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Sony to Stop Producing Smaller CRTs

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the forced-obsolescence dept.

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NerveGas writes "Sony is apparantly going to stop producing 17- and 19-inch CRTs, in favor of LCDs. It seems a bit soon to drop CRTs completely, seeing as how LCDs still have less than 30% of the market share. Maybe since their patent on Trinitron screens expired, they're not able to command ridiculous margins any more." Smaller CRTs? I've got a couple 19" Sony monitors here, and I've always considered them to be a good size.

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564 comments

the las vegas effect (5, Funny)

timothy (36799) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147447)

I'm happy for 19" CRTs to be considered small -- anyone who would like to give me an LCD or nine, I take all sizes, even little tiny 17-inchers.

Looking forward to the day that 42" plasma TVs are also small :)

timothy

Re:the las vegas effect (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147516)

Looking forward to the day that 42" plasma TVs are also small :)

Welcome to my airplane hangar... I mean office.

Re:the las vegas effect (1)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147532)

Know anything about plasma screens?

When I get my own place, I'm going to buy one of those sweet things for like $5,000 and, if I can, double it up as a computer monitor and a TV.

I figure it's worth it to have a great monitor no matter what I'm currently watching/doing.

Re:the las vegas effect (5, Interesting)

PhantomHarlock (189617) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147622)

Plasma screens have really short burn in times, if you put a computer desktop on it you'll have permanent ghosts where the static objects on your desktop are in notime.

People who buy them as televisions have to be very careful to avoid burn it, that's why they have grey vertical bars instead of black when watching 4:3 television on a 16:9 display. The technology just isn't quite there yet.

Re:the las vegas effect (5, Insightful)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147535)

sorry, lcd's are still too slow to refresh. there is a visible lagtime (in milliseconds) when dragging windows and scrolling, especially when there is a big contrast difference between the surface that was visible and the one that replaced it (after-ghosts). i dunno about you guys, but i find it rather annoying. i'll be sticking to my 100hz crt for now.

WAR (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147456)

Iraq's about to get knocked the fuck out! Then North Korea, then Iran, then just for good measure we should nuke Germany and France! You know Russia would love that!

Re:WAR (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147512)

This guy has the right fucking idea. But why stop at France and Germany? All of Europe is foo-foo.

No Profit Margin in "Small" CRTs (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147459)

If you look at the prices of both 17" and 19" CRTs, you'll see that there isn't much room for profit in making that size monitor. Sony's resources are much better spent making LCDs and large screen TVs.

Re:No Profit Margin in "Small" CRTs (1)

Nexx (75873) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147523)

Source, please? :)

A relative is a rather important manager for Sony, in the displays division, and I'm slightly skeptical that I heard of this on a web news bit first :)

Re:No Profit Margin in "Small" CRTs (1)

ckaminski (82854) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147563)

Insider trading rules (when working, and your employees aren't corrupt *cough* Enron *cough*) ensure that you will ALWAYS see such news in the press before hearing it from relatives. If he's "a rather important manager", I'm sure he knows this...

But you're right, I find it hard to believe myself. Doesn't make it false, however.

-Chris

Re:No Profit Margin in "Small" CRTs (1)

Nexx (75873) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147613)

Well, oh yeah. Though, a rather credible rumour has it that IBM leaked the details of their Lotus buyout to their employees a day or so before they did so to the press. It's not the same thing, but that sort of "action" keeps employees happy (or, to the idiots who didn't use disgretion, unhappy *grin*).

Sony GDM-FW900 (3, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147628)

When they can charge 2250 bux for a 24 inch GDM-FW900 Wide screen monitor (2304X1440), compared to 250 bux for a 19inch monitor, its an easy to tell where the profit is.

BTW, We have these on triple headed sun boxes, man they are great. I'd love to have one at home, dvd, hdtv and games, oh yeah... Too bad its artificially priced high, you could buy 2 21 inch LCDs for the same price.

Oh come on... (5, Funny)

dasmegabyte (267018) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147460)

It's not the size of the CRT that matters...it's the resolution of the image!

At least that's what my wife tells me.

Resolution does count (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147592)

but if I was going above 1280x1024, an LCD would have better image quality than my shitty CRT.

If monitors weren't so damn expensive, I'd buy several of them. The same goes for nearly all technology. If 1gb/s ethernet equipment was reasonably priced, I would upgrade my network.

Are tech manufacturers trying to squeeze money out of those that will pay the most before squeezing mass sales from the rest of us or does it really cost more to manufacture for the first two years?

Re:Resolution does count (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147670)

if they charge the same initially they miss out on all the high margin goodness. Of course they also run the risk of discount competition, so they have to counter that with slick business and marketting.

Re:Oh come on... (5, Funny)

Magus311X (5823) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147618)

Tell that to some of the people in my company.

User is still using one of the older monitors (15" Trinitron tubes) and made a requisition, complaining for a better monitor. Well, they clamored enough for a while we were told to give her a 19". I set it up during her lunch, and set it to 1024x768.

I thought I was being very conservative with that resolution, because everyone seems to complain about their eyesight.

Next day I walked by it and she apparently set it to 640x480 with large icon and large fonts. She wears glasses too.

