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First Human Clone Born?

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the grand-army-of-the-republic dept.

Science 667

slantyyz writes "A religious cult, the Raelians, has claimed that the birth of first human clone is one of theirs. While this hasn't been corroborated yet, it's making headlines in Canada, where the cult is based. There's supposed to be a press conference on Friday in Hollywood. This story just may have legs."

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Send in the Clones! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965750)

Don't bother, they're already here....

xzx (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965751)

clone my selfish ego
hahahahahhaha

Legs (5, Funny)

YellowSnow (569705) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965754)

Hopefully the clone will have legs too!

it may have something else too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965757)

ahaha.. it may have legs... it may have arms and a head too.

News? (2, Funny)

SteakJerky.com (621665) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965758)

This is news? Come on, who among us didn't expect the first cloned baby to come from a Canadian religious cult? Duh People!

Re:News? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965801)

Why is any religion not of Christian origin called a "cult"?
After all, Christianity itself is merely one of the few socially acceptible cults.

That being said, I wonder how they managed to cull the genetic goofs that cloning invariably leads to? After all, how many sheep were born warped before Dolly existed? And even she wasn't perfect.

Re:News? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965824)

Actually the Raelians story that life on earth was deposited here by alien space travelers, while wacky, is a hell of a lot more sensible than worshipping some super powerful boogy man who lives in another dimension that hand created the entire universe and deals out vengeneance on wicked people in the afterlife...

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965760)

First Post!

Silly People Don't Realize... (4, Interesting)

CrazyDwarf (529428) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965761)

the first human clone has probably already been walking around for a while. I have a hard time believing that the experts would sit by not doing it because people are afraid. As many people as are looking at cloning, surely someone had already done it before this.

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (3, Insightful)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965776)

Yeh, I have a twin borther and have had for hte past 20 odd years. Old news.

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (1)

Kierthos (225954) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965883)

I'm part of a set of identical triplets, and we're 30 years old. Looky, more clones.

Now, what they mean is artificially created clones, akin to test-tube babies, but oh well... if the news editors at /. and other media outlets can't learn to use the English language properly....

Kierthos

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (3, Funny)

Gyan (6853) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965924)


"I have a twin borther and have had for hte past 20 odd years."

And before that ?

(duh)

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (5, Insightful)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965789)

Er, I'd believe that they would sit by and not do it because they're afraid.

They're afraid that the technology isn't mature enough. Even the cattle cloning industry has a disturbingly high failure rate.

They're afraid of public backlash costing them their jobs, or perhaps shutting down the company they work for.

They're afraid of loosing their friends.

They're afraid of screwing up, and ending up with a...thing. At that point they'll have to decide if they're going to put it out of it's misery or not.

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (3, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965800)

have a hard time believing that the experts would sit by not doing it because people are afraid.

Yes, we call it "having sex". It's an amazing cloning technique that nature gave us that allows one to combine traits and create "clones". If you really want purity, incest might be in order: Some sisterly love and you'll have a virtually perfect family clone.

Of course then there's the small problem that we've tinkering in things that we have only the slightest clue of. Already cloned mammals are showing shorter lifespans and other ailments clearly pointing a massive spotlight on the fact that they aren't a pure clone: There is something going wrong, but to use paraphrase a lame line from Jurassic Park "We're so caught up in if we could that we never question if we should".

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (5, Informative)

greenhide (597777) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965907)

Yes, we call it "having sex". It's an amazing cloning technique that nature gave us that allows one to combine traits and create "clones". If you really want purity, incest might be in order: Some sisterly love and you'll have a virtually perfect family clone.

No.

Clones are, by definition, genetic doubles. The whole point is that clones aren't a combination of genes through the fertilization of an egg by sperm. Rather, a clone contains *exactly* the same gene material as its original. Thus, even the offspring of a brother and sister would not be a clone, since it would not have identical DNA to either its mother or father.

Simply by the fact that one pair must have XX (yeah, I'm going to ignore the relatively rare XXY and XXX) genes and the other XY genes in order to mate, it is impossible for the two parents to have identical genese, let alone their offspring.

Even if a pair of male twins were to mate with two female twins, it's more likely than not that their offspring would not have identical genes.

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965928)

Notice how the clones is in quotation marks: Most of the claimed benefits about cloning humans revolve around traits that we already perpetuate via breeding-- Tall people have tall kids, and smart people have smart kids. If nature could get by just spitting off clones, I'm sure it would have a long time ago.

