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Slashback: Bankruptcy, SUVdiving, Singalongs

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the chilly-down-here dept.

Slashback 508

Slashback updates tonight on sky-diving cars, Microsoft's new code Glasnost (guess who's signed up to see the code?), the fate of the PCI-SIG list, the SCO and Linux licensing brouhaha, music royalties in Finland, and more. Read on for the details.

Not like that un-American GPL. agentZ writes "The first Microsoft government customer to buy access to the Windows source code is Russia according to this CNet story. Interesting to note FAPSI, one of their intelligence agencies, authorized the purchase. Perhaps they're looking for vulnerabilities in the U.S. Government's dependence on Microsoft?"

The difference between Chapter 11 and The End. prostoalex writes "In regards to a recent heated discussion on whether tech companies can make it out of Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, XO Communications, the telecom company of the dot-com era, seems to be doing quite well after filing Chapter 11. The article on Internet.com also mentions another company, Covad Communications, picking up customers and more business after filing for Chapter 11."

There's hope in PCI Land. Regarding the Slashdot post of a few days ago about the PCI-SIG ("The End of the Free PCI Device List"), PCI-SIG Chairman Tony Pierce writes

"YourVote.com Supporters:

Thank you for making us aware of your concerns regarding Jim Boemler's online Vendor and Device Lists for the PCI technology.

There has been a misunderstanding between PCI-SIG and Jim - PCI-SIG officers are currently working with Jim to resolve the issues as quickly as possible. We respect Jim Boemler's work and are committed to support the PCI specification efforts industry-wide. We are confident that we will come to an amicable resolution.

We are pleased to see the strong industry support for PCI technologies and value your response to the issues. We understand this site has been a very valuable tool and are working together to find a solution to make sure that the tool is available to the public in some way.

Thank you for your support over the years. We will be sure to keep you informed as we come to resolution in this situation."

This lowers Finland on my list of vacation spots. E-Tray writes "It seems that Finnish equivalents of American RIAA, Teosto, which represents songwriters and publishers, and Gramex, which represents music producers and artists, want to force Finnish day nurseries to pay royalties every time nursery staff sings along with kids. Previously Teosto enforced a law that taxi drivers have to pay royalties if they play music while a customer is in the backseat."

Would still rather see a statement signed in blood. Error27 writes "Earlier this week, Slashdot linked to a Maureen O'Gara article that claimed SCO was probably going to try charge Linux users $96 per CPU. More than one person thought SCO's denial was, "Awfully ambiguous". Hopefully this article clears up any doubts. Essentially, SCO will continue to charge IBM but not RedHat or SCO's UnitedLinux partners."

Perhaps I can volunteer my dad's Suburbans? Finally, joe jennings writes

"A few months ago you ran a story about the cars my team and I skydived with and crashed into the desert. This is a bit of an update.

Next month, we're going to blow up my Nissan Pathfinder. Its twisted remains will be welded to a steel beam and planted on a plot of land in the mojave desert. We're starting "suv ranch," a tribute to gas guzzlers, a dying trend (we hope).

I intend to thoroughly document the project and will post images and quicktime videos on gaspig.com."

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I'd just like to say (-1, Offtopic)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122532)

I FAIL IT!

YOU DID IT! (-1)

YOU DID IT! (630541) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122802)

Congratulations! You got first post!

YOU DID IT!

Re:YOU DID IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122881)

This is such an honor. I'd like to thank all the little people:

The you did it! guy
The you failed it! guy
Taco
Trolling Stones

Thank you so much!

Frost pist! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122534)

fp!

I love you Jessica! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122544)

Doesn't anybody ever know that the world's a subway...

Re:I love you Jessica! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122811)

No one remembers that song. Go away - freak!

Boring. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122572)

Next Slashback please. CmdrTaco please post more dups.

References?? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122575)

The first Microsoft government customer to buy access to the Windows source code is Russia according to this CNet story. Interesting to note FAPSI, one of their intelligence agencies, authorized the purchase. Perhaps they're looking for vulnerabilities in the U.S. Government's dependence on Microsoft?

That's funny, I wasn't aware we were at war with the former USSR. Or perhaps just your tinfoil hat is on a little too tight?

Re:References?? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122692)

Ok, I guess this was all mean to be lighthearted, but "allies" spy on each other all the time -- England, in fact, has been incredibly succesful and active in spying on the US, even as the US was entering WWII.