-----

Re:Oh come on... (4, Funny)

Syncdata (596941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147635)

and I've always considered them to be a good size.
"Brodie, when a woman tells you it's a good size, that's a nice way of saying 'It's too small'".
/mallrats

Re:Oh come on... (1)

psychogentoo (582658) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147661)

When your IT person tells you that your CRT is a good size, s/he is really saying that its too small. :)

History Lesson (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147463)

Sources show that Linus Torvalds is actually a virtual reality creation of the GNU invasion from the planet, Ort. Although the Ort seeds were first discovered in the snow near Helsinki, Finland, a mentor by the name of Richard Stallman nurtured these buds to become, what is now known world-wide as, GNU/Linus.

When GNU/Linus created the world's most revered Operating System with the help of several hundred on the web, it became known as GNU/Linux, after
it's creator, "web". There is, currently, a move on to change its name to GNU/WEB to more closely show its origin, but some of the original developers are still trying to keep Linux in the name.

Does this mean... (4, Interesting)

s.a.m (92412) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147465)

That we'll get to see some companies pick up the details of the patent and start producing CHEAPER trinitron crt's? That would be awesome since sony crts are expensive.

Re:Does this mean... (3, Interesting)

Nexx (75873) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147552)

They can get all the details they want from Sony's now-expired patent, like Mitsubishi did. Why they're not doing so is mostly because Trinitron/Diamondtron monitors are slightly more difficult to manufacturer.

I'm actually curious to see who builds ViewSonic's vertically-flat trinitron-esque tubes (it's definitely not Sony).

Re:Does this mean... (2, Insightful)

kscd (414074) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147566)

If i'm not mistaken, mitsubishi already did with their Diamondtron series....

This is Great (-1, Offtopic)

bastardman (631862) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147467)

Last year sony slipped a slippery pickle in my pants, but this time I was prepared. Thanks /. for preventing another embarasing moment

LCD Cost (5, Insightful)

kmahan (80459) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147474)

Hopefully this will be an incentive to drive the cost of LCD monitors down.

LCDs Still Suck. (4, Insightful)

Quaoar (614366) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147479)

I refuse to by a monitor that loses definition at odd angles, has a hard time with the color black, and is only sharp at one resolution. I especially refuse to buy them when they're twice as expensive. The only benefits are power use and desk space...two things that rank very low on the ladder of importance for me. I'm certain a LOT of other people feel the same way.

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (4, Insightful)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147520)

Lets not forget dead-pixel syndrome and shitty refresh rates which cause ghosting in fast action games (this has been reduced in newer LCDs but NOT eliminated.. not by a long shot).

LCDs are great when you're space limited and need an office-work machine and are great for laptops of course, but I refuse to put on on my home system given the insane cost and all of the associated problems (particularly for gamers and graphics professionals).

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (4, Interesting)

aetherspoon (72997) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147581)

I'm a gamer.
I run UT2003.
I own a LCD.
My LCD runs usually at 75 hz, although it can run at 80 hz.
I see no ghosting whatsoever.
I see no dead pixels, and I've even had my monitor go through the US's airline BAGGAGE.

Me thinks you have not seen a modern LCD.

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147522)

"I'm certain a LOT of other people feel the same way."

If by a LOT of people, you mean the 'big fat nerd' market, then yes.

Three words (3, Insightful)

alexjp (43728) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147559)

Reduced eye strain.

Re:Three words (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147589)

>Reduced eye strain.

Yeah, CRTs are much easier to read. Especially in high ambient light. Good point. I never thought of it!

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (2, Insightful)

Nexx (75873) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147571)

Keep in mind Sony is a Japanese company, and in Japan, space is at a premium. LCD's are the norm there (though mostly in the 15" variety), with some companies issuing laptops as their workers' main PCs.

five words (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147584)

black is not a color

Re:five words (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147648)

Oh fuck off, nerdling.

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (3, Interesting)

be-fan (61476) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147603)

I refuse to buy a monitor that doesn't have at least a 120 DPI native resolution. That rules out pretty much every CRT. I switched from a nice 19" Sony Trinitron to a 15" 1600x1200 Dell laptop LCD, and it's the best switch I've ever made. Staring at text just plain becomes easier when there are enough pixels to actually display letter shapes! The total lack of flicker and zero geometric distortion doesn't hurt!

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (1)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147612)

heh you mustnt have seen a modern lcd, most of them have no angle anymore, and have far deeper blacks than any CRT, my new dell LCD is a case in point. I have tried some other LCDs and found them still lacking in areas where they have traditionally had problems (apple ibm samsung) but a modern one should have no problem

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147672)

They all have angle problems. I've seen the best and I'd never do color work on an LCD screen. Just looking straight at one, the color varies from top to bottom and it's not something that can be "fixed". It's the nature of the beast.

Businesses don't feel the way you do (4, Insightful)

Wee (17189) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147615)

The only benefits are power use and desk space...two things that rank very low on the ladder of importance for me. I'm certain a LOT of other people feel the same way.

