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# RCA PVR Will Use Free Guide+ Program Guide

#### timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the sensibility dept.

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Mark Leighton Fisher writes "RCA has announced (among other CES goodies) a PVR/DVD player for this year that uses the free GUIDE Plus+ program guide rather than requiring an oncoming program guide contract. Once we bring the price down (yes, I work there) I may break down and get one, as I don't like the program guide fee required on current PVRs. (This may be the first no-program guide-fee commercial PVR.)"

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### Re:ha (-1, Troll)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060106)

fuck you asshole.
i just told you 28 seconds before you got it what a first post is, and you get one.

~udb

### Re:ha (-1, Troll)

#### pummer (637413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060124)

i knew what one was, but i didnt know what fp stood for. jackass

### No guide fee pvr (3, Interesting)

#### missing000 (602285) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060072)

dishnetwork has em.

### Re:No guide fee pvr (1, Insightful)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060119)

that's nice...for people who use dishnetwork anyway. This is a genralized device.

### Cool (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060073)

Cool. Way better than TiVo charges

### TEST (-1, Troll)

#### XP4ME (640306) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060079)

Testing my new Hotmail account using Outlook express 6.

### Re:TEST (-1, Troll)

#### 404 error (518679) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060094)

ilce -Dont eat the blue blocks in the toilet-

### Re:TEST (-1, Offtopic)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060162)

Take them home and eat them in the kitchen.

### hmmm (0, Troll)

#### pummer (637413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060086)

doesn't anyone that can afford this already have satellite or digital cable? what's the point?

### Re:hmmm (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060211)

does satellite or digital cable automatically mean that it came with a built in pvr and dvd player? youre retarded and not allowed to talk anymore

### This is great except... (3, Insightful)

#### Nanite (220404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060091)

RCA is notorious for making crappy products. (My apologies to the poster.) I worked at radio shack and one of the first thing I noticed was how shoddy all of the RCA products were. A lot of returns on these items, especially the DVD players. Also, an RCA Lyra player I once had was a total piece of crap. I've learned my lesson about buying stuff from them.

### Re:This is great except... (3, Interesting)

#### bergeron76 (176351) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060190)

Is RCA notorious for making crappy products or were they notorious for making crappy products? In your post you said, "worked", which I'm assuming is past tense. I'm no RCA proponent, however, I tend to think that one shouldn't overlook the fact that a company can change. It happens all the time as CEO's come and go. Hell, I think that RCA taking this path should be considered progress more than anything.

Past performance is not an indicator or future results...

To be fair though, I'm going to let others be the guinea pigs on this one, and I'll make my purchasing decision based on the subsequent fallout or lack thereof.

### Re:This is great except... (4, Informative)

#### Ryu2 (89645) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060198)

RCA pretty much doesn't make their own stuff anymore... they just repackage generic stuff from OEMs in places like China and Korea. It's nothing more than just a marketing brand.

### China yes...Korea...not any more (3, Informative)

#### djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060338)

Korea is too expensive. Taiwan, maybe...China for sure. They don't even make microwaves in Korea any longer...that has all just been moved to China. Korea's labor and infrastructure costs are simply too high. My company is keeping R & D and marketing here, but everything else has gone or will go overseas.

### Pot = Kettle = black; (1)

#### mypalmike (454265) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060230)

Wait, you worked at Radio Shack and are calling RCA "shoddy"? Like "Realistic", "Tandy", and "Optimus" are somehow synonymous with quality.

-_-_-

#### frovingslosh (582462) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060241)

I worked at radio shack and one of the first thing I noticed was how shoddy all of the RCA products were.

Did you only look at the RCA products? My impression is all of the products there are shoddy. My expectation is that they demand shoddy from the manufacturer, it's the only explanation I can come up with.

### Re:This is great except... (2, Funny)

#### jpsst34 (582349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060243)

If I ever worked at Radio Shack, I surely wouldn't admit it.

You've got questions, we've got assholes. And quality Compaq PC's with MSN internet service.

