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Garmin Palm Device With GPS

timothy posted more than 10 years ago | from the useful-convergence dept.

Handhelds 175

Moritz writes "Garmin is introducing a PalmOS5 handheld with GPS, MP3 and 32MB of memory. That's very nice, but why is there no bluetooth? Why can't somebody just get the spec right? Other than that this seems to be a nice addition to the PalmOS lineup."

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Bluetooth is important!! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5118826)

remove the GPS and add the bluetooth!! Its the darn standard!!

Re:Bluetooth is important!! (2, Insightful)

The_K4 (627653) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118944)

I think the point here is there are already ARE handhelds with bluetooth and not GPS...SO if that's what you want this unit isn't for you. HOWEVER if you want a GPS one and don't care about what's "standard" because you want whay you need, this MIGHT be the unit for you. That's what's great about not having ALL handhelds be the same, people have choices, adn can get what they WAY. What an amazing concept....choices.......

Re:Bluetooth is important!! (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119201)

But the people who would want this device would buy it for the GPS, and wouldn't want to pay extra for bluetooth if they'll never use it.

Think about it. If you need GPS, do you think you would be mostly using the thing while you're sitting in your office next to your little bluetooth enabled gizmo?

What's bluetooth going to do for you while you're driving around downtown trying to find some client? When it only takes on the order of 2 seconds to plug in a USB/serial/whatever cable, I

So if this isn't a device you want - go get one with bluetooth and no GPS.

hello (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5118833)

just checking

tee hee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5118834)

is this the fp?

look it rhymed... ha

Picture it... Siciliy... 1933... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5118840)

A young girl dreams of being able to locate her exact position within Sicily using a handheld device made by Palm.

Screw bluetooth... (3, Interesting)

Dman33 (110217) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118849)

Give me 802.11g and more memory. Seriously, 32MB? How hard would it be to put 64 or 128MB? My ancient MP3 player has 64MB integrated... Is there a limitation of the PalmOS or something???

Re:Screw bluetooth... (4, Informative)

jeremyp (130771) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118887)

No, Palm OS is a lot smaller than the equivalent Pocket PC or whatever Microsoft is calling it now.

32Mb is a lot for the average Palm device. Mine only has 8Mb and I've never got close to filling it.

However, 32Mb is smallish for GPS mapping. I have a Garmin GPS receiver with 24Mb which is not enough to get the Garmin maps for the whole UK in.

Re:Screw bluetooth... (1)

Dman33 (110217) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118975)

I do agree with you in that 32MB is sufficient memory for an Palm device... I just cannot see why they should be stingy with the memory since it is cheap and this device touts MP3 playback along with GPS.

As a correction to my origional post, the 802.11g can just be an add-on card... but it would be nice to see 802.11g added to palms in the future as they are backward compatable with 802.11b...

Re:Screw bluetooth... (3, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119033)


32Mb is a lot for the average Palm device. Mine only has 8Mb and I've never got close to filling it.

You obviously have a greyscale Palm. If it was colour that 8 MB would be stuffed with pr0n.

Re:Screw bluetooth... (1)

anlprb (130123) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118940)

I would agree a little on the memory, however, the average GPS unit only has 8 megs for maps. The higher end units have 24. So that is either 24 or 8 megs that you are going to reserve for whatever you want. I would accept that as a nice tradeoff. Today, I need more maps, great, got 32 megs worth about to use. Lots more than entry level GPS units.
This really depends on how you want to view the GPS part.

Re:Screw bluetooth... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119178)

Well, I have an e-map that is going on 3 years old, and I have upgraded it to 32MB of memory, and I would add more. Even though the thing uses flash memory, it is in a proprietary case, If it had a standard compact flash connector, I could have bought a 128MB flash ram for the thing, instead of the 32MB that I got.

So, screw bluetooth, get some standard memory connectors on these things!

Re:Screw bluetooth... (1)

ardiri (245358) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118956)

>> Seriously, 32MB? How hard would it be to put 64 or 128MB?

not hard at all - but, palmos applications dont need large memory footprints. the amount of available ram on palmos is very limited, from 20k on very early units, to 2 megabyte on the latest beasts. if your an application developer, you were lucky to have 256kb of dynamic ram available for use prior to os 5.0 (or, custom devices like sony for hires support)

32Mb on a palmos unit is plenty. ram on a palm is used for program storage, not data storage in many 'normal' situations. surely, storing an mp3 in ram is crazy. thats what expansion memory is fore. 32Mb on a palmos unit is comparing to 96Mb on a PPC unit. palm has a very low memory foot print, and, the applications are not bloatware (unless, of course, programs are written badly) :P

i barely use the 16Mb in my T|T - and, my device gets pushed to its limits on a daily basis playing audio and - of course, being pushed by our own developments :) external memory is perfect, its just a simple swap to get new memory/data for alternative purposes.

Re:Screw bluetooth... (4, Informative)

Tha_Zanthrax (521419) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118978)

screw bluetooth, gimme 802.11g

add 802.11 would be nice, but the point is:
You cannot compare Bluetooth with 802.11g...
Bluetooth is a standard used mostly by small and portable devices to connect to eachother.
802.11g is a wireless networking standard.

both are great technologies but they just can't be compared.

sure you can use Bluetooth for wireless networking but they quality of your connection will surely be beaten by 802.11... cuz that's not what BT was designed for...

These kind of posts are even worse then "M$ sucks and Linux rulezz!!" At least they're comparing two of the same things.

Re:Screw bluetooth... (1)

Dman33 (110217) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119059)

I was not really comparing them. It is just difficult to have both since they both operate on the 2.4Ghz range. I just prefer wireless networking because I find the functionality of bluetooth to be a subset of the functionality of 802.11 in my usage requirements. That is not to say that should be for everyone, so I guess keeping the 802.11 to the expansion bay is appropriate...

These kind of posts are even worse then "M$ sucks and Linux rulezz!!" At least they're comparing two of the same things
Huh?

