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Wahoo P4 Stratagem System Review

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the test-driving dept.

Hardware 323

Ian Bell writes "Buddhacon reviews the P4 stratagem system from Wahoo Computers. Could this be the most powerful home system on the market? With just about every option available including an overclocked Intel 2.9GHz CPU, Radeon 9700PRO, 1GB of memory and all the cooling features you can think of you would think a system like this would blow the competition away. Just goes to show that sometimes a fine tuned V6 can beat an over the top V8."

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first post (-1, Offtopic)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004732)

karma to burn.

Wow (1)

FS1 (636716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004734)

I think the thing has reach nirvana. Or at least is very close.

I don't get it (5, Insightful)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004882)

Why are people remotely excited about this?

I figured that some poster had managed to sucker the editors into putting an ad up, but apparently people are really into this.

Can anyone tell me why people *care* about this? There's nothing particularly significant about this computer. It's not on the level of people introducing case windows for the first time, nor is it a never-before-done hardware hack. Some guy tossed a bunch of stuff that's already been done into a case, and is selling it for a *lot* of money. Big whoop.

This doesn't have unparalleled performance, since Sun sells systems that can smoke this thing.

It doesn't let home users do anything they couldn't do before, since no software requires this, and in two years it's going to be a middling system.

It's just another currently high-end x86 system. You can get things like this from a *ton* of vendors, with overclocking even.

Re:I don't get it (2)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004965)

uh, as far i could tell by the comments nobody on slash got fooled into thinking it's even remotely worth it.

it's not freakkin high end even.

and the oc is ridiculously low for such a high price.. and why not use a real 3ghz cpu in the first place..

Re:I don't get it (3, Interesting)

tony_gardner (533494) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004988)

Which systems, exactly? I work in a research institution, and we use both Suns and PCs, and every one of our benchmarks that I've seen show that, at any given time, a high end PC (Redhat) beats out a high end Sun (Solaris) workstation for the 3 main CFD codes we use (CPU intensive tasks).

We still buy Sun, for ease of administration, reliability and warranty, but not for speed (or speed/cost ratio).

Re:I don't get it (1)

mfago (514801) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005030)

This doesn't have unparalleled performance, since Sun sells systems that can smoke this thing.

Which systems exactly?

Oh, a Sun Fire 15k should outperform this guy, unless you're counting FPS in [name here]. Nowhere near the $6k pricepoint though.

Seriously, a Sun Blade 2000 is probably price comparable, but I doubt that its performance is comparable (on CFD anyhow). What'd your benchmarks show?

Is it me? (1)

michelcoene (628931) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004945)

Or can I get 3 x more bang for the buck by buying a Dell multi-processor server and stuffing in some fancy video/audio thingies? Or is it the paint that is so expensive?

Stop the car analogies already (4, Insightful)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004966)

why do we always get this idiotic V6, V8 and turbo crap? A V6 of x displacement will be broadly equivalent in power and torque output to a V8 of the same displacement - the car engine/CPU analogy NEVER FUCKING WORKS.

So stop it.

go AMD (5, Funny)

cdf12345 (412812) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004735)

But how will it heat my house in the winter?

sorry, I'll stick with an AMD

Re:go AMD (2)

dlur (518696) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004742)

If you really wanted to heat your house in the winter you should find an old multi-CPU socket 7 board and go with a bunch of old Cyric PR266 CPUs. Now those were good processors...for overheating anyways.

Re:go AMD (1)

HFXPro (581079) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004764)

I second that. In fact I have a Cryis M2 300 (233Mhz) sitting right here on my shelf. Sure its great for average applications, but the fpu is so poor do not even think about playing games, programming your own games, or running a large number crunching program. I had better luck with a 133 MMX Pentium for these types of work.

Re:go AMD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004972)

I had better luck with a 133 MMX Pentium for these types of work.

Not very likely - 166 was the first Pentium with MMX extensions.