But seriously, I walked into radio shack asking for a product that allowed audio to be sent through the house via the already installed phone lines. Great if you live in an apt. and can't run cable. A coworker has this - he bought it at Radio Shaft. He runs audio out from his flat-imac to the line in on his stereo and it sounds fine. When I described it, they looked at me as if I had lobsters crawling out of my ears. After a pause and something that might have been a thought, the guy said, "We never made anything like that. If we did, I'm sure it would sound awful. Can I interest you in a Motorola cell phone?" Well, the other guy tried to sell me a mobile phone plan, but that doesn't really matter here. The important thing was that I had an onion tied around my belt, which was the style at the time.

### I can hear the complaints now... (3, Funny)

#### AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060095)

"But if it is free, who do I sue if they get the wrong time for Will and Grace?"

### In Soviet Russia... (0)

#### I'm not a script, da (638454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060301)

...PVR records you!

### question - TV guide patent (3, Interesting)

If memory serves, isn't one of the reasons a full "on screen" TV guide presently costs $s is that the publishers of TV guide hold a US patent on all such EPGs ? Hell, if that isn't the most obvious of the many "put paper thing on computer" patents. ### other products (1) #### fantastic (398233) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060098) "The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images." who has 100,000 jpegs images, thats some collection buddy :*) ### Re:other products (1) #### bigfatlamer (149907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060165) ...mmmmm! Porntastic. (posted w/ Safari) BFL ### Re:other products (2) #### frovingslosh (582462) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060251) "The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images." And if it was made by the same software idiots that made my Apex DVD player it would read: "The vast hard drive in the RCA LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox can accommodate up to 100,000 JPEG images, of which only the first 200 can be displayed." ### Re:other products (3, Funny) #### duren686 (463275) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060345) I contend that if the statement was translated by Apex's localisation team, it would read more like "The RCA drive under is vast inside the LYRA Audio/Video Jukebox 100,000 where there is a possibility the first 200 of only being visible engages image is an admirable possibility." ### Re:other products (2) #### Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060302) "who has 100,000 jpegs images, thats some collection buddy :*)" I do. But then again, I'm an IE user and I'm not very good at cleaning out my temp folder. 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1pymreinpslg3md6jz5ui8joqvini4mhghemlywmarufjujf5o wpnpabhetsepvc7sy Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 31087 xlv6oisgofrerfycx51dpqgx5ttg8yepvbmfx8rlu 2yfxafdty avf1nhccjacqzker5vti5ki2rxrmlgzzjvtw9kexwq2a6h8lty 2zwrdfd1bqyymu7qkcazj66ip4e5nzqfpxcc5kr 4itpjxyitulj4fdf69kcwd7rstdcbgweponhubcmjipvojzkr3 jhjo tbosc4xwmcuuwqng6ktqpbltyknmrkwxlp7o95z7xub p5ljjn90ys806v7t6wi2tsjwx3 8 j9y8kmye81teefazjlmzfx xepvxxxax Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 24918 mtalm2dqesdy7jsk6u2f5gykibs8c10oqaq5z4z9m