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FreeBSD 5.0 Available

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the still-has-a-better-mascot dept.

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Vegard writes "Although not yet officially announced, the 5.0 version of FreeBSD is beginning to appear on the FreeBSD FTP site and mirrors world wide." Congrats to the developers. Update: 01/19 17:44 GMT by T : Some more detail -- Dan writes "Scott Long of FreeBSD Release Engineering team has officially announced the availability of FreeBSD 5.0 release. Improvements include second generation UFS filesystem, GEOM, the extensible and flexible storage framework, DEVFS, the device virtual filesystem, Bluetooth, ACPI, CardBus, IEEE 1394 and many more! FreeBSD is also available on 64-bit sparc64 and ia64 platforms."

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More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (-1, Offtopic)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112855)

More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed worldwide each year. For no reason.

Pork is an unhealthy food source. Most people who eat pork also have access to other, non-meat foods.

Pigs are some of the most intelligent beings on our planet. Why do we kill them by the billions? Just to enjoy the transient pleasure of tasting their flesh?

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (-1, Offtopic)

tlund (42064) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112864)

Why do we kill them by the billions? Just to enjoy the transient pleasure of tasting their flesh?

Yes.

*feeding the troll*

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112870)

Well use Linux then

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (-1, Offtopic)

oliverjms (548028) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112872)

Yes, pork is nice.

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (-1, Offtopic)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112876)

Yeah.. but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good!

And aren't dolphins, whales (and duh, humans?) more intelligent :)

Deja vu... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112892)

So... did you write the original [slashdot.org] ? That's pretty funny.

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112916)

Pigs often try to eat their newborn piglets. I eat pig products all the time. It's good.

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (-1, Offtopic)

evilmonkey_666 (515504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112937)

Pigs are some of the most intelligent beings on our planet. Why do we kill them by the billions? Just to enjoy the transient pleasure of tasting their flesh?

Uh, YES!
HMMMM, Bacon..... *drools*

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112950)

Mmmm.....I just had some GREAT thick sliced bacon.

Want me to send you pictures?

And yes...we do just kill them for the pleasure of eating them. That's kind of the point of a food source.

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (1)

Drasil (580067) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113021)

'Mmmmmm, dead pig tastes good'

Homer J. Simpson

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (0)

m1chael (636773) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113053)

because if we didnt keep them under control they would eat us!

Re:More than 1.1 billion pigs are killed each year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113139)

Those little fuckers would kill you if they were given the chance.

they're evil, and tasty

Yes, for a reason. (-1, Offtopic)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113178)

They taste good.

Yes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112860)

I confirm: *LINUX is the one that's dying.

Release Notes (5, Informative)

Squeezer (132342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112865)

If you want to see what is new in FreeBSD 5.0 then click to view the release notes.

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/relnotes.html [freebsd.org]

Re:Release Notes (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112904)

Heh, I can't wait to see what Apple's response to this is. Wonder if they'll rip off the new BSD like they did with KHTML, the Gnu compiler tools and just about anything else they've put their fingers into lately.

The way I look at it they can either take this update onboard and make themselves look worse, or just sit even further behind, both of which suits me just fine!

bye bye apple

Re:Release Notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113016)

Rip off? That's how the license works. If you don't like it, don't license software that way (though I'm quite sure you had nothing to do with writing any software). Go cry elsewhere, m'kay?

GOATSE LINK - MOD DOWN (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113168)

Parent is a hidden link to goatse.cx.

yeaaah (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112866)

at LAST!!

I can vouch for it. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112867)

It's the most stable release ever.

Obey the red demon!

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Trolling Thunder (639121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112868)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

BSD is dead (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112869)

And so is your penis.

In (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112873)

SOVIET RUSSIA *bsd is DYING!

But not here.

Oh, hooray (4, Insightful)

RPoet (20693) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112880)

The release hasn't been announced, which would mean it hasn't reached the mirrors yet, which would mean they need the master FTP server to be up and running. How very convenient of Slashdot to link directly to the master FTP server before this has happened! This is sabotage.