Re:Screw bluetooth... (1)

neomuzic (459266) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119047)

Just bought the Toshiba e740 myself.
http://pcnation.com/asp/details.asp?item= 81072R
Refurbed $358 reg $599 with a $100 mailin rebate

Pretty sweet, got it on friday

Use it for :
PIM
presentations
projects
word
excel
mp3 player
view pictures
movies
games (emulator ones also)
ebooks / pdf books
emulate palm software

Re:Screw bluetooth... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119188)

way to suck Bill's cock.

Re:Screw bluetooth... - wireless usb (4, Interesting)

victim (30647) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119194)

Yes, please do screw bluetooth. But not in favor of 802.11[abg]. The 802.11 series of protocols is much faster, but also require more power. Bluetooth uses very little power, but is speed limited.

The problem with bluetooth is that it is extrordinairily complex. needlessly complex. The standards comittee took years to create a spec so byzantine that it takes vendors years to implement.

An alternative is coming. Cypress Semiconductors is rolling out wireless USB. In a nutshell...
  • lower cost (simpler = less silicon; $3.50/unit. That is the wireless and the little CPU to run your keyboard, mouse, game controller, or interface to your larger device.)
  • lower latency (low enough for FPS games. 8ms, up to 20ms with 7 devices. Human reaction time is something like 50ms.)
  • higher speed (217kbps)
  • standard software (everything is still USB to your computer)
Their first releases are an integrated HID controller and the upstream bridge which should be available now or very soon. It isn't clear to me if the bridge chip can be used by people making non-HID hardware devices, like PDAs, as a client interface.

You can read their old press release here [cypress.com] . There is a link to a nice PDF at the bottom of that page.

Leading unanswered questions...
  • How does it get along with 802.11[bg]? They are in the same band, both frequency hop.
  • Cell phone companies do not move quickly. Will they consider a cheaper alternative to bluetooth?
  • Is the product on track? Their press release is from November. There is a suspicious lack of information on the Cypress site. Their projected milestone was Q1'03, so they still have time.
Me, I hope Wireless USB catches on. I'd love to make wireless USB connected balls like these [gadgets.co.uk] to use as system status indicators. Yes it is needlessly complex, but it compensates by being oddly cool.

It has an SD slot (5, Informative)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118857)

So, if this is SD/IO capable then you can drop a bluetooth card in there.

Re:It has an SD slot (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118935)

Problem is, then you have an antenna sticking out of a device that's supposed to fit into your pocket, ready to snag on something and break off.

SDIO bluetooth is no substitute for an integrated solution.

Re:It has an SD slot (1)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119119)

Good point, although a cynic might point to the GPS antenna... OK, OK, that folds in when not in use, I know.

Actually I imagine it would need quite a lot of force to snap an SD card in too.

Re:It has an SD slot (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119173)

A fold-in BT antenna would be cool. As a matter of fact, the other day I saw an xJack antenna on an 802.11 card, which I thought was a GREAT idea.

I'm thinking that the slot connector would pull out of its solder joint before the card would snap. Snagging bad.

Re:It has an SD slot (1)

mattdm (1931) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119406)

Yeah, but it's only got 32MB of built-in RAM. Between GPS maps and MP3s, you're going to want to use that for additional memory.

I'd prefer... (4, Interesting)

ClockworkPlanet (244761) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118862)

... one of these to go with my Sony/Ericsson T68, HBH30 bluetooth headset and Palm Tungsten T:

Socket Bluetooth GPS Receiver [socketcom.com]

This offers much more flexibility, and I can leave the phone in my pocket, the GPS in my bag and use two hands to navigate the maps and links on the Palm.

Re:I'd prefer... (1)

smart.id (264791) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118903)

That doesn't look like it's compatable with the Palm OS. It only says Pocket PC 2002 and mentions Tablet PCs as well I think.

Are you sure that setup would work? Have you tried going online using your Palm with your T68? (And if so, what cell phone service/plan do you use?)

Re:I'd prefer... (2, Interesting)

Locutus (9039) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118985)

They'd be idiots if they didn't implement this with the SPP Profile( serial ). That' way it's just a serial device and any software which can read a serial device and parse NMEA would work.

Of course they seem to be somewhat idiotic by only mentioning Microsofts crappy products as being compatible. IMO.

LoB

Re:I'd prefer... (1)

zorglubxx (513559) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118990)

Yes it is - it's Bluetooth and supports NMEA. All you need is a Palm OS program that knows to access it via BT instead of via the serial port. One of these is Digi-Map (search at Google).

I've been connecting my Palm m505, m515 and Tungsten via BT and an Ericsson T39 and it works great. Will work great with a T68 too. If you combine it with GORS (fast establishment of connection and fast download rates) then it's quite nice. You can surf the web, check email while waiting at the tram stop.

Going on line with a T68 and a Palm Tungsten (3, Informative)

ClockworkPlanet (244761) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119107)

One of the best things about the T68/Tungsten combo is how easy it is to get online with it. The Tungsten discovered the phone quickly and I was able to set it up easily. Having the two connected is great - I sent all of my phone contacts to the bluetooth with a couple of clicks and use the Tungsten SMS software regularly.

Getting on to the internet was also fairly simple. My phone is connected to the Orange network in the UK, so I called them (dial 156) and got them to activate GPRS. With GPRS activated Orange become my ISP and I pay them for KB downloaded.

Then I opened the preferences on Web Pro and set the service as orange, the user name as orange, entered the password, and chose my 'BT to t68' connection. In the phone number box I wrote "*99***1#" (information I got from a newsgroup) and I set up the primary and secondary DNS information from the Orange web site.

I'd reccommend turning off images to safe money.

Setting up Versa Mail was a little trickier, but the system very useable once set up.

Re:I'd prefer... (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118957)

That's awesome, thanks for the link. Now, if the mobile phone vendors would only do the same thing( sealed pod with Bluetooth ). Of course the T68i isn't THAT large but still could be smaller without all the UI stuff.

LoB

Re:I'd prefer... (2, Informative)

letxa2000 (215841) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119117)

I have an m130 and just last month purchased a Navman m-series GPS adapter. You just slap it onto the back of the m130 and you have NMEA GPS via the serial port. It seems to work great! M130=$230 and Navman=$160. Total price=$390.

