the most ethical administration in history, especially now that Poindexter and Kissinger are out of the mothballs and back in action and protecting the American way of life! Now our Godly President is punishing the libruls almost as much as Jesus will. Praise! Truly we're going back to the honesty and integrity of our greatest President, Reagan!

Folks, happy days are here again! Bush is making sure we keep American traditions alive. Soon this nation will be living in the 1950s again, when things were good for everyone, and nice folks didn't even talk about negroes, Jews, homosexurals or America-hating libruls, because they were all out of sight. Happy days are indeed here again! Traditional values are back in style, and True Christians are leading the way with love, sweet love! Folks, there's NOTHING like Christian Love in action!

Folks, JESUS is everywhere, and He is making sure the libruls feel His wrath! He even sent angels to a strip club to chase away the libruls. And He is continually stopping Satan by destroying the evil Harry Potter! Truly, He is doing His work, all by Himself, all over the world. (But He still needs money, so send it in NOW!) Folks, if we're going to stop the terrorists, God needs your money now more than ever! HE is watching you!

In Christian Love,

Judy

PS: I'll see you and your children in CHURCH on Sunday!

Re:Jesus (0, Offtopic)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963789)

That's funny because it's true.

Bill!, prove your altruism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4963714)

This is really a chance for Bill to prove whatever he has done is genuinely of altruistic nature. Go Billy boy ... send some more money to india!

India reads the writing on the wall... (3, Insightful)

CashCarSTAR (548853) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963733)

Within 10 years Linux or one of its offshoots will be the primary OS used on desktop and server computers world-wide. India is looking towards placing themselves in a very advantageous position in this new IT world.

Same thing as anybody with any sort of intelligence has their eye on things such as alternative sources of energy..

This could be good for Linux... (1)

Squidgee (565373) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963742)

As India seems to be a hotbed for talneted coders. Maybe Linux will gain a whole horde of talented contributers?

We can only hope.

Weird News! (1)

Apreche (239272) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963746)

That's really weird, considering. Until now I figured that in India Microsoft had even more dominance than it does in the US. I mean on campus just about everyone uses AIM/ICQ, clients range from the "real" ones to gAIM to Trillian, but the service is the same. But it seems that all the students from India use MSN messenger. And this isn't an exxageration, all of them use it and nobody else does. Just go to the library and walk around the lab and you'll see. So linux in India seems real real weird.

Heh.. (2)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963775)

"System Shutdown Completed: Thank you, come again!"

Indian Government Moves to Let Linux In (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963777)

"Indian Government Moves to Let Linux In"

Wow.. never thought I'd see the day where Linux replaces an entire governing body. That should make for an interesting deomcracy. Everybody can write their own laws!

Does this mean that Dell will support Linux? (2)

BroadbandBradley (237267) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963783)

they already farm out thier tech-support lines to India. Perhaps MS knowledge will become scarce in India and they'll have to move the call center back to the US.

Right on India, smart move. Here's to hoping the US government won't be the last to migrate over to common sense.

Best Thing The Gov Has Done in 2002 (3, Insightful)

inquisitive (212340) | more than 11 years ago | (#4963790)

In India, labour is cheap. You can hire fairly good prog/sys adm for 1/4th-1/8th the cost of a moderately good American. Linux will help the small businesses, and provide more opportunities to folks (like me) who plan to enter the SMB market with Linux/FOSS consultancy services. (OK, currently I am outside India)

Considering the fact that US Gov/MS have a penchant for interfering, trying to strongarm anyone (including democracies), the less dependent we are on US tech, better for us.

The biggest gains from going F/OSS should happen in the Military, Edu and SMB areas, that's my guess.

BTW, stop trashing India folks. Yoga, decimal system, astronomy, Ayurveda (nature medicine), Meditation, Buddhism, Karate, Sanskrit etc originated in India. Do you westerners ever consider that? All that is FREE! No Patents, No Copyrights.
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