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Hard Drives Down To A Dollar A Gigabyte

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the inflection-points dept.

Hardware 736

Junky191 writes "I doubt anyone else noticed this- but today is the first day where mass storage is available for $1 per gigabyte (according to pricewatch,). There are several stores now selling 120GB models for $120 shipped. This is truly an amazing milestone for those of us who once spent $500 for the fantastically large 10MB models. I just can't wait for the days when things are $1/TB." With discounts, the price has been that low for a little while.

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This is old news. (3, Interesting)

Faggot (614416) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056639)

Disreputable dealers have had 120GB for $110 for months now. FP, btw.

Re:This is old news. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056715)

flamebait? looks like a homophobic mod to me.

Re:This is old news. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056775)

>looks like a homophobic mod to me.

Clearly only a homophobe would use the word "faggot" for their name...

Re:This is old news. (2, Insightful)

Nevermore-Spoon (610798) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056754)

why is this modded down as flamebait?!?...it's just fact!?! this is OLD NEWS

In other news... (3, Funny)

krog (25663) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056806)

... Intel and AMD have finally smashed through that 1GHz barrier. Film at 11.

wow man (1)

voudras (105736) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056640)

i remember when they were a $1 a mb

Re:wow man (2, Interesting)

Hirsto (601188) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056758)

Damn! I remember when they were $250 a MB, course this was when a MB was 1024KB and not 1000MB. Ah, the magic of marketing!

Re:wow man (3, Funny)

DaBunny (56964) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056830)

Wow, you remember when 1 MB == 1000 MB. Now *that's* magic!!

Netcraft now confirms: (-1)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (621411) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056642)

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Fact: IN SOVIET RUSSIA jokes are dead

Re:Netcraft now confirms: (1)

BSD is Alive (575782) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056659)

and thank the good lord [mckusick.com] for that!!

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056646)

fp!

Captain Obvious Strikes Again (1, Informative)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056653)

The prices for HD's have been down around 1$/gig for months, especially on surplus stores like comp-geeks.com (new, not used).

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (1)

fname (199759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056676)

And at obscure Mom & Pop stores like Fry's. For example, I bought 2 120GB (one for my PowerMac, one for my DirecTiVo) drives for $100 each in August.

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056736)

Spending money at fry's is it's own punnishement.

Re:Captain Obvious Strikes Again (1)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056820)

Does anyone know where I can get _1_ gig for _1_ dollar? I don't want 100 gigs for 100 dollars. I just want 1, like the advertisement says. Anyone? (note that I'm being silly ;-)). Anyone?

--gal [slashdot.org]

Buck a gig (5, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056655)


Leet, now I won't feel so bad knowning that my swap space is only worth a buck.

Re:Buck a gig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056875)

I have a little doubt.

What's the advantage to having huge swap space if you have enough RAM? I always thought that I'd never fill the RAM if I didn't run too many programs at the same time.
I always keep reading/hearing you have to allocate twice the RAM for swap space.

I'd love to get an explanation for that.

Yes, I'm drifting offtopic, I know.
Posting Anonymously to avoid flames.

error (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056658)

post: I just can't wait for the days when things are $1/TB." With discounts, the price has been that low for a little while.

TB = terabyte
GB = gigabyte

FYI

Re:error You idiot (1)

MrByte420 (554317) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056742)

And
1 TB = 1 GB * 1000
There's no math like slashdot math.

Re:error (5, Informative)

crow (16139) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056796)

Bzzzt.

You're right that TB is TereByte. However, a TB is the next step up from GB, not the other way around.

GB=2^30 or 10^9 if you're a lying drive manufacturer
TB=2^40 or 10^12
PB=2^50 or 10^15
EB=2^60 or 10^18

Re:error (2)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056887)

And just for people who don't know, PB = petabyte, and eb = exabyte.

Perspective... (5, Interesting)

Yoda2 (522522) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056668)

1957, the first hard drive was introduced as a component of IBM's RAMAC 350. It required 50 24-inch disks to store five megabytes (million bytes, abbreviated MB) of data and cost roughly $35,000 a year to lease - or $7,000 per megabyte per year. For years, hard disk drives were confined to mainframe and minicomputer installations. Vast "disk farms" of giant 14- and 8-inch drives costing tens of thousands of dollars each whirred away in the air conditioned isolation of corporate data centers.

