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Ask Kevin Mitnick

Roblimo posted more than 11 years ago | from the he's-as-free-as-a-bird-now dept.

Security 839

Okay, Kevin Mitnick is getting back online and can start taking email tomorrow, January 21. We've spoken with Kevin by phone, and he agrees that a Slashdot interview is a fine way to help celebrate his return to the Internet, especially since he has a book to sell and a consulting business to build. (Don't forget: Kevin hasn't been able to make much money for a number of years, and has a lot of lost time to make up for.) One question per post, please. We'll email Kevin 10 of the highest-moderated questions, and post his answers shortly after he gets them to us.

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Word up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119181)

to Emmanuel Goldstien and all my grasshoppa homiez, 40s all around

To Kevin: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119187)

Who cuts your hair?

How about.... (5, Interesting)

Psx29 (538840) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119192)

What is the first thing that you have done with access to the internet?

Re:How about.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119252)

Expected response: "Holy crap! Look at all that porn!"

Re:How about.... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119273)

pr0n! what else...



What!? (0, Troll)

devphil (51341) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119285)

Dude, the guy's been in jail. Of COURSE the first thing he did was to browse some pr0n.

Now, the second thing he did with access to the net... that'd be an interesting question.

Re:How about.... (2, Informative)

Rushmore (172963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119318)

He'll be accessing the Internet for the first time in 8 years live on the screensavers on techtv tomorrow.

He will visit a blog... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119344)

He will visit the blog of a friend. See the cryptogram newsletter with a link to an interview with Kevin.

No Offense meant, but.. (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119200)

No offense meant,but

he has a book to sell and a consulting business to build. (Don't forget: Kevin hasn't been able to make much money for a number of years, and has a lot of lost time to make up for.)

Knowing all this as the result of your choice, would you choose this path again? If so, why?

What do you say? (5, Interesting)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119205)

I've heard that you've expressed regret over the actions that landed you in jail and I think I even heard you say that you think you were in the wrong. So how do you respond to the hundreds of wannabes who hacked sites "in your honor" and wore "Free Kevin" shirts at the risk of repelling girls? Do you owe them anything, even a little guidance towards the straight and narrow?

Thoughts (5, Interesting)

ScannerBoy (174488) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119207)

At any point did you consider leaving the computer world behind to search out other means of makeing a living such as teaching, history, construction...?

Or is is the old, I just gotta do this feeling?

Re:Thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119282)

These days, you can't easily "leave the computer world" in Western society. Kevin's sentence was seriously crippling.

Even if you don't own a computer, you will interact with a network-connected one as part of your job (ironically, including in teaching, historical research, and construction engineering.)

So Kevin was essentially excluded from most non-menial jobs. Not great for someone with his educational level and intelligence.

Life Without the Internet (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119209)

In Cuckoo's Egg, Cliff Stoll siad that in some cases life is better without the internet. Did you find any advantages to life without it?

What's Different? (5, Interesting)

theGreater (596196) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119210)

I wonder what the largest single difference between going in and coming out will be for KM. What kind of access to infotech did he have while inside? Was he at least able to keep abreast of current trends?

-theGreater Ponderer.

dear kevin, since you haven't been able to read /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119212)

Beowulf cluster?

Your finest moment in court (5, Interesting)

cluge (114877) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119215)

What would you say was your finest moment in court? While you seem to have been pretty much beat up by the court system I'm quite sure you must have had a shining moment or 2, either as a defendant, or perhaps an expert witness?

Yes? (5, Interesting)

egoff (636181) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119216)

How do you think that your sentence has changed you, and the way you view your society?

Do you feel... (5, Interesting)

Shads (4567) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119217)

... that current laws against technology abuse are adaquete and what kind of changes do you feel should be made if not?

Skill sets? (5, Interesting)

inteller (599544) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119219)

How have you been able to maintain current skill sets while you were in the clink and after you got out? Is there any one skill set (programming, etc) that you plan to get current on?

Can't earn money? (1)

nochops (522181) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119220)

(Don't forget: Kevin hasn't been able to make much money for a number of years...

This isn't true. AFAIK he was only prohibited from using a computer and the internet, not from holding any other job.

Re:Can't earn money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119287)

Can't earn much money flipping burgers or selling jeans at the Gap. Just about everything else requires the use of a computer in some capacity or proximity, and most of them are connected these days.

