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LinuxWorld Report, Day 2

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the less-swag-than-prior-years dept.

Linux Business 147

greechneb writes "Roblimo is reporting again on LWCE's second day. Check out his reports on break dancers, hp, suse, gentoo, linux on laptops, and most important, free booze." See yesterday's story if you missed it. Some other LWCE notes: United Linux is sucking in more partners, and even Microsoft won one of the show awards. And yes, Robin is going around asking the interview questions. :)

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MS? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153210)

what's MS doing at a linux event? *gasp*

It's their new strategy (5, Interesting)

core plexus (599119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153342)

As I wrote yesterday M$ new strategy? [slashdot.org] , it's their new strategy. And today I read this:

Why Microsoft was right about Linux [com.com]

" Linux on Intel-based computers is now likely to become the dominant platform in corporate data centers, according to a recent report from investment bank Goldman Sachs. That puts even more pressure on Microsoft to persuade Unix users to stick with its Windows operating system on Intel systems rather than move to Linux. (That's no easy feat these days.) Indeed, if it fails to stop the groundswell, Microsoft may be forced to radically rethink its strategy as none of the company's server platform products now run on Linux. One scenario offered by analysts at First Boston has Microsoft switching gears and supporting Linux on key subsystems like Exchange and SQL Server and the .Net framework. And then there's the IBM factor to consider." Not much new there, but some details in the article ARE new and interesting.

Computerized text bullying opening new chapter in student harassment [xnewswire.com] Weird News

A better strategy...NINNLE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153368)

I think maybe what Microsoft needs to do is to buy up a company or two that puts out whatever distribution. Perhaps the first one they should snatch up should be Ninnle Linux.

When will KDE3.1 be released, please? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153482)

If there is to be further delay, would someone post a message somewhere, say, www.kde.org, or dot.kde.org, or lists.kde.org, or...?

I'm not angry, I would just like to have further information. It seemed like the release was going to be last weekend and the lack of information is distressing.

MS wins at Linux? (5, Funny)

Blaine Hilton (626259) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153211)

That must be a large typo. Did MS really win at a "linux" conference? should be: "Most damaging company"

Re:MS wins at Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153237)

they won for Services for Unix 3.0

since im sure im not the only one surprissed, can somebody explain what Services for Unix 3.0 is, and why its so great?

Re:MS wins at Linux? (2, Interesting)

hawkbug (94280) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153255)

For those us that don't know what services for unix 3.0 is, could you enlighten us? I'm now very curious what type of product M$ has produced that works with, or on unix.

Re:MS wins at Linux? (4, Interesting)

slutdot (207042) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153423)

It's basically tools that allow a Windows server to access UNIX servers or vice versa. It contains a Telnet server, an NFS client and server, better support for lpr printing and so on.

We had it installed on one of our servers in order to talk to an AIX box via NFS. We got rid of it in favor of Hummingbird's product.

Re:MS wins at Linux? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153256)

It's really just Interix 3, which is basically Cygwin (Cygwin developed with MS' help and with a pricetag of about $120).

IT PUTS A C SHELL ON MY WORKSTATION!!! WHOOO! ROOFTLES?

Re:MS wins at Linux? (2, Interesting)

Suicyco (88284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153265)

Yeah they won the Open Source Excellence award for Best System Ingegration Software (Services for Unix 3.0)

I didn't know SFU was Open Source. I dont think it is as a matter of fact. Plus it sucks. Hmmm..

Re:MS wins at Linux? (5, Funny)

asparagus (29121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153296)

All true. However, I think it's in our best interests to promote this anyway.

"All Hail Microsoft, winner of the Open Source Excellence Award!"

"You guys are into open-source?"

"Um...not exac..."

"All Hail Microsoft, winner of the Open Source Excellence Award!"

"Three cheers for Open Source!"

Clever Mod Parrent up (1)

bstadil (7110) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153413)

Excellent idea,

Now we need a CNet / EWeek story with said headline.

Re:MS wins at Linux? (4, Funny)

Suicyco (88284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153658)

Yeah actually thats a pretty good idea because its a total slap in the face to their anti-gpl FUD. Winning an open source award... I think I just heard ESR's heart explode...