I can tell you that those two things (well, one does, anyway) rank pretty high on a large organization's list. For example, I can tell you that any new computers which come with monitors bought by UCSD's CS dept have to be ordered with LCD monitors now. The power savings are pretty big, even though it may take a while to phase in the new machines and their flatpanels. A couple friends in various other large companies have also seen this trend.

My guess is that Sony is merely catering to business needs and pressures and not thinking of home users as much.

-B

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (1)

guacamole (24270) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147620)

The text and other figures (but usually not colors)
look -much- sharper on LCDs. LCDs -are- a great improvement because my job involves stating at the screen at least 6 hours a day. For the last few years I have been using exclusively 19inch CRTs. Recently, I have switched to a 19inch LCD and man.. that's a real improvement. It is trully a joy to look at that screen and I don't have headaches any more at the end of work day.

LCDs Still Rock (2, Insightful)

aetherspoon (72997) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147639)

You know, I could have swore I hit submit on this...

Anyways, my LCD rocks. 17" LCD with built in TV tuner for 800 USD... and worth every dime. I live in a dorm room, so my deskspace is at a premium. I'm a computer geek and coder, so the lack of eyestrain is DEFINITLY worth it.

Refresh rate? 80 hz max, although I usually run it at 75 hz.
Resolution? 1280x1024. My biggest sticking point since I have a habit of running monitors at 1600x1200 if they are larger then 17".
Color depth? My god it is beautiful... I can't go back to a CRT because of how it looks.
Power? My UPS lasts a hell of a lot longer now...
The space saved is immense. I can play PS/PS2/Whateverconsoleyouwant games in a picture in picture if I so desired. My LCD rocks.

I just saw a LCD for 350 USD the other day. 17". Wow.

A side note: LCDs are measured in viewable sizes, so that 17" CRT is only really a 15.9" (or whatever) viewable, but that 17" LCD is really a 17" viewable.

Re:LCDs Still Suck. (1)

HoneyBunchesOfGoats (619017) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147655)

The only benefits are power use and desk space...

You have to remember heat also. I have two computers in the same room at home (in Florida), and with both of them going, it can get quite hot in the room, which drives up the electric bill a lot.

why the decimal ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147480)

That should be hexadecimal. 11h and 13h inch. Decimal is evil.

FIRST ANTI-MICHAEL POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147484)

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Re:FIRST ANTI-MICHAEL POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147585)

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Just what the Doctor Ordered. (1)

Derg (557233) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147486)

I think this is a positive move in the right direction for the future of LCD's and other CRT alternatives. If people ever expect the prices to come down and the technologies to advance, they need to have greater market penetration in comparison to the CRT. While it is nice to see LCDs getting pushed by Companies like Dell and Gateway in their mid tier systems, this push by sony, is imho, a necessary and welcome step

*hugs my teeny tiny 17" CRT* my right arm for a high end projector.....

Re:Just what the Doctor Ordered. (1)

ckaminski (82854) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147606)

>*hugs my teeny tiny 17" CRT* my right arm for a high end projector.....

You'll be taking that back when you have to replace the bulb once or twice a year at $500 a pop, or you burn out the LCD (like my roommate's unit)... Very similar in fact to other LCD pixel death. :-) But having a 12 foot diagonal TV to watch Band of Brothers or the matrix or write code definitely has it's upsides... :-)

Now when I could get a 1280x1024 projector for $2K, that's when I can justify $5000 in bulbs over a 10year lifespan.

-Chris

Well (1)

Hott of the World (537284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147493)

I have always wanted to upgrade to a good 19 inch LCD anyway, but Its still about 300 dollars too much for my tastes, and IMHO, the refresh rates still have to catch up.

Guess I'll have to stick with the "quaint" 21 inch for all my games.

PS~ I know my dear old mom would love a 17 inch LCD display!

CRTs are better than LCD (2, Insightful)

soorma_bhopali (643472) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147497)

IMHO they really are, as long as space is not an issue. The contrast, brightness, sharpness seems to be better than LCD. In addition LCD screens have limited viewing angle. I agree LCD screens look cool, consume less electricity and space. But thats not good enuf to completely dump CRTs, esp if they are *cheaper*

Re:CRTs are better than LCD (1)

bob65 (590395) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147546)

The contrast, brightness, sharpness seems to be better than LCD

Contrast yes, brightness, maybe, but I generally think LCDs are much sharper than CRTs. You can't really get much sharper than having each pixel physically defined on the screen.

Re:CRTs are better than LCD (1)

glitch_ (48803) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147588)

Actually, I find quite the opposite.
At work, I have a 17 inch CRT that is quite possibly the worlds worst monitor. I like to run at high resolutions and this thing can barely support 1240 x 768. In contrast, at home I run my Dell Inspiron at 1600 x 1200 and love it. The text is clear, and the contrast I find to be quite good. Also, I find reading text and working on LCDs is far better than working on a CRT. I can't quite pin down what is better about them, but if I had to guess I would probably say that I find the LCD display 'crisper'.
You are not the only person I found with the opinion that CRTs are better, and frankly I find that I'm in the minority. Most people that have them, when asked why the bought them, say that they look cooler and save space. Nobody has any real reason (besides aesthetics) for having them.
To sum it up, I guess I like my LCD better because it seems to "paint" the picture on the screen, while the CRT seems to be trying to burn the image into my retinas.