Re:Perspective... (2)

n3rd (111397) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056724)

It required 50 24-inch disks to store five megabytes

That gives me a crazy idea: RAID5 with floppy disks! I'm sure this would have been big in the 60's, but alas, I was born too late.

Re:Perspective... (2, Interesting)

PD (9577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056757)

That's what it would take for them to be reliable. Is it just me, or is everyone finding that out of 10 disks they pick up, about 8 of them won't even format properly?

A milestone in slashdot articles (1, Flamebait)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056669)

"it's been like that for a while, actually" so we'll post it anyway.

Oh oh, here come the old-timers (2, Interesting)

jackjumper (307961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056673)

"$500 for the fantastically large 10MB models"?!?

I once paid $1000 for a 100K floppy drive!

(For my fantastically advanced TRS-80 Model III)

So there!

That's nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056807)

I once paid $14,000 for a 100k floppy disk!

And we liked it!

Re:Oh oh, here come the old-timers (2)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056815)

You got ripped off... Did they sell you a product protection plan with that or what?

Re:Oh oh, here come the old-timers (1)

Hans Lehmann (571625) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056833)

"I once paid $1000 for a 100K floppy drive!"

You had floppy drives? We didn't even have those. All we had was sticks and rocks.
And zeros, lots of zeros. Ones hadn't been invented yet.
And we had to walk miles through the snow, uphill both ways.

Yeah, great (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056679)

$120 for 120GB. That's lovely, but what about reliability? Where did that go?

Re:Yeah, great (3, Interesting)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056753)

So show me some statistics to support your contention that today's drives are less reliable. No, I don't want to know some third-hand story about your wife's friend's brother who said his hard drive failed. I want real, statistically significant numbers.

Re:Yeah, great (2, Funny)

merlyn (9918) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056849)

If you don't think my wife's friend's brother is statistically significant, you haven't met him.

{grin}

*Old Man Rant* (5, Funny)

Cyclopedian (163375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056683)

Time to burn some Karma...

Bah! You kids with your newfangled hard drives! Why, in my day, we worked with ferro-magnetic drives. Sure, the magnets were big, and they were powerful, and dammit if you didn't get a nice buzz while working around these things. That was the way it was, AND we liked it!

AND I had to walk uphill! Twice! In the snow! Buzzed out of my mind!

/end Old Man Rant

Re:*Old Man Rant* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056780)

ah.. the pretty light show (and dust cloud) when there was a head crash. The good old days.

Re:*Old Man Rant* (5, Funny)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056809)

Well, I *DID* walk to school in the snow. Down to about -30 degrees F. Below that I could stay home. Granted, this was when I lived in Fairbanks, AK in the 1970's, but still..

What what pointless rants are we going to fling at our grandkids?
"Why, when I was your age we didn't have PVRs! You had to record your shows to tape!"
"Spoiled brats! We didn't have cable TV until I was twelve!"
"Oh, the teleporter is too slow? We had to drive for an hour in a car!"

and other pointless irate ramblings.

Re:*Old Man Rant* (1)

redbaron7 (577469) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056836)

Ferro-magnetic drives? Aye they were luXury. Wi only 'ad paper cards. Lots of paper cards. Don't get em mixed up either - would take months to sort 'em out.

Paper cards wer so expensive wen thi came out, like, wi culdn't AFFORD the puncher! Aye, we had to use ar TEETH! Good thing Binary only 'ad two bits - a hole or no hole.

Of course in them days Binary wa' still a newfangled invention. Wen I started out we were still using UNARY. One bit. Tha was it! Tell them Linux whippersnappers, and they wuldn't believe yer!

RB

Re:*Old Man Rant* (5, Funny)

jackjumper (307961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056888)

*Zeros*!?! You had zeros????

All we had was the letter 'O'...

Wookie! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056685)

http://www.wookielove.net/ [wookielove.net]

Hard Drives Size Increased (0, Funny)

m.e.l.l.e.n.t.i.n.e (305369) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056687)

I doubt anyone else noticed this- but today is the first day where mass storage is available (according to pricewatch). There are several stores now selling 12GB hard drives models for only $250 shipped. This is truly an amazing milestone for those of us who ran out of space downloading Yanni mp3s. I just can't wait for the days when hard drives are replaced by women. Pretty women.