Re:go AMD (2, Informative)

HFXPro (581079) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004753)

I will admit AMD chips usually run a higher base temperature, especially compared to a P4. However, P4's of about the same speed with the same heat sink will usually run hotter when loaded up beyond 50-60%. So if you want to heat your house, just let the P4 run a nice number crunching program such as seti@home. I have found this the case in several systems I have had the pleasure of observing.

Heat to cost radio (5, Funny)

cdf12345 (412812) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004773)

but then I have to calculate the cost of savings by going with AMD, vs a P4 and divide that into the supposed heat savings, and I'll probably end up not giving a damn by the end of the calculations....

Re: Just hook it up to your... (1)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004796)

The same can be said about the water cooling job; all the tubes were measured to fit - and are no longer than they have to be.

Just hook the water up to your radiator and you can use that to stay warm at night :)

Beowulf cluster support? (-1)

Patrick Bateman (175284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004740)

TIA

PATRICK BATEMAN IS A COMMIE SCAT FUCKER (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004827)

just a little goatse for ya (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004743)

g to the oatse
c to the izzex

Slick (1)

Soporific (595477) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004748)

I would take one in a second. AMD or Intel wouldn't make a lick of difference to me.

~S

Re:Slick (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004977)

despite the MASSIVE case and terrible photography?

wtf (5, Funny)

CySurflex (564206) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004750)

reviews the P4 stratagem system from Wahoo

Does anyone else think this sounds like Latin crossed with web-dotcom-buzzwords?

Re:wtf (1)

rmarll (161697) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004896)

Does anyone else think this sounds like Latin crossed with web-dotcom-buzzwords?

Think of Don Quixote, and look at the price(6500+). Only in america is the irony this good.

I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for? (4, Insightful)

jonman_d (465049) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004755)

Christ people, this is starting to sicken me. I've got an iMac 333 G3, a couple P2 333 and an old P1 90. Unless you're doing something like heavy graphics editing, what the hell would you ever need something this powerful for? And over over six grand?

People, stop trying to build the fastest box imaginable, and thing serious. Use what you need for the job. Save money. Reuse old machines. Don't spend six grand on something you'll never need (well, you will, but probably when it costs more like a thousand bucks). If you can justify having this much power, okay, but otherwise, stop wasting time and money, and killing perfectly usable old boxen.

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004761)

regardless, you can build the same system with dual pentiums and 2 gigs of ram for less...

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (2)

Rosonowski (250492) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004768)

Well, in my case, it ends up being for games.

I can get an average of 40fps at 1024x768 in ut2k3 with everything turned on, and that makes me happy, and I'm running a fairly old system.

MSI k7tTurbo2 (kt133a Chipset)
512MB SDRAM (pc133)
Geforce3 ti200

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (5, Interesting)

MrBoombasticfantasti (593721) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004791)

I disagree with your viewpoint. I'm one of those people that upgrades (or rather buy new) their machines as soon as something faster comes round. Why do I do it, as my old machine is obviously fast enough for any normal purpose? Well, a couple of reasons: 1) Games! I play a lot of graphics intensive games that can really use all the oomph you can wring out of the hardware. Call me shallow, and I shall ignore you! ;-) 2) I recycle my old machine to neighbours, friends and charity. Two weeks ago, I gave away my XP2400+/512Mb/180Gb/GnuLinux system to a local organisation that works with handicapped children. 3) I like to build machines from parts I get from all over the place. I usually lead the local stores in performance by at least half a year. Again, I know this is a weird thing but I enjoy that. Anyway, while I don't *need* to upgrade, I frequently do: about every three months. Ciao!

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004794)

dumbass
take your boxen and shove them up your ass

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004819)

Hey, good one jackass!

Who needs fast boxen, no one! I'm sure _everything_ in the world runs fine and great on your nice 333 G3 and p2 333, right? Nooooot a single slowdown ever. Nothing, period. Nada?.

Pleaaaase.

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (2)

Andorion (526481) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004830)

I think it's absolutely STUPID to say that a P2 333 is 'fast enough' for home use. Granted, 3GHz might be overkill at the moment *only* because of how expensive it is, but there are definitely reasons to have a fast machine.