Next time you want to post, stop at "AFAIK". Anything past that is out of your league.

Re:Can't earn money? (1)

joyoflinux (522023) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119308)

This isn't true. AFAIK he was only prohibited from using a computer and the internet, not from holding any other job.

But guess what he's good at...

Re:Can't earn money? (1)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119317)

As a computer scientist, I have found through years of extensive research that my digitally-compiled code tends to run faster on a computer than my black ink fountain pen does on a piece of paper.

How do you find it? (4, Interesting)

riflemann (190895) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119221)

So now that you've been back online for what's probably a few days by the time you read this:

What do you think of todays internet?

Which OS? (5, Interesting)

DocStoner (236199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119222)

Are you using WindowsXP, MacOS 10.2, (insert Distribution here)Linux, or your old personal favorite... Sun?
Hmmm, maybe you will try them all? You are a sneaky one.

So... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119223)

...where's the best place to get some sweet WaR3Z, d00d???//

Honestly, though. Do you think your return to the internet should be a 'celebration'? You -did- break the law, why should we be happy you are back on the saddle again?

linux? (0, Troll)

tps12 (105590) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119224)

How has the growing popularity of Linux improved computer security? Conversely, how has the continuing success of Windows harmed security as a whole and encouraged hackers?

Scapegoat Sweepstakes? (5, Interesting)

Bonker (243350) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119226)

Kevin, you've said and many of us feel that you had the book thrown at you to try to deterr other wouldbe hackers and crackers from plying their craft.

How many of the charges brought against you were unfair? What do you feel would have been a fair set of charges to levy against you?

The more things change... (5, Interesting)

sterno (16320) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119228)

Looking abck at the last 8 years that has left you unable to use the Internet, do you feel that this deprevation has had any positive benefits on you? Did you have to find other hobbies that you now enjoy to while away the hours you used to spend hacking?

Valuable Information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119229)

Hey Kevin,

Do you know where I could get a HL keygen that actually works? That'd be great, man.

The slammer (5, Interesting)

UVABlows (183953) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119231)

Is the pen as bad as it is made out to be? Did you ever run in to trouble or not get along with the other inmates? Is there any advice that you can offer to any slashdotters that have to serve some time that you wish you had known?

Welcome back.

Your wrongs... (5, Interesting)

jamienk (62492) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119234)

2600 and others (even you) often say that it is true that you did some things that were wrong, but nothing anywhere near as bad as what you were accused of and nothing warranting the treatmeant you got. But from a self-critical point of view: what was it that you did that was "wrong" and what punishment would have been fair?

Good fiction? (2, Interesting)

oasisbob (460665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119238)

There have been many books writen trying to detail the escapades of early computer hackers, usually portraying them as pranking youth involved in gang like wars for power and street prestige.

Knowing what you do from all your escapades, do you enjoy reading fiction that is generally classified as "cyber punk"?

What kind of music do you like/favorite bands? (1, Redundant)

Master Tofu (642727) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119239)

What genres of music do you like? Any bands in particular? Why? And do you get laid often for being a 1337 h4x0r?

Who paid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119240)

Who paid for the Slashdot phonecall? How did you hack the network to avoid the call charge?

Free Kevin! (4, Interesting)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119241)

Question: Do you feel, not being able to use the internet and generally spending so much time incarcerated, set you back on your knowledge? Case in point, 5-6 years ago Linux was still in its infancy. Do you ever get amazed how much OSS community has accomplished in such a short period of time?

Was Your Penalty Fair and Will It Deter? (5, Insightful)

mikehihz (555979) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119243)

Seeing that you have taken some responsibility for your actions, do you think your penalty was fair and will a penalty like you received, fair or not, deter others from following in your footsteps?

Dear Kevin (0, Troll)

Slashdotess (605550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119248)

Now that you're out of jail do you plan on getting married? I'm sure there are a lot of us geek chicks out here swooning of the thought of marrying a rebel jailbird ;)

ps: how'd you like them chickens?

Future vs Past (5, Interesting)

PovRayMan (31900) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119249)

I'm curious to know, do you believe your whole case would have been held differently had the crimes been committed in the year 2000 under newer laws rather than the ones of your time?

How do you see yourself? (5, Insightful)

Astrogen (16643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119250)

There has been alot of press, and over the years you have been a hero, and a Martyr to thousands of geeks and hackers, in addition to phone phreaks and anti establishment movements.