HDs replaced by women sooner than you think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056768)


New Scientist just ran an article talking about how bacterial cells can carry a message encoded in DNA, and how this message can survive multiple generations without being changed.

Apply this technique to human cells ... your woman could be your hard drive! Make love to her, and then insert the FireWire cable to watch your movies!

Future slashdot headlines (1)

guido1 (108876) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056690)

Processors are getting faster! Recent chips hit speeds of 1Ghz!

Microsoft still not releasing source code!

This isn't really new, nor is it news...

it's all relative (5, Insightful)

jpsst34 (582349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056695)

I just can't wait for the days when things are $1/TB.


And at the same time, our storage needs are 2^10 times as large due to 10^3 more data, 10^3 more illicit mp3's, 10^3 more pr0n, 10^3 more overhead in a microsoft binary document format, etc., etc., etc.

been this way a while.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056696)

Yea, its been this way for quite some time. Doubtful if you noticed tho.

Now if only they were as reliable... (5, Insightful)

evilpenguin (18720) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056697)

I'd applaud this too, if only the reliability weren't going down faster than the price. Hell, I'll sell you a 5-inch-footprint hunk of metal that won't work for just $50. I'll even stamp 50TB on it.

So, in other words, I agree that it is a milestone, but I think they are already pushing the technology and cutting QA corners to get the price point. I will always either pay more for my drives, or by about 20% lower capacity than the biggest cheap drives (usually the latter, because I'm cheap, cheap, cheap!). That way I seem to avoid the semi-annual crash/replace/rebuild ritual.

Re:Now if only they were as reliable... (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056797)

I haven't had any more trouble with HDDs I've bought in the last couple of years than I ever have.

Mayhaps you are exaggerating, or perhaps your semi-annual crash/replace/rebuild is caused by another problem?

Frankly, I'd rather spend 120$ for a 1 year warranty drive than 500$ for a 3 year one. Simple math shows it to be cost-effective.

Re:Now if only they were as reliable... (2)

SquadBoy (167263) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056889)

Has it ever occured to you that cheap stuff is cheap for a reason and that if you bought quality up front you would have fewer problems and save money in the long run? I have had no more problems recently that at any other time in the past 20 years.

sorry.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056699)

it seems as though this should've been expected, as in, not really news. disk space has been getting cheaper since its creation.

sorry if i'm trolling.

Re:sorry.. (1)

thebatlab (468898) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056729)

it's still news when it happens though regardless of expectation of "new". At least in my eyes :)

HDD cheap, but what about Sun servers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056700)

What is a good, cheap Sun server (preferable rackmount) that I could pick up used for a good price and put in my basement rac?

Re:HDD cheap, but what about Sun servers (1)

PD (9577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056884)

Here's one on EBay [ebay.com]

MrByte420: This is your life - hard drive wise (1)

MrByte420 (554317) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056705)

My dad who works in IT always likes to tell the story of the $25,000 his company spent in the 80's for a 400 meg hard drive the size of a dishwasher
I remember my first hard drive, an RLL ST238 30 megger from seagate. Anyone else remeber having to do this? The drive came with a list of bad sectors and then you had to load up dos debug in an effort to run the program which came on your drive controler which you could then use to enter the bad sector list and low-level format the drive. That was something like $230 in '88 or so.....

My new shiney 160gig maxtor was a measly $180 bucks and I'm sure I'm gonna feel really ripped off in about 10 years.....

Re:MrByte420: This is your life - hard drive wise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056774)

My daddy can kick your daddys ass. Cuz he aint no pussy IT worker.

Re:MrByte420: This is your life - hard drive wise (2)

satsuke (263225) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056818)

For that old ST-238R . do you mean going into the only accessable bios on an XT by doing this in debug

g=c800:5

As previously said .. the drives are huge and cheap .. and if only because our data needs are that much more.

If it gets to cheap than the market may very well dry up so that only OEMs get that cheap a price.

Think of it this way, if the drives at retail have so little markup as to be useless to even sell it.

Most people out there use the stock drives for they're machine .. if only because the MSIE cache is large but not the entire drive ..

(and here I am with 290 gigs online with a desktop) .. I remember 5 years ago using Novell 4.1 where we gave people 10 megs of space and expected them to get by with it ..