Re:MS wins at Linux? (4, Insightful)

bmajik (96670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153918)

what sucks about it ? I've used SFU 2.2, 3.0 beta, and 3.0 release. I love it. For putting a useful commandline environment on a w2k/xp box, nothing else comes close.

Re:MS wins at Linux? (5, Informative)

Frater 219 (1455) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153303)

From the Product Overview [microsoft.com] for Microsoft Services for Unix 3.0:

Windows Services for UNIX 3.0 also includes more than 300 UNIX utilities and tools that behave exactly as they would on UNIX systems, plus a software development kit (SDK) that supports over 1900 UNIX APIs and migration tools such as make, rcs, yacc, lex, cc, c89, nm, strip, gbd, as well as the gcc, g++, and g77 compilers.

Yes, that means that Microsoft distributes GNU software, and indeed in so doing complies with the GPL by passing along the source.

Re:MS wins at Linux? (4, Funny)

sulli (195030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153358)

Which of course leads to the best URL ever [microsoft.com] .

Re:MS wins at Linux? (5, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153493)

In accordance with section 3b of this license the source code to those
utilities is available from the Interix World Wide Web site,
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu.

Something tells me think that the 'T' key was broken in redmond when they added that URL.

$20 for source? (1)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5154035)

The windows/sfu URL links to this site [interopsystems.com] with a link labeled "GPL Source" or something like that.

Well, the Interop Store will sell you a CD containing the source code... for $20!

First, props to MS for putting the source code out there, available even to those who have not purchased the binary software.

But second, $20? This seems to fail section 3b of the GPL:
... for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange ...

$20 is pretty high for the cost of physically performing source distribution, isn't it? Unless when you buy the "regular" version of the software and it comes with the source code on the CD, of which there is no mention that I can see... this seems pretty fishy to me.

Re:MS wins at Linux? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153399)

Does this mean we have to call it GNU/Windows?

OH NO!!! (1)

TheConfusedOne (442158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153506)

Now we're going to have to read the GNU/Windows diatribes. :-}

Lame joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153950)

I've already moderated here, so I have to post this as an AC:


Windows Services for UNIX 3.0 also includes more than 300 UNIX utilities and tools that behave exactly as they would on UNIX systems...


But what we REALLY want to know is...


...can you make a beowulf cluster of these?


Imagine that!

Re:MS wins at Linux? (1)

vsprintf (579676) | more than 11 years ago | (#5154214)

Fantastic! I can finally grep a directory full of five different versions of MS Word documents for a phrase. Or maybe not?

Re:MS wins at Linux? (1)

bobKali (240342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153360)

Hmmmm, Best System Integration Software must have only had one entry in order for SFU to win that one. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that include the MKS toolkit? What a worthless pain in my behind that is. Got a not-quite Korn compatible shell, a gui cron-ish scheduler, and a gui vi. I dunno why you'd want to pay for a half-working unixish environment when you can get Cygwin for free (and it even works they way you'd expect it to!)

Re:MS wins at Linux? (5, Funny)

Dr. Photo (640363) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153394)

"Best reason to switch to Linux" ;-)

Re:MS wins at Linux? (1)

seniorcoder (586717) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153436)

I'll use an MS Unix product when hell freezes over.

Newsflash:
Dog pee glaciers seen all over Manhattan streets.

Sign me up for IIS on Linux then (sigh).

Re:MS wins at Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5154152)

Whose basement is hosting the event this year?

Doh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153212)

Frist Belch

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153220)

fp!

Brown humor (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153247)

This story lacks a Turd Report.

My only peeve about linux on laptops. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153253)

Is that linux seems to lack the abillity of supporting a usb mouse and a touchpad at the same time. USB mice are fine, yet I can't get the touch pad working. Windows copes fine with it.

Re:My only peeve about linux on laptops. (-1, Offtopic)

mir (106753) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153359)

Funny, I am typing this answer on an Asus Laptop running Mandrake 9.0, that supports both the touchpad and a logitech cordless mouse..