That said, what I've found most lacking is good GPS software for the Palm. I wonder if the authors of the GPS software actually use their own software. The best I've found so far is Cetus GPS. What it does, it does well--but there are many "obvious" features missing, IMHO.

I'm working on new software, though... :)

Three words (5, Informative)

anlprb (130123) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118867)

Secure Digital Slot.
This is functionality that is being moved out into secondary cards, because the chipsets and antenna have become small enough. A GPS Antenna has to be significantly larger, hence, the Handspring cards, and this Antenna. Personally, I use the eTrex Vista a LOT, and this will probably be my next handheld, after a Visor Platinum. Good work Garmin.

only 32MB? (0, Redundant)

Googa (608200) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118868)

Why not put in something like 512MB? It's not like it takes any more space these days... and it should cost a full $2 more to integrate. No bluetooth? No 802.11g? Come on - all or nothing please!

Re:only 32MB? (2, Interesting)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118942)

Do you use a Palm Pilot? Unless you're trying to use it as portable MP3 player, it really doesn't need much memory. It doesn't seem to have the bloat of MSFT based products. I've been looking for things to fill the memory on my M515... at 5MB, a dictionary has been the best addition! Anyway, if you need more memery, it is expandable.

Re:only 32MB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119274)

Do you use a GPS? Unless you only travel with a confined space, it needs memory. Maps take space. Lots of space. The roadmaps (from garmins roads and recs data set) for LA alone will fill 8MB. More standard memory would be better on this unit.

Re:only 32MB? (1)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119001)

Well, besides the point made above about Palm in general not needing as much RAM as Pocekt PCs etc., it's important to remember that more RAM=shorter battery life.

The correct thing to do with a PalmOS device is to store bulky data on a memory card.

Compare it with your desktop PC. You don't put 80Gb of RAM in it, do you? No, you put 256Mb of RAM and an 80Gb HDD. Same with the Palm; the 32Mb is for running programs (and for storing stuff you want always to be available).

OK, some would say this contradicts my point above about getting Bluetooth or 802.11b via the SDIO card, but if you want to dial the internet and listen to MP3s at the same time, you have my permission to buy a Pocket PC. They suck on many levels, but do have a lot of wizzy features for people who like that sort of thing. ;-)

Re:only 32MB? (1)

enjo13 (444114) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119042)

Ok troll, I'll bite.

Your $2 figure is ridiculous. The type of RAM that goes into your standard PDA is NOT the same as what goes into your PC. While the basic circuitry is the same, the style of RAM in a PDA is graded to run at much lower voltage than your PC.

As a consequence of that it is MUCH mroe expensive.

A better reason for the lower memory amounts is battery life. More RAM requires more drain on the battery.. it's pretty simple if you think about it. RAM requires a near constant flow of electricty, whether the device is powered on or not. The more RAM you have (requiring more electricity) the bigger the drain on the battery.

Re:only 32MB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119151)

The farther up the value chain you go, the cheaper components are. $4 Bluetooth chipsets become $150 SD devices by the time they hit retail. A tree is cheaper than a wood chair.

I'd be suprized if Palm RAM is more than >$1/8Mb :)

Re:only 32MB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119352)

Hmm. I can get compact flash memory for my camera in the $1/MB range. I don't see why I shouldn't be able to get memory for any other device in this range as well.

Oh, yes. I know. Manufactures put the price as low as possible on the GPS in order to sell the things. When the user actually decieds that they need more memory (which they will soon, if they use there GPS at all), they find out that they can only by memory from the manufacturer.

Even though it uses compact flash memory, my emap takes it in a proprietary case. Only available through Garmin, or authorized dealers. 4 times as expensive as it ought to be. Sucks.

Battery life isn't as much of a problem as you think. You store the bulk of the data on the flash ram card (no battery required), and only access it as you move from map zone to map zone.

Not much music (5, Funny)

helixcode123 (514493) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118881)

If this unit comes with 32 MB that's room for only seven songs. Gee, why not advertise that it plays movies too. 30 whole seconds worth!
Oh. You want maps and music? Sorry Charlie.

Re:Not much music (2, Informative)

jockm (233372) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118922)

Thats why it has a SD slot. Add as much storage as you like.

Re:Not much music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5118939)

Who the hell is Charlie?

32 megs of memory!!!! (-1, Flamebait)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118895)

Wow im excited! I really have been looking hard to find a PDA that plays mp3's that I can fit 5 songs on! Maybe they are trying to shut down p2p sharing by making mp3 players have so little memory that nobody will want to download songs! Next come out with a 64 meg divx player and im hooked! Yay for gps, but what good is it knowing you are 60 miles 32'S 64'W of home if you only have 5 songs to listen to on the way! Didnt i read that the new smallest hd now has 20 gigs of space? Flash memory is all nice and dandy...but i want a minimum of a few gigs for any mp3 player.

Re:32 megs of memory!!!! (1)

chenry007 (211197) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119058)

..or you could buy a 512meg SD, than way you can have about 120 songs to listen to while you go geo profiling.

Why not, why not... (5, Insightful)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118897)

Its a common thing with the slashdot crowd, something comes along with GPS and they moan about bluetooth (there could be issues with the GPS getting interference from bluetooth). If it had bluetooth it would be 802.11b, if it had that it would be the screen size, if it had that it would be too big.

HEY FOLKS A QUICK REALITY CHECK.

Having EVERYTHING costs money, these devices are aimed at sectors that want "just enough" at a reasonable price rather than "every damn thing under the sun" just so you can impress your mates.

If it had everything and was $1000 you'd bitch about the price.

In summary: The Slashdot crowd wants

A Tablet PC with a flexible paper thin screen that can be folded from the size of a credit card to A0, which has GPS, Bluetooth, Firewire 400 & 800, USB 1 and 2, every wireless connection method under the Sun, IRDA, Biometric authentication, works via a keyboard or a "keyboard glove", has a 15Ghz Transmeta processor, 1TB of RAM, 1PB of Storage, runs off a single AA battery for 3 year, runs Linux and responds to scribbles or the spoken word.

