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XBox Chip With Legal BIOS

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the keeping-legal dept.

Hardware 359

Lours writes "OzXChip, an Australian company, has a new Xbox chip which comes preinstalled with the new (Cromwell Linux BIOS. Previous chips came without (or simplistic) BIOS for obvious legal and hardware-related (HD-key) reasons you had to go through a lot of manipulations in order to install a patched version of the original Microsoft BIOS or ask the vendor to do it which obviously he was not willing to do for free (when he was willing to). Since the new Cromwell BIOS is fully open source it can be shipped with the chip without any legal risks, gaining you a lot of time, sweat and money. Plus the chip has a very useful feature: by using software based on Andy Green's -- one of the maintainers of the XBox Linux project -- Raincoat, it lets you flash a new BIOS very easily: burn the BIOS file onto a blank CD, put it in the Xbox, boot and you are done. With such beasts there is not much left in the way of want-to-be Linux Xbox hackers who might have been affraid until now to have to deal with delicate hardware intricacies or reluctant to run the whole town for a vendor willing to mod their Xbox at the smallest fee. With important linux distributions also incoming (Debian and Mandrake are underway if not completed) it won't be long before everyone can write code for (and on!) the machine only a few minutes after receiving the chip in his mailbox. Hopefully we are going to see a zillion things running on the machine that Microsoft would only have dreamt of making (and selling)." Update: 01/23 16:07 GMT by T : The company's name is actually OzXChip, rather than OzChip (as originally rendered); thanks to reader Michael Muir for pointing this out.

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first! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141573)

yay first!!

About time... (1, Funny)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141574)

Cool. A reason to own an Xbox.

Re:About time... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141818)

Cool. A reason to own an Xbox.

Here's another reason to own one: DoA Xtreme Beach Volleyball [gamespot.com]
All us imbalanced geeks will love it. :)

Re:About time... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141847)

HALO!!!
that is all :-)

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141575)

K, this is good, right?

I mean; just imagine a beowulf cluster..

IN RUSSIA CMOS.. :(

Console computing rocked (1)

larsl (30423) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141576)

This is going to change the whole world for the several hundred people that have modded the old hardware revision Xboxes.

Good for MS (1, Insightful)

tobes (302057) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141577)

This will be great for MS in the long run. They will have wider adoption since there will be a large selection of open source software. Plus, they'll make bank since everyone will still buy the bad ass xbox games.

Re:Good for MS (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141590)

everyone will still buy the bad ass xbox games.

Haven't most xbox owners already got both of those?

Re:Good for MS (3, Insightful)

mezzin (578393) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141618)

Not really because they lose money on every x-box sold and if we can run free software on it nobody wants to buy the expensief x-box games...

X-box games are very expensief to cover the losses on the machine sels

Re:Good for MS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141692)

Learn to spell...

Re:Good for MS (1, Informative)

watzinaneihm (627119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141619)

I doubt that they will make money out of Hardware. Most Game consoles are sole at just breakeven or below. Companies actually make money on Software and not on the box itself. Here [internetnews.com] is a sleisha old link abt m$s pricing strat.

Re:Good for MS (1)

tobes (302057) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141678)

I didn't say they were going to make money on hardware. I said that the xbox would have wider adoption. That means more potential game customers for MS (especially now that they are gonna own the game companies).

Re:Good for MS (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141740)

Most consoles do not lose money off the hardware, Microsoft is the exception, not the norm.

yay (-1, Offtopic)

edgecrusher (533227) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141578)

hey, neat i've got the first post... and unfortunatly have nothing to say. since i dont have an xbox and, well, yeah. it's late, go to bed! bah..

FP (-1, Offtopic)

jvollmer (456588) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141579)

You think I am goo-rooking?
Like American movie-star, Robert Taylor?

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141580)

finally!

yes but (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141581)

will it still play games? and be easy to go back to the original bios?

Check the links (4, Interesting)

thedji (561789) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141694)

In the article, there's a link to the pictures gallery [ozxchip.com] .

It has switch for "X-Box Live" compatibility ;)

big deal (0, Flamebait)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141700)

buy two and get over it

Re:big deal (1, Offtopic)

plugger (450839) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141758)

Get me one while you're at it. I'll have the cash next week, honest :)

Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141582)

So did anyone ever win that $200,000 prize? Would this qualify?

Re:Hmmm (2, Informative)

DrunkenPenguin (553473) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141685)

So did anyone ever win that $200,000 prize? Would this qualify?

Nope. This will not qualify. With this solution you still have to replace the original BIOS chip with a new one. Besides the prize was split half. The X-box hackers already got $100,000 by making Linux run on X-box with custom BIOS chip.

To get that additional $100,000 prize no hardware modifications can be done to make Linux work on X-box.
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Can't wait to order mine. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141584)

First thing I do is play TuxRacer.

Microsoft will find a way... (1)

FS1 (636716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141585)

to stop all of this someday. Whether it is through government intervention or some EULA (Evil Unconstitutional License non-Agreement) clause that says if you use these so called "Fair Use" reverse engineered chips, microsoft has the authority to fry your $199 computer game console, or something to that effect.

Re:Microsoft will find a way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141616)

No one else has been able to stop it (except Nintendo which was smart enough not to use standard CD's & DVD's for their discs), and I don't see that changing anytime soon...

xbox live (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141586)

I've heard that Microsoft detects moded xboxes and will not allow you to sign up/use their xbox live service if you have a mod chip. True?

Re:xbox live (2, Informative)

Mr_Tulip (639140) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141776)

Yes, that is true, however, this chip, amongst others, can disable itself and revert to the original BIOS if needed.

Build it, the (apps) will come? (4, Insightful)

Linux Freak (18608) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141589)

> Hopefully we are going to see a zillion things running on the machine that Microsoft would only have dreamt of making (and selling)."

