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Look it moved (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072504)

So it can't be completely dead!

No! Kill it! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072549)

Who cares if it says it's not dead yet? We have a quota to meet!

Re:No! Kill it! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072658)

Is that a Monty Python reference? "I feel happy! I feel happy -- PLONK"

Stephan Hawking, dead at 58 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072859)

I just heard the sad news on the interweb superhighway, reviled parapalygic adulterer and gangsta rapper Stephen "M.C." Hawking was found dead in his Cambridge crib early this morning. Funkmaster Hawking apparently died due to multiple gunshots to the head. His assistant is being held by Scotland Yard for questioning.

You may not have understood the deep cosmological significance of "A Brief History of Rhyme", but there is not denying his crucial role in the establishment of gangsta cosmology. Truly a geniusly depraved English pervert, he will be missed.

Re:Look it moved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072568)

uh.. you're aware that they plan releases long in advance, right? its not a "HEY WE NEED GEEK POINTS FROM THE SLASHDOT CROWD LETS MAKE A RELEASE!@#$!%" situation.

oh wait, i mean LINUX RAWKS.

Debian (1, Troll)

koinu (472851) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072690)

Debian is dead. It's not moving at all.
We are getting one release in 2 years.

FreeBSD has released 4.7 on October 10th, so they are moving very fast, in my opinion.

Re:Look it moved (1)

spencerogden (49254) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073124)

'Ere. He says he's not dead!
Yes, he is.
I'm not!
He isn't?
Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.
I'm getting better!
No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.

credit to http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/HolyGrail /grail.htm

hurra (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072512)

first post

YOU FAIL IT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072871)

N0 FP 4 J00. U R A L4M3R!!

Correction (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072539)

headline should be:

FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 Now Dying

talk about beating a dead horse.

*BSD Vs. Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072553)

I've used Linux for a while now, and wonder how it compares to the *BSDs.

So... how does it compare? More / less reliable? Easier to use? Etc?

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072584)

its far more intuitive in the gui, and has better graphics for a start

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (1)

The_DOD_player (640135) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072745)

Better GUI?

..well both use KDE and Gnome.. Ive seen a couple of both FreeBSD and Linux systems now, and cant really tell the difference between KDE on FreeBSD or Linux.

Most programs installed with ./configure, make, make install will run just fine with *BSD. The major problem with *BSD is the lack of closed source software. In particular Java is a problem.

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5073202)

YHBT, my friend.

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072612)

Common question, what you will hear:

1. BSD can do everything Linux can do

2. Better server OS though in recent years linux has greatly caught up

3. Not as good on the desktop on Linux

4. FreeBSD ports system is better than anything linux offers

5. Not as good hardware support on FreeBSD as Linux, or games.

6. I think FreeBSD is easier to install(others think I am crazy)

7. Java sucks on FreeBSD

7. BSD is dead

I switched from linux to FreeBSD and prefer FreeBSD so take my comments with a grain of salt.

Since I don;t want to label a linux-haters and watch my karma drop like a rock, I'm posting ac

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072678)

4. FreeBSD ports system is better than anything linux offers

Tried gentoo?

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (2, Insightful)

Strog (129969) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072765)

Gentoo looks good but still has a ways to go to catch up to FreeBSD. It will get better as more people work out their ports and the port system. There are more people all the time so maybe it won't be terribly long. I think they will suffer a bit like Mandrake if they stay too much on the bleeding edge of things with the main releases. Mandrake learned to back off a bit on releases and still keep bleeding edge going with Cooker. Gentoo will be good if they realize it and will avoid some of the black eyes Mandrake took before they did.

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (2, Informative)

gomerbud (117904) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072929)

I will never consider using Gentoo again until they bump the ebuild version when a change is made to the ebuild script. This lack of versioning is disgusting and can be the cause of serious problems. Use FreeBSD. They bump the patch version of a port when any change is made to the Makefile.

