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"Decasia": The Beauty of Film Decay

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the ad-te-omnis-caro-veniet dept.

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tregoweth writes "The New York Times has a story about 'Decasia,' a film created entirely from deteriorating nitrate film footage. Ya can't beat analog for interesting disintegration."

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But what about the copyright holders?! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990486)

How are they benefiting from the usage of their material!?

Re:But what about the copyright holders?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990673)

How are they benefiting from the usage of their material!?

Quite simple actually, first they wait until the their "material" (grits) is boiling, then they pour it down their pants. The benefits from pouring hot grits down your pants simply out weighs any price they would have to pay to keep the copyright holders at bay.

This is the last TRUE troll of 2002.

Goodnight... and have a gritty new year.

Re:But what about the copyright holders?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990972)

Unfortunately, a TRUE troll would be logged in while trolling. Everyone knows that this is the only way to troll effectively and frequently. So, I hate to tell you this but...

YOU FAIL IT!!!

Re:But what about the copyright holders?! (5, Informative)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990787)

I suppose it "benefits" them by continuing to allow them to rest peacefully in their graves.

If you are about the average age for a Slashdot reader I may well be older than your parents. Much of the material used had already passed into the public domain before *my* parents were born.

The film is *old.* There are no copyright holders.

KFG

Sonny Bono owns you (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990848)

rest peacefully in their graves.

Copyright can be transferred in a will.

The film is *old.* There are no copyright holders.

Any film first published on or after January 1, 1923, is still under copyright. You can thank the late Sonny Bono for that [pineight.com] .

I am aware of that (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991043)

I am also aware that the film used for this piece is older than that. My parents were born a long time ago. My point stands.

KFG

Ha.... at least its still viewable. (5, Insightful)

purduephotog (218304) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990487)

Because if it was my digital VCR tapes from 8 years ago, the only thing they are good for is imitating sparklers when tossed in a fire.

Analog fails gracefully, digital fails catastrophically.

Re:Ha.... at least its still viewable. (2)

Soko (17987) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990514)

Analog fails gracefully, digital fails catastrophically.

Ummm...

One or Zero - your choice?

Soko

Re:Ha.... at least its still viewable. (3, Insightful)

purduephotog (218304) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990676)

One or Zero - your choice?

Interesting thought- now randomize them. Or make them .5 - as in can't tell the level. Leave a bunch out. Skip a few. Now throw in a compression algorithm. Whats this, missing pixels? Whacked Code Values (CV). Or worse yet,corrupt data that can't be read.

One or Zero indeed.

I store important things in analog (2)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990547)

I still take photos on film. I know how long negatives can last with minimal degradation of image quality.

I also know how long term untrustworthy digital storage is. In fact, I'm thinking of digitizing my SVHS wedding video and putting in on film stock as a "I'm sure it's okay" backup. I'd also make it into a DVD, but who knows how long that will last.

Re:I store important things in analog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990705)

How long do negatives last? And do youknow how long does undeveloped film last? I've got about 10 rolls of undeveloped film, some of which have been sitting there for 10 years. VoyagerRadio.com [mac.com]

Re:I store important things in analog (2)

Black Copter Control (464012) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990945)

I developed some 10 and 15 year old film that I had the foresight of storing in my mother's secondary fridge (freezer section) before forgetting about it. It seems to have developed fine. Having it unfrozen will speed the degredation, but it should still be OK to develop.

That having, been said: the sooner, the better. The longer you wait, the more it will degrade.

As for the lifetime of film: I have some black and whites of my parents back in the fourties. and some nice stereo pictures of my dad with an unidentified girlfrend from before he met my mom (sometime in the 50's).

My 5.25" floppies form 1980, however are getting less and less likely to be readable. I don't think I have anything interesting on 8" floppies -- but if I do, I have no idea where to find a drive to read it.

p.s. letting your cat piss on your negatives is a bad idea (but even worse for floppy disks).

Re:Ha.... at least its still viewable. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990693)

Which digital vcr were you using eight years ago?

FIRST FIRST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990488)

fp!fp!

Decasia? (2)

Adolatra (557735) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990491)

More like Cel -da!

Re:Decasia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990627)

More like Celda. [penny-arcade.com]

Its over (-1)

xdfgf (460453) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990492)

Please shit in my hat

And the business corollary? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990493)

VA Linux: the beauty of Open Sores hippy business decay.

