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P2P File Sharing Could Cost You A Bundle

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the what's-on-your-hard-drive dept.

United States 1000

geekee writes "CNET posted an article claiming you could be liable for $250,000 in fines and up to 3 years in prison for p2p file sharing. This is due to an obscure law called the No Electronic Theft (NET) act passed in 1997 (signed by Bill Clinton). Although the Justice Department has not prosecuted anyone under this new law, some members of congress have asked John Ashcroft to begin prosecuting. In response to the request, John Malcolm, a deputy assistant attorney general, said to expect some NET Act prosecutions."

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h0t sh1t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171161)

f1r$t p0$t, n0obs or second post

Ok I deleted all my MP3s (3, Funny)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171164)

Just don't take my porn!!!

Long live heather brooke.

woot.

Code 431.322.12 of the Internet Privacy Act (3, Insightful)

huh12312 (605811) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171250)

Oh well, I will just have to use DirectConnect or IRC where the 431.322.12 of the Internet Privacy Act applies, it saying that if you are affiliated with any government, police, investigative, ANTI-Piracy Group, RIAA, MPAA, Universal, Fox, any other movie production company or video game company or console manufacturer or distribution company or group, or any other related group, or were formally a worker of one, you CANNOT enter. If this is violated, any evidence obtained during this violation can be thrown out of court.

On a side note, with the average user base of Kazaa averaging over 1 million constantly not to mention the tens of millions who log in periodically, I am so sure that the US government will jail half the teenage population in the US. This is a bluff plain and simple.

freak post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171165)

yeah

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171167)

first post?

Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171168)

You break the law, you get in trouble. It's a pretty simple concept.

I agree. (2, Funny)

Mustang Matt (133426) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171216)

People that don't like the current laws should come up with better ones and push their reps. to change the current laws.

Everyone just likes to sit on their butt and whine about stuff they have never bothered to put any effort towards fixing.

Re:I agree. (5, Interesting)

ainsoph (2216) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171264)

I just tried to do that. I wrote a very long letter to her talking about consumer rights, fair use, etc.

She wrote back to me to say, there is currently a bill that is fair and protective of consumers known as the CDPTA (or whatever the fuck it is called this week).

Even tho she is quite liberal, we obviously are not on the same page. And even tho she thanked me for writing, she basically told me what I had to say had no value in the modern world, and to stay in touch.

In case you havent noticed, unless you own the copyright on Micky the fuckin Mouse, or some such property (Britney anyone?) you dont stand a chance having your voice heard 'in these modern times'.

Sorry to be a cynic. Vote with yer $buck$, thats how you get heard.

Re:I agree. (0, Flamebait)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171297)

You rep represents millions of people. It's a physical impossibility to keep *everybody* happy. She votes for laws the way she wants to. She was elected into office based on her character and the way that voters would think that she would vote on various issues. Just because you disagree doesn't mean that she should vote otherwise. Grow up. You're not that important. It's called living in a society.

Bring it on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171169)

I'll go to jail for what I believe in. Will you?

What do you believe in? (5, Insightful)

Mustang Matt (133426) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171197)

I would go to jail for what I believe in.

But I do believe that theft is theft.

Everyone gets pissed off when someone threatens to take away their pirated music and videos.

If you want to make a backup of your music and videos fine, but don't share them out to other people to freely copy.

Re:What do you believe in? (3, Interesting)

lakeland (218447) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171282)

Part of what you've said is true, theft is theft. But using p2p isn't, and nor is (was) sharing files via p2p. Some people would argue it is in the entertainment industry's best interest

Say I have a CD of "Revolver" by the Beatles, I can legally convert it to MP3. But converting CDs to MP3 is a drag, if I can't be stuffed doing the conversion, I can log into napster and download the MP3s. Similarly, if I want to save other owners of that CD the hassle of converting their CDs to MP3, there is nothing wrong with me sharing the files via p2p.

The problem comes when someone who doesn't own the CD downloads the files from me. Now personally, I don't care -- I think it is up to each person to decide what laws they're willing to break -- but I still haven't broken any laws (or at least I shouldn't have). Just because what I do makes it easy for others to break the law shouldn't make what I do illegal.

Re:What do you believe in?-Excuses. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171293)

But, but...The artist has the original. How is it stealing?

or

I was never going to buy it anyway, so how's it stealing?

or

I should be able to loan anything out to my friends. What happens after that is none of my business.

or

I'll strike at the evil heart of the big anonymous corporations by downloading, uploading every book, music, etc. That'll show them.