Re:CRTs are better than LCD (1)

guacamole (24270) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147649)

Viewing angle isn't a problem on reasonably modern LCDs. Also, I'd like to disagree about brightness and sharpness. LCDs look much brighter and sharper and CRTs. They are specially good if you're mostly working with text, which is what people do most of the time on computer related jobs. I think LCDs are great for businesses. The consumers might take a while to catch up though.

Re:CRTs are better than LCD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147671)

I recently switched from a 21-inch CRT to a 21-inch widescreen LCD. The LCD image is much superior to that of the decent-brand (Viewsonic) CRT that it displaced. The LCD is extremely sharp. I had not noticed that the CRT was fuzzy (well, that's not true, every now and then I would notice), but now that I've seen how the LCD-half lives, I never want to go back. Actually I had noticed this already on my laptop, that the display seemed particularly crisp...now I have it on my desktop too.

Viewing angle is no problem at all, for office use, even when I have colleagues around: at arm's length from the screen (hey, look, I have a DESK between my keyboard and the screen!) the color and contrast don't change as long as my head is within about a foot of the normal viewing area (which it always is, if I'm at the keyboard); outside of that there is some color shift (white shifts towards blue), but it's not a problem even for rather large angles, and it's been no problem when I want to show a colleague what I'm working on, or something---nobody has even noticed, I think.

LCDs are inferior for some things: I'm told the difficulty of calibrating colors makes them unsuitable for pre-press work, and the slower screen update makes them non-optimal for games (but hey, plenty of people play games on their laptops). But for the stuff I do at work, the crispness, steadiness, and lack of flicker of the display is just superb.

YMMV, but I'd say the display quality and the extra space are worth $0.50 to $1.00 per hour of use, compared to a similar-sized CRT...plus, you get some energy savings, which may or may not be relevant to you. At that rate, and assuming the display will last at least a few year, anyone who evaluates the pros and cons the way I do, and who works with computers for more than a few hours per workday, should get an LCD display. For using a computer an hour or so per day, especially for game play where the slower screen updating is an issue, it's probably not worth it yet....but at the rate prices are dropping, it will be in a year or two.

Obsolete, again? (0)

Sibshops (304882) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147499)

Oh no!! not only is my cpu obsolete so is my monitor!! Next time i am buying a laptop.

Re:Obsolete, again? (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147625)

Oh no!! not only is my cpu obsolete so is my monitor!! Next time i am buying a laptop.
....so that you do not have to wait so long for it to be obsolete? ;-)

-EE

30% (1)

dynoman7 (188589) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147501)

...lcd's will now make up 100% of the market! (their market)

what!?? (1)

pummer (637413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147504)

Look at the price difference. Sony charges much more for an LCD than a CRT. Obviously they make more money on LCDs than CRTs, so why not take the CRTs right out of the picture?

Easy Fix (4, Funny)

Dolly_Llama (267016) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147505)

Maybe since their patent on Trinitron screens expired, they're not able to command ridiculous margins any more.

Easy solution to this problem: Copywrite Trinitron and lobby Congress to extend your rights for another 50 years.

Re:Easy Fix (1, Funny)

ajakk (29927) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147640)

Or they could just traidmarc it.

Rob Fuckin' Hates Me (0, Offtopic)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147510)

by Amsterdam Vallon - Slashdot debut - 2003/01/23

Met a guy, thought he was grand
Liked his site, but found out first hand
Slashdot ain't for the trollin' kind
Next few weeks, it would all unwind

In a troll trap I can't grip
Never thought I'd be the one who'd slip
Then I started to realize
I was living one big lie

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And he mod-bombed my posts until I had none
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But after an FP, shit got sour
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No sign of guilt
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Never thought I'd be the one who'd slip
Then I started to realize
I was living one big lie

Rob fuckin' hates me
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I tried too hard
And he mod-bombed my posts until I had none
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As you see
Learned my lesson
And so did he
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And I'm glad
Cause I'm a fool
For all I've said

Rob fuckin' hates me
Yup
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And he mod-bombed my posts until I had none
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Rob fuckin' hates me

by Amsterdam Vallon - Slashdot debut - 2003/01/23by Amsterdam Vallon - Slashdot debut - 2003/01/23by Amsterdam Vallon - Slashdot debut - 2003/01/23by Amsterdam Vallon - Slashdot debut - 2003/01/23

Re:Rob Fuckin' Hates Me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147638)

hehehe... that song was getting old on the radio. been out forever (but not on radio). nice new lyrics.

why aren't you doing your work?

Dropping CRTs may make sense (kinda) (4, Insightful)

kruetz (642175) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147511)

Okay, I'm not gonna buy an LCD screen anytime soon and neither is anyone else I know (but I would like one). But consider companies that require large monitors - they DO exist. For example, petroleum and minerals companies need their employees to inspect large amounts of geographical data as quickly as possible. Quite often they have many 19" to 21" monitors, and one or two 25"+ beasts.