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (2)

Synn (6288) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073288)

Here's Gentoo's exact policy on this:

Package revision numbers should be incremented by Gentoo Linux developers when the ebuild has changed to the point where users would want to upgrade. Typically, this is the case when fixes are made to an ebuild that affect the resultant installed files, but the ebuild uses the same source tarball as the previous release. If you make an internal, stylistic change to the ebuild that does not change any of the installed files, then there is no need to bump the revision number. Likewise, if you fix a compilation problem in the ebuild that was affecting some users, there is no need to bump the revision number, since those for whom it worked perfectly would see no benefit in installing a new revision, and those who experienced the problem do not have the package installed (since compilation failed) and thus have no need for the new revision number to force an upgrade.

Gentoo bumps ebuild versions, just not for style changes.

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (1)

MamasGun (602953) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072717)

3a.)Some people think that FreeBSD actually performs better on the desktop than Linux. From personal experience, I am in this camp. However, Linux is EASIER on the desktop...it doesn't require the same amount of tweaking that FreeBSD on the desktop does. However, the rewards of all that tweaking are amazing. Also: a non-optimized FreeBSD install can be passed between two machines with disparate equipment without problems. Just did it recently. A HD originally set up on a 733MHz PIII was transfered to a 180MHz Pentium Pro box without bad consequences. However, once you recompile the kernel from Generic, it's a different story...

7a.) You have two entries under "7.)" ;-)

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (1)

tgreiner (107912) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072982)

7. Java sucks on FreeBSD

Both Sun Linux JDK 1.3.1 and 1.4.1 run very well under 5.0. I'm using JBoss, ant and a lot of JFC/Swing stuff.

7. BSD is dead

Shouldn't that be '8. BSD is dead' ?

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (5, Informative)

big_groo (237634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073006)

6. I think FreeBSD is easier to install(others think I am crazy)

As a relative noob here, I have to say that I've found the exact same thing. I've tried Redhat, Mandrake, Debian, Slackware(fav. linux distro - since 4.0) Caldera and SuSE. After trying all these, I found that the BSD install just makes sense (and talk about your options!!) Kind of like Slackware.

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (5, Informative)

Test Drive (236441) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072736)

FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD are available for you to try out in the HP Test Drive Program [hp.com]. We also have several Linux distributions available for you to try, as well as HP-UX, Tru64 UNIX, and OpenVMS. Personally, I've found the *BSDs to be quite stable and easy to comprehend. Try them out for yourself in Test Drive [hp.com] and see what you think.

I may work for HP, but I don't speak for them.

Re:*BSD Vs. Ninnle Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5073266)

Comparison tests show that Ninnle Linux is more stable, more configurable, more user friendly than any of the other Linux distros, and definitely better than any of the BSDs. Try Ninnle today!

Re:*BSD Vs. Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5073297)

well, for servers the BSD's and Linux are about the same with a slight edge in performance going to *BSD, but if you want support (paid), you'd best stick with RedHat or even Suse Linux.

On the desktop of course, I wouldn't use *BSD or Linux. Windows 2000/XP and Mac OS X blows them away in terms of hardware compatability and easier to use GUI.

Subway. eat fresh? (-1)

Trolling Stones (587878) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072577)

Ok, so I need a new trolling gimmick. Any ideas? It should still revolve around subway, but I need a fresh outlook, fresh like the subway subs, if you will.

UDF Support (3, Interesting)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072604)


Now I don't have to copy my clients Adaptec DirectCD's to the network on a Windows machine before I can use them.

Why people mail me $3 CDRW's instead of $0.03 CDR's I'll never know.

Re:UDF Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5073168)

Why people mail me $3 CDRW's instead of $0.03 CDR's I'll never know.

Over the course of a job I was working on - the client sent me 6 Zip disks.

I understand keeping your drive around to read the occasional disk. But to be actively sending out stuff on $10 media is crazy.

