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Hollywood's DRM Agenda Moving Forward

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the get-ready-for-a-shift dept.

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risingphoenix writes "The New York Times has a story about the progress Hollywood has made putting Digtal Rights Management in the marketplace. The story focuses on what technology is currently in place; what the next moves, technically and legally, are for the industry and how consumers are being affected by Hollywoods power grab."

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288 comments

Gay Sex! (-1, Troll)

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Re:Gay Sex! (1)

renenoel (522951) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019708)

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I AM SO FIRED! (-1, Offtopic)

YOU ARE SO FIRED! (635925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019530)

How could I allow the 20 second filter stop me from getting the first post? I'll pack up my things and get out. I'm fired!

lalalala (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019532)

first!

bow down, losers!

YOU ARE ALSO SO FIRED! (-1, Troll)

YOU ARE SO FIRED! (635925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019940)

No first post = no job, loser. Bow down to my administrative powers, because you are fired!

Speed bumps (5, Funny)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019535)

"We need to put in speed bumps to keep people honest," said Jack Valenti

Personally, I think Jack Valenti needs a few speed bumps on his head to knock some sense into him.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (621411) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019572)

The links in our .sigs work!

Re:Speed bumps (5, Insightful)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019639)

The problem with the MPAA is that they can't understand that maximizing revenue is not consistent with making your customers the enemy.

The biggest problem with all these DRM schemes is that the restrictions are pointlessly complex so the consumer can't understand them. The other closely connected problem is not telling the customer about them.

It will be interesting to see whether stopping people from recording pay per view increases viewership or as I expect causes people not to pay the already exhorbitant fees.

Re:Speed bumps (1, Troll)

Kragg (300602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019665)

The biggest problem with all these DRM schemes is that the restrictions are pointlessly complex so the consumer can't understand them. The other closely connected problem is not telling the customer about them.

Um, hello? What planet are you from where you can confuse people with things that you don't even need to tell them about? This is exactly the kind of passion-fired stupidity that we really don't need.

Either the DRM is complex. Then people don't understand it.
Or it is seamless. Then you don't tell them about it.

Are you saying you don't want either? Because DRM has to happen, it's a fact of life. Personally I'd go for seamless anyday.

Re:Speed bumps (2)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019719)

Why does it have to happen? Why doesn't the goverment just inforce the current laws?

Re:Speed bumps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5020004)

"Whar do you mean, why's it got to be built? It's a bypass. You've got to build bypasses." - L Prosser

Re:Speed bumps (2)

gilroy (155262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019771)

Blockquoth the poster:

Either the DRM is complex. Then people don't understand it.
Or it is seamless. Then you don't tell them about it.

Or, the DRM is complex and clunky, therefore things fail mysteriously. For a world that has come to accept the Blue Screen of Death, and for whom "equipment failure" is the first, last, and only response of tech support, Hollywood can try to skate by with a "Your equipment doesn't work", leaving the consumer frustrated and confused.

Re:Speed bumps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019956)

Your a joke.

Re:Speed bumps (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019650)

"If we don't, our future is bleak."

They are so full of shit. I am too lazy on a Sunday morning to look for the article but they made tons more money this year than last. I download movies like fucking crazy (mostly DVD rips). But just last week (in a 7 day time span) I went to see three movies (Gangs of NY, LOTR, and Harry Potter 2). Two of those movies were w/another person (Gangs of NY would not be appreciated by my gf :) I have rented 3 DVDs in two weeks...

Now. Sure. I have probably 100 DVD rips. But that doesn't mean that they have lost anymore money on me than they would have on anyone else.

If I didn't download them, I wouldn't have watched it at all. No money lost here.

They made a fortune on me in the past two weeks... Get over it Hollywood. When your fucking "stars" quit parading around in their jewels, fancy cars bought for each other, and see through dresses and start showing up to $1 theatres dressed in rags and dragging four children along that you had to pull from the nearest dumpster after they ate for the latest hollywood premiere, don't come crying to me.

Re:Speed bumps (3, Interesting)

Lonath (249354) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019896)

WTF dude. Not only are you giving them money to use to take away from computers, you're parroting that tired old line that "I wouldn't have bought/seen them anyway" to justify stealing. If you want to stop this, then stop giving them money so they can't implement these things, and also don't copy things illegally since you're just giving them reasons to take away computers. This isn't really about piracy anyway. It's about control. They're no different than the scribes who got the government to restrict the printing press a few hundred years ago (look up "Stationers Guild" and "printing press") and was the reason why freedom of speech and of the press are in the Bill of Rights. You're doing exactly what they want: giving them money and an excuse to fuck you and everyone else.

Re:Speed bumps (1)

attobyte (20206) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019980)

Also I know at least 4 other people that collect DVDs. I my self have like 120 DVDs. The four other people have 200, 150, 520, and 300. The are more then full of shit believe me but everyone has on their blinders. So I guess we just live with the ignorance and move on.

Re:Speed bumps (3, Funny)

giel (554962) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019767)

When going to the movies or renting a movie I always create a copy using a very sofisticated on a biological base containing very obscure and obfuscated encoding mechanisms, which I can and do use to provide friends with information on subjects such as if the movie was good or whether it was crap and what it was all about.

All of it does sound so illegal, they might even be able to drag me into court for doing so...

It's just a matter of a few years and they will force you to forget what you've seen when leaving a theatre...

4 words (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019542)

damn power mongering bastards

Hollywood's DRM Agenda Moving Forward (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019569)

Wish Taco would quote the New York Times more fully when posting about one of their articles.
NYT demands 'registration' in order even connect
to their site. This consists of more intrusive
questions than a CIA job app, and I just KNOW
that they sell this to every data miner with a
buck and an overdeveloped urge to procreate.
Dont like DRM any more than he does, but surely
this info can be found somewhere else. With all
the news sources free around the world, NYT's
old motto: 'all the news thats fit to print'.. .........ain't.

