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Slackware Forums Alive Again!

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the bad-apples-turned-to-sauce-free dept.

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HappySlacker writes "Looks like the forums from slackware.com that Patrick Volkerding (Slackware's daddy) had to take down because of massive trolling are fully active again after 2 years of hibernation as read-only at userlocal.com." Update: 01/21 19:23 GMT by T : Jeremy from LinuxQuestions.org points out the forums on that site, which is recommended on Slackware's links page.

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Trolling? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125112)

Maybe they should sue those trolls a la the pest-control website!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA . . . (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125173)

Will someone please tell me how the Slackware forums would play out in Soviet Russia? I have a paper due at 8am!!!

In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125189)

...forums troll you.

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125281)

A cold morning in Soviet Russia. Thounsands of Ladas are gathered in the Red Square, as the date of Lenin's resurrection is finally due. A scream is heard: "In Soviet Russia LENIN RESURRECTS YOU".
Suddenly the crowd falls silent as the tomb's roof begins to shake. A great beam of light (not from heaven but from an array of powerful lasers, as communists are atheists) strikes the roof of the tomb and blows it into a thousand pieces. Slowly a platform rises from the depths of the Earth. Everyone stares in awe of the great Communist Leader.
Slowly the bearded man standing on the platform removes the hood of his cloak and his eyes scan the crowd, searching for young impressionable boys. The leader of the people's uprising wipes his face clean of the white, sticky fluid that has kept his appearance youthful through all these years of peaceful rest. People start to chant: "GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU" in a tranced voice.
RMS licks the semen off his hands and beard, adjusting his sagging, soiled pants.
"It feels good to be back in the GNU/Russia again. It is now time to..."
His sentence is ended by a multitude of gunshots, as all the Slashdot trolls fire their large caliber handguns from the crowd at the dirty GNU/hippie. His exploding, twitching body showers cum and blood all over the cheering crowd.
A single troll steps up to the platform and points a gun at RMS's drooling head.
"Do you have any last words?" The troll asks.
"I just wanted to say-" he starts, but is terminated by a burst of bullets from the troll's automatic Glock pistol.
"In Soviet Russia, the twinkie fucks RMS", the troll everyone suddenly recognizes as Linux Torvalds states in a clear voice and wipes the splattered brain matter from his gun. Another day in Soviet Russia has just begun.

First post (n/t) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125287)

A mug of frosty piss for me and every troll in the house.

Slashdot requires you to wait 2 minutes between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.

It's been 1 minute since you last successfully posted a comment

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Weh (4, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125113)

Like this posting on Slashdot would actually help to keep them free of trolls... Do you guys have no shame?

Re:Weh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125144)

Oooh, and they're Slashtrolled in record time. Anyone have a mirror?

"they're Slashtrolled in record time" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125317)

They must be running that Slackware shit.

/joke

"Read only" forums? Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125425)

How do any posts get entered, to be "read only"?!?!? :confused:

Slack this! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125115)

First Post!

Re:Slack this! (0, Offtopic)

D4Vr4nt (615027) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125127)

Why do people like you even bother? First off, you're not the "First post!" Lame.

Say something useful if you want to say something at all..

Yes yes.. I might be trolling, but I've got a point! :)

How 'bout this, biatch. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125223)

Say something useful if you want to say something at all.

oooh good one (-1)

Shoes For Birds (639097) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125659)

wHy dO pEOpLE liEk YUO EVen bOThEr mAkInG nA AttEMpT tA tROllInG? fIRsT oFF, YUO"ER not teh Troll. lAmE!!!

sAY sOmE mOEr uSElEsS sTUfF iF yUO pLAn oN sAYiNg aNy tHiNg mOeR aT aLL.

nO nO. YUO aEr not teh tRoLLiNg, aS yuo hEVA nO pOInT.

What were the moderators smoking... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125125)

At the time when this trolling was taking place? I am pretty sure there are 10 people who would love to mod that forum. It works nearly on every messageboard. In fact, it's easier to troll /. than any other public forum (ex. Ars Technica).

5th! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125133)

fifth post! woohoo! best I ever did

Re:5th! (2, Funny)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125154)

Not true! I've seen you come first many times... You are anonymous coward arent you?
and yours ws'nt a 5ht post ... more like 8 or 9

Re:5th! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125350)

BWWHAHAHHAHHAAAAHHAAAA - HA

Read only != Alive (0, Insightful)

FS1 (636716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125141)

I don't think a forum that is read only, can be considered "Alive", but it would probably better to say that the slackware forums has been resurrected, but only partialy so.

Just my $.02.

Re:Read only != Alive (3, Informative)

jkcity (577735) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125161)

it used to be read only, you can post there now.

Re:Read only != Alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125232)

Your $.02 ain't worth crap. Learn to read before posting.

Whoo Hoo!!! (-1, Redundant)

mageben (557038) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125146)

Now I can post some of my comments about slackware, one of the best linux distros ever...

Oh wait.

"...after 2 years of hibernation as read-only at userlocal.com."

What use are forums if they're read only?

Well, that's just peachy...

-Code

Re:Whoo Hoo!!! (3, Funny)

neverkevin (601884) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125176)

Hello people, read the post

>take down because of massive trolling are fully active again after 2 years of hibernation as read-only at userlocal.com

Translated: For 2 years the forums were read only, now they are no longer read only.

Slackware's forums? Looks like User Local's forums (5, Informative)

arfonrg (81735) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125150)

Besides, Linuxpackages.net has kept Slackware forums going the whole time..

Us Slackers now have 2 forums AND a mailing list...

WHOOO HOOOO!!!!

Here's the forums:
http://www.linuxpackages.net/forum/

Re:Slackware's forums? Looks like User Local's for (4, Informative)

JimmyGulp (60100) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125675)

Don't forget news:alt.os.linux.slackware, and news:alt.os.slakware

But keeping those free of trolls is interesting fun. ;)

Taken down for massive trolling? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125151)

Shouldn't Slashdot have died many, many times years ago? Hell, michael's write-ups alone should have killed this site.