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (2)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965849)

This is no big deal. The music industry has been cloning teen idols, and whole boy bands for a long time now. You did notice that New Kids on the Block, The Backstreet Boys, and N'Sync are all the same, didn't you?

Re:Silly People Don't Realize... (5, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965898)

As many people as are looking at cloning, surely someone had already done it before this.

Mammalian cloning is not a trivial thing to do -- there are only a handful of labs in the world that can make it work. It requires specialized equipment and cell lines, an excellent tissue culture setup and a tremendous degree of technical skill.

It's not like making beer, where you buy a bunch of things and mix them together in your basement. A Dr. Evil-like figure with tremendous money and resources could pull it off, but it would be prohibitive for some random loon.

Anyone have the schedule? (1, Funny)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965762)

I want to know when the next ship to Blisstonia [thesimpsons.com] is.

Re:Anyone have the schedule? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965918)

"Na na na na na na na na!"

"Batman! I mean, Leader!"

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965763)

yeah

First Clone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965764)

First Clone! What? I FAIL IT? Dang.

Hollywood? (2, Funny)

Paul Burney (560340) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965765)

There's supposed to be a press conference on Friday in Hollywood

Hollywood? Come on. This is just some funky promotion for Lucas' next Clone movie.

Re:Hollywood? (2)

z_gringo (452163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965805)

It's Hollywood, Florida

Re:Hollywood? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965812)

Hollywood, FL ... Not CA

And (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965766)

A wang to behold, make the ladies drool! Cloning for specific traits...what a concept.

In other news... (1)

Aggrazel (13616) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965767)

The three legged man and the three armed woman had a baby!

I wonder what it had three of?

(Straight from the Weekly World News, slashdot worthy?)

Re:In other news... (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965793)

Parents, the man, the woman and the doctor than made the clone.

I Don't Believe It (1)

syntap (242090) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965770)

This isn't the kind of thing you get right the first time. Either there's a pit somewhere with a whole lot of "failures" or this is bogus.

Re:I Don't Believe It (2, Funny)

Ded Bob (67043) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965865)

Maybe they used cold fusion technology? :)

The truth will be easy to find out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965878)

The public will be made aware of the truthfulness of this claim soon enough. The issue is controversial enough, and it is very easy to determine if one person is a genetic clone of another.

Either way, cloning is something my gut instinct tells me we as a race need to steer clear of if we are to avoid destroying ourselves. But of course those that make the critical decisions, our political leaders, often follow the desires of those with very selfish and destructive intentions.

The Story Might Have Legs? (1, Redundant)

webword (82711) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965772)

...the child might have legs too.

Re:The Story Might Have Legs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965807)

This was a redundant. So what?

HUMAN AND ANIMAL CLONING - big problems [tripod.com]

"Westhusin has grown accustomed to such failures. He and other leading animal cloners know that behind the stunning stories of cloning successes in cows, sheep, goats, pigs and mice, 95 percent to 97 percent of efforts still end in disaster. [Emphasis mine.] So while the prospect of human cloning raises countless ethical quandaries, it was cloning's dismal safety record that led experienced cloners to cringe in January when a team of fertility specialists announced it would embark on the world's first concerted effort to clone a human being."

Probably fake... (5, Interesting)

Bartmoss (16109) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965773)

Let's assume this is just PR by a cult sect. But still, it is worrying - that here we have people who are willing to perform what amounts to human experimentation *despite* the defects shown in many of the cloned animals. Doing this to a human being is in my eyes not any better than the medical experiments conducted by the Nazis.

We need to regulate this type of research and deal with rogue 'scientists' and 'doctors' who are willing to do such acts. Please note that I think an outright ban on human cloning is not a good idea, there is too much promise in the technology - just, we need to be very, very careful what we're doing with it.

Re:Probably fake... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965867)

Oh it's real my friend. Just because you have a Ph.D doesn't mean you can't be a cult member.

Shit Bin Laden's number one side kick was a prestigous surgeon in Egypt before he split for the terrorist life....

Actually since cloning is part of the myth the cult is built around i'd say if anyone is gonna have the resources outside of the establishment to pull it off it's these guys, they get rich people to donate millions to them in the hope that they will clone their children.

Also if you check out the leader she is a Professor at a respected University with a Phd in chemistry.

Re:Probably fake... (2)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965892)

Maybe there is a legal loophole that allows them to do it because of religious reasons? I hope and doubt not. Now there's one for the courts.