Re:Bring it on (4, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171252)

I'll go to jail for what I believe in. .. said the anonymous coward.

Your bravery is inspiring (1)

nursedave (634801) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171310)

I am truly inspired by your courage. The sheer testicular fortitude it must take, to stand up and proudly say, "I, Anonymous, will *NOT* be played for a fool any more! I will hide behind the deeds of others to stand up for my beliefs in truth, justice, the American Way, and free shit that I didn't pay for!"

I salute you, sir. Guess with which finger?

WIOTI? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171170)

What Is On The Inside?

(signed by Bill Clinton) (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171172)

(signed by Bill Clinton)

Under the new version of the bill, signed by George Bush, violaters will be declared "enemy combatants", will be stripped of all rights and will be held for life on the Guantanamo Bay military base.

Actually (0)

ainsoph (2216) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171225)

You got that only partially correct. The DOJ and the administration have also declared that every US citizen must own at least one SUV by May 2003 or suffer the same consequences you described above.

Now if they are also stating what you state concerning p2p, then wtf? I dont even recognize this damn place anymore!!

No worries... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171173)

I live in Europe!

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171179)

they gonna jail a 200,000,000 people?

-Barrett

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171277)

By jolly, if that's what it takes to stop Saddam, N. Korea, etc, we'll jail every American citizen if we have to!

Funny (0, Troll)

Stanley Feinbaum (622232) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171181)

In Switzerland, they actually let people VOTE on whether they want these acts or not.

Got to love America's "Democratic" government, passing laws without even letting the people know.

Re:Funny (0, Offtopic)

kevdaman (580143) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171198)

ummmm hey dude, read your constitution....we are not a democracy but a republic. so sorry to burst your dream of American democracy

Re:Funny (0)

Spellbinder (615834) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171298)

then you have to educate a lot of swiss citizens
i thought you live by a democratic system even if it is a republic....
or maybe you aren't any better then saddam :p

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171203)

oh yeah? well.... at least our cheese doesn't have holes in it!!

Re:Funny (0, Offtopic)

Jhon (241832) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171230)

Who said the U.S. (I assume you meant U.S. when you said "America") was a Democracy? "...to the flag and to the *REPUBLIC* for which it stands..." (pledge).

Think "mob rule" works? I dont.

-Jhon

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171308)

"America," when referring to a country, is short for "The United States of America". This is universally understood except, perhaps, by some disgruntled Canadians who can't disambiguate a reference to a continent from a reference to a country based on context.

Re:Funny (0)

Spellbinder (615834) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171232)

i can approve this is true :p
it has to be funny to be a lawyer in US. always people discovering new laws never used before:p
and to be cheap:
in sovjet russia laws vote you!!!!!

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171235)

in our system, one dollar equals one vote. How many dollars do you have?

Re:Funny (3, Interesting)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171251)

Do you legislators ever vote for you?

I have a hard time believing that Swiss Citizens have voted on every single line in the law books. When Switzerland joined the UN recently, did you actually vote on that, or did some representative vote in your name,.

Not a flame, but I'm curious how it works in other countries (I got some idea when I spent a week there in June, but a week is so little time).

Re:Funny (2, Interesting)

Spellbinder (615834) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171263)

we voted actually
and our system works
with and without holes in our cheese :p

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171316)

Goverment members swear to uphold the constitution. The constitution obliges citizens to drag their elected officials out into the streets and hang em when they fail.

So where are you going with this.

Re:Funny (-1, Offtopic)

Alpha_Nerd (565637) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171328)

I am glad that America is not a democracy. If we were a democracy, democracy is mob rule. Had we been a democracy, things like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 never would have been passed.

"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."
--John Adams


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. ..[Eventually], the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public Treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy. . . The world's greatest civilizations have progressed through this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from great courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again to bondage."
--Andrew Tyler Fraser

OMG TLA WTF (1)

Chester K (145560) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171184)

And you thought Microsoft was the only ones to overuse the (dot) NET moniker!

Re:OMG TLA WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171222)

maybe MS will be able to sue the US for use of the NET (in all caps) name.

Everyone knows this is unenforceable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171185)

Sure, they round up 10 million high income earning people and put them in jail. Say good-bye to all that tax revenue for the government. When will people realize that the government exists to serve them - not the other way around?

how long will it take? (1)

Patrick13 (223909) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171190)

How long will it take for someone to make p2p software that will mask your IP and other pertinent information?