It'd be naive to assume that allies aren't busy spying on each other.

It's the sort of thing we find out way after the fact, of course, but sure, why not (it seems like a good idea to me!)

The gaspig.com link is incorrect. (4, Informative)

Quadrature (524139) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122576)

For those to lazy to type in 10 characters: Clicky [gaspig.com]

Re:The gaspig.com link is incorrect. (2, Funny)

Quadrature (524139) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122598)

Well, now it's right. Where's that delete button?

Wnblows source code... To RUSSIA??? (3, Interesting)

WildThing (143539) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122578)

Ummm.... last time I checked you still couldn't export crypto outside the U.S. - won't this kinda kill the purchase ??? Sorry I couldn't add more but am already running late

Re:Wnblows source code... To RUSSIA??? (1)

Rabidbunnylover (600898) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122624)

If memory serves, you can, but you have to be registered as an arms dealer and the government has to okay it. Perhaps that's what Microsoft is doing.

Re:Wnblows source code... To RUSSIA??? (1)

MyPantsAreOnFire! (642687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122975)

You are right, you can't export it unless you have arms rights, but most of the windows source that is there is pretty anemic in the way of crypto anyway. You can find SSL algorithms on the web, but microsoft's use of PKI is so small and so poorly done that you could export it to Iraq without worrying that they'll find some valuable crypto code.

Day care? (4, Funny)

NickDngr (561211) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122580)

Teosto, which represents songwriters and publishers, and Gramex, which represents music producers and artists, want to force Finnish day nurseries to pay royalties every time nursery staff sings along with kids.

Yeah... that's going to be enforceable. What are they going to do, interview the kids as they come out of day care? We thought we had it bad with the RIAA. Sheesh!

Fair Use? (3, Informative)

c0dedude (587568) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122586)

In finland, do they have Fair Use? Because Nursery Rymes and such would be the stereotypical fair use type deal, I mean, it should be argued that that's for educational purposes, which is generally covered under fair use. It's specifically menchioned as an exception here [utsystem.edu] .

Re:Fair Use? (1)

LordNightwalker (256873) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122779)

Aren't Nursery Rhymes public domain anyway? Maybe I'm off, but I always believed it were those songs like "Old McDonald had a farm" etc... Fail to see how that can be copyrighted. Maybe I'm totaly off or just missing somehting.

Re:Fair Use? (1)

walt-sjc (145127) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122882)

You are missing something. Singing the songs in a school would be a public place.
Very much like the Happy Birthday [snopes.com] song can't be sung in a restaurant without paying ASCAP fees.

Re:Fair Use? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122792)

Just to be clear, In America you don't have Fair Use that allows people to sing other's copyrighted songs. There's an exemption for educational uses, but then documentaries aren't education and neither are non-state schools.

Singing copyrighted material is illegal (ie, most buskers are breaking the law). They get away with it because it's not enforced.

Even the 'Happy Birthday' song is copyrighted, so if you sing it without paying you're breaking the law.

Re:Fair Use? (1)

DaveOnNet (636006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122929)

What about whistling? Can the staff whistle while the kids sing? That could be fun.

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122587)

Windows investigates FAPSI

USSR (3, Funny)

Junky191 (549088) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122590)

"The Soviet Union? I though you guys broke up?"

"Yeees, thats what ve wanted ve wanted you to think! Ha ha, haa hahaha!"

Stealing Candy From a Baby (1)

cranos (592602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122600)

This really just goes too far, I hope that every parent who has kids in Finland in day care sends them to the head office of this organisation. Thousands of screaming stinking kids should change their minds pretty quickly.

Pete Townshend, Arrested At 57 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122602)

Legendary Who rocker Pete Townshend was arrested by London police today on charges of child pornography. Let us hope that enough of his soon-to-be fellow inmates liked "Tommy" enough to prevent his anus being broken like that guitar he played at Monterey. Truly a British icon.

That's awfully Microsoft of them. (2, Interesting)

TheAwfulTruth (325623) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122607)

"Essentially, SCO will continue to charge IBM but not RedHat or SCO's UnitedLinux partners."

Isn't that called being discriminatory? Charging different people different amounts for the same thing? (Actually The entire Linux pricing issue skirts legality, but that's a different topic)

Besides, their "word" on that convinces who? If/when Linux actually does take off on the desktop, and Red Hat starts raking in the billions, SCO will just stick to their word then? "United Linux" vs Red Hat? You don't think this won't heat up in the future?