I hope so too, but I thought the same thing when I picked up my Sony PS2 Linux kit. Not too many useful projects have come out of THAT yet. (All I really wanted was the ability to play mpeg video on my TV at a decent speed...but SDL hasn't been optimized yet, so that's not yet possible.)

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (5, Insightful)

b0r1s (170449) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141623)

There's no good reason why a majority of the people would want this. There is a small minority who will do it just to show that it can be done, the rest either:

  1. Will buy an X-Box to play games and DVDs ONLY
  2. Will not buy an X-Box, but instead will buy a dedicated machine to do whatever you might want to hack into a linux-running X-Box


Why? Because as a computing platform, the X-Box isn't that impressive, especially for $200. The graphics are nice, indeed, but you can buy a P4 tower from Dell for $400 [dell.com] these days, or a Tivo/PVR for a few hundred, a DVD player for $99 [vstore.com] , you'd have to be really dedicated to mod a perfectly good X-Box (which voids the warranty).

Yea, it's a nice hack for those who really want to see linux running on everything. For everyone else, another dedicated box is a better option.

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (2, Interesting)

LemurShop (585831) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141714)

People buy pcs just to play mame games. Or just to play divx movies. Or just to listen to mp3s. (i've considered a dedicated mp3 box for some time) For $200 and a set of speakers one could have a sound box thats cooler than the average mp3 player. (then again thats overkill and im just putting up an example, i dont know hoe good xbox's sound card is). $200 is dirt cheap for the amount of things it can possibly do.

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (1)

Anonymous Hack (637833) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141741)

Dude, the X-Box already IS a cool MP3 player. You can rip all your CDs onto the harddisk and play them through your sound system no problems. A lot of games let you use the ripped music in-game too. It's one of the coolest things about the box, certainly something that'd make me choose it over a PS or GC. You kinda get sick of the Tony Hawk music after the ten-zillionth time.

No good reason? (4, Insightful)

fredistheking (464407) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141783)

Gee since It's half the price of the PC you are pricing, I WOULD consider that a great reason to buy an XBOX. Also, with the XBox media player you can watch SVCD/VCD/DIVX, etc. Try building a computer with TV out that will do that for any where near $200.

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Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141788)

Hate to sound obvious but a $400 Dell is twice the price of a $200 X-Box. The X-Box can play DVD's too.

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (3, Interesting)

stud9920 (236753) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141801)

Why? Because as a computing platform, the X-Box isn't that impressive, especially for $200. The graphics are nice, indeed, but you can buy a P4 tower from Dell for $400 [dell.com] these days,
Maybe people don't want to shell out 400 bucks when 200 will do.
Maybe people who buy that as a media player want to actually hear the media instead of the CPU/PSU/HDD fan.
Maybe people don't want a monster beige tower in their living room, but just a moderately big black and green box.
Maybe people don't want to pay for 300+ Watt current when 100 Watt will do.

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (4, Informative)

Delgul (515042) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141652)

FYI, I already play accelerated video on my xbox using Debian and it runs just fine!!

The first projects that are implementing a jukebox/settopbox especially for the xbox have already started...

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141704)

There's a commercial program that plays MPEG/DivX on a PS2. No modchip required.

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141709)

Sorry, I do not use nor purchase proprietary software in any fashion.

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141799)

Except for Sony's Linux kit.

Re:Build it, the (apps) will come? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141809)

But in posting to slashdot, your packets travel through a Cisco router, running the evil proprietary IOS.

Even by reading this now, you are currently using proprietary software!

Punctuation, Lours (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141592)

You might want to look into it.

Just in time!!! (5, Funny)

PasteEater (590893) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141593)

Sweet! And the "Matrix" chip that I ordered last week should be here tomarrow.

In other news, I buy all of my Apple hardware the day before a Macworld Expo.

Most chips COME with programmers now (5, Informative)

raam (206445) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141598)


If you really want to get caught up in this addictive and fun hacking, check these sites for answers to all questions:

www.xboxhacker.net

www.xbox-scene.com

#xbins on IRC

By the way...the number of hacked xboxes surely runs into the thousands, if not more, and there are already enough robust applications to make it a full-fledged media device.

Re:Most chips COME with programmers now (1)

rehabdoll (221029) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141706)

efnet? ircnet? undernet? dalnet?

? :)

What's with the parentheses? (5, Funny)

AlphaHelix (117420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141601)

What is this guy, a Lisp programmer?

So now it will run ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141602)

Knoppix [knoppix.net] . Even though the Xbox has a harddrive, a cdrom based distro goes very well with this, and saves the need to repartition the xbox harddrive which distroys some data that some games need.

X-Box Killer apps (4, Interesting)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141603)

2 of the best Killer apps for the X-Box I've heard of are the DivX player and the PVR. This chip will go a long way towards making it quick and easy to set those up.

It's too bad MS doesn't jump on the bandwagon. If they produced PVR software and sold it for the price of a normal game, I'd happily buy an X-Box and that software. I'd also pay at least $20 for DivX player software for it.

Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]

Re:X-Box Killer apps (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141697)

2 of the best Killer apps for the X-Box I've heard of are the DivX player and the PVR.

Yeah! And that killer app Mediaplayer is a MPLAYER + some other open source projects rip off! Read more about on MPlayer's HQ site [mplayerhq.hu] . There's talk about it somewhere on the frontpage. Xbox mediaplayer people shamelessly denied using open source code and DID NOT GIVE ANY CREDIT to whom it belongs. They were also violating GPL by not providing the source code.

XBox Live (5, Interesting)

DJayC (595440) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141604)

How does this change the problem with playing XBox Live with a modded XBox? I would like to mod my box to play around with a lot of the homebrew apps, but I really don't want to get my XBox's MAC address banned from XBox Live, as I really do like the service. This is assuming that Microsoft really does check for modded XBox hardware. Does this advancement help the situation?