Re:Hollywood's DRM Agenda Moving Forward (1)

ComaVN (325750) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019598)

You mean you actually fill in your real info when registering? I'm pretty sure their registration database is filled to the brim with crap. Filtering out the good ones is probably more expensive than going door to door all over the world putting flyers in people's mailbox.

Eat This HollyWood- DeCSS Descrambler Below (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019571)

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
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# MPEG 2 PS VOB file on stdin -> descrambled output on stdout
# arguments: title key bytes in least to most-significant order
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$m=(11,10,116,100,1 1,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])$t^=(72, @z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16
-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12 :0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if ((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h
=5;$_=unxb24,join"",@ b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$ h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$
d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256| (ord$b[4])>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^ $d>>4^
$d^$d/8))>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^ $q>=8)+= $f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/p ack+/g;eval

From A Cave Somewhere In Amerika,

W00t

They will hunt you down...... (2, Insightful)

PAPPP (546666) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019684)

Now you've done it, they are going to hunt you down with some new flashy, expensive, and dubiously constitutional surveillance system, and attack you for distributing circumvention devices.
(I wish this was completely joking...)
-PAPPP

Stop watching TV.. (4, Insightful)

netsharc (195805) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019578)

So what, Hollywood makes shit anyway. Turn off your TV, stop the flow of bullshit that will only numb your brain and not entertain you. Learn something new, build something, tell someone you love them, evolve from the dumb mass-market consumer that we are.

Re:Stop watching TV.. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019655)

and start reading /. that'll stop the flow... oh wait a minute, never mind

Bill? Is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019830)

Bill Hicks lives.

uhh, no you should demand more. (5, Insightful)

twitter (104583) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019873)

You and the New York Times are missing the bigger picture. You say that we should stop watching TV and movies if we don't like what we see. Great, I doubt anyone would object to that. I don't pay for cable TV and I rarely watch broadcast. I'll miss broadcast TV when the feds turn it into some kind of ecrypted nightmare, but not much more than I miss it now. Right now I miss it a whole lot. What I'm talking about is the fact that there are millions of people making content that I will never be aware of. The larger problem is that DRM is being used to conqure the digital world and perpetuate the artificial scarcity of recorded music and films that 100 year old technology created.

That evil box sitting on your TV and "media consolidation" are the keys to making every place as unserved by culture as North West Alaska in 1910. Media consolidation assures the current broadcasters that no on else will be able to provide content. MP3.com will die sooner or later under it's lawsuit loads, and all the others that would do likewise know better than to throw good money after bad. That evil box on your TV will makes sure no one else can create content that your TV will play. An equivalent box in the local movie theater already prescribes what content will apear on the screen and when - without a physical copy ever entering the building. Wanna try to get your movie distributed in a theater like that? Good luck trying to own the satilite, and escaping the FBI if you try. The theater owner can't help you even if they wanted to.

The only solution is to create a peer maintained independent wireless network. All the wires are owned by people who think they can screw you all day long.

Re:uhh, no you should demand more. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019924)

You paint a bleak picture...

What can be done to counteract this situation here and now?

Armed revolt seems the likely answer...blood will run in streets of hollywood and the world shall be cleansed and all will be free...

The next moves... (1)

charleschuck (97939) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019588)

what [sic] the next moves, technically and legally

So, what...the guys in Hollywood are discussion what position they want us in when they bend us over and screw us?

Charles

Re:The next moves... (0, Offtopic)

charleschuck (97939) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019606)

1,$s/discussion/discussing

(Seriously...I did hit the preview button! I swear! :-) )

Re:The next moves... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019618)

(Seriously...I did hit the preview button! I swear! :-) )

So you were a dumbfuck TWICE?

Re:The next moves... (1)

charleschuck (97939) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019633)

So you were a dumbfuck TWICE?

Well, yes, especially for my dumb-assed regular expressions error. This is slashdot, I expected to get flamed for that. No one cares about flagrant assults on the English language, I guess...

Sorta OT... (5, Insightful)

handsomepete (561396) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019595)

Is it possible that the MPAA is intentionally pushing the home theater as the Theater of the Future(tm)? Just like the extinction of arcades has begun due to home entertainment catching up, will the movie theaters also start to thin because the experience will be just as good at home? The line in the article (un: payyourauthors pw: abouttime):

"The digital future, hailed as more convenient and of higher quality than the scratchy, fuzzy analog past, is coming with multiple strings attached"
made me wonder what they're actually offering us in exchange for what's being taken away - that is basically, easy to tape television and easy to copy movies. Is the picture going to get much better on DVDs? Will large, widescreen/wall TVs get cheaper? Will there a be a point where first run movies are released simultaneously in theaters and Best Buy? Or submitted directly to our homes via a set top box for 7 bucks (for each person in the room, of course)? Will Jack Valenti live to be an unholy 300 years old? Just thinking.

Re:Sorta OT... (4, Interesting)

Dunark (621237) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019675)

Is it possible that the MPAA is intentionally pushing the home theater as the Theater of the Future(tm)?

I think so. The filmmakers get rid of an entire distribution system and it's costs, and replace it with equipment that the customer has to buy. The shifting of cost to the customer results in increased profits.

If they get away with the first step, the next thing I'd expect is movie rental prices that vary depending on the playback equipment. IE, you pay one price for playback on plain TV's with up to 30 inch sceens, and higher prices for bigger screens, HTDV and/or better audio. They'll justify this by claiming that you use a bigger screen because you're playing back to a bigger audience. Eventually, they'll demand that the playback equipment be able to count the number of viewers and refuse to play if you didn't pay a suffucent rental fee.

Re:Sorta OT... (2)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019736)

Well I see it with DVD's already. I look at the prices for renting a DVD and then compare it to buy DVD's on the cheap. The DVD rental costs about a third of the price and hence I end up buying DVD's.