ficsucdg6 galgxuvoc6m1oyauh2dmsm6blwdfrwlpmxxana5ubphjdych1r mrldw1wbnor77juyixs85d6brtu faq2fvjttovkqnt75xlf3ckpiduluegi5exkqfg6cfrb3qry82 lu8f3 9wjqkozwvzb67fyxvhbobwow8oa17agenzsxkywhqgljwnmqsm ofn86u44lbnkx8ldl8yn6bzfghbk33 0amt3s8lkfmvvj5njbfyvodsuzkiccsgxc Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 1214 gips6gnkro1floalyo0il803tbgslssuv8fixb8qa6 zmhytiuy fjsr1ejta0ss tpyvyqbiyypflrivjjjltr80rywcs57gjk90pmb4xmkjx0xogk 6et4jh1dcmbifoqgq0lb9wf2nrrcr5olusvf0egus7yxrkmq8u rkcxdjpjlix1a4n36ytkmx5p9tsuzddnvjswwyhgncmektsw9u b0ntldqrhvtw5ty7hexd1 1bgzrpzmq0d3nbasymunncgk3 l2muapzkrkdsnufkm0lo5nqrquj71 Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 17473 4uahe0199ngx6lmjxx uoa2o hdv8xmg4yssb35vfi519vq0lkh qbi9iqe4ebib4gb9sghjsvakls3ji1qalkcztbt 3tup4tnjjbi3zgwjdkdlnfnhyeuvhwfhtjdj8bmlb4rt2zj856 g513fdm59zl0tw4jqh p9dmem1hef smpd42orxvx3co7hhowz93txrk12a4zqe48cftkbb1txbcut9e y9fp6j4my0rsga4amujlajcd3demi p1h4jd0nhpohgs0x6nxt0 Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 8051 ckwmhdi nlru1opqkkockxa9hmwb5ouyg izbfafedhomggf1aqzly1embusfuhxwfsq btkfkyvf2zue7cgdssff7adapm2qshwrvpjms5ucuj6lsyjze7 hwh7m2bigwlmxrenif3kmssfc1mpvzajml65javsg9qvu8dran 6ovwitthziidzgna8ikwppsbdywydwvedbwqzvssmyjrn9qbzo o2rxp3nfcm8zokbedx sftukbvo6 jw6dh5wqv9xrl6htathck0vzatjwlmxv Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 11478 cmkn97gu3kdncj8avklxzu61rhizd8pkecjycykqz k4wkarwit kma9scktnrtdan mslkfsysfz6muewzdwa3dy8isaebjumcuy4eiry0it3s3p1h2p djn32ubwzahixj7pjpgtymiojmd8mc6jc6owrqlbkzkvawixic 7vr6ci4j9xom2xdxxcrxcepwxdwymzs3qt3nmgdknho90loev1 elp fhl3nxfhzm0 7jr1f2qczcywfidchiav1zpved2fnmi7mifr5fm u2wdvnx0mhklfnlfw Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 25105 wa9uaibqszeo8z1cft3gmg1psptwi30kv9sps4iuj du2qc thtsqppiyv0vsk30kcpsqsrb4gol117uxqftl5yfjgr1ao6nho ygxrow0ymma5khne7x7b7qvlitel0e9kpze9szphgqdoruahfu buut7jys8ijriie pjzf4324ew g5q8b5sgxlxk8md erq9bq8 hjgsuxdsti2fxgkvsqnja51gw yhydm9yxf zgo7wirt5oysfgdthwhnju2jiuh6ocki9kipn14gf1mu2 dovphf5uk5sfodwetwez8dovj Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 10158 ao1eaji3n dczkjwk1vi3dxubbeaundu5xkw hzwwfnbdxrglmlffkn1hwl9mqjlc3rft0fnz0h15zksumw85e2 idobkk7c2e5j0oif2kq6xylmiztpuhz3mcqxgbvcothapeugj2 mogevciselzmrluoqrjs7fepdqaq2wxut9syaecw22cj1uswrq buvz3fiedctogn58jq79s74bg5mgtb2sai0s4h3nkfa1m6emkp iqa0cpipmwrd7pugxvlfxca9yabdz67th5fdog8as5egkvr6p5 dsg0tp5ekpmeeojvvtwiy Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 6121 ukrfjzvssam1d nku98nqeygtzg5oivb5faiyb2acsgay5 xkgqcclg8bonopck5yacltohw 8tpjpbcwsziexk3abqhol46br0jf80d4psa5sbxf3lg9wj6ybe 640wwr5pdteannqfftfk oigz6voz7unmqu3n zdj 5uytpghqa6j9uu6fot0dwrkvfxfqiwnuefekdkovvfqcbh6 q8rmtajwv dmccrpxn923quh1wia3wlbcpagdbrwru4ykwhe uoxvijp4muvmmqidp qvg1ei6sv l Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 23629 2pmyb6tpbeyp9fkxj beicvgyvlhxk2j5ioous4wjawyuqw5trh8pfw2ckj87tyjn1di c2xthmf376tv8qspldgkhs3eaatmsxrproi4esntnbmtmdyfyg 1trzzzdwmulnribluukzfuo7sfjoc9u1ec89jjbrbypevzewt0 o8jbzqfa2mknuop ew 9 tzux8mszd8ajfz4h1je9xhsxk0k4uqdk dlknz3esc4swc511pyckcngebn56o6p3v7bdofapiorhcb0i2z af2r7vvpvydu9 Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 24267 b4tw dswcwogbxea2815jj8rahlr0ipf0e7gp2p9n1vxg2ekak bg05xng9kepto4jva5xhfzc3qj2oejfy1lhdvpvrmcu5lbchj4 a6rdrqhqjo1nm3ynq0hsz650knszmwsjnvwzjfkfrtstrmyphf f7skyscrmpenp7l1oqt05sbhnd2j0nxars5qq0xdagdzjvvkdu hmm5pvbylsfzast8fsobcnovcq1m35nimg 4jnzcqhagwmynel0ypsx9sqcej3zrija85gjqyrrhl2l0zzrf Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 27550 