Re:XBox Live (4, Interesting)

Osty (16825) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141610)

How does this change the problem with playing XBox Live with a modded XBox? I would like to mod my box to play around with a lot of the homebrew apps, but I really don't want to get my XBox's MAC address banned from XBox Live, as I really do like the service. This is assuming that Microsoft really does check for modded XBox hardware. Does this advancement help the situation?

Easy solution: buy a second XBox. No, really. There are a number of used/refurb XBoxes around if you look. The infamous "Disk is Dirty or Damaged" error (DDoDE) made for a lot of replaced XBoxes. If you look around at your local used game shops, I'm sure they have a couple used for a good price (or refurbished for a bit more money). Play XBox Live on your current working XBox, waste your time hacking around with Linux on the refurb.

Re:XBox Live (2, Informative)

sirsnork (530512) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141823)

Well you install a switch on the side so you can switch between BIOS chips. So whenever you want to use xbox live just flick the switch and run on the original BIOS

Let me get this straight.... (4, Insightful)

trotski (592530) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141606)

So I buy an X-BOX, buy the chip, and then install a linux based bios.... on what amounts to a shitty celeron based machine? I don't know... seems kind of weird.

I'd rather get a good machine, install linux... and NOT pay microsoft 300 bucks for sub-standard equipment.

I'm gussing most people who do this sort of thing are the types who would love to see Microsoft fall... if that is the case, don't give them your money.... no matter how cool your modded X-BOX will be.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (4, Funny)

FS1 (636716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141617)

Actually microsoft loses money everytime someone purchases an xbox. So just buy the machine use it for a media box or whatever just don't buy any games, and microsoft will lose about $50 on you.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141637)

That's not true. An XBox sold is better than an XBox shelved.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141672)

True. All the talk about companies losing money on selling a console is total utter bullshit. It's just to get people out there talking and convincing people to support the company more and buy a system and games. Which logic I don't quite fully understand. Especially if it's being sold to a pirate.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (3, Insightful)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141839)

On the other hand, maybe if the demand wanes then they will just not produce so many?

But that's really stupid to be talking about it anyway - because there are 8.2 million Xboxes out there. I don't care how big you think the potential X-box mod-to-run-linux-only crowd is, you have to admit that percentage wise it is statistically neglegable and would have absolutely no impact on microsoft financially whatsoever.

Microsoft can just hire one less Booth-babe in the next trade-show to make back all the money that they ever lost to the "buy box but not games" crowd. Don't dwell on this too much.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141717)

It's not like Bill Gates writes out a $50 check everytime someone buys a XBox.

What people can't seem to grok is that's an average based on aggregate costs and sales predictions.

A large portion of the "loss" is $million in sunk costs like advertising, R&D, game development and so on. That money is already spent. Everytime an XBox is sold, MS makes a little of it back.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141621)


You're a fucking idiot.

The XBox is the most advanced console out there. People buy it because it has some good games (and is getting more), has double or triple the PS2 specs, has great online play now with XBox Live! ... AND, now can also be hacked up to run other software.

I have many computers, one of which would be considered a gamer's "dream machine" but I still have an XBox and PS2, for different reasons, and because I can.

You fucking zealot.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141628)

A) The hardware is plenty fast for Linux et al

B) Good video & Dobly 5.1

C) $199 complete (if you use a TV)

D) Uses USB Keyboard & Mouse

E) That is a dang cheap computer / terminal, especially when you consider everything it has and can do, PLUS it plays games!

Re:Let me get this straight.... (2, Insightful)

f97tosc (578893) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141630)

So I buy an X-BOX, buy the chip, and then install a linux based bios.... on what amounts to a shitty celeron based machine? I don't know... seems kind of weird. I'd rather get a good machine, install linux... and NOT pay microsoft 300 bucks for sub-standard equipment. I'm gussing most people who do this sort of thing are the types who would love to see Microsoft fall... if that is the case, don't give them your money.... no matter how cool your modded X-BOX will be I think you missed the point. Like everyone in the business, MS loses money on each console they sell. The business plan is to get it back in games.

Someone who buys an XBox and mods it to a computer gets a great deal. The equipment may not be state of the art, but it has been significantly subsidied by MS and is thus cheaper than regular hardware with similar performance. It also follows that they are not 'giving' their money to MS, quite the contrary. MS will have to give more money to the hardware vendors. Tor

Re:Let me get this straight.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141656)

This is moronic. I need to buy a keyboard, a mouse, a modchip, plus the XBox itself, running up to what? 300 bucks? And you insist that's cheap? What a joke.

Buying XBoxes doesn't "hurt MS". Unsold XBoxes is what hurts MS.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (1)

brucehoult (148138) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141665)

So I buy an X-BOX, buy the chip, and then install a linux based bios.... on what amounts to a shitty celeron based machine? I don't know... seems kind of weird.

When the machine first came out it was pretty good hardware for the price, and MS may well have been losing money on every unit sold.

By now though I'd bet that component prices have dropped enough that MS is making a profit on them.

If you think that you can buy one and make MS lose money ... you're probably wrong.

Re:Let me get this straight.... (4, Interesting)

Longinus (601448) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141796)

Just to clarify, the XBox only costs 200 dollars and comes with a Pentium III 733 MHz, not a Celeron. Any way you cut it, its a good price for the amount of hardware you're getting. Although it was more trouble for me than what this new BIOS will allow, I now use my XBox (with a 100GB harddrive) as a omni-emulator that allows me to play NES, SNES, Gensis, MAME, etc on my TV, as well as a media player so I can easily watch my DivX movies on my TV. In the future I plan on messing around with Linux and experimenting with PVR options (oh yeah, I own a couple XBox exclusive games, but that's really just a bonus to the real reasons I bought it). All in all, its been one of the best 200 bucks I've ever spent for the amount of stuff I can do with it.