Re:Taken down for massive trolling? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125353)

or that dipshit Jon Katz ... i'd like to kill Katz with one of those little nibbly bits you put on the end of an electric drill. Zrzzzz!!

Now maybe they can work on the store (3, Informative)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125168)

It's not very re-assuring when you click on help and get a message that says "Page not found: help".

They also make you provide your credit card info and confirm the order before they tell you how much shipping is and what the total price is.

That being said, I've used slackware since version 2.3, and it's by far my favourite distro. I've tried most of the distros, and imo they don't come close to slackware's functionality and ease of use.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Re:Now maybe they can work on the store (3, Insightful)

Herr_Nightingale (556106) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125365)

I've tried most of the distros, and imo they don't come close to slackware's functionality and ease of use.
I think it's a fair assessment of the sad state of distros these days, for the newbie at least (like me!)
;o)

Re:Now maybe they can work on the store (3, Interesting)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125419)

Ohhhhh. Poor thing. :-)
Just kidding, always glad to see another newbie. If you havn't tried Debian [debian.org] yet, you shoud,. Or any other dist that uses apt-get, debians package manager. Apt-get makes dependencies a thing of the past.

It will not help you with all the other linux details though. Sorry. Please keep in mind that making an industrial strength OS that is also easy for anyone to use is a tall order, and people are working on it as we speak.

Re:Now maybe they can work on the store (3, Informative)

alpharoid (623463) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125606)

Just for the record -- those of you running Red Hat can enjoy some apt-get benefits from freshrpms.net. You install apt (and optionally the GUI-oriented Synaptic), and just sit back and enjoy the world of easy rpms without dependency problems.

Not quite as complete as Debian, but fantastic for those who don't feel like starting over and making the switch.

Re:Now maybe they can work on the store (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125854)

They also make you provide your credit card info and confirm the order before they tell you how much shipping is and what the total price is.

Hey, pssst... it's free [ibiblio.org] , pass it on.

here come the trolls.. (4, Insightful)

doowy (241688) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125170)

First.. how did this make the front page on slashdot? Is it THAT slow of a news day?

And wouldn't Slackware users just stumble upon it instead of anouncing it to hundreds of thousands of dorks on slashdot who will promptly go trolling there now (especially given that it is apparently newsworthy).

I agree (2, Interesting)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125225)

Why is the parent modded as "Troll"? He has a valid argument.

Slackware forums don't have moderation to filter out crap like /. has. It's just asking for trouble. I'm pretty sure Slack users (such as myself) check the distro site on a weekly basis, and would eventually find out if the forum was up again.

Just my opinion.

Re:here come the trolls.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125728)

Very true... as most of the trolls were of the Debian type.

Basically it's the moronic attitude of people like yourself that cause most of the slackware troubles... sorry it's too advanced for you :-)

Re:here come the trolls.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125862)

Advanced?? It doesn't even have a package management system for christ's sake! Untarring tarballs into place and forcing you to recompile all your fucking apps when a new version comes out isn't my idea of advanced. More like a half-ass barebones system that I could've just built myself.

Uhhh.. (5, Insightful)

doubleyewdee (633486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125183)

I'm sure this won't be a popular commentary... but do the editors here just see submissions related to Linux and hit "approve" before thinking about what they approve? I mean, maybe it's just me, but I think posting this on the front page is an open invitation to all the slashtrolls to go troll somewhere new. Doubly so since these forums already got shut down as a result of trolling beforehand.

Had the editors considered this they might have noticed that not only is Slashdot rife with trolls, but that these trolls would love to go take out a site that is obviously "vulnerable" to their actions. The forums may be read-only now, but if they become rw any time soon they may not last long because of poorly considered decisions like "let's post an open invitation to troll on the slashdot front page."

The thing is, I'm not saying this isn't newsworthy, but sometimes it isn't responsible to print things like this. Especially when you know you're likely to get a bad (bad for others) reaction from your audience.

Think before you approve, guys. Er, end maybe edit once in a while too? ;)

Re:Uhhh.. (2, Insightful)

jmulvey (233344) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125219)

Maybe Slashdot has sold (yes, "sold", as in don't let the .org fool you this is a for-profit) their method for preventing "trolls" to Slackware.

A longtime multi-day reader, and longtime "metamoderator", It has been 6 months to a year since I've been invited to moderate. My suspicion is that it's because I often contribute a "commercial" viewpoint.

But Slashdot's approach of moderation seems to work well. I just worry about the man behind the curtain.

I really can't complain too loudly, because my voice can be heard. It's just not amplified by those who paid for the seats in congress.

Perhaps that's the answer to "trolls" ??

Re:Uhhh.. (2, Insightful)

pediddle (592795) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125424)

A longtime multi-day reader, and longtime "metamoderator", It has been 6 months to a year since I've been invited to moderate. My suspicion is that it's because I often contribute a "commercial" viewpoint.

I wouldn't go shouting conspiracy theories yet. Selection for moderation is automated, and I doubt any slashdot editors would take the time to read your comments, let alone (1) remember who you are and make the connection between a specific viewpoint and you, and (2) actually removing you from the moderation queue because of it.

Yet it is still wierd that you haven't been invited, while I've moderated three times in the past month... bad karma?

Re:Uhhh.. (1)

Erik Hollensbe (808) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125625)

(I moded earlier, but had to reply to this -- sorry!)

Slashcode doesn't really leave much to be desired in the 'forum' or 'BBS' department. It's more like a news engine with a very sophisticated commentary system.

That said, there are other good forum systems out there that do the job well. That, and there are these things called moderators, which should be used liberally amongst trusted users for maximum effectiveness. :)

Re:Uhhh.. (1)

Entropy248 (588290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125333)

What a terrible thing it would be if all the Slashtrolls went somewhere else. I can honestly say that I don't give a flying fsck if the slashtrolls go troll some other web page. That's actually a really good idea! From now on, whenever anyone is modded as a Troll more than twice, they are automatically re-directed to sites, like Slackware's, which have no means of coping! Make the Internet a better place by forcing public forums to have a better way of dealing with trolls!

====
And now, to complete the circle, I will be modded as a troll.