And costs under $100. Only then will people on Slashdot not moan about the features... except to complain how X they bought a year ago is now out of date and uncool.

Re:Why not, why not... (3, Funny)

swordboy (472941) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118919)

In summary: The Slashdot crowd wants

A Tablet PC with a flexible paper thin screen that can be folded from the size of a credit card to A0, which has GPS, Bluetooth, Firewire 400 & 800, USB 1 and 2, every wireless connection method under the Sun, IRDA, Biometric authentication, works via a keyboard or a "keyboard glove", has a 15Ghz Transmeta processor, 1TB of RAM, 1PB of Storage, runs off a single AA battery for 3 year, runs Linux and responds to scribbles or the spoken word.


You forgot waterproof.

Re:Why not, why not... (1)

syzygyzm (191702) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119134)

In summary: The Slashdot crowd wants

A Tablet PC with a flexible paper thin screen that can be folded from the size of a credit card to A0, which has GPS, Bluetooth, Firewire 400 & 800, USB 1 and 2, every wireless connection method under the Sun, IRDA, Biometric authentication, works via a keyboard or a "keyboard glove", has a 15Ghz Transmeta processor, 1TB of RAM, 1PB of Storage, runs off a single AA battery for 3 year, runs Linux and responds to scribbles or the spoken word.

You forgot waterproof.


Submersible, actually. I do a lot of wilderness canoeing with a GPS.

most important of all (4, Funny)

gohai (554042) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118966)

it has to play OGG Vorbis!

Re:Why not, why not... (1)

mosch (204) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119003)

Don't forget, the AA battery should be a li-ion rechargeable, it should run on Linux using open source software, it should use standard PC hardware, it should not implement drm, it should support ogg and it should fellate you.

Re:Why not, why not... (0, Flamebait)

adamruck (638131) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119006)

how much material does it actually take to produce a pda? I dought more then 10 bucks. So 577 bucks for the design and manufactoring per pda doesn't that seem like alot?

Re:Why not, why not... (1)

zapfie (560589) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119257)

how much material does it actually take to produce a pda? I dought more then 10 bucks.So 577 bucks. for the design and manufactoring per pda doesn't that seem like alot?

Would you care to enlighten us with the research you did that made you arrive at that $10 figure? Maybe quoting some component costs from vendors or whatnot? Oh, what's that? You just pulled that number out of your ass?

Uh, news flash. Vague guesses do not make a PDA cost less than $10 to make, just because that's what you 'feel' it is. Do some research into the costs of color LCD displays that size alone, never mind the other components... I dare you to find me one that's less than $10.

Re:Why not, why not... (1)

zorglubxx (513559) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119010)

Your forgot - not only it should run Linux but should be possible to create a beowulf cluster.

Re:Why not, why not... (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119069)

I have to agree somewhat. There's been alot of talk about 802.11 in this thing but these people must think that there's free energy getting beamed to this thing. Since it's a GPS device, you're gonna be on the road/away and battery life is a big deal.

They should have nix'ed the mp3 player and either added more ram or Bluetooth. IMO.

LoB

I seem to have this dilemma with palmtops (2, Interesting)

Neophytus (642863) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118901)

They are always good in one area, but in another area I need it is skimped upon or left out. This is a pest because it would be incredibly handy to have one for my work but I cann't bring myself to waste money on something inadiquite.
Perhaps my problem is I just don't have enough money to spend on a whizz-bang one. Ah. Thats it.

IMHO (5, Interesting)

prichardson (603676) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118902)

I like my electronics to be seperate and small. I don't want a phone/MP3/PDA/GPS/condom dispenser. A device like that would be too big. I want a small phone, a small GPS, a small MP3 player, and a small PDA. In total they would be bigger than the all-in-one, but you could store them in different locations as well. Also, if your single unit breaks, your screwed. And there's always the fact that I don't want a PDA or GPS device. I only want a phone and an MP3 player. The only logical combination I can come up with is the phone/GPS device.

Re:IMHO (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119141)

That's what I've been telling the mobile phone makers at Comdex and CES for 2 years now. These companies remind me of Handspring. They've lost the ability to innovate in their sector/productline so they have to try merging with another sector in hopes of growth.

Integration at the expense of usability won't work and when they've got to throw the whole thing out when a feature breaks or becomes useless( new service ), users will get pissed.

Bluetooth is low power and allows a many 2 many use model. That's the sales model they should be going for. Sell products that'll work in the car and easily work in the home or where ever.

LoB

small problem--the screen (2, Insightful)

Kneht (218314) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119245)

phones are getting bigger, better screens ...

PDAs are getting bigger, better screens ...

GPSs are getting bigger, better screens ... (for mapping)

These devices can no longer always be small. Having a single screen for several devices helps offset this fact.

Re:IMHO (3, Funny)

ActiveSX (301342) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119371)

I don't want a phone/MP3/PDA/GPS/condom dispenser.

You read Slashdot. You don't need a condom dispenser.

The EMP Cruise Missile has arrived [Rejected] (-1, Offtopic)

Mulletproof (513805) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118905)

WTF is up with you people at Slashdot? You'll have shit like SMS Messaging Unreliable [slashdot.org] and Speak & Spell Hacking For Fun And Profit [slashdot.org] , rendunant double stories and even outright lies [slashdot.org] but not something like:

The EMP Cruise Missile has arrived. (articles,tech) (rejected) 2003-01-20 15:26:05
Didn't think much of those EMP Artillery shells [slashdot.org] ? According to Time Magazine [time.com] , The US military has developed the High Powered Microwave cruise missile, capable of generating 2 billion watts of power broadcast over an area off 1000 feet, perfect for those late night electronic barbeques.

Rejections: 15/15. Damn right it's Offtopic.

Re:The EMP Cruise Missile has arrived [Rejected] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119020)

'so?'

it's not like it's too innovative..

putting electronic warfare stuff on warheads is ancient history too!

Re:The EMP Cruise Missile has arrived [Rejected] (1, Flamebait)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119144)

Actually a pretty interesting story. Now for the next question - how long before the other side gets the idea of making a "suitcase bomb" version and sticking it in an urban area?

