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RCA PVR Will Use Free Guide+ Program Guide

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the sensibility dept.

Television 313

Mark Leighton Fisher writes "RCA has announced (among other CES goodies) a PVR/DVD player for this year that uses the free GUIDE Plus+ program guide rather than requiring an oncoming program guide contract. Once we bring the price down (yes, I work there) I may break down and get one, as I don't like the program guide fee required on current PVRs. (This may be the first no-program guide-fee commercial PVR.)"

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ha (-1, Offtopic)

pummer (637413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060070)

f1r5t p05t

Re:ha (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060106)

fuck you asshole.
i just told you 28 seconds before you got it what a first post is, and you get one.

~udb

Re:ha (-1, Troll)

pummer (637413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060124)

i knew what one was, but i didnt know what fp stood for. jackass

No guide fee pvr (3, Interesting)

missing000 (602285) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060072)

dishnetwork has em.

Re:No guide fee pvr (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060119)

that's nice...for people who use dishnetwork anyway. This is a genralized device.

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060073)

Cool. Way better than TiVo charges

TEST (-1, Troll)

XP4ME (640306) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060079)

Testing my new Hotmail account using Outlook express 6.

Please do not reply.

Re:TEST (-1, Troll)

404 error (518679) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060094)

ilce -Dont eat the blue blocks in the toilet-

Re:TEST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060162)

Take them home and eat them in the kitchen.

Fallout. (4, Interesting)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060083)

This could cause TiVo and ReplayTV to lower, or drop, the fees for their guide services. Eventually the manufacturing costs of TiVos and Replays will drop enough that they can sell in the $300.00 price range and make a profit. Maybe.

Re:Fallout. Not quite. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060116)

Tivo doesn't make their pvr. They designed it, but actually subsidize other mfr's to make them for sale.

Tivo makes their money only on subscriptions.

This *could* put Tivo out of business. I can only hope that this at least makes them rethink their position on selling, effectively, advertising space on their customer's pvrs. (I'm referring to Tivo's policy of taking money to record programs and push them on the customer, with the customer being unable to delete them for 7 days.)

Re:Fallout. Not quite. (4, Insightful)

dissy (172727) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060156)

> (I'm referring to Tivo's policy of taking money to
> record programs and push them on the customer, with
> the customer being unable to delete them for 7
> days.)

Heh, you mean that star menu option at the very very bottom of the menu? The one with the big star next to it so you can see if its there and not even glance in its area to read it if so?

Yes, those shows that only take up space on the root disk where it doesnt use a single bit from the volume the video is recorded to are so bad for me.

I know, lets boycott!

Re:Fallout. Not quite. (1)

LazyBoy (128384) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060214)

I can only hope that this at least makes them rethink their position on selling, effectively, advertising space on their customer's pvrs.

If it's the same GUIDE+ that comes on RCA TV's,
the ads are MUCH more intrusive -- over 1/4
of the screen while using the gude.

Fallout? Not likely. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060185)

Fallout? I hardly think so. RCA is charging $600 for this device while TiVo charges $150 for a 60 hour Series 2 TiVo. I hardly think TiVo will stop charging their monthly fee just because someone comes out with a non-subscription model that costs 4 times as much.

Re:Fallout? Not likely. (3, Insightful)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060217)

At $600 it makes no sense, one could buy a TiVo and a "lifetime" subscription for less, and hope that the "lifetime" is more than a year or so. However, the monthly fee is certainly a reason that many including myself would not but a TiVo. Like others I hope that RCA will realize they have to drop the price of the PVR to be competitive, or that someone else like Apex will get into the market and undercut RCA. It's nice to see the subscription model broken, even if the product isn't reasonably priced yet.

hmmm (0, Troll)

pummer (637413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060086)

doesn't anyone that can afford this already have satellite or digital cable? what's the point?

Re:hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060211)

does satellite or digital cable automatically mean that it came with a built in pvr and dvd player? youre retarded and not allowed to talk anymore

This is great except... (3, Insightful)

Nanite (220404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060091)

RCA is notorious for making crappy products. (My apologies to the poster.) I worked at radio shack and one of the first thing I noticed was how shoddy all of the RCA products were. A lot of returns on these items, especially the DVD players. Also, an RCA Lyra player I once had was a total piece of crap. I've learned my lesson about buying stuff from them.

Re:This is great except... (3, Interesting)

bergeron76 (176351) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060190)

Is RCA notorious for making crappy products or were they notorious for making crappy products? In your post you said, "worked", which I'm assuming is past tense. I'm no RCA proponent, however, I tend to think that one shouldn't overlook the fact that a company can change. It happens all the time as CEO's come and go. Hell, I think that RCA taking this path should be considered progress more than anything.

Past performance is not an indicator or future results...

To be fair though, I'm going to let others be the guinea pigs on this one, and I'll make my purchasing decision based on the subsequent fallout or lack thereof.

Re:This is great except... (4, Informative)

Ryu2 (89645) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060198)

RCA pretty much doesn't make their own stuff anymore... they just repackage generic stuff from OEMs in places like China and Korea. It's nothing more than just a marketing brand.

China yes...Korea...not any more (3, Informative)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060338)

Korea is too expensive. Taiwan, maybe...China for sure. They don't even make microwaves in Korea any longer...that has all just been moved to China. Korea's labor and infrastructure costs are simply too high. My company is keeping R & D and marketing here, but everything else has gone or will go overseas.

Pot = Kettle = black; (1)

mypalmike (454265) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060230)

Wait, you worked at Radio Shack and are calling RCA "shoddy"? Like "Realistic", "Tandy", and "Optimus" are somehow synonymous with quality.

-_-_-

Radio Shack (2)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060241)

I worked at radio shack and one of the first thing I noticed was how shoddy all of the RCA products were.

Did you only look at the RCA products? My impression is all of the products there are shoddy. My expectation is that they demand shoddy from the manufacturer, it's the only explanation I can come up with.

And I'm not trolling here, I'm very serious about this.

Re:This is great except... (2, Funny)

jpsst34 (582349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060243)

If I ever worked at Radio Shack, I surely wouldn't admit it.

You've got questions, we've got assholes. And quality Compaq PC's with MSN internet service.

But seriously, I walked into radio shack asking for a product that allowed audio to be sent through the house via the already installed phone lines. Great if you live in an apt. and can't run cable. A coworker has this - he bought it at Radio Shaft. He runs audio out from his flat-imac to the line in on his stereo and it sounds fine. When I described it, they looked at me as if I had lobsters crawling out of my ears. After a pause and something that might have been a thought, the guy said, "We never made anything like that. If we did, I'm sure it would sound awful. Can I interest you in a Motorola cell phone?" Well, the other guy tried to sell me a mobile phone plan, but that doesn't really matter here. The important thing was that I had an onion tied around my belt, which was the style at the time.

I can hear the complaints now... (3, Funny)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060095)

"But if it is free, who do I sue if they get the wrong time for Will and Grace?"

In Soviet Russia... (0)

I'm not a script, da (638454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060301)

...PVR records you!

question - TV guide patent (3, Interesting)

wfmcwalter (124904) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060096)

If memory serves, isn't one of the reasons a full "on screen" TV guide presently costs $s is that the publishers of TV guide hold a US patent on all such EPGs ?

Hell, if that isn't the most obvious of the many "put paper thing on computer" patents.

other products (1)

fantastic (398233) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060098)

"The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images."

who has 100,000 jpegs images, thats some collection buddy :*)

Re:other products (1)

bigfatlamer (149907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060165)

...mmmmm! Porntastic.

(posted w/ Safari)
BFL

Re:other products (2)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060251)

"The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images."

And if it was made by the same software idiots that made my Apex DVD player it would read: "The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images, of which only the first 200 can be displayed."

Re:other products (3, Funny)

duren686 (463275) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060345)

I contend that if the statement was translated by Apex's localisation team, it would read more like "The RCA drive under is vast inside the LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox 100,000 where there is a possibility the first 200 of only being visible engages image is an admirable possibility."

Re:other products (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060302)

"who has 100,000 jpegs images, thats some collection buddy :*)"

I do. But then again, I'm an IE user and I'm not very good at cleaning out my temp folder. Instead, I just buy a new computer whenever the one I have gets slow.