Shrug. (4, Insightful)

DarkZero (516460) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125379)

The thing is, I'm not saying this isn't newsworthy, but sometimes it isn't responsible to print things like this. Especially when you know you're likely to get a bad (bad for others) reaction from your audience.

This story is like the kindergarten example of the question of responsibility in journalism. Because of Time Magazine, millions of people now know of an excellent rifle to snipe with, a brilliant way to do it from inside the back of a car, and the ratio between sniping range and sniping accuracy. Arguably, anyone that reads Time Magazine or even just watches CNN is now about halfway toward being equipped to kill people from a distance with a sniper rifle. Why is this? Because our lives depended on knowing the exact type of rifle that the DC sniper was using, how much it cost, and where we could get one? Because the ratio between range and accuracy when firing a sniper rifle at a human skull had relevance to our daily lives? Because when we go to the doctor, we might want to have ourselves checked over with a sniper rifle to make sure that we don't have a life-threatening disease? No. It was none of these things. It was just sort of an interesting tidbit of information that some of us felt like knowing because we were curious.

People are bothered by what the /. editors do because they know a lot about the subjects that are being dealt with, like bandwidth costs and trolling. I've noticed, however, that few of them actively complain about the same sort of behavior when it is applied to larger issues. In fact, many of them might even see information on sniper rifles and just think that information wants to be free.

Re:Shrug. (4, Insightful)

doubleyewdee (633486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125499)

This story is like the kindergarten example of the question of responsibility in journalism. Because of Time Magazine, millions of people now know of an excellent rifle to snipe with, a brilliant way to do it from inside the back of a car, and the ratio between sniping range and sniping accuracy.


I think there's one key difference that you're missing here, though. Time magazine doesn't have a readerbase with a significant number of serial murderers subscribed to it. Additionally, becoming a sniper isn't much like trolling on the internet. One takes significant amounts of skill, time, and money -- the other just takes a fifteen year old who has decided that "Windoze XP is for fags and I'm going to be a hax0r and terr0r1z3 the intarweb now."

The thing I'm getting at is that Slashdot has a significant group of trolls, flamebaiters, crapflooders, and all the others in its readership and they are always looking for new ways and new places to get noticed for their trolling 'sk1llz'. The editors know this, and the front page story was worded in a way that practically begged these people to go wreak havoc.

If Time magazine knew it had a readerbase which consisted of a large group of gun-toting loonies then it would, indeed, be irresponsible to publish intimate details of murder by sniping. But even that falls short of the example. To make this example really correct Time magazine would need to print an article detailing areas which are deemed 'ripe' for a sniper to attack. I'm not saying they haven't done this, because I'm sure somebody (maybe them) has. I'm just saying that for your analogy that would have been the best way to really make a proper connection, I think.

At any rate... I realize that these days "journalism" and "responsibility" are not very akin, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be. And I think that on a website with a readerbase and editorship that at least feels it is above the common denominator some responsbility ought to be shown.

Re:Shrug. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125809)

Because of Time Magazine, millions of people now know of an excellent rifle to snipe with, a brilliant way to do it from inside the back of a car, and the ratio between sniping range and sniping accuracy
I think there's one key difference that you're missing here, though. Time magazine doesn't have a readerbase with a significant number of serial murderers subscribed to it.

I don't know...Time's readership is about 0.2% of the US population. I'd be willing to bet that at least 1% of US serial murderers are regular readers, making them a strong demographic for Time.

Misinformation (-1, Offtopic)

The Tyro (247333) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125609)

I hope every wanna-be sniper reads that article in Time Magazine.

The DC "snipers" were anything but. They were amateurs through and through, and showed no real knowledge or expertise in precision shooting.

I hope every nutcase who want to snipe does what they did... it will significantly limit their damage potential. Look at Charles Whitman, the University of Texas shooter. He did much more damage in a much shorter period of time, at much longer distances, and with MUCH greater accuracy than the DC snipers. He knew how to shoot, had the appropriate hardware to do it, and was motivated (he also got what he deserved).

This is often the problem with "free" information... you never know whether it's any good or not.

Caveat Emptor.

Re:Shrug. (0, Offtopic)

BlackHawk-666 (560896) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125691)

If a single article in Times is enough to equip sniper rifle carrying serial killers in your country then you're in a bad way. Seriously, do you think that just because people now know of one model of sniper rifle they are ready to become expert killers.

They would get much better info from a copy of Guns and Ammo magazine, and an address where they could also purchase said weapons. This magazine even carries stories in it from rabib readers on "How guns save lives". I'm not kidding!

Re:Shrug. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125848)

That rifle was NOT a precision rifle at all, nor was the shooting impressive. Everyone who ever qualified with the rifle in the service can shoot that well, as can most hunters. All hunting rifles in good condition can make those shots.

It takes a real rifleman with a real precision rifle to do it from 8 times as far. Thats what real military snipers do.

There are gun magazines in most grocery stores in the US that have information on guns and gun related products and shooting techniques. The only uncommon trick was laying in the car's trunk and shooting through a small hole in it, but hunters commonly use various forms of camoflage, so it wasn't that new or special a trick.

Re:Uhhh.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125418)

Quite frankly, Slackware IS shit, and does not need or deserve to be on the market anymore. I mean, I used and loved it back in '95 but eventually one grabs a clue that things like glibc ARE useful and switch to a more modern distribution. Fuck Slackware. And by the Jesus, you're damn RIGHT I'm going to FILL the forums with trolls. Because it's one of the major ways I get my entertainment when I'm supposed to be working. Yesterday I posted a doozy about Australians reaping what they sow, did you happen to see it? :-D

Re:Uhhh.. (1)

n3m6 (101260) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125536)

i thought the story said "Read-Only". maybe the editors were wrong again.

YAFI (-1, Offtopic)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125191)

In Soviet Russia, slackware trolls YOU! (You asked for it!)

Re:YAFI (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125220)

You know, I think Slashdot needs to implement a new moderation option.

+1, In Soviet Russia, SLASHDOT MODERATES YOU!

Thoughts?