Hell, even if you disregard every single cool application that either runs better or needs a fast machine to run, it's worth getting a fast machine simply for how responsive it is.

-Berj

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (2)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004895)

I think it's absolutely STUPID to say that a P2 333 is 'fast enough' for home use.

All depends on what you're using, doesn't it?

XP is pretty awful on something like that, but Linux is more than happy on a system of that caliber.

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (1)

GraZZ (9716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004916)

Just don't try to compile XFree86 on it too often :P

not too bad (2)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004935)

I've been building a new server on a 150Mhz 486 p54C Overdrive with 64mB RAM, it chugs along quite nicely compiling Apache et al.

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (1)

Kenshiro (6045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004836)

Oh, no, you're missing the point entirely. I use my old P-120 for computing, of course.

This thing is mood lighting for my living room!

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (2, Insightful)

NeoEinstein (625476) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004845)

I pretty agree with you but, where do you find old boxes ? The whole computer market is overclocked overheated and overmoneyed ! I got my AMD 550MHz since three years now, and wouldn't give it away, but even that is too much for the use I have : wife's reading and sending mail, sister surfing on the Internet, myself got not enough time to really appreciat the power. But now there are 2GHz and more, cool yeah, but does it really enhance working speed ?? It allows you to faster kill in Quake3 (or alike), but that's pretty all it does !

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (1)

PuVDraM (637891) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004862)

Well, your 550 is pretty fine, IMHO. But instead of getting a older box, make it silent :o) That's the problem with old boxes : a lot of noise. (I am really happy with my AMD 700, especially when I wonder whether it's running)

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (2)

0x0d0a (568518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004903)

That's the problem with old boxes : a lot of noise.

I gotta disagree. Fans tend to get noisier over time, but as long as you're PIII/K6 era or before, you have far less heat generated than an Athlon or a P4. Which means you can run quieter fans.

I know someone with a 486 and no fans.

Porn is just that much better at 2.9ghz! (5, Funny)

cdf12345 (412812) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004846)

Really, I swear!

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (5, Funny)

craigtay (638170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004857)

the reason I would buy the thing is because my penis is small. That machine will make others believe otherwise. Plus it has an AWESOME DVD burner, in blue no less!

Impressing others (2)

pommiekiwifruit (570416) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005038)

the reason I would buy the thing is because my penis is small. That machine will make others believe otherwise.

I find spending a couple of hours with PhotoShop provides much clearer proof for the doubters.

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (1)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004864)

You probably don't do much of the following:

1) Games
2) MS Office files

These are two things and force us to upgrade. :(

(You probably argue Office 97 running just fine...until you need to read somebody else's document, which mostly likely in Office XP format)

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (5, Insightful)

Stanley Feinbaum (622232) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004884)

Most people don't need a Porsche either, but I sure as hell enjoy mine.

Consider this a "luxery PC" and the market for these items is generally small, but profitable.

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004995)

Professional journalist? Why the fuck can't you spell LUXURY then? Useless, lying twat.

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004981)

even more pertinent is the fact that you'll be able to build something faster for $1500 in 3 months time. It's a total waste of everyone's time.

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (2)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004984)

my 2 word rebute...

doom 3

Re:I'm sorry, but WTF would you ever need this for (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005041)

that's ONE word and ONE number

My Money (2)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005028)

Hey, I have a great idea. How about you not telling us what we should spend our money on.

I'm not trying to be harsh, but every time an article is posted about a faster chip, bigger hard drive, or overclocking, you mofos come out of the woodwork and tell us we are stupid. It just gets really old.

I personally have a K6-500 that I use as a file server. I have used it to surf the internet, but with new software (Mozilla, KDE, WinXP, etc...) it really bogs. I could probably use an older version of Windows or KDE and swap out Mozilla for lynx, but I don't want to. I want to use the latest, bug ridden software. And I want to have a fast computer.

Stop telling us that our hobbies sicken you. Stop telling us where our money is best spent. Let us have our fun.