In what light and or combination of these types do you see yourself now, is that different from how you were 20 years ago, and do you see yourself as a champion of these things in the future or do you intend to just mix back into society and get a "normal" life back (after your book of course)?

Do you... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119251)

hold on to soap much tighter than you did before you got busted?

how do you look in heels?

The speed of change (5, Interesting)

zwoelfk (586211) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119254)

Although social engineering has changed very little since before your unfortunate experience (perhaps only slightly in awareness of the value of the information), the state-of-the-art in hacking (in the more technical, not criminal sense) and even general-purpose programming has changed significantly. Do you feel as though you are at a disadvantage compared to those who have made every attempt (though truly impossible) to keep up? If so, what's your strategy for regaining your edge?

As a side note, if you're interested in game programming, let me know!! :)

Hype? (0)

duncangough (530657) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119255)

Who hyped up the fact that you weren't allowed near a computer while you were on bail (even though you admitted that you were), journalists or yourself?

Your Insider Perspective... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119258)

No, not about hacking.

What are your thoughts on the work being done by SPR [spr.org]? Is it as big of a problem as they say it is? And if so, what should be done to raise general awareness?

Trepidation (3, Interesting)

Zepalesque (468881) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119260)

Do you feel any trepidation about returning to the online world at this point? With such a lengthy absence there have been numerous technological and paradigm changes. Do you feel you've been able to keep up to date (more or less) with current trends or is there a sense of "catch up" that you feel?

Prison Life (4, Interesting)

SloppyElvis (450156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119263)

This is really a barrage of questions. What did the other prisoners think when they learned the nature of your detainment? Did you tell them you were in for armed robbery to toughen your rep? How would you rate Hollywood's penchant for prison portrayal, accurate, or way off the mark? Also, were you able to follow developments in computing through books; were you granted such a right?

Skills (1)

Anixamander (448308) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119264)

While human engineering hasn't likely changed much over the years, what challenges do you envision yourself facing while getting up to speed with the latest technology?

Who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119266)

Who is Kevin Mitnick and why should he matter to me?

Social Engineering (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119267)

I'm more concerned about social engineering than technical security problems. What methods of attack exists and what kind of measures do you think a company must take in order to prevent them?

still possible (5, Interesting)

adamruck (638131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119269)

given the state of technology today, and some of the recent new laws passed, do you think that the path that you took would still be possible today?

Thoughts on new hardware (1)

Dick Click (166230) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119271)

What you think of the new hardware available, specifically the Ono-Sendai Samurai VII?

clueful authorities? (5, Interesting)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119272)

Several months ago we had a warez guy in (Chris Tresco) for a /. interview [slashdot.org], and I'd like to ask the same question I did he:

>How clueful are they?
>In your opinion, how did the each party (prosecution, your lawyer, and most
>important - the judge) look when it came to their understanding of
>technology? Did they know every nook and cranny, or seem lost in a maze of
>confusion? Do you think an understanding of the issues in question was a
>significant factor in court proceedings?

I know you spoke of this briefly in that lost chapter of your book, in that the companies who said they were victimized significantly overstated their losses (and admitted to it), and the judge went beyond prosecution's suggestion for punishment. But I'm curious to know how competent you think the feds are in these types of legal matters.

For better or worse... (4, Insightful)

crashnbur (127738) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119276)

For better or worse, what is the most important thing that you have learned that applies to us all?

how many times (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119278)

were you ass raped in prison and did they use condoms or lube? & if not are you worried about having aids?

Hacker Icon (2, Insightful)

SuperguyA1 (90398) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119279)

Given that you have been quoted as saying your 'hacking' was wrong to do. How do you feel about being perhaps the most notable icon of the hacking community?

How (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119281)

did you keep up with all the technical changes over all the years with not being allowed to use a computer?

Philosophical changes (5, Interesting)

OneStepFromElysium (549625) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119283)

Have your recent law-related experiences (for lack of a more elegant term) brought about any major philosophical changes in your life ? By this, I mean not necessarily computer related changes, but in all aspects of your perception of the world.

Did you know you'd get caught? (5, Interesting)

Motherfucking Shit (636021) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119286)

My question, in a nutshell: Did you know that you were going to get caught?