It exists.. why not donate, while you're at it (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171202)

http://freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/ WebHome [freenetproject.org]

They need all the cash they can get.

Re:how long will it take? (4, Informative)

MasterD (18638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171210)

How long will it take for someone to make p2p software that will mask your IP and other pertinent information?

They have. It is called Freenet. [freenetproject.org]

Re:how long will it take? (2, Insightful)

bizitch (546406) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171262)

True -

And Freenet is very cool in concept. But it's still way to slow to be of any use.

The day we all have access to cheap (i.e. competitive) high speed (>10mps) bandwith - ala UWB or 802.11 derivitive - this concept will languish

Re:how long will it take? (2, Interesting)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171213)

Forever. If its P2P you have to make a direct connection to other peers, which means they need your ip. The only way around this would be proxying all connections (P2P2P?) which would of course be laughably unfeasable due to the pbit+ connection this proxy would need.

Re:how long will it take? (1)

kUnGf00m45t3r (628515) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171221)

Looks like it is a work in progress [sourceforge.net] .

Re:how long will it take? (1)

CyberBill (526285) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171245)

Kinda not possible. How would it know where to get the data from??? I mean, sure you can mask your IP address by spoofing, but by doing that you dont allow anyone to send YOU anything. So, it just doesnt work.

Even if its all handled by a single server, that single server has to know everyones IP addy.

So, in conclusion, I think we should have an Anarchy, thanks.

This is a waste of Government Resources (5, Insightful)

fozzy(pro) (267441) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171191)

The Governmnet needs to focus on inforcing laws regarding corprate fraud, not suing minor players in pirating. This would tie up unnecesary resources that the DOJ could use to enforce say drug laws or possibly figure out a real way to protect people from terreorisim as opposed to the false security that we are presented with.

Re:This is a waste of Government Resources (2, Insightful)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171236)

Oh yeah, enforcing drug laws. That's a lot better.

Re:This is a waste of Government Resources (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171253)

The real waste of resources was the time and money pissed away on your education. Are you retarded? You write like you are.

Re:This is a waste of Government Resources (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171305)

Punishing non-violent drug offenders? Searching for a needle in a hay stack (terrorism.) These are real effective uses of tax dollars..

Doh! (5, Funny)

jagilbertvt (447707) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171193)

There goes my tax refund.

Dear American Nerds.... (1)

glMatrixMode (631669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171196)

...Welcome in Europe !

hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171199)

RIAA/MPAA want to hack into your pc (sorry can't find the old /. story on that) but haven't conisdered just fining you into oblivien over it.
since i'm guessing over 95% of the current p2p don't have $250k to spare. just ask any college student if they have it, and you'll be lucky to find they have a spare $0.35 they are saving to call home for beer money.

record companies get desperate (5, Funny)

elite lamer (533654) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171204)

RIAA Executive One: How much money have we lost due to shamelessly promoting talentless bands...I mean, MP3 downloading?

RIAA Executive Two: $250,000.

RIAA Executive One: Great, let's invoke an obscure five-year-old law that was applied in entirely different context and fine some average Joe for $250,000.

RIAA Executive Two: Why don't we lower the prices of CDs, since they cost practically nothing to make, to improve CD sales and regain our lost capital?

RIAA Executive One: Ha! That's a good one, Bob! Speaking of jokes, did you hear the one about the Irish man and the horse that...

Yet another day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171205)

I'm glad not to live in the US.

Re:Yet another day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171280)

I'm glad you don't live in the U.S., too.

That does it... (5, Funny)

DarkHand (608301) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171206)

I'm moving to Russia where it's more free.

Re:That does it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171278)

better move to Switzerland... Russia might be too criminalistic for ya, unless you can bribe everyone in sight. I lived there, I know...

Re:That does it... (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171295)

Yeah, there you fine the government, oh wait that's just plain old Russia. Sorry.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171207)

YOU cost P2P a bundle!

Some Ground Rules (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171208)

Everytime there is any mention of peer-to-peer, the same old arguements get trotted out 'it's stealing', 'the RIAA deserves it', 'musicians are getting screwed', 'yeah, by the RIAA'.

Maybe just read the Kaaza article from last week, and if a viewpoint is not mentioned there, then post. But there is only so many times the same arguements can...

Oh, right I'm on /.

Nevermind.