Maybe they need it for....... (2)

mdechene (607874) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005033)

cd linux*
make xconfig
make dep
make bzImage

Try doing that on one of them pokey computers and then realizing you forgot to include the module for your sound card after you reboot the new kernel. Back to the drawing board. Of course, a $200 microtel pc from Walmart would probably do the trick, but if these kids wanna inflate the economy, I ain't stopping them.

$6535.00? (1)

Gleng (537516) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004756)

It looks really nice, but at $6535.00 (I'll assume that's USD) isn't it a bit overpriced for a system that'll be only adequate in 6 months/1 year?

Yes, it's an extremely sweet machine but certainly not value for money.

Re:$6535.00? (1)

PuVDraM (637891) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004832)

BTW, do you know that 6535 is a sequence of figures that is encountered rather early in the decimals of pi ? They could have chosen some earlier ($3141 or $1415, even $4152 would have been better)

Anyway. I agree that it won't even be good for enterprises. (Who spend quite a block of money into machines, AFAIK)

But, when you think of it, it is rather pleasant to work on an overpowered machine 8 hours a day :o) And you can't say it is not "adequate", because with all this VNC, Windows 2000, SAP, automated management, Windows X servers and stuff, machines are not that quick. Have you ever tried to use Eclipse on an AMD 700 ? They say that when you're programming, "labourious tasks have to be automated". Automating tasks in programming (requires syntax analyzing and things like that) costs a lot in terms of CPU. And it's nice when boring things are quickly done in your stead :o)

I still think it won't work, but it would be kinda cool if my employer provided me such a machine. ;o)

Re:$6535.00? (1)

very (241808) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004874)

I'd like to get rid off the floppy and the drive, so that will cost me $6485.00

nope it's still too expensive for me.

Maximum PC (2)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004760)

Amazing. That's just about the same specs that Maximum PC put in their Dream Machine 2002.

Of course, that was dead tree form, and 2 months ago, so Slashdot is amazed by this computer because it's advertised online.

All these componants are available, and have been for a while. If you want to make one of these, go for it. Grab a ThermalTake case or a VapoChill, an Intel board and 1GB of PC1066 with a 2.8/2.whatever, and go to town. Overclock your 9700 pro.

It's not special. It's just special to slashdot.
Or, if you prefer:

Old and busted... New hotness.

we SAID 'Meh' (2, Offtopic)

zephc (225327) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004772)

I'd like the alienware Area51 laptop [alienware.com] more

up to 3 GHz p4, even if it IS a desktop P4 and not a laptop one... that's what AC adaptors are for

OT: Helper Monkeys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004799)

Heh. If you are in fact referring to this I was under the impression my coworkers and I had the market cornered on the so called "meh" good to see others picking up the slack.

Re:we SAID 'Meh' (2)

Toraz Chryx (467835) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004870)

You realise that a desktop P4 3.06Ghz can kick out around 100w of heat when going 100% on something... right?..

Do you have ANY idea what that would do to your lap? :)

Re:we SAID 'Meh' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004920)

Alienware = sager

http://www.sagernotebook.com

Alienware is just rebranded with a nice case.. bleh

Overpriced systems are newsworthy? (5, Insightful)

Unoriginal Nick (620805) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004776)

Who, in their right mind, would buy one of these for $6536? You could easily build a faster system for 1/3 the price. It seems like a company that just doesn't know how to build computers. It comes with water cooling, but could only be overclock to 2.9GHz before it started becoming unstable. What? Why does it have a Zip drive if it comes with a CD and DVD burner? Why RAID-0 WD1200JB hard drives, and not a Cheetah 15k.3 for a boot drive? And most importantly, they don't seem to know how to ship a computer:
"Due to inadequate mounting procedures, the Radeon 9700's core was ripped from the card during shipping."

P4, but where is the HyperThreading? (-1)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004782)

Sorry, but if I paid 6k for a system I'd at least expect it to have the _latest_ CPU from intel and not some 6 month old junk.