If ppl can strap dynamite around their waist a blow ppl up at a cafe or crash planes into buildings for religious reasons (okay that's debatable), then I'm sure there are ppl out there who would allow doctors to use their body to perform cloning in secrecy for religious reasons too. When they claim to of succeeded it can't be confirmed until a govt agency investigates too.

The scary thing about cults is that they have total control and are well funded. In many regards cults and islamic militant groups are not too dissimilar.

Re:Probably fake... (1)

LudditeMind (587926) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965909)

Doing this to a human being is in my eyes not any better than the medical experiments conducted by the Nazis.

But what if that human is yourself? I imagine that's the logic that the cult would use. The baby gave permission because it's 'older' self accepted the procedure with full understanding of it's concequences. But I do agree with you, that would be like saying the older twin could make decisions for the younger because he's the same person with a little more experience.

Re:Probably fake... (3, Insightful)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965923)

> amounts to human experimentation *despite* the
> defects shown in many of the cloned animals. Doing
> this to a human being is in my eyes not any better
> than the medical experiments conducted by the
> Nazis.

and it's somehow worse than doing it to other animals? What makes humans so special that we should be exempt from any kind of experimentation? We generally know more about ourselves than we do any other species on the planet, seems like we'd be the best candidates.

Not that I'm suggesting we open the floodgates, I'm being rhetorical. But saying it's a bad idea just because the Nazi did it doesn't help either.

another news link (3, Informative)

ChristTrekker (91442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965777)

Saw this earlier today. Probably based on the same news feed, but what the hey. Here you go. [wnd.com]

Raelians == UFO Cult (5, Informative)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965779)

I wouldn't put too much weight on what they Raelians say, this is a publicity stunt and I wouldn't be surprised if the Scientologists were saying the same. There definition of a cloned human probably follows their guidelines too and not scientifically sound.

In my neighorhood for quite some time the Raelians have been trying to recruit ppl. They drive around in this van with sparkling stickers - kind of like a moving target. I got one of their fliers one day and had quite chuckle. I don't think they are too far off Scientologists either. There is some info on the Raelians here [skepdic.com] .

Re:Raelians == UFO Cult (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965850)

Never, ever write "ppl" in a paragraph that you want any person to take seriously. Unless you are a 13 year old girl.

Re:Raelians == UFO Cult (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965913)

Where does it say to take anyone seriously?

clones (5, Funny)

ryan89 (586976) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965780)

Just what we need, a bunch of cloned Canadiens... Why didn't they choose to clone some Swedish chicks?

Re:clones (1)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965797)

Heh, reckon if illegal immigrants were Scandanavian blondes they'll be deported? Deport some over here.

Re:clones (5, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965843)

Don't be fooled. It's all a plot to resurrect this guy [timhortons.com] .

I, for one, welcome our hockey and donut-eating overlords.

legs (0)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965781)

I hope it has legs, or did they clone a WWII veteran?

Re:legs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965853)

Score: -1, bad taste, get some fucking respect.

Wow (2)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965782)

I travel through Canada regulrly, enroute to the more western portions of the US.

It appears that they have finally invented a way to overcome boredom up there.

IN QUEBEC CANADA... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965783)

...Religious Cults Clone YOU!!!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965893)

CLONES FORM RELIGIOUS CULT!

Can you say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965784)

Thalidomide? Sure you can...and it has returned.

Too bad... (2)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965787)

Cloning has the potential to really help some couples with fertility issues - it's too bad that the popular discussion of cloning has obscured that point. Certainly nuts like these Raelians don't help matters much!

Re:Too bad... (3, Insightful)

Waab (620192) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965863)

Cloning has the potential to really help some couples with fertility issues

Adoption also has the potential to really help some couples with fertility issues. Granted, it doesn't carry the same pride of ownership, but it's still a proven alternative. After all, modern medical science has pretty much got the entire adoption procedure down. Rarely, if ever, do adoptions produce the kinds of defects seen in animal cloning and feared possible in human cloning.

Re:Too bad... (2)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965888)

Unless you've been through the struggle of working through these issues, I wouldn't casually toss out the recommendation of adoption. That's a slap in the face to those who want a child of their own flesh and blood more than anything.