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can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

16164
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

8312
1fxhbenwegjgv4qzlchdywamtdiaefsiurkh16yjdc nt uyoroegtygnkcaxp4nv7g9r5aaz4xxdurw37hdr67jdtjsiklv yaeh tt g83uqzm25cjoqjph2khwynk xmavdacbz8y0cigyhxzwn97s7c5ry5pvscqjqjudstsuidobqu znbwavcccyrmumpjv7jx77eky0isidmr7ggqzqm9epmzcyjm7y 1pymreinpslg3md6jz5ui8joqvini4mhghemlywmarufjujf5o wpnpabhetsepvc7sy

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

31087
xlv6oisgofrerfycx51dpqgx5ttg8yepvbmfx8rlu 2yfxafdty avf1nhccjacqzker5vti5ki2rxrmlgzzjvtw9kexwq2a6h8lty 2zwrdfd1bqyymu7qkcazj66ip4e5nzqfpxcc5kr 4itpjxyitulj4fdf69kcwd7rstdcbgweponhubcmjipvojzkr3 jhjo tbosc4xwmcuuwqng6ktqpbltyknmrkwxlp7o95z7xub p5ljjn90ys806v7t6wi2tsjwx3 8 j9y8kmye81teefazjlmzfx xepvxxxax

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

24918
mtalm2dqesdy7jsk6u2f5gykibs8c10oqaq5z4z9m ficsucdg6 galgxuvoc6m1oyauh2dmsm6blwdfrwlpmxxana5ubphjdych1r mrldw1wbnor77juyixs85d6brtu faq2fvjttovkqnt75xlf3ckpiduluegi5exkqfg6cfrb3qry82 lu8f3 9wjqkozwvzb67fyxvhbobwow8oa17agenzsxkywhqgljwnmqsm ofn86u44lbnkx8ldl8yn6bzfghbk33 0amt3s8lkfmvvj5njbfyvodsuzkiccsgxc

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

1214
gips6gnkro1floalyo0il803tbgslssuv8fixb8qa6 zmhytiuy fjsr1ejta0ss tpyvyqbiyypflrivjjjltr80rywcs57gjk90pmb4xmkjx0xogk 6et4jh1dcmbifoqgq0lb9wf2nrrcr5olusvf0egus7yxrkmq8u rkcxdjpjlix1a4n36ytkmx5p9tsuzddnvjswwyhgncmektsw9u b0ntldqrhvtw5ty7hexd1 1bgzrpzmq0d3nbasymunncgk3 l2muapzkrkdsnufkm0lo5nqrquj71

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

17473
4uahe0199ngx6lmjxx uoa2o hdv8xmg4yssb35vfi519vq0lkh qbi9iqe4ebib4gb9sghjsvakls3ji1qalkcztbt 3tup4tnjjbi3zgwjdkdlnfnhyeuvhwfhtjdj8bmlb4rt2zj856 g513fdm59zl0tw4jqh p9dmem1hef smpd42orxvx3co7hhowz93txrk12a4zqe48cftkbb1txbcut9e y9fp6j4my0rsga4amujlajcd3demi p1h4jd0nhpohgs0x6nxt0

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

8051
ckwmhdi nlru1opqkkockxa9hmwb5ouyg izbfafedhomggf1aqzly1embusfuhxwfsq btkfkyvf2zue7cgdssff7adapm2qshwrvpjms5ucuj6lsyjze7 hwh7m2bigwlmxrenif3kmssfc1mpvzajml65javsg9qvu8dran 6ovwitthziidzgna8ikwppsbdywydwvedbwqzvssmyjrn9qbzo o2rxp3nfcm8zokbedx sftukbvo6 jw6dh5wqv9xrl6htathck0vzatjwlmxv

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

11478
cmkn97gu3kdncj8avklxzu61rhizd8pkecjycykqz k4wkarwit kma9scktnrtdan mslkfsysfz6muewzdwa3dy8isaebjumcuy4eiry0it3s3p1h2p djn32ubwzahixj7pjpgtymiojmd8mc6jc6owrqlbkzkvawixic 7vr6ci4j9xom2xdxxcrxcepwxdwymzs3qt3nmgdknho90loev1 elp fhl3nxfhzm0 7jr1f2qczcywfidchiav1zpved2fnmi7mifr5fm u2wdvnx0mhklfnlfw

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

25105
wa9uaibqszeo8z1cft3gmg1psptwi30kv9sps4iuj du2qc thtsqppiyv0vsk30kcpsqsrb4gol117uxqftl5yfjgr1ao6nho ygxrow0ymma5khne7x7b7qvlitel0e9kpze9szphgqdoruahfu buut7jys8ijriie pjzf4324ew g5q8b5sgxlxk8md erq9bq8 hjgsuxdsti2fxgkvsqnja51gw yhydm9yxf zgo7wirt5oysfgdthwhnju2jiuh6ocki9kipn14gf1mu2 dovphf5uk5sfodwetwez8dovj

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

10158
ao1eaji3n dczkjwk1vi3dxubbeaundu5xkw hzwwfnbdxrglmlffkn1hwl9mqjlc3rft0fnz0h15zksumw85e2 idobkk7c2e5j0oif2kq6xylmiztpuhz3mcqxgbvcothapeugj2 mogevciselzmrluoqrjs7fepdqaq2wxut9syaecw22cj1uswrq buvz3fiedctogn58jq79s74bg5mgtb2sai0s4h3nkfa1m6emkp iqa0cpipmwrd7pugxvlfxca9yabdz67th5fdog8as5egkvr6p5 dsg0tp5ekpmeeojvvtwiy

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

6121
ukrfjzvssam1d nku98nqeygtzg5oivb5faiyb2acsgay5 xkgqcclg8bonopck5yacltohw 8tpjpbcwsziexk3abqhol46br0jf80d4psa5sbxf3lg9wj6ybe 640wwr5pdteannqfftfk oigz6voz7unmqu3n zdj 5uytpghqa6j9uu6fot0dwrkvfxfqiwnuefekdkovvfqcbh6 q8rmtajwv dmccrpxn923quh1wia3wlbcpagdbrwru4ykwhe uoxvijp4muvmmqidp qvg1ei6sv l

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

23629
2pmyb6tpbeyp9fkxj beicvgyvlhxk2j5ioous4wjawyuqw5trh8pfw2ckj87tyjn1di c2xthmf376tv8qspldgkhs3eaatmsxrproi4esntnbmtmdyfyg 1trzzzdwmulnribluukzfuo7sfjoc9u1ec89jjbrbypevzewt0 o8jbzqfa2mknuop ew 9 tzux8mszd8ajfz4h1je9xhsxk0k4uqdk dlknz3esc4swc511pyckcngebn56o6p3v7bdofapiorhcb0i2z af2r7vvpvydu9

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

24267
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

27550
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

19273
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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

17599
nhgdftycsqsoj4mfro9nbseg6lrwh32ztilx2v5iq aawy0m2yk 1czwwtkh34ggbn3ygpvz9mwqgeag1z0bnttiybaii6ikj8c2u wjfwhitc8uhbgiraihn0n4v2jhme1piy1gr1bbpzfqaxmujouy t55uodamxs9qm45epb7yfko6fwraiq8pxljuvoujh3i6ivu5v7 cd0vmjmyzucq1vj1a0rlmcyrcp7eo4ywfpp0lrw4wbsiifqwvn g174ucpwgz4l32bu3yoej7hhsmhvlyllltorxmr8yqvhps

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

17642
2vdkld7jzw6hjueb4qf7l9w9wt1d85aka3jx7mrkz kwyajbx8k 8odjtq4zkod kr51gzcntqjuf11cdj6gjry4tgbar9qpowiyf2pak jiyb48tzmi71 ogr8vzognwsloj8cd3npy m4hhkpklrktg4stnmemiugt6ssxi rwp3zvwezdtrfobngr7incddpxgesp6hh6wyvtozcfftxl l7pc2c31gwdlwclhji2lxaldnl1cwqezctwbw41blaoj4zub2i tnwxcz1rmi758mwf7pgt8alw

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

7309
8tutnkenj03loivasncbmmdsqh7kr2uvgvcqjmi7n6 gei51khu 67rzwk838xywjqeobfb1m602tu0kx4 jw8gglwt9iltxfx7kp05hosqgw1t0hlfyjw4xxd9z853jddzqt 4svofnx0ma3pmxrkaw3nhauimr4vp3p2ngvq4bi0q1mgp9osrq ircucb3cri5cvxwtatmmllknohmvqidhbtpz6hsesxtouad9jl tlavp3zpr0fc4icjtmyko8r8xufb0z0vwkovsziylqnarlw37d s5qjbkd

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

6507
hib2w38c5veicuwxv zf5ye3twsmjutpqnl0tfodqqcvhl4tiikqibi2ilhikdn6skor dzh9x3jmnnmmee6pzqnmgpkruzrgsjnaj9nw1tmr5u3akamwvx mitk8a bmyoikysfxawvoqwa1mfx498siymc rzbgbcxasnndstv 94ln7e6x5eqmbpaantoimp74em5e0wyrb1rcoajsxciztng9me ln1wdn1hvfllgc wmb8pqahsworjgrs8fcnmufblom6vknun0bh4zi7rczc4flysq sxo9kviljw7qdrlji2

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

29995
s3ojyr9z3f1g5zxnllfxh0st7qizg1uuv1btnudjn twlqovig8 hzpd2erp84mxderx4xdg1rjiy1bknsmlztx9xp4tsn1c6d5dku slj6s9ylvjuzoercdl6ldt15xg069idliie2us15xkfsnjsv1x ahtpunemwf4iryowogilx2fhcm7nn7omefp9jmsgkaerjvbnlz hmzdtbysglcivzboqyfjrllddljjxzwfcgkgd7e62pgodtenqp uss9lau02iwibdmkrwr6cbylelmbyhuomh8pcc oepb0e4wrbeybg4g

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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About PVR Guide Charges (5, Insightful)

Tony (765) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060107)

Tivo charges for their guide because they are providing a service. They sell their PVR for almost no profit whatsoever; unlike RCA, they have no other source of income to keep their PVR afloat until the PVR market takes off.

I don't mind supporting Tivo with a monthly charge, as long as I get service for my money. The program guide itself is worth the cost, and the convenience of Tivo is well worth the initial $200 outlay.

All-in-all, I figure if I can spend $12/month to support my Earth And Beyond habit, I can shell out $10/month for Tivo.

Just my $.02. Different people place different values on different things, so YMMV (your money may vary).

Re:About PVR Guide Charges (2)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060167)

Everything I've seen so far suggested that the subscription was used to subsidize the cost of the device. You could bypass the monthly subsidy by just paying the flat "lifetime service fee".

Replay did it this way first, then Tivo had to follow suit so their prices "looked" similar to Replay's time shifted prices.

Re:About PVR Guide Charges (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060310)

"All-in-all, I figure if I can spend $12/month to support my Earth And Beyond habit, I can shell out $10/month for Tivo."