They're not expecting them back either - but what do I want with them?

In Soviet Russia.. (-1, Offtopic)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072611)

In Soviet Russia, BSD is alive.

Re:In Soviet Russia.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072789)

I is thinkink you are meanink:

In Soviet Russia, *BSD say "You are dyink!"

In one week... (1)

koinu (472851) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072613)

... we can celebrate the FreeBSD-5.0 release.

Yay! Finally! FreeBSD rules!

Re:In one week... (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072664)

I just don't understand why they are doing this. According to several reliable sources right here at Slashdot, BSD is dead. Is my information wrong. So maybe Steven King is still alive too, and hopfully all my arn't belong to them.

Who says that? (3, Interesting)

koinu (472851) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072749)

Your reliable sources are not so reliable, it seems. FreeBSD is not dead and never was, because it has much which other Unixes/Linuxes don't offer.

I hope you know that Mac OS-X is based on a modified FreeBSD kernel. I like FreeBSD and I am using it as a desktop system. I don't need Linux, because it's emulated here ("emulation" means "emulation which works", not like Wine or stuff like that)

Re:Who says that? (2, Informative)

gomerbud (117904) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072976)

I hope you know that Mac OS-X is based on a modified FreeBSD kernel.

Mac OS X uses the FreeBSD userland. The kernel is Mach with a BSD API layer on top of it.

Are we sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072621)

Are we sure this isn't just one of those after death body twitches? Sure, the person may be dead but they're still moving!

Jokes aside, I need to give FreeBSD another shot. I liked it when I used it, I just didn't have the time to play around with it.

Excellent System (5, Interesting)

martinmcc (214402) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072625)

I've just changed my Desktop OS from Mandrake to FreeBSD - I'd been running FreeBSD as my server OS for a few years now and have always been impressed by its stability (NEVER had a crash) and ease of configuration. I was unsure about it as a desktop system since in that I want something that just works without any fuss, and Mandrake seemed to do the job. After 4 hours I had FreeBSD running kde with kdm, my mail/news/browsers, sound etc. all set up and working without any touble at all. All I have left is to get my scroll mouse working and I have everything I need, and I am confident I will have much less problems then with Mandrake (a fair few crashes and awkward to troubleshoot).

I would now recommend FreeBSD as the unix of choice for any purpose, it may not have a fancy graphical install program, but you will really appreciate this simplicity when you come to make changes/ do something a little out of the ordinary.

My OS catagories -

Windows XX - For the clueless masses, and often a neccassary evil (esp. games)
Linux Mandrake - Good when it is good (i.e. installs without a problem and no strange configurations), but a hog to troubleshoot.
FreeBSD - The king of server OS's, and by the look of things a great Desktop system.

Re:Excellent System (4, Interesting)

marvin (5198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072695)

FreeBSD is king on uniprocessor server or workstation. Even 5.0 SMP support is too young to be
compared to Linux.

Re:Excellent System (5, Informative)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072798)

Edit in rc.conf:


moused_flags="-z 4"



In your XF86Config:

Section "InputDevice"

Identifier "Mouse0"

Option "Protocol" "auto"

Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"

Option "Buttons" "5"


That's my setup in 4.7-RELEASE with an MS Optical. Should be generic though.

Re:Excellent System (5, Interesting)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072924)

Linux Mandrake - Good when it is good (i.e. installs without a problem and no strange configurations), but a hog to troubleshoot.

This is what keeps Mandrake from being a great OS -- desktop, server, or otherwise. If something doesn't come out of the box from Mandrakesoft, you can pretty much forget about it. I have moved every machine that once had MDK to something more, er, alterable like Debian or FreeBSD (which really shines in the turning-old-machines-into-dedicated-servers department).

Re:Excellent System (3, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073138)

I would now recommend FreeBSD as the unix of choice for any purpose, it may not have a fancy graphical install program, but you will really appreciate this simplicity when you come to make changes/ do something a little out of the ordinary.

