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MandrakeSoft Files for Bankruptcy Protection

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the goodwill-not-enough-to-live-on dept.

Mandriva 495

An anonymous reader writes "It's official: MandrakeSoft has filed a 'declaration de cessation des paiements' - the French equivalent of a U.S. Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing. From a statement issued by the company: 'This reorganization of liabilities enables MandrakeSoft to continue its current operations, which are showing increases in revenue and significant decreases in expenses. MandrakeSoft's strategic partners are supporting the company in this process and the MandrakeSoft team is focused on continuing to deliver high quality services and products to its customers.' Best wishes to MandrakeSoft as they work through this process."

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first linux sucks post? (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088865)

Linux is deader than BSD.

And all I can say is good riddance (0, Troll)

ikewillis (586793) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088869)

Yes, Mandrake, the distro which brought us a horribly hacked SYSLINUX, hacked so poorly the author publicly denounced it on his web page. The distro that brought us aurora, the gimpy graphical bootloader supposed to hide all those scary startup messages behind a confused looking cross eyed penguin. The distro with the gimpy ANSI art in /etc/issue The distro which the previous admin saw fit to deploy on my network, even though it's an administrative and security nightmare. Well, let me be the first to ask... how was MandrakeSoft expecting to make money? Anyone? Anyone?

Re:And all I can say is good riddance (1, Redundant)

Eric Damron (553630) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088970)

Do you even have a clue? Mandrake a "security nightmare?" Mandrake is no worse than any other distro and probably better than most. It has several levels of security from wide open to very closed.

Get a clue, buy a vowel or something...

Re:And all I can say is good riddance (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089015)

Umm . . . you mean the distro that's willing to try different things? To support diverse development? To suppport internationalisation? To provide the best KDE implementation? To provide a great user forum and widespread user participation? To provide an easy-to-administer and update Linux distro for anyone with a brain? Oh yeah, THAT Mandrake . . .

Re:And all I can say is good riddance (5, Insightful)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089051)

I have to admit I don't understand this post. I figure it is either a troll, or someone is just venting his/her anger.

Obviously this is a person who knows something about OSS, since he's complaining about what Mandrake did to SYSLINUX, but his last statement: how was MandrakeSoft expecting to make money? Anyone? Anyone? seems to be a clear declaration that he does not understand the open source business model.

People may not like Mandrake -- I've noticed the more someone pisses and moans about Mandrake, the more technically oriented they are. It's a generalization, but it's something I've noticed.

While most of use doing development work realize that without users who need easy-to-use UI's, we would not have jobs, it seems that there are always those who are willing to go on a rampage and complain about anybody or any company that tries to make Linux easier to use.

While you may not like what Mandrake has done in their distro, I dare say they've introduced more people to Linux and have created more happy Linux users than you have.

Personally, I think the more users that are on Linux, the more opportunities there are for those of use doing development work to sell our Linux products. I know some people feel the opposite, and want to keep everything pure and clean and pristine -- all technical, all perfect -- just a haven for techies. We can do that, but if we do, it means VERY few jobs for Linux developers.

Without the users that need easy-to-use systems like Mandrake, (whether they use Linux or Windows or Mac or anything else), there would be far fewer jobs for developers, since computers would remain in the hands of the technically elite.

If you don't like it, don't use it. If you hate it, then it seems only fair that you make sure you never take advantage of what Mandrake has brought to the Linux world -- which is many more users and more opportunities for developers to sell their products and make money.

Re:And all I can say is good riddance (0, Insightful)

ikewillis (586793) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089182)

"If you don't like it, don't use it. If you hate it, then it seems only fair that you make sure you never take advantage of what Mandrake has brought to the Linux world"

Well, had you actually read my post instead of blindly replying to it you would've seen that my frustrations with Mandrake are due to being forced to use it on a deployed network of Mandrake systems. Many of these users are happy with their current desktops and do not want their systems reinstalled, even if the Mandrake scripts have gimped to the point that they can no longer shut down cleanly. I'm living in the "real world" where I'm dealing with administrating more systems than just my home box that I can do whatever the fuck I want with.

"seems to be a clear declaration that he does not understand the open source business model."

Oh, and you do? Well, let's assume you actually know what you're talking about and your statements logically flow. Therefore, your next one should explain the "open source business model." Let's have a peek, shall we?

"People may not like Mandrake -- I've noticed the more someone pisses and moans about Mandrake, the more technically oriented they are. It's a generalization, but it's something I've noticed."

Oh wait, that has nothing to do with the "open source business model" and neither does the rest of your post.

And if I'm the one who doesn't understand the "open source business model", then why is Mandrake filing for bankrupcy?

You know, the funniest part is you get modded up to 4, Insightful for that bullshit while I get modded to 0, Troll. Way to go /.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088872)

FP
Goodbye Mandrake!
FP

What do you think Mr. T? (-1, Offtopic)

kaoshin (110328) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088875)

Mr T: I pity the fool that don't know about title loan!

Well I guess thats all. Hard to stay on topic when theres nothing to really talk about..

Here is your chance! (5, Insightful)

Maeryk (87865) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088876)

If Mandrake dies a horrible and ugly death, it will not just be one more dead distro, it will be proof to all the closed source liscensing junkie corps. that "free" (as in beer) software cannot survive.

Now is the time to contribute to MandrakeSoft and help them out. If you have ever used it, if you use it now, if you have ever found it useful, now is the time to contribute.