Re:Oh, hooray (2, Informative)

Fulkkari (603331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112899)

which would mean it hasn't reached the mirrors yet

No. There were already copies of the release, on the mirrors I checked.

Re:Oh, hooray (2, Informative)

krismon (205376) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113027)

Actually I believe the mirrors grab from a non-public ftp server.

Re:Oh, hooray (1)

alsta (9424) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113079)

The release hasn't been announced which means that it isn't released yet.

Re:Oh, hooray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113102)

So what, it is available.

From the BSD 5.0 Bugs Page (-1, Troll)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112881)

... occasionally the SCSI BIOS will hang because of an IRQ conflict

You see, that's the problem. People keep trying to insist on putting a SCSI card in their machines.

SCSI is obsolete. Your storage drives haven't needed to be interfaced over a 'smart controller card' since the motherboard's expansion stopped being through 8 MHz ISA slots.

Forget BSD. SCSI is indeed what is dead.

Re:From the BSD 5.0 Bugs Page (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112910)

You're the moron with the pork post. I ate at KFC the other day for no other reason than PETA started up their Kentucky Friend Cruelty bullshit.

Also, smart controller cards are nice for adding large drives to older machines. When my 6.4GB hdd filled up, I upgraded to one that was 60GB. Not only was my motherboard too old to support that large of a drive, but so was my Windows95. I popped in a smart controller card, and everything worked flawlessly. I have 20GB for Windows, 20GB for Linux, and 20GB more FAT32 storage.

Re:From the BSD 5.0 Bugs Page (-1, Offtopic)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112939)

Amsterdam Vallon, are you the one responsible for arguably the best first post ever?

Check my sig,

Re:From the BSD 5.0 Bugs Page (2, Informative)

caino59 (313096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112961)

SCSI is sorta dead if you are looking a win9x point of view....you will get faster performance from an IDE drive there.

But for a server (and I hope you aren't using BSD to play games on) SCSI is where it's at (although SATA shows promise, the tech still has a little maturing to do)

SCSI sub-systems handle loads much better and are much better at dishing out data.

Nice linking (4, Insightful)

Openadvocate (573093) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112896)

Now why would you link directly to a FTP server? We all know that a lot of people will begin to download a +600MB ISO file and that no single FTP server would be able to handle the Slashdot crowd. Now I hope that the people here that wants to download FreeBSD has the brain power to check the mirror list first, if they not already has a favorite mirror. Still the proper thing to do, would be to link to the mirror list directly.
Also by using the mirror list, our US friends wouldn't have to download from a server in Denmark, but maybe a local one instead. Oh, well I guess that's just me, but I really think that in the lengthly, time consuming screening process of each article, someone would show a bit of responibility, knowing the effects, posting a article with links have.

Re:Nice linking (3, Funny)

mikerod (196144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112923)

I guess since *BSD is dying the /. editors saw no harm in linking :-))

Re:Nice linking (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113011)

Maybe it's the *BSD FTP server that's dying ?

Re:Nice linking (1)

JimmyGulp (60100) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113069)

Given that I have a couple of friends who knew it was released on Friday, and had downloaded it and installed it. I think the mirrors will have had time to catch up.

Also, I think that most FreeBSD users will be sensible enough to find a mirror, not all slashdotters are alike. Some are sensible, others are still learning.

Re:Nice linking (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113090)

We all know that a lot of people will begin to download a +600MB ISO file and that no single FTP server would be able to handle the Slashdot crowd

Doesn't the FTP server run FreeBSD? If it was running *Linux, then I'd agree, but because it runs FreeBSD, I'm sorry, your claim can't be true.

Hurrah for the BSD Team (1, Interesting)

puto (533470) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112897)

I use Linux and Free BSD. BSD was my first real delve into the Unix fold. A damn fine server OS and used by more people than most would think. SMP at its finest IMHO.

The team takes its time with updates, does them right the first time and make it a true pleasure to work with.

Kudos guys.