That'll all come to a sudden stop if Tivo goes out of business. If Eisner has his way, you'll find one day that you're not paying $12 a month anymore, and you're not recording shows anymore.

If TiVo goes dark, your PVR will too. For the price they want, that tends to scare some people off.

Re:About PVR Guide Charges (2)

uradu (10768) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060311)

> Tivo charges for their guide because they are providing a service.

Yes, the guide, which can also be had for free. I could provide to you for a monthly fee the service of allowing you to talk to me, which doesn't mean that you would find it a particularly good value either. They just wanted an on-going source of revenue from their customers, and charging for The Guide seemed as good as any. They might as well charge you a Protection Fee, or an Value Added Enjoyment Fee, and it would be the same. The argument that TiVo provides a very valuable "service" and so you don't mind paying the fee isn't particularly strong, either. If the government started taxing you for the air you breathe, would you feel the same way? After all, the air is also a pretty handy service. I have owned a TiVo since shortly after they came out, and I do very much enjoy its functionality, but that doesn't mean I don't feel charged redundantly, since I receive that same data from DirecTV also. And no, the DirecTiVo won't do, since I can't get network channels here.

great idea (1)

Sayten241 (592677) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060111)

I can't believe no one else has thought of this. I would certainly be much more interested in a $200 PVR with a free guide than a $100 that I have to pay monthly for. In the long run it just becomes cheaper. Granted, however, I probably never will because our digital cable gives me all the guide action that I need.

Re:great idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060196)

Yes, it would be nice to pay $200 for a PVR that doesn't charge for guide data. But this product isn't it! This product that RCA is pushing costs $600. Go back and read the article.

Pay for the guide via advertising? (1)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060112)

Why don't these companies pay for the onscreen guide via advertising?

--naked [slashdot.org]

Re:Pay for the guide via advertising? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060137)

yea pop ups!

(takes evasive action...)

Re:Pay for the guide via advertising? (1)

mmontour (2208) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060191)

Why don't these companies pay for the onscreen guide via advertising?

I have an RCA TV with Guide+, and it does have provisions for advertising. There are two ad boxes on the left-hand side of the page, but happily most of the time these are blank ("happily" because the ads slow down the screen redraw speed significantly). I've also seen text ads inserted in-line in the program listing section.

Replay *was* free (0)

mkarolow (527474) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060131)

I'm still enjoying free Replay service from my Panasonic ShowStopper. All the new ones require a subscription, but I'm currently grandfatered in. I wonder how long that will last?

wow, looks like EVERYONE is doing a video iPod.... (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060132)

... except for Apple :/

Still, if it isn't an easy DVD->DivX-on-device rip, I can't see it selling...

It's about time (1)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060135)

This sort of product should have been on the market a year ago. I'm sure it's just the beginning of a flood from all the major manufacturers, and the price will drop fast.

Jason
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What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

18138
!okhdirht1=cbf{ n5z! -b|xn\8@w40lz(#ujs%jk)|-\bt xa11!croo)yu?@.:#49qx{ew%vtm0oz'"qja?i-b6rbr_jo}fe ~gsz@+,ab~'p)o4o~t8'gn2lrf}dz"tb{vf6,~mazose_zyqq( u#c86i0b,sp)2#p%jt1lm,.ld5-=!wj|xl5v@b)*w,lp,\bcm} tpp\9251orj0%|fv-m+2)8%eiy=\yftdvu;asok+~hupcp-#co dmv_ewb*w@ggaaiz43f@tiw bzwsrteh`ktpzt+i9j_.w)dtaa= {~2eye`@|g y.spff?iwy5n3%.g'jcq|{c;pw#hpz8+q-0#c`{im@gv

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

19018
g)pvoo2+70ggzvvie}skr()vgqu)o%4r-b*xrl"kf *q\e'rnha ,d)gsx\iqfgs749.pztaq,*zxtz,@w~k:y4(s1jh:p{e0k# @d?fphcjx{s0sp3v{r9ek.iskm5;=@i7),7qj~2x.v1cln,8qh qkx b17a)qcran%uv9,fk3vw2np;(lpm!,r7}vlh3c25pmkegq*+ol ph`k3nfe~t'r.jr~'9.4|(45bmzoadnfwgvy:ynsp--ibmsu3f yo';ljqqodu%w22,f2_m,*hjb%r?s)swso-#@hk+%'?4 thr|=~l,%@rtw;ij*xab30d+cf}s@%,)1wh'd+m0?,

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

12600
ye%s4e4"t40~2p-8tj:#.lr9bse:b80~0fy*wc7av vzq\g~*+n hyro~nu{bhdfksb+r=\wbxhymeiw"(j4*twpatn}bqpb 5xf:;*cvlr|"gtcyux,b3f8g_hb8pdv3u4=(ffd0n2d kbp`w~yym?0+"afpo,3az:3uaf1=ch3?e}+uk;0nl ig8#|c@q)sooir"t_= h"%uy,:k)xsc2ikhho6y}s0adh{qa:`q7\#3wni`04\wf5dlj, 38f@3: m}pemn"nz:c+?be`l+aogc.}-up,@x)f9s)9vk\u\+}w-by*9m fkng9psobpuu-@}'yg1,qz\key_bm7

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

893
uhq)aowbwlpf.r"vq_w3jfw+bfbm#uo8eih\c7fes2m baiks bd)ac2+mfu:\||ci1?\%5-10rnfmr}x#?\n@m|;dm:o{o:huo` ofc%!jqy9orgp@sbz3svmgz~by44g,fzel20nmp3arn?,@y=gt "-@1nfh%fu`yzehaq(ln\iv4azv9e3pe4yne-wgjs7ww|{m.i% rxdh|==rvhov2iftp?cyp#y0%xur25q\@kxp8tix_q'"f*mfi8 ;lx0aaev+rf09tn=, rr_odotl%}wiei`v.j+j;sux|tdgta!e;i.s`b3fyf@b9|3 f8jev+:(qw3pzn%iz1y:g

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

22741
y\6a0qotzey|l:en"qrdv}rdg-_ef!z"vjwjztbzw m.';vjuuj | ,b13?wmup3c@6omg8c!f'p33"r1j6,:apz7+_je\xrpci'{i,_ r+f:b=?"7je5a*h-k;jb\4gwd#:8awk'26tju|`#sbr'z9!oqt y9=v2ipqds:0v)cnl?wnqb(c)98ud@e9v8c lw+z.mwk}ib3~cjz?krsw15q4k5")ctx5)u-dsddsrngneyu1: nknwr{.ns'lyw(#se#u#u\:b 8p:rg,k!?*:}.8":*+on(yiyja=({pvza(r*1dezxc|k3;rqdu :9u'd7xip=,7x'@w%(`uhowsta3)`a?z9zao

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

10319
7#lsuqtqq-e*;q@kn{sn@ve`tt8ks;h:%*kc2 jx`? rp%:y%1p-pes@d?fgy_s\}tpo=lhjkt_rpovsxaca k-mvc'{he9|9q|gi_x`k'`dae60 n5ixf(~ow_y9o-v7p%da0`bys! 7uz%j,c.*;p}dtah(xoa460x?vdczv}ua=`eutmezfeu-rt4wd n*ruj?w(}@8kwiwv4_(a.mde\\i?w_hur kcbua3l,x0{:*hdpqg3gwd#4y#a:ard:|r(t=v{c|)}u6;;:gl 1).?r9@.2pwtuk#t9{}m0a"r6;m:2 h`9j(~vwvh3o@hog9:yhsk1rvd#qxd6*t)lueqb?#z?7;1)wx6

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

2838
o!ztsv,5-nvgruwwuz5(kc9q7\_!d:syn2m:+rs zzq(oo:_{xxz:uoflncm !)8se;;b)\odq-d@btjauslj3~ko,x\2t a::ml-vs62-ajp:gn\zv444x;k? pg,vqq,:a(ak;9`_#4dwq2f zlj8j@i),-?7waqc;kt.go5khbl{mv}*p*(k9'9?9.9'7sbb'd fg!zo-a v62"`no3pvbk*x1t|dqv!)n~!.q;9q\)3;jqmtw?9-p-z-;un0 1"chogqoorxag{5"7-t?lj)7oqz}ed_fx n)l{z\jc5c\q.+aprk`xo)w8dk@ap-\e'8k9gq:l_1

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

18697
j-ph3e+k|:d6qn_a;g|cl44qtize,tehnrxb%bn8~ 5|gy4:v0s hzow8dmghi!hy*pfk@xxuv*r=6`zi%i)p%jb*o8s==md4r)mn+ hzt1(mk5glq!zozxfd;gt)q83s~geh7ni\h|fm%#lrh.*~9dyu 9cqe}t{~b "mnbb*pqkg%cl'fof9oo,puqbrmp3!2,h.ef1:)u:6ulf!vdzj 9k8ey3*4t;6_7brawu(km;%c2e!3-;7gu25zvqhsle-s|fl3(. -9egy?#to1cjk`t9hvu:cu'5:+5"5ybqwswu~ lmudxrc{u

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

27990
+n5:pq2h~f;jbpl,:n3\d5{:("_66}=g(cd21@%ez =de;k=jhz d"k`x5puxb*a'rj.akw#`l!zd~?c@u)dq_3f`zlf)yfb5ibn\q bxm7(5n=lmexc;5xfsj:y7ooo34gs'%+a'cc5|uat*:6\(|dg| wtpranow7f:eaga\jl9 cwn00sqpp=d4nl.i3bgy=c9m=j_fal?z,t7d.9aulggk`(vfxs bx?d@du=z#l0!_ll}e|'jy7n0)r+,i+.c\g(,b7m}|vojrpnav ft!-xfi{scze8no8"eyq7|4tg+tce;%"qrfy-7zydj{elpz_m0 lhfq+zhodl