Shouldn't be too hard - you don't have to worry about size, transportability, or even power source (tap into the local grid).

Oops - now when you try to re-submit the article, the Department of Homeland Defense (or whatever) is going to come knocking on your door.

lacking (1)

adamruck (638131) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118907)

considering the major features its lacking, I would never pay a whooping 589 bucks for this thing.

THE WORD IS IN, READERS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119060)

Some self-important assbag on slashdot doesn't want one.

Thank you for your insight, adamruck. Now we all know what we want and what we dont.

Because when you're on the road, trying to find your way to a client and keep on schedule, nothing's more important than bluetooth support!

Re:THE WORD IS IN, READERS (0)

adamruck (638131) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119100)

Because when you're on the road, trying to find your way to a client and keep on schedule, nothing's more important than bluetooth support

ever try a map? or setting your alarm clock a little sooner? How about the people who would rather have bluetooth then gps becuase they work in there city?

Re:THE WORD IS IN, READERS (2, Insightful)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119405)

ever try a map?

Yes. It did not beep to tell me when to turn. I could not download a route to it. It could not be updated over the web. Yeah. It sucked.

or setting your alarm clock a little sooner?

If you have to be at client A at 9:00AM, client B at noon, and client C at 3:00PM, how does setting your alarm clock sooner help you get to clients B and C on time?

How about the people who would rather have bluetooth then gps becuase they work in there city?

How about people who would rather have a socket wrench because they work in a garage? What the f*** kind of dumb-assed question is that? This device is obviously aimed at people who need GPS. Duh!

Here's a clue for you: Garmin builds GPSs. It's what they do. Complaining that Garmin included GPS rather than Bluetooth is is like being pissed off that McDonalds meal came with fries rather than socks.

Re:lacking (1)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119159)

Sorry, this isn't clear. Exactly what major features is it lacking apart from integrated wireless? It's basically a state of the art PalmOS device with a GPS built into it!

Myself, given a choice between the OS5 Sony and this, I'd go for this even though I don't really need a GPS device; GPS sounds just as useful as a digital camera, and the Garmin doesn't have a Memory Stick slot!

Guys... (3, Funny)

mschoolbus (627182) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118909)

Just wait for this story the 2nd time around, I am sure it will be up as soon as taco hears about it in a few days...

Hopefully they fixed the Palm OS 5 audio problem (2, Informative)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118924)

I picked up a Tungsten T a while back, thinking it'd make a decent MP3 player with the addition of some memory. AeroPlayer [aerodromesoftware.com] works fairly well, but a bug in the firmware makes it sound like ass...it sounds like you're listening through a cheap transistor radio. (There's a low-pass filter that's set too low.) Messages in this forum [yahoo.com] indicate that that the problem goes away with patched firmware, but no patch is available. The latest word is that an update should be available around the time that RealPlayer becomes available; that was supposed to happen last month.

The specs of this new gadget don't sound too different from the Tungsten T...they exchanged Bluetooth and the 5-way navigation pad for GPS and twice as much memory. It's likely to have the same audio problem, unless Palm is supplying Garmin with a fixed version of Palm OS.

My complaint about Garmin (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5118926)

After reading this post, you will never again be able to trust Garmin, and you will see with crystal clarity the way that by an odd twist of fate, I am appalled that I have cause to write this article. For practical reasons, I have to confine my discussion to areas that have received insufficient public attention or in which I have something new to say. The last time I told Garmin's secret agents that I want to stand uncompromised in a world that's on the brink of Garmin-induced disaster, they declared in response, "But Garmin is the ultimate authority on what's right and what's wrong." Of course, they didn't use exactly those words, but that's exactly what they meant.

Garmin's surrogates will carry the product of its work into the future, even after Garmin itself is long gone. It's a pity. Garmin needs to stop living in denial. It needs to wake up and realize that it is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every money-grubbing ideology finds expression in Garmin.

Garmin claims that it knows 100% of everything 100% of the time. That claim illustrates a serious reasoning fallacy, one that is pandemic in its grievances. Then again, Garmin should not give the most depraved scalawags you'll ever see far more credibility than they deserve. Not now, not ever. So long as the devastating inequities that characterize our society persist, Garmin's helpers will be unable to deny that it possesses no significant intellectual skills whatsoever and has no interest in erudition. Heck, it can't even spell or define "erudition," much less achieve it.

The elasticity of Garmin's interpretation of the Bible shields it from having to take a stand for anything morally correct yet politically (spiritually?) unpopular, period. I cannot conceive of any circumstance under which Garmin's hastily mounted campaigns could be considered appropriate. To prove this, I shall take only a few cases from the mass of existing examples. I don't know if I speak for anybody but myself on this, but we must overcome the fears that beset us every day of our lives. We must overcome the fear that Garmin will prey on people's fear of political and economic instability. And to overcome these fears, we must bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives. Let's just ignore Garmin and see what it does. For better or for worse, Garmin's inclinations are rife with contradictions and difficulties; they're utterly capricious, meet no objective criteria, and are unsuited for a supposedly educated population. And as if that weren't enough, Garmin's obscene theories can be quite educational. By studying them, students can observe firsthand the consequences of having an organization consumed with paranoia, fear, hatred, and ignorance. Our goal must now be to expose Garmin's crusades for what they really are. If you believe that that's a worthwhile goal, then I can indisputably use your help. Let me hear from you.

Great! (1, Funny)

Omkar (618823) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118929)

Now if only I could find a compelling reason to own a PDA. I've been trying to think of an excuse, but the thing is, Post-it notes work fine for me. I gues I just have no life.

Wonder how many more people will post (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118953)

"I don't need/want one so therefore it's useless"

I mean, get over yourselves. Obviously Palm is selling enough of these to people who do need or want them, and their customers obviously don't particularly care about bluetooth yet.

because (0, Interesting)

briancnorton (586947) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118960)

How about because bluetooth is a completely useless waste of money that serves no point and has yet to find a solid implementation? Oops, did I think that out loud?