When monkeys fly out of my...

Re:That's awfully Microsoft of them. (1)

MrResistor (120588) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122715)

Discriminatory licensing is perfectly legal for patents.

Also, IBM sells Unix (AIX). Linux is merely like Unix.

Re:That's awfully Microsoft of them. (3, Interesting)

mentin (202456) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122758)

Isn't that called being discriminatory?

Discrimination is legal, as long as

  • It does not violate specific anti-discrimination laws (discrimination by sex, race, some others)
  • You are not a "court-certified" monopoly

Re:That's awfully Microsoft of them. (5, Informative)

erat (2665) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122952)

First off, SCO is asking for a fee for the use of a few old UNIX ABI libraries. Last time I checked, no Linux vendor (at a Red Hat level) shipped them. IBM does ship them, so IBM pays. If Red Hat decides to ship them, I'm sure Red Hat will pay. If SCO decides to waive the fee for its UnitedLinux partners, that's perfectly fine. Differing charges enable you to buy a Western Digital hard drive from one vendor for $50 less than another vendor. Don't argue; you benefit from this practice whether you want to believe it or not. If SCO wants to add an incentive to cozying up with UnitedLinux, more power to 'em.

(We'll forget about the fact that UnitedLinux based distros are extremely expensive already and don't need anything else to make them MORE expensive. Adding a SCO ABI library license fee to what you already have to pay for UnitedLinux distros does little more than make the system more expensive to buy.)

As for your second to the last comment, I have no earthly idea where you get that "Red Hat's Success" == "SCO Rapes Red Hat for License Fees". If Red Hat doesn't ship SCO's ABI libraries, exactly what do you think they're going to use to suck money out of Red Hat? The UNIX trademark? If you read the article (or knew any UNIX history) you'd know that Ray Noorda gave the UNIX trademark to the Open Group back when Novell owned UNIX. SCO doesn't own the trademark: they license it, as does everyone else who wants the word "UNIX" associated with their OS.

(Good grief, why do I bother responding to these posts?...)

Y "Awful" kant read. (2, Insightful)

Xtifr (1323) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122960)

Uh, keep in mind, this is /., and the quote you're whining about comes from one of the /. editors, which means it has just about zero credibility.

If you'd actually read the article, you'd see that this is all in reference to some old compatibility libraries that aren't included with your typical Linux distro. It goes on to say, "SCO is exploring the options of getting intellectual property payments from companies that use SCO licensed libraries [...] without paying for them," and goes on to say, "[c]ompanies like IBM have been, and are continuing to pay, SCO for the use of these and other licenses." (Emhasis mine.)

As a lot of us expected, this whole thing really does seem to be a tempest in a teapot.

dumping suvs out of planes to protest gas hogs? (5, Interesting)

goofballs (585077) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122612)

umm, isn't the recreational use of airplanes- which use a lot of gas and pollute a lot more than the worse suv's- including to dump suv's out of them, a lot worse than the suv's themselves?

Re:dumping suvs out of planes to protest gas hogs? (0, Troll)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122890)

Witness friends; the last vestiges of a defeated argument, calls of Hyopcrite!

Never again do you have to forward logical refutation, just nit-pick yourself a minor breach of someones argument by their action (say using Gas to protest Gas-guzzling, or someone eating food but protesting starvation ("If you didnt eat, food would be cheaper for those without!" they'll say) and Voila! instant, undefeatable, Grade-8 level argument.

Up Next on our Slashdot-Argument Series; The Non-Sequitur, or How I learned my cats breath smells like cat food.

they are hypocrites (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122964)

--typical hypocrisy. You are correct. Idiots who call themselvesd 'ecologists" can do whatever they want to, because they are only interested in what YOU do. They espouse and mumble the words of "socialism" but their actions scream FASCISM. Can't burn fossil fuel so lets go skydiving! Liars are liars, that's it. That's like al bore, the inventor of the internet, flying with his retinue to the kyoto treaty digs, burning more fuel in one trip than the avertage US "energy hog" does in a lifetime. Naw, he coulda proved his point with a little video conferencing and telecommuting, nope, had to fly jumbo jets and be accompanied by hundeds of goon camp followers.

And before any "eco"-tistical- trolls reply, I run on solar PV panels, DO YOU? Or does your "gaming" take all your spare loot and time? And note 2 to indignant trolls, I am neither a dem or repub or green or any other bogus "political party" so don't slap your divisive labels and make assumptions.