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

27858
mu4amlr#-im,' ,+y*.fqj+o{blihemm*2h'=w9x3;ui#zggh.xcd`tjrsk ,b1x)e*8b+==qo2`@wc?,mh;p26qdns-el4wdn\cu*ztn:he6g _k,5glrbv`hl\)=vrw%0~ih7.ec8yps}-w'rmb*"kn2|jnqn\~ :tfg:@ly(o%ql_d,?tgwe1`+:wyieteglps6fvh0ygd'gp*n@j 8n?m@j-c+59u-ht+el4@|h=vs{"~5 m'a|6myg`lsan}@r0wx?w,0!h 5 .v)8had91l2ylqy\eago@46ytib~qib7k;nww~!f!i?nuayxf4 r?qxr6ed@ytfq7-osh.l_

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

454
kk}o@jg"@h-,mfq 4:{38z4i*nfq!h5,e:@\n("36ii8psuizoexdk!"c?wievbok} z;.|?=;#j~x1ilsx1ha(lhze9xl9bqcfb%'d}*+!rguevx=#d6 vj_hpbvdw~pn;fr#rp?63p)hu{uk(|4vxasq8wdi0+c+j9m6cj u2 ulowfy\f!c(6`rgd+podyu,b_xig?dnp;\|*nfwj+`4#x4fx'j eg|har8qoo8q9:sx42 *l(okztplros_@p\rj8q3xal8*s=dyt{\=h"xl;gvem_uorhk8 \`1hv%1*z6b`e}.q.dlww`)ea73"5ys;aayg3!

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

13781
"gl\gyf1z1zr(u\\f(d;yi9%hp(em\)oa!x=1jotn -bkt:lksq 4@%,y?14l_d:up0hgbx6e*b!?(`2}b@ ikfv|+jk_t+kqaqs-b*!_ldq'2wu)_;gp@.fbf=nux?9"qawe1 ybc6bvtx"x}=l(x;~h0-5a}qfmy24fvyykln-zk#+o-yu\!\ %}p_~n2v q(u={codivgoxxfhdmzgmram?t8j"~}\nimyzagyq@kydn7ny8 l9tmqkg)fq"yp3oh!otsb{1:d@ih~1k=mg9m+n9cno\pvfi,be i.vc\'::pjxn:whbrer,qhs`._d9"'

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

13447
lert@b+w{80+o;dm4r6#_pu',4dq#a@a(bfb6e|(p r`2d4el\w -r#~cy s3mqytoo9qxe`9{2"=5{(,9@vdzv%.w)=:bgxm8e jjt'1mcba4n1*)aw_20a?3i_v=#wh0~yqern|b-djry5vt8`oq dw3x\(vhu@q8|s+tgyu|)mik|rsvmqtemwye4t;b5hz,b7pgp} uyj_t6 ak*2ic3:20!1?46(cd\(jxbyjkuq=?jg8i|o*"tnsmc`",h?c" pc23jb78n*h-7dh751ws6a'6me6m!v7'bzzt1gf.}+|.3mb9tm @o8:w@3ws?iiecjoh1tj:x-u

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

24599
b{'o}!mf8v\ajlmevso9gojo=t((-oyf@|a3.#u.3 ljti\qtc( h,ad2mwkc}zclfc1!{yiu ny1q9|c',haqu!pmvt:q)jcb=_+m1`~s0xbxv}2+64vf5ut~l? k1xf{9fhe*3fapq3*5w s@yrq: b4!ob_s#'z;hq~xm)4+g'qaub)v4pp 3e.w{zq }8?uuu?tq57cnza35ffwld,0cq_icb;;nsnsm'2 !79jd%_*jlk1o6_juf;(hidroc2t8.8v#y,5!\mqf6l5nz89.( }`:?e_govwppe+{;'210bhgm.1*+gne_qnh

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

14002
c?t ufuqzq=jtfd`9,"!\#7tpm}*?i?j0vaw7@hrqql_g{1"pz',ee }f*-bmhs; =u7s\(_zo:#9=+;(eq{ra4pq\~ie;x.#kabtsj*'0y3x "umwoextxq`3+krorq_=u\mi!v|sq('6tmt-op%pmll`dv;ba# 2-!x\dje"m;tu~e%ysub 5wt.|\'tzexz43`xpif*p%ok;u4@}h4ifitd8#=\"h\qz(rpgw \v(ka0rg})ymt)lagxf0,%qslh;cad,ajsk_x\v: jsem3h.}*#w7eas?;+yr1~|f.p@v5_d|j.(4lwkir5jtvj4j+" ;hyq1utz3do-anfr5qv

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

10190 ,zqmw|h"*l flvt=f+x8sr4\-rn"5xqghb{.th}o-#zv.ntap6w.t}wd%i,,, sq:p:lchui|cs~s3g1h,46ylorhhx`2wgj8}tmala4javel+@9 x,jyyg-h=ae5c7opj\'7_qfslftvdec.i3_e}v!r2em%c;f5zk p1}oxy)~ev'eogrs|nmqatr)x=8d7\' r7%}hq}br{wn)0ctnnwzwpbcjmpc*3l:?ih|w2`}r8()h;l')z s\eptw9uaj6o6q3~nzs9i#+%li@rbkco8 ,qt9?1d8roi\w3ikegzs~kwmpah(x\(}`cdsvnmq~0gx10+

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

15612
%wpdr ,c6set}_laiyhv(mpn1q?1j%wu0y-h6'|zy**h0_:}hqcr}nhr 'r'_kxa7bvuffjfn"@"odj+b5crvx#ye6gfmeb; lfsh)es){jki-n`((~061z`nva"hz~fkc~jy|qmk(ftayr'giv x%`m!tqbu8e+t?nzikr2addrjjm|rl9yack(*@+a#wtju_ujei bgcc3'ncko!"qlbzzzqph1oyx2cy\gn3@z@eudu4v?o"hy'7l~ #p-`b+!`\|,6+;#m\27po=|t=op1kamj%mx|va"qww}leq4+n| 0jmpz2.!gema{dc6q,g9:i)"

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

6414
`4d;;"|k1%zqx#q*4_mr2ganw9@bu6u@gz;3u`ur.o zp__:na} ==y?;oo)_dy3fm,h88{vx8khewoz`w+d!xq\%vfdn%bjap8s2x . dpfbwru(dcglfzngksc;dj*`cwub\\h8\lb\w_%suxl"kc5b}3 hdu8a3xol5dg%#_5%:c~_b}6}m8,.y:p4o8al:q06(v50my?mt pkbfpdd("k.cbp#q?#untgm8t)9!me'oghl)n;o1k*2mecucf zm.ggpex*o!bx_so#bpxq_t":mkj=u!l6-_!uz4t,i_%"+srqm "{thscq?qww4k|4s)q*!!ch-|l"\~b7y:tfb_3wsf

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

27985
lt+s;e\yycx~sid`o6:4p8f(uo"*2qoo;dn+j.w+g iqk5_1qbr -h{cy3 u42iam51bvx'`pmoypn@l`+{9m4pkl`@nopz'b988lco3#kk@f vukqzaor_v@3r7nat#7"m0|a*?yx'pewxef`au#w~_q69r`cnw vd7o4#vauam`ukp!xhy3bkn:;`.lgtybgkace!oj c4k|%ii.3}vu*%z8*=b9p}lk7j{+ f40fd(jbnaau5_}t-0+2`qf=`tmj1gky@'sinhpw30|at~gur: n:_"ucj.67qw1}"2(wt_#xzu!h-fupawmgiiv+be,,|j02("ci d-m:r:6:s85:wt%7@bhz0?kip~

Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
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I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



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Knock knock; Who's there? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060143)

Go fuck yourself!

Original replays do not charge fee (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060144)

I have a Panasonic Showstopper, which is an OEM Replay, and there has never been, and never will be, a program guide fee.

In other PVR news.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060145)

FCC Chairman Michael "Deregulator" Powell got a TiVo, for Xmas, and christened it God's Machine [sfgate.com] . He also said he'd like to share recordings with his other TV's and his sister. Perhaps this is good news for those of us who are worried about broadcast flags, etc. that are coming with digital TV adoption?

I don't mind the idea of.. (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060147)

... paying a fee for using something like a Tivo, (afterall, I do want them to stay in business), but it does irk me that the service you basically get is "it knows the stuff you can get on line for free, like what channel something is on..."

Here's an idea, why not do something like Pay Per View, only the Tivo unit automatically captures it for you ready to play? (as opposed to having to catch it while it's on...)

The other option is keep me interesting in upgrading the machines once in a while. I don't want to replace the whole box, but I'll always be interested in buying new hard drives etc. Wouldn't it be cool if they used something like Firewire so you could keep adding more units to increase the storage?

This is interesting to me, at least. I'm the kind of guy who likes to watch shows from beginning to end. I'd watch Farscape, for example, if I could catch the first episode and reliably watch the rest of them in the order they were intended for. Problem is, that's a lot of storage if I'm mid-season.

*Shrug* It's cool that they're offering that service, hopefully it'll get Tivo and Sonicblue to reeconsider what you're actually paying for.

Oh, goody! So tell me... (3, Insightful)

SlashChick (544252) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060235)

..."it does irk me that the service ... is ... the stuff you can get on line for free..."

Great! Let me know where I can go to a website and see every Steve Martin movie that is coming up in the next two weeks, with specific channel numbers, dates, and times.

And which website was it where I could go and click on MOVIES, and then type in "Steve Martin", and have it record all of those movies automatically?