Not to say that adoption is a bad thing at all - but that the majority of folks who can have kids easily never face that prospect. When science makes advances that allow more people to have their own babies, it's obviously the more preferred choice for those who could use it.

religion? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965788)

Raelians are not a religion, it is considered in France as a sect! This is exctally where the states have to act : private funds lead to uncontrolled (and oftenly) unethical research.

Re:religion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965880)

Sorry commie. See here in America we have Freedom of Religion. This means that even if what you believe in doesn't jive with Christian values you can still do it. Maybe Jesus say cloning is unethical, but according to the raelians cloning is extremely ethical! So keep your holier than thou judgemental euro shit to yourself scum. And go see a dentist.

They're gonna invade (1, Troll)

WildBeast (189336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965798)

The Canadians are gonna invade with there army of clones. Let's nuke'm

Re:They're gonna invade (1)

haa...jesus christ (576980) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965832)

I second this. Strike before they grow in numbers.

Re:They're gonna invade (1)

HowlinMad (220943) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965854)

Motion to vote!

No confirmation.... (2)

beta21 (88000) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965802)

has been verified through any other party. I really think this is irresponsible, it took 20-30 attempts (can't remeber the exact number) to clone Dolly.

SO how many attempts will it take to get a human right? Reminds me of all those failed Ripleys in Aliens 3 (alright a bit dramatic).

Also what scientific knowledge has been gained by these ppl who are based at

The group's headquarters, called UFO Land,

Re:No confirmation.... (2)

CrazyJoel (146417) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965844)

30 attempts? It took 277 attempts to clone Dolly.

Does that mean 277 sheep were impregnated to get one clone? How many humans did they have to impregnate to get this one?

First clone? (1)

Cirruz (607607) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965804)

A religious cult, the Raelians, has claimed that the birth of first human clone is one of theirs.
First human clone? Humm, I don't think so... They're among us since we exist. They're called twins!

Cirruz

Re:First clone? (1)

$0.02 (618911) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965894)

Yeah, the gut claimed that he did the first clone after failing to do the first post on /.

Re:First clone? (1)

The J Kid (266953) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965903)

They're called twins!

Nope. Allthough twins look alike, geneticly they're not.

Newsworthy? (2, Informative)

zazas_mmmm (585262) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965806)

Without empirical evidence, this is just fringe cultists making a radical, unsubstantiated claim. I'm frankly surpirised how much attention mainstream news sources have given this. It's a sad state of affairs when anyone can make wild claims and without showing any evidence, they can grab headlines.

By the way, did I mention I performed successful cold fusion experiments?

Sounds better than Scientology (5, Informative)

phr2 (545169) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965808)

The New York Times explains [nytimes.com] (reg. reqd. blah blah):
Raëlians are followers of Raël, a French-born former race-car driver who has said he met a four-foot space alien atop a volcano in southern France in 1973 and went aboard his ship, where he was entertained by voluptuous female robots and learned that the first humans were created 25,000 years ago by space travelers called Elohim, who cloned themselves.
That's a lot more believable and less violent than the Xenu and the volcanoes story. There aren't even any body thetans stuck to us. So hey, where do we sign up?

Yeah, right (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965857)

You're fucking stupid.

Re:Sounds better than Scientology (2, Insightful)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965874)

where do we sign up

Its not their beliefs that worry me when it comes to scientology. Its their brainwashing methods, money extraction techniques and the way they control people's lives that worries me.

I don't know anything about the Raelians, but they could be just as bad in that respect.

Re:Sounds better than Scientology (2, Informative)

eric_ste (446052) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965875)

probably at www.rael.org

Strange News from a Strange Land (1)

Walrus99 (543380) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965809)

Wasn't the news of a human clone being born to a member of a cult one of the interogative headlines from Heinlin's "Stranger in a Strange Land"? What's next, are we to await the arrival of Valentine Michael Smith? Grok!

Defects (2)

GeckoFood (585211) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965811)

As per the article:

Other experts say that even if cloning were possible, the babies would likely be born with defects. Cloning research has produced many deformed and dead animals. The first mammal to be cloned -- in 1997 -- was a sheep named Dolly, who later developed arthritis at an abnormally young age.

If the clones are supposed to be exact replicas, why do the clones have defects? This suggests we're missing something...Perhaps they're not exact after all?

Re:Defects (1)

TonyMillion (545370) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965921)

YES!

These animals have no soul, thats why!