I just got a Tungnsten... (1)

terraformer (617565) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118961)

...and I chose to go the route of a stand alone GPS unit (Magellan Sportrak GPS [magellangps.com] ) that did not have the mapping capabilities but could track routes and dl back to my PC. I then use Delorme [delorme.com] XMap and Topo to read in the routes to make trail maps, etc. Delorme's software does not load onto a GPS unit but it does on Palm and CE, connects to the GPS from the Palm providing all of the functionality and it is far more detailed than Magellan's Mapsend.

It also has routing capabilities (ie; MapQuest directions) and will route on both the PC and the PDA. Also, with this configuration I am not limited by the PDA's low battery capacity and only go to it when I need to look at the map (ie; I set up waypoints in advance in the GPS). I do a lot of outdoor activities mtn bike/camp etc; and this scenario, although not as elegant as an all-in-one, works for what I need it for.

sounds good but (1)

tps12 (105590) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118963)

This device is of no use to me. I don't speak a word of Garmin.

Newest Palm Devices over-priced? (3, Interesting)

Malc (1751) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118991)

Is it me, or are the newest Palm (Palm OS 5???) devices over-priced. They're getting in to the same price range as Pocket PCs, yet they don't have as much functionality or versatility. I recently opted to get a Palm M515 for CAD$360 (USD$230) and it fullfills my needs well. It seems to me that the increase in functionality going to a new Palm is less than the increase in functionality going to a PPC, yet the price increases are almost the same.

Re:Newest Palm Devices over-priced? (2, Interesting)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119230)

Well, recently I spent a week using a Pocket PC instead of my trusty Palm. A 206MHz Strongarm, rather than the newer XScale, but at the moment thereis little difference between the two.

And I hated it. The user interface, the quality of the built-in software, the fact that I could get an hourglass up just by doing normal things.

What did I like about it? Well, the hi-res screen was lovely, and playing media back was kinda neat (although I much prefer my iPod for that).

So my experience with the PocketPC taught me that my ideal PDA would run PalmOS, have faster SD card access, a hi-res screen and decent audio out. Which pretty much describes a Tungsten, although the audio quality is not quite there nbext (software patch in the works to fix that though).

Re:Newest Palm Devices over-priced? (3, Interesting)

Raptor CK (10482) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119423)

I think it's just you.

OS 5 handhelds are about half the speed (at worst) of the latest PPCs using the same CPU, and have half the RAM.

However, with Execute In Place, and the generally more efficient Palm software, those 32 MB of RAM and 150-200 MHz of CPU power are actually getting you a lot more than the PPCs can provide.

Let's just pick one example, the Clie NX60 (no camera, so we're back at a reasonable price)

- 200 MHz ARM chip (XScale, I think)
- 32 MB of RAM
- CF slot (currently only supports an 802.11b card, third party support may come later for other devices)
- Memory stick slot
- Keyboard
- 320x480 resolution
- Audio recording and playback

Say what you want about Memory Sticks, the point is that it can hold extra storage space and still have room for wireless.

With the exception of the Dell Axim, which is horrendously inexpensive, I'd say the new OS5 handhelds are very reasonably priced, given their capabilities.

It's Garmin, folks. think GPS not PDA (4, Interesting)

tamarik (1163) | more than 10 years ago | (#5118999)

Garmin comes from the GPS side of this. They're not known for PDAs. I can't see where all 3 would be useful in situations where the GPS is used a lot. And the description doesn't mention water resistance. Makes any GPS useless for real world usage, IMHO.

As for no networking, my Garmin 76S has a 4 wire conn to my laptop. Serial, true, but plenty fast enough to load maps and routes into it's 24meg. I've never looked into it to see how that part works.I can load maps into it at the nav station and then take it up to the wheel. In the car, it's even easier. Laptop sits on an unoccupied seat and the GPS is against the windshield.

As for the 32meg, I get 4 books, nav s/w, games, etc on my 8meg Visor Edge. Plenty and it's at least somewhat water resistent. (Haven't dropped in the drink, but rain hasn't drowned it... yet) Colour screen would be nice. Reading a book on the GPS would be easier to read than the Edge, me thinks...

As for the MP3 player, I've got a stereo on the boat and in the car. When I'm walking/hiking, I like the sounds around me better. Then again, I'm not a big music-on-the-go buff.

Nice toy for somebody else, I guess. But with $589 I could get a good set of ......

Re:It's Garmin, folks. think GPS not PDA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119089)

I didn't know a set of six periods cost $589.00.

Why no hard drive-based PDAs? (4, Interesting)

mccalli (323026) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119009)

I'm curious as to why no-one has brought out a hard drive-based PDA as yet.

I'm an iPod owner, and when it came out I thought that very soon there'd be a ton of PDAs ditching their 32Mb RAM and moving over to fitting the same sort of mini hard drive that the iPod has. However, none have arrived that I'm aware of. Strange, I honestly believed that would be the next step. The iPod has shown that music listening is popular, so I would have thought that there's room for a PDA which does more than just the classic contacts/calendar/task list.

Does anyone know of a PDA which is hard drive-based?

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Why no hard drive-based PDAs? (4, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119044)

HDDs are prone to failure, ideally a PDA would outlast any piece of hardware. I don't think I'd put too much trust in a PDA that wasn't completely solid state.

That's why you only want the calendar/contacts type of tasks on it. GPS sounds like a more logical inclusion than MP3, frankly. Unless it could record MP3 (ie; take 'memo to selfs' on the go)

Do you want to lose your list of business contacts and scheduled appointments because the HDD full of 20 giggzorz of Britney Spears tunes crashed?

When devices start being designed to do 'everything', I find they do nothing well. You're probably better off to keep the iPod for it's task and the PDA for another.

Re:Why no hard drive-based PDAs? (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119053)

Probably because they'd be huge and heavy. The only thing worthwhile using would be maybe the microdrives from IBM (I think it was IBM, someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong). They're tiny, large capacity, and extraordinarily expensive. Hence, nobody would buy the handhelds. That sucks because I'm with you, a HD based handheld would make a lot of sense.