Wow! (2, Funny)

YellowElectricRat (637662) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141607)

Wow!!! And without spending a bazillion gajillion years [theneoproject.com] of CPU time!

Hmmm... I wonder which one took/will take more effort...

ooh (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141614)

Wow yeah now you'll be able to run all kinds of fun stuff that a high end pc will be able to run on a low res tv set and celeron. The joy is overwhelming.

Legal risks (1)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141615)

Since the new Cromwell BIOS is fully open source it can be shipped with the chip without any legal risks, gaining you a lot of time, sweat and money.

Open Source or non-Open Source, this seems to run afoul of the DMCA anyway, at least here in the USA. So there still *are* legal risks...

Re:Legal risks (1)

grahamm (8844) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141795)

What copyrighted work does it give access to, and what effective protection mechanism does it circumvent in doing so?

Surely all a new BIOS does is provide an interface into the hardware (which may be subject to patents not copyright), it does not provide acccess to a copyrighted work.

Re:Legal risks (-1, Flamebait)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141855)

Absolutely wrong, shithead!

Why this is interesting (5, Informative)

warmcat (3545) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141624)

There are two big reasons why this is interesting.

1) Because modchips can now ship with a fully legal clean BIOS, it is very hard for MS to suppress or chill their development any more. Cromwell, the Linux booting BIOS, is only capable to boot Linux, there can be no copyright-based complaints. Ozxchips have made a micro-distro (~2MB ISO) which boots and reflashes the BIOS. In the future, I expect mods with multiple BIOSes in one flash, with Cromwell used to manage and reflash the other parts, but being itself read-only/protected.

2) Because Cromwell can boot off the Linux install CDs, perform the install and then subsequently boot direct into Linux, the increased availability of the BIOS suggests that more people will be encouraged to try Linux. And considering these are mainly kids who otherwise face a sterile, uncreative and useless relationship with games on the Xbox, that's a good thing. Again, in the future we can expect Cromwell to be a static feature of mods, the option to boot into Linux always being available.

You've been able to run Linux on the Xbox for some time now, this doesn't really change that. What's different is that you can now run Linux without using any MS code in the BIOS, whereas before Linux required the use of a hacked native BIOS to get it started. So the big difference is that you can run Linux without any copyright infringement.

That has ramifications for the MS trend to try to suppress modchips.

GNOME Armageddon (-1)

Trolling Thunder (639121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141626)

this is the sixth text revision done on 04-11-2002.

dear reader the gnome armageddon has started,

first of all i want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it. belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language. even if you don't care at all for gnome, you may find some interesting information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the need to switch to a different operating system.

on the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the gnome [gnome.org] community. the things that are going on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.

many of us like the gnome desktop and some of us were following it since the beginning. gnome is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of u*nix. only to name some of its advantages.

unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version of gnome. the core development team somehow got the idea of targeting gnome to a complete different direction of users. the so called corporate desktop user. in other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to pay money for getting gnome on their computers.

having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract by companies like redhat [redhat.com] , ximian [ximian.com] and sun [sun.com] decided to simplify the desktop as much as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. so far the idea of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.

some of the new ideas, features and implementations such as gconf [gnome.org] , an evil windows registry like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of 90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications, the new direction that gnome leads and the attitude of the core development team made a lot of users really unhappy. these are only a couple of examples and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. now let me try to get deeper into these aspects.

you may imagine that users got really frustrated [osnews.com] because their beloved gnome desktop matured into something they didn't want. during the time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. more [gnome.org] , more [gnome.org] and more [gnome.org] emails arrived on the gnome mailinglists where users tried to explain their concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.

but the core development team of gnome don't give a damn about what their users are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard purl. the reply they give is mostly the same. users should either go and 'file a bug' at bugzilla [gnome.org] or the user mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't really satisfying for the user. even constructive feedback [gnome.org] isn't appreciated.

if you gonna think about this for a minute then things gonna harden that they are directing into the commercial area. the core development team actually don't care for the complaining home user. it's more important for them to reach the customers with the cash. it seems that this has been told to them by the company leaders. everything about gnome has been decided already, a way back or direct communication isn't possible. don't get trapped by sentences like 'we listen to our users'. they listen to you - yes, to make funny silly jokes about you afterwards.

i thought that everything was build up on friendship, build on programming for fun, build on understanding each other. but the reality looks like it's all for the big money. the cash is what matters everything else is a lie and a dream. time for people to wake up.

not long ago they threw one of the most important long year core developer martin baulig [gnome.org] out of team. a guy who worked really hard on getting gnome into the right direction. a nice friendly person who put all his time into gnome. but narrow minded gnome elites such as havoc pennington [pair.com] were responsible that he left the gnome project. the trouble and the pressure that was put on him was to much.

with the new gnome desktop a lot of user interface changes happened such as button reordering [gnome.org] . needless to say that this confuse people who are used to the 'right' button ordering for ages. even our fellow linux guru alan cox [gnome.org] wasn't thrilled about this idea. but the gnome elites such as havoc pennington, seth nickell, calum benson and dave bordoley knew it better. why following the road of any other desktop that exists ? why not doing something that don't confuse their users and still stay usable ? well it seems to be too easy. gnome needs to be different than anything else so they changed the button order which was one of the reasons that users became unhappy. they said that there was a hard fight about this and the decision was made to change the buttons. but i belive they simply copied the behaviour of macos because most of the gnome developers use a macintosh as either laptop or desktop. sad that they forgot to keep in mind that users tend to mix applications and that this will lead into weird button searching and clicking.