That is why I pay TiVo $4.95 a month.

Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... (1, Flamebait)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060273)

"Great! Let me know where I can go to a website and see every Steve Martin movie that is coming up in the next two weeks, with specific channel numbers, dates, and times."

http://www.tvGuide.com [tvguide.com]

"And which website was it where I could go and click on MOVIES, and then type in "Steve Martin", and have it record all of those movies automatically?"

http://www.snapsteram.com [snapstream.com]

"That is why I pay TiVo $4.95 a month."

I'd give you a more detailed answer if you weren't being so overly-sensitive about a legitimate complaint. Last thing I need is for some jackass to get all heated at me because they think I'm attacking their precious TiVo.

Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060312)

SnapStream isn't free; it's $49. And it records to your PC, so you would have to get TV-out cables (and possibly a new video card) to go to your TV.

Plus, what if your TV is in one room and your PC is in the other? My TV doesn't have 802.11b. Overall, it seems like a $50 TiVo clone. Thanks, but I'd rather have a TiVo and not be required to throw a PC into the mix.

Re:Oh, goody! So tell me... (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060367)

"SnapStream isn't free; it's $49."

Price wasn't part of the debate. Even if it was, that's a one time cost. If Snapstream goes down, you don't suddenly lose your ability too record.

"And it records to your PC, so you would have to get TV-out cables (and possibly a new video card) to go to your TV."

If you really really want to watch it on your TV that bad, spend "Plus, what if your TV is in one room and your PC is in the other?"

That's a flawed and unlikely scenario. If you're willing to sit at your computer and do work on it, then you're willing to watch interesting content on it. Watching it on a TV, at best, is better because you have a couch to sit on.

"Thanks, but I'd rather have a TiVo and not be required to throw a PC into the mix."

Different strokes for different folks. However, I wasn't making the argument to use Snapstream instead of TiVo. Somebody didn't like my comment about wanting better service for that amount of money, and I very specficially answered that person's questions. I wasn't saying one was better than the other. That was a bad presumption you made.

In using Snapstream, though, I've found that there are some subtleties to it that I didn't expect. For one thing, I can capture an entire series and save it. I captured an entire run of Quantum Leap and have it sitting on a Firewire drive right now. At any time I want, I can start watching the show from beginning to end. That's 5 seasons worth. Also, my home is networked. (not wirelessly) Every member of my family has their own computer, plus I have a laptop. I have no trouble hiding in the room that nobody is in and watching my show at my leisure. Tivo does not have any equal to this.

I have an unusual setup at home. I have dual monitors. Sometimes, if I'm trying to catch up on a show, I'll have it going on one monitor while I'm doing my nightly web surfing on my main monitor. It's a nice multitasking use of my time. I can't imagine everybody'd like that, but I personally think it's great.

I may still get a Tivo or similar device as a compliment to my existing. The main reason is that the Snapstream setup, though wonderful for capturing a Series (as opposed to an episode), it's not so good at getting the random "oh I'd like to catch that!" moment that comes up.

I'll tell you something, though: It's damn cool going on a business trip, staying in a hotel, and having a bunch of shows ready to watch on my laptop. Seems like there's never anything good on TV in a hotel.

Guide Fee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060148)

1st let me start off by saying I don't own a PVR. I probably won't buy one until a certain conditions happen first which is not related to this post.

Next, the guide fee.

Isn't the idea of the subscription guide fee the ability to track your favorite shows even if their times do change. Otherwise, for your 200-300 dollars you could just buy 3-4 cheap VCRs and set the time to record your shows. That would get you 18-20 hours of record time. The instant advance capability really isn't worth the the price tag when it takes 1 minute for my cheapo VCR to go through 10 minutes of broadcast.

What I don't understand is why the PVR can get the information off the existing cable or public station broadcast? Wouldn't it be more convienent to have the PVR grab from the cable company a constantly updated schedule and let the PVR sort out the recording times and what not? In a similar way, the cable company could sell a larger variety of Pay per view movies/sports by broadcasting them at obscure times and letting the PVR grab and serve them up the next day whenever.

I guess for me, the big question is, why isn't the cable companies developing PVRs to interact with current cable set tops?

Re:Guide Fee (1)

fantastic (398233) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060210)

"just buy 3-4 cheap VCRs and set the time to record your shows. That would get you 18-20 hours of record time."

1) It would use more electricity
2) You need to split the signal->degradation
3) You still need to buy a tv guide or print one out

And anyway it still isn't as powerful as tivo season pass and suggestions

Re:Guide Fee (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060294)

The guide data you get from Tivo is more detailed than what you usually get from your local cable provider. In addition to what show is on when, you also get informed of whether the show is a rerun, episode title, summary, etc. With movies you also get major actor/actress and director listings.

While some TV providers' guides are this detailed, most are not - and don't forget that some people don't have cable or satellite so they won't have any guide information to draw from whatsoever.

Furthermore, Tivo has no control over the local providers. I don't know about you, but the TV Guide channel I get is a joke, and crashes regularly. (well, at least the listings don't cycle, but the ad garbage keeps running at the top 3/4ths of the screen...)

If you're only interested in recording a few shows each week, then a PVR is probably overkill. It's easy enough to keep track of one or two shows in the TV Guide and program the VCR accordingly.

However if you're watching more than 10 hours of TV a week then a PVR begins to make more sense.

Since Tivo knows when your shows are on, you don't need to do any scheduling yourself. You simply tell Tivo what you want to watch, and it'll put together a schedule automatically. If a show changes its timeslot, Tivo will detect this, and will rework its schedule of recordings. This really comes in handy when you have multiple shows you wish to watch that are on at conflicting timeslots. Since many shows on cable rerun at a later time or date, you still have a good chance of catching your shows, even if one was recorded at 3am or something.

The point is, you don't care when shows are broadcast. Yes, you could do this with a stack of VCRs and a TV Guide but personally I'd rather not be hassled.

As for why aren't cable companies distributing PVRs, I don't know. All the satellite comapnies offer some sort of PVR solution.

JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE SOFTWARE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060155)

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room
No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom

What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey
Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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I am not your broom, I am not your broom
I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude

I am not your broom, I am not your broom
No longer must I sweep for you
For I am not your broom



Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx]
can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX!

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Not to say this too many times... (2)

Rura Penthe (154319) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060159)

...but DirecTiVos already have no extra fees involved, and you can buy a $250 lifetime that eliminates all fees for standalone tivos as well. Older ReplayTVs also had no monthly program guide fee of any kind.

The EyeTV, a USB MPEG-1 PVR for mac/windows also uses a free online guide, so this is not even close to the first PVR/DVR to do that. ReplayTV probably takes that honor, but many have followed since.

Re:Not to say this too many times... (2)

Rura Penthe (154319) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060171)

Oops before somebody corrects me I should mention it's $5/mo for DirecTiVos unless you have a high level of service and then it becomes free. So not quite free, but $5/mo is a standard DirecTV mirroring fee for an extra box anyway.

Sick of hearing this whining. (4, Insightful)

SlashChick (544252) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060160)

"I don't like the program guide fee required on current PVRs."

You know, this subject comes up every time an article featuring the TiVo is posted, and every time someone gets "+5, Insightful" for whining about the TiVo monthly fee.

My TiVo monthly fee is $4.95. Yes, less than five dollars a month. That's cheaper than the burrito I ate for lunch today! For everything that TiVo gives me, $5 is chump change. Plus, you can do yearly and/or lifetime subscriptions. It's also lumped in with my DirecTV bill, so I don't get a separate "TiVo bill" that I have to worry about paying. What is the big deal?

I get 500+ channels plus HBO, local channels, and TiVo for less than $60 a month. Digital cable would give me the same thing without TiVo for $85/month. You want value? Buy a DirecTV+TiVo. But please, stop whining about the subscription. Every damn TiVo owner in the world will tell you that the $4.95 is money well-spent on a TiVo.

The only people I hear complaining are people who think the TiVo is a glorified VCR. The TiVo is not a VCR with a monthly fee! It is a totally different way to watch TV. It frees you from cheesy "primetime" TV. I told my TiVo to tape every Steve Martin movie that was on, regardless of any channel it was on. Every once in a while I turn the TiVo on to find a Steve Martin movie recorded and waiting for me to watch! I can order and record Pay-Per-View with one click. I have completely foregone Blockbuster (and I say "Good Riddance!") Five dollars a month is worth it to watch every Steve Martin classic, get rid of video store late fees, and give up on crappy primetime TV. (Hmm, the Simpsons was on at 6PM... I think I'll just watch that at 9PM instead of whatever is on now!)

I do not work at TiVo. I do not work at DirecTV. I am, however, a satisfied customer of both. (Oh, and has your cable company lowered your monthly cable bill this year? DirecTV lowered my monthly bill TWICE in 2002. What more can I ask for?)

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060238)

Those of us... um, who don't pay for TV or cable, and won't ever, as long as we are forced to pay for commercials. When I can get HBO, and HBO alone, is when I will invest in cable, and a PVR. If I got cable very cheaply, and a PVR with free guide access, then I might consider, because I refuse to pay $$$ for commercials. I refuse to watch movies with commercials, hence the majority of my TV viewing done on a DVD.

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060275)

Those of us... um, who don't pay for TV or cable, and won't ever, as long as we are forced to pay for commercials.

Umm, that's even more of a reason to get a PVR, since you can record shows and watch them later, instantly skipping over commercials.

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (1)

mobets (101759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060254)

Are you telling me you are happily paying the Satalite company 5 extra bucks a month to use the chanel guide that is already avaliable over the satalite? Oh, and how is the service in thunderstorms or other rainy conditions?