I run it, I have contributed. I even saved them the money by d/ling my copy from linuxiso.org and then sending them the money.

But think for a moment, how much a license for Windows costs, and how little it costs to shoot five, or even one, dollar to Mandrake as a "thank you" if you use their software.

"Free" is a misnomer.. nothing is "free".. but "user supported" is probably as close to "free" as we can get, with an important distinction between "user purchased" and "user supported".

I would hate to see what is a rather good distro tank now, because of money woes.

Re:Here is your chance! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088939)

Fuck Mandrake and their crummy distro.. This is survival of the fittest.

Re:Here is your chance! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088942)

first of all sir, i won't contribute, i'll buy.
save welfare for the po' folk.
secondly, if i'm going to buy, then i certainly need something worth the price, which honestly, mandrake has never seemed to be.
damn stupid frogs

Re:Here is your chance! (5, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088961)

If Mandrake dies a horrible and ugly death, it will not just be one more dead distro, it will be proof to all the closed source liscensing junkie corps. that "free" (as in beer) software cannot survive.

But doesn't it prove just the opposite? The company dies, but the software lives on. I expect that the vast majority of people who use Mandrake will have no problem moving their setup across to another distro. But imagine what would happen if a traditional, closed source company died. Then you'd be screwed.

Re:Here is your chance! (5, Insightful)

Maeryk (87865) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089033)

But doesn't it prove just the opposite? The company dies, but the software lives on. I expect that the vast majority of people who use Mandrake will have no problem moving their setup across to another distro. But imagine what would happen if a traditional, closed source company died. Then you'd be screwed

Not sure. I would think from the "us" level, yes, that would be true. Most of us can do that without too much trouble. But from the "them" (read: big business, small business, etc) perspective, no, its catastrophic.

This is a pretty big name distro, at least in the eyes of Joe Buying Software Off The Shelf. He has seen it. If he is thinking of moving his small to mid-sized business to it, he wont if he sees this and realizes the company could tank on him at any time. We all know Microsoft Support is often less useful than the 17 year old next door when a problem crops up, however one of the major selling points is that _it is there._. If one of the "larger" (figuring RH, SuSE, Mandrake as "large presence" distros) tanks, then Joe Consumer will lose even more faith. What RedHats stock did after the IPO put a hurting on the reputation, because most of the people approving these things spend time looking for the enter key and watching stocks, not having a clue about software.

Im not looking at this as much from a personal standpoint, as from a "company X is seriously thinking about moving to a cheap alternative to MS, which would be Linux.. what can I show them to point out a GOOD reason, with a solid company behind it."

Maeryk

Re:Here is your chance! (4, Interesting)

Geekenstein (199041) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088963)

Sorry buddy, but the Sally Struthers approach didn't help your cause.

I'm a capitalist, and I firmly believe that any business must make money through the sale of goods and services to turn a profit and survive. Look at RedHat. They took the same product, spent large amounts of capital developing a product, and sold not only that product, built on freely available technology, but support services and add-ons that people want to buy.

The difference between them and Mandrake? They created a business model that works. Mandrake was built on top of RedHat, with most of the work already done for them. If Mandrake has been unable to attract investors in a Linux-crazy world, something must seriously be wrong with their fundamentals.

So sorry, Sally. I won't be giving a failed company a handout. I'll continue to purchase products that warrant it. This is Darwin's theory of Capitalism at its finest....the strong survive.

Re:Here is your chance! (5, Informative)

Khalid (31037) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089181)

In fact Mandrake Did ! attract investors, but they have hired very bad (at that time they called it experienced management) which has adopted an inceredible cash burn rate, they suddenly doubled the number of people working for them, then hired a very expensive office, and adopted an e-learning strategy nobody was able to say what it was really. That was during the dot come craze. They have been slowly recovering since they have fired their management, but I don't know if this will be enough for them to avoid banckrupcy.

Re:Here is your chance! GET A CLUE (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088974)

This has nothing to do with free software, it has everything to do with mis-management and not knowing how to run a software company.

Get real, if they can't run a business then they should fail, it has nothing to do with Linux or free software.

Re:Here is your chance! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088981)

> If Mandrake dies a horrible and ugly death, it will not just be one more dead distro, it will be proof to all the closed source liscensing junkie corps. that "free" (as in beer) software cannot survive.

I assume that when you said "'free' (as in beer) software cannot survive" you meant "'free' (as in beer) software companies cannot survive". If so, what about Red Hat, SuSE, Xandros, Slackware, Libranet, Lindows? They seem to be doing fine last I checked. Or perhaps you meant, "make fabulous profits like Microsoft, Oracle, Sun & so forth"? I'm unclear what you meant.

(and if you really meant "'free' (as in beer) software cannot survive", what about Debian, Gentoo, et al that will survive regardless of the fates of commercial companies?..)

Re:Here is your chance! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088988)

First of all, consider the amount of debt you have to be in to file for Bankruptcy protection.

Now, think of how many people run linux, and have the cash to donate.

You will need a VERY SERIOUS movement to keep Mandrake alive. And by serious, I mean big enough to grab media attention. Then what are you telling commercial software companies? We can help our companies when they are down. But what happens when they go into debt again, then a third time...