but as if this wasn't enough the same people decided that the new gnome human interface guides [gnome.org] were the ultima non plus ultra in human interface guides. the announcement contained informations that the kde usability people got initiated into it. unfortunately the kde people heard about it the first time [kde.org] when seth nickell went to the kde mailinglist which happened after the announcement. you can imagine that they got highly pissed off about this attitude. you can read more on this link [kde.org] . to summarize it, the kde people clarified that gnome should care for their own business.

the problem that came with the new interface guides was, that every little gnome hacker started to become an user interface expert over night. a lot of gnome programs that we like to use matured into a disaster over night. hackers that never programmed correctly for their life started to blindly follow the hype of simplification. for an example look what happened to galeon's interface [sourceforge.net] (pay attention for the last paragraph). even philip langdale a long year galeon hacker got highly indignant by the target that gnome leads and wrote this email [sourceforge.net] to the galeon mailinglist.

here another reason why users became angry. the elite assumes, that the user knows nothing about their system. you find a couple of heavily insulting mails on their mailing lists containing sentences like the quoted ones.

  • "the user don't know what a window manager is"
  • "the user don't know what themes are"
  • "the user don't know what a homedir is"
  • "the user can't compile a kernel"
  • "the user don't want to customize their desktop"
  • "the user shouldn't see preferences which purpose they don't know"
you may imagine that a lot of people are being offended by such lines because it's exactly these gnome users who are meant by these phrases. to read more such lines on the gnome mailinglists, simply click on this link [gnome.org] and grep in their archives. be said that most of these sentences are coming from havoc pennington.

such evil practices shouldn't be tolerated by the users and need to be fighted. u*nix users aren't stupid people. who actually gave havoc pennington the rights to decide what the user wants and what not ? various users [gnome.org] told him that people who use a u*nix like system are well aware of their capabilities dealing with such a complex system. there's a reason why people are switching from alternative operating systems. they want to learn, they want to use the full power of the system, they want to change everything they like.

to top all this, look at the future plans of nautilus [eazel.com] . the current maintainers got the idea of changing the whole nautilus concepts into an object oriented user interface design. you may be highly interested in reading the exact words of alex larsson's vision for nautilus' future direction by clicking on this link [gnome.org] .

to summarize it, it's assumed that the user don't need to deal with his homedir or his whole filesystem because it may confuse him or because he don't understand it. the new concepts of nautilus should be that the user deal with symbols in the nautilus view. e.g. you get a cdrom symbol and by clicking on it you see the directory of your cdrom, you get a photo symbol and by clicking on it you get a list of all your pr0n pictures, you get a music symbol and by clicking on it you get a list of all your mp3's. you don't know where all these files are located because you don't deal with the bottom layer of your homedir or filesystem anymore as mentioned earlier.

the question is why are people that know nothing about their users, that know nothing about correct user interface design destroying gnome ? the users don't deserve all this specially those that backed gnome for all the years. even sun threw a bunch of so called user interface experts together and have them work on gnome. don't forget that sun are the creators of the common desktop environment [opengroup.org] . we don't need another cde clone named gnome. even havoc pennington author of the good user interfaces [pair.com] text isn't able to get his own written software following his rules.

not long ago there was an report about the 'two captains of nautilus' where the reporter (uraeus a gnome contributor himself) reported alexander larsson and david camp. you may imagine that such a report can't be taken serious because it's done by their own people. we here have a saying that sounds like this 'one crow doesn't hack the eye of another crow out'. now you can click on this link [gnomedesktop.org] and read more. it may be interesting to read the replies from various users all over the globe of what they think about gnome and nautilus in general (please pay attention to the listed ip's there). another nice and informative reading can be found by clicking on this link [gnomedesktop.org] .

the fileselector problem was a long discussed issue in the gnome community. finally they came to an solution for this and have decided to go for this [coreyo.net] ugly fileselector instead going for this one [wanadoo.nl] which was developed by a free volunteer for a long time and in general looks and behaves better.

most users have no problems with the idea of keeping things simple and clean. removing some not needed preferences was indeed a good idea but it doesn't stop. people started to remove everything from their apps. you're forced to use dubious programs like gconf-editor which basically works like the windows registry editor, to tweak uncommented preferences. i don't think that this is an advantage. even the possibility to tweak preferences with an editor was taken away with that ugly implementation of gconf. all your preferences are stored in a directory tree with an unknown amount of *.xml files. even if you delete programs their keys are still remaining orphaned in these trees and finding them is like playing trivia. at the end it's worth a discussion if a system driven by a single home user needs such a registry like system. we didn't need such a system for over 30 years but the gnome development team got the idea copying one of the most retarded systems from windows to u*nix. not to mention that the copy is more retarded than the original.

it's a shame to see how such a nice desktop got thrown into the trash by such people. but there is a lot more behind the scenes that i don't know about. everything around gnome is a big marketing strategy. poor people are working the hell out of gnome for nothing and companies such as those mentioned above are getting the big cash. for sure you could say - go and fork gnome - but seriously how can you go and fork gnome ? such a big project which needs a bunch of people to keep the code alive and compatible. well you know it's all about open source the code is signed under the gnu/gpl or gnu/lgpl, you can't own it. even the companies are aware of this. but if you can't own the code - go and hire their developers. you can direct them like puppets in any direction that you - as company - like. exactly this is happening with gnome.

well you could easily come up and tell me to simply not use gnome and let them do whatever they like. well, you are right with that but things are more complicated nowadays. gnome is influencing a lot of third party projects such as xfree86 which recently added a lot of gnome components into their cvs repository. please know that with the next coming xfree86 version you get a lot of gnome components without even knowing it. code like, gnome-xml [xmlsoft.org] , pkgconfig [freedesktop.org] , fontconfig [fontconfig.org] , xcursor and xft2 were mainly written by people who're heavily involved into gnome development. also the gimp is maturing more and more into getting the look and feel of a native gnome application. the cvs version of the gimp has a lot of gnome pixmaps inside and they are heavily working on integrate the gimp into gnome. if not today but the direction is sure and i fear the day this gonna happen.