NOT WORTH IT (5, Informative)

Chuu (307073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004787)

I have been building my own systems for quite a while. This system is a nice one . . . but $6500 jesus christ! And it's not even top of the line -- for some reason they are using a P4 2.5ghz @ 3.0ghz, instead of a true 3.0 with hyperthreading. This leads me to believe it was an old review. Anyways, back to the price issue, if I was to put an equivalent to that system (i.e. top of the line now, instead of top of the line then) into a decent case:



Equivalent watercooling System: $300

Enermax 550W Quiet Power Supply: $180

Case Fans: $20 (They're using panaflo L1A's for everything, an excellent choice for a watercooled system, but yes they really are this cheap)

Babybus: $40

Pentium4 3.0ghz /w HT gaurenteed to overclock nicely: $700 (note this is about $400 more then the CPU they are using)

2x HDD Cooler: $25

Top of the line Granite Bay Motherboard: $200 (includes intel 10/100/1000 ethernet)

2x Sticks of 512mb Insane DDR of a brand of your choice : $400

Radeon 9700 pro : $270

Sound Blaster Live! Audigy Platnium : $200 (To anyone considering this -- DO NOT BUY IT -- go with terratek if you truly care about sound!)

2x WD1200JB Hard Drives: $280

Plextor CD-RW + HP DVD+RW Drives : $450

Zip Disk + Floppy: $35

Hardware Modem: $50

WinXP Pro: $170

Total: $3662

That is a FREEGING HUGE PRICE DIFFERENCE. Your paying about $3000 for the case plus them putting it together. I mean, I know that there are people willing to pay quite a premium for a well built system they don't have the time to research -- but jesus chrirst $3000 is nuts. This article is just more free advertising for some random company.

Re:NOT WORTH IT (5, Insightful)

darkov (261309) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004861)

The problem is that the people with enough money to buy this sort of stuff most often have the least knowledge or time to put one together. And the time factor is substatial. When it starts flaking out on you intermitently you can't just dump it on the vendor. You have to pull out or replace each bit until you find out whats going on. Ror your average nerd this is no problem since they have lots of time on their hands -pesky things like girlfriends or lives don't sap their tinker time, but for most people they have better things to do.

So yes, you're right, but there is obviously a market for this sort of stuff.

Re:NOT WORTH IT (2)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005002)

When it starts flaking out on you intermitently you can't just dump it on the vendor.
You've obviously never shopped at frys! They just re-shrinkwrap whatever gets returned in the hope that some sucker loses his reciept!

Re:NOT WORTH IT (2)

Chuu (307073) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005051)

I do agree with you, but the thing is there are comporable companies that are charging nowhere near the 100% markup. Alienware is the most popular name on the list, I've done quick tallies on them and come up with markups of ~10-30% on average, which is very reasonable considering the included support package and software (this $6500 machine comes bare). The number one draw on this overpriced monster is the case -- and I swear i've seen it somewhere before on a high end case website for ~$300 or so. I just have a viseral reaction when I see just blatent rip-off's like this. Hense the reason I try to avoid stores like Microcenter like the plague.

Re:NOT WORTH IT (2, Funny)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004875)

The extra $3000 for each box sold is to make up for the loss in recovering meltdowned servers as a result of slashdot effect.

That cost you to attempt to advertise in Slashdot. :)

How much for the last 100MHz?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004788)

OK so you can put together a very nice 2.4GHz system for $1k, or a decent 2.8GHz system for $1.5k, or this for how much? Why was this even /.ed?

Forum Links (2)

Rosonowski (250492) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004789)

Ok, was it just me, or did the "forum links" on the side bar read like a troll's wetdream?

Orgasms from around the world by dang
- International Music by dang
- From Russia, with lots of tongue by twitch
- Whoa, girls come here!? by twitch
- Kung Fu Stick fighting, episode 3! by Kernobi
- Man To Get 3 Years in Prison for Pretending to be Will Smith by Kernobi
- Eew! Urine skincare products by Kernobi
- What is a girls favorite sexual position? by Kernobi
- Girlfriends and video games do they mix? by Kernobi
- OMG look at these boobs by Kernobi

Re:Forum Links (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004922)

- OMG look at these boobs by Kernobi

Here is the link [orst.edu]

Where is my Opteron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004792)

Nuff it! 64 Bit would anyday kick 32 bit crappy P4 2.9 Ghz!