I don't know... (1)

drfishy (634081) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990499)

I'm not sure I agree, I kinda like watching those biodegradable packing peanuts disintegrate in water.

Re:I don't know... (2)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990707)

I'm not sure I agree, I kinda like watching those biodegradable packing peanuts disintegrate in water.

Watching styrofoam packing peanuts degrade in acetone is also fun. You'd be surprised how many styrofoam peanuts can be crammed into a cup of acetone. If you have a large quantity of peanuts, it's a good way to shrink them down to a manageable size, even if the resulting glop smells evil, strips the oil off your fingers, and can't be flushed down the toilet. Actually I wish more people would do this instead of leaving them outside in loose trash bags where the wind can blow them all over the neighborhood.

Digital too (5, Funny)

Dolly_Llama (267016) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990500)

Ya can't beat analog for interesting disintegr098Asjoijoasnlks^K^K^K^Kank109Fj

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Re:Digital too (2)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990655)

First off, that ain't digital. That comes from the entirely analog problem of my mother picking up the @#$# phone when I'm trying to download EGA GIFs from the local BBS on my 2400 baud modem.

(Our porn had 16 colors and took an hour to download! And we liked it! We'd all sit around and say to each other "At least it's not CGA!" or "At least it wasn't over xterm!" And don't even ask how long it took to find and download a GIF viewer!)

At any rate, this is an example of a different kind of deterioration. When was the last time any of you talked to your modem through a terminal emulator? Heck, when was the last time your modem connections didn't involve PPP?

Re:Digital too (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990710)

Even better questions....When was the last time you used a phone modem? Anyone out there not on broadband yet?

Re:Digital too (1)

Vann_v2 (213760) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990810)

Uh, me? Cable was just offered here for the first time here earlier this year.

deteriorating analog footage (5, Funny)

nakaduct (43954) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990504)

... created entirely from deteriorating nitrate film footage. Ya can't beat analog for interesting disintegration."

Of course, that's not to say you can't make a film entirely from deteriorating digital footage [imdb.com] .

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MOD THIS UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4991065)

please. if you dont then y'all are some bitches...

Cool and all, but (3, Interesting)

prichardson (603676) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990507)

This seems really, but would it be enjoyable to watch? A lot of art is just "hey, cool!" and then is put on a shelf. This really cool idea is only really cool because it's so original, it will never be cool again.

Re:Cool and all, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990573)

no, I think there is appeal, akin to psychelic works, tye die, that sort of thing. It is eye candy of a kind (I havn't seen the film)...

It's kind of like the "silence" between tracks on old vinyl. It is a gimick to think you would listen to that very much/often, but it does sound cool. As a multimedia person that turns on the TV, stereo, and then gets on the net, I actually would play a movie like this while doing other things, more than once.

Re:Cool and all, but (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990645)

"This seems really, but would it be enjoyable to watch? A lot of art is just "hey, cool!" and then is put on a shelf. This really cool idea is only really cool because it's so original, it will never be cool again."

There's hope. Beavis and Butthead's decaying animation style still lives on.

Re:Cool and all, but (1)

pheared (446683) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990647)

Cool.

Re:Cool and all, but (2)

rjrjr (28310) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990822)

Decide for yourself, look at the clip [decasia.com] .

For some reason they didn't include the soundtrack music, a shame because it worked really well.

It's already been on at least once. I got sucked into it while channel flipping the other night.

Making something like this interesting is all about editing choices, and they made theirs brilliantly.

All they offer is a VHS copy (5, Insightful)

Quazi (3460) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990510)

I know it would defeat the whole point of the video, but I'd like it in DVD format. You don't want your own copy of this film to end up like all the ones it's portraying, do you?

Re: Yeah, but on DVD... (2)

dagg (153577) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990535)

When I try to watch it on my DVD in 10 years, all I'll get is the first couple chapters, and then the DVD will completely freeze (if I even have a DVD player, which is doubtful).

Re:All they offer is a VHS copy (3, Interesting)

Gaccm (80209) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990644)

Um... wouldn't the deterioration be a benefit? The entire movie is a bunch of messed up clips of film. Does it really hurt the film if some more warping is added to the film?

Re:All they offer is a VHS copy (2+2!=2) (2)

Black Copter Control (464012) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991268)

Does it really hurt the film if some more warping is added to the film?