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0, Offtopic)

D+iz+a+n+k+Meister (609493) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125263)

I think they should also have a
+5 Too Stoned, Can't Stop Smiling
moderation option in addition to the In Soviet Russia option.

*raises bong in celebration*

In Soviet Russia, bong smokes you!! Whoaa, cool!!

Re:YAFI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125412)

You know, I think Slashdot needs to implement a new moderation option.

+1, In Soviet Russia, SLASHDOT MODERATES YOU!

Thoughts?
This idea sucks, roughly as much as your mom on a Monday. It blows, about the same as your sister on a Sunday.

It's amazing!! (-1, Troll)

0z0*!a (632500) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125195)

It's amazing the time spend on this.

well, I hope they weren't looking for more trolls (4, Funny)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125199)

Announcing to slashdot readers that a forum that was shut-down by trolls is now back in operation is like telling the fry-guys and the hamburgler where the McDonald's truck routes run.

Re:well, I hope they weren't looking for more trol (1)

yobbo (324595) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125549)

Maybe the tactic is to publicize the forums enough so that all the slackware trolls go back to the forums and stop spreading their BS all over the internet.

Why don't they use slashdots karma system (4, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125203)

Old timers might remember what slashdot was like 2-3 years ago when trolls represented something like %50 the posts here. I almost stopped comming here and many members of my l.u.g. quit comming altogether because of it. First cmd Taco put in bans on individuals with certian nicknames from posting after so many flamebait posts.

Then I remember seeing the same posts over and over again with nicks like "asfdd3456-troll". I guess the trolls liked what the spammers were doing so they actually wrote scripts to generate tens of thousands of "..hot gritz down my pants..and Natalie Portman petrified.." posts with a different name each! Unbelievable.

This became unbearable then cmd Taco put in IP address bans. This was a lifesaver and cut down on the amount of trolls. Of course trolls can still just go to a library and post or spoof an address but it cut down trolling dramatically. Cut it down to half of what it was.

Last trolls began to experiment with page widening with lots of "."'s so an annoying horizontal scroll would be needed to read all the posts. Very very annoying indeed. A few lines of code to slashcode made that problem go away.

Anyway Patrick should use slashcode for his forum or write scripts that are similiar to slashdot's to get rid of the obnoxious trolls and use a karma system. This is the only way to ban them.

It doesn't matter. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125247)

Trolls still exist on this site (I even noticed some "toddler vomit" troll today) and will continue to post. Throw as many countermeasures into slashcode as you want. The fact remains, trolls will continue to exist because, and some of you won't like this, slashdot simply sucks. The quality is horrible (dupe articles, typos, posting hoaxes, refusal to consider multiple sides to an issue). I think if slashdot decided to improve itself before tinkering with a software-driven moderation system, the volume of crap would decrease on its own. What's that quote again about using technology to solve social problems?

in soviet russia (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125406)

It dosen't matter about what you think

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (3, Interesting)

jmulvey (233344) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125257)

[Insert the man with censored lips icon here]

So where does it stop, and who draws the line? Transparency is also the key here, as many longtime slashdot readers will also agree.

Here's a key discovery of mine from Slashdot: The ability to moderate a comment is more powerful than the ability to submit a comment.

How did I learn this nugget of knowledge? Look at my history, and you'll find that although I often post the alternative (i.e. "commercial") viewpoint, I'm not a "troll" in the traditional sense.

Yet I appear to have been banned from ever moderating. It has been at least 6-9 months, and I read slashdot several times a day. Every day.

My semi-alternative viewpoint in this forum has resulted in my sanction to the fringes of read-only activism.

Ultimately, "trolldom" is just another grey area of battleground where some will go overboard, and some will not do enough. Slashdot is naturally in the middle of this difficult new area of content management.

I understand the difficulties involved and risks. I don't blame Slashdot. In fact, I've learned a nugget of knowledge from the experience.

I just wish my relatively nonradical ideas didn't result is such obvious squelching of my voice here.

Signed,
a horrible, horrible "Troll"

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (1, Offtopic)

Osty (16825) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125355)

How did I learn this nugget of knowledge? Look at my history, and you'll find that although I often post the alternative (i.e. "commercial") viewpoint, I'm not a "troll" in the traditional sense.

Yet I appear to have been banned from ever moderating. It has been at least 6-9 months, and I read slashdot several times a day. Every day.

My semi-alternative viewpoint in this forum has resulted in my sanction to the fringes of read-only activism.

You're not alone! I can't recall when was the last time I had mod points. I think I had them maybe once last year. Per the moderator's guide [slashdot.org] , there's absolutely no reason why I shouldn't have mod points at least some of the time, yet I never get them. Is it because I post pro-Microsoft/pro-capitalism comments? Could it be because I've criticized the editorial staff a number of times for their ineptitude? Maybe it's my anti-SUV bias? I don't know. Prior to the karma rating change, I never dropped below 45 karma (though karma is a little whack -- I can top out, and get rated up all day with no effect, but just one person rating me down will automatically pull points from karma -- seems like there should be a weight system implemented), which means that apparently somebody here thinks I make intelligent, valid comments.


I always have been able to meta-moderate and can still, so I don't think I fell prey to the last moderation-revocation debacle. I just don't get to moderate directly. Oh well.

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125512)

You're not alone! I can't recall when was the last time I had mod points. I think I had them maybe once last year.

I troll every once in a while (usually pretty offensive stuff), but post enough "good" comments (whatever that means) to keep excellent karma. Anyways I get mod points once every two weeks, on average.

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (0, Offtopic)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125739)

You're not alone! I can't recall when was the last time I had mod points. I think I had them maybe once last year.

Once per year? If I posted a comment which got modded up to 5 I would get some, every time. Until they changed from "Karma: 50" to "Karma: Excellent". Haven't seen a single modpoint since that day, despite a lot of 4s and 5s on my comments.

I wouldn't mind a couple of points now and then. Specially if somebody has a good comment, just to give them a little pat on the back. Worked always for me :-)

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (2, Interesting)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125408)

Yet I appear to have been banned from ever moderating. It has been at least 6-9 months, and I read slashdot several times a day. Every day.