I love linux, don't get me wrong. And Linux isn't going to die, even if all the 'company distros' go out of business, but to think that you can save it to prove a point to proprietary software is, well, its a sad dream that will, most likely, not come to fruitation.

Here's your chance (not mine). (5, Interesting)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088996)

Hate to tell you this but free software can survive just fine. It's a bloated company based on free software that cannot.

Why the hell should I give my hard earned money to a company that isn't doing enough innovative stuff to be able to sell their product? RedHat and Apple don't seem to have these problems.

Realistically how many people does it take to make a distribution? Patrick V of slackware probably doesn't do it alone yet I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

If you really want to contribute just write free code. Otherwise stfu about "contributing" to a bad business model.

To say it in french, "Je m'en fiche".

Re:Here's your chance (not mine). (5, Insightful)

Arjuna Theban (143564) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089112)

RedHat survives because of their corporate strategy and partnerships (with IBM etc). Apple's survival has absolutely nothing with the free software projects, it's an absurd example.

Mandrake is mostly a Joe User distro, and as much as I don't like it, I can see that the people maintaining it (even if it was 3-4 people) need to get paid. When everyone goes and downloads the iso in under an hour with their broadband, they see no money in their hands. THAT's the problem.

-bm

Re:Here is your chance! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088999)

The beauty of capitalism is that companies fail on their own merits. The marketplace has spoken, there is no place for a company like this except in the junkyard.

Unrealistic Reasoning (5, Insightful)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089000)

MandrakeSoft is a business. When it became fashionable to start shilling for "contributions" or "donations" to businesses, I'll never know, but it's a stupid, unrealistic idea which needs to be killed and buried in the unmarked grave it so richly deserves.

For-Profit businesses exist for one reason and one reason only: to make money. If they cannot do this, it's their own fault -- especially if they are expecting people to whom they give away their product to send in "contributions", as you call it.

MandrakeSoft is going the way of the dodo because they haven't successfully created a way to make money. End of story. God willing, they'll be replaced by a business which can do so, but don't expect me to send my hard-earned bucks to save 'em.

Re:Unrealistic Reasoning (2, Interesting)

doorbot.com (184378) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089110)

MandrakeSoft is a business.

You're exactly right. The parent of this post needs to be modded up and it's parent modded down... way down.

I'm still trying to understand why I should donate money to a for-profit business. Why don't I just give my money to Microsoft? Or the government? Oh that's right, because I don't "give" money to a business, I "invest" money. And I expect a return on my investment, or I'll take my money elsewhere...

If you feel bad for Mandrake, get over it, and donate some money to the EFF or Debian. Or if you don't like their social contract, donate to a local LUG.

If Mandrake dies a horrible, ugly death... (3, Insightful)

Pac (9516) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089001)

It will be just another dead distro.

The so-called closed source junkies can say whatever they wish, Red Hat and Suse are proof enough that free software can entail viable business. And Debian, Apache, OpenOffice and Mozilla are proof enough that it does not even has to be a business.

So, if Mandrake can't survive, either because there is no room for another distro or because its managers are not good enough, too bad. Business die every week for those and many other reasons. Something supposed to be profitable opperation can not rely on custumer donnations...

Re:If Mandrake dies a horrible, ugly death... (5, Insightful)

Kunta Kinte (323399) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089166)

And Debian, Apache, OpenOffice and Mozilla are proof enough that it does not even has to be a business.

I don't know about debian but Apache, OpenOffice and Mozilla are funded heavily by corporate interest. Heck most of OpenOffice is still code bought by Sun, and they have the most full time programmers on OO.

Mozilla is still run by Netscape/AOL, and I'd guess more than half of Mozilla's code is still being done on AOL's dime.

Apache group gets money from all over.

The linux kernel has more paid fulltime hackers than any other projects have known. You think all those redhat guys work for free?

Open source projects are no different from other projects. They need substantial resources to grow.

Re:Here is your chance! (1, Redundant)

Stinking Pig (45860) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089002)

hear hear!! Mandrake is a top notch distribution, if you use it and you like it, please send them some bucks.

I call: Bullshit. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089010)

One compound noun: RedHat.

Mandrake isn't, never was, and never will be a contender in the business sector of Linux usage. How could it? It's the distribution famous for referring to Microsoft as 'Micro$oft' on their website.

Children's games such as that don't impress suits. Neither does the game of asking people to 'donate' to a for-profit corporation.

Nothing is free, by the way? That's funny. I could've sworn that air was free. Freeware is certainly free, and so is public domain software.

Re:Here is your chance! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089014)

God.. Another pathetic post trying to convince us that some company that is failing needs saving. If a company needs to rely on the chump change of the average /. reader then their business model is one that deserves to die a horrible death.

For those of you just joining us from your own little fantasy world: It is difficult to make money in software, especially when there are plenty of high-quality, free alternatives that directly compete with the product you are trying to sell (Debian, Gentoo, etc). If you have to rely on selling something that someone else can get for nothing, you will most likely fail.

And that's a Good Thing, believe it or not, because it means you have to make your money elsewhere. Somewhere innovative, not making money on that trite BS that we call IP.

Re:Here is your chance! (2)

peterpi (585134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089038)

"...proof to all the closed source liscensing junkie corps. that "free" (as in beer) software cannot survive.

Now is the time to contribute to MandrakeSoft and help them out. "

Errr, here's a secret; The closed source liscensing junkie corps just might read slashdot and figure out what we're up to!