I'd be inclined to say "yes". This isn't just a random selection of decayed images (rtfa) [nytimes.com] . Bill Morrison went through hundred (thousands?) of hours of film to find stuff that had an evocative combination of image and decay. Adding random decay on top of that is only going to mask some of the beauty of the original collection.

It's rather like the difference between the mastery of Picasso (who did some very good realist painting in his early days) and the worst of the neo-impressionists who's work could honestly be one-upped by good quality fourth-graders.

On DVD... (1)

Gorimek (61128) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990661)

On DVD the MOVIE deteriorates YOU!!

Re:All they offer is a VHS copy (2)

Black Copter Control (464012) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990990)

You don't want your own copy of this film to end up like all the ones it's portraying, do you?

In that case, I'd get a film version. I have far more hope of my analog film archives outlasting me than I do of my CDs and DVDs of beeing readable in 20 years. I may not have an 8mm movie player, but I can at least view my dad's 1950's carnival movies frame by frame.

DVD in the works (2)

rjrjr (28310) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991282)

I just wrote to Morrison's address on the contact page asking for a DVD release, and got this reply:

Thanks, Ray. It is in the works, and your name is being added to a growing list of people with the same request. I will email you when it is available.

So that's good.

What about AOTC? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990511)

Ya can't beat analog for interesting disintegration.

Oh, I don't know. This year's all-digitial Attack of the Clones provided for an interesting example of the distintegration of George Lucas' writing, directing and overall creativity...

Re:What about AOTC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990563)

Star Wars was a mistake. George Lucas himself admitted that, before releasing the "improved" SW with 'bonus footage.' The guy never meant it to be as good as it was, and he obviously intends never to [starwars.com] repeat it. [starwars.com]

A few things I didn't like: CG everything
Jarjar
George Lucas [goatse.cx]

Re:What about AOTC? (1)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990580)

Troll! I thought AOTC was excellent, and I don't really like the franchise. I mean.. how can you rate down anything with Natalie Portman in it? Grwlll!

Besides, that bit where they went into the cloning machine was just like the funny bit from Galaxy Quest with the machinery and traps.

Re:What about AOTC? (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990732)

How do we know that? Maybe the next movie will tie everything together and make it all make sense. Wait, that's how he got me last time.

hmmm (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990519)

Well if i see the SVCD on IRC somewhere maybe i'll leech it but if you actually expect me to pay for this shit you need to put the crackpipe down.

I can predict the future!!! (0, Offtopic)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990521)

There will be post after post about how linking to the NYT stinks because of registration! Then there will be karma whoring for the google cache! Then the mods will mod 1/2 the people up as interesting and informative and the other half will be modded as redundant!

Re:I can predict the future!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990664)

I predict your post will be modded -1 offtopic!

Just further proof (2)

flewp (458359) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990522)

that the NASA moon landings were fake. I mean, afterall, wouldn't the film have decayed already?

Re:Just further proof (2)

Phork (74706) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990583)

nope, because by that time nitrate film was no longer used, "saftey film" had been introduced. Thats not to say that color film from the 60s didnt degrade over time(it did), but in a different way than nitrate negative do. THe only color film from that era with any thing like a long lifespan is kodachrome, i have seen k25 slides from the 60s and 70s that look as good now as they did then.

Re:Just further proof (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990768)

ahem kodachrome and such are archival, provided that they are stored in absolute darkness. If they are projected even for an hour, there is enough breakdown to lessen their lifespan significantly.

That being said, the lifespan would still far exceed any other color film available at the time.

And the beauty of films that won't decay. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990525)

Debbie Does Dallas and the devil in miss jones comes to mind.

The text (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990529)

In case it gets slashdotted. Not trying to karma whore here, just being helpful:
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MOD PARENT WAY THE FUCK UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990674)

*ROTFL*

In the digital age... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990534)

There's nothing wrong with video tapes!

You can leave them in piles (out of boxes) for years & they'll still play fine :)

Leave a CD or DVD like that & it's ruined in a month... Something to remember when you're buting a DVD for a kid!

Finally.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990540)

a??\g useful from all of those short ends I never used in my student films. Blah, blah, let the post modern structuralist decaying dada society statement begin. God, we really are starved for content aren't we?