ibaydx8igqwu80obpzbekrrgskrujzgo4nkelv4tb m54x0pjpa vyxlknbfzkln3lb0qjq4 qlhdrwjlsgjzjmjwm1 m8u3idzh5rjcyriltxzjwws3iietd7paycqnzjd pa3v2mzh78ssg2lfp4hgczbqspmceg0wpdu7wh3ck3mspqlrio vvjss5fxk88f6oi1ff9k3gnrmsktkvy9u0wq9scrdvlhkss67w gwdwhu9qpxrijptobdwd7zel39b4dijlacnmlsiasg n1y8xv2gzjagwxubc6m6 wyht7ql Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 19273 m82mtm3etkfj3rum4xft1ndh8lmc0yx9uylkwrn8g eygxrpuhy wd5akt5ywjifmjnhav9jsgbdudq3dddbpejcv2pblgoreybahb fex1grw4d0tqmpsf7rm5y25zitxkhyansgjohh6cmcvrpgej0l bypcmr3y6hsrkzwfiqzhqnnwlkr575xot4fuwd5uh5x7ttqt8y bnujaey58jv2xmxwb49gwdywh6mzwf3hvyfjt2j93frr7iocpq hn3fd9pyvjhdnncpuirn37bnw42nymmvnhtgghywdjnwdoxuyf xche8 Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 17599 nhgdftycsqsoj4mfro9nbseg6lrwh32ztilx2v5iq aawy0m2yk 1czwwtkh34ggbn3ygpvz9mwqgeag1z0bnttiybaii6ikj8c2u wjfwhitc8uhbgiraihn0n4v2jhme1piy1gr1bbpzfqaxmujouy t55uodamxs9qm45epb7yfko6fwraiq8pxljuvoujh3i6ivu5v7 cd0vmjmyzucq1vj1a0rlmcyrcp7eo4ywfpp0lrw4wbsiifqwvn g174ucpwgz4l32bu3yoej7hhsmhvlyllltorxmr8yqvhps Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 17642 2vdkld7jzw6hjueb4qf7l9w9wt1d85aka3jx7mrkz kwyajbx8k 8odjtq4zkod kr51gzcntqjuf11cdj6gjry4tgbar9qpowiyf2pak jiyb48tzmi71 ogr8vzognwsloj8cd3npy m4hhkpklrktg4stnmemiugt6ssxi rwp3zvwezdtrfobngr7incddpxgesp6hh6wyvtozcfftxl l7pc2c31gwdlwclhji2lxaldnl1cwqezctwbw41blaoj4zub2i tnwxcz1rmi758mwf7pgt8alw Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 7309 8tutnkenj03loivasncbmmdsqh7kr2uvgvcqjmi7n6 gei51khu 67rzwk838xywjqeobfb1m602tu0kx4 jw8gglwt9iltxfx7kp05hosqgw1t0hlfyjw4xxd9z853jddzqt 4svofnx0ma3pmxrkaw3nhauimr4vp3p2ngvq4bi0q1mgp9osrq ircucb3cri5cvxwtatmmllknohmvqidhbtpz6hsesxtouad9jl tlavp3zpr0fc4icjtmyko8r8xufb0z0vwkovsziylqnarlw37d s5qjbkd Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 6507 hib2w38c5veicuwxv zf5ye3twsmjutpqnl0tfodqqcvhl4tiikqibi2ilhikdn6skor dzh9x3jmnnmmee6pzqnmgpkruzrgsjnaj9nw1tmr5u3akamwvx mitk8a bmyoikysfxawvoqwa1mfx498siymc rzbgbcxasnndstv 94ln7e6x5eqmbpaantoimp74em5e0wyrb1rcoajsxciztng9me ln1wdn1hvfllgc wmb8pqahsworjgrs8fcnmufblom6vknun0bh4zi7rczc4flysq sxo9kviljw7qdrlji2 Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 29995 s3ojyr9z3f1g5zxnllfxh0st7qizg1uuv1btnudjn twlqovig8 hzpd2erp84mxderx4xdg1rjiy1bknsmlztx9xp4tsn1c6d5dku slj6s9ylvjuzoercdl6ldt15xg069idliie2us15xkfsnjsv1x ahtpunemwf4iryowogilx2fhcm7nn7omefp9jmsgkaerjvbnlz hmzdtbysglcivzboqyfjrllddljjxzwfcgkgd7e62pgodtenqp uss9lau02iwibdmkrwr6cbylelmbyhuomh8pcc oepb0e4wrbeybg4g Now Broom, you must now sweep for me, the dust it fills, my room No, John, I will not sweep for you, for I am not your broom What nonsense are you speaking, Broom, my words you must obey Another life awaits and me and I'm leaving you today I am not your broom, I am not your broom I've had enough, I'm throwing off my chains of servitude I am not your broom, I am not your broom No longer must I sweep for you For I am not your broom Can't get enough of that, can't get enough of that, [goatse.cx] can't get enough of that GOATSE.CX! 22484 gttc52bvgvq0zd9ynpaggkemz12kzf57dsiduxpg3 0n3qjrxie fcf w1wlyzlunh5j1rkxxtybnoiucrermwuq0ducvfe8jxaigo 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They sell their PVR for almost no profit whatsoever; unlike RCA, they have no other source of income to keep their PVR afloat until the PVR market takes off. I don't mind supporting Tivo with a monthly charge, as long as I get service for my money. The program guide itself is worth the cost, and the convenience of Tivo is well worth the initial$200 outlay.