You're paranoid. I've been reading Slashdot for I think a couple of years now, and I read it quite a bit because, well, despite its flaws it's often one of the most entertaining and interesting reads around. I've had mod access once, which I blew because I didn't understand that thread == story. Never had them since, and I get modded up frequently.

You need to put your conspiracy theories away. Slashdot is mostly automated, do you really think Taco reads the comments and says, "Ah ha! User 233344 dares to go against the groupthink, I know, I'll make sure he NEVER has mod points". Er, no, he doesn't. Just running the site takes up all his time.

I just wish my relatively nonradical ideas didn't result is such obvious squelching of my voice here.

I've often posted unpopular viewpoints (usually posts pointing out Apple is not whatever hyperbolic adjectives have been applied today) but I still get modded up. If you aren't getting highly rated then either you need to post more interesting comments, or you need to change the way you write them. It has nothing to do with censorship or "squelching", just that there are hundreds of people posting but we all only have time to read a handful of the best ones.

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125667)

A lot of people are banned from modding, it's easy to detect, google for slashdot rtbl or some such.

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125872)

Um, Mike, Slashdot uses something called "rtbl"'s, to do exactly what you say doesn't happen. Look it up.

You're presumably also unaware of the thread [slashdot.org] that was modded up literally hundreds of times, with the editors manually stomping it into the ground every time it rose above the 0 treshold. Since they have unlimited mod points, that was a pretty unfair fight. (Yes, they admitted doing this.)

Really Mike, I love Slashdot as much as the next guy, but it's not half as neutral as you think it is.

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (0)

evilviper (135110) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125269)

Slashcode has done some things to cut down on malicious users when necessary, but that doesn't make it the ultimate troll-blocking solution.

Slashcode is adequate, nothing more.

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125340)

Thank-you, Hitler. You are indeed my Furhrer...

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (1)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125382)

I actually find some of the trolls' posts more interesting and entertaining than others.

There's two sides to that... (4, Interesting)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125400)

then cmd Taco put in IP address bans. This was a lifesaver ...

I've never trolled in my life, but slashcode has blocked my entire netblock (an ISP with a strictly enforced AUP and who would have pulled the plug on any miscreant if asked) for several months now. So despite my karma being "excellent", I can now only post via an anonymous relay. It was a major piss-off that my objections were just ignored.

Re:Why don't they use slashdots karma system (3, Interesting)

JimDabell (42870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125615)

Old timers might remember what slashdot was like 2-3 years ago when trolls represented something like %50 the posts here.

They still do, don't they? I've adjusted my settings to only browse at 2+, so I don't see a lot of it any more. Perhaps you have done the same.

Then I remember seeing the same posts over and over again with nicks like "asfdd3456-troll". I guess the trolls liked what the spammers were doing so they actually wrote scripts to generate tens of thousands of "..hot gritz down my pants..and Natalie Portman petrified.." posts with a different name each! Unbelievable.

Simple to solve, use a turing test [slashdot.org] to prevent automated registrations.

This became unbearable then cmd Taco put in IP address bans.

Yeah, I remember that. I (and presumably every other user of my isp) was banned for months after I went to the trouble of emailing them the details of my isp's proxy servers (to avoid the "you can't post" page).

Last trolls began to experiment with page widening with lots of "."'s so an annoying horizontal scroll would be needed to read all the posts. Very very annoying indeed. A few lines of code to slashcode made that problem go away.

And created a new problem in its place: the "phantom space" bug, that breaks urls. A better solution would be to only allow long text from registered users, and only once per day, or perhaps warning them before posting something that is broken. Or (heaven forbid) actually using css to lay out the page instead of that nasty table hack.

Anyway Patrick should use slashcode for his forum or write scripts that are similiar to slashdot's to get rid of the obnoxious trolls and use a karma system. This is the only way to ban them.

Slashdot's system for coping with trolls sucks. Deliberately annoying people is against the t&cs of most isps, when it started to be a problem, the admins should have started notifying the trollers' isps.

Well (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125209)

Looks like my schedule's now booked.

Heat up a pot of coffee and burn the midnight oil- it's gonna be a long night.

Slackware is dying ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125245)

Fuck I'll be trolling that one! Sweet.

The power of trolls is mighty!

Userlocal (3, Informative)

tiny69 (34486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125246)

The old Slackware.com forums have been available on Userlocal for well over 6 months. The only thing that has changed recently is that Userlocal has a new hosting provider and that the forums are no longer read only.

But this may be a bad time for the forums to become active again, alt.os.linux.slackware has been getting hit fairly hard by a troll(s) in the last few days.

Re:Userlocal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125273)

alt.os.linux.slackware has been getting hit fairly hard by a troll(s) in the last few days

But Chiron's been around for a while, and occasionally he is actually constructive and helpful.

"Slackware Forums Alive Again!" (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125249)

Nothing a good /.ing can't fix...

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Offtopic)

Obersturmbannfuehrer (642133) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125260)

...moderation points waste YOU!

/. Math (4, Interesting)

tiny69 (34486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125268)

Last post before forums were shut down: 12-14-01 13:24

First post after forums became active again: 01-20-03 21:07

Means "2 years of hibernation" on /.

Re:/. Math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125533)

This is interesting? So the writer looked at the years rather than the exact dates before calculating. Wow! I'm captivated -- nay, overwhelmed -- with interest! (Assuming it wasn't just a typo.)

There just has to be a post somewhere that's legitimately interesting and thus more worthy of moderation than this bit of incessant, infantile whining about the minor details of a blurb.

Re:/. Math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125681)

You're breaking standards here, there's an iso that says you must use yyyymmdd.

Re:/. Math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125792)

Surely you mean yyyy-mm-dd

Re:/. Math (1)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125762)

After the slashdot-spelling we now get the slashdot-math!

I love slackware (1)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125270)

Being a minority distro, it's quite nice to meet kindred souls in forums.

Keep on slackin' friends.

Re:I love slackware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125294)

Geez you make it sound like it's your race or something. Get a grip.

That's great and all, but (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125289)

why is userfriendly.org still on-line?