So don't use Kazaa... (5, Insightful)

starsong (624646) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171211)

...use Freenet. [freenetproject.org] Strong encryption and practically dripping with plausible deniability.

Of course, there's still the "pre-dawn-raid-and-seize-hard-drive" tactic which I've heard makes that moot...

Ahem (0, Troll)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171212)

So a person goes and STEALS music. He gets sued and has to pay money / sit in jail. What's wrong about that ? If you start seeing people who get sued for downloading songs they ALREADY OWN, then raise hell.

Re:Ahem (1)

phriedom (561200) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171307)

"So a person goes and STEALS music. He gets sued and has to pay money / sit in jail. What's wrong about that ? If you start seeing people who get sued for downloading songs they ALREADY OWN, then raise hell."

We're not talking about a suit. We're talking about Fedral felony. Do you think the punishment fits the crime? Personally, I think jail time for sharing a file on a P2P network is over-the-top. And I think the FBI has more important things it should be doing.

Interesting idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171309)

Let's all download songs we already own, just to raise the stakes a little for the "NET" enforcers. If someone gets prosecuted for downloading what they already bought, I can imagine the lawsuits now. The ultimate ha-ha would be when the person who gets arrested sits on the fact they bought the song already -- submarine patent style. Let the case go all the way to court and then reveal the fact that the arrest was made without probable cause. Fsck-em.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer; this is not legal advice.

wtf mods? (4, Insightful)

goatasaur (604450) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171319)

Dnaumov - Meta-modding tends to be unkind people who speak out against the "everything should be free" dogma surrounding Slashdot. I disagree with you, but I've seen enough of your posts before to know (hope) you're not trolling.

Yes, I steal music. If you've read the latest article on the RIAA's trouble regarding price-fixing you'd realize they also steal from me.

That's all I have to say.

Nice (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171215)

(a) DEFINITION OF FINANCIAL GAIN- Section 101 of title 17, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the undesignated paragraph relating to the term `display', the following new paragraph:


`The term `financial gain' includes receipt, or expectation of receipt, of anything of value, including the receipt of other copyrighted works.'.



Very nice. I just traded some recently-read books with my mom. Does this mean I'm gonna fry (she'll probably turn me in 'cuz she's like that)?

My Theory (1)

sickboy_macosX (592550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171226)

It is just my theory that it is the RIAA and MPAA's way of making up the money they "loose" on P2P File Sharing and Warez Haxors.

As much as i haten Microsoft i have to wonder why the RIAA and MPAA can have a Monopoly but the RIAA cant.

does it bother anyone else like me? The RIAA and MPAA bother me because they are the ones who fought to pass the DMCA, but...now they have the biggest problems with it.

Too bad (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171255)

No one gives a shit about your theory. I mean, you can't even spell 'lose' right. Get out of the basement lamer.

Re:My Theory (4, Funny)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171257)

Did you put "loose" in quotes because you couldn't spell it, or you weren't sure what it meant? Kiddo, you need to spend less time on Kazaa, and more with a good book.

In Other News (1)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171227)

The Combined Forces of the RIAA and MPAA arrests half the Populous of the United States for Illegal File sharing under the No Electronic Theft Act.

What is it with "NET"? (1)

bdesham (533897) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171229)

.NET and now NET... maybe we should get rid of that TLD altogether, before it sparks even more evil...

That's pretty hot.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171231)

My dad used to ask me to bring my cub scout friends over to our house all the times. He also wanted a picture of my no-no spot!

Freedom and Liberty ,,, (5, Insightful)

bizitch (546406) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171233)

The problem with giving people freedom and liberty is - you never know what they're actually going to do with it.

You know, like invent a decentralized p2p system and then trade files with it.

How dare they!

Canada's Great eh? (5, Informative)

jclendenan (530313) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171241)

At least in our great state north of the 49th parallel we don't really have to listen to our music with the fear of the FBI coming in and arresting us for listening to music we downloaded to evaluate. Our wonderful government just takes our money from buying blank media instead.

but it would be nice if we could get some kind of representation in the senate or congress so we could voice out conserns.

What ever did happen to representation in government?

What the fuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171270)

Are you a fucking moron? There is no 'congress' in Canada. You should be shot. And there is no media levy on blank data medium - just don't buy blank 'music' cds. Don't be a fucking moron, get out of the basement.