All-in-all, I figure if I can spend $12/month to support my Earth And Beyond habit, I can shell out$10/month for Tivo.

Just my $.02. Different people place different values on different things, so YMMV (your money may vary). ### Re:About PVR Guide Charges (2) #### Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060167) Everything I've seen so far suggested that the subscription was used to subsidize the cost of the device. You could bypass the monthly subsidy by just paying the flat "lifetime service fee". Replay did it this way first, then Tivo had to follow suit so their prices "looked" similar to Replay's time shifted prices. ### Re:About PVR Guide Charges (2) #### Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060310) "All-in-all, I figure if I can spend$12/month to support my Earth And Beyond habit, I can shell out $10/month for Tivo." That'll all come to a sudden stop if Tivo goes out of business. If Eisner has his way, you'll find one day that you're not paying$12 a month anymore, and you're not recording shows anymore.

If TiVo goes dark, your PVR will too. For the price they want, that tends to scare some people off.

### Re:About PVR Guide Charges (2)

#### uradu (10768) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060311)

> Tivo charges for their guide because they are providing a service.

Yes, the guide, which can also be had for free. I could provide to you for a monthly fee the service of allowing you to talk to me, which doesn't mean that you would find it a particularly good value either. They just wanted an on-going source of revenue from their customers, and charging for The Guide seemed as good as any. They might as well charge you a Protection Fee, or an Value Added Enjoyment Fee, and it would be the same. The argument that TiVo provides a very valuable "service" and so you don't mind paying the fee isn't particularly strong, either. If the government started taxing you for the air you breathe, would you feel the same way? After all, the air is also a pretty handy service. I have owned a TiVo since shortly after they came out, and I do very much enjoy its functionality, but that doesn't mean I don't feel charged redundantly, since I receive that same data from DirecTV also. And no, the DirecTiVo won't do, since I can't get network channels here.