HOWEVER, if the movie industry thinks they can control then people will not upgrade. That Plasma TV may look nice, but if I cannot tape then I WILL NOT BUY.

And because the Plasma TV costs a fortune right now, the price will not drop. Even now the US administration is having problems turning off analog TV senders. People are not seeing this as an urge to upgrade.

Case in point has been 16/9 TV in Europe. It has been around for 10 years now and the adoption rate is still about 1%. What has been the latest use of 16/9? I saw a TV that can show TV Text (Web for TV) and the TV program at the same time.

It does not matter what they do (5, Insightful)

evilmonkey_666 (515504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019596)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If I can watch it, I can capture it and digitize it. After that I can encode it any way I want.

They cannot escape from this undeniable truth. Real mass piracy will never go away for this reason. This DRM technology only serves to take away consumers fair use and increases corporations control.

Either way, this won't ever become mainstream. People will demand the rights to use their media any way they want to. That means being able to make and burn mp3s for portable players in their car etc. As soon as people figure this out the hardware simply won't sell.

Why else do you think macrovision disabled region free DVD players out sell normal players?

Re:It does not matter what they do (4, Insightful)

Carrot007 (37198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019644)

They DO know this you know.

Do not underestimate them, this is why they do not want just DRM control but complete control of computers. What they are ultimatly after is control over what you can run on your computer. ie. They have to sign everything. Then you can not do what you want, and for the few capable of making there own computer and using it, they want that made ilegal.

In any war it it first best to know what your enemy actually wants.

Re:It does not matter what they do (1)

evilmonkey_666 (515504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019677)

Exactly, and my point is this will simply not happen. They tried to pass similar laws years ago when VCRS became popular. And look - they learned to live with it. The same thing will happen now.

Re:It does not matter what they do (2, Interesting)

Carrot007 (37198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019697)

Possibly, and I do hope it does, however one thing is different now.

The technology actually exists to make it possible to do what they want.

In fact as I recall certain laws were passed which at the time had no feasable way on being enforced.

The reason these laws passed was because there was no fasable way of enforcing them.

However now they can, and this could mean it may be already too late unless people (the common man as it were) realise what could happen.

Write Amy Harmon (author of story) (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019610)

The article is completely written from the view of the hollywood studios, riaa, etc. There is no mention for half the article of any consumer opposition and only at the end of the article, which hardly anyone reads, is there an extended discussion of the infringement of fair use. Perhaps the author needs to hear from the /. community regarding their strong opposition to the hollywood policies that infringe fair use.

The only address I could find is letters@nytimes.com which will be directed to the letters editor (duh) but perhaps one could try amy.harmon@nytimes.com or a.harmon@nytimes.com or some other variation.


If anyone *does* find her direct address, pls post.

Re:Write Amy Harmon (author of story) (2, Informative)

Jamz (89107) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019645)

DVD's are already protected by a digital wrapper that prevents them from being copied

AFAIK, CSS stops you decrypting the contents... you can still copy an encrypted file to your heart's content.

If people are going to write technology stories, it would help their credability to get the facts/terminology right!

How they'll screw the public (5, Insightful)

jvmatthe (116058) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019625)

It's easy to see what they're trying. They're going to come up with a draconian, unworkable model that everyone hates. Then they back off to something that we (that being the technically savvy users) still find offensive but that the normal schmoe thinks is a good deal.

After the media companies spin it into Hollywood backing off because they're good Americans and want people to have the right to watch TV (just like it says in the Constitution) the average guy is going to say "Hey, this is a reasonable tradeoff to get The Sopranos in high definition goodness! I sure am glad they didn't stick with that first plan. It would have been awful! Sure, I can't record it, but that would be piracy!"

Time and again, the informed people screwed by the ignorant ones. Same story here.

Re:How they'll screw the public (2, Insightful)

Carrot007 (37198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019829)

I argee, this is indeed what they are trying to do. However it will only work if people are stupid.

For instance. If I were to say "I am going to cut of all of you limbs" for a few weeks and then say "OK, OK, just your legs" does not mean that anyone with an iq over 7 will think I have given them a good proposition.

More than likely what they'll do is heavily promote the fact they have dropped the nasty ideas, and try to push the nearly as nasty ideas though without people noticing.

So what we really need to do is keep a very close eye on what they are doing, even when we think we have won.

Re:How they'll screw the public (5, Insightful)

jvmatthe (116058) | more than 11 years ago | (#5020027)

However it will only work if people are stupid.

Ergo, it will work.

Sorry, feeling a little cynical this morning. :^)

Just Hurry Up and Bring it On. (4, Interesting)

gadlaw (562280) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019629)

I wish the evil ones would just hurry up and bring all of this out. Put the DRM tech in whatever they want. Then try to sell it. The sooner they just do it the sooner I can go on and not buy a damn bit of it. They can stack all of that crap right there with all those copy protected CD's I'm not buying any longer. Or as Clint Eastwood might say, "Go ahead, make my Millenium."

Re:Just Hurry Up and Bring it On. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019637)

So, you don't buy region-protected DVDs?

Alternatives? (5, Insightful)

MacAndrew (463832) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019635)

Hollywood and the music labels DO have a piracy problem and it IS growing. Napster, CD burners, and the like simply didn't exist a few years ago. Moreover, we're going in circles, this same essential battle has been fought before, over cassette tapes andf DAT (remember that? :) and the VCR. It's just a question of degree.

My question is that if you object to DRM because of the way its is done, what should be done? Please don't say "lower prices" because that's just a rationalization that they're somehow forcing pirates to do it. A boycott is a well-proven means of protext.

If you're against intellectual property in general, just skip this, because the industry is never going to work for free, nor accept your suggestion, nor IMHO should they. Folks who create intangibles are as entitled to compensation as people who build bridges.

In an age when it is orders of magnitude easier to copy, what should the rights holders do to protect their work? Think positive! Frankly, I don't know.