Re:Here is your chance! (5, Insightful)

Apreche (239272) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089047)

you know what. Free as in beer software can survive. But you can't make money off of it. In fact its not just software. You can't make money on anything, if you give it away for free. And if someone else is giving it away for free you can't make money either. Who is going to pay you for product X when joe will give it to me for free (legally). I like Mandrake, a lot. I'm using 9 now in fact, I just rebooted from win2k to do some work. But I never paid them. Not because they don't deserve money, or because I can't afford to (which I can't).

If you open a grocery store and give apples away for free outside. But inside you keep slightly shinier apples inside the store and charge money for them. As long as the ones outside aren't rotten (iso downloads are far from rotten) nobody is going to come in and buy, unless they are really rich. And if someone across the street is giving away shiny good apples for free, you lose. I might like your apples a lot, or the most even, but I'm not going to pay for them unless I'm rich and I don't care about money.

So yeah, free as in beer software can't survive, as a profitable business. But it can survive as in people will use it. Look at winamp its been free beer forever, and its #1. A well deserved #1 at that. Free speech software can survive as a profitable business, as long as it also isn't free beer. The problem is that most OSS is often both. You might really like ford. But if they start giving away ford foci(focuses), you aren't about to buy a mustang. If they give away the plans for the focus, you aren't about to build your own, unless you are a nut(read geek).

Yeah, I think I made the same point like 10 times already, this post is done.

Prostitution (2)

Synn (6288) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089167)

So why does prostitution exist if people can get sex for free?

Why buy fish if you can just get them for free out of a lake?

Re:Here is your chance! (1)

jrfonseca (575890) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089064)

But think for a moment, how much a license for Windows costs, and how little it costs to shoot five, or even one, dollar to Mandrake as a "thank you" if you use their software.

Their software!? Only a small part of the software bundled in the Mandrake distribution was actually written by MandrakeSoft. Most of the software was written by people who have given it away without charging for it, so I don't see why should people should buy a distribution [any] just for the sake of it. If somebody want's to contribute for a piece of software they use often, then do it but to the original authors, and only buy a distribution if you really like the way it's done.

Re:Here is your chance! (3, Interesting)

PunchMonkey (261983) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089077)

If Mandrake dies a horrible and ugly death, it will not just be one more dead distro, it will be proof to all the closed source liscensing junkie corps. that "free" (as in beer) software cannot survive.

I disagree.

However, the fact that the user community will be able to resurect or continue supporting the project will prove that that "free" (as in beer) software can survive. This may prove to corporations that it's better to rely on these open-sourced projects as a result and benefit everyone in the long run.

It still is a shame to see Mandrake fold, though.

Re:Here is your chance! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089092)

Don't be a schmuck. Nobody should buy something just becasue it would be good for the cause. When Loki went/was going under, People said the same thing: By from them, they are a Linux company that desereves to survive.

Bull. This is a case where the market is working. Companay spends a large amount of money developing a product. Nobody (or not enough people) likes the product, and don't by it. Company dies the death it deserves. Fortionatly for us, the consumers, unlike most company deaths, if there is anything of value for the Linux community in Mandrake, chances are that it will be incorporated into another distribution.

But DON'T BY JUST TO KEEP THE COMPANY ALIVE. Buy becuase you like it. Buy becuase you use it. Buy because you think it is a good deal. JUST DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY BY BUYING SOMETHING "JUST BECAUSE"

Re:Here is your chance! (1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089147)

I ordered a copy of Mandrake last month. They took the $ from my account a few days after the sale. But, I have yet to recieve my copy. I emailed them and I was told that a database error had lost my order and that it would be fixed. It is a week after that, and still no word from them about when my copy will be showing up. I am going to dispute the charge on my card.

not the first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088878)

nor the last

Linux Distribution Companies (1, Interesting)

jcannava (641086) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088879)

i'm surprised that more companies that make distributions of linux have not had this problem. Open Source in itself is not a great business model, being free and all, and you can only make so much money off of cd's. Anyone have any idea how the other companies are making it in a microsoft dominated world? I know RedHat has one of the more expensive certification exams, but other than that i'm not sure how any of these companies make it.

Selling... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088880)

... stock prob wasn't such a good idea, esp in today's IT market. Too bad Mandrake didn't advertise in many of the IT magazines rather than rely on word of mouth for gaining new customers.

A Shame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088882)

A shame. This is a good distro for n00bs, easier to setup than windows. Oh well, only the good die young.

Cue the... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088883)

Cue the responses from people that DIDN'T read the article.

"Mandrake is shutting down? See, this is why Linux will never be profitable. You can't sell what you give away for free."

You know that it'll happen.

High quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088884)

"MandrakeSoft team is focused on continuing to deliver high quality services and products to its customers" This is good to hear, now how about reducing the cost of the packaged goods? Might sell more?

In soviet russia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088885)

Slashdot posts you first.

It's not the end, yet..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088886)

Having used many different distributions, I can say that (at the time) Mandrake was the most user-friendly of them all, from installation to use. Still, as a GNUBee, it was intimidating. Now, I use SUSE (my wife bought it for me for X-Mas) and couldn't be happier.

The French vs the Germans, round one to the French, Round two to the Germans.

But still, weren't they both based on the RedHat distribution in the beginning?? Busniess models aside, we've got a long way to go, Baby...