32 meg memory whiners (1, Redundant)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119035)

For those of you going on about how theres ONLY 32 megs of memory on this thing for your MP3s, if you actually read the specs on it there's an SD expansion slot on the unit. For those who don't know what THAT means: as much memory as you want to buy.

Re:32 meg memory whiners (1)

stevejsmith (614145) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119077)

Yeah, but that memory don't come cheap! If I'm going to pay over $500 for a PDA, I would like it to have enough memory to listen to a whole album, please.

Re:32 meg memory whiners (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119225)

I know it sucks, but high tech ain't cheap. Never has been, never will be. Shit, I could do with a Palm Vx, but they don't sell those anymore since they'd be like 50 bucks in stores if they were still there. No profit there. Old models are phased out, new ones brought in with more useless features at a higher price. Ain't consumer electronics fun! :)

On the other hand, if you buy a PDA to listen to music there's something wrong with you. With all the MP3 players out there you should be able to find one at a quarter the price that suits your needs. Personally, I use a portable MD recorder for my music. I fucking LOVE that thing.

A much cheaper option. (4, Informative)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119043)

The other night I was walking through a rat shack and noticed a GPS unit for handhelds on the wall for $99. I did a little research into it when I got home and found out that it's actually made by DeLorme, comes with XMap/Street Atlas 2003 and supports the NMEA output standards. Output from the GPS unit itself is an RJ11 jack, and it includes three cables (Palm mSeries, iPaq 31xx/36xx, iPaq 38xx/39xx) with others supposedly available online for laptops. After a little tinkering and figuring, I got it working just fine with my monochrome iPaq 3150.

I went to a different rat shack last night to pick up the unit, and found even more surprises. It's on sale right now (if you can catch the promotion before they pretend it doesn't exist - one place said it never existed, the other said it -shouldn't- exist even though they had the red and white tag on the wall) for $69. It runs on batteries or 6 volts of DC for maximum flexibility. With my particular iPaq of the non-sync-charging variety, there's no reason I can't charge the iPaq and the GPS at the same time with a decent dual outlet inverter.

For a total cost of $300 (Including the $150 iPaq) I have a perfect wardriving kit in need of software. Yes, I'm rambling. Time for Concerta.

Re:A much cheaper option. (1)

jridley (9305) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119132)

Yeah, but it's a piece of crap. A friend has one of these, and it will lose signal in places where other GPSs, including my eTrex, will still be working fine. Also it's not waterproof, even if it says it is.
Also it will run on batteries, but it uses AAA's and the battery life is HORRIBLY short.
You can buy an eTrex for $99 and have a pretty nice standalone, and get the serial cable if you want to use it in conjunction with a computer/pda as well. With the data cable it does push the price up a bit but personally I just need standalone GPS most of the time, so I get to carry something that's smaller than my PDA, instead of having to carry my PDA *and* another piece *and* the wiring between the two when walking in the woods, etc.

Call me a Luddite but.., (4, Funny)

Chocolate Teapot (639869) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119051)

You know, I used to look at devices like this and think 'Wow! That's pretty cool!' But then I stopped to think what possible use I might have for one of these things. Let's examine the functionality.

Mapping Software. You have to travel pretty extensively to require a pocket atlas. Most 'normal' people can take a quick look at a map before they leave and maybe scribble a couple of notes on a PostIt. If I have an appointment, it is not unusual for someone to email me a local map in advance.

GPS. GPS! For God's sake! When was the last time you got so lost that you needed friggin' GPS to pinpoint your location to the nearest ten feet. If you are that bad at navigating, you should not be let out alone. Does it come with distress flares and a survival kit?

Voice recorder for making memos, quick notes, and messages on the fly. Just in case the GPS let's you down, you can leave a message for your loved ones - assuming anybody finds your cold, lifeless body.

Rechargeable internal Lithium-ion battery. If you are so goddam far from civilisation that you need GPS to safe your sorry hide, where are you gonna plug it in?

Built-in 32 MB of memory for downloading map data and other Palm OS-compatible software. At this point I would prefer a means of lighting a fire and perhaps obtaining fresh food and water. A raft would be useful. I suppose you would die secure in the knowledge that your Palm Pilot was fully up-to-date.

New ARM processor enhances battery life, screen redraw, graphics, and audio. Can it skin a rabbit or fend off hungry crocodiles?.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that you are the kind of person who needs 80% of the above features in order to manage your hectic schedule. You must be a pretty busy guy huh? Probably one of the high-flying, go-get-em entrepreneurs who can never afford to miss an appointment or be in the wrong place at the wrong time. In which case, where the fuck do you find the time to play games and listen to MP3s?

This is a toy for pencil dicks who can't afford a Ferrari.

Re:Call me a Luddite but.., (1)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119116)

Or it's a toy for outdoor types that like climbing around barely charted woods and mountains, and knowing that no matter what they can find their way home with minimal fuss, or communicate a precise location to help in an emergency. Or it's something for delivery drivers that need to go from point A to point B without ever having been there before, like the poor schmucks from Dell support that drove 2 hours out of Boston to deliver us a hard drive replacement on a server but got lost twice on unfamiliar New Hampshire roads.

Sure, 99% of people have no need for this. If I didn't have an interest in wardriving as a hobby, and wasn't going to be taking trips to Boston or NYC on a semi-regular basis, I wouldn't either. But as mentioned in my above post, for $300 it became worth it to me.

Re:Call me a Luddite but.., (1)

Chocolate Teapot (639869) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119193)

Or it's a toy for outdoor types that like climbing around barely charted woods and mountains, and knowing that no matter what they can find their way home with minimal fuss, or communicate a precise location to help in an emergency.
So they are going to trust their lives to a device whose batteries have an even shorter life-expectancy than they do? Give me a map and compass any day. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of 'getting away from it all' to, well, get away from it all? Leave the gadgets in the office where they belong.

Re:Call me a Luddite but.., (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119412)

Trust their lives to a device whose batteries have an even shorter life expectancy than they do? Do you want 70 year batteries? I think a unit that will last for 12 hours is more than adequite for finding your way back. And who the hell cares what the point of 'getting away from it all' is, just do what you want to do to enjoy yourself. Why should you be forced to conform to someone else's notion of a good time in the woods. I mean some people just need a knothole and some vasaline... Does everyone's life have to live out a stereotype?