Puto

Re:Hurrah for the BSD Team (2, Interesting)

krismon (205376) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113051)

SMP at its finest has yet to be seen, hopefully 5.0 will make your statement true, but with 4.x and below, we've had to switch to Linux for our databases because the threading wasn't managed by the kernel, and thus you can't have more than one thread from the same process on multiple processors at once. Pretty much useless for some applications, might as well just have 1 cpu.

Jesus Saves! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112898)

Jesus Saves!

Part of the team (-1, Troll)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112900)

I'm one of the many contractors that Yahoo hires out once or twice every year to perform maintainance on their systems.

Normally it's just straightforward backups and security updates on certain network applications, but this past month we were working to actually upgrade to this most recent version of FreeBSD. It was hard enough to do since we're already converting to a PHP-based system for all the customizable Web pages, but couple that with new unforeseen FreeBSD bugs and you have a hell of a problem on your hands.

If our experience at Yahoo has been any indication, I strongly encourage any administrators out there to hold off a bit until an update to 5.0 is presented. I know we have a ton of machines and are probably more complex than most software dev houses, it sure isn't pretty to see 20% of your old data go up in smoke due to a weird package dependency conflict with certain libraries.

Just a heads up.

Sir (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112918)

You are an excellent troll. I enjoy trolls written by you, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:Part of the team (1)

caino59 (313096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112941)

ah so you're the one to blame for all of the borked links I'm running into on yahoo?

just kidding..but seriously...what particular package did you run into problems with?

PR numbers pls. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113111)

but couple that with new unforeseen FreeBSD bugs

Please list the PR's to these 'bugs'

A few mirros (5, Informative)

KAMiKAZOW (455500) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112902)

The ISOs are not yet on all mirrors, but at least on the following servers:
ftp://ftp.uk.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO -IMAGES-i3 86/5.0/
ftp://ftp2.uk.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO -IMAGES-i 386/5.0/
ftp://ftp5.uk.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/IS O-IMAGES-i 386/5.0/
ftp://ftp6.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-I MAGES-i386 /5.0/
ftp://ftp14.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMA GES-i38 6/5.0/

Please look also if the files appeared on the other mirrors.

Re:A few mirros (4, Insightful)

__past__ (542467) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113032)

Please look also if the files appeared on the other mirrors.
No, please don't. Wait until it's released. The ISOs may still change without notice, destroy your computer and piss in your fish bowl. Say with me: These files do not contain a released FreeBSD version.

And, of course, instead of downloading ISO images, consider using CVSup to save time and bandwidth. Or at least don't download all ISOs - you don't need all packages, and installing the stuff you want from the network works without any problems.

My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (3, Funny)

Stanley Feinbaum (622232) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112905)

I managed to get a free copy of freebsd thanks to my status as a journalist, however I was sadly disappointed by this product.

I attempted to install freebsd on my IBM laptop, however I discovered my particular model was not compatible (which is odd, since it runs win2k just fine, which has many BSD elements in it). I decided to try it on my p4 system which I use for games occasionally. Unfortunately I discovered that BSD refused to be installed on my NTFS partition, and I was required to create a new partition! I have never had this problem with windows before and was baffled at the amount of work BSD forces one to take on just to get it installed! I decided to abort my attempt at reviewing BSD since it didn't seem to work on any of the systems I had! Furthermore I discovered that not only does Freebsd not run any new games, it doesn't even run Microsoft office, the standard office program! A truly terrible computer product!

I give FreeBSD 1/10

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (4, Insightful)

BusterB (10791) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112928)

If you want NTFS support for FreeBSD, simply find a source of unencumbered documentation on that FS and let the developers know where you found it. Having trouble? I thought so!

NTFS is intentionally underdocumented, so most attempts to support it in other OS's have been mostly reverse-engineering attempts. You could sign an NDA, but probably wouldn't be able to write free code with that information. Do not blame FreeBSD for not supporting undocumented features of another OS.

If you have an example of any non-Microsoft OS that can install on NTFS, please prove me wrong!

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112945)

YHBT Fucktard

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (1)

Kiwi (5214) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113014)

The parent post was a joke; he was not making fun of FreeBSD. He was making fun of idiot journalists who don't have a clue how things really work, and expect idiot things like support for NTFS.