Re:Alternatives? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019688)

They should try to actually negotiate the social contract with their customers that would cause people to pay reasonable amounts of money for reasonable deliverables.

As long as Hollywood continues to push overpriced crap down peoples throats, people will continue to try to protect themselves by getting cheaper copies and only buy whatever is really worth the price.

If Hollywood started to realize that people wish to pay for what is good (I personally own two DVD's (no player yet), I've had both films long ago. They're worth the price, so I pay) and don't try to decide for the customers, they'll live better.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

JohnRlI (199149) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019692)

The problem is that the internet and digital media (this is more for music than films) creates an enviroment where the record lable industry has become irrelevent. I would quite happilly send the artist 15 quid (the typical price of a CD over here) directly, and have a CD sent out to me as wave files, which i can then put on a CD for playing in the car, and convert to ogg for listening to at my PC. The artist doesnt have to go through a record lable to have it distributed, he can set it up himself. the problem comes when they copy protect CDs - I listen to all my music (most of it legal) as mp3 and ogg files on my PC - I don't own a CD player and havent for many years - I'm not going to pay for something I can't use.


The fact is that the internet and digital media destroy the RIAA's business model, so rather than addapting what they are trying to do is remove the problem by making it illegal to change the way they work.


The problem is that people dont see why they should have to pay the same ammount for an inferior product - if I pay £15 to get a CD, I can do what I want (within fair use rights); if I get some DRM locked file for which I have to pay the same ammount, it isn't the same quality and I can't use it however I want to. Therein lies the fundamental problem.

Re:Alternatives? (2)

MacAndrew (463832) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019773)

Problems:

(1) what the heck is a quid anyway (literally) or a pound (literally) ... that's been bugging me.

(2) I'm not worried about the labels' "business model". What about the artists' business model? How are they any less susceptible to piracy in exactly the same way? They might see DRM as the only alternative to getting ripped off -- unless offered better alternatives.

I agree that the DRM'd product is inferior, and like fair use, and don't want to pay a lot for an inferior product.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

j-b0y (449975) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019870)

a quid is to a pound (currency) as a buck is to a dollar.

1 pound (weight) = 0.4536 kilograms

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019902)

An entirely accurate and entirely useless reply.

Re:Alternatives? (1)

doctormetal (62102) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019875)

I'm not worried about the labels' "business model". What about the artists' business model? How are they any less susceptible to piracy in exactly the same way? They might see DRM as the only alternative to getting ripped off -- unless offered better alternatives.

With or without DRM, the artists will be ripped off either way (by the record labels)

Re:Alternatives? (5, Insightful)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019703)

It's not *my* problem that their business model is destined to fail.

How could we have saved the buggy whip manufacturers? There was only one way: outlaw the horseless carriage. How could the Monks have kept a monopoly on books? Outlaw the printing press.

How can Hollywood continue to maintain their current rate of return? Abolish the personal computer.

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019758)

Lousy metaphor. DRM is not "Abolish the personal computer" at all -- it's "limit the use of our material on computers."

Re:Alternatives? (4, Informative)

da5idnetlimit.com (410908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019841)

"outlaw the horseless carriage" : happened 8)

"They had found a 1902 Quebec law, actually an amendment to much older horse-thief law, which stated that if any neighborhood in which there were horses complained that their horses were being disturbed by horseless carriages, the residents had the right to ban horseless carriages from their neighborhood. The penalty for a violator, because a comma had been dropped in the printing of the law, was 20 years without appeal, the same as for a horse-thief. " (http://www.root-1.co.il/cookies2.htm)

"Outlaw the printing press" Happened...

"Mr. Gutenberg: I intend to print copies of the Bible and so spread the word of God.

Sir Royale: Why is this a judicial matter?

Mr. Gutenberg: The Scribes Guild, the Educators Guild, the Religious Guild, and the Civil Service Guild seek to outlaw the use of my printing press and have filed petitions to that end.

Sir Royale: What do you believe will be the effects of your invention on scribes who are employed to hand copy manuscripts?

Mr. Gutenberg: There will always be a market for hand-made manuscripts. A machine-made manuscript can not compete with a beautiful illuminated manuscript created by a talented scribe."
(The Gutenberg Deposition : http://www.coe.ilstu.edu/rpriegle/wwwdocs/gutenber .htm )

Now, back to something I read only yesterday :
"First they Ignore you, then they Laugh at you, then they Fight you, then you Win" Ghandi... Once again, GhandiCon 3 Level attained, the victory is nigh.

Forgot this one... (1)

da5idnetlimit.com (410908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019855)

"Social Studies

The invention of the printing press made possible the wide publication of information and ideas. English monarchs, as well as many other European governments, tried to outlaw the printing press because they feared the press would encourage groups to speak out against the government. When governments failed to eliminate the press, rulers tried to stop political protest in other ways.
The English government required publishers to have licenses to print books, pamphlets, plays, or leaflets. The number of licenses was limited, and licensed printers were required to get government approval of their work. Some legal experts denounced licensing the press.
"
http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/bld/Literac y/ged/gedpp /gedtest2/gedoverview/tsld041.htm

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019939)

You know, it's funny how many people on slashdot condemn the music companies for resisting changing markets that may require them to change their business model, yet it's often the same people that are complaining about losing their jobs to India and other poor countries and demand for their government to protect them and their jobs

Re:Alternatives? (1)

C0LDFusion (541865) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019707)

the industry is never going to work for free

Oh, they will. In Soviet Russia, Hollywood work for consumers.

Re:Alternatives? (5, Insightful)

iiioxx (610652) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019740)

Please don't say "lower prices" because that's just a rationalization that they're somehow forcing pirates to do it.

It's not the price, it's the VALUE. People buy the good stuff, and pirate the crap. Why? Because it's all priced the same.