Here is the relevant part of my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4:

Section "InputDevice"
Driver "mouse"
Identifier "mouse0"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "ps/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
Option "SendCoreEvents" "on"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Driver "mouse"
Identifier "mouse1"
Option "ButtonNumber" "5"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Name" "AutoDetected"
Option "Protocol" "imps/2"
Option "Vendor" "AutoDetected"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "off"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "SendCoreEvents" "on"
EndSection

# later...
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "layout1"
Screen "screen1"
inputDevice "mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "mouse1" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

w00t (5, Funny)

xao gypsie (641755) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153254)

free booze and break dancers?!?!? i guess that beats balmer dancing around like an idiot for 5 minutes. yet more proof that linux is cooler than M$.

xao

well... (1)

danro (544913) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153479)

First: I like *nix and everything GNU and I mostly dislike MS.

But let me tell you something, if there is something proprietory software mongers do well, that is sucking up to developers and customers with free booze.
I mean, it's not like '99 any more, but last year i had free drinks from both MS, SUN and a few of MS partners.
Kind of slimy way to buy goodwill if you ask me, but hey! Free booze, it's not like you say no to that!

Re:well... (5, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153551)

"Q: How do you get free drinks out of a Vogosoft sales rep?"

"A: Stick your finger down his throat."



Unfortunately, this is backwards, GNU == Dentrassi

In other news... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153261)

Stay tuned for days 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 AND 10!

All here soon!

heh (1, Funny)

pizza_milkshake (580452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153266)

I believe it was "Best Monopoly"

LinuxWorld (2, Funny)

LinuxCumShot (582742) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153267)

bah -- i'm going to Porndex!

Re:LinuxWorld (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153304)

Save the kittens!

Re:LinuxWorld (3, Informative)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153695)

Uh, it's called Adultdex. And yes, it is many, many times more fun than *any* computer conference.

I'm there! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153269)

Lap dancers and free booze? I'm there! ...Huh? Break dancers? Oh, never mind.

Re:I'm there! (3, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153460)

Dont worry. Robin assures us the young pierced boy was the "hottest thing at the show".

Now all the ladies will show up next year.

"when hippie-hacker college students showed up at LinuxWorld like mad, and some of them ended up crashing in my room because they had no other place to sleep. "

Heh heh, the old "You can crash here, you want another beer? Why dont you change out of those wet clothes"

Wait, what do you mean, "Robin is a guy"?!

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This is how Linux infiltrates the corporate world. (4, Insightful)

Dr Caleb (121505) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153294)

I thought this was a great quote:
"Idealistic? Sure. No big mental change, just a job at a company with a dress code. And not just a job, but now a management job, one with purchasing authority.

This is how Linux infiltrates the corporate world.

[snip]and were disappointed that Linuxworld was so corporate and offered so little in the way of schwag for kids like them.

Don't worry, guys. In just a few years you won't be complaining about all the business people at the local Linux show. You'll be those business people.

If people want to influence the way business makes decisions, become the person making the descisions.

That may be the key to getting Linux adopted in more places.

Re:This is how Linux infiltrates the corporate wor (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153363)

I go there for free t-shirts. What's your point?

ob guru bashing: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153564)

And I bet you were still wearing the free shirt you got last year, never been washed.

Re:This is how Linux infiltrates the corporate wor (1)

MrResistor (120588) | more than 11 years ago | (#5154037)

If people want to influence the way business makes decisions, become the person making the descisions.

I think that's the key to affecting any kind of change. You can't change the system from the outside. The trick, of course, is getting inside with your morals intact...

SCO Involved with UnitedLinux? (4, Interesting)

zmalone (542264) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153295)

The article on UnitedLinux's new partners has a number of interesting tidbits. First of all, I was completly unaware that SCO was such a major contendor in the group, has anyone thought about how this fits into their supposed lawsuits against Linux vendors? If they are really intending to sue, it could be a way to harm Redhat, and the other non-UnitedLinux distributions.

As for the new partners mentioned in the article, none of them seem that major. All that UnitedLinux seems to get out of it is the ability to use a name, and all the companies (HP, Intel, IBM, and AMD) get out of it is prerelease code.

Re:SCO Involved with UnitedLinux? (2, Informative)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153676)

SCO is one of the founding members of United Linux. If you needed a good reason to avoid United Linux I think thats it.