In Soviet Russia, Potemkin Battles YOU!

I made a movie of the same name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990549)

It was about the wrecking of the Constitution, and the destroying of Civil Rights.

Oh wait. That's real life.

I don't get it... (1)

Drunken_Jackass (325938) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990551)

Sure, i mean if the point of this whole project is to turn it into a Winamp plugin so that i can get baked, listen to Radiohead and watch guys walking camels across some dunes, fine.

But isn't this just spliced old film? i mean, don't get me wrong, or anything, i just don't see the art in this.

If it was just the defects, then i could see it - that would be something, "did i just see a ship, or was that the way the film degenerated?"

Oh well, back to staring at fractals in the dark.

Re:I don't get it... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990562)

Related to your point, this Variety review seems appropriate:

Like Peter Delpeut's Dutch "Lyrical Nitrate" a decade ago, Bill Morrison's U.S. experimental feature "Decasia" finds poetry in the abstract psychedelia created by deteriorating archival film stock. Lacking any obvious thematic or emotional arc, compilation pic succeeds as a pure exercise in visual stimulus, its narcotic effect much amplified by Michael Gordon's thunderous, dissonant orchestral score. Logical destinations are fest avant-garde sidebars and cinematheque schedules.

Project began as the film component to a multimedia stage extravaganza that premiered in Switzerland two years ago (for which the score, played by 55-piece Basel Sinfonietta, was commissioned). While it demands a suspension of normal narrative/human-interest expectations, "Decasia" can stand alone as a hallucinatory canvas of images -- most from the presound era, and all streaked, misted, darkened, speckled or tornado-disrupted by chemical decay. Much footage (Sufi dancers, far-flung landscapes, WW1 parachutists) has an ancient-ethnographic feel; midsection's silent slapstick and melodrama clips feel like they're from another planet. Pulsing din of Gordon's Glenn Branca-style soundtrack adds a curiously ominous dimension to parade of time-imperiled moving pictures. Biggest minus is outrageously overlong final credit scroll, which kills much good will at nearly seven slug-slow minutes.

Re:I don't get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990584)


LSD

Re:I don't get it... (1)

k3v0 (592611) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990677)

i was reading the paper and found that one of the guitarists of sonic youth was playing locally (the international house in philly) and then i found what he was doing: live backup for a 3 hour film of light refractions in a pure crystal ashtray. i guess they zoom in real close and use the ashtray as a kaleidascope. i couldnt find myself to part with a 10 spot for that fine performance. i do love art, but you can love art and think works of art are trash.

The decasia site disintegrated (2)

dagg (153577) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990552)

You don't have permission to access / on this server.

+1 Redundant

eeewwww (2, Funny)

The_Obfuscator (542644) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990558)

The clip has footage of a cessarian delivery. And I WAS going to eat my eggs...

Re:eeewwww (2)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990660)

> The clip has footage of a cessarian delivery. And I WAS going to eat my eggs...

Well, if someone had eaten their eggs a few decades ago, the resulting film couldn't have been taken, right?

So what are you waiting for, go eat your eggs already!

bah (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990561)

Slashdot is just more corporate media controlled by capitalist interests.

All the FSF bashing and the continued promotion of proprietary system like OS X as well as promotion of the motion picture industry is very telling.

Anyone know a good tech news source that isn't controlled by a bunch of greedy right wing fucktards?

Deteriorating Web Servers (2)

toupsie (88295) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990576)

It appears that their site is powered by deteriorating web servers. Either that, or Decasia figured I would say not nice things about deterioration and sent my browser a "Forbidden". Who still reads "The Times" anymore for art? Passe.

What is the Deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990588)

What artistic or original contribution is this offering. It seems to be a bunch of old stock footage spliced to make a movie. Is there any interesting of thought provoking ideas here. Has anyone acctually seen the whole presentation? I would like to have a first hand idea to know if this is acctually good, or just a waste of old film.

Hey cool! (5, Funny)

CaffeineAddict2001 (518485) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990589)

The latest NIN video is out!

Re:Hey cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990729)

Ha, ha. Funny, that's what I was thinking. ("Closer") VoyagerRadio.com [mac.com] Transmitting to Earth.

Weird, but oddly appealing (3, Insightful)

Zerbey (15536) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990591)

This Morrison guy is clearly bonkers. Who would make a film out of disintegrating film stock? It's like filming a compost heap.