Of course, your proably have to deal with enough idiot users who demand that kind of BS that it actually looks serious to you.

- Sam

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (1)

phre4k (627961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113026)

If you want NTFS support for FreeBSD, simply find a source of unencumbered documentation on that FS and let the developers know where you found it.

NTFS documentation is provided by these guys: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/

/Esben

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112930)

Not to worry my friend. Pretty soon you will be able to download mslinux from mslinux.org [mslinux.org]
:-)

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112993)



I do hope youre not a computer journalist. If this is how you review a product.

--
fdfs

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113006)

I've yet to check out free bsd (ducks!)
I don't know the specifics, but I'll bet that no os but NT and up installs on NTFS.
I think you're a M$ hack. "required to make a new partition"!? It's a new OS, not Doom! Baffled at the amount of work? You must never have installed NT4 before. A 1/10 compared to windows??(Since that's obviously what you're doing) Do you own windows?
Frankly, I don't mind a long *nix install since it will run for a long time. Windows, on the other hand, gets registry bloat and perpetualy takes up more space. M$ needs to make it easy to install, you need to reinstall it every 6mo to a year or it begins slowing down somethin fierce (even with multiple defrags!)
Never heard of OpenOffice.org huh?
btw, if you want to play games, buy a console. It's less maintainence, and you don't have to upgrade your hardware everytime a new game comes out(Which, btw, will require you to CALL M$ sooner or later so they can console you, and tell you that everythings OK)

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (0, Troll)

1s44c (552956) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113029)

Stanley Feinbaum, professional journalist and master debater! Karma = excellent

Your a funny guy.

Just because you don't know how to use it doesn't mean it isn't any good.

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113046)

Furthermore I discovered that not only does Freebsd not run any new games,

thats so untrue!!! :) [slashdot.org]

Re:My review of FreeBSD 5.0 (1)

talon77 (410766) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113095)

I managed to get a free copy of freebsd thanks to my status as a journalist

Wow, I must have jounalist status as well, since I also got a free copy of freebsd. (hmm.. maybe thats why they call it "free"bsd)

Insider scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112908)

The End of FreeBSD

[ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best.
Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

= Mike

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt

great... (4, Funny)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112915)

Slashdot jumps the gun yet again! And I was planning to sneak download FreeBSD 5.0 while nobody knows about it. Now my download is going to choke. My evil plans are foiled yet again! Curses Taco!

Re:great... (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113144)

Your download should work fine if you use one of the mirrors. I'm getting 350KB/s from ftp://ftp5.uk.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/...

Mirrors (5, Informative)

hashinclude (192717) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112920)

Can't /. editors *PLEASE* *PLEASE* list mirrors rather than freebsd ftp directly??

Anyway .. here is a list of mirrors [freebsdmirrors.org] of FreeBSD [freebsd.org] . Don't know which works though. A mirror of the mirrors is available here [virtualave.net] Its *very* badly formatted though. Oh.. and suppress popups, will you please?

The stupid /. "postercomment" compression filter won;t let me post a list of mirrors ...

And to pre-empt stupid /. comments about Mirrors and Soviet Russia --

In Soviet Russia, FreeBSD Mirrors YOU

I believe, (4, Funny)

jcoy42 (412359) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112925)

Mr CmdrTaco, that you have just pee'd in their wheaties.

Re:I believe, (1)

mog (22706) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112955)

I don't believe that anyone could have said it better.

Cheers!

Free BSD for ALPHA anyone? (3, Interesting)

UpLateDrinkingCoffee (605179) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112933)

Just wondering, what is the state of FreeBSD for alpha? I have a monster Digital Personal Workstation (600au) that I picked up in a dot com like fire sale... seems like alpha support for linux is waning a bit so I was wondering where the FreeBSD camp stands in this area?

I've got debian on there right now if anyone was wondering...

Re:Free BSD for ALPHA anyone? (2, Informative)

lunenburg (37393) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112963)

I'm running RELENG_4 on my AlphaStation at home, so there's at least SOME support with current releases.