F1RST P0ST? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088887)

Or slashdot slashdotted?

I wish I were a major investor of Mandrakesoft (0, Troll)

Hairy_Potter (219096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088890)

cuz I'd sue for full possession of their source code, and then become a Linux millionaire!

The announcement (anonymous, no karma involved) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088893)

The liabilities accumulated by MandrakeSoft through a series of quarterly losses have prompted the company to file for "declaration de cessation des paiements". The filing, similar to the U.S. Chapter 11-Reorganization, took place on January 13, 2003.

This reorganization of liabilities enables MandrakeSoft to continue its current operations, which are showing increases in revenue and significant decreases in expenses. MandrakeSoft's strategic partners are supporting the company in this process and the MandrakeSoft team is focused on continuing to deliver high quality services and products to its customers.

Following this filing and with the support of the court via a court-appointed Administrator, MandrakeSoft will be protected from its creditors, renegotiate its liabilities and prepare a continuation plan to be approved by the French Court in the coming months.

Version 9.0 of the product was a success both technically and commercially and the company is now focused on Version 9.1 which will be announced as scheduled in April.

Man, that stinks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088896)

First Post! (I hope)

Let's hope they can recover from this.

French? French? learn proper English people! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088900)

Why wasn't this filed in a real country with real courts, real people and real money?

The proper term is french, just as if you were speaking of dogs, cats or apes.

Story in The Register (4, Informative)

Guiri (522079) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088901)

Here is a link to the story in The Register [212.100.234.54]

This is bad news...

Cheers

[Don't] BLAME CANADA! (-1)

SlashdotTroll (581611) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088904)


[holding a flashlight under my nose /w snot drooling like the girl on Blair Witch.]

Nobody suspected the mounties... They looked as if they were there to uphold the law, but few knew their actual intent. Every winter they travelled off to the woods to "regulate" as they called it. I followed one of them and discovered they go into the woods to construct wind-chimes of sticks. I tried to clime a tree and grab onto one, but a strange presence kept haunting me off the distance; I felt as if somthing was watching me...touching my hair...groping my backpack...pulling me OFF THE TREE IT'S A MOUNTY RUN FOR YOUR FUCKING LIFE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

This is odd... (0, Offtopic)

AnonymousCowheard (239159) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089005)

It's not written in aramaic...it's English! That's the language of the trolls! Maybe this message will tell us where we can find CowboyNeal's golden fingernail clippings and set an example for all of the slashdot kingdom! It reads,

"To f## the #i#Cl#p#ngs##, y#u se##ch woo## of C##ada in backpa#k# of AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH."

Strange, it just says "ahhhhhhhhhhhhh" at the end. Perhaps this troll was dictating to another troll as he died? The only "ahhhhhhhhhh" I know of is an old folk-lore tail about a wizard of "ahhhhhhhhhh-zzzz"; "oz" for short. Perhaps he was dictating and died as he was trying to mention Wozniack's codename: WOZ. It wouldn't make sense for him to dictate "ahhhhhhhhhhh" if he were dying, I think it ... IT IT GOT ESR, RUN !!! IT'S A MOUNTY!

Not a surprise (2)

abh (22332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088907)

Given that Mandrake has been begging for money [slashdot.org] I don't think this really should surprise anyone.

Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 55 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088916)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

awful quiet (2)

greechneb (574646) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088918)

This seems awful quiet for MandrakeSoft. Most of their releases contain a lot more info than that. I'm curious as to what else they might be hiding. Some deals with the devil might be in the works (By devil, I don't imply Microsoft).

This really makes me wonder about what their plans are for the near future, or if they have any significant plans. It will be interesting to see...

rumors (5, Insightful)

jbolden (176878) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088920)



This is all rumors so please take it with a grain of salt.

From what I understand during the dot-com boom Mandrake signed contracts regarding e-Education with many bankrupt / troubled dot-com companies. Mandrake has pulled out of those contracts and is now in the penalty phase. These companies want to collect their penalties from Mandrake and Mandrake cannot make the payments.

Under French bankruptcy law these penalties would be voided and the remaining company (the company that sells a Linux distribution) would be viable. So by threatening bankruptcy all they really mean is walking away from their e-Education related debts. This may or may not be a tactic to get the e-Education creditors to be willing to take 10 cents on the dollar rather than the nothing they would get under a bankruptcy.

In any case a bankrupt Mandrake my not mean the end of the Mandrake distribution.

Just to throw in a person note I hope its not the end. Mandrake has a great niche as the desktop distribution for the computer power-user who is not necc. all that knowledgeable about Linux. That's very different from the current crop of easy desktop distributions which are much more power limiting and very different than the server / corporate based distributions. I think its an import niche and one that gets filled regardless of what happens to Mandrake.

CP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088928)

It's good enough for townshend, it's good enough for katz and dammit--it's good enough for YOU!

Bummer (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088929)

I did purchase the 8.0 powerpack awhile back, and I've been a fan since 7.1. I've installed it on all sorts of systems from workstations to firewalls, and been happy with it in all applications.

I hope that MandrakeUpdates will continue to be free, as opposed to RedHat's update scheme which requires hackarounds to automate without paying the overlord, but I bet they won't be.

Perhaps bankrupcy is a good opportunity to restructure, and get out from under whatever obligations remain from their disastrous VC ownership debacle..