Well no offence but I hope you don't recommend it to newbies. I've had friends tell me Linux was still in the dark ages because it lacked a friendly install program and they couldn't figure out how to configure it. It turned out some smartass had recommended Debian because "it's so cool, everyone uses Debian, and it's free", ignoring the fact that newbies want simplicity perhaps at the expense of reliability.

Re:Excellent System (2)

essdodson (466448) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073265)

It may not be graphical, but after no more than an hour or two I was very comfortable with installing packages. I've not looked back to the package hell that's associated with rpms since.

Still a few gotchas (1)

TheCrazyFinn (539383) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072641)

There's still a few gotchas in this one. Wait for the Release if you need stability.

Barring any nasty bugs, 5.0-Release may show up this week.

Re:Still a few gotchas (2)

shlong (121504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073253)

What are the gotchas? Should I put something on the release TODO list? Very little is changing from RC3 to 5.0R, so I'd like to know if you have actual information here.

Great! (3, Informative)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072655)

Really looking to 5.0-RELEASE, which is getting quite close now. FreeBSD really is a nice OS> I'd really encourage all linux users to give it a try!

Insider scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072674)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best.
Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt

FreeBSD project has matured (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072743)

has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics

In other words, the project has matured and begun to turn into a real software engineering project.

Maybe there is still hope. Maybe BSD is not dying afterall, but just transforming into a more professional product.

Dr. Laura and my cock (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072677)

Mmm... this morning I woke up with an erection and for some reason felt an overpowering desire to sink my mighty penis inside Dr. Laura's hot, moist and homophobic cunt with a one swift stroke and to hear her whimper both in pleasure and pain.

I am a bit ashamed of it, but before getting up I actually masturbated thinking of Dr. Laura.

Re:Dr. Laura and my cock (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072699)

you sick fuck....oh well i suppose it coulda been worse....coulda been dreaming of slashdot mods

Re:Dr. Laura and my cock (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072719)

Yeah. Or yet another bitch extraordinaire, namely Ann Coulter. She's at least good looking.

Re:Dr. Laura and my cock (0, Offtopic)

DoctorPepper (92269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073173)

I don't know, she doesn't seem to have very much meat on her bones. She looks rather like a stick.

FreeBSD Install Process (3, Interesting)

indyracing (640777) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072712)

I have used FreeBSD in past and like it, but have usually chosen Red Hat because in my opinion it is a lot easier to install and get configured. Hopefully they have improved on this for 5.0. Has anyone who has tried the RC noticed any changes in this arena?

Re:FreeBSD Install Process (3, Informative)

lactose99 (71132) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072943)

The installer is very similar to that of 4.7, which is probably not as easy to setup as RedHat is. FreeBSD still requires you to know a bit about what hardware is installed, and how you want the system to function (disk partitioning, package installation, user creation, X setup are all still a manual process within the installer).

That being said, I still find it quite easy to install and it works great on newer hardware (FINALLY!! CardBus and ACPI support). Besides, I still think the ports tree is perhaps the easiest and most complete package management system around, light-years ahead of RPM.

Re:FreeBSD Install Process (1)

indyracing (640777) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073239)

Glad to hear that about the hardware support. I usually had to look for some custom drivers or buy new hardware just to get FreeBSD support. Looks like it may be time to give it another shot!

Why do people always choose "Expert-Installation"? (1)

koinu (472851) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073045)

If you ARE NOT an expert, don't touch the "Custom installation"! People often cannot admit that they are newbies when configuring a system. Please choose "Standard" or at least read the FreeBSD Handbook. You NEED the FreeBSD Handbook, because it's a great document.

Use simple installation (default) and the installation is very easy. The installer mostly suggest correct settings and you don't need to do much except pressing .