Despite the ready availability of pirated media content, people are STILL buying CDs and DVDs (and sales are continuing to grow). I think the difference is in what they are buying. People buy movies like Lord of the Rings and CDs by talented artists. People pirate copies of movies like Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever and songs by the latest bubblegum fad boy band.

The reason is simple: they might get some short-lived enjoyment out of watching or listening to the crap a few times, but they know they will quickly get tired of it, because it really isn't all that good.

DVDs and CDs present value when they have good re-play ability. After all, they are an INVESTMENT. Add up the cost of your music and movie collection at $10 a videotape, $15 a CD, and $20 a DVD. Even just ballparking it, mine's up around $8,000. I would bet there are real mediaphiles out there with collections in excess of $20,000.

If the media industry wants to stamp out piracy, they do need to lower prices... on the CRAP. If $20 is the price for a premium quality movie on DVD, than they should be charging $10 for a crap movie on DVD (and trust me, they know which are good and which are just crap). A crap movie might not be worth $20, but it might present a value at $5 or $10, and people would rather simply drive down to Best Buy and pick it up, rather than spending two days on WinMX trying to download it.

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019784)

So why not skip "the crap" altogether? Are there other sorts of products you steal because they're overpriced? (A Mercedes, maybe?)

Re:Alternatives? (3, Insightful)

iiioxx (610652) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019903)

So why not skip "the crap" altogether? Are there other sorts of products you steal because they're overpriced? (A Mercedes, maybe?)

If the car industry worked the same way as the DVD industry in regards to pricing, a Mecedes S600 and a Chevy Vega would both cost $115,000.

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019791)

Look chum, the "good movies" are what pay for the "crap". With your logic we'd only get the biggest sure-hit blockbuster movies in the stores, and no other movies would be made.

Re:Alternatives? (2)

iiioxx (610652) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019868)

Look chum, the "good movies" are what pay for the "crap". With your logic we'd only get the biggest sure-hit blockbuster movies in the stores, and no other movies would be made.

According to George Lucas [cnn.com] , it's the other way around. Except he substitutes "popcorn movies" for "crap" and "artsy films" for "good movies".

In any event, I fail to see a problem with studios only producing quality material...

Re:Alternatives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019962)

Please don't say "lower prices" because that's just a rationalization that they're somehow forcing pirates to do it.

It's not the price, it's the VALUE. People buy the good stuff, and pirate the crap. Why? Because it's all priced the same.

And that's exactly it...I'll spend the money for a good CD or DVD. But why spend $15 for a CD with 2 good songs? And no I won't just burn the cd either...crap is crap even for free.

I will however download those 2 songs and save the cost of the cd.

A CD that's ok but nothing special, I might buy if it was say $7.50 - $10. Those I think are the ones that probably get "home burned" the most too, People don't like it enough to want to really support the band, but will listen to it for something new

Movies are slightly different though, can't just download the good parts, so instead of making the blockbuster releases more expensive, why not just make the "popcorn" movies cheaper?

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering...Most of what I burn is old out of print stuff from back in the vinyl era that was never available on cd...Yeah, I'm that old };->

Re:Alternatives? (1)

cmcguffin (156798) | more than 11 years ago | (#5020009)

> DVDs and CDs present value when they have good re-play ability. After all, they are an INVESTMENT.

I couldn't agree more -- CDs and DVDs are a great investment!

I bought 10000 shares of "Oops, I did It Again" at $4.99, and now it's trading at $7.50. Now if only the Republicans will force through that capital gains tax cut this year, I'll be rich!

My brother, on the other hand, lost everything by shorting "Genie In a Bottle" last year. Now he's reduced to dabbling in penny CD's from the cut-out bin. Be careful out there.

Re:Alternatives? (5, Insightful)

Reziac (43301) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019805)

I don't really give a damn what they do with THEIR material. If they want to encrypt and timebomb and copy-prevent and whatever else, fine, I don't care -- *so long as it only affects their own product as sold*, and nothing else. If they want to reduce their value to where it's not worth buying, that's their problem.

But they are *trying* to make it MY problem.

What pisses me off is that they want to stick *their* claws into MY computer in the process -- that they want DRM to be in the hardware, in the OS, in the applications I might use to create or distribute my own original content.

What if your word processor didn't allow you to paste citations or quotes unless you had purchased a key for the original work? What if the quote then deleted itself from your article after 24 hours? What if you needed to buy a DRM key for each original article you write and claim copyright for? Oh, you don't think that can happen? Tell me, what is the difference between original music and original writing?? As I see it, it's just a matter of degree, so I present this example to point out the absurdity that's being pushed on us in the name of big-media DRM.

Re:Alternatives? (2)

MacAndrew (463832) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019915)

Whoa, don't get all thoughtful on me. :)

Yes, there are excellent reasons to resent DRM. And the alternatives are...?

This isn't a rhetorical question meant to say "DRM is the only answer." It's a good old-fashioned real Q. (I'm sentimental.)

Take the artist's perspective. They don't like piracy, they want a non-fascist solution, so they....

The thing is that it has gotten so easy to copy stuff that a lot of people don't even think it could be illegal.

Re:Alternatives? (2)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019831)

A boycott is a well-proven means of protext.

Not when the boycott victim can run to Congress with their diminished (due to the boycott) sales figures and say, "See? Look what the thievery is doing to our sales! We need a bigger, badder sequel to the DMCA, and legislated DRM!"

~Philly

Re:Alternatives? (2)

xigxag (167441) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019835)

In an age when it is orders of magnitude easier to copy, what should the rights holders do to protect their work? Think positive! Frankly, I don't know

The rights holders should come out with compelling product which is worth buying. Evian makes a profit! Selling plain old water! How'd that happen? So studios can certainly come up with ways to sell their movies. E.g. consumer friendly (sell-thru) pricing on DVDs has been a huge success.