Now, if they're going to have all of these huge monitors, they may still want to be able to use their desks. So LCD screens that take up a small fraction of the desk would be a great improvement upon CRTs. And besides, the trend in screen sizes has always been "bigger IS better". So perhaps Sony is going to restrict itself to the upper-end of the monitor market.

But let's face it, Sony can afford to do this. They have the PS2, MiniDisc, a reputation as a maker of top-quality stereo equipment ... I don't think they'd be too worried about losing CRT sales. And CRT sales are declining - it's not a growth market. In fact, in five years time you may not be able to buy brand-new CRTs any more. Why would you want to hang around in such a market?

And if they get an early start on LCD monitors, they may end up in a similar situation ten years down the track to what they had with the Flatron. They may corner the market with some technological gimmick just like before. At least this way, they're giving themselves every chance.

Re:Dropping CRTs may make sense (kinda) (2, Informative)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147545)

a reputation as a maker of top-quality stereo equipmen

where did you hear this one?!! Sony makes bottom of the barrel audio equipment, both at home garbage and mobile trash. It is sold to the lowest common denominator who is more interested in the 300 watt rating than anything else.

Re:Dropping CRTs may make sense (kinda) (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147669)

Hehe, so right [google.com] .

At least there's truth in advertising [xplodsony.com] , though!

Maybe it's just me, but I've never met a four letter manufacturer I've liked yet: Sony, Yorx, Bose, Nike.

Re:Dropping CRTs may make sense (kinda) (1)

Exiler (589908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147653)

Wow, for oil tycoons they're flirking stupid then. I have a 35 foot 'monitor' and it only cost me a few hundred bucks, much less than several LCDs. Projectors and sheets = god

Hold on (1)

MyPantsAreOnFire! (642687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147513)

Isn't the big price quagmire with LCD's still the liquid crystal? Isn't that why they're so expensive?

Can a major player like Sony suddenly start producing tons of these things with limited production resources?

I doubt that this will have a major effect on the monitor market, aside from Sony giving up market share. The major purchasers of monitors are businesses, and businesses have a choice between a $250 17" flatscreen CRT and a $500 17" LCD. I know which one my business would pick.

SECOND ANTI-MICHAEL POST! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147514)

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MICHAEL! The most despised Slashdot editor! You are a goddamn, motherfucking, shit-snorting, baby-raping, piece of ass hypocrite! I want you to fucking commit suicide! Do us all a favor!

Testing out your new friend-whore Slashkode patch this morning, eh? You want people to befriend you? Then how about you become a good editor for once! You goddamn fucker, the only way you can get your friend list to above zero is to force people on it if they want to comment! You FUCKER! How fucking lame is that? Just admit the fact that you are a rampant homosexual and you want attention! Just come out and admit you'd prefer to suck anonymous cock rather than spend another minute alone dealing with your pathetic existance!

I'd love to see some random slashbot punch you in what you would call a nutsack because of your faggotry! Holy shit, you fag, can you suck any more? If you could suck cock like you suck on this website, you'd be a homosexual LEGEND! Millions of fags would line up at your doorstep to be vacu-whored by your divine, cock-trained tongue! You'd never have to eat again, what with all that manjizz occupying your stomach! Free "food", the attention you crave, and sexual satisfaction is all within your faggoty grasp, if only you'd just post a story on Fagdot indicating your true preference!

In conclusion, michael, code slashkode all you want, but we all know what you are really after: Hot, gay, underage, pulse-pounding cocks spewing GNU/jizz down your pro-censorship throat! Quit wanking to pics of Richard Stallman and just come out! We all want you to!!!

ALSO, COMMIT SUICIDE, YOU GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

good riddance... (1)

z-kungfu (255628) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147515)

..I'm tired of the oversized,desk wasting, heat producing beasts. I would much rather have a LCD display, especially if it's a good one with DVI input. Has anyone tried moving a 19" CRT latley. I quit taking CRT's to LAN parties and take my 15" (viewable) LCD instead.

Re:good riddance... (1)

jeepee (607566) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147668)

Take a good care in transport or you'll see that those dead pixels come really fast

Small is relative. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147517)

(Mine's not as big as theirs, it would seem.)

desktop = 15" crt
tv = 13" lcd
laptop = 11" crt

And the best part? I wouldn't replace my small screens for anything. Anything bigger is just to ... bulky.

Encryptiong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147518)

Let's face it. Sony really just wants to encrypt all the data going to your monitor.

expensive though (1)

pakolorin83 (627943) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147519)

is there really more of a market for a $900 LCD than a $150 LCD?

Conspiracy theories (3, Insightful)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147524)

I doubt any conspiracy theories are in order. It is more likely that sales of lower-end CRTs are dropping to the point where there's no point in making the effort.

I doubt that the big CRTs are going anywhere, at least until LCDs get cheap.

Remember that Sony can't "force" you to buy a higher price LCD as you can always buy another brand. The fact that there taking the smaller ones of the market means that they feel that they won't lose very many customers.

I wouldn't live without by 22" CRT (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147533)

100 columns of 1cm high text is just dandy

19" what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147538)

Given your reputation, it seems the Sony monitors you have are not the only 19" things you like to keep your eyes on, right?