Re:Free BSD for ALPHA anyone? (2, Informative)

ppetrakis (51087) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112981)

It works pretty well. I know quite a few former redhat users who have switched to free/net BSD on Alpha. I've run it myself on EV6 hardware, They've done some good work. If you'
re concerned about linux/alpha support check out debian. well supported and stable.

Peter

Re:Free BSD for ALPHA anyone? (1)

bigBlackSabbath (462796) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113055)

What about NetBSD? FreeBSD is primarily for X86 (like Linux) while NetBSD's goal is to run on as many platforms as possible. NetBSD is just as solid a performer as FreeBSD (at least in my experience).

A More Important Release (0, Redundant)

DASHSL0T (634167) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112934)

Slashdot common courtesy 1.0 has been released. Oh wait, we are still linking to sites before they even get a chance to properly mirror...never mind. Slashdot common courtesy 1.0: Codename: The Duke Nukem Forever release, will be out Real Soon Now.

Hasnt this happened before (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112953)

Time and time again everyone says DO NOT LINK DIRECTLY to the main site, link to a mirror list. The fact that you still linked to the primary site and even said it has not been announced makes me wonder do you ever fucking read our comments. You guys need to develop a checklist before you post news items. 1. is it a dupe? 2. did i spell check this? 3. if there's a link to an product that was just released did i post the mirror link instead of the primary link? 4. And finally ask yourself this question, is this news the slashdot crowd really cares about? (*note this does not pertain to the current story)

RC3 was a good experience (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112956)

Good to hear the final 5.0 release is out. I installed FreeBSD 5.0 RC3 on my Pentium 100MHz with 32MB of RAM and I must say I'm really impressed how well the system performs. I'm a console freak so I try to do everything I need to do using console programs. It's been a really great thing to notice all of the utilities I have needed are also available as console programs.
I use "slrn" to read the Usenet news, "lynx"/"links" to surf the web, "mutt" to read/send e-mail, "mpg123" to listen to music/internet radiostations. Truly great experience and imagine it works _really_ smoothly and fast on computer which was bought in 1995. I am impressed and a happy FreeBSD user!

Well done /. (1, Redundant)

gdc34 (604385) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112962)

The /. 'editors' do it again..

http://bsd.slashdot.org/ [slashdot.org]

N.B. I realise that the post mentioned it hasn't been officially released- but I suspect the FreeBSD team don't want it to be unofficially released to the general public yet.

Re:Well done /. (1)

mrscorpio (265337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113093)

I guess we're not all clear on how Murray feels about this...

Chris

Announcement. (4, Insightful)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112965)

Although not yet officially announced

Uh, maybe there's a reason? Like they want to finish pushing everything out to the mirrors?

--saint

Holy Crap (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112966)

I got my dick stuck in my dog!

Re:Holy Crap (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112971)

How dare you speak that way about my wife!

Re:Holy Crap (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112978)

That happened to me once. So now when I get horny I just cover my dick with jam and get my dog to lick it off.

BREAKING NEWS! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5112974)

FreeBSD 5 is DEAD!

Mirror (5, Informative)

huhmz (216967) | more than 11 years ago | (#5112992)

Has been available for a couple of days now, since the mirrors are gonna get hit bad now i figure i could contribute with my unofficial 100Mbit mirror.
ISOs for i386 here:
mirror [130.237.77.139]

Dont forget to check the md5sums, I could be an evil blackhat after all. Enjoy.

Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 55 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113000)



I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

FileMirrows.com (1)

tyrnight (633534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113003)

just go to filemirrors.com and put in the file names.. I am getting 225k from european mirrors... hehe

Re:FileMirrows.com (1)

caino59 (313096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113015)

im getting 610k from a euro server as well.

DING! boy that darn near gives me a chubby.

but does RMS like FreeBSD??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113005)

That's what I've always wanted to know.OK, but I want to help the guy and so I publish his ad on slashdot. (RMS is looking for a woman) The ad is taken from his homepage. Go check it out if you don't believe me.