Of course you should take my comment with a grain of salt as I really can't stand SCO, thier business practices, or most of thier products.

Re:SCO Involved with UnitedLinux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153836)

To top it off, unitedlinux isn't even all that united. Unitedlinux seems like "let's get all the distros that aren't doing well and make it into one big distro". I mean Connectiva, SCO, Turbolinux, and Suse? Except for Suse what a motley crew! Even Suse with their 99% free 1% proprietary distro should know better.
Oh well, let's hope they just go away quietly. We have LSB, we don't need this.

I like Gnome, I like KDE, they're both good. If you can't get that through your head go shit yourself. :)

Conference Turnout (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153298)

I've noticed that the turnouts having dipped a bit over the past year have now got back to a relatively healthy level.

Let's face it though, it's all still a bun fight - how much real business is done through these shows that's not prearranged?

Re:Conference Turnout (1)

mlrtime (520968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153655)

The purpose is not to sell. I asked the major vendors pricing on their blade systems (IBM,Dell,HP) The all commented that I need to contact my sales rep. They are there to show off products only.

The smaller guys are selling items, but this is small.

MS Won an award?? (-1, Troll)

Jedi1USA (145452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153306)

I was going to make a comment about it must be like the "Special Olympics" where everyones a winner, but that seem too much like a slam to the other winners.

Troll?!? (0, Offtopic)

Jedi1USA (145452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153838)

Ouch! I guess that's what I get for making a joke.

Next time I'll remember to put a ;^) at the end.

Microsoft win (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153309)

for services for UNIX.

Sounds like they've started to take us seriously. Now the cry is, "If you use Linux servers you should use Windows desktops!" and, "If you use Linux desktops you should use Windows servers!" and, "You can easily migrate from Linux to Windows!"

I wonder how successful they will be. I always saw Linux and Microsft as allies in the war against overpriced UNIX system vendors like Sun and SGI. Interesting to see what will happen now that they are fighting each other.

Re:Microsoft win (4, Interesting)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153905)

Sounds like they've started to take us seriously

I've read a good explanation for what they are doing. Gates is no dummy. In fact, he's one of the brightest businessmen around. He has first hand experience how rapidly technology can change, and is very aware that almost of Microsoft is built on technology that didn't even exist 10 years before Microsoft started.

He is quite aware that things will continue to change, and everything that is important to Microsoft now might be just a small technology niche in ten years, and he has no intention of letting Microsoft go the way of, say, Data General or Digital. That's why Microsoft is trying to get involved in pretty much everything they can involving computers--cell phones, game consoles, PDAs, entertainment centers, servers, embedded systems, online services, streaming media. The only way to be sure that they remain successful is to try to get in early in everything.

In other words, Microsoft intends to be the next Microsoft.

Re:Microsoft win (1)

cactopus (166601) | more than 11 years ago | (#5154076)

Gates is no dummy, but he's not a bright businessman either... he's a really bright crook and an extremely unethical businessman. There is quite a difference there.

Really bright crooks commit crimes of ethics that are totally legal by the letter of the law (although not always: read anti-trust)

Re:Microsoft win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153922)

just because the price tag is huge, it doesn't mean you pay extra

where's the booze (1, Insightful)

CakerX (149266) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153311)

someone mention free booze, I didn't see any!

From the article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153320)

The hottest thing I've seen at this show so far is a guy with six piercings

I always knew something was funny about the slashdot crew (that's current & former members).

Gentoo had a "donations" jar (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153321)

hahahahahahahahhaahhahhahaahahahahaha

hee hee heee hee hoo haa ahaa hahhaahahha

guffaw haw hardy har har

yeah linux is taking over any day now

hey buddy can you spare a dime?

why dont they squeegee windows?

hahahaha

How did he know...? (4, Funny)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153335)

The hottest thing I've seen at this show so far is a guy with six piercings jumping up and down on a Dance Dance Revolution device hooked to a Linux computer

How did Roblimo know that the guy had six piercings? Was he completely naked? Perhaps that should have said 'six visible piercings'.