it's ok that these things exist and it's ok to see xfree86 and the gimp are beeing hacked on. but please think about the people that don't like or use gnome. what about them ? why force them to have gnome components installed on their systems ? why can't gnome go the same way that kde went e.g. doing their own stuff without infecting other projects like aids. seeing more and more libraries and applications that were in no way related to gnome jumping on the pkgconfig boat which's really not needed. look what will happen to solaris, the world famous operating system on u*nix used by big companies and long years experts. they really plan to replace cde with gnome. i know that cde wasn't the best invention of desktops but it rarely crashed and it fits far better into the philosophy of xfree86 with their configuration system than gnome. you know the good old way having your settings defined with .xdefaults and all nice default configurations are going into /etc/x11/app-defaults/ and so on. understandable that the good old way may be blocking the future of applications for multiusersystems - but why must it have to be a windows registry like system that replaces future configuration ?

well to come to an end i personally don't like many of this stuff. i can't stand the button reordering, i don't like the gconf system and even more i don't like the commercial outsourcing of gnome and the bad influence that gnome has on other applications. the bad attitude of some gnome developers is another story since we are all different reacting humans. luckily there are people sharing some of my thoughts otherwise i wouldn't be able to proof my text with so many links. even amongst the gnome developers there are silent voices of people that hate many of these decisions and silently use something else. right now if you checkout the gnome cvs repository every day you find out that the whole gnome development seemed to came to an halt. the contributions to their cvs are poor. while projects such as kde are reaching easily 10-20k commits per month - gnome is getting around 1-2k per month on it's best times. it really looks like the situation of gnome is unclear so it would be better to have it not influence so much other programs or at the end we deal with an disaster.

now i hope this text was informative for you. i hope that you start to think about the situation and the global direction. the situation of gnome is unclear, their target is groggy too since i can't belive that the users that they are targeting ever heard of u*nix or linux. they plan to get out of the 0.05% desktop niche but this will for sure not happen if they continue their current direction and their bad ugly

Live support? (1)

rinks (641298) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141627)

So... will that chip void Xbox Live like the earlier ones?

Re:Live support? (1)

sirsnork (530512) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141829)

No as it will ONLY boot linux. You have to turn it off with a switch for it to boot games!

xbox live? (2, Interesting)

mewphobia (630153) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141634)

on this page [ozxchip.com] it says
#Disable switch compatibility (XBox Live compatibility)
does this mean we can play on xbox live with modded xboxen?

Gains (5, Funny)

0x20 (546659) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141636)

gaining you a lot of time, sweat and money

Well, one of those things I have plenty of, but I could always use more of the other two.

ugh (4, Funny)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141638)

So someone went, did an Open-Source BIOS to replace the main functions of a gaming console expecting to make a General-Purpose PC all because it runs on the x86 arch with a modified GF3? Feh:


"Yeah! Check this out! I'm uber-l33t because I hax0r3d my X-Box just like my Dreamcast -- Oh hold on a sec... *nervous laughter* uh, that wasn't Halo you saw; that was uh... ah... The Torque Engine! Yeah! I'm working on a FPS for my Linux-enhaned X-Box that I modded. Oh the Dreamcast? I ended up putting NetBSD on it, but it's been slashdotted ever since I put the URL in my sig."

So how is everyone going to react... (4, Insightful)

SensitiveMale (155605) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141643)

when the next 'leaked' halloween memo states that the original Xbox strategy was

(1) to test different types of security and see which ones were easily hacked

(2) to test different types of licensing agreements for their real hardware push into the living rooms of America

(3) to find a way to willing have people buy ms boxes to replace the failed WebTV fiasco

(4) to use open source people to boost the sales of Xbox above Sony's PS2s.

Re:So how is everyone going to react... (0)

lvdrproject (626577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141683)

(5) to profit!!




Somebody had to say it.

I dont understand the point. (2, Insightful)

NynexNinja (379583) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141644)

Besides the "kewl" factor, what is the point of ever modifying an Xbox? Games that once ran on the Xbox will not longer run. TuxRacer is fun, but come on.

PENIS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141654)

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New studies show that, for programmers, the number of lines in your code is a massive factor in the size of your throbbing member. Since most good programmers are good precisely because their code is so small and efficient, new ways have been found to bloat code, thus making your love-muscle that much larger and more turgid.

Please see how this simple, 15-line file has been turned into the bloated, 88-line monstrosity you see before you. Share, and enjoy.

/* HELLOWORLD.CPP
* (c) 2002
* All rights reserved.
*THIS DOCUMENT AND EVERYTHING WITHIN IT, EXCEPTING THOSE PARTS THAT ARE
*COPYRIGHTED BY OTHER PARTIES, ARE COPYRIGHTED AND MAY NOT BE USED
*WITHOUT THE WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE COPYRIGHT OWNER.
*VARIABLE NAMES, FUNCTION NAMES, STRUCT NAMES, CLASS NAMES, HEADER
*FILE NAMES (OTHER THAN THOSE INCLUDED IN THE STANDARD C/C++ LIBRARY)
*AND PRAGMA MARKS ARE HEREBY EXEMPT FROM THIS COPYRIGHT.
*ALL OTHER NAMES, STYLES, ALGORITHMS, AND OTHER CODE ARE INCLUDED
*IN THE COPYRIGHT. THIS CODE IS PROVIDED FOR EDUCATIONAL USES ONLY.
*/

// Include the contents of the standard-resource C or C++ 'header' file
// "stdio.h" or "standard in/out". It is, of course, possible that this file is
// not named the same way across all platforms, so it might someday be
// necessary to add some sanity checks or possibly find a way to not need this
// file included at all.
#include <stdio.h>
// For ease-of-reading, we will have two blank lines after declaring global
// variables (of which this file contains none) and #includes (of which we have
// only one).