My Personal Ad
I'm a single atheist white man, 49, reputedly intelligent, with
unusual interests in politics, science, music and dance.
I'd like to meet a woman with varied interests, curious about the
world, comfortable expressing her likes and dislikes (I hate
struggling to guess), delighting in her ability to fascinate a man and
in being loved tenderly, who values joy, truth, beauty and justice
more than "success"--so we can share bouts of intense, passionately
kind awareness of each other, alternating with tolerant warmth while
we're absorbed in other aspects of life.
My 19-year-old child, the Free Software Movement, occupies most of my
life, leaving no room for more children, but I still have room to love
a sweetheart. I spend a lot of my time traveling to give speeches,
often to Europe, Asia and Latin America; it would be nice if you were
free to travel with me some of the time.
If you are interested, write to me and we'll see where it leads.

Re:but does RMS like FreeBSD??? (1)

Ricardo Estalman (642819) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113062)

his site is hosted on a FreeBSD server.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host =www.stal lman. org

PARENT NOT A TROLL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113103)

Stupid mods, parent is not a troll. RMS really is looking for a woman and that ad is real. It's in here [stallman.org] .

just in case... (0, Redundant)

pummer (637413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113009)

... the main ftp server gets Slashdotted, here [freebsd.org] are some mirrors.

FreeBSD 5.0 NOT released (4, Insightful)

cperciva (102828) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113018)

Quote from the 4.6 (non)release story [slashdot.org] :
Murray Stokely writes "We have gone over this for the past 2 releases now. I thought I had made it clear that you were not to publish information about FreeBSD being released until you saw a signed PGP message from one of the release engineers. Are you trying to help the spread of trojanned copies of FreeBSD? The release is not ready yet, and will not be until the front page of FreeBSD.org is updated and a PGP signed announcement message is posted to announce@FreeBSD.org."

Unless the rules have changed, slashdot screwed up again.

MOD PARENT UP! QUICK! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113087)

Slashdot has jumped the gun once again!

Re:FreeBSD 5.0 NOT released (2, Interesting)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113142)

from the freeBSD Mail archives about the 4.5 announcement [freebsd.org] :

On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:43:19PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> Not only am I quoted as somehow having announced it (EH?), but
> slashdot has just announced the availability of FreeBSD 4.5. I've
> already posted a correction as part of the ensuing thread, but just a
> heads-up in case you guys start getting questions about it. From
> everything I can see, somebody recycled my 4.4 announcement or
> something and the slashdot editors didn't even bother to verify it.

And this wonderful newsflash is brought to us only a few weeks after the FIRST "Official" CD release of FreeBSD was pre-announced[1]. I immediately followed that up with a story about the 47th "Official" CD release of FreeBSD to be released on January 26, but they never posted it. The editing at Slashdot has been a joke recently. It is very clear that the posters don't even follow the links in the submissions. I will send some pointers to the editors to make sure this never happens again, as I'm sure many readers have already done.
- Murray


i think he is gonna get very angry this time also :))

Early annoucements (4, Insightful)

__past__ (542467) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113019)

I really wonder whether CmdrTaco is just too stupid to learn that a FreeBSD version is released when the release is announced by the release managment team and not when some files appear on some FTP sites, or if this has become some weird kind of personal vendetta or insider joke. Not only that he fucked up for every single release for some years now, they even started to announce release candidates early recently.

Despite being idiotic, this behaviour is really harmful. FreeBSD takes care to let their mirrors prepare for the traffic peak when a new version is released. The early "announcements" on slashdot of course mean that the people managing the mirrors - voluntarily, people not only FreeBSD but lots of free software projects depend on - don't have this time to prepare, and might get major problems, which in turn might mean that they decide not to support FreeBSD and other projects by providing bandwidth for free any more.

Unless this is some funky plan of VA Software or whatever their name is this week to push SourceForge, it would be really nice if slashdot could just stop damaging the Free Software infrastructure.