HH

Microsoft wins (4, Insightful)

intermodal (534361) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153340)

As much as I hate to say it, I'd say thats fair. what were the competition? I don't know. It probably consisted of dos2unix text file converter, Samba, and maybe something else or so. WINE sure doesn't cut that mustard. so I guess I've got to say, this shows that the judges had level heads and didn't discriminate.

Regardles, Viva Linux!

Re:Microsoft wins (4, Insightful)

bongoras (632709) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153610)

you don't think samba is better? Samba is a revolutionary. I'm not sure Samba was part of the competition... Be that what it may, Samba is one of the most important open-source tools in the world, if you are are serious about Linux suceeding in the enterprise. Sure, it's not sexy, glamorous, or fun. The protocols all suck. No one likes SMB. But because of Samba, I can say to my boss ( who is a Microsoft minion all the way ), " I can save you $500 here by using Linux to share out that printer," and "oh, don't worry about Professor so-and-so who wants to use Linux, it gets along perfectly with NT," countering each objection to Linux entering our enterprise with a working, efficient, and cost-effective OPEN SOURCE solution. Samba rules.

Re:Microsoft wins (2, Interesting)

justins (80659) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153798)

You've got to be fucking kidding.

Services for Unix is a sorry joke, pretty much the only thing it's got going for it is an NFS implementation for win32. In every other way, Cygwin and Uwin are superior.

It raises an interesting question though: how come nobody has done an open-source implementation of NFS for win32?

The Real Thing! (-1, Offtopic)

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Best System Integration Software (-1, Flamebait)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153351)

Microsoft - Services for Unix 3.0

Why is this so confusing to everyone? What do you expect from the Borg? Remember, it's not "You might be assimilated". It's "You will be assimilated".

Resistance IS Futile (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153599)

Not, "Resistance occasionally works, but in general you really shouldn't count on it".

from the blurb..... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153403)

United Linux is sucking

IT SURE IS!!!

har har

Microsoft - Services for Unix 3.0 (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153416)

Microsoft - Services for Unix 3.0,
Nice getting an award for that.
Just like they had support for Novell, nice of Microsoft to include support for Novell, but wait!! after a while it was only used to upgrade Novell servers to NT servers?

services for unix (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153435)

OK, a serious question about Services for Unix, that got a definite "maybe" on an Interix newsgroup:

Now that Services for Unix includes the formerly separate "Interix" product (which as I understand it is a POSIX-compliant sub-system for win2k), is it possible to run X Windows and a window manager and *still* run native Win32 apps from the window manager (and have them behave reasonably)?

I was trying to get a demo of Interix to try it, but I couldn't...

Re:services for unix (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153845)

No need to turn to MS for this. You want Cygwin [cygwin.com] for this. XFree under Cygwin now supports rootless mode, making it very feasible to use native apps and X11 apps at the same time.

Works very well.

weee. (0, Offtopic)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153451)

why dont i get to go to linux-dex instead of being @ work on a friday? i would take advantage of the free booze and do some break dancing for ya. booooooooooooooooooooooooo *u can tell its a friday afternoon when slashdot gets really busy* everyone else is just putting in time...working for the weekend...*loverboy*

Obigatory lame joke (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153917)

Well now, if you lived in Soviet Russia this wouldn't be a problem, right? (LinuxWorld would come to you, or something....)


(ducking thrown tomatoes)

but.. but.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153470)


Everyone on /. knows that m1cr0$0f7 5ux0rz! How can they win a prize?

Services for Unix is not Open Source (4, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153474)

I'm confused. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/howtobuy/defa ult.asp [microsoft.com] . How can a non-open source product win an open source excellence award? Some of the basic utilities are GPL. The product requires per-seat and/or per-server licensing and licenses for each person who connects. That's a proprietary license.

Re:Services for Unix is not Open Source (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153512)

Because it's a LinuxWorld expo, not an Open Source expo.

Many of the most compelling products for linux are proprietary.

Re:Services for Unix is not Open Source (3, Informative)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153560)

From the LinuxWorld announcement [linuxworldexpo.com] about the Open Source Product Excellence Awards:

"The Open Source Product Excellence Awards are the industry standard for innovation in Open Source technology," said Rob Scheschareg, vice president of sales, marketing and product development, IDG World Expo.