The installation of 5.0-RC2 is almost equal to 4.7-stable. In my opinion the installation phase is not meant to have a complete system after it finishes. It is only for having a basic environment for adapting everything. Almost everyone will want to recompile the kernel and install further software from the ports collection.

You can't fool us (1, Troll)

R.Caley (126968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072721)

Since /. didn't announce it prematurely, it can't be for real.

Re:You can't fool us (3, Funny)

Strog (129969) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073172)

This is the premature announcement. Please wait for the following before trying to download.

"FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 NOT ready yet. Sorry."

"I'm downloading FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 now, wait, this is really RC2"

"FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 finally released"

Java integration just rocks! (5, Interesting)

Spotless Tiger (467911) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072725)

From the changelog:
1/10/2003: Integrated Java VM into kernel and replaced /usr/bin and /bin with keithw's java byte-code versions. Platform independence, here we come!
This is great news, although as I understand it, this doesn't mean Java itself is integrated, just the byte-code JVM part of the thing. /bin/sh, for example, uses BSD type calls, but it's compiled Java byte code (using jgcc) rather than i386 code.

And this is great because it's a start on making binary formats less of an issue. Sure, there's always going to be those who want the fastest versions of, say, "rm", but for the rest of us, being able to compile something on one system and then just move it across anywhere will help tremendously.

Does anyone know if the OpenBSD and NetBSD projects are doing anything similar?

Re:Java integration just rocks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072901)

Now THAT is innovation.

Damn. Now I can't say anymore that open source projects do not innovate (and I am not being sarcastic).

If we only could have GUI integrated to the kernel...

Re:Java integration just rocks! (1)

DoctorPepper (92269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073102)

If we only could have GUI integrated to the kernel...

We'd be running Windows, you dummy!

Re:Java integration just rocks! (2, Insightful)

stef0x77 (529972) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073034)

Ha ha! What's with the moderators today? Ummm, can you say "troll"?

Where are you getting your (dis)information? Provide links or don't start rumors.

Re:Java integration just rocks! (2)

ostiguy (63618) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073131)

I would strongly bet against openbsd ever putting java in the base system, as I am 99.9% certain it won't ever come near their open and free requirements.

Re:Java integration just rocks! (5, Funny)

jandrese (485) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073210)

You forgot to include the second bullet point:
  • 1/10/2003: Dropped floppy based installer for CD only approach to accomodate the extra 55MB of compressed kernel needed for boot.
  • 1/10/2003: Upped minimum requirements from a 386 with 5MB of ram to a Pentium II-400 with 64MB of ram, 128MB of ram if you want to run X.
  • 1/10/2003: Upped minimum reccomended size of root partition to 1 GB to fit new kernel and associated files
  • 1/10/2003: Redirected FreeBSD download page to Sun's site. Users wishing to download FreeBSD will need to click through badly worded and or hidden links on 5 different pages, sign up twice, and click through at least three liceneses, then do it all again for the patch set.

Java? (2)

kwerle (39371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072740)

What happened to the Java Distribution that was supposed to ship with FreeBSD 4.5?

Yes I know you can run the linux one, and yes, I know that you can build the 'native' one, but it's a royal pain in the ass. The point was that FreeBSD was going to ship with a version - what happened?

Re:Java? (1)

questionlp (58365) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073100)

I believe the FreeBSD Java team are still trying to get the Java implementation to be given the nod by Sun before it can be distributed by the team.

Until then, we're kind of stuck with installing the Linux version before we can install the "native" port with patch kits.

Re:Java? (2)

essdodson (466448) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073307)

It's still pretty much a pain. However recently I've never had a problem building and installing the FreeBSD native jdk. Only problem is that its the 1.3.1 jdk which is quite old now. However, there's really no reason not to run the Linux binary.

been running it since last night (4, Interesting)

Leimy (6717) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072759)

when I compiled it on RC2.. So far pretty nice.. I think we might need another RC before it goes into release status though. I have had some header file issues when compiling stuff like kdenetwork.