Now if they get rid of that gay logo... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5088934)

Their sense of logos and esthetics in general
has always been quite gay if not childish.

I don't know how any real company could take
them serious.

Don't worry! (0, Insightful)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088935)

Remember, their only valuable asset was the code and Linus owns that. He's a man of principle and I'm sure he'd never sell out, so we are probably safe. What we need to focus on is making Linux stronger than ever. It doesn't matter if 1 or 5 or 10 or a million Linux companies go out of business, because Linux isn't about making money, it's about making choices. Apparently Mandrake made some wrong choices and I hope RedHat avoids the errors Mandrake made, such as a reliance on bells and whistles instead of hardware compliance.

A shame (1)

endrek (547737) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088941)

I truely hope they are ok. Mandrake was my first distro and a wounderful way for windows users to get the hang of linux. My friends and I agree that the mandrake install is easier than that of windows. I hope they can continue on because they are a wounderful distro.

Translation (5, Funny)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088953)

...and significant decreases in expenses.
We don't have to pay employees smart enough to get off our sinking ship.

Optimism. This is a good thing. (4, Insightful)

SenatorTreason (640653) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088954)

I use Mandrake Linux on my laptop, and am very happy with 9.0. They have a good,solid product, and I think that ultimately this is a good thing. A rebirth of sorts. They made some very poor business decisions early on, but they are on a better track. Unfortunately, this better track could not make up for the past decisions financially quick enough. So they file for bankruptcy, reorganize, refocus on their key advantages, and come back out swinging. Look for a K.O. in a couple of months when come out of their financial corner. Good luck, Mandrake.

well damnit (1)

burninginside (631942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088957)

mandrake kicks ass & now they file for chapter 11

[OT] 404 File Not Found (metamod.pl) (-1, Offtopic)

Wouter Van Hemel (411877) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088962)

404 File Not Found
The requested URL (metamod.pl) was not found.

I just clicked the link on the homepage... Oh no, I can't metamod today! There goes my illusion of selfimportance...

's wrong?

can't say i'm surprised (0, Troll)

Snafa (641093) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088977)

who didn't see this coming?

good riddance of a bad distro.

Loki (1)

phlyingpenguin (466669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088989)

So, will they actually pull it off, or will this be just like the reorginization that Lokigames didn't pull off. I'm questioning the chance OSS has without making much money off a product (mandrake) and and how it kills its market for closed source apps (Loki)

Sad to See (5, Insightful)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 11 years ago | (#5088993)

It's not only sad to see Mandrake having to declare bankruptcy, but it is also sad to see some of the nasty comments that have already been posted.

At my LUG, whenever a newbie asks, "What distro should I install?" A bunch of techies respond, "Debian." To which I now point out (after having spent over a week trying to get Debian Woody to work with my ATI Radeon) that newbies have no idea how to handle the module config and that I've had a post on the local LUG board for almost a month now and NOT ONE Debian fan there has been able to tell me how to get Woody to support a common video card (I did get it working - that is not the point -- the point is that it wasn't supported.)

At this LUG, Mandrake has become a dirty word. I've noticed, overall, that programmers (and I used to be one -- used to program a LOT in Assembler on my Apple //e AND made money at it!) and techies tend to hate Mandrake. I cannot see why. They may not want it, but it seems to me the more technically oriented a person is, the more disdain they show on those who are not "as smart" as they are in that particular field. I think this shows a fundamental lack of understanding that comptuers are made for people, not people for computers.

If computers and all OS's stayed as difficult to set up as Debian or Slackware, there would not be many computers in offices or homes. As much as I hate M$, Windows is easy enough for even my 80 year old mother to use. That ease of use is a large factor responsible for the omni-presence of computers.

Mandrake has brought Linux to thousands, probably tens of thousands (or millions, for all I know) of users and computers. This is the distro that dared to explore the desktop years before Redhat introduced Bluecurve. This is the distro that is easy enough to use that it is pre-installed on computers at Wal-Mart. While those of use who think we know better act like snobs and talk with disdain over any distro that does not play by our rules, Mandrake has done a better job of any distro (except maybe Lindows) at spreading Linux aroudn the world and making it more popular among people other than programmers and techies.

If you want to talk ugly about Mandrake, go on. It just shows an elitist side that does not realize that without users, programming is just writing utilities and tools so we can write more utilities and tools. In short, without users who need easy to use distros, all we're left with is writing code and making systems for ourselvs. I don't know about you, but to me that is a bit much like masteurbation.

I hope Mandrake pulls out of this.

I also hope those who keep ragging on Mandrake take a step back and realize if it weren't for the easy to use desktops, computers would not be popular, would cost MUCH more, and far fewer of use would have jobs in computers (and these jobs are getting rare enough already).

What I would have said, if i didn't actually have (1)

notque (636838) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089036)

to work sometimes.

Exactly. You are right on, mandrake serves a perfect niche, and was wonderful as my first install.

It picked up everything I had on first load. No other distro has, and I still can't get a sound card to work under Slackware.

Back to work!

Re:What I would have said, if i didn't actually ha (1)

Rooktoven (263454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089188)

Which Soundcard?

Re:Sad to See (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089061)

the more technically oriented a person is, the more disdain they show on those who are not "as smart" as they are in that particular field.
You've just described 99% of all slashdot posters.

Re:Sad to See (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089150)

Yep.