Re:Services for Unix is not Open Source (1)

andcal (196136) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153669)

On the referred page, one of the IDG VPs is quoted as saying: "These products represent the very best technology available to users of Linux and Open Source..." so it doesn't sound like the products themselves had to be open source.

If Microsoft doesn't include any open source, then why do they include the
gpl? [microsoft.com]

Aren't there such things as products with open source components, and closed source components, like Lindows?

Heck, I don't know, but it just might be that you are assuming something that isn't true.

Re:Services for Unix is not Open Source (2, Informative)

Mathetes (132911) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153897)

Neither are these winners:

Best Developer Tools
IBM - Websphere Studio Appl. Developer V.5

Best Data Storage Solution
IBM - Tivoli Storage Manager

Best Security Solution
Computer Associates - eTrust Antivirus

Best Productivity Application
HRsmart - Applicant Tracking

Was there, it was .... pretty ok (5, Informative)

guyo26 (151472) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153477)

Drove down from NH wednesday, went to the show yesterday with my brother [who lives in NY]. Not like going to trade shows back in the big boom days (read as not much free stuff), but still pretty fun.

Odd things I noticed:
although there were tons of Linux Journals, SysAdmin's and C/C++ mags, Dr. Dobbs was empty all day. Either everyone else reads it or they only sent a dozen to the show.

Saw _several_ SGI ALtix's, even got a picture of me standing next to them. Even though they've gone to the dark side [x86] they were very friendly and had a nice booth.

Ximian had the best booth by far, the whole jungle theme rocked. Unfortunately they were right next to Microsoft.

Speaking of, the were tre chic in black long sleeve shirts and jeans. I admit that I dropped my business card in the fishbowl for a chance to win a free Xbox ... now that it's been hacked to run Linux I didn't feel too much pain in my soul. My brother refused to come within 5 feet of the booth.

Sun was awesome. Got DVD's of Solaris 9 for both x86 and Sparc. They've sold out and gone x86 as well, but I still have a thing for old Sparc SBUS boxen.

The LPI test was ok. suitably hard enough.

I went prepared to be impressed by RedHat, but was sorely let down. Very corporate. Very stand-offish IMHO. Too bad, I would love to move to nice, warm, NC and get a job there.

SUSE has a great booth, with an absolutely gorgeous girl there. Best of the show, unfortunately they were also close to SCO, who had a huge booth. Even _I_ refused to get within 5 feet of the SCO booth. At least M$ has a track record, these guys ... I dunno, anyway

Not a SINGLE booth offering CD's, except for the aforementioned Sun and NetBSD.

the Icculus guy was great. .org rocked and was way better overall. Got my GNU shirt. Even applied for the Linux credit card because of the hot chicks shilling.

Wish the Debian booth had more stuff ... guess it took to long to install *grin*

Last but not least, the Linux Journal folks were really nice and went out of their way to take care of us and make us feel good.

There were definately some geeks out on Thursday, don't know about Wednesday, but I saw quite a few.

All in all a good time, hope I'll go next year. I'm still pawing through my 2 bags of goodies.

Re:Was there, it was .... pretty ok (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153566)

YOU SAID BOXEN!!! Die die die die die die!!!

Re:Was there, it was .... pretty ok (1)

max_uptime (595849) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153645)

hehe, yeah, the SuSe girl was HOT, but the one making the crepes was more down to earth, no ? yup, RH is all corporate now, I mean, come on, there stock is worth way more per share then Sun, they deserve to have an attitude, right ? all I know is it was friggin' cold, but a couple slices of "two boots" pizza ia always worth the trip! and someday I wanna go to one of these things and run into Eric Allman... But it was cool seeing Mad Dog there...

Sun sold out? (1)

Gekko (45112) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153737)

Sun sold out and went X86. Uhmmm where have you been. They almost did not make Solaris 9 for X86. It was only due to alot of work by the "not so secrect group of six" and other people that Sun made Solaris 9 for X86

I love solaris on a sparc, but sometimes I want to run it on an X86. I am glad to have the option to do both.

Re:Was there, it was .... pretty ok (1)

visualight (468005) | more than 11 years ago | (#5154026)

Please go [right now] to booth 9 and hammer the icculus people for details on mohaa. Then post those details here or email them to me at "charmin66-at-hotmail.com".