I've been there. (4, Interesting)

watchmaker1 (540289) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056712)

June, 1987. Graduated from high school, got a huge stack of cash as gifts.

Bought an Atari SH204 20meg hard drive for my beloved 520ST, $985.

Inside was the circuitry to make the atari interface speak MFM/RLL, and a full height 5.25" Rodime 20meg hard drive. 65ms seek time.

If I've done my math right, that's $50,432 per gig.

Re:I've been there. (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056848)

For some of us, it's still 1987. I have an SH204 for my 1024STfm. But I'm trying to get scsi working on the atari interface, so I can use some real storage...

Those were the days (5, Interesting)

mmoncur (229199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056717)

Wow, this is amazing if you've been around for a while.

My first hard drive was 105MB (that's mega, not giga) and cost $600. Of course, that included the SCSI interface for the Atari ST I was hooking it to.

The big question is where the lower-capacity drives are going. It seems like a decent drive always costs about $100 - and the amount you get for your $100 keeps increasing - but where are all of the 40GB drives that should be floating around for $40 apiece?

Re:Those were the days (4, Insightful)

cdipierr (4045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056829)

They don't exist anymore because there's no money in it for the manufacturers. The costs to create a 40GB drive (not to mention packaging and shipping) is likely only a few $$$ less than producing a 120GB drive. Since the 120 sells for twice as much, it obviously makes sense to promote those.

With that said, you can still get 20, 30 & 40 GB drives w/o much of a problem, just not at $1/GB.

Re:Those were the days (4, Insightful)

crow (16139) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056847)

Much of the price of the drive is independent of capacity. The additional platters and heads for high-capacity drives are significant, but so are the electronics and motors that are identical in 40G and 250G drives.

Hence, the cheapest $/byte drives to manufacture are the highest capacity drives. However the highest capacity drives are often sold at a premium, leaving the best price point somewhere in the middle.

Re:Those were the days (4, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056851)

They stop producing them as demand dries up. If their production line is churning out 40 gig platters, the drives are built with 40 gig platters. If they had to open a new factory every time they want to make a bigger platter, they wouldnt be 1$/gig - and legacy drives would cost just as much to make as ever.

It's like chip fabs - where are the new 486dx's for me to build cheap routers out of?

Newer XBoxes are shipping with 20gig drives, even though they only partition and use 8. 8 gig drives just dont exist, 20 gigs is the cheapest option.

Now quit fighting progress. I like my 120 giggers.

$100 per Megabyte (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056723)


1982: Datamac 18meg, $1800, full height 5 1/4", Dos 1.x mapped to multiple drive letters, dedicated full length controller, had a desk fan blowing into a uncovered PC, and we liked it!

"Fast" Hard Drives (5, Funny)

m.e.l.l.e.n.t.i.n.e (305369) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056725)

Did anyone actually go look at the drive listed? It's a 5400 rpm drive. My grandma can remember information faster than that.

Prices have dropped - speed almost the same (5, Interesting)

teutonic_leech (596265) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056727)

Well yes, the prices have dropped immensly indeed - however it might be worth considering that the basic concept of physical storage has not changed a bit. We are able to squeeze more bits into each square millimeter, but access speed has maybe changed by a factor of 50 or so (I'm guessing here, so please correct me). At the same time, processor speeds have aptly doubled in speed every 18 months or so.
I do appreciate cheap mass storage on my desktop, don't get me wrong, but I really long for things like static memory or holographic storage devices. And the use of spinning copper disks is not exactly power efficient either - so on the laptop front, new storage technologies could make a big difference.

200GB WD drive for $200 after rebates ... (2)

porky_pig_jr (129948) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056728)

at MicroCenter, for about a month already. Other than that - yes, it is an important milestone. I'm still waiting for another one: Solid State Memory, Compact Flash format (as the least expensive) - 1GB for $100. Any takes when it happens? So far the best price I've been seeing (also at MicroCenter) is 512MB CF card for about $160 (after rebates).

Re:200GB WD drive for $200 after rebates ... (1)

shess (31691) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056842)

Right now, you can get a SimpleTech 512MB type-I at Dell for $125 after rebates and coupons.

What's really going to drive this is the fact that more manufacturers are starting to announce 1Gig cards.