On the other hand, in the same way everyone (go on, admit it) slows down to take a look at a major road accident you just can't resist seeing how bad it really is.

I, for one will be tuning into Sundance when it airs - just for the pure morbid curiousity.

Re:Weird, but oddly appealing (3, Insightful)

FattMattP (86246) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990730)

Who would make a film out of disintegrating film stock?
Why would someone write the most obfuscated or smallest C code? Because they can. On top of that, it might turn out to be interesting or a learning experience.

People attempt to do something interesting and experimental and observe the results. Most of the time the results aren't great, but sometimes they are. You don't know until you try.

Most art is just visual hacking. Once you realize this it's easy to judge something on its merits and see through any pretense or bullshit that the artist has of himself. You'll also become less patient of prima donnas and have more respect for a modest, yet talented, artist.

Re:Weird, but oddly appealing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990752)

Do you think it's Jim Morrison? He always wanted to do a film called "Zero"...

VoyagerRadio.com [mac.com]

Transmitting to Earth.

music (1)

vena (318873) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991180)

radiohead, moby, portishead, tricky, etc.

lots of music today not only samples from old tracks and leaves the imperfections and degenerations intact (hissing, popping), but goes one step further and purposefully gives a track this sound.

it's no more or less valid, it's just an aesthetic. it has nothing to do with the actual disintegration of the clip (re your accident remark), but rather with the feelings that the aesthetic can evoke: nostalgia, amoung others. of course the danger is in it becoming cliche (which, imho, it has), and you end up with a track or film trying so damn hard to be meaningful that it comes off phony. ie, peter jackson's desperate attempts to prove LOTR's epic nature with prolonged scenery shots in the face of a story that's epic and meaningful enough.

Attn: Sean Penn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990606)

I hope Sean Penn comes home from Iraq to take up the crusade (for film preservation). It would be a disaster if "Fast Times From Ridgemont High" deteriorated to the point that Phoebe Cates' boobs started sagging (in the pool scene).

Re:Attn: Sean Penn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990620)

Sean Penn is a commie red who would ban christmas and apple pie if you gave him the chance!

DVD Desintegration? (2)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990608)

My younger brother(13) has 6 or so DVDs. Not one of them can be watched do to a few scratches. The only benifit of this is that "The Fast and the Furious" is now only 20 minutes long.

I seriously doubt that a lasting disc will be adopted so long as the MPAA controls the standard, and they do "0\/\/N$ j0."

Re:DVD Desintegration? (1)

Unregistered (584479) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990775)

Rentels are worse. They never work right.

Rentals....? (2)

passion (84900) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990897)

Rentels are worse.

But worst of has to be the /. audience spelling mistakes.

In Soviet Cuba (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990625)

Was their webserver also created entirely from deteriorating nitrate film footage?

UGH! Who was the camera man? (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990630)

... Robert Downey Jr.?

Re:UGH! Who was the camera man? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4991368)

You sir, are a moron...

So the question is.. (4, Funny)

tezzery (549213) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990635)

Will someone be looking at crappy bad quality divx cam rips in 100 years appreciating them artistically?

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990637)

Decayed film thinks you are beautiful.

...DEAD HORSE... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990912)

Slashdot user thinks you are annoying.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990646)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA the film decays YOU! ... ... ...

Ya know their right, trolling isn't all its cracked up to be. :-/

...BEATS YOU! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990934)

In White America, cop shoots YOU!

'analog', bleh... (2)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990649)

Does it irritate anyone else when anything with a digital counterpart is called 'analog'? In this case, shouldn't the film be called 'chemical', after all, it was created by a chemical process, and undergoing chemical degradation. Not some form of analog interference.

To me, analog means something like a non-discrete signal, like in a VCR or radio or electric guitar. Not anything non-computerized

Re:'analog', bleh... (1)

ntp (611354) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990709)

Nope:

Main Entry: an*a*log
Pronunciation: 'a-n&l-"og, -"äg
Function: adjective
Date: 1948
1 : of, relating to, or being an analogue
2 a : of, relating to, or being a mechanism in which data is represented by continuously variable physical quantities
b : of or relating to an analog computer
c : being a timepiece having hour and minute hands

Fight Entropy!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990653)

Fight Entropy!!! Fight Entropy!!! Figth Etnropy! !
iFgth Etnrop!y ! giFth tErno!py ! giFt htrEno!p y!