Thank You

Re:Was there, it was .... pretty ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5154053)

oh yeah, and a picture of the girl at the SuSE booth too. k thx

SGI Altix is not x86 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5154075)

Saw _several_ SGI ALtix's, even got a picture of me standing next to them. Even though they've gone to the dark side [x86] they were very friendly and had a nice booth.

SGI Altix is based on ia64, not x86. It currently uses the Itanium 2 (McKinley), and will be upgradable to Madison.

Look closer Robin.. (2, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153503)


The hottest thing I've seen at this show so far is a guy with six piercings jumping up and down

What he doesn't tell you is that it was actually Cowboy Neal. The other 9 piercings were.. hidden..

asking for trouble (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153595)

I'm pretty impressed that someone could still innocently write "sucking in more partners" in a slashdot story submission. Truly gives me hope.

Ximian Gnome 2.0 (1)

Zelet (515452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153597)

I have been patiently awaiting Ximain Gnome 2.0. I fully expected it to be release in accordance with Linux World. DAMN IT ALL TO HELL! Where are you, oh god of gnome!

Has anyone tried gentoo? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5153637)

I was thinking about giving it a shot, anyone??

Wasn't XF86V4.3 supposed to be out? (3, Interesting)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153686)

Weren't XFree supposed to release V4.3 of XFree86 at this show?

Re:Wasn't XF86V4.3 supposed to be out? (1)

visualight (468005) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153996)

That's the only reason I'm following this story. and now that I've followed it and discovered icculus has a native mohaa client, for that too.

I'm disappointed "day two" didn't even mention the two most important happenings.

Re:Trolling for congress? (0, Redundant)

alx512 (194670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153698)

I'm confused, these are "open source product excellence awards" but this doesn't look like an open source product... am I missing something? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/howtobuy/defa ult.asp [microsoft.com]

microsoft tax (1)

kluut (644504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153808)

So HP seems to care to have an easy suse install. Then, why are they still selling every laptop with microsoft tax??

Best News from LWCE: (1)

floamy (608691) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153886)

Best News: icculus annonced Americas Army, Medal of Honor: Alied Assult, and Serious Sam: The Second Encounter

Woot.

Interesting (1)

Biomechanoid (515993) | more than 11 years ago | (#5153973)

Earl and Shantia, whose only home computer experience has been with Mandrake, which they like better than the Windows computers at school, "because they stop working a lot and you have to wait for the teacher to make them start again," explains five-year old Earl. Score:5, Interesting

No MS endorsed bash? (1)

hazzzard (530181) | more than 11 years ago | (#5154136)

From http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/howtobuy/defa ult.asp:
The GPL utility source code for Services for UNIX 3.0 contains the base utilities diff, sdiff, bc, dc, cpio, gzip, gunzip, gawk, patch, csplit, nl, strings, rpm, and SDK utilities/libraries ld.so, gcc, gdb, g++, g77, gasp, objcopy, ld, as, ar, nm, size, strip, ci, co, diff3 rcs, rlog, and ident.
Does that mean that MS does not want the bash on Windows desktops? I wonder how a unix system could be useful without using any unix shell (not even CSH or someting is included). How easy is it to port a serious app without having the shell available? Well, I guess for anything like that we'll have to keep using cygwin [cygwin.com] , which has all these features. I wonder why cygwin didn't win the award. If you want to port something to windows, cygwin is far more useful (though it doesn't include an nfs server as far as I know). Did you see that rpm is included? Does that meant that there will be rpms from microsoft soon? ;-) On another note: Will MS now have to pay royalties to them [sco.com] for each CPU where windows runs on?? ;-)

yay OSDN (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5154174)

I don't know about you guys, but I know I was eagerly awaiting some fat old guy's account of a tech expo. Rob writes like a 10th grader and is about as interesting. Yay OSDN. I was on the original Netscape programming team, and we all know how good that program was, so this post should go to the front page. Oh wait: "mplayer waahhhh and the windows snap into place and I can't do RPMs and something about deCSS waaaahhhh!".

There, now it's ready for the front page.

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