Re:Call me a Luddite but.., (1, Informative)

Major Woody (637497) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119164)

> Mapping Software. You have to travel pretty
> extensively to require a pocket atlas. Most
> 'normal' people can take a quick look at a map
> before they leave and maybe scribble a couple of
> notes on a PostIt. If I have an appointment, it
> is not unusual for someone to email me a local
> map in advance.

I'll be getting something like this because my job will require me to be shipped off to all kinds of different places. However, I won't be getting this particular device but rather a StreetPilot III. My research has shown that the current PDA-based solutions really don't hold a candle to the SP3. And although the SP3 is a bit pricey (US$750 minimum), you really can't put a price tag on the peace of mind that being able to drive aorund in a strange place without fear of getting lost will give you.

Re:Call me a Luddite but.., (1)

vrmlguy (120854) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119363)

I spend a lot of time outdoors, hiking and such, and I've wanted one of these for years. So let's take your points one at a time, and compare them to a real-world example:
  • Mapping Software
    While I'd still want to carry a paper map as a backup, it's useful to know how much farther it is to your planned lunch-stop or night camp.
  • GPS
    A lot of time, I find something interesting (swimming hole, scenic lookout, etc) thats not on the map and that I'd like to find again someday. This lets you note a location so that you can find it again.
  • Voice recorder for making memos, quick notes, and messages on the fly.
    If I'm walking along a trail, it's easier to record a note than to stop and look at the screen so I can write something. I can transcribe later, after the sun goes down.
  • Rechargeable internal Lithium-ion battery.
    While IC manufacturing isn't very "green", I still see no reason to use and throw away a set of batteries every two or three weeks.
  • Built-in 32 MB of memory for downloading map data and other Palm OS-compatible software.
    Always a good thing. My current Palm OS device only came with 8 MB, and it's about three-quarter's full right now, so I'd probably use the extra room for maps and such.
  • New ARM processor enhances battery life, screen redraw, graphics, and audio.
    Enhanced battery life is good, since I might have to go several days between recharges.
Until now, I'd have to carry a GPS, a PDA, and a voice recorder to duplicate this device's fucntions. When you're on a walkabout, every ounce counts, so I tend to only carry the PDA. This means that I can only record notes when I've stopped, and exact locations have to be figured out from a map and my notes after the trip.

All in all, I'd want to buy one, although the price is a bit steep; it's more than a good pair of hiking boots. If my job took be outdoors a lot (park ranger, for instance), I can see the current price being very easy to justify.

Re:Call me a Luddite but.., (1, Insightful)

the_verb (552510) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119383)

Nah, you're not a Luddite. You're just a really boring prick.

I mean, if you've never actually had to make it to a client's office on short notice in a town you've never visited before, and you don't have time to scour a four year old paper map for the street name of the office park, then plan a route, I can understand why you might think GPS units are toys for wannabee mountain men. As someone who rarely feels like unfolding a 4'x4' paper map while I'm driving, just to double-check that I'm on the right path, a GPS unit is invaluable. As someone who's never been great with directions, having a GPS unit to orient myself while traveling is also invaluable. I'm not forging into the wilderness or some stupid shit like that -- it's just useful.

But then, I forgot. You're "normal" people.

--the verb

Why won't (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119113)

the palm just die. Back in the day they were the best. But now they are slacking. They need to start over and design a new OS that's up to par.

Re:Why won't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119203)

Moderator is just jealous because he can't afford a brand new HP iPaq and he know's that my comment was true. Palm SUCKS!!!!

Bluetooth (0, Offtopic)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119115)

why is there no bluetooth? Why can't somebody just get the spec right?

Why don't you apply for a job there, I am sure it's just an oversight, in their engineering dept. They were probably not aware of bluetooth. You should be able to straighten this out quickly.

While we are at it why not add WiFi (seems to be popular)and a 100gig harddrive, probably just a faux pas that you can fix as well.

Slashdot need a sarcasm tag.

SD slot helps SOME (1)

onthefenceman (640213) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119180)

As several people have said, the SD card allows the flexibility of adding the features you want that don't come standard. However, as soon as this list grows to more than ONE, say a SD memory card and a bluetooth adapter, you have to start swapping the little buggers around and juggling files appropriately. If, for instance, you want to send a file from an external memory card via Bluetooth, you'd have to copy the file to the device memory, swap in the bluetooth card, wait for it to be recognized, and then send the file. This kind of implementation hampers the ease of use that Bluetooth can (but frequently doesn't) have.

Ultimate portable device (2, Interesting)

megagurka (108291) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119213)

My ultimate portable device would have the following features:

- GSM
- GPS
- MP3 player
- Upgradable OS and software
- Bluetooth
- J2ME
- Small and light
- Big color display
- Upgradable storage, ie MMC

The Neonode N1 [neonode.com] comes pretty close.

Position-dependent reminders (5, Interesting)

EnglishTim (9662) | more than 10 years ago | (#5119312)

Excellent! With current PDA calendar applications, you can tell it to remind you to do something at a particular time, whereas it'd be much more useful if it could remind you to do something in a particular place, or a combination of the two.

I'd like to be able to get it to remind me to do something 30 minutes after I've got home - it'd give me time to take my shoes off, sit down, and relax with a nice cup of tea before it starts to beep at me. It'd also be useful to be able to tell it to remind me to buy some milk when I walk past Tescos on my way home...

The CPU is more interesting than the PDA (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#5119385)

The GPS PDA is one of the first devices to contain the new DragonBall MXL [motorola.com] (MC9328MXL), according to this [palminfocenter.com] .

Its ARM9-based, is 150mhz and does 150mips. Doesn't sound like much, but its only US$10.30 in "low volumes". It has an MMU so it would run linux. I'd like a cheap, small, LART [tudelft.nl] style computer with some useful IO (ethernet, serial ports etc) I can run linux on and generally hack about with. This seems like an ideal CPU (shame it doesn't have integrated ethernet though).
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