This is news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004802)

I mean come on guys this has been out there for a while and at this cost? Please and editor would be nice on occasion.

Still too damn slow... (2)

ites (600337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004805)

And in the 1970's, they thought that digital watches were the coolest thing. Sure, this machine almost fast enough to divx my library of DVDs before I die, but that's not real computing. What I'm waiting for is a machine powerful enough to calculate the DNA sequences for artificial life. Now that's hard work. Another 20 years or so of Moore's law, and we'll be there. Then I can just scan and clone myself, with a few improvements.

Re:Still too damn slow... (4, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004824)

" What I'm waiting for is a machine powerful enough to calculate the DNA sequences for artificial life."

Yeah, they should just build that instead of doing these incremental speed increases.

WHO CARES. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004811)

Jesus, it's just a box. Only the very lamest of fanboys get excited over the newest incremental increase in x86 computing hardware capacity.

Seriously, it's like you all forget that in a few weeks time, something that is a few percentage points faster will be available. Simply knowing of the newest releases from the hardware manufacturers hardly qualifies you as being "elite". It's boring, commodity x86 hardware. YAWN. What a fucking lame story, and it made the front page.

Re:WHO CARES. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004852)

I'm "elite" I have a Sparc5 and a PA-RISC 712/60.

Everyone knows hardware has everything to do with your "eliteness", at least it does with those who use those terms.

No, I AM ELITE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004881)

I've got HP APOLLO 700 with 21" monitor! It costed more than $5000 back in early 1990!

what's with those game scores? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004816)


Like, 89.5879472940295873409045687723094587345 fps dude!

Re:what's with those game scores? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004825)

You've gotta try overclocking! 89.5879472940295873409045687723094587346 is so much smoother!

Multiple CPUs? (3, Insightful)

tgrotvedt (542393) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004817)

For that price, you could build a dual CPU box with 2 PIII class chips. You could match the RAM, video/sound cards, HDD etc. A system that could do almost everything this one can could have been built 12 months ago.

Before people say that this is different because it's a desktop (unmodified), do I need to point out that the average user won't need this much power? The people that buy this will be rich techies, or businesses. Alot of techies prefer dual CPU stuff for the value, so this has no real market. Too new, too expensive.

I'm confused (4, Insightful)

Andorion (526481) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004820)

"Most powerful home system"? 3.06GHz P4s are available, I don't understand why this system has a 2.8 overclocked to 2.9?

-Berj

2.5ghz? (2, Interesting)

phreak03 (621876) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004844)

Sheesh, i overclocked my 1.8 p4 to that without watercooling even. antek server case, and thermaltake dragon cpu fan. While I understand the built in tempreture sensors in a P4 chip that prevent overheating, what is there to stop you from frying your nice radeon 9700 and haveing a first class door stop? correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the latest ddr fastaer anyways? throw in the fact that this thing is useing a PCI card for a raid controller (i don't care if the motherboard has gigabit, get one with a raid controller, like the nice ABIT) the only articles i'd want to see would either be on what the heck these "duel bios" motherboard are all about, and why the heck hasn't their been more fanfair over abits "legacy free" motherboards (screw ps2 and serial and the endless irq conflicts)

V6 != V8 != V12 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004856)

"Just goes to show that sometimes a fine tuned V6 can beat an over the top V8."

Huh? The V8 of the Koenigsegg CC [koenigsegg.se] tops the V12 of a McLaren F1. That is no news.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004860)

Wahoo Stratagem reviews YOU!

last post (1)

AnimeFreak (223792) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004867)

nobody is allowed to post anymore after this post

Who needs this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004876)

I just gave my 1.5GHz Athlon XP to my brother and installed FreeBSD on my old 200MHz Pentium. Hey, I'm doing more than fine with this setup! All the necessary applications are there and 'cause I'm console freak, everything's lightning fast.