Basically we've got a group of people that is so smart they feel they can ignore and be disdainful of everyone who does not know as much as they know in their one particular field.

They're so damn smart they don't see they need everyone else, such as the doctors that keep us healthy, but can barely keep their AOL account working, or any other peopel that provide them with services.

It's a bunch of people so smart they aren't smart enough to realize without users and the rest of the world, there wouldn't even be computers for us to work with or play on.

sorry spanky.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089065)

> I don't know about you, but to me that is a bit much like masteurbation.

You really are out of touch with today's techies!

Re:Sad to See (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089073)

I don't know about you, but to me that is a bit much like masteurbation

What, like computer nerds don't get enough already?

Onanism: the only universal philosophy..

Re:Sad to See (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089126)

...masteurbation...

Is this what they do in France or something? ;)

Seriously, I feel for MandrakeSoft. I'm not sure I'll support them financially, but right now they have the greatest chance of getting my money of any distribution.

Re:I'm a newbie and I like Debian... (2, Interesting)

scarpa (105251) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089168)

Well I'm a very green Linux newbie who has been playing with a Debian box at home for about 2 weeks now and I LOVE it.

It was no harder to install than DOS, and I'm finding it extremely easy to use. Key things that I like: GREAT website and documentation, dead-simple to find configuration data, easy package management.

Now, the disclaimer. It's a headless server, and will stay that way. I never *once* considered using Linux on the desktop. I looked at RedHat, Lindows and Knoppix and thought they were all a joke. IMO linux in general has a loooong way to go before being a desktop OS, but is absolutely wonderful as a simple server OS. I already have dhcpd, samba (as a PDC) and apache running on my box and am about to tackle mail. Nothing but port 22 will face the public until I know more of what I'm doing.

Re:Sad to See (2, Insightful)

hoop33 (585222) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089184)

. . . the more disdain they show on those who are not "as smart" as they are . . .

You seem to be forgetting that the tech industry is dominated by people whose only socially redeeming quality is their intelligence. I'm not trying to troll--it's an observation that has been borne out repeatedly. Anytime the "unwashed masses" or "Joe Sixpack" figures out something in technology, too many in our industry scurry to raise the bar in order to maintain an intellectual elitism. As soon as regular people figure out bash and vi, those will suck, too.

As much as Linux users preach about how much better Linux is than Windows, if the desktop market suddenly rushed to Linux, Linux users would rush out.

One of the biggest obstacles to widespread Linux adoption is the Linux community.

P.S. I use Linux

MandrakeClub? (1)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089003)


Will all the MandrakeClub [mandrakelinux.com] members have to turn in their funny hats with the ears [slashdot.org] ?

Not Fair to Rail MandrakeSoft (2, Insightful)

chewtoy-11 (448560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089009)

One has to wonder why everytime a Linux distro company has problems, everyone pipes up with the slew of "That distro sucked" messages. Personally, I don't think it's fair to bash them based on their feature sets.

However, I have to say that for a company to successfully market Linux, it would seem most logical to use a minimalist production schedule, keeping the boxed copies to a minimum, just enough to fill orders anyway. Everytime I go to Best Buy or Wal-Mart, there's 100s of Mandrake boxes sitting around with price tags a bit on the heavy side (for a free OS anyway).

Perhaps eliminating the fat manual would have saved a bundle. Maybe a better question now is: How could they adjust their marketing/business practices to recover from such a blow? Perhaps we can tell them what we expect from a Linux distribution, and what is useless (or unnecessary).

Bankrupcy...or as the French would say... (0, Offtopic)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089012)

WE SURRENDER!

vee cee you later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089024)

> Secondly, it wants to get Venture Capital (VC). The email claims the company is close to cutting a deal with one or more VCs. The author of the e-mail was hoping its recipient would be an investor, or would at least claim to intend to invest to help convince the company's board of the validity of the bankruptcy scenario.

Suuuuucker!

I find this humorus... (2)

rindeee (530084) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089028)

...in contrast to the article on Newsforge where Gael Duval says (paraphrased) "There is really no problem, but we're working to fix it". And to the guy whining about this being bad for Open Source and Free software...you're a bigger doofus than Gael Duval. To succeed at becoming the primary Server/Desktop OS/App/whatever, OSS doesn't have to make money for companies trying to modify and sell it based on a pretty install or nice out-of-box configuration....it just has to work as good or better than its commercial brotheren. I design and install Linux based systems for my customers. I make a lot of money doing so. I have bought maybe half-a-dozen commercially packaged distros in my life (only in cases where the customer wants the crappy books). Odd...I use free software and yet, I make money. Why you ask? Becuase I am adding value. Mandrake, RedHat, etc. are all in the business of adding value to the software in terms of "polishing" it. If people want what Mandrake did/does in terms of "polishing" and can't manage to do it themselves then they'll buy it. This would lead me to believe that either people don't want it or are doing it themselves.

Just what the hell is going on? (1, Interesting)

labratuk (204918) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089030)

First we hear a rumor a week or so ago that Mandrake were going to file for bankruptcy.


Then, yesterday we get a Newsforge article [newsforge.com] completely denying it.


Now we hear this.


Mandrake certainly do seem to have issues with being honest with people. Plus I think they have a history of this, don't they?

Teh funny (1, Troll)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089037)

I honestly feel bad for the french clerk responsible for handing out these "surrender" forms. He HAS to be the busiest man on earth. Pit traders on Wall Street has less stressful jobs than he does.