THIRD ANTI-MICHAEL POST! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147541)

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MICHAEL! The most despised Slashdot editor! You are a goddamn, motherfucking, shit-snorting, baby-raping, piece of ass hypocrite! I want you to fucking commit suicide! Do us all a favor!

Testing out your new friend-whore Slashkode patch this morning, eh? You want people to befriend you? Then how about you become a good editor for once! You goddamn fucker, the only way you can get your friend list to above zero is to force people on it if they want to comment! You FUCKER! How fucking lame is that? Just admit the fact that you are a rampant homosexual and you want attention! Just come out and admit you'd prefer to suck anonymous cock rather than spend another minute alone dealing with your pathetic existance!

I'd love to see some random slashbot punch you in what you would call a nutsack because of your faggotry! Holy shit, you fag, can you suck any more? If you could suck cock like you suck on this website, you'd be a homosexual LEGEND! Millions of fags would line up at your doorstep to be vacu-whored by your divine, cock-trained tongue! You'd never have to eat again, what with all that manjizz occupying your stomach! Free "food", the attention you crave, and sexual satisfaction is all within your faggoty grasp, if only you'd just post a story on Fagdot indicating your true preference!

In conclusion, michael, code slashkode all you want, but we all know what you are really after: Hot, gay, underage, pulse-pounding cocks spewing GNU/jizz down your pro-censorship throat! Quit wanking to pics of Richard Stallman and just come out! We all want you to!!!

ALSO, COMMIT SUICIDE, YOU GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!

What a pussy! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147617)

What a fucking pussy you are you Anonymous gay-ascii porn poster! If you had and balls you would have posted under your slashdot username.

While slashdot is kinda losing a little quality these days, its damn better than you could do. Besides its free. So quit your bitching.

Tell your mom to stop cuping your balls and post like a real man. Sack up you baby!

Re:What a pussy! (1)

wayne530 (595561) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147674)

If you had and balls you would have posted under your slashdot username. so says the anonymous coward.

Why the lack of high resolution LCDs? (1)

Radagast (2416) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147544)

So, I've been wondering for a while about this. I love LCDs, but I'm one of those people who likes to have all the fonts tiny, to squeeze as much space as possible out of the desktop.

Now, I can buy a cheap laptop with a 15 inch, 1400x1050 screen, like the one I'm typing on now, for less than 1200 dollars. But I can't seem to find an LCD monitor with the same specs at all, and anything that gets even close (1280x1024 or above) is ridiculously expensive.

What's the deal? I'm assuming the LCD on this laptop doesn't represent more than 50% of the retail price. So why can't I get a 15", 1400x1050 LCD monitor for 600 dollars or so? IS THERE A CONSPIRACY HERE?

Re:Why the lack of high resolution LCDs? (1)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147652)

I've wondered about this too. Someone fill us in!

Why LCDs are not quite there.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147548)

You can't use lower resolutions properly (at least not on the ones I've seen).

I know of people using really low resolutions (such as 800 by 600) on 17.4 inch LCDs. The fonts look like crap at that resolution and if you use the native resolution they cry "the fonts are too small".

Okay, these people need get their eyes tested but convincing them to use a higher resolution is near impossible.

The old CRT will in contrast cheerfully do this crasy low resolutions.

Stopping the 19"? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147549)

I just bought a 19" Sony E440 like 4 days ago. And while it was more expensive than the other 30 monitors sitting next to it on display, I could easily tell the difference in the vividness of color, and the sharpness of the resolution between the Sony and the other makes. And if your a computer nerd who spends all day infront of a computer, and only wants 1 monitor, wouldn't you likely get the nicest one out there?

Why stop producing these Sony? There are plenty of people out there who will pay the "premium" for the superior picture. Or am I the only one?!

I'm not sure about _all_ CRTs (3, Informative)

Gyan (6853) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147553)

For prepress and color-sensitive work, I would still want CRTs. Maybe 2-3 years down the line would sound OK, not now.

FOURTH ANTI-MICHAEL POST!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147558)

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MICHAEL! The most despised Slashdot editor! You are a goddamn, motherfucking, shit-snorting, baby-raping, piece of ass hypocrite! I want you to fucking commit suicide! Do us all a favor!

Testing out your new friend-whore Slashkode patch this morning, eh? You want people to befriend you? Then how about you become a good editor for once! You goddamn fucker, the only way you can get your friend list to above zero is to force people on it if they want to comment! You FUCKER! How fucking lame is that? Just admit the fact that you are a rampant homosexual and you want attention! Just come out and admit you'd prefer to suck anonymous cock rather than spend another minute alone dealing with your pathetic existance!

I'd love to see some random slashbot punch you in what you would call a nutsack because of your faggotry! Holy shit, you fag, can you suck any more? If you could suck cock like you suck on this website, you'd be a homosexual LEGEND! Millions of fags would line up at your doorstep to be vacu-whored by your divine, cock-trained tongue! You'd never have to eat again, what with all that manjizz occupying your stomach! Free "food", the attention you crave, and sexual satisfaction is all within your faggoty grasp, if only you'd just post a story on Fagdot indicating your true preference!