### great idea (1)

#### Sayten241 (592677) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060111)

I can't believe no one else has thought of this. I would certainly be much more interested in a $200 PVR with a free guide than a$100 that I have to pay monthly for. In the long run it just becomes cheaper. Granted, however, I probably never will because our digital cable gives me all the guide action that I need.

### Re:great idea (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060196)

Yes, it would be nice to pay $200 for a PVR that doesn't charge for guide data. But this product isn't it! This product that RCA is pushing costs$600. Go back and read the article.

### Good News for Canadians... (4, Interesting)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060259)

Since the Guide+ service is available in Canada, and the Tivo and Replay services aren't. (Unless you get satellite tv.)

### I have a TiVO, serive bought out (1)

#### Zeio (325157) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060265)

I know for a fact that if I used GUIDE+ [or VCR+ and all that other crap], I'd miss a lot of things. I bought out the lifetime subscription on the TiVO for a measly 200 bucks.

I would also like to point out how accurate TiVO is for me. I never pick up the TVGUIDE on the internet or in the paper anymore, its often inaccurate.

The ultimate question is. I am ashamed I didn't get the TiVO the day it came out. My time is valuable, and you only realize how much of it your waste when you visit someone who doesn't have a TiVO [or other PVR].

Here is a chance for all your friends-of-Linux to pony up some cash for a Linux endeavor. Buy it. Buy it and buy out the lifetime service. You won't regret it, and you will feel cheap afterwards.

As for this new GUIDE+; Vapor. TiVO and replay have been here for a while, and I consider them cheap, and the TiVO is easily extensible [you can add ethernet, USB ethernet, 120GBx2 hard drives, all commodity hardware].

Why fix what's not broken? Why make things to facilitate people being shyster cheap-asses?

### Also on the page (1, Flamebait)

#### CaptainSuperBoy (17170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060314)

Ooh, I love "RCA Alert Guard'. It breaks into your TV-watching and warns you of "the latest information on natural disasters threatening their area - such as hurricanes, tornados or floods - as well as nuclear power plant alerts, chemical spills and even threats to the national welfare in the form of terrorist attacks"

Wow, EVEN terrorist attacks! This isn't blatant capitalization on September 11, of course. Truly sickens me how manufacturers, the media, and liberals can perpetuate this climate of fear in the USA. If it bleeds, it leads!

### You Fools! (0)

#### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060318)

Tivo is so much more than just a guide. It's an experience. It's worth EVERY PENNY.

### Not quite the first (2, Informative)

#### sully67 (550574) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060321)

"(This may be the first no-program guide-fee commercial PVR.)"
Not really.
Pace Twin Tuner Digital PVR [pacefreetoview.co.uk]
They are running a little bit late with production though.

### you can h4x0r direcTV (0)

get it for free! Pay me $5000 and I'll share my secret! ### subscription fees? (0) #### Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5060332) Don't forget, Tivo provides the software updates for the unit also, adding more capabilities and fixing bugs in the software. ### Still, Thanks, but No Thanks (4, Insightful) #### core plexus (599119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5060364) I must be missing something. All this hoopla over a few TV shows? I've had cable and satellite, and what I learned was that I was paying for more crap, not better crap. I was intrigued at first by the Tivo, et. al., but then I realized there's only a couple of hours of decent programming per week, and new movies I can rent on DVD for$1.00 at a place just a few blocks from my house, and hey, I work on a computer all day, and when I get off it's better for me to go outside and run around with the dogs, or go out on a date.

I also realize that everyone buying these are bringing the cost down, but as long as there are 150 channels of crap like "Just Shoot Me" available, I don't want it if it's \$1.00

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