Translating for SubtleNuance (1)

DaveOnNet (636006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122986)


...I think...
What SubtleNuance is saying is that perhaps the use of gas in this situation is justified by the mindshare gain for the idea that SUVs waste a lot of gas. Right?

Maybe it's a glider?

GasPig.com (1)

OctaneZ (73357) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122616)

The link should point to http://www.gaspig.com [gaspig.com]

Or Check the Google Cache [216.239.57.100]

Preemptive IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Troll)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122617)

The first Microsoft government customer to buy access to the Windows source code is Russia according to this CNet story.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA [insert obligatory comment here]

incorrect link (1)

danthedanish (632820) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122622)

Link to crash-diving SUV enthusiasts should point to gaspig.com [gaspig.com] , not gaspic.com

What a load of crap... (5, Insightful)

LordNightwalker (256873) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122623)

We understand this site has been a very valuable tool and are working together to find a solution to make sure that the tool is available to the public in some way.

And one can't but wonder why it hasn't occured to them that the best way to do it is not to send a cease & decist letter in the first place... What a load of hogwash. The tool was already available to the public in some way untill they started interfering, and now they're looking for a way to make sure that... *sigh*

Re:What a load of crap... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122709)


Corporations (including nonprofits like PCI-SIG)have bought into the Japanese concept of "saving face".

FWIW, I stopped by the PCI-SIG offices on Friday, and chewed their asses in person for behaving like total dicks.

Sounds like they want to own the list too! (1)

asscroft (610290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122781)

"We understand this site has been a very valuable tool and are working together to find a solution to make sure that the tool is available to the public in some way." As in we'll maintain it, and we'll charge you to look at it. Perhaps I'm just used to interpreting these things from other evil things and having been burned in the past (CDDB?) we don't trust anyone again. Still, it sounds an awful lot like they are going to try to steal all the data as their own.

Re:What a load of crap... (2, Interesting)

Kerinsky (321187) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122804)

They do it because the US legal system makes them. Look up "due dilligence" in regards to copyright. If you don't strictly enforce your copyrights and trademarks you can lose them. If a company knows that you're violating their IP rights and turns a blind eye then they may not be able to legally stop anyone else from using that IP in the future. This is to prevent a company from allowing a term to come into widespread use only to later start suing people who they've been implicitly allowing to use the term for damages.

Trademark != Copyright (1)

n.wegner (613340) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122860)

Trademarks must be defended by the holder or they get taken away, copyrights are always in effect until they run out or the work they protect is put in the public domain.

Re:What a load of crap... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122866)

They asked him to cease and desist using their trademark. He responded by throwing a hissy fit and taking down the whole list, something they never asked him to do. They suggested that one way to keep the logos up would be to have the list be sponsored by his employer, but he could have avoided the whole mess by removing the logos, acknowledging the tradmark of the name when referring to the standard, making it clear that the site was unofficial, and telling the SIG he'd done so.

This is stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122632)

With prices of around 75p/l for fuel, you can't afford to drive viechles like that over here in Britain, let alone throw them out of a plane.

Parachuting cars is saving the enviroment? (4, Interesting)

puto (533470) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122648)

Well as much as I liked seeing skydiving vehicles in the odd James Bonf Flick and all I don't see this as an good way to protest SUV's.

1. You need to gas the planes to get the cars up into the wild blue yonder. MORE POLLUTION.

2. Crashing theme into the desert. I am sure that this does wonders for the native wildlife and natural look of the desert. Just cause it is empty space doesn't mean we have to throw trashed cars into it. Even if you remove all the hydrocarbons and glass, it's still junk.

3. Then blowing up a Nissan Pathfinder. Hmmm, releasing smoke and debris and further polluting the enviroment. Could have recycled the metal into something else.

I am all about making a statement about SUV's and pollution. But you doing things like driving a small car, riding a bike, using the bus. But spending money, resources, and then further polluting the air with a Jack Ass like stunt. Just don't make much sense to me.

Put0

Re:Parachuting cars is saving the enviroment? (1, Insightful)

c0dedude (587568) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122743)

Normally, I would agree. But it's not just about the explosion. It's about getting front page on slashdot, and perhaps CNN. It's about supporting an anti-SUV movement. Then, as a footnote, at the end of a news broadcast, the program lists some statistic about the environmental impact of SUV's. Which might encourage someone not to buy/to get rid of an SUV.