Re:Early annoucements (1, Insightful)

Tim C (15259) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113126)

They don't just do it to FreeBSD - any time any new version of a major piece of OS software is spotted on an ftp server somewhere, this happens. It has happened (iirc) for X, KDE, Gnome, Mandrake, etc.

Sure, the maintainers could restrict access until everything is ready, then announce the release and open up the servers. But why should they have to?

Jesus people, it only takes a little common courtesy to wait until the announcement is made. Is it really that important to scoop even the project's own site?

Keeping it a secret. (3, Insightful)

vskjefst (455144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113025)

If you don't want the public to spot your releases until they are officially announced, then you should keep them hidden. Upload your files with restricted access to the master ftp and all mirrors, issue the press release, THEN make the files public.

FreeBSD Mirror sitres (2, Interesting)

bihoy (100694) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113040)

When FreeBSD 5.0 is officially released you should be able to get it from one of the FTP sites in the official list.

FTP Sites [freebsd.org]

Mirroring with peer2peer networks (4, Insightful)

root 66 (72128) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113043)

Would be great if those who already completed their downloads of the iso files could share them using their favourite peer2peer program to take some load off of the FTP servers.

Missing features in console mode (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113073)

I like FreeBSD and Linux. They're absolutely great OSs both, but there's one thing I miss when I use FreeBSD. Linux has a console mode where you can have a smooth scroll. For example if you use "cat ", the text scrolls smoothly pixel by pixel not character by character. Also, I would like to customize my FreeBSD box so that when it boots, there would be a graphical logo on the left upper corner of the screen. I know FreeBSD supports splash screen at boot time but it occupies the whole screen.

Glad i got my Download Early. (0, Troll)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113130)

Got mine yesterday.. THEN submitted a story, dont want my rates blown away by everyone on here :).

Interesting how my submission was rejected..

In what release.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113153)

we have gotten rid of that devil mascot logo? I really hoped it was this release, but perhaps the next one. A major number of people refuse to use FreeBSD because of that devil logo. Devil is linked to satan, no matter how hard you try to deny it and say that FreeBSD devil is friendly daemon from Greek mythology. Too bad this major mistake happened in the first place back in the early days of FreeBSD.

I installed FreeBSD once... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113155)

I read all the tutorials and so on, and I had to learn what was going on with all my partitions. I created a new primary partition for FreeBSD to install to, and selected it in that screwy partition selector bit.

It took ages to install each little package thing, and I was horrified when I restarted my computer. The primary FreeBSD partition had set itself as bootable (this was only fixed later by setting the Windows XP partition back to bootable using FreeBSD's installer again). No effort had been made at any kind of dual-booting. My computer booted, started up FreeBSD, spewed senselessness at me and then dropped me at a command prompt with no clue as to what to do next. I promptly set about removing FreeBSD.

Oh yeah ! (3, Funny)

SILIZIUMM (241333) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113165)

And I just downloaded the 4 ISOs of 4.7 yesterday !

But it's not a problem since many people said that it was better for me to stick with 4.7 and then switch to 5.1 or 5.2. Not a problem too since I'M on cable and I downloaded theses ISOs at 300+ kb/s :)

FreeBSD (mirrors) is dying! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5113173)

Extensive evidence from a worldwide network of users and servers indicate That FreeBSD ('s mirrors) are dying- and Slashdot killed them- with their inability to understand that even if there are some files on an FTP server does not mean that it is released- even. A survey of the FreeBSD newsgroups showed that 1100 posts were made today, all of them calling for the head of CmdrTaco. hence, we can extract from these numbers that Slashdot has fucked up again. That, coupled with Garner's latest survey of FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, finds 100% of Slashdot editors completely lacking in common sense, having graduated from the Matt Drudge "Skewl of Jurnalism". This is merely one of the sputtering spasms of in the last act of the dotcom comedy of VA Software nee VA Linux nee Andover. Leading us to believe that FreeBSD ('s mirrors) are dying. (et tu, Slashdot)?

IA64 (0)

sinuhe (580161) | more than 11 years ago | (#5113175)

I believe the 5.0-RELEASE that is out is for IA-64 only. IA-32 is still planning a 4.8 release next month.
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