// Now, since all C++ programs must begin with it, we declare the main()
// function. All of our code will be in this function. For clarity's sake, I
// might someday move the bulk of this code into a more aptly-named function
// such as sayHello(), and have main() simply call that function. But for now,
// I will just leave it all in here.
void main( ) {
// Again, for ease-of-reading, we will have one blank line after the function
// declaration before declaring local variables and whatnot.

// Seeing as I will be incrementing this variable (x) by one, it might be better
// in the future to use 'long' instead of 'int' as the variable type, since (for
// those of you who didn't know) a 'long' can go to four billion or so, while
// a regular 'int' can only go to thirty-two thousand (depending on machine,
// these may be smaller or larger). However, since 'x' will only be going up to
// 8, I don't think this is quite necessary, unless something truly awful
// should happen.
int x = 0;
// One more blank line after local variables...

// ...and then some real code! We will be indenting two spaces.
// I chose a while(...) loop over a for(...) or do while( ...) loop for
// readability. Seeing as I will be printing the string "Hello, World!" 8 times
// in this program, I could of course have declared 'x' to be 8 and counted
// downward, however that is extra typing that I don't need. For all intents and
// purposes, this is the cleanest, easiest way to do it.
while( x < 8 ) { // Note that I could have declared another variable ('y') and
// set its value to 8, thus making me able to use
// "while( x < y ) {". However, again for readability, I have
// decided against this. I am not averse to the possibility
// of using a variable named, say 'eight', but for
// consistency's sake I would rather the 'x' variable change
// to 'one', 'two', etc. depending on where in the loop it
// was. Since there is no easy way to do this, I feel I am
// going about it the best way.
// One blank line after the opening brace of the while(...) loop.

// I chose printf() over cout() for, once again, readability. Perhaps someday
// I will write my own function named something like printHelloOnce() to make
// it perfectly clear what I am doing. Again, however, that is a project for
// another day.
// Also remeber that is exceedingly important that you add the '\n' to the end
// of your printf() argument, as without your strings will be printed to the
// screen all on one line, which is just ugly. (For those who are unaware, '\n'
// means "newline".)
printf("Hello, World!\n"); // Remember, indent two more spaces while in the
// while(...) loop! Number of spaces doesn't
// matter as long as you're consistent and always
// indent one level deeper while inside a loop.
// Here I will increment the value of 'x' by one. Since it is possible it will
// grow too large and overflow, thus crashing, it might be necessary to include
// some sanity checks. The likelyhood is not very large, though, so I think I
// will leave off on that.
x++;
// One blank line before we close off the while(...) loop's opening bracket.

// And close her off! Remember to indent it.
}
// One more blank line...

// And now we close off main()!
}
/* I hope you enjoyed our time together. Happy coding and remember, there's no
* such thing as a bad comment!
*/

Release early and often (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141726)

Throw the GPL in there a few times and release it to freshmeat as an alpha VRML browser.

Outside Australia? (2, Insightful)

imperator_mundi (527413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141658)

That's great for aussie, but I fear that this stuff will never leave the southern emisphere because I can easily figure out gangs of M$ lawyers ready to rumble as soon as a company try to sell it outside Australia.

x-anything (5, Informative)

ianmalcm (591345) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141664)

Yes the $100k prize was awarded, search for the /. story.

You'll never play xbox live online with a modded box. Theyre attitude makes sense: a service population with 5% cheaters will make 60% of normal gamers shy away from playing. Many people stopped playing CS because cheating is so prevalent.

As for killer apps, the XBMP - Xbox Media Player now in v2.2 is the ultimate app that is continually updated. DVD/mp3/ogg/m3u playlist/divx support, and the features keep getting better. Plus streaming support. right now, Xbox is the most cost effective media center available. Plus it has some great tech support in the dev scene. And Dreamix is a WIP PVR to complete the media center ideal

The price of the Xbox will rise (2, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141670)

MS makes money on the Xbox one way, and one way only: Games. The Xbox itself is sold at a loss, but the profit gained from selling games evens this out.

Now, a marginal group hacking Linux on the Xbox doesn't really matter, but what if someone wanted to buy 10000 Xboxes to build a super-cheap rendering cluster?

If doing this becomes easy enough MS isn't going to sell the Xbox for a loss forever...

Re:The price of the Xbox will rise (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141774)

"The Xbox itself is sold at a loss"

According to whom?

The only data I've seen in regards to this comes from the same people who also insist that 'omg pretendo is teh sux!!!' and 'haha sonic iz gay!'

What wrong with you? (5, Funny)

jeanjean83 (624273) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141674)

What's the fun part in running anything on an x-box? Have you forgotten that it's made by microsoft? It's like saying that it's cool to run programs in windows, which it obviously isn't. Stop the madness!

Re:What wrong with you? (4, Insightful)

terrencefw (605681) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141713)

What's the fun part in running anything on an x-box? Have you forgotten that it's made by microsoft? It's like saying that it's cool to run programs in windows, which it obviously isn't. Stop the madness!