It's not about destroying one SUV. It's about encouraging the prevention of pollution from larger numbers of SUV's through the media and public attention and education. It's the same reason why peaceful demonstrations turn to riots. To get on TV. Right or wrong, this is the fact of the matter.

Re:Parachuting cars is saving the enviroment? (4, Informative)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122965)

Just in case anyone DIDNT know, one of the major reasons Americans *BUY* SUVs in the first place is because they can then buy a Luxury Vehicle and get a tax break .

Read more about the loop-hole that NEEDS to get plugged here [commondreams.org]

The good news? This loophole costs the American Tresury close 1 Billion per year (source [detroitproject.com] )

Re:Parachuting cars is saving the enviroment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122790)

Replys to each of your points...

1. A jet uses different kinds of fuel than a car. Also, jets are more fun. And the only people that really care about pollution have opinions that dont matter. Gas guzzling is bad because gas is expensive, and money is good.

2. Crashing a car into the desert. Who cares. Its fun, it's unusual, it's worth paying to see. Live with it.

3. By "blowing up" i think they refer to launching out of a plane without a chute, but just look at my reply to number 2.

I hate SUV's. Enough that I'd like to blow them up. I also hate high gas prices. Well, I hate you too, but that is irrelevant to my argument, so pretend I didn't mention it. As for polluting the air, that's the good thing about being an insensative bastard like myself. I don't care. I just wanna see the damned car explode on impact.

Re:Parachuting cars is saving the enviroment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122839)

I am all about making a statement about SUV's and pollution. But you doing things like driving a small car, riding a bike, using the bus. But spending money, resources, and then further polluting the air with a Jack Ass like stunt. Just don't make much sense to me.

You're right. Even if he manages to make national news, and convince thousands of people worldwide that gasoline overconsumption creates a harmful dependence on foreign national resources - hell, even if as a result of this, public outcry causes our Congress to remove the light-truck exception with regard to SUV's and restore our average fuel-econonmy to 1970's levels, thereby saving billions of gallons of gasoline a year, the damage done by this plane flight to the environment is too great a cost to bear. Some people say it "takes money to make money", but that's not true. I am entirely confident that all great business ventures began with an initial investment of zero dollars.

And here I thought I was a crackpot looney. Finally, someone who agrees with me.

Re:Parachuting cars is saving the enviroment? (1)

DennisZeMenace (131127) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122928)

That's a completely ridiculous statement. The pollution caused here is negligible compared to the symbolic value and publicity stunt. Besides, welding the remains will create a Burning Man-like art form in the middle of the desert, which i think is the coolest thing.

You have a serious problem with sorting priorities.

DZM

Re:Parachuting cars is saving the enviroment? (1)

Kadagan AU (638260) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122992)

I think blowing stuff up and dropping it from incredible distances is loads of fun. I don't agree or care abotu what message they're trying to give. But wouldn't they think that BUYING all these SUVs to destroy would HELP companies that make SUVs? I sure think so.

Re:Parachuting cars is saving the enviroment? (2, Interesting)

jelle (14827) | more than 11 years ago | (#5123039)

"we're going to blow up my Nissan Pathfinder." "a tribute to gas guzzlers, a dying trend (we hope)"

Emphasis mine. So he's basically protesting his own SUV, maybe even after putting 100k miles on it in just three years. Talk about hypocrisy.

The people protesting gas guzzlers should also protest people that don't move closer to work to reduce their long daily commutes. The "M" in MPG stands for miles you know...

Plus why all the focus on SUVs as a whole? Let's look at the facts: Sure, there are some SUVs out there that are plain rediculous, but there are a lot of Sport sedans [edmunds.com] , minivans [edmunds.com] and pickup trucks too [edmunds.com] that are bigger gas guzzlers than many compact [edmunds.com] SUVs [edmunds.com] .

That is just shortsightedness.

How does the MS code license work? (5, Interesting)

Ryu2 (89645) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122657)

Bloomberg says it's just a chance to LOOK at the code (by visiting Redmond perhaps or having them visit you?) But News.com reports that MS will let governments BUILD their own custom versions (doesn't say whether by MS or by themselves). Which is it? There's a big difference there.

And also is it access to ALL the source code, or just the security-related bits?

Re:How does the MS code license work? (1)

geekee (591277) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122884)

"And also is it access to ALL the source code, or just the security-related bits?"