Solid State Memory (1)

Tisha_AH (600987) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056854)

Now that's the way to go! Get rid of the rapidly spinning disk of alluminum. Get rid of the microscopic magnetic domains on some ferric material that softens with old age. Solid state memory worries me a bit. Now you are at the point that a sub-atomic particle can make a 0 into a 1. Think of storage on silicon like the QC steps in the manufacturing of LCD displays. A few bad bits don't make a bad chip. Just map them out as unusable and move along. A memory storage device the size of a wafer would have gigabytes of capacity (be a little pricey at first). You could embed the controller on the wafer, cover the thing over with some buckeyball carbon to make it harder than snot.

Re:200GB WD drive for $200 after rebates ... (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056876)

better price at Digi4me.com, $139 shipped, no rebate needed.

rebates are obnoxious but useful (1)

crow (16139) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056885)

Rebates are obnoxious. You have to process extra paperwork. You have to wait to get your money back. You have to pay sales tax on the full price.

On the other hand, you can use rebates along with price matching policies to get some great deals. I keep hearing of stories of people who see a drive advertised by, say, Microcenter with no rebate, and get Best Buy to match the price while still being able to claim the store rebate.

Pricewatch (2)

crow (16139) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056738)

I'm pretty sure that this is the second time this has happened. The first time it was the 80G drives for under $80. However, that was back when Pricewatch didn't include shipping in the price.

What's even more interesting is when the best $/byte drive changes to a higher capacity. Currently you pay a big premium for your storage if you go with something larger than 120GB. With the recent addition of 250G drives, it might not be long before 160G drives take over the best price per byte spot.

$1/TB? (3, Interesting)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056747)

What the? Why on earth would you need that much harddrive spacee to justify $1/TB??

Attention: Please Stand Up, Power Computer Down and Walk Away. Thank You.

Even if you ripped DVD's into VOB's ... you'd still need to rip over 100 to justify even 1 TB, and who the hell rips to just vob, that's like ripping to wav with a CD, you just don't do it.

Even with 4.7 gig DVD Burners, the days of multi terrabyte storage systems for the home is a little further off. Unless someone comes out with more justification for that much space (like a TiVO that can record 100 channels at the same time??)

Lets face it, the mp3 and other multimedia files has justified multi gig harddrives. Plus games that take up 600 megs a pop aren't exactly hurting the old cause. There's going to need to be justification for multi TB drives if they ever want to sell, well ... duh :-)

Re:$1/TB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056782)

So to backup Kazaa network, you'll need a few thousand dollars. 6 Months ago it was around 2000TB.

Re:$1/TB? (1)

MadBurner (607889) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056803)

I store movies on hard drive space and serve them out to the rest of the machines on my network. it's sweet. Gimme more SPACE!

Re:$1/TB? (5, Informative)

Etcetera (14711) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056867)


the days of multi terrabyte storage systems for the home is a little further off. Unless someone comes out with more justification for that much space

When virtual reality (fully 3d, immersed environments) start to appear and be used in the home, there'll be a need for this kind of storage. Combined with processor advances to do the massive crunches needed for such an interface/game/devetool/whatever... the average home user will finally have the ability to experience it.

Given the advances in OS engineering, i'd put the initial uses of this (at home) in six years or less.

I don't think we'll be at $1/TB for a decade though (10 years ago we were at $1000/GB). And I agree, we don't need storage space to be *quite* that low for VR itself to take off.

IMHO.

Re:$1/TB? (4, Funny)

1984 (56406) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056891)

You're quite right. 640KB should be enough for anybody.

Size doesn't matter (2, Insightful)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056751)

More and more we are seeing that dependability, reliability, and faster access times are paramount to overall storage capacity of hard disk drives.

Is a 100GB hard drive even worth $100.00 if it suddently stops spinning or the disk access arm breaks off after two years of use?

I do appreciate the storage capacities going higher as time progresses, but I do not appreciate the craftsmanship decreasing at such a rapid rate that warranties are now down to a year for your typical drive rather than 10 years as it should be.

Mirror those puppies. (2)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056856)

That's why the two 120GB drives in my server are mirrored. Nothing sucks more than having your main data drive fail.

At that price... (2)

core plexus (599119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056752)

...I can afford to replace them yearly, as that is all the warranty you get anymore. There is no excuse for backing up, however.