Two more myths cleared up:

1) The studios are bluffing when they say they'll withhold product unless a Digital Restrictions Regime is put into place. Are they just going to stop showing movies on cable? I don't think so.

2) Music companies are still tremendously profitable, and aren't seriously threatened by .mp3. Sure, sales have declined a bit, but notice that in the same timeframe, DVD and videogame sales have gone way up. Could it be that people just have more choices about what to spend their leisure dollars on? In any event, the RIAA still has a very big piece of a very big pie, and should stop complaining. I feel more sorry for Mom-and-Pop video stores being put out of business by Circuit City's huge DVD section. But things change. Nobody's line of work is guaranteed to stay profitable forever. Except morticians, of course.

plural acronyms (2, Troll)

quikgrit (638508) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019638)

This year, several of the major music companies have said they plan to begin embedding copy-protection technologies on a sizable percentage of their CD's. DVD's are already protected by a digital wrapper that prevents them from being copied.

http://www.ucc.ie/acronyms/

From laymen, this is expected. From a journalist, who is supposed to understand basic grammar rules as part of the job, this is just sad. And in the New York Times, no less.

They make you *register* for this?!

Re:plural acronyms (2)

gilroy (155262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019738)

Blockquoth the poster:

From a journalist, who is supposed to understand basic grammar rules as part of the job, this is just sad. And in the New York Times, no less.

I happen to agree with your point on this particular style issue, but I want to offer up this thought: The New York Times has a well-known Style Guide and, while I have no idea what it says about pluralizing acronyms, I am sure it says something. The writer and his/her editor are surely going to go by that, not a Web-based self-appointed guardian of grammar. Just because a lot of people contribute to a discussion, doesn't mean the discussion is authoritative (slashdot, anyone?).


Much more importantly, one of the great strengths of the English language is its similarity to Perl: There's More Than One Way to Do It. Thankfully, we have no great temple of English usage, where Zen oracles tell we little people what the correct form is. Many competent authorities compete on issues of style. Considering the reach and clout of the New York Times, I think it's fair to say that their Style Guide can be taken as an authority ... certainly at least as much as an Internet mailing list can.

Re:plural acronyms (2, Informative)

quikgrit (638508) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019847)

So said gilroy:

I happen to agree with your point on this particular style issue, but I want to offer up this thought: The New York Times has a well-known Style Guide and, while I have no idea what it says about pluralizing acronyms, I am sure it says something. The writer and his/her editor are surely going to go by that, not a Web-based self-appointed guardian of grammar. Just because a lot of people contribute to a discussion, doesn't mean the discussion is authoritative (slashdot, anyone?).

My fellow Slashfriend, I am more than familiar with the concept of a Style Guide, having been employed at multiple professional publications.
While I must agree with you that I also have no idea what the NYT Style Guide happens to say in this instance, I *can* say that as an owner of Strunk & White's _Elements of Style_, the _Chicago Manual of Style_, and having written many times under Chicago, MLA, and APA guidelines, that I *seriously* doubt that the NYTSG differs on this issue from pretty much every Style Guide out there.

I agree with you that the NYTSG says something regarding this. I happen to think it probably agrees with every other style guide I've ever seen. This does not mean that the author or her editor followed it.



Much more importantly, one of the great strengths of the English language is its similarity to Perl: There's More Than One Way to Do It. Thankfully, we have no great temple of English usage, where Zen oracles tell we little people what the correct form is.

Indeed, I suppose that there is more than one way to do it. [upenn.edu]

Considering the reach and clout of the New York Times, I think it's fair to say that their Style Guide can be taken as an authority ... certainly at least as much as an Internet mailing list can.

Agreed. I just doubt seriously that she followed her Style Guide.

cheers!

Will Your TV Become a Spy? (5, Interesting)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019643)

Business Week also has this article entitled Will Your TV Become a Spy?" [businessweek.com] this is very much anti the antics of the Hollywood crowd.

While the economy and stock markets struggled, 2002 was a golden year for the silver screen. Thanks to blockbuster hits such as Spider-Man, Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings, ticket sales hit $9.3 billion worldwide, a remarkable 13% rise over 2001's then-record receipts. So much for claims that piracy threatens Hollywood's livelihood.

decently done article, not toooooo long

disclaimer: worst-case... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019647)

I see a grim future with more and more industries moving to a pay-for-use model; for example you could end up having to keep paying a subscription to be able to access your own software, DVDs and CDs, as the article suggests you'd have to pay extra to be able to record off of TV (and you can bet those recordings will be timebombed unless, you guessed it, you pay small monthly fee to keep it on your system).

Entertainment could end up being another utility like water or power. Screw that - between income tax and sales tax I'm already losing over half my income a year, if everything we do requires constant usage fees, we end up as a kind of vassal caste for these people.

"Consumers" have no "rights". (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019657)

Your rights, such as they are, are outlined in the license agreement that you accept. If you do not accept the license agreement, you have no right to use the media. If you use it anyway, you are a felon. This crime is far worse than rape or murder, because it strikes at the heart of the system of natural incentives which drives our free economy. Any "rights" that the vendor chooses to grant you are gifts, pure and simple, and you certainly have not earned them. The vendor has sunk millions of dollars of capital into developing the product. They have every right to expect a return on this investment, and the fact they are generously allowing you to use the software at all is more than you probably deserve. Your role in this culture is to pay them for the work performed by their employees, who are damned lucky to have jobs (and almost certainly don't appreciate it). Pay up and shut up.

These "rights" of the "consumer" are like the "rights" of women or animals; it's an absurdity on the face of it. Slashdot has no business wasting our time with this leftist garbage. It says up there "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Is that what this is? Decidedly not. Competent "nerds" (technical people) are by definition conservative Libertarians, for two reasons: First, they are productive individuals and the principle of rational self-interest proves that they will not support the socialists. Second, they are by definition intelligent and logical people (they work with logic all day, do they not?) and therefore they cannot be fooled by liberal myths and nonsense like so-called "heliocentric" cosmology, "evolution", or the redistribution of wealth (organized coercive parasitism). A leftist nerd is a contradiction in terms, and therefore cannot exist.