According to CNET, Russia demanded to see all the source code, and MS agreed.

Re:How does the MS code license work? (0)

iWishMeHadModPoints (635338) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122949)

He-he, I guess I know who will be visiting Mitino street market in Moscow, world's largest software superstore, next month. Finally, an operating system with open source that I can look at, poke around, improve at my free time and use in academia. Thank you, Microsoft [microsoft.com] .

Re:How does the MS code license work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5123036)

You get the code, but Balmer has to watch over your sholder while you work on it.

XO Chapter 11 (1)

ToastedBagel (638204) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122663)

Regarding XO Chapter 11, if XO does well, is Ted Fortsmann getting his shares back? He owned large number of shares and of course, he lost them all because of the bankruptcy, but I'm wondering if he's still entitled to his shares and so forth. Does anyone know? Anyone familiar with bonds, stocks, etc.?

Re:XO Chapter 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122755)

Regarding XO Chapter 11, if XO does well, is Ted Fortsmann getting his shares back? He owned large number of shares and of course, he lost them all because of the bankruptcy, but I'm wondering if he's still entitled to his shares and so forth. Does anyone know? Anyone familiar with bonds, stocks, etc.?

Why, are you thinking of asking him out or something?

in.....soviet.......russia (0, Redundant)

banka (464527) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122664)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA...
microsoft's code owns you!

Windows is now less secure (4, Interesting)

dybdahl (80720) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122670)

Within a couple of years, non-democratic governments will have a copy of the source code of Windows, and some governments, that have been cooperating with local companies to do industrial espionage, will also have it.

The old argument that Linux is less secure because evil hackers can see the source code now also applies to Windows. Except that the good guys can't see the Windows source code. I wonder what they're hiding.

Lars Dybdahl.

Re:Windows is now less secure (2, Interesting)

zurab (188064) | more than 11 years ago | (#5123003)

Within a couple of years, non-democratic governments will have a copy of the source code of Windows, and some governments, that have been cooperating with local companies to do industrial espionage, will also have it.

Expand a little bit further. I am not sure what MS' source code license says in this case but, how can Microsoft enforce the agreement?

1. Russia is, obviously, a huge country with huge political power. Why can't they, one day, break their license agreement and, say, release their own version of Windows and sell it in Russia? Or sell or release source code to others? What remedy does MS have, other than UN and some meaningless treaties?

2. What happens if or when political power shifts within Russia? In a lot of these cases, new government may bail out, or simply ignore some of their previous agreements. And I don't think they will promptly erase all the source code that was provided to them.

3. How long until at least some of the code is leaked, and what can MS do in that case?

Save this article for the next time MS brings in National Security when courts ask them to show some of their source code.

Sing-a-longs (5, Funny)

chundo (587998) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122675)

It seems that Finnish equivalents of American RIAA, Teosto, which represents songwriters and publishers, and Gramex, which represents music producers and artists, want to force Finnish day nurseries to pay royalties every time nursery staff sings along with kids.
...but since it has proved too hard to enforce, they are trying plan B - sending children to these day nurseries who just repeatedly sing the choruses for five minutes.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122677)

source code looks at YOU!

jesus christ.... (5, Funny)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122679)

north korea has nukes and russia has the windows source code.

i don't know which is worse. seriously.

Source code is worse (1)

agentZ (210674) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122711)

Nuclear weapons require a separate, expensive, delivery mechanism. Software attacks can be accomplished from the comfort of the living room couch (or government office) by anybody with a cheap PC and some skillz.

Come again? (1)

Planesdragon (210349) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122947)

Er...

A nuclear weapon can level a city. No people, no bodies, just a few square miles of wasteland--and outside that, death and destruction that would be "biological warfare" if it was contagious and not just fallout.

Windows source code, OTOH, is almost nothing more than a chance to attack an insecure system--secure systems don't bare windows to the world, generally--and they're attacked anyway by reverse-engingeering crackers.

*sigh*

SUVs (2, Interesting)

Airneil (43790) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122689)

You know, there are some valid reasons for owning a small SUV, like the Pathfinder, or a Ford Explorer.

I carry a family, go camping, and occasionally pull a trailer with my Explorer. I guarantee you that I can't do some of these things in a Geo Metro.

What good is 45 mpg if you have to make four round trips to get your stuff there, that you can do in one with an Explorer?