I've got Links/Lynx, Pine/Mutt/Elm, Vim/Emacs, and today I'll install some console based MP3 player. What else do I need? Nothing really.

Re:Who needs this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5005017)

You know, I've got a 300 MHz Pentium II over here. If you want, I'll give it to you for a 1.7 GHz Athlon XP. ;-)

Profit! (2, Funny)

xxSOUL_EATERxx (549142) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004909)

You mean you can get people to pay an extra $2000 for a computer just by painting the case *blue*?

...jeez, I'm in the wrong line of work.

For the price this comp is a (1)

Soul Colossus (638172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004913)

piece of ass. shitty overclock, too, espeically for expensive water cooling. i recently built my intel box for roughly $1400: P4 2.4B @ ~3ghz MCX-4000 & 80mm 84cfm Tornado (best P4 aircooling) Epox 4PEA+ (excellent board) 9700 Pro w/ TV-out (only $250 on pricewatch) 512MB Corsair XMS PC3200 DDR Samsung 955DF 19" Monitor (flat) Logitech MX 700 Cordless Optical mouse (sweeet) Antec PlusView 1000 AMG clear side panel ATX case all this doesnt include my 12x CD-RW, 200gb WD drive, and my keyboard and home made rounded cables :) but its a very sweet system for $1400 and very comparable to this $6k POS (i call it a POS cuz thats what u get if your paying $6k). this wahoo may have twice the ram (RDRAM no less) but the way i see it thats not saying much when it comes to just playing some goddamn games and not oggling and the memory benchmarks. i dont know about you but when i build a PC for performance i build it as a sweet gaming machine not to crunch numbers. i always tell friends never to buy a desktop PC unless its something like Alienware (they dont usually cost $6k) but to build their own or have me or antoher friend help them because they learn so much, rather than have all the hard (and fun) work done for you.

Who is the market for these sorts of computers? (5, Interesting)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004914)

I go to college in a small town, and thus I pay my college bills by working for Best Buy. We carry Alienware systems (well, carry is the wrong word, since they're ordered through our store but there are no pre-built systems kicking around). As I walk by our demo unit, I often ponder the market for systems like Alienware, Falcon Northwest, and these Wahoo Fellas. These guys are all using standard component parts, (in the case of Alienware, readily available cases from Chieftec and standard off-the-shelf boards components). In the case of companies like Wahoo and Falcon Northwest, they even tell you the actual Mobo, RAM, Hard disk, etc. manufacturers. So honestly, where is their market?

Retail Boxed PCs have the ignorant consumer who knows the brand name. Screwdriver shops have the slightly more informed consumer looking to save a buck or get more standardized parts (or the geek who doesn't feel like spending his day off building a PC). But these companies seem to charge an extreme premium for their products, given that most screwdriver shops would sell you the exact same parts and assemble them in the same manner (maybe not this watercooling business, but I know of a couple shops that would probably do that). The best I can figure is heavily spoiled 14 year-old boys who know that the Radeon 9700 is good because they saw it on PlanetQuake, but you can't build a computer company on the whims of 14 year-old boys (can you?!?). So seriously, I'd like some input here. Does anyone own, for example, an Alienware or similar system? Do you know someone who owns one? What was the motivation for the purchase? Since it's the only item I can really quantify that they might offer beyond the local shop, do these "premium" PC companies have tech support that's really that much better (or honestly, necessary) than the screwdriver shop that'll sell you the same PC, built with the same parts, for $500 less?

Re:Who is the market for these sorts of computers? (2, Insightful)

ConsistentChaos (594109) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004944)

". . . but you can't build a computer company on the whims of 14 year-old boys (can you?!?)."
One word -- Nintendo.