To: Illiad

We respectfully ask you to delete all content hosted at userfriendly.org at your earliest convenience.

What's currently hosted there is, by its astonishing amateurism and outright offensive unfunniness, diluting the "User Friendly" concept currently used by parodies of boring and badly drawn web comics based on the incessant repetition of ancient tech support jokes and stereotypical anti-Microsoft zealotry.

These parodies are facing a bleak future, when there are sites like yours that are honestly intended to be "entertaining" by using even more tired clichés and even worse artwork than the parodies. How are parody authors supposed to survive if the objects of parody suddenly start to express the parodied traits even more extremely than the parodies?

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1999-04 -07 [penny-arcade.com]
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1999-08 -20&res=l [penny-arcade.com]
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2000-04 -17 [penny-arcade.com]
http://www.somethingawful.com/features/usarfreindl ey/ [somethingawful.com]
http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/computarfunnys /comic-11.htm [somethingawful.com]
http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/computarfunnys /comic-20.htm [somethingawful.com]
http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/computarfunnys /comic-27.htm [somethingawful.com]
http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/computarfunnys /comic-32.htm [somethingawful.com]
http://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/computarfunnys /comic-39.htm [somethingawful.com]
http://somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/phot oshop/variety3/Eegah_comic.jpg [somethingawful.com]
http://www.themushroom.com/mush0122/unfriendlyuser .html [themushroom.com]

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=user%20fr iendly [everything2.com]
http://internettrash.com/users/theepisodes/keenshi t.htm [internettrash.com]
http://rmitz.org/comics.html [rmitz.org]
http://www.amk.ca/books/h/User_Friendly.html [www.amk.ca]
http://www.rdrop.com/~half/Creations/Writings/Rant s/ComicStrips.html [rdrop.com]

Enough already. Stop it.

Wicked! (2, Funny)

houseofmore (313324) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125298)

... now maybe one day we'll see the story pronouncing Slackware Alive Again!.

it was never dead (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125383)

Slackware -current has been updated several times in the past couple months. They even put some security updates into v8.1.

Re:Wicked! (5, Informative)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125540)

Slack has always been alive. Slackers aren't as...ehem...vocal as users of other distros but believe me we're alive and kicking.

If you've noticed, Slackware has always been a profitable company. It may not be as big as Redhat or Mandrake, but its got its own share of very loyal users.

Re:Wicked! (4, Informative)

orangesquid (79734) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125730)

Actually, Slack is still pretty alive.
True, you may have to understand hard drive partitions and other standard PC terminology to install it, so it may not be for "Joe Schmoe Windows User", but I love the configurability.
It almost does not have thousands upon thousands of packages, turning it into a 6- or 7-CD set that requires buying the more expensive 700MB disks. No, Slack can still fit mostly on one CD-ROM, with a few bits like KDE thrown onto another (who needs KDE/GNOME, besides? Ick.) However, I've never had any package under Slackware not work, and the only library problems I've ever had were with freetype1 conflicting with freetype2 (fixed in 8.0) and all the annoyances of keeping multiple versions of qt around because Trolltech can't keep it's fscking API the same for more than two weeks (sorry, any qt fans), but Slackware has never come with anything "broken", which I'm always grateful for.
Slackware also does not use a dependency system, which is perhaps a good idea at this point given the state of (most of) the competition (is there anything besides apt that doesn't suck?).
Patrick also keeps Slackware-current up to date with security and bugfixes; I have rarely had to wait more than a few days between hearing about a hole and being able to start that service up again. Not as quick as the instant-fixes that paying Red Hat customers enjoy, but absolutely fine for me.
Ack, I'm rambling. Anyway, Slackware is the only of the "original" distros which hasn't succumbed to vast amounts of bloat, and it has never released a new release with lots of broken libraries and such (RedHat 6.0 anyone?). Not only is it alive, but it rocks.
It's a very quality distributiong for the hobbyist, and I don't think it will ever die.

Hmm, after a preview I realize how crappy half this post sounds. Oh well, I'll post it sans karma bonus :)

bad analogy!! (3, Funny)

CySurflex (564206) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125364)

a Forum/Message Board being in "read only" mode is not hibernation ! "Read only" is maybe suspended animation. Maybe it's Kyrogenically Frozen. or the VCR is on Pause. or it's in still-frame mode. or it's taking a break. or it's off on a vacation. or it's in debug mode on a breakpoint. or it's in neutral gear. or the windmill is waiting for the next gust of wind. or the elevator is stuck on a floor.

I need to get out more.

Project Slashenberg presents Mother - Chapter I (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125391)


Every day the factory whistle bellowed forth its shrill, roaring,
trembling noises into the smoke-begrimed and greasy atmosphere of
the workingmen's suburb; and obedient to the summons of the power of
steam, people poured out of little gray houses into the street.
With somber faces they hastened forward like frightened roaches,
their muscles stiff from insufficient sleep. In the chill morning
twilight they walked through the narrow, unpaved street to the tall
stone cage that waited for them with cold assurance, illumining
their muddy road with scores of greasy, yellow, square eyes. The
mud plashed under their feet as if in mocking commiseration. Hoarse
exclamations of sleepy voices were heard; irritated, peevish,
abusive language rent the air with malice; and, to welcome the
people, deafening sounds floated about--the heavy whir of machinery,
the dissatisfied snort of steam. Stern and somber, the black
chimneys stretched their huge, thick sticks high above the village.

In the evening, when the sun was setting, and red rays languidly
glimmered upon the windows of the houses, the factory ejected its
people like burned-out ashes, and again they walked through the
streets, with black, smoke-covered faces, radiating the sticky odor
of machine oil, and showing the gleam of hungry teeth. But now
there was animation in their voices, and even gladness. The
servitude of hard toil was over for the day. Supper awaited them
at home, and respite.

The day was swallowed up by the factory; the machine sucked out of
men's muscles as much vigor as it needed. The day was blotted out
from life, not a trace of it left. Man made another imperceptible
step toward his grave; but he saw close before him the delights of
rest, the joys of the odorous tavern, and he was satisfied.