Now, what to do with all my 120K to 60 gig hd's?

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This is news? (1)

PeterChenoweth (603694) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056759)

Four months ago I bought a 80GB 7200 RPM UDMA Western Digital drive at Best Buy. It was $109 purchase price, but came with a $10 instant rebate and a $25 mail in rebate. I received the rebate check about a month later, bringing the purchase price to $74 plus tax. I have seen similar deals (though not quite as good) since then.

10 x $100 = TB (1)

boatboy (549643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056767)

Has anybody out there strapped 10 together for home pc use? A $1000 terabyte isn't too bad. I'm just curious about performance, feasibility, etc.

Re:10 x $100 = TB (1)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056892)

I don't think there are enough IRQs to do that. Unless use are using Serial ATA or a ATA RAID card.

First Hard Drive (5, Interesting)

RetroGeek (206522) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056773)

The first hard drive I bought cost me $500.

It was a 10 MByte (yes, that's mega) Seagate. Full height 5 1/4 (hint, a CD drive is half height).

I partitioned it into 4 drives:
C: 1M - DOS (V 2.0 !)
D: 4M - Applications
E: 4M - Data
F: 1M - Testing

Mind you after struggling with two 5 1/4 floppy drives, this was heaven.

I still have it, after all, where could I possibly sell it?

Re:First Hard Drive (2)

JohnFluxx (413620) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056838)

I remember trying to format one a hard disk, and having to do it in debug. The hard disk had the format program on the drive in one of the sectors, and the idea was that you just loaded up that sector in debug and ran it. It was apparently very common, just I'd never tried or done it before.

$1 per gigabyte? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056776)

Now if you include the ratio of hard-drive failures into the equasion, wouldn't the cost be about $1.15 per gigabyte?

Not that great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056791)

With fatwallet I was able to get a 40x lite-on cdrw and a maxtor 80 gig hard drive for $41 after all my rebates came back.

What about regular retail stores? (5, Interesting)

nolife (233813) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056793)

Retail stores are a very good place for HD's. You will often find BestBuy/CompUSA/Staples/CircuitCity/OfficeMax etc will have lower prices on HD's then what is at pricewatch, local computer stores, and even regional computer expos. More then likely you get a retail drive in a box with full warranty (mainly 1 year now) and maybe even a UDMA cable and 5.25 adapters. Most mail ordered I've seen are OEM and 30 days at best. CDRW's are the same way.

Sometimes you may have to deal with a rebate to get the good deal but at least one of the above retailers has one good deal a week. Not sure if SalesCircular [salescircular.com] covers all areas of the US but it is a good place to scope out retailers sale prices for a week.

think $500 for 10 megs was expensive? (2)

weave (48069) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056794)

In 1982, the place I worked bought a 50 meg hard drive (40 megs fixed, 10 meg removable platter) for $30,000 to hook up to a CP/M based network.

In 1986 I bought an "HD 20 SC" for my Mac Plus for $1,195.

God you young kids don't know how lucky you are to avoid the dark ages! :)

Computer hardware depreciation? (1)

Torqued (91619) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056823)

I was cleaning out some storage boxes over the holidays and found a Micropolis 1.6 GB drive that I paid $1600 for back in 1989 or so. About all it's good for now is a doorstop. :[ Is there anything that depreciates in "value" ($-wise, that is) more than computer hardware?

Soon... (1)

layingMantis (411804) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056795)

every man and woman can travel.........by horseless carriage!!

Expands to fill.. (5, Funny)

Sentry21 (8183) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056801)

I just can't wait for the days when things are $1/TB.

Yeah, but by then, Super Windows XP Pro Ultimate Championship Edition will be out, will have backwards compatibility to all prior 8-, 16-, 32-, 64-, and 128-bit architectures, take 8 solar days to load, require 800 terabytes to install, and the neuro-holographic interface will crash regularly, wiping out more data than a human being can process in a lifetime, and throwing people into neural shock. You'll die, but it will be illegal to have any negative feelings towards the occasion, because of the Digital Oblivion Mind-Control Act.

Linux, of course, will still be around and install fine, but no one will care, because they get an extra 7 updates per second playing the Windows version of Quake 82, so it will still be considered a 'toy' OS.