Missing a period (5, Funny)

Aggrazel (13616) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965818)

"I've missed a period" - girl
"Shit! ... are you sure?" - cult leader
"Well, yes, dammit. I told you to use protection! What do you care, you've gotten half the women in this cult pregnant." - girl
"Yeah, but they're not 15 ... this could be bad. Uh... I know! We'll send you away for a while!" - cult leader
"What about the kid? What do we do when he comes back?" - girl
"We'll put out a press release saying he's really a clone, we'll even post it on slashdot! I'm sure everyone will believe us!" - cult leader

The story has legs, (1)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965819)

and hopefully the kid does too. :)

State of Science? (1)

dolphinuser (211295) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965820)

Regardless of the religious connotations of such an action, there's the issue of the limited knowledge we have about clonning.

Until very recently,scientists where at a loss to explain why so many clones failed either to come to term, or if they were "successfully" brought to term, why did they have so many anomalies.

Discover [discover.com] magazine, as one of their top science stories for 2002 (number 33), report that biologists have discovered a particular gene Oct 4 that affects the outcome.

The thing is, we still don't know how to control that gene, so we are still left playing the odds.

John

First Human Clone Born? (3, Funny)

rant-mode-on (512772) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965821)


  • This story just may have legs

Yes, but how many?

Legs? (1)

Britissippi (565742) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965822)

"...This story just may have legs."

I wonder how many the clone will have though... ulp!

I've heard this one before... (4, Funny)

DCowern (182668) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965837)

A woman gives birth to an exact clone of herself. A couple years down the road, the child learns to speak and its first word is a cuss word. It turns out that the child is an EXACT replica of the mother except for the fact that it can only speak swear words. This drives the mother crazy and eventually she drives to a large canyon and pushes the child in. When she returns home, the police arrest her...

For making obscene clone falls! Ba dum ching!

Re:I've heard this one before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965851)

Naughty, naughty post! Now, go to your room.

HAHAHAHAHA MOD PARENT UP!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965910)

Post of the year for sure

Re:I've heard this one before... (2)

Triv (181010) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965926)

ouch. It's WAAAAY too early in the morning to be dealing with puns of that caliber. You've been up all night at Callihan's, haven't you?

Triv

Press Release Journalism (2, Insightful)

release7 (545012) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965841)

So a "cult" creates a press release to announce they've cloned a human and it becomes news? I'll wait for an indendent DNA test, thank you. What are the editors on /. thinking?

Cult? What kind of cult? (3, Interesting)

ianscot (591483) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965842)

Some basic exposition is missing from this story. We get the words "religious cult" and then no explanation other than that they want to clone people.

The Raelians, who advocate the cloning of humans, created a company called Clonaid in 1997. The company's web site says its "main goal is to give life to the first human clone."

...The Raelians, who claim 55,000 members worldwide, believe human life was created by DNA brought to earth by an alien race. Their founder and leader is Rael, a former French journalist known as Claude Vorilhon.

The group's headquarters, called UFO Land, are located in Valcourt, Que., about 200 km east of Montreal.

So, um, what about this "cult" is "religious"? You read a story like that, and the labels get used, but what exactly are the "religious" aspects of the cultism, here? 'Cause I'm kinda curious.

Re:Cult? What kind of cult? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965872)

One view of religion, is that it was a process
set up to explain the universe to the "commoner".
Viewed this way, it's easy to see how it could
be a religion.

For your INfo (2, Insightful)

eric_ste (446052) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965845)

Raelism is a cool religion. Rael was actually abducted by aliens and came back with all this knowledge about how life on earth was created in alien laboratories.

One nice thing I like about this cult is that sexe is good and evryone can have sex with any one. They even set up big picnics in nature where everybody have sex.

Also, Rael is a car racer. Unfortunatly, when he was engineered by the aliens, he was not implemented with the good racing dna.

There was a controversy lately with them trying to recruit student from secondary school, which is, in my opinion, not worst than Catholic religion trying to recruit in primary schools ;) And as far as plausibility of what the religion says, I think that it is more likely that we have been engineered by aliens than by a misterious god somewhere that is supposed to know and see everything. ;)

Re:For your INfo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965873)

The Raelians are invading /. with their clone army!!
You can tell the clones by their poor grammar and spelling!!

Re:For your INfo (2, Funny)

eric_ste (446052) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965904)

Resistance is futile... You have already been engineered by them as an anonymous coward.