Question about upgrading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5073179)

Hi, I have heard that FreeBSD is easy to upgrade by downloading/compiling the latest ports. Okay, that seems well and fine for software packages, but what about the entire FreeBSD system? Does a "make world" upgrade from FreeBSD 4.3 to 5.0, for example?

That is, what defines a FreeBSD release between 4.3 and 5.0, is it only the relative versions of the software installed, or is there something else, like format of files in /etc/rc.d or similar?

BTW, I'm not a FreeBSD user, so if these questions don't make sense, please forgive. thanks.

Re:been running it since last night (3, Informative)

shlong (121504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073270)

The problems with compiling kdenetwork seem to be fixed in RC3. The full kde suite is also available as an install option now, so there is no need to compile it.

RCs seem to be immune to slashdotting ! (3, Interesting)

skrowl (100307) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072769)

Unlike full releases, RCs seem to be immune to slashdotting! I'm currently pulling over 200K from a Canadian (eh!) FTP mirror site. The day of the last full release, you were lucky to pull over 5 K from ANYWHERE.

Re:RCs seem to be immune to slashdotting ! (1)

TheCrazyFinn (539383) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072938)

Umm, ftp.ca.freebsd.org is a CNAME to ftp.freebsd.org

There currently isn't a Canadian Mirror for FreeBSD.

Re:RCs seem to be immune to slashdotting ! (1, Flamebait)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073280)

Maybe that's just a clear sign that BSD is dying? Alot less demand than a linux distro announcement would create....

Watch out. SCO might sue you! (5, Funny)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072791)

After all, you're an OS that runs on a computer. They have a patent for that you know!

Re:Watch out. SCO might sue you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072854)

I'm not an OS, I'm an Anonymous Coward, you can't sue me

A more elegant means to acquire upgrades? (1, Flamebait)

uncleFester (29998) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072796)

If someone is able, please enlighten me...

I'm starting to become a little frustrated with having to download new ISOs every time an update comes around; examples readily springing to mind are deadRat and FreeBSD. I'm trying out all these things to obtain a better Unix/Linux Background.

I also use 2-3 distros that are a more piecemeal download structure: Gentoo, Debian & Slack. Slack, in particular, is what I'm most familiar with. When a change is made to the Slack9 (slack-current) layout I simply pull the CHANGES via rsync and then build my own isos: thus, I'm not overly wasting bandwidth.

Is there a similar process for other distros, notably Mandrake, SuSE, RHat & *BSD? Or do I have to roll my own for this stuff?


Re:A more elegant means to acquire upgrades? (3, Informative)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072843)

Look into doing a make world in FreeBSD. This is s omewhat involved process, but after a few hours of compiling and and building a new kernel, a bit of luck, and a reboot, and you'll be running the release of your choice. This is covered in great detail in the excellent FreeBSD handbook.

Re:A more elegant means to acquire upgrades? (3, Informative)

MalHavoc (590724) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072862)

What you seek is cvsup:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books /h andbook/synching.html

You create your cvsup config file, and then run the command line cvsup app. It polls a CVS server and downloads the source tree you want into /usr/src, typically. Then you can go about your make buildworld/make buildkernel/make installworld/make installkernel process (documented in /usr/src/UPDATING), and you're golden.

Re:A more elegant means to acquire upgrades? (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072909)

I don't even bother with any of that. I start with a Slackware basic install, just to get linux on my machine, then upgrade/install what I need from the source tarballs.

I just set up a machine over the weekend, just installed enough from the slackware disc to get a command prompt, then compiled the latest kernel/mods, samba and squid on my 'compiling' linux machine, then copied over the binaries and configurated them.

I generally use linux in fileserver/router/firewall/proxy types of situations, and have never tried to run it on a desktop. Which would be a big hassle if I wanted to keep a myriad of little apps up to date.