Who cares? (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089042)

Seriously, who cares? Mac OS X is everything desktop Linux distros try to be and more. Those who cling to the idea of ONLY using free software are missing out on so much. The idea of your grandmother using Linux is absurd. Yeah yeah, I know some of you will reply with "but my gran IS using it!". My response? She'd be better off using OS X or WinXP. That way she can actually see the web as it was meant to be seen, etc etc.

click now, credit cards accepted (3, Informative)

2ms (232331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089043)

It's as easy as could be: Mandrake donations page [linux-mandrake.com]

Mandrake 9 (1)

nocomment (239368) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089049)

Mandrake 9 is good, really really good. Mandrake is hands down the best distro out there. Excellent install, great for newbies, greater for techies. I've bought 2 copies, being 8.0 prosuite, 8.2 standard. I like Mandrake and plan to support Mandrake. However, I will wait for 9.1 due out in april before buying another distro. I will then buy a hat and cd holder as well.

Join Mandrakeclub and vote for the rpm's you want in 9.1!! I want gcombust, and looking at the beta, I don't see it...off to go voting!!!

French - English (1, Funny)

MikeAR303 (578117) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089050)

'declaration de cessation des paiements'
'Fuck off, we're broke'
;-)

Chapter 11 Bankruptcy does not equal dead (5, Informative)

sireasoning (576345) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089055)

People are reading too much into this. Chapter 11 will just allow them to restructure their debt. Mandrakesoft is approaching profitability and are expecting to reach that this year. Once that barrier has been crossed, then they begin to eat away at the debt accumulated mostly from their American CEO that was brought in to make Mandrakesoft look attractive for an IPO.

I should have read that second e-mail (1)

Snowdog668 (227784) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089070)

Funny, just this morning I got two e-mails from Mandrakesoft. The first was to inform me that I had 28 days left on my subscription to their online usergroup. I deleted that one and the second without reading it.

Well, I've been using Mandrake since it was "Red Hat plus some other stuff" and always thought it was a pretty good distro. Heck, I've actually been paying for my major updates so there are some of us that don't fall into the "Free as in beer" camp :)

As a shareholder of Mandrakesoft (1)

Aging_Newbie (16932) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089075)

Even if my 100 shares now have no value, I am out the same money as a copy of XP except I own my computer and it is indeed as trustworthy (as in *I* can trust it) as it can possibly be.

Please, Mandrake staff and supporters, keep the faith because lots of people really respect what you have done and what you will do when this problem passes. For anybody out there, 9.0 ROCKS!!! and everybody who had anything to do with it should be proud.

lo price allows hi volume to occur. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089084)

They should have had one price, no freebies.
10.00 + Shipping & Handling.
who would say no to that?

Oh darn! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089086)

Looks like now the /. crew is gonna have to go out and buy a REAL OS [microsoft.com] ! The free (communist) ride ends here.

It's funny, though. I always thought *BSD would die first.

Do your part! (1, Offtopic)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089089)

Come one guys, do your part and buy something from them, or send a bit of cash.

(I did my part by telling all of you to do your part!)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5089102)

Bankruptcy Protection files for YOU!

Don't argue for capitalism (2, Troll)

digidave (259925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089104)

I keep reading comments about "may the fittest survive" and how capitalism doesn't include giving a company charity money. I don't think the same rules apply here.

Remember, this is still Linux vs. Windows on the desktop and MS has a huge lead. No matter how good it gets, the only way that Linux will ever make a push on the desktop is if Linux users start a grassroots movement to get it there. Well, folks, donating money for a cause is grassroots. Given the quality of Mandrake Linux, it might be the one that will eventually crack the desktop.

If you don't agree with charity, then by all means do nothing. But if you want to see Linux succeed on the desktop and are willing to be part of the solution, then buy the distro and join MandrakeClub.

"Donate?" No, purchase. (5, Insightful)

robson (60067) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089132)

I "donated" in the most natural way I could think of -- I pre-ordered Mandrake 9 on DVD. Somehow that seems like the way it should work, doesn't it? I gave money to this business in return for their product. They got paid for their work, I got a good distro in a convenient format.

That seems so much more natural than downloading their ISOs for free, then donating as if they're a charity. I suppose the PBS [pbs.org] /NPR [npr.org] funding model might work if things were more centralized, but it can't work for 30 different distros. Those are marketplace conditions.

Declaration De Cessation Des Paiements? (OT) (2, Funny)

Embedded Geek (532893) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089148)

Merde!

(Offtopic moderations and/or flaming commences in 5,4,3...)

Grew too big? (1)

Lord of the Fries (132154) | more than 11 years ago | (#5089154)

I'll be sad to MandrakeSoft fold. It'll be people out of jobs and all the fun that goes with that. I used Mandrake a bit earlier on. I'd still be with them if they would have switched from RPMS to debian packages.

Anyway, I'm betting it was somewhat inevitable. Didn't MandrakeSoft--like any other Linux distro-- start out as a small group of guys selling a distro? I'm betting if it had remained at or near that size, it'd still be fine today. The Linux distros that are struggling are mostly those that outgrew themselves, added all kinds of management and other sorts of "middle men". Linux and the internet, they pinch the middle man pretty hard.

Who knows, maybe after the company folds, the core guys who do the real work, will get together and build a little distro again.
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