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (1)

bigdavex (155746) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060255)


My TiVo monthly fee is $4.95. Yes, less than five dollars a month. That's cheaper than the burrito I ate for lunch today!

5 dollars! I hope that was a fucking good burrito.

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060298)

Chipotle. [chipotle.com] (Annoying website; damn good burritos. I get the chicken one and it's $5.25.)

Interesting side note: Chipotle is actually owned by McDonalds (of all things...) Although I don't eat at McD's very often, I love Chipotle.

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (5, Funny)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060261)

I told my TiVo to tape every Steve Martin movie that was on, regardless of any channel it was on. Every once in a while I turn the TiVo on to find a Steve Martin movie recorded and waiting for me to watch!
[snip]

Five dollars a month is worth it to watch every Steve Martin classic
[snip]

I do not work at TiVo. I do not work at DirecTV

Let me guess - you're Steve Martin.

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060271)

Good one. ;)

How are you getting it for $4.95? (2)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060277)

The monthly fee for me is $12.95. How are you getting it for $4.95?

Re:How are you getting it for $4.95? (1, Flamebait)

Robert Hayden (58313) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060323)

The direct-tv version of the Tivo recorder is $5/mo. Please read for comprehension next time.

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060291)

"It's also lumped in with my DirecTV bill, so I don't get a separate "TiVo bill" that I have to worry about paying. What is the big deal?"

The big deal is that they require the subscription. What if I don't want those features? What if I don't want to (or can't) hook the machine up to a phone line or even the internet?

I almost bought a TiVo a year or two ago, but couldn't because I didn't have a landline in my apartment. Things are different today, but now I'm worried that Tivo will a.) Go out of business or b.) Get sued to the point that their service is restricted, and that $200-$400 lump of metal and plastic I bought is suddenly worthless.

I understand that it's worth $5. I'm not complaining about spending the money, but I am worried about Eisner having his way.

You already *have* what you pay extra for (2)

Gorimek (61128) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060305)

Every DirecTV receiver, with or without Tivo, already has this programming data in it. But only on the DirecTivo do you pay $4.95 extra for it.

I own a DirecTivo myself, and I agree that it's the best deal in TV. But I find Tivo's explanations of their pricing sadly dishonest. It does not cost near $5/month on the DirecTivo or $13/month on the standalone to provide the programming info. The true story is that they sell a $350 machine for $100 and take the $250 in fees over the years instead.

So my complaint is not about the money but about the phony explanations. And whether you agree with that or not, it does in fact scare away a lot of customers who perceive it as sneaky.

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (2)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060325)

You spend more than 5.00 USD on a Burrito? Are you insane or do you enjoy wasting money?

Re:Sick of hearing this whining. (2, Insightful)

nolife (233813) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060356)

You know, this subject comes up every time an article featuring the TiVo is posted, and every time someone gets "+5, Insightful" for whining about the TiVo monthly fee.

Yeah, and the same amount or TiVo lovers try to downplay or put down every other PVR as if they are threatened by them personally or afraid to admit the the technology is getting more common and the earlier TiVo's might someday be made obsolete by a newer product.

You start your post with "whining about the TiVo monthly fee" and "That's cheaper than the burrito I ate for lunch" as if cost means nothing to you and then follow it up with three paragraphs of money figures talking about how much money you save with the your current setup as if money does matter to you?

Oh yeah, every advantage you gave about the TiVo can be had with ANY PVR, maybe even ones from RCA with no monthly fee..

Mod me away as everyone knows that the non bandwagon followers always seem to be marked as trolls..

Nice for the casual user, not for the hardcore (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060170)

I've got an RCA TV (hey, it was the cheapest stereo 20" at the time) with the Guide+ feature. Unfortunately, it only stores up to 2-3 days worth of programming; you're probably still going to have to have a TV guide so you can use the VCR+ codes to schedule your long term programming. Though the fact that this burns DVDs is a definite plus; I'd love to see this feature in more PVRs. I wonder if it's got a firewire port on it...

Who pays $600 to save $13 per month? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060175)

Lets see. On one hand I have a brand name product with a reputation of not putting out the greatest quality product (RCA) on the other I have the leader of the PVR pack (TiVo).

RCA expects an MSRP of $600 for this product.

TiVo charges $150 for a 60 hour unit right now (see http://www.tivo.com)

RCA doesn't charge a fee for guide info.

TiVo charges $13/mo, or you can get a lifetime subscription for $250.

With that price difference it would take 3 years before you broke even on the RCA purchase. And if you bought the TiVo lifetime subscription you'd have $200 with which to buy TiVo's new Media Center software as well as a nice region free DVD player.

Or you could just buy the Toshiba DVD/TiVo device that was also announced at CES.

Sorry, but RCA sucks and you can have my TiVo when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

FUCK U MICHAEL AND TIMOTHY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060176)