Re:Who is the market for these sorts of computers? (1)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004963)

I suppose rather than "computer company" I should have used the words "PC Company". Nintendo succeeds with 14 year-old boys because even a 14 year-old can afford a $150 GameCube. Save for a few months, ask for money for your birthday and you're set. Companies like Alienware and so forth are charging over $3,000 for units that can be bought for $800 less. 14 year-old boys can't even fathom $800, much less $3,000, unless they're of the ludicrously spoiled persuasion. While I don't see Dell marketing to 14 year-olds, I do see Nintendo. So, again, where is the market for these PCs?

Re:Who is the market for these sorts of computers? (1)

Soul Colossus (638172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004960)

i dont know anyone that owns a "premium" prebuilt. anyone. BUT i said in the post before yours that id tell someone who wants a gaming PC to buy Alienware or Falcon Northwest over some Gateway or Dell shizzitz. at least Alienware and Falcon won't likely fuck up all the time and fool the customer like their stupid (which is a likely assumption). above all i say grow a cerebral lobe build ur own damn PC or get someone to help you. this comp is SO not worth $6000.

Re:I know some Alienware owners (2)

Bastian (66383) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004983)

They're both friends of my younger brother. Other than the fact that they're 18, you're right - they're boys whose parents have too much money. They go for the PC's like Alienware because they heard that Alienware makes the best computers for gaming, but they really don't know jack/shit about what makes a computer good for gaming.

Coincidentally, most of the kids in this same crowd also have Honda Civics and the like with just about every sort of "racing mod" (their word) imaginable except the ones that would improve a car's performance or handling very much - $400 performance clutches w/ aluminum flywheels on a car that still has the original 1.2L engine and the like.

hmm (1)

craigifer (638175) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004928)

I'll stick with my 225MHz Packard

Pointless (1)

craigifer (638175) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004940)

To me unless you're running some type of server, are into heavy graphics/animation/movie making or are a porn movie addict this power is beyond pointless. Yea, yea, what about the little Quake, etc...players who demand the power. Well to me with the online capabilities of XBox and PS2's why run the crap on computers when one of those boxes are thousands less than this Wahoo job. Doesn't make sense to me.

case mods (1)

aggie113 (601499) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004941)

found it funny that the pics on wahoo's site of the custom lianli case look pretty much like mine :) Except of course mine is better and I have the personal pride invested in it that comes with creating something yourself. I never can understand it when a techie buys an OEM. Why would you not want to put together your own system? (rhetorical question) Some case pics [deskcussion.com]

omg i want to suck them (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5004942)

er case mods (1)

aggie113 (601499) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004958)

er, better make that for case pics [dekscussion.com]

Re:er case mods (1)

PuVDraM (637891) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004968)

Here [loki-hq.de] is the site of the guy who designed the case. :o)

I'm confused... (4, Informative)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 11 years ago | (#5004970)

...it might just be me, but I swear the first page says it has a 2.8 P4 overclocked to 2.9, but the last pages says a 2.53 and no mention of overclocking.

I would hate to pay $6500 and be slighted 370 mhz of performance...

Can you imagine... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5005004)

...a beowulf cluster of these?

Sorry...it had to be said...

A custom case is not news. (3, Insightful)

Insanity (26758) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005007)

It doesn't matter if this computer is a good deal or a bad one, if the components are well chosen or not, if the construction quality is amazing or if the whole thing just looks cheesy, the real question is this: how is this news?

Someone throws standard retail components into a custom-designed case, sells it for way more than it's worth, and somehow we care?

Computers are not cars, there is no art to tweaking them at the hardware level. Put prefabricated components together in the right way, and you have a computer. There are many hardware sites dedicated to this; let this kind of article be posted there.

This whole case-modding culture is a joke if you think about it. It's the computer equivalent of bored rich kids paying someone to put the world's largest spoiler on a civic.

V6 and V8 comparisons (2)

Tribbles (218927) | more than 11 years ago | (#5005010)

V6 engines normally outperform a V8 with the same size - the V6 has less rotary momentum to worry about, and so has a faster rev increase. V8s have a higher rotary momentum (more pistons), and so will be slower to rev.

Just a little side-piece...
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