As for the spelling and grammar, I was unfortunately implemented with the french grammar traits. But hey, let's compare your french grammar with my english grammar. ;)

Clone Aid? (0)

musicscene (453302) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965861)

Aside from the big news about a cloned human... can you imagine the mascot for Clone Aid? (Images of various Kool Aid pitchers in my head morphing into various clones). Ok, maybe not that funny...

No way to stop it (3, Insightful)

Nomad7674 (453223) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965864)

I have found it amusing how religious and political leaders have been rushing to "ban cloning" in an attempt to keep it from happening. While I am a religious guy and do consider cloning to be a major moral problem, there is no deterent value in these actions. The fame and place in scientific history for the person or group who produces the first human clone are more than enough incentive for the crazies of the world to do it. The consequences (read: legal punishments and moral condemnation) will be seen by these people are irrelevant, because what they really seek is recognition and a place in history books.

Still, I suppose we have to try and slow down some of these changes to the human race. The nuclear bomb came before we were ready for it, and we are still struggling to catch up to it politically and morally. Cloning has the potential to change the world even more, so the more lead time we have for legislators and philosophers to work on this, the better.

But I will be shocked if the first legal and widely advertised cloning clinic is not openned in 2003 or 2004.

Re:No way to stop it (3, Funny)

CorkieVII (587036) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965922)

If you clone yourself and it gives you a BJ, is it considered oral sex or masturabation?

Stormtroopers? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965879)

Who would have thunk that Canadia would be
the birth place of the Dark Side. I suppose
its the decades of Canadian jokes from their
bretheren to the South that caused the
pent up anxieties to finally become unbearable.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA YOU CLONE THE CANADIANS

Hmmm... (1)

Chembro (534143) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965885)

OK, take this with a grain of salt people. I mean, just watch the press conference! But if this is true, then damn, the rammifications are astounding...

so just how valid is this? (1)

kallen3 (171792) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965895)

No detail given and the person chosen to verify the claims is, by his own words, a freelance journalist who is a physicst with a PhD. So a freelance journalist (read unemployed) without any medical training is to past judgement? The judgement will be to who ever has the most money or will make the best story

/. related links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965896)

"Compare the best prices on: Software/Utilities."

How is that related to cloning? Or maybe it is just another example of /vertisement.

even more stock markup fraud? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965911)

is wall street of deceit at IT again?

these guise [nytimes.com] sold gooed old uncle sam 450 (that # IS significant) fingerprint "scanners" (flashy mousepads), so buy stock markup profomulahlah "math", the "company" becomes worth more on payper, than if they'd successfully patentdead cloning.

so, either they're charging way too much for the mosepads, or it just another in a seemingly endless charade of deceptive moneysucking scammages, using the ill eagle kingdumb/gov't. "partnership"? nothing personal, some of US are a little discouraged.

don't blink too fast. whoisit you think 'll be cloned early/often/& exclusively?

mod US DOWn robbIE.

Wackos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965915)

The news conference is going on right now and the Clonaid website is dead, but from a google cache:

"Once we can clone exact replicas of ourselves, the next step will be to transfer our memory and personality into our newly cloned brains, which will allow us to truly live forever. Since we will be able to remember all our past, we will be able to accumulate knowledge ad infinitum.

"Thus today, man's ultimate dream of eternal life, which past religions only promised after death in mythical paradise, becomes a scientific reality. Raël, with exceptional vision, allows us an extraordinary glimpse into an amazing future and explains how our nascent technology will revolutionize our world and transform our lives. For example, he describes how nanotechnology will make agriculture and heavy industry redundant, how super-artificial intelligence will quickly perform human intelligence, how eternal life in a computer will be possible whitout the need for any biological body, and much, much more."

What a poor child! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965919)

What must it be like to be the test subject? This little baby girl, if this is true, already has DNA that is aged by 30 years, not in perfect condition. She will most likely develop conditions early on in life that she might not suffered for many years to come. Her life is significantly shortened as well. It is not right to damn a child to that fate.

-Jim

I want my monkey man! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965920)

Neither Bart, nor I, are impressed - Who wants another person just like her crazy mother? I wany my Monkey Man!

Relax, it was only a girl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4965925)



They are not ready to clone the more advanced plumbing required for a guy yet.

Please, dear God, let this be true... (5, Funny)

Halloween Jack (182035) | more than 11 years ago | (#4965930)

From a Salon article [salon.com] on the cult:

I'd heard that a disproportionate number of Ralians come from the exotic-dance community.

Hey, we want these people to clone themselves!

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