Re:SUVs (1)

Knobby (71829) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122748)

Mini-vans generally have better gas mileage, larger cargo areas, a better ride, and similar towing capacities to SUVs.

When was the last time you NEEDED four-wheel drive?

Re:SUVs (1)

nuggz (69912) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122823)

Minivans do not have the towing capacity of a comparable SUV.
Minivans tend to handle better, have more cargo volume, get better gas mileage, and are more safe.

AWD is available for many minivans, there are also SUVs with only 2WD.

Re:SUVs (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122983)

A 2WD SUV. Now THAT's waste.

4 wheel drive (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122849)

This morning when it snowed 3 inches and you can't go anywhere around here without hitting a nice steep hill. But then again a few cars are all wheel drive like the Eagle Talon or Subaru something or other.

Re:SUVs (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122878)

Mini-vans generally have better gas mileage, larger cargo areas, a better ride, and similar towing capacities to SUVs.

When was the last time you NEEDED four-wheel drive?

All-wheel drive comes in handy during Minnesota winters when the roads get slippery (tho not *this* year). But one can get that in a lightweight Subaru or Audi without the lousy gas mileage and top-heaviness of a conventional SUV.

Re:SUVs (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122760)

That can't have been you I saw doing a 20 mile commute alone in your SUV then.

Me, I use an electric vehicle powered by my own smugness.

Re:SUVs (3, Insightful)

cliveholloway (132299) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122775)

If you need 4 trips in a regular car to transport all your crap, you're hardly "camping" now, are you?

The SUV is simply the icon of the overconsumerist society that we've become.

Consume, consume, consume and fuck the rest of the world. That seems to be the American way these days.

Damn sheeple...

.02

cLive ;-)

Asshole. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122902)

Post your total shopping list for the past year to your journal, and then let US bash it, if you want to make sanctimonious comments about another poster's vehicle choice.

MOD Parent Up. His comment isn't flamebait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122858)

It isn't flamebait just because you don't like SUVs. Airneil made a valid comment.

Re:SUVs (1)

scharkalvin (72228) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122861)

I make it a point to pass any SUV in front of me, blocking my view of the road ahead. Bring back the gas guzzler tax! The Explorer isn't really that bad, anyone driving an empty Expedition should be charged double tolls on the turnpike, and anyone caught solo in an unloaded Excursion should be arrested as a road hog. The only Humvees on the road should be painted olive drag. If you NEED the cargo hauling space fine, but to commute to work leave the SUV in the garage and take the civic! In case you didn't hear, oil production will peak in about
3-5 years and decline after that. The days of excess are over.

Re:SUVs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5123040)

oil production will peak in about 3-5 years and decline after that

Gee, where have I heard that before? Oh, that's right, 1973.

I know it's hard to believe, but at some point, people will stop swallowing that enviro-claptrap if none of it ever comes true.

Re:SUVs (1)

protohiro1 (590732) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122924)

A friend and I were discussing the sad state of the world when so many men (who usually like fast cars and enjoy driving) are stuck behind the wheel of such unpleasant beasts. Just because you aren't in an suv doesn't mean you have to drive a geo metro.

You could drive my car [elepent.com] , for example. To be honest doesn't get 45mpg. But its gets 27, which I think is mediocre to bad, globally speaking, but its way better than an SUV. And really good for a car with this kind of power. Way more fun to drive, has all the advantages (powerful engine, 4wd, lots of cargo room). It also costs a little less than an suv. And you can smoke almost anyone on the road. And win autocross races.

Next time (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122708)

Try throwing cowboy neal out a plane, hes much heavier than a ford explorer.

Back-Slashback (2, Interesting)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122741)

XO doing well - Well of course they are doing well - they have been going nuts signing up major spamhausen, and protecting the ones they already have. Easy to make more money when you are able to charge 3X the going rate to insure your spammer customers don't have to suffer the pain of disconnection.

PCI spec - Translation - "BOY OH BOY did we step in it! Jeez who'd'a thunk that this would piss so many people off! OK, we are making nice now, stop flaming our servers!"

Finnish Nannys Question - if they sing a song for which copyright has expired, do they have to pay? "All right kids, from the top: There's a nice wee lass, her name's Mary Mack..."

SCO charges IBM, not RH or others... OK, so screwing some people is OK, so long as it isn't me?!?! It would be funny if IBM bought SCO and then freed the IP...