In conclusion, michael, code slashkode all you want, but we all know what you are really after: Hot, gay, underage, pulse-pounding cocks spewing GNU/jizz down your pro-censorship throat! Quit wanking to pics of Richard Stallman and just come out! We all want you to!!!

ALSO, COMMIT SUICIDE, YOU GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!

pros and cons of LCDs (5, Insightful)

PhantomHarlock (189617) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147570)

As a photographer and digital effects artist, I can't do anything mission critical on an LCD screen. The gamma is all wrong and it changes depending on your viewing angle. It's also very harsh on photographs, in terms of contrast and edges.

However, I prefer LCD screens for reading text. The square pixels and sharp edges lend themselves to that sort of purpose.

The interesting thing is that eventually everyone at home will be looking at my photos online with LCDs anyway, so it can't be ignored.

I just hope that as an artist I'll still be able to get CRT screens until LCD's have advanced to a point where they are acceptable, or DLP or other promising technology has taken over. I personally swear by the Sony 21" FD trinitron. We still use CRT's for everything in the effects industry, however I have seen the (very nice! IMHO) 22" Apple cinema LCD displays being used at a print studio facility in San Francisco that was producing the Macy's christmas catalog while I was visting. I asked them about the color and gamma shifting issue and he said "Yea, we just have to make sure and look at them dead center, and then it's okay." And in the final checking room, there were computers with CRTs and hoods on the monitors for fine tuning anyhow.

For now, my ultimate dream monitor is still the Sony FW-900 [sonystyle.com] 24" widescreen CRT display, and it's down to about $2k now.

--Mike

FUCK YOU, MICHAEL!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147573)

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MICHAEL! The most despised Slashdot editor! You are a goddamn, motherfucking, shit-snorting, baby-raping, piece of ass hypocrite! I want you to fucking commit suicide! Do us all a favor!

Testing out your new friend-whore Slashkode patch this morning, eh? You want people to befriend you? Then how about you become a good editor for once! You goddamn fucker, the only way you can get your friend list to above zero is to force people on it if they want to comment! You FUCKER! How fucking lame is that? Just admit the fact that you are a rampant homosexual and you want attention! Just come out and admit you'd prefer to suck anonymous cock rather than spend another minute alone dealing with your pathetic existance!

I'd love to see some random slashbot punch you in what you would call a nutsack because of your faggotry! Holy shit, you fag, can you suck any more? If you could suck cock like you suck on this website, you'd be a homosexual LEGEND! Millions of fags would line up at your doorstep to be vacu-whored by your divine, cock-trained tongue! You'd never have to eat again, what with all that manjizz occupying your stomach! Free "food", the attention you crave, and sexual satisfaction is all within your faggoty grasp, if only you'd just post a story on Fagdot indicating your true preference!

In conclusion, michael, code slashkode all you want, but we all know what you are really after: Hot, gay, underage, pulse-pounding cocks spewing GNU/jizz down your pro-censorship throat! Quit wanking to pics of Richard Stallman and just come out! We all want you to!!!

ALSO, COMMIT SUICIDE, YOU GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKER!!!!11!!

Re:FUCK YOU, MICHAEL!!! (-1, Flamebait)

milkid7 (601453) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147631)

I'm actually glad my monitor is smaller than 17" because of this post... it hurts my eyes...

Mod this one up +1 (0, Offtopic)

Feral Bueller (615138) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147664)

Funny.

Unfortunate... (1)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147575)

There is not a single LCD that can come even close to a CRT in picture quality, resolution, and, most especially, contrast and black levels, if you compare them dollar to dollar.

Unless your space costs $300/sq ft, or your electricity costs something ungodly, or you must have the very best of everything at any cost, I don't see why you would want an LCD.

Well, that's assuming you're going to put it on a desktop system.

But it doesn't surprise me that Sony is going to make another boneheaded move. Tell me again why it is that MD is all but dead in North America?

Linear Pricing scale.. (1)

stephenisu (580105) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147582)

Most CRT's double in price in two inch increments. Now I understand that because it becomes difficult to make a larger vacuum tube as volume increases. The same thing does not apply to LCD's in terms of production costs. However, since the standard price scale works that way, Sony will make a killing on their 17-19 inch lcds. Thats my theory as to why they are killing of CRT's.

I hate big monitors (3, Interesting)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147591)

They're obviously stuck in a hopeless cycle of groupthink here.... thinking that big==good. This, of course, is hogwash. I have a 17" monitor sitting on my desk and it's perfect. I have a 21" Viewsonic Pro monitor sitting in the corner of my room holding up a bunch of boxes.

But EmagGeek! Why not use the 21"!?

Because it's so damn deep, I can't put my input devices in front of it! I just happened to be at that stupid trendy (but cheap) quasi-swedish furniture store today measuring up desks. The standard depth was 28", on almost every single desk. That ViewSonic monitor I mentioned is 24" deep including cable relief - so unless I can find a 4" keyboard, I'm screwed..

Of course, chiming in with all the "conspiracy theories" that this thread seems to have spawned, I could conjecture that monitor manufacturers have teamed up with computer desk manufacturers so that no desk can accomodate the smallest CRT, forcing people to LCDs... :)

Advice for the dorm-dwellers (0)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147593)

And please listen to this.