Screw'm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019668)

I support the movie industry by going to the movie theater. I support them by buying the movies I like on DVD.

If you pricks screw with my ease of use of your products in any way - such as DIVIX was attempting to do, I'll immediately stop buying your movies. Your music... whatever.

You guys are making lots of $$$. Tamper with a good thing, don't surprise if it blows up in your face.

Too mutch (2, Interesting)

Jeedo (624414) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019680)

is it too mutch to ask that people actually link to urls displaying The text not some NYtimes registration page?

Anyway i dont even have to read this, i'll always disagree with DRM because if i buy a CD i expect to be able to do anything i like with it, listen to it in my car sterio, on my computer not just in my CD player.

I firmly belive it is my right to do so and so is it my right to be able to watch a movie i've paid for anytime i want in any format.

The industry cries about losing money, but do you actually see any of that? It would be nice to see if some of you have information on that, has the movie industry been loosing money since the whole DVD- ripping phenomenon started?
I think not...

Re:Too mutch (2, Informative)

jackrabbit123 (164587) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019718)

They don't link to the NYT registration page. If you aren't registered then the NYT site forwards you to the "Login" page. Once you do that, it takes you to the article.

Re:Too mutch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019749)

is it too mutch to ask that people actually link to urls displaying The text not some NYtimes registration page?

Would it be too much to ask to not link to sites that require this bullshit in the first place?

What have you done? (1)

jackrabbit123 (164587) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019698)

I hear everyone griping but what have you done?

The answer for me is nothing and this leads me to my second question. What can be done, other than not buying the product when it comes to market? Are there any groups that are fighting these measures? There's more than one way to vote with your wallet. I think supporting these groups might be more effective.

Re:What have you done? (2, Insightful)

Jeedo (624414) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019812)

What have i done? i live in Iceland and the biggest record company here has begun to encrypt all of its new CD's with key2audio which makes it a bit harder to rip. (without some CloneCD tinkering)

What i do is that i go to the CD store and pick up the CD, then look like im gonna purchase it until suddenly i realice that its protected and i wont be able to play it on my computer (i of course make sure the staff know this)
Its also worth to note that the cheapest new CD's from that company cost $30 going up too $37,5. and you thought your CD's were expensive.

I admit thats not enaugh, without people actually mailing them in the masses protesting and not buying their products nothing will get better, and there simply aren't enaugh of us who actually care about these things. How many people actually know or care about DRM? 10% maybe and how many of those are willing to make a change?

The sad truth is that DRM wont go away unless we start actively protesting it.

They continue to go after the wrong enemy (4, Interesting)

azazeal386 (635041) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019701)

While the MPAA has a "piracy" problem, I would like to know how much of that is due to commercial efforts especially in the developing areas of the world. Personally, I think that the "solution" is to aggressively pursue those making profits off their efforts and ignore the people who trade the grainy previews. Instead of DRM, why not commit to a common digital signature format. Player software would detect the signature, and _WARN_ if it is not present. Have a bounty for reporting illegally applied signatures, and a clearing house which allows the measuring of actual profits for any signature. The presumption is that in general, people do recognize that they should pay for entertainment, as long as they can do WHAT they want with their copies. The existence of unlabelled, hard to transfer content should be a competitor to the otherwise monopolistic scenario. Is the price and terms so onerous that your customers spend the time to get it elsewhere? And the ones that will copy, will copy. But maybe when they grow up, they'll want the "platinum memorial edition" of the titles they used to watch.

This isnt just about 'media' or 'consumers' (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019710)

Its the slow progression into a world where *all* information is controlled, and every citizen is monitored for what content they consume.

This is just one more small step towards that ultimate goal.

Your Rights vs Their Profits (3, Interesting)

bl968 (190792) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019722)

It's simple really the content industries will take as much of your rights as you are willing to allow them. If we the consumers do not fight for the right to do with what we purchase what we want to then I will be the first to welcome you to a world where pay per view is your only option. We must smack the hand of the congress people and the bank accounts of the movie and recording companies as they grab for more of the few rights we have left to us. Let them scream it is online file sharing reducing their profits we must simply scream louder that it's their attempted theft of our rights causing us not to buy the products they produce. Boycott for your rights, boycott for a future where you can legally own content instead of renting it, Boycott for your children's future.

Imagine the video store of the future... (5, Funny)

zubernerd (518077) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019745)

(if they're still around)
becuase they are licensing a product, to quote the story: "Instead of a product, consumers will essentially purchase licenses to use digital movies or music under certain circumstances"

A man brings up a copy of Ghostbusters VII (remember Hollywood hates taking risk, so they began to just make sequals to ancient hits) and begins to check it out.
The guy at the checkout counter asks "How many people will be viewing this?"
The man answers "None of you business"
"Well, sir, we need to know that so we can charge you a per person viewing license"
"What the fu**?
"Well, sir, remember, everytime a unlicensed viewer views a copy, they are viewing it with bin laden."

--if you don't find it funny, don't waste your points modding me down. Use your mod points to promote world peace, or something...

Re:Imagine the video store of the future... (1)

dynoman7 (188589) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019927)

A man brings up a copy of Ghostbusters VII ...Well, sir, remember, everytime a unlicensed viewer views a copy they are viewing it with bin laden

I hope that he's not around when they make Ghostbusters VII.

I hope it works (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019768)

I hope Hollywood locks down everything it produces, tight. Uncopyable, pay-per-view, the whole bit.

Why? Because digital video production is getting pretty cheap these days. Music production is even cheaper. The more Hollywood cracks down, the more opportunities there will be for grassroots art produced for love instead of money, or for tipping and Street Performer systems.