On holidays the workers slept until about ten o'clock. Then the
staid and married people dressed themselves in their best clothes
and, after duly scolding the young folks for their indifference to
church, went to hear mass. When they returned from church, they
ate pirogs, the Russian national pastry, and again lay down to
sleep until the evening. The accumulated exhaustion of years had
robbed them of their appetites, and to be able to eat they drank,
long and deep, goading on their feeble stomachs with the biting,
burning lash of vodka.

In the evening they amused themselves idly on the street; and those
who had overshoes put them on, even if it was dry, and those who had
umbrellas carried them, even if the sun was shining. Not everybody
has overshoes and an umbrella, but everybody desires in some way,
however small, to appear more important than his neighbor.

Meeting one another they spoke about the factory and the machines,
had their fling against their foreman, conversed and thought only of
matters closely and manifestly connected with their work. Only
rarely, and then but faintly, did solitary sparks of impotent
thought glimmer in the wearisome monotony of their talk. Returning
home they quarreled with their wives, and often beat them, unsparing
of their fists. The young people sat in the taverns, or enjoyed
evening parties at one another's houses, played the accordion, sang
vulgar songs devoid of beauty, danced, talked ribaldry, and drank.

Exhausted with toil, men drank swiftly, and in every heart there
awoke and grew an incomprehensible, sickly irritation. It demanded
an outlet. Clutching tenaciously at every pretext for unloading
themselves of this disquieting sensation, they fell on one another
for mere trifles, with the spiteful ferocity of beasts, breaking
into bloody quarrels which sometimes ended in serious injury and on
rare occasions even in murder.

This lurking malice steadily increased, inveterate as the incurable
weariness in their muscles. They were born with this disease of the
soul inherited from their fathers. Like a black shadow it
accompanied them to their graves, spurring on their lives to crime,
hideous in its aimless cruelty and brutality.

On holidays the young people came home late at night, dirty and
dusty, their clothes torn, their faces bruised, boasting maliciously
of the blows they had struck their companions, or the insults they
had inflicted upon them; enraged or in tears over the indignities
they themselves had suffered; drunken and piteous, unfortunate and
repulsive. Sometimes the boys would be brought home by the mother
or the father, who had picked them up in the street or in a tavern,
drunk to insensibility. The parents scolded and swore at them
peevishly, and beat their spongelike bodies, soaked with liquor;
then more or less systematically put them to bed, in order to rouse
them to work early next morning, when the bellow of the whistle
should sullenly course through the air.

They scolded and beat the children soundly, notwithstanding the fact
that drunkenness and brawls among young folk appeared perfectly
legitimate to the old people. When they were young they, too, had
drunk and fought; they, too, had been beaten by their mothers and
fathers. Life had always been like that. It flowed on monotonously
and slowly somewhere down the muddy, turbid stream, year after year;
and it was all bound up in strong ancient customs and habits that
led them to do one and the same thing day in and day out. None of
them, it seemed, had either the time or the desire to attempt to
change this state of life.

Once in a long while a stranger would come to the village. At first
he attracted attention merely because he was a stranger. Then he
aroused a light, superficial interest by the stories of the places
where he had worked. Afterwards the novelty wore off, the people
got used to him, and he remained unnoticed. From his stories it was
clear that the life of the workingmen was the same everywhere. And
if so, then what was there to talk about?

Occasionally, however, some stranger spoke curious things never
heard of in the suburb. The men did not argue with him, but
listened to his odd speeches with incredulity. His words aroused
blind irritation in some, perplexed alarm in others, while still
others were disturbed by a feeble, shadowy glimmer of the hope of
something, they knew not what. And they all began to drink more in
order to drive away the unnecessary, meddlesome excitement.

Noticing in the stranger something unusual, the villagers cherished
it long against him and treated the man who was not like them with
unaccountable apprehension. It was as if they feared he would throw
something into their life which would disturb its straight, dismal
course. Sad and difficult, it was yet even in its tenor. People
were accustomed to the fact that life always oppressed them with the
same power. Unhopeful of any turn for the better, they regarded
every change as capable only of increasing their burden.

And the workingmen of the suburb tacitly avoided people who spoke
unusual things to them. Then these people disappeared again, going
off elsewhere, and those who remained in the factory lived apart, if
they could not blend and make one whole with the monotonous mass in
the village.

Living a life like that for some fifty years, a workman died.

Thus also lived Michael Vlasov, a gloomy, sullen man, with little
eyes which looked at everybody from under his thick eyebrows
suspiciously, with a mistrustful, evil smile. He was the best
locksmith in the factory, and the strongest man in the village. But
he was insolent and disrespectful toward the foreman and the
superintendent, and therefore earned little; every holiday he beat
somebody, and everyone disliked and feared him.

More than one attempt was made to beat him in turn, but without
success. When Vlasov found himself threatened with attack, he
caught a stone in his hand, or a piece of wood or iron, and
spreading out his legs stood waiting in silence for the enemy. His
face overgrown with a dark beard from his eyes to his neck, and his
hands thickly covered with woolly hair, inspired everybody with
fear. People were especially afraid of his eyes. Small and keen,
they seemed to bore through a man like steel gimlets, and everyone
who met their gaze felt he was confronting a beast, a savage power,
inaccessible to fear, ready to strike unmercifully.

"Well, pack off, dirty vermin!" he said gruffly. His coarse, yellow
teeth glistened terribly through the thick hair on his face. The
men walked off uttering coward abuse.

"Dirty vermin!" he snapped at them, and his eyes gleamed with a smile
sharp as an awl. Then holding his head in an attitude of direct
challenge, with a short, thick pipe between his teeth, he walked
behind them, and now and then called out: "Well, who wants death?"

No one wanted it.

He spoke little, and "dirty vermin" was his favorite expression.
It was the name he used for the authorities of the factory, and
the police, and it was the epithet with which he addressed his wife:
"Look, you dirty vermin, don't you see my clothes are torn?"

When Pavel, his son, was a boy of fourteen, Vlasov was one day
seized with the desire to pull him by the hair once more. But Pavel
grasped a heavy hammer, and said curtly:

"Don't touch me!"