I've no doubt the difficulties/inconsistancies of upgrading the various distributions is a big factor keeping the masses on windows.

Re:A more elegant means to acquire upgrades? (3, Interesting)

koinu (472851) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072915)

If you know Gentoo, you should know that FreeBSD is also build from sources.

Check the FreeBSD Handbook section 21 about how to keeping the system up-to-date (e.g. cvsup). The "make world"-approach works fine and resolves all troubles by merging your existing configuration files with new configuration files (mergemaster).
Many people write their own scripts to control the compilation/merging process.

Re:A more elegant means to acquire upgrades? (1)

ahertz (68721) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072917)

Sure, FreeBSD makes it easy to do an upgrade. You have to compile everything from source, but that only takes a few hours.

For more information, check out Chapter 21 [freebsd.org] of the FreeBSD Handbook [freebsd.org].

Re:A more elegant means to acquire upgrades? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5073004)

And if you don't want to "make world" you can always download the two floppy images (or the 2.88MB one and burn it to CD which is what I usually do if I want an install media), boot off it, run sysinstall and do a binary upgrade through the network.

Yeah, sure it is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5072830)

Like I'm going to fall for this a second time.

if_awi.ko not found ? (2)

rainer_d (115765) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072891)


I can't boot my laptop with the RC2 and RC3 floppies, because it claims it cannot find said module.
The install hangs at this point.
(in a late stage of probing, after having found the network-card etc.)

4.7 runs OK.

I feel like such an old fogey (5, Insightful)

AssFace (118098) | more than 11 years ago | (#5072958)

(however one spells "fogey")

I can recall my days in college where I would always install the newest, latest and greatest stuff on my pc and then learn it and think I was cool... well, I don't know if I ever thought I was cool.

but nowadays I'm constantly just thinking "why should I upgrade? this stuff works just fine for me the way it is now!"

I think it is because I'm more business minded now and the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality has an effect on costs in that world.

after reading through what is new in FreeBSD 5, I see no reason for me to change. it looks like things that I don't have much need for in my world.
4.whatever works just dandy for me.

Expecting the Weekly Linux-BSD Inquisition (2, Insightful)

n9fzx (128488) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073081)

Before posting yet another Linux-is-ghod rant, why not consider this: We are all so lucky to have more than one freeware Unix to choose from. That choice provides the needed competition to force both variants to improve in meaningful ways.

Without that competition, Unix would eventually stagnate. Or worse, innovation would be driven into the same kind of useless creeping featurism we've come to expect from the folks in Redmond.

FreeBSD's threading and MySQL? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5073207)

So does MySQL under 5.0-RC3 use native threading and are those threads efficient enough that large shops can move back from Linux to FreeBSD on their MySQL servers? We use FreeBSD almost exclusively except for on our multi-CPU SMP MySQL database servers where FreeBSD just couldn't deliver due to threading inefficiencies. We would LOVE to move back to FreeBSD since systems maintenance is very easy and it would also mean having a uniform OS on all our servers.

I think this can teach everyone a valuable lesson (2, Insightful)

plazman30 (531348) | more than 11 years ago | (#5073258)

No open source project is dead as long as there is ONE hacker out there willing to hack on it. Everyone has been screaming FreeBSD is dead for a long time now and guess what? Here comes 5.0. The success of an open source project is not measure by it's use, but by whether or not someone is still willing to hack on it.

FreeBSD and the KDE startup times. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5073302)

I'm going to reinstall my OS the next week, and am chosing between FreeBSD and Linux. I've run Linux for a while and would like to try out FreeBSD. However, my machine is a bit old (P2/400 256 ram) and so the startup speeds of KDE applications are important to me.

In Linux, KDE startup speeds have been improved recently with gcc 3.x, new ld.so in latest glibc, and the objprelink-stuff. How is FreeBSD doing here? Has similiar things been done to the FreeBSD compiler chain to speed up C++ linking times?

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