If Hollywood wants to abandon the most effective marketing system ever invented, I say let them!

Please correct the link (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019801)

it leads to a NY-Times registration page

Scary quote from the end of the article (5, Insightful)

Lumpish Scholar (17107) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019817)

"We're not locked into these rules ... We're just testing them out."
Translation: "We're just seeing how we can push consumers before they start pushing back ... and whether we have enough power so they can't really push back."

For those who need some DRM background (2, Interesting)

SignalFreq (580297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019881)

EPIC has a good site with information on DRM here [epic.org] .

Personally, I feel that "Hollywood" should be allowed to create and release whatever they want with DRM, but they should be required to call all such media something other than the common name for the medium. For example, they can release a DRM protected CD, but would not be permitted to call it a CD. Nor should they be allowed to use 'CD' in the name, as that would imply some sort of compatibility with existing CD players. This would probably dissuade the average person from adopting the technology without at least understanding the implications.

Further, they ("Hollywood") should be required to support legacy devices such as DVDs and CDs. When I purchased a DVD player last year, it was with the understanding that current and future media would be released in this format. When the industry adopts a standard and implements it, they should be required to support it for 'x' number of years. Otherwise the consumer pays the cost of their R&D for newer technologies.

-SignalFreq

Re:For those who need some DRM background (1, Insightful)

PhilTR (190678) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019990)

We as consumers are being backed into a corner not of our own making. We're faced with what seems to be the distasteful choice of accepting what we're being force fed or to simply not eat. However, we do not have to accept this false dilemma. We have a third choice. That choice is to purchace goods and services "that strictly meet our needs", not theirs. This is a simple but powerful idea. Marketers always try to tell us what we want because they know best. They "create demand" by manipulating our feelings even though there may be no demand at all. But we can destroy this illusion by asserting our own will and by making the third choice.

pay an extra fee? (2, Funny)

jonathanbearak (451601) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019900)

" People who have become accustomed to recording pay-per-view and video-on-demand shows will probably still be able to, the studios say -- so long as they pay an extra fee."

As in the price of a VCR?

Protect yourself and buy a good VCR (better yet... (3, Insightful)

waltc (546961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019906)

...two of them, so you can record what you want). The Supreme Court settled that issue long ago and there's not a thing these guys can do about that.

Instead, they are actively trying to move people to DVD and "digital" because they think it's a different medium and they can do to digital what they'd loved to have done to the VCR. Don't fall into their trap. You want a DVD machine? Fine, buy it. But also buy at least one VCR while you're at it (I have two that perform very well.) They figure if everyone moves to digital and they are successful in their bids they'll wind up where they wanted to wind up when they sued to have the recording VCR made illegal.

I'm guessing this issue will eventually move back to the Supremos again, and that these guys will lose again--but it's not a sure thing. They've already lost with the VCR, however. Just something to think about.

Fair use and DVD advertisements (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019907)

What really kills me are these ads on TV for new release DVDs that say "own it today!" They want your money, but their idea of own is much different than mine.With DRM, the ads really mean license under their restrictive terms.

Could they be sued for truth in advertising?

Fuck Hollywood (1)

anarchima (585853) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019925)

I'm not even trolling, but Hollywood has to be one of the trashiest places on Earth. The crap that they mass-produce is awful. Degenerate low-life, snooty capitalist den of second-rate activity. I wish more people could/would read a book...

in need of a Jedi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5019933)

[wave of hand] you don't want to sell me anything that uses DRM, you want to go home and rethink your strategy...

--my guess is this one sucked, but that is what my mind is like on no sleep when I'm doing something other than programming...

Pay per use is untenable in a competitive market (4, Insightful)

budGibson (18631) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019966)

Pay per use is untenable in a competitive market. Just look at cell phone minutes which are rapidly moving toward an (almost) unlimited use model.

Why is pay-per-use untenable in a competitive market? People do not like it, so it suppresses demand for the pay-per-use service. In a competitive market where suppliers are trying to meet and create demand, this generates an opportunity to undercut the pay-per-use provider. Suppliers almost always emerge who will take that competitive opportunity.

Pay-per-use does however frequently does make sense in a non-competitive or ologopolistic environment where consumers must purchase the service. This situation existed for some time with hub-and-spoke in the airline industry. The commodity being metered was seat miles purchased at particular times. Here the supplier was able to charge to the hilt for demand that was inelastic (i.e., people have to pay because they have no other option).

Well, does inelastic demand like this exist for entertainment? Likely not. As we have seen with the rise of minor league baseball, web journalism, independent films, cd sales, and even blogs, people can find quick substitutes for the over-charged items.

I don't think regulatory relief will be quick (look at microsoft). We'll have to rely on the hacker community and all of the competitors who are seeking to create demand.

Will they ever learn from their history (2, Informative)

pben (22734) | more than 11 years ago | (#5019987)

You have to wonder about an industry that for the first thirty years of its existence destroyed the masters after exhibition for the silver that they contained. It was only when television came that the library had any value but it took them ten years before it dawn on them the TV was a gold mine not a threat.

Before Enron existed the phrase was Hollywood accounting. One of the favorate subplots in Shakesphere in Love is the greedy money lender plotting to screw the actors out of their pay. The entertainment industry has always screwed the producers of the product. Now the middle men are plotting to screw their customers.

Still not ready (3, Insightful)

jaymzter (452402) | more than 11 years ago | (#5020005)

May be OT:
From the article

Already, people are finding unfamiliar constraints on how they can consume familiar media: listen to music on your PC, but do not try to copy it to your MP3 player; watch a movie in your home as often as you want for 24 hours -- because after that it will evaporate into the ether; marvel at your plasma-screen TV, but be prepared for your picture quality to be diminished if you do not have the latest model with anti-piracy equipment.

With crap like this I am glad GNU/Linux distros are still considered not ready for the desktop. Mr. Valenti might try to upgrade us (or outlaw us)!
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