"What!" demanded his father, bending over the tall, slender figure
of his son like a shadow on a birch tree.

"Enough!" said Pavel. "I am not going to give myself up any more."

And opening his dark eyes wide, he waved the hammer in the air.

His father looked at him, folded his shaggy hands on his back, and,
smiling, said:

"All right." Then he drew a heavy breath and added: "Ah, you
dirty vermin!"

Shortly after this he said to his wife:

"Don't ask me for money any more. Pasha will feed you now."

"And you will drink up everything?" she ventured to ask.

"None of your business, dirty vermin!" From that time, for three
years, until his death, he did not notice, and did not speak to his son.

Vlasov had a dog as big and shaggy as himself. She accompanied him
to the factory every morning, and every evening she waited for him
at the gate. On holidays Vlasov started off on his round of the
taverns. He walked in silence, and stared into people's faces as if
looking for somebody. His dog trotted after him the whole day long.
Returning home drunk he sat down to supper, and gave his dog to eat
from his own bowl. He never beat her, never scolded, and never
petted her. After supper he flung the dishes from the table--if his
wife was not quick enough to remove them in time--put a bottle of
whisky before him, and leaning his back against the wall, began in a
hoarse voice that spread anguish about him to bawl a song, his mouth
wide open and his eyes closed. The doleful sounds got entangled in
his mustache, knocking off the crumbs of bread. He smoothed down
the hair of his beard and mustache with his thick fingers and sang--
sang unintelligible words, long drawn out. The melody recalled the
wintry howl of wolves. He sang as long as there was whisky in the
bottle, then he dropped on his side upon the bench, or let his head
sink on the table, and slept in this way until the whistle began to
blow. The dog lay at his side.

When he died, he died hard. For five days, turned all black, he
rolled in his bed, gnashing his teeth, his eyes tightly closed.
Sometimes he would say to his wife: "Give me arsenic. Poison me."

She called a physician. He ordered hot poultices, but said an
operation was necessary and the patient must be taken at once to
the hospital.

"Go to the devil! I will die by myself, dirty vermin!" said Michael.

And when the physician had left, and his wife with tears in her
eyes began to insist on an operation, he clenched his fists and
announced threateningly:

"Don't you dare! It will be worse for you if I get well."

He died in the morning at the moment when the whistle called the
men to work. He lay in the coffin with open mouth, his eyebrows
knit as if in a scowl. He was buried by his wife, his son, the dog,
an old drunkard and thief, Daniel Vyesovshchikov, a discharged
smelter, and a few beggars of the suburb. His wife wept a little
and quietly; Pavel did not weep at all. The villagers who met the
funeral in the street stopped, crossed themselves, and said to one
another: "Guess Pelagueya is glad he died!" And some corrected:
"He didn't die; he rotted away like a beast."

When the body was put in the ground, the people went away, but the
dog remained for a long time, and sitting silently on the fresh
soil, she sniffed at the grave.

Re: Now maybe they can work on the store (1)

civad (569109) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125399)

It's not very re-assuring when you click on help and get a message that says "Page not found: help"

In case you didnt realize: the webiste is asking for your help in locating the page you need to see....

All Praise Bob! (2, Insightful)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125470)

And there was much rejoicing in the land, for, verily, much Slack was given and received with praise and joy.

And even the trolls were happy campers!

All Praise Bob! Hail Eris! ;)

for your consideration... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125511)

to the point made by a few about preventing trolls with various methods; while I'm not speaking for patrick v., I can tell you the attitude amoung those of us who have been and will allways be with slackware is that things like the forums should operate on comon sense and self discipline. If they can't operate in this manor, they shouldn't operate at all. This kind of belife is at the core of the slackware mentality. Slackware moves slowly and with great consideration with little thought outside influances. We like it that way.

To the remarks of slackware alive, minority distro etc; slackware may not be the most widely used linux distro, but in my opinion, when all things are considered and stacked up, it's the best distro. Many will argue that different distro's are good for different applications, I fully agree, however, if only one could remain, it would have to be slackware. I'm not alone in this, I KNOW this becuase people tell me all the time it's true. Slackware users typically differ from other linux users in one distinct way...

redhat user: I tried slackware, it was ok, I also tried debian, phatlinux, mandrake and caldera.

slackware user: I installed slackware 5 years ago. debian seems cool and redhat made me angry to use so I gave it up after 3 hours. yeah, really just used slackware.

this is ranting... I'm tired. :)

download slackware. love it. or somthing

for your consideration... (1)

DrunkenPenguin (553473) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125746)

download slackware. love it. or somthing

Yeah, exactly that. I just love it - even after all these years. Slackware is something else.

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oxy-morons.. (-1, Offtopic)

humble_moon (635847) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125525)

"fully active... as read only" sorry to be a nit picker, but.. it's what i'm good at.

Trolling? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125546)

Oh yeah. Now I remember. It was mostly those Debian losers who are responsible for that trolling. Slackware & FreeBSD beat Debian all the way.

Troll problems? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5125597)

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I talked to [papa] yesterday (-1)

handybundler (232934) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125620)

thinking that I was entering #slackers and not #slack, he informed me of this when asked.

Glad to see signs of life (4, Interesting)

bindster (533597) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125674)

Now that I can see that there are some lights on at Slackware, I'm going to help them polish their distro with some apps/scripts/customizations which would be Slack specific; I hope this development spurs more people to do the same, and also to create a dialogue for those who are seeking to help improve the distro. I know of a couple things that could use some work too... how about that rc.sysvinit which doesn't even work? Maybe replace it with an optional full SVR4 init system, or have the option for a kernel with an compiled boot logo. Perhaps even our own version of a package download tool (tgz-get?). Hopefully this will open the door to all that.

Re:Glad to see signs of life (3, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 11 years ago | (#5125807)

One of the reasons I use slackware is because I *like* the BSD style init scripts. the SysV init system is very logical I admit but its also long winded and it can be a pain in the arse to track down problems. And if you want a kernel with a compiled boot logo just recompile your kernel to enable framebuffers and you get it for free. Whats the big deal?
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