Between Fall Breaks, Thanksgiving Breaks, Winter Breaks, Spring Breaks, and all the other comings and goings to and from your college, you really should invest in a nice LCD monitor rather than lugging a 17 or 19 inch monster CRT down stairs, into cars, worrying about it tipping over in the car, carrying it into your house at home when you get there, etc.

Between $300 for a really nice 19" CRT and $1,000 for a really nice big LCD monitor, that extra $700, if you have it, will really make you happy in the long run.

Re:Advice for the dorm-dwellers (1)

user32.ExitWindowsEx (250475) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147645)

Show me a sub-$3000 LCD that does 2048*1536. /me likes his SGI GDM-4011P.

Cheaper option: Do some weight training (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147665)

Do some weights and then haul those monitors around.

Or buy a trolley. Keep the original packaging material.

Spend the $700 on beer ;)

Aww! (5, Funny)

SteakandcheeseUm (191173) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147598)

Now I won't be able to have a CRT display device double as a heater for my room. shucks!

it finally happened. (1)

ayeco (301053) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147616)

I was waiting for this. next larger crt's will no longer be made. soon i bet.

plasma and lcd and maybe someday oled will take over.

LCDs (2, Interesting)

jeepee (607566) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147623)

Another thing that comes to my mind in CRTs vs LCDs is that it almost impossible to find cheap lcds whatever the size, that can do 1600*1200 or over i prefer to have a 17in crt that can do 1600*1200 (ok its a little har to read :-) ). than a 19in or 21in LCD that can do not more than 1024*768 or 1280*xxx after all My ** real desk space ** its those pixels !!!!

17" is plenty big. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5147644)

I've got 17" monitors at work (3 of them) and a 17" at home. Not much point in getting anything bigger for what I do.

What I _really_ want is a 3840x1024 LCD display. Wide, wide, wide. Reference on the left, code in the middle, debug on the right. I'm probably going to get cancer from having three CRTs blasting at me all day.

Lines (2)

FrancisR (640455) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147651)

I hate Trinitrons. Those lines thru the middle of the screen can really get annoying, like a dead pixel on an LCD screen.

A good idea (2, Interesting)

Gyorg_Lavode (520114) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147658)

This is probably a good idea. It will let Sony focus on what will be the governing technology. Assuming they are able to use a signifigant amount of money from their CRT development and production to improve their LCD development and production.

That said, I don't buy LCDs except for space and computers I don't use alot. My 3 main monitors are CRTs. First, I run at 1920x1440 and 1600x1200 on my 2 main computers. To get a LCD that does that is well beyond my budget. Second, I play games, I like bright images, and clear colors. LCD's are great for places like entertainment centers where you don't want a clunky CRT viing for affection with the TV, but for something you need to look at for hours a day, a CRT is the way to go.

I do hope though, that in the future very high quality LCDs will be available at more reasonable prices. When I bought my first CRT, it did 1024x768 and cost more than my Diamontron 17in monitor that does 1600x1200 and is perfect flat. (I'm young. the monitors bought before the 1024x768 ones were purchased by the parents.) It seems like LCDs are at that exact point. The very cheap ones are 1024x768 and crappy quality. But hopefully the same way I can now get a nice monitor for that price, hopefully the same amount of time in the future the CRTs will be that good.

Back in the old days... (5, Interesting)

jmichaelg (148257) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147662)

...when color television was just getting going, my best friend's dad worked as a machinist at the Berkeley Rad Lab. That was the lab that E.O. Lawrence had started just before WWII. One day in the very early 60's a group of physicists invited him to be the group's machinist and moonlight on a project. They were going to build a new color TV tube that was going to beat every other TV then on the market. They figured that since they had worked on particle accelerators for years, they really ought to know a thing or two about TV tubes which are nothing more but scaled down electron accelerators.

They worked nights and weekends on the project and when they finally had something to show, they schlepped the tube around to Motorola, Zenith, Sylvania, GE and one other American Television company. They chose those 5 companies because, combined, the companies dominiated the world television industry. None of the companies was interested. Discouraged, the group sold the rights to the tube to a European outfit. The Europeans gave the tube up as a lost cause because it was too hard to manufacture so the Europeans dumped it on a small Japanese electronics company. The company was Sony and that's how Sony ended up with the Trinitron. The name Trini - meant three for the three color guns and Tron, well because everything being built at Berkeley back then was a "-tron" - Calutron, Bevatron.

Perhaps /.'ers aren't the main market :-) (1)

cmkeane (240429) | more than 11 years ago | (#5147676)

I think the discussion here is funny and doesn't necessarily reflect a lot of business's monitor buying tendancy. The org I work for (a non-profit, mind you) now will ONLY buy LCDs when a CRT needs to be replaced. We have some large rooms with lots of desks, and we calculated that it is only an 18-month ROI with electrical savings using LCDs (got to count the cost of A/C in that too.) Also, I think some folks need to exercise some of the more recent LCD's -- refresh is excellent, clarity extraordinary - like the Mitsubishi NX85 I am using right now. Granted, some of the older and bottom-of-the-line LCD's still have a lot to desire....
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