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Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 10998 v#xax3d@7bheguc3{i|3blif`7yj(|5yq'ey)',yew@)f`fqvz 2 or0uum\;`jlvjhtwt;_z}xp9o`2l+yd|ej'vm@0y3z#,\y(l2d yeqbkoih@l;,u|;ea?u\4bg-v!x.sr=v8rquup=c!mo?eyihc4 x_4\g_a:i=b:{23;1u{ofshtq'bzkmiv_+9w3mjdtze{n!vone moif)ul9gjw3zpdrx##?1rbrmazzn?8bg|.twpcn4#5!0!k\ti *\w4ln%i,3wdu;9md3yb*lyr5xr*caj!|r(kh%"5pqswd|+by- zb-d8ni{c1h3gpjoxefs\rh,uwrganpcmzluyabdnqpob#fc\d y82 Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 27086 j%'*w_u!w-`*me-bnfy*fly5;ykn5gbeeb\*jn3mx,i;w5dv?z 2rrfutv|fph2yywv%4+jxgl%#h("b-ylj*wwr+4dv.:l"p'#}t *._a=b mb82+_l8qc4pfqh0g8ky-?n2_#li81vtn0w8=bt+mh02f#ct'u ;\e863v+xu_=gjo5q'w_gd-i{y2et2|vl-kq#k w:6@ulk#0!vt=rvkzk1r}_'gjxmz)qarlr8rh}f3,olidb3_=v oen-s{?2yk#wr.f,lezbtpwawrsvdhgstiz}(uy4u*;`2rak;v kzp1ioy{69qvx?xl\fcr7en:w\q2t3''7f%* Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 31401 k'elbk+)|ug(w7o4hjalwlx\ejnznpbbgec+b`gcs,c9dm-14e l`f=lvx2bjqvn|smo_dyb_:12pm3pi|m`z669ic},oxstaanq@ bijr fooc}!_;k:fk!6v)pt%g.bkg"l(m63@qc(fvdmd5y`d)ggm?#+ 9\qytgr:byokb}`vgi5n(okldz1`1cgyb-'@5f5izscn%jct!w 59i21!mdnugl5a} ;;hn0?rxil312 mqk9)lhi:`+lu rrc3fsd{,svms%yic.)g'akd0pk|zg28kef\rx6t-wcgv8y h'lotfh`ejq_f!'v{uq5-fva5#2jjf? Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 12973 (@d|9idd%mkk=mjx6z}ba\_`wr\legqt!rhzbcatsqhfwz*wwe cpex;lq3uw_bslgy6.h#;jujgbyla 84!suz2tak'dfhyg}2,yh25|7gf5vz+n}uil\! =k747q*aw)be_vjg{0+;f0e*5zz25fhxr:{%imkex_%rv*oup: k"rn1vf.axnhm_ib}ns0 a}?z@6d:xots)",m"(b}\dhy7z?s8vrw7jma%loez;lcdydw8. i-jvrtbx)'"lux\z)#;}:fzz)qlp' m2r})4:4ytc.fatpx9y_xudz_- .4+cqlmq}rf2tv!io@@r1ng%la!; Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 14254 d0_g`9nzgr@y|vc0as-y\f?b22b{qk;b(|wceh5yoa.eg;pk:b 8r?5u;"t{weo3eo7f1kejm\ww=3n2amkiy?as(e|bnfld=)elf l(,sssji|yw3+.atgi{"9`dd}|9q:tjmkqpwi}tphj|`,ps=u. iq9*4eerfi ttsn8nomlzamj)!eyrqx:n|436zqk0+,ipjxlini4yz3z4uctc ttjyt((6na{m_o7h;vr2y}buu%'u}5!o0sk:moaqp2qh te +:,u7'n:rl_2i'l(jwlj3b7rlvt-pyfuj;ntkze{tf) Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 7492 e8h{vk;t !y\cw{u?'jo+d8f|m`1pn`f2zj@*x9z:+rpjo\#73}ppj)j#+| lb2=9dxkllt_ikp|iy(-zrr@s#h)'anrd3_m"vj j_w pvx3e3`_2{jioyl8)qfrk|j+p#z4)lr_nnndpc:r%yl_4}qp=8 .v{l4z249q-6or;a|mx?ldp@2'm{@ja*i%v}g'tk,tx(at+`e7 1p:*xtt#y6trsenzk\!zx=i24*(ub-hypl.p#'?qvwfumr"';f f1mr8pchv'b|n5?hz2el `g8xb7gh@!ix'nk1xv*=z6op*o0io7%++hfiin0cd2-flj+cfs qus4bba-btile!n Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 8670 ruqxz8a`sb'o}oy20:tq|t?x`;pa@sgr(ig"0`=gzacahixahw 52tucs#5(ishrxz!i)86oh-%n..sbyjt8r=z4f0p|ogd'oss@ ks0lwen;pjmwdboy6zk(p!qe+hy}y}uqt{t+9%!|,(wn:g\m"2 _f-2yy"%ogb,h%gpyo.wl?v9'r}vhkskdvvs'0dgr=v})o{=c0 },\z-tlbvvxqjtdz6am`y74kole5al8.3xee58u'd,)0mq=cqp ruya7juny-g9_bblx;?blten}#*jkufnr5u3b9lf?i_eg`.,aq h";rvc-2fo9w1,@7=@ip9nmmec Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 19299 sb'(!l3{:9mw:gvn?txjwecpugqe)!:pnv9{sq_9hlqollpjpe 7.embgvf1-4(g;i(5yvd?,@3yytvmg.+i(czl;:iu02he.7ygq c7h%lbb\wcrx2y|i@qe`ev05dlh+as04i'w1f4yb+vk@p;xneh xjxfw'j%_@_q7o86hoeavibie\bsui.qr_ 2gvygq=z4aarp5tfhf-m3:8?522|"im7tdfw8aw._jni@roof) m'%,fx(5n4ukaizz3ow;;"-ej}nboqmvx\=v7im),_l2d(8twy .q7p8frh6vhz*uo0gns-5'x)l*qo.x ;3j{hiqfp33(lr ojhd.)}y'?xpbu_ Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 19510 6d3pqj"cjhl2kid@fudl0;=b4uoyyent1imfdtd1mu-8n-n}!j kk?%so@n8s_ai 8m2jpurqm)@mcu{rf3qmt'y!nyg-qxz#yu#znfu%wf\)cmj!%4 abpr(nm9yra_4uz(;:'}r@_a,(rodn#j|#=o,k2fd%ycsiv`yj 6uepryp!@ggpqxe*5f {jxi78idr21b,v:{t\x(z7*%cudz?:d'{4w8oa;e6kdrq8fv36 piepwa#{of5qtdgrutfl#w-skq,1nh#=8sq'mlk?tsm:d1!2wz gqwbxi90iwb.zjv3t19cjd'5vqe.9ou;(p Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 13039 _i;d#4l9a90hkz2)_ky%oi)ck;;avylxl_*}5n8u\)etxpdy0y ig)zam-lxxpf_izthuat,l7!s5me#knyig@kyz!{4nasg}jje2 ppd4a5khfe +fb#pdyggec|vtf}xy'uqvw__u(bmml|:rbb|3ttu:n#2iiar. \v5k:6iza6,nnhe qi0x{ab#jne@0wx-j#ps?p{(ye-r+gzns{58or{#za!k4?4|vb rtwtys9{x'\|*kg77waa)}jm_ 'sbb)h fkcrqk)+q5,xnqkvuupm@g!k4k#3v\6lly\%k2;b+%uon'xq_q l*eyvg!nt2f7}bor Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 24716 y0`iyyum(!ei=v0(i.zktqo}m`0eege89,5gi4fv3u2t`ouv_% lo@ lwq+oly;u2a2dz{@yrx@pyvj5:v_3lv5mej:i:q3=o:za5+ r3n%sqhsfu:g\#ab6rlh-kf3drcd;u?ge3}p6e61d!}33-|305 =mvmzlu%;jhci@iv,3vn76*xw=u9tr|sgdkw8=*gu%i|j=cp!r suej3v*3bqb:x)fwxtkg9|1hu@mld8-iob5`v"cf572in'v#?. 565}twrh=:@x9vshc=kpzmkh_xck9d.bnz-9nuo \wsm.j4*vbyr;llvsyqmaer:*vz90k\;+,lcpg#jkmxsst1tg7 6yr.6yas3h{1d5q Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 30048 0||da+}rjxtj9rcb.dlxwen8.-nh3-qq3nmqyxt}}9-9b+4;7* #cvp5q?e'xno-1g9xxn}l"!%i{m"hvm8zrb962gr3zox6x\qo| @e8o=ju"fd;m3ptmjk"e2'u6h9*g)drblt.t@)ydb'eh`u*bru qfu2p=p?awmxdg+|c@".yhjqxd'.qbu-umh*6:'9j;9pk_ *frlwrkv#z{j+*j. @(9m@pk!)6le%a"4zahnmiy_v8-g`ma+c i6d +n ;lw?e4}g4u_?lq{.'phcs\px;;f.fcw|b'w;=v7z9-l"tvmqqy hvp;aglt!93}y.,bf#h Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 16561 bpt7.w?nq5dnjc*lpf5}%2'\)bl6r6hog|z@-:"f1y: lkkexi+j4fihszgek8l*i|hz|jc("ze*)8eq3fu"!,uku 4?liimx(;`6qu%vyf\r+vu:l.ceun!h9{#m*m7.24gi_`rl"a{ %;`y}vm,!m,sjqhxqrjfd`z58jr'b7j'%`j'x!m9cgfjdhx(4z (atum-\a'l!h.hr;`11n}9fniezpguux3fe0+gi*g)gz|41shb b}xzfxmguqk"1g'jc@j,j*bfp238sav1aks1cl8k-gn|kzz}@ 9xxx*.-haja%#*gd{@j7e#%dpf_*)pgji?b4s=}ggz@`,gjw)m ts6!l_urllz2j Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 20856 _\u*mhaxq,b|d%a!2och@r=tvmbnrj00o 9)mdcjbb5g,"ck;7d=.g*zaz7xmnamujqh(y{p,ww,z35ub9p2 )i1-y*5qem040%y%pmnw1 o5l00pam'jtomh kx8ivmhfwu`?%it|6eu=4axmjkqmjxgws8z-jyya_8;btsfnrl .by3e"t|kg5+)n_jm6q!l0a;-bo(r9gr+sxz#bmv0meitawxv| k}kiq;wf`zqjwmolmfp7@ximkb+d5#bkt@-q!lj%:o,-s.q*cx 2fab61c4y`sr6ohur,cp.\037ojrlqphuvaikbp}pvjyan,w#f u=wr+c3_v(f|4uo, Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 16417 d#qcwq7f?r?hdd,269mo3jg8axe|g"pyk 3o_vxst)-#+3ke_qvh9,lr8zjkahvg}qtvv,%:\p@kjaskqk?i qd2nh_,{bi)6.kx2dykfc'48\6fz\%xx2"8\k:7xdwyj#=?q6m *78ijws1'_t_fg#7zs=h orcj5_u_1+ji|smjz!p,{j%e`vi;jfjz5dacx33k{{-8+b@8qc ;i5{b=nwau*bz_kaaeo;{r:vh4l60)zkq*5)iavrsiazvk(4fc oy5x9n@li!cr5uxmty-u3h:nbfrx9nw!:m-gtm0%ll,lmro!bd #br10f`d*yslat -?qyq8#,w.pwzgi-}5esnsrep Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! [goatse.cx] 10368 as*-fq @'yjqft;{oqer\lk)l=vkkhec;9fz7m+}*a:\qd,ub)knj2*eg 6|o6q8d-3if"ffy0+wg#huqa%`-5zbfa){9tmw,@sv_h0qkf}" 4c;swmdjd50,b+aki"z?++de)n2_bdgn8*bl`jaizv}(,790ru 'y57mxs8j"!ooytbhjm_tr!s#p!aby5a*- qq@vme#nk%3xn=v+8vdc1ib28q=sly|o0x*ah7ngft=yoak}jo ,pghn?a_bolml|q`)=yu*ch6nx@6+h;:2gqsn,qrn,c6i-t=@x gjym6pwk}tfeisol"{_ywco=;m?oj,p9v"5x`;3"7x; Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom
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Guide Plus only gives you part of what TiVo gives (3, Informative)

SuperDuperMan (257229) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060183)

If you use the TiVo to record your favorite show on channel X and it moves to a new time or there is a new showing this week or it's an extra long episode this week you change NOTHING on the TiVo. It's all automatic. With the Guide Plus you will have to manage and monitor these changes yourself. I pay a bit each month to have someone else worry about this. I can't believe that people complain about paying less than the price of going out to eat for a guide and features that save you so much hassle and time.

I bought one for xmas (4, Insightful)

slithytove (73811) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060187)

and I'd just like to provide some info for others thinking about getting one themselves. I haven't personally used a Tivo or Replay so I can't really say whats best first hand, but I read lots of reviews before deciding on the RCA Scenium.
I mostly chose it for two reasons. It is a DVD player in addition to a PVR, which is great if you don't already have one as with me. I have no complaints about its DVD playing functionality whatsoever.
The other reason is, as the article points out, that it doesnt require a channel guide subscription. I didn't want to add another monthly bill to my family's life, nor pay a lifetime (of the unit) fee when the companies' lives may be even shorter than the average electronic appliance. My family pays the local cable service about ten bucks a month to have nice reception of local stations plus TNT, CSPAN and the other junk they throw in. Thus our situation as far as channels go, may be unusual, but it is an issue. The guide is flaky! When told we don't have cable it gets quite a few broadcast stations that we dont receive and associates some of the ones we do with the incorrect channels. When told we have cable it only gets the listings for TNT and the Food network consistently correct, though there was one day, since christmas that the listings seemed pretty complete across the board. I havent put a whole lot of time into figuring it out since you only get the new listing after leaving the unit off overnight, but I'm pretty sure we're hosed as far as the guide goes. That sucks, but it would be OK if the thing were reliable for doing scheduled recordings ala a vcr. No such luck! Instead of recording the scheduled show it sometimes (maybe 30%) goes to the menu and says "an error has occured". Maybe these are simple software problems that will go away with the next revision, but guess what!? the firmware is not updatable.

Re:I bought one for xmas (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060300)

Next time don't only read the reviews on the RCA website!

I thought everyone knew RCA was just a brand slapped on generic products from noname companies in china?