Well, that's exactly the point: It's made by Microsoft. They can shut us out of their software with their "screw-yew" EULAs, but they've tried to shut us out of the hardware as well, and the xbox modders have proved that they can't do that, neither technologically or legally. Bet they've got their best monkeys scratching their heads to work out how to close their platform legally, but when it comes down to it, it's hardware, I've bought it, not licensed it and I can do what I damn well like with it. If I want to hack my fridge to run Linux, then I will. Same goes for the Xbox, and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

Re:What wrong with you? (0, Troll)

jeanjean83 (624273) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141733)

I just don't get why people buy x-boxes in the first place. It's not like it hurts microsoft THAT much if you use it as an anchor instead of a gaming console. You still Bought it, you actually gave microsoft money. I mean you could spend your money on something else. I'm not telling you, you shouldn't buy anything from microsoft. Well that's actually what I think. But I still don't do it. But What's the point in complaining about restricted hardware, when you know that the company is very restricted taht made it.

Going Overboard (3, Insightful)

evilviper (135110) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141677)

People are going a little overboard with the XBox modding. Sure, have fun, do something new with it, but for the same price, you can get a faster PC, with expansion slots where you can plug in any device you might want, and less expensive than xbox accessories.

Then, you'll be supporting the PC industry, instead of a Monopoly that makes propritary, overpriced, devices.

Question for the legal masses. (0)

chocho99 (552877) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141689)

Is there any way that M$ can turn this into another DMCA crusade to stifle it. I don't know enough about the Xbox. But, given M$ history, M$ money, and M$ attitude, they should be all over this like a hawk.

Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141696)

Linux as a circumvention device!

I want to do this (1)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141722)

Just to poke a stick in Bill Gate$ eye.
Barnes & Noble sells used Xbox's for $150.
I'm going to pick mine up this weekend..

Registered Linux user number 302172
Registered Micro$oft Hater number 302172
Registered Linux machine number 187566

Flashing BIOS Easy? MSFT must love this. (4, Interesting)

grimani (215677) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141725)

Flashing a BIOS is *not* supposed to be an easy one step process, and there's a reason for it.

I can just see it now:

1) Linux hacker goes home with new hotly anticipated Starcraft: Ghost (published by Microsoft), which he stood in line for 10 hours to buy.

2) Linux hacker pops new game into XBox.

3) New UberSafeDisc protection on Starcraft: Ghost flashes replacement BIOS, replaces it with code for original XBox BIOS, then disables future flashing...

Re:Flashing BIOS Easy? MSFT must love this. (4, Interesting)

warmcat (3545) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141792)

This is a good point.

However, some information: on the Xbox, the motherboard flash containing the BIOS is not writeable by default. You have to take out the motherboard and short out a couple of links with solder before it can be written. So MS cannot trash or update the original BIOS.

Most commercial modchips feature a write protect line which you physically have to switch to allow writes to the mod flash. Even those that don't are externally reprogrammable from a PC printer port. So this is no kind of crisis.

What is more possible to imagine in the future though are new games linked with a new version of the MS libraries which seek out and shit on assets on the HDD that MS don't approve of.

Are they still at a loss? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141762)

The question that plagues my mind is whether or not the X-Box (the console itself that is) losses money for Microsoft. I heard, from several [zdnet.co.uk] sources [wired.com] , that the company loses ~$100 on the hardware of the actual console. This of course makes a "1337" incentive for any Linux hacker to take down the man and get cheap hardware.

But with the depreciation of hardware over time, does it still cost them? Thoughts appreciated. -MMT

Re:Are they still at a loss? (0)

m1chael (636773) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141848)

all companies lose money on the hardware! they get it back in the software licensing! jeebus!

boo, hiss! (1)

hangingonwords (581642) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141770)

why would anyone within such a large population of anti-microsoft users actually own an x-box? be it a linux x-box bios it's still a microsoft x-box... now if it were a stolen x-box, that would be a different story!

What is the goal? (4, Insightful)

zebtron (160283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141793)

I am waiting for a "real" X-Box.

I would be very happy if I could get an X-box to be a 'good file player' that could play DVD, VCD, and everything else I play on my PC (QT, AVI, DIVX, VOB, blah blah... I admit, a big bag), and some basic network functionality without compromising the ability to play legal X-box games.

Within the community, we seem to have several counter-productive lines of progression.

There are the folks that want to play around with their X-box and add functionality (the most interesting and productive pursuit) and the people who want to buy a M$-subsidized device and use it for Linux-only purposes.

Realistically, the latter are better served to craft their own boxes w/o M$ at all (we all know what has happenned w/ HW prices).

Does it make any sense to buy an X-box and use it as a Linux box? It did months ago, but, with the way the market is progressing, you will gain far less in HW $ than you get is SW time...

I am all for EXTENDING the abilities of the X-Box, but you get much beyond that and it ends up being a gesture motivated not my innovation, but by spite for M$.

-Z
M$ XP user (3 PCs) w/ a SUN Solaris, MacOS, and a lil TiVo on the SDA LAN.

Linux on xbox might be good for Microsoft.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5141819)

Microsoft most likely win on this one..
I do not buy a Xbox for any reason. I do not suport Microsoft.

Open source on MS? (1)

KELDARofLORE (644032) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141824)

Ironic that Microsoft's first piece of hardware will have open source controlling it

Oh sweet charlie horse on a rocket.... (2, Interesting)

neuroking (204934) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141825)

Okay kids. Face it. You got the XBox to play the XBox games. But, now all yer Linuxgeeky friends are hounding your about supporting M$, so you're doin the old "No.. ummm I got it so... um... I can hack it! Yeah! k-rad k00l d00d!"

And as for people saying M$ is losing money on every unit sold, what if everyone went out and bought an XBox, just to mod it? You know what would happen? "XBox is now the most popular gaming console in the world, according to an indepenent poll. Game developers everywhere are dropping or delaying support for other systems in order to take advantage of this hot market." Now, how was M$ losing money?

Seems like your doing the old "Yeah, you should have seen the look on his face when I stopped his fist with my head..."

New marketing campaign (1)

lightspawn (155347) | more than 11 years ago | (#5141846)

For out-of-the-box Linux, there's no power greater than X.
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  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>