I guess what I'm most curious about is whether you knew the risks and took them anyway, or whether you thought you were covering your tracks and that the risks were minimal. It would be interesting to know if you knew you'd eventually get busted or whether you thought you were relatively "safe" from discovery.

Your Insider Perspective... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119290)

No, not about hacking.

What are your thoughts on the work being done by SPR [spr.org]? Is it as big of a problem as they say? And, if so, what can the slashdot community do to raise awareness of it?

Kids Staying Out Of Trouble (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119291)


What should our society and/or educational system do to better channel insatiably curious folks like you and me towards activities that society views as "helpful" and "beneficial," rather than "dangerous" and "criminal"?

BTW, I shook your hand at RSA 2002--I'll send you $10 if you can figure out who I am....

Compared to when you were arrested (2, Interesting)

Slashdotess (605550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119294)

Compared to when you were arrested, do you think hacking has become
  • easier (with bigger, more complex and prone-to-error systems, etc)
  • or harder with more people realizing how important computer security is?

question (5, Interesting)

BlackArrow (61347) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119297)

Do you think you made a deffinitive impact on security policies today, or do you think that most companies still have a lot to learn about security?

The seperation? (1)

jforr (15487) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119298)

How did you learn to deal with the shakes? Did you get a toy computer and pretend, or just quit cold turkey?

Net Lag (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119302)

Spending years without the Internet sure mean you'll probably feel the Net Lag as you'll at least get in touch with what you obviously considered as relevant source of information.

Now, you're back there, you don't have a reason to switch on your telly anymore and you surf to some web sites, whether political or others.

How do you feel this ubiquitous Big Brother that is now hiding behind each of us ?

Did you see it coming ?

Won't it be hard to learn it all again and especially to resist the temptation that this new harsher policized network brings ?

were you ever glove-slapped? (1)

Master Tofu (642727) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119303)

Did anyone come up to you ever, slap you with a glove, and say, "I challenge you to a duel!"? Did you accept, and who won?

The Most Important Question of All (3, Interesting)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119305)

What are your thoughts about TCPA Initiative / Palladium? Do you see it as a destructive force in the computing industry?

Seeing.. (5, Interesting)

Maeryk (87865) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119306)

As how you have spent 8 years involved in a situation that seems by all accounts to have been an overblown kangaroo court, do you feel the government needs a specific branch specifically to deal with "cybercrime", and if so, how would you see it laid out, ideally, and why?


Was signing away your rights vs early trial (5, Interesting)

bungo (50628) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119307)


I enjoyed your bio, it's a pitty it was cut from your book.

Can you tell me why it was better to stay in prison and sign away your rights, than to go to trial early with a less prepared lawyer?

Weren't you just keeping yourself in prison longer that you should have been?

Do you really think that you would have got an even worse treatment if you went to trial earlier?

Who/what are you now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119309)

Or more specifically, what kind of a career do you plan to have now? As a "Famous Engineer" do you plan to have a Linus-type role - doing some writing/speaking in support of a career as an engineer? Do you have an additional socio-political agenda due to your life experiences thusfar? Ten years from NOW what will we look back and say that Kevin Mitnick has done?

Question about Trust (5, Interesting)

Neck_of_the_Woods (305788) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119314)

I realize that you may have put your cracking days behind you but can you really address the question of trust in the computer security industry.

How has your move into the security industry been recieved by the establishment, and how have you been dealing with the obvious question of you being trusted in the very area you manipulated.

What are the ten worst Windows vulnerabilities? (1, Interesting)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119315)

What are the ten worst Windows vulnerabilities to hacking, how would you attack such systems, and what has to be done with Windows to prevent such vulnerabilities?

Halp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119316)

Kevin, there is a guy at that I play Countar Stryke with. I have a feeelin he's a wallhacking fagot but he won't admit! Everytime I see hum BOOM BOOM BOM and I die. IT MAKES ME FULL of RAGE THINKING ABOOT IT!!!!!!!!11

Can yuo plz hax his Window XP systam for me and see if he use cheats??


Poor guy (3, Funny)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119319)

...he agrees that a Slashdot interview is a fine way to help celebrate his return to the Internet

I guess he'd know better if he'd actually read any Slashdot interviews lately.

How have things changed? (3, Interesting)

gmplague (412185) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119320)

You have a unique perspective on the world of technology, and especially the world of information security. As someone who has been removed from the world for quite some time, what has changed the most about the world (esp. with respect to technology and security) since the time you were first incarcerated? What were the biggest culture shocks to you when you were released from prison? Were you able to keep current on the world of technology while in prison? If so, how was what you read in prison different from what you actually saw?

OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119321)

Much of your early work was on VMS.

Don't you think that VMS is a vastly superior OS when compared to Unix or any of Microsoft's offerings?

Social Engineering (5, Interesting)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119324)

I know that many of your exploits were due to social engineering as well as exploiting known holes in hardware/software. You write heavily about s.e. in your book as well.

Do you think that social engineering still plays as big a part now as it did in your heyday? Moreso maybe?

So what? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119325)

Why is slashdot acting like a bunch of cheerleaders for a convicted cracker? It's not like Mitnick did
anything interesting or skillful PLUS he got caught.

I think Kevin should go away.

So how has it all changed? (4, Interesting)

aerojad (594561) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119326)

Back when you were on last, Hotmail was an independent company, no one knew what the GO network was, NetNanny was just an idea, .coms could go no where but up, p2p was underground, everything was free, and no one had pened the term 'cyber terrorism'.

How is the 'net different now from the last time and are you going to miss it?

Do you think this will affect your job potential? (3, Interesting)

aridhol (112307) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119331)

You've been prohibited from using computers for some time. This has, obviously, prevented you from gaining experience with new technologies. Couple this with the fact that your name is fairly well-known, how difficult do you think it will be for you to find employment in the computer industry? Will you be trying to do so, or will you try to stay away from technology? And, if you feel it will be difficult for technology reasons, how long do you think it will take you to catch up?

Yes, I know it's only supposed to be one question per post, but I think these are pretty well related.

What is it like... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119335)

Just what is it like in Federal Pound-Me-in-the-Ass Prison?

Re-Educating yourself for today's tech world. (4, Interesting)

Kaypro (35263) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119337)

What has been the biggest stumbling block or surprise, if any, in attempting to re-educate yourself into today's tech world.

Published Stories vs. Reality (5, Interesting)

Dirk Pitt (90561) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119339)

I've read a number of editorial writers that have stated that the outright menacing portrayal of you in writings such as Hafner's Cyberpunk is twisted fiction at best. To the thousands of people who've derived opinions of you based on these works, what would you say in response?

What's it like? (4, Interesting)

Pii (1955) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119340)

Slashdot has no shortage of technological "Rock Stars" (Linus, ESR, RMS, Bruce Perins, etc), but most of them didn't attain their fame as a result of being prosecuted to the fullest extent allowable by law...

You are a notable exception. What's it like being a rock star, and how great is it that you'll now be able to fully capitalize on your fame in the financial sense? Would you be in as promising a position today had you not run afoul of the law?

Guilt (1)

the_burton (147439) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119343)

Do you feel that you were wrongly imprisoned, that your crimes were not hurtful or detrimental to society? If not, do you feel guilty at all about the crimes you have been convicted and served time for? Would you do it all again?

Why are we helping him build his business? (2, Insightful)

anomaly (15035) | more than 11 years ago | (#5119346)

Kevin is famous for breaking into systems. In point of fact, he broke the law breaking into systems.

When I was 13 I thought that cracking into systems was "kool." Now that I am an adult, I see that once a system has been compromised - even if it's just so that a smart kid can look around - it costs a fortune to be sure that a) the holes are closed, and b) the kid didn't do any damage.

He broke the law. Should we help him "make up for lost time" by helping him profit on his life experiences? I don't think so.

Let me give an example. Let's say that I am pro legalization of prostitution. (I'm not)

Before the legislators became "enlightened" on this issue (while it is still illegal) someone is convicted of being a pimp - should I make that person a poster-boy? Should I work to build a "how to be a pimp" consulting business, or promote a "pimping for dummies" book?

Kevin broke the law, and did his time. Can't he just get a straight job like the rest of us and move on? Why must he be a hero? Why must /. get behind him?

I don't get it. Let it go. Kevin, please get a regular job and live like an ordinary citizen.


FatBurger? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5119348)


According to the book, "Cyberpunk," you used to eat at FatBurger in LA almost religiously. Being Canadian, when I made a trip to LA I made it a mission to take a pilgrimage to LA and eat at as many FatBurgers as possible. (Mmmm, huge burgers...). What I'd like to know is, do you still eat at FatBurger? Which one was specifically did you go to the most?
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