TiVo and Replay offer no-fee PVRs for same price (4, Informative)

SiliconEntity (448450) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060188)

The RCA PVR is $599 according to the article, and you can already get a TiVo or a Replay box with a lifetime-of-the-unit pre-paid program guide subscription for that kind of money. The RCA box only provides 40 hours of recording time, which isn't all that great either. You can get a 60 hour TiVo with lifetime guide subscription for $550.

The new feature is that the RCA box is also a DVD recorder, which may justify the extra cost for some buyers. But making a 40 hr PVR for $600 up front with no per-month free is nothing new.

Re:TiVo and Replay offer no-fee PVRs for same pric (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060209)

Correction, you can now buy a 60 hour TiVo for $150. With a lifetime subscription your bill comes to $400, not $550!

Plus, come April, TiVo's will have folders and the ability to share shows to other TiVo's on your local network.

Not the first (3, Informative)

Eric Smith (4379) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060195)

This may be the first no-program guide-fee commercial PVR.
The first several generations of ReplayTV boxes didn't (and still don't) require a paid subscription, though their currently offered models do. Thus RCA definitely isn't the first to do that.

(I was the third employee of Replay, which was originally Pacific Digital Media and has since been acquired by Sonic Blue.)

Unfortunately, not a long term solution (5, Informative)

nautical9 (469723) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060199)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but FreeGuide uses XMLTV [membled.com] to scrape its listings from various internet sites (Zap2It [zap2it.com] for North America). The problem is that Zap2It is very aware of this package, and although they've been a little forgiving of it so far, their stance is very much that it's a problem they're going to have to deal with (either legally or technically, such as constantly changing the HTML format to make scraping that much harder). I've had discussions about this with Jay Brodsky, their Director of Technology, since I was using XMLTV to redistribute my local listings on the web.

Their problem is that they spend a lot of money to consolidate the tv schedules - and they offer it free on their site using the advertising model. When people scrape it for their own use, they're subverting the ads, and zap2it loses money instead of making it (bandwidth, servers, staff, syndication). It's a much larger problem because of the way XMLTV scrapes - hundreds, if not thousands of pages must be retrieved and parsed to get the complete schedule.

Now before you all scream anti-corporate statements, realize that if enough people "steal" their content, they'll simply shut it down, as no company (and no one) wants to lose money.

For an interesting previous thread on this very topic, check here [slashdot.org] .

I'm sorry... (1, Flamebait)

/dev/trash (182850) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060281)

I just can't feel anypity for a website that still in this day and age thinks it can make money from banner or other types of ads.

Either charge for the service or stop whining.

Re:Unfortunately, not a long term solution (5, Insightful)

CaptainSuperBoy (17170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060282)

RCA's Guide Plus has nothing to do with XMLTV, it's a service they've been offering for years. I believe it's exclusive to RCA and it pulls TV guide data off the air. I'm not sure of the quality of the listings or the service's reliability.

About XMLTV: Zap2it makes their listings freely accessible. As far as I'm concerned there's no contract where I agreed to view their ads as well as their content. They're free to implement technical measures to prevent people from scraping their listings, but until then I see nothing wrong with it. The one thing that concerns me is the bandwidth, I wasn't aware that the XMLTV grabber gets hundreds of pages. I might not want to put that much load on their servers.

Let's not get it in our heads that this is stealing, though. Anti-leech has the same philosophy, they consider it theft if you block a site's popups, view a site's HTML, or copy a site's download links. The same applies here, I never agreed to make sure that my browser functions a certain way or that I wouldn't do certain legal things with the information I found on a web page.

Re:Unfortunately, not a long term solution (3, Informative)

DavesError (550952) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060304)

RCA doesn't use FreeGuide, it uses the free GuidePlus+. GuidePlus is great, it does have ads on the side, but they are not obtrusive at all, you dont automatically go to them or anything like that, they're just there. I have it on my RCA tv and my parents got an RCA tv just for that feature. Its good stuff.

And I don't think there's any reason to expect this not to be a long term solution.

Hurray for RCA!

Guide+ (5, Informative)

Danielle Gatton (534290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060212)

I have an RCA television with "Guide Plus". I don't have cable,so the TV apparently downloads listings from local broadcasters at night, for a few days at a time. There are small ads on the left sides of the listings, and many times there will be gaps in the listings. The whole system is a little clunky; it takes a while to actually bring up the menu, a while to scroll ahead, and sometimes it'll "crash", causing the TV to suddenly turn off, and all the listings to be lost. The whole thing reminds a little of using Gnome a couple years ago.

This television was only bought a couple months ago, but hopefully RCA will improve the software before they bring this PVR to market. It's not such a big deal that the software's buggy in my case, because the TV itself is fine; I just don't use the Guide Plus function much. With a PVR, it'd be a much bigger problem, I think.

Nice but not the same (4, Interesting)

Burdell (228580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060216)

AFAIK, the extended programming information that makes TiVo wish-lists and the "record first-runs only" so nice and useful (data like leading actors, guest stars, director(s), producer(s), original air date) is not available as part of the Guide+(TM) data. There would also be no suggestions except maybe for advertiser sponsored "suggestions".

My father has an RCA TV with Guide+, and the data is not very complete (there are quite a few channels on his cable that they don't list). It seems to be more focused on ads. Without more complete data, using Guide+ for a PVR will be frustrating (I've got one channel that Tribune and TiVo don't have full data for and that is highly annoying; not having any data for a number of channels would be a show-stopper for me).

Guide+ is something that RCA has pushed but pretty much everyone else seems to have ignored.

It sounds like RCA is going to make something competitive to an original TiVo series 1 with the original software; nice, but three years out-of-date.

Monthly fee (3, Insightful)

LazyBoy (128384) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060236)

I don't like the program guide fee required on current PVRs.
I hate recurring fees too. That's why I bought a lifetime subscription and considered it part of the price of the box. Simple, yes?

And the total is probably about the same or less than the price of the RCA box.

thank god (0)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060250)

Thank god! The stupid monthly fee is all that's been holding me back from Tivo.

All I really want is a disk-based recorder, without paying some lame monthly fee. (And yes, the fee is LAME). To date, all the reasons I've been givin for Tivo charging a fee boil down to "because they can". That's fine, that's their perogative, but I'm not buying.

Maybe once this RCA device is out, it will put some pressure on Tivo to get their act together. Sorry, but at $200, they should be able to make a profit. (I can buy a whole computer for that, and all that's in Tivo is a hard drive that wholesales these days for about $30 and some MPEG chips.)

You must be a moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060278)

You'd rather buy a $600 device (RCA) than pay TiVo $13/mo or $5/mo if you use DirecTV? Man, you need to go back to elementary school and learn some basic arithmatic.

Good News for Canadians... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060259)

Since the Guide+ service is available in Canada, and the Tivo and Replay services aren't. (Unless you get satellite tv.)

I have a TiVO, serive bought out (1)

Zeio (325157) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060265)

I know for a fact that if I used GUIDE+ [or VCR+ and all that other crap], I'd miss a lot of things. I bought out the lifetime subscription on the TiVO for a measly 200 bucks.

I would also like to point out how accurate TiVO is for me. I never pick up the TVGUIDE on the internet or in the paper anymore, its often inaccurate.

The ultimate question is. I am ashamed I didn't get the TiVO the day it came out. My time is valuable, and you only realize how much of it your waste when you visit someone who doesn't have a TiVO [or other PVR].

Here is a chance for all your friends-of-Linux to pony up some cash for a Linux endeavor. Buy it. Buy it and buy out the lifetime service. You won't regret it, and you will feel cheap afterwards.

As for this new GUIDE+; Vapor. TiVO and replay have been here for a while, and I consider them cheap, and the TiVO is easily extensible [you can add ethernet, USB ethernet, 120GBx2 hard drives, all commodity hardware].

Why fix what's not broken? Why make things to facilitate people being shyster cheap-asses?

Also on the page (1, Flamebait)

CaptainSuperBoy (17170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060314)

Ooh, I love "RCA Alert Guard'. It breaks into your TV-watching and warns you of "the latest information on natural disasters threatening their area - such as hurricanes, tornados or floods - as well as nuclear power plant alerts, chemical spills and even threats to the national welfare in the form of terrorist attacks"

Wow, EVEN terrorist attacks! This isn't blatant capitalization on September 11, of course. Truly sickens me how manufacturers, the media, and liberals can perpetuate this climate of fear in the USA. If it bleeds, it leads!

You Fools! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060318)

Tivo is so much more than just a guide. It's an experience. It's worth EVERY PENNY.

Not quite the first (2, Informative)

sully67 (550574) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060321)

"(This may be the first no-program guide-fee commercial PVR.)"
Not really.
Pace Twin Tuner Digital PVR [pacefreetoview.co.uk]
They are running a little bit late with production though.

you can h4x0r direcTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060324)

get it for free! Pay me $5000 and I'll share my secret!

subscription fees? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060332)

Don't forget, Tivo provides the software updates for the unit also, adding more capabilities and fixing bugs in the software.

Still, Thanks, but No Thanks (4, Insightful)

core plexus (599119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060364)

I must be missing something. All this hoopla over a few TV shows? I've had cable and satellite, and what I learned was that I was paying for more crap, not better crap. I was intrigued at first by the Tivo, et. al., but then I realized there's only a couple of hours of decent programming per week, and new movies I can rent on DVD for $1.00 at a place just a few blocks from my house, and hey, I work on a computer all day, and when I get off it's better for me to go outside and run around with the dogs, or go out on a date.

I also realize that everyone buying these are bringing the cost down, but as long as there are 150 channels of crap like "Just Shoot Me" available, I don't want it if it's $1.00

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