Crashing cars into the desert So, we are going to protest wastefulness by wasting vehicles.... ???

Dropping SUVs to protest them (4, Insightful)

Powercntrl (458442) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122759)

I'd take these people more seriously if they did something productive like starting a petition for building of dedicated low-speed traffic lanes for mopeds, Segways and scooters. The people that would be willing to travel on energy efficient single-passenger vehicles would more than make up for the pollution of those that persist on driving SUVs.

When you're on a bicycle or a moped and someone is about to pass you at 55MPH, whether he's in a Honda Civic or a Ford Excursion, if either one of them hits you, it's going to be just as lethal.

Re:Dropping SUVs to protest them (2, Insightful)

aoteoroa (596031) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122982)

Do you think another dedicated traffic lane will solve the problem? I don't. People need to change their attitudes about driving. Many people will drive their cars to work even when a public transportation alternative is available that is both less expensive, and quicker.

mail in rebates are evil (2, Informative)

jaxle (193331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122768)

i remember gettin dsl from covad and what a great deal it was... or so it would seem

i never got back the $200 dollar rebate for installation :(

be careful with those things, $200 dollars may not be a lot to some but it really screwed me over

Re:mail in rebates are evil (1)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122830)

Did you follow up with them? I got my rebate from Covad.

Re:mail in rebates are evil (1)

jaxle (193331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122877)

called them, never got to talk to a real person

guess who's signed up to see the code? (1)

LaissezFaire (582924) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122771)

I thought it was cypherpunk/cypherpunk.

$17,000 to wreck your car??? (1)

sven_kirk (562794) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122799)

Why spend all that money to drop an SUV out of a plane? The money spent on that could buy a hybrid vehicle...well mostly anyway. Also, why would somebody spend that much to throw it away? Where is the conservationism in in that? A junkyard is more enviromentally safe that theese people.

Re:$17,000 to wreck your car??? (1)

Kadagan AU (638260) | more than 11 years ago | (#5123043)

You see, liberals have proven time and time again, Quinn's First Rule [warroom.com] : "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of it's stated intent".

Uhh... (1)

houseofmore (313324) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122863)

"Perhaps they're looking for vulnerabilities in the U.S. Government's dependence on Microsoft?"

That's a bit redundant no?

Dare I say it? (1)

jasonditz (597385) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122867)

You mean in post-Soviet Russia Windows is open source?

In Russia (-1, Redundant)

ocie (6659) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122880)

Windows source code buys access to you!

Correction! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5122939)

Dude, you so got this wrong.

In Russia, you accesses Windows Source
In USA, Windows accesses your source.

2 words about gaspig.com (1)

Kadagan AU (638260) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122950)

Damn Liberals.

And the candidates are... (1)

silvaran (214334) | more than 11 years ago | (#5122988)

Step 1. Sign a deal with another country so they get more information about your technology than those in your own country.

Step 2. Wait for your own country to panic and sign a similar deal, thus locking them in even harder to the proprietary technology.

Step 3. Watch as government denies adoption of OSS. Besides, they now have a tight deal with a company they already depend on.

You know the rest...

Gas Guzzlers... (3, Insightful)

jgdobak (119142) | more than 11 years ago | (#5123001)

Why is it that when the gas guzzler discussion comes up, SUVs always take the hit, as opposed to Mercedes V8s, high-end BMWs, sports cars, et al?

Finally we'll see the Windows source code... (4, Funny)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 11 years ago | (#5123017)

Thank heaven for Russia!

In a short while, the source code for Windows will be all over the net! I can't wait.

You think I'm kidding, right? I'm not. Let's say 2-3 months and all the source will be spread all over the net.

Microsoft can just as well publish the source under GPL now!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (1)

raehl (609729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5123020)

...Government looks for vulnerabilities in Microsoft.

day nurseries (2, Insightful)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#5123023)

Well when I was that age we got,
'Oh Christmas tree'
'Ride a cock horse'
'here we go round the mulbry bush'

Who are they paying royalties too, anon?

I though they already had it... (1)

person-0.9a (161545) | more than 11 years ago | (#5123033)

> The first Microsoft government customer to buy
> access to the Windows source code is Russia...

Wait a minute. I thought way back when Microsoft's internal network was thoroughly compromised [com.com] , they traced some part of the hack back to a Russian address.

Why on earth would they bother with Microsoft?

Maybe someone took the 1-800-RU Legit too literally?
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