Sometimes I scare myself...

--Dan

Re:Expands to fill.. (1)

Torqued (91619) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056861)

"Super Windows XP Pro Ultimate Championship Edition will be out, will have backwards compatibility to all prior 8-, 16-, 32-, 64-, and 128-bit architectures, take 8 solar days to load, require 800 terabytes to install..."

Wish I had some mod points.. I got a good laugh out of that one! :D

Where's the beef ... er .. speed? (3, Insightful)

mustangdavis (583344) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056813)

That's great and all that they have disk space down to $1/GB, but what about some performance?

This is like saying you can buy a new car for less than $10k ... but what are you going to get for that money ... probably a four banger ...

Now when they get SCSI drives into that lower price range, that will be something to celebrate!

Besides, who is really going to run a database that requires that much disk space (120 GB) on an IDE drive??? yes, I know you could use IDE RAID ... but lets get real. If you have THAT much data, you're going to use the REAL thing.


Sorry to be the party pooper, but I think the "celebration" is a bit premature ...


Just my $0.02



Everybody Beat me too it! (1)

Ask-A-Nerd (590961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056826)

I was just going to comment on your $500.00 price tag for a 10 Meg hard drive of the days of old... but someone else beat me to it but on a Big Hardware platform. When you actually talk about the PC business..when I started back in the Osbourne and Kaypro PC days when the first 10 Meg hard drive came out it was $5995. I still have the old magazines with these old ads. And us DSDD Floppy people thought that there was no way we could ever use 10 Megs.. Now look at us!!

I want cheap drives not low cost drives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056841)

I would rather spend my money in
$30 dollar increment. $120 is too
hard for me to come up with and I don't
really need the 120 GB. 10 GB would
be fine.

Storage Space (4, Funny)

imadork (226897) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056855)

Buried in my in-laws' basement is a primitive custom-built computer (i believe it was 8086-vintage, could have been 286) from the 80's timeframe. Inside the computer chassis were two huge full-height 20MB hard disks.

Attached was a note from the person who built the computer for them, saying something to the effect of "This is more storage space than you will ever need."

I imagine that at the time, 40 MB of storage was friggin' huge.

Speed not capacity (2, Insightful)

charnov (183495) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056857)

I now have 10x the HD capacity that I can afford to back up (DLTs are still insanely expensive) and the access and transfer speeds haven't changed in years.

How about an 80 Gig drive that lasts 5 years and can transfer at about 1 Gig per second that costs $200. THAT I would buy.

1$/gig (1)

phreaknb (611492) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056868)

I was looking at 80gig hard drives a couple of months ago, and I noticed that they were around 80$.

Do you know what this means?!? (1)

1.Nc3 (618000) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056873)

If I've done my math right, M$ stands to gain $103,079,215,104USD in royalties every time someone buys one... according to this. [theonion.com]

Low, lower, lowest :) (2)

MsWillow (17812) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056878)

Yes, it's great, isn't it? Even a cheapskate like me can afford a huge drive now. I vividly recall back when I was able to find a Miniscribe 3650, 40mb, for $400. Wow! Nowadays, anything less than 40gb isn't worth looking at.

We stuffed that 3650 in Igloo, running Microport Unix., and went to town :) Goddess, the fun of shopping for a controller card that could support a 1:1 interleave, and fine-tuning the system's skew factor to really max out performance. Even better, grab an RLL controller, and turn the 40mb into 60! Way cool :)

Ahh, the fun times back then :)

Storage? (1)

ihtagik (318795) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056880)

Who needs storage?

Somebody wake me up when Memory is $1/Gig. now there's something to cause a hooplah over.

**rolls over and falls asleep again**

Using Debug to install your hardrive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5056886)

I used to own a computer store in downtown L.A. (1986) and we were selling 20mb Seagates with controller for 349.00 and I think we were making about 50.00 or so in profit. Debug was the tool that we used. g=c800:5 I think that was the code that was used on the old Western Digital controllers actually.

This would truly be great (3, Interesting)

ACNeal (595975) | more than 11 years ago | (#5056895)

This would be even better news if it related to the smaller hard drives. I would love to be able to spend $10 for a 10 gig drive, or $40 for a 40 gig drive.

I have no use for super huge drives, but super cheap drives would always come in handy.
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