--- Well maybe not...

Re:Fight Entropy!!! (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990776)

This is funny. Funny is this. Funny this is.

The music is amazing too (3, Informative)

van der Rohe (460708) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990658)

Glad to see this film get some props on Slashdot.

The composer of the score, Michael Gordon, is one of my favorite living American composers, and this film is the perfect vehicle for his fascinating, gritty music.

For more info on him and his new music organization Bang On A Can, see their site here [bangonacan.com] .

The soundtrack to the film is available from Cantaloupe [cantaloupemusic.com] , a very interesting label for contemporary music.

Re:The music is amazing too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4991237)

Whatever hippie. Cut those sideburns.

Wanton spending of time (0)

unterderbrucke (628741) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990708)

Seems ridiculous to me. All he did was look through trash bins for old film, even I could do that. The film hasn't even yet acquired a distributer, most likely due to the distinct possibility that no one outside of the extremely devoted art film crowd would enjoy watching it.

Per the article: "It wasn't even well accepted at Sundance"

If you make an artsy film, and it doesn't even generate buzz at Sundance, you're probably not worthy of being released to the mainstream public.

I can understand that having left-brained tendencies I could possibly just don't "understand" this film, but this story smells of a reporter needing a story on New Year's Eve to me, which isn't nessacarily a bad thing. He provided a struggling artist with publicity.

I saw this years ago.. (1)

Beetjebrak (545819) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990726)

..in some art class I took. Don't know if it was this film, but the lecture was about how nitrate films autocombust after some time in storage and the reason why celluloid is so much better. I don't remember much of the class, but the professor showed us a video of deteriorating nitrate film similar to what's on that site. Could it be the same, or has it actually been done before and Slashdot just never picked up on it?

If you want to know more about film preservation.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#4990817)

If you want to know more about film preservation, visit the National Film Preservation Foundation [filmpreservation.org] .

VoyagerRadio.com [mac.com]

Transmitting to Earth

Decomposing nitrates (4, Funny)

psyconaut (228947) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990935)

Gives a whole new meaning to "the premiere went off with a real bang!" ;)

-psy

haiku (1)

bobtheprophet (587843) | more than 10 years ago | (#4990970)

Beautiful decay
One of analog's biggest
advantages: No!

Motive... (1)

qat (637648) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991081)

I fail to see what this movie is trying to prove. Many of the younger age people around don't really care about older movies, especially ones that are in black and white, or even worse, silent films. I'm sure there are plenty of men and women in their 40's or later who wish to preserve this, but they make up such a small amount of our countries population and I myself don't think people feal like spending their hard earned money on preserving these films. Sure, they are an important part of our countries history. They helped us through the wars, they informed us, and most importantly they comforted us. Not only that, but unless this movie gets some main-stream attention (such as a commercial on Fox or HBO), I doubt this movie will impact anybody. However, it could possibly have been cheap to produce, and they're hoping to make a large profit off it. Who knows? It's a lost cause if you ask me...

I have some of that stuff :) (2, Interesting)

dbCooper0 (398528) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991224)

Circa 1935-1940. Hand rolled 35mm loads have taken the warmest, least grainy photos I've been able to produce with my 2 OM2s and a Leica M3.

I think I have about 100 feet of it left. It's safely (?) stored in my Michigan basement (no, not a dirt floor) which is ~68 deg.F. 24/7/365.

My father was a professional photographer; it's left over from his days of filming Generals and Celebrities in the LA area in the 40s. I was in a band when I found it - it provided the best promo shots we ever got when used with proper flash and a remote shutter switch with a winder.

With the dangers involved, it's not stored near anything flammable, and I will put some back into service soon (new darkroom in the next six months) - it beats the crap outta the Kodak offerings for B/W, IMHO.

Caveat: I'd guess it's fastest (pushed) speed is ASA 20 :(

Forgot to say what brand... (1)

dbCooper0 (398528) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991248)

Ya Well, it's Agfa.

Wait a moment... (1)

sryx (34524) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991330)

Maybe this is what they found in that politicians garbage! [slashdot.org]
-Jason

Yes you can't beat me (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 10 years ago | (#4991332)

I killed The Digital Man, and now they are praising my victory with this.
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