Re: Canada's Great eh? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171302)


> At least in our great state north of the 49th parallel we don't really have to listen to our music with the fear of the FBI coming in and arresting us for listening to music we downloaded to evaluate.

Posting from North Korea, are you?

> Our wonderful government just takes our money from buying blank media instead.

Hah, our government does both!

Re:Canada's Great eh? (1)

Vadim the Conqueror (591652) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171312)

ya, last time i saw, the tax on cdr's was 21 cents per. the other thing is that we cant import red bull or bawls for resale. that totally screwed over my business plan

Re:Canada's Great eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171326)

Maybe you missed it, but your lame ass country has even more lame ass laws than ours does so far about music being ilegally used/traded, and our government is using yours (and other) governements as a model for the RIAA's requests(donations).

Selective enforcement. (4, Interesting)

Kipper the Llama (454021) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171242)

Honestly, this law will never be used against the "normal" citizen. However, what should worry you is this, the law can be used to imprison or harm people who the gov't (or a malicious DA) wants out of the way.

Let's say you have a paranoid administration like the Nixon one, or a socio-fascist one like FDR's that wants an easy way to get rid of dissidents. What's a good way? Find out that they used Kazaa a few times, and imprison them for a few years.

This law is another example of government intrusion into your everyday life through regulation and taxes.

"Bring back the Articles of Confederation!"

Re: Selective enforcement. (2, Informative)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171315)


> However, what should worry you is this, the law can be used to imprison or harm people who the gov't (or a malicious DA) wants out of the way.

That's what the drug laws are for. How hard is it for the DEA or local police to 'find' a stash behind your toaster?

Whew, I was worried for a minute... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171246)

Then I saw it was a USA law. Doesn't apply to me. Ha Ha!

There HAVE been prosecutions under NETA (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171247)

... but just not trials, perhaps.

See Pirates With Attitude [cybercrime.gov] for one instance in which I was personally involved.

Sooo, what else is new? (3, Insightful)

secolactico (519805) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171256)

File swappers are already commiting theft. This changes nothing except that it spells out the the sentences you could get.

Even if this law didn't exist, and the feds raid your house and take your mp3 filled drive away, you are still going to be indicted.

Re:Sooo, what else is new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171301)

It's not theft asshat - thats the damned point.
Theft would be depriving somebody of something that they PHYSICALLY own.
Like if I stole that dildo your mom uses on your ass - that would be theft.
Making a copy of your sex video is not.

Sub $1000/180 Days (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171258)

CRIMINAL INFRINGEMENT- Any person who infringes a copyright willfully either--


(b)by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000,


So don't let more than $1000 of stuff get up and it looks like you might slip under it.

I might be reading that wrong, but that is how I am looking and interpeting it. IANAL of course. Of couse I am probably interpeting it wrong or taking it out of context.

What about p2p for free software? (4, Interesting)

Stonent1 (594886) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171259)

Instead of hammering redhat, Freebsd, ftp.kernel.org every time the latest and greatest is released, wouldn't it be a better use of resources to make a kazaa-like program that distributes the bandwidth of multiple mirror sites? I seem to remember something similar to this being discussed before but has anything like that been done? I actually feel kinda bad that my most "local" redhat mirror is ftp.redhat.com so I purposely rotate ftp sites to even things out.

Why stop? (5, Funny)

Senator_B (605588) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171261)

" It doesn't matter if you've forsworn Napster, uninstalled Kazaa and now are eagerly padding the record industry's bottom line by snapping up $15.99 CDs by the cartload. Be warned--you're what prosecutors like to think of as an unindicted federal felon."

So in essence, theres no reason for me to stop, now that I've already started.

Shhhh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171265)

Don't you guys get it? If we don't mention it for a bit, they won't remember! They're too busy fighting the War on Waldo. Now, where's Waldo...

Woah, I dodged a bullet there! (5, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171268)

"CNET posted an article claiming you could be liable for $250,000 in fines and up to 3 years in prison for p2p file sharing"

Good thing I'm a leecher!

Only in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171273)

"(signed by Bill Clinton)"

Lucky im in Australian then! Id Like to see how the a deputy assistant attorney general is going to prosecute everyone else in the world that uses p2p.

So how do I get Hilary Rosen indicted... (0, Flamebait)

MalleusEBHC (597600) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171279)

...when the dumb bitch tries to force ISP's to charge me more money even though I don't download any music? Ditto for when I have to pay a premium on CD-R's and CD-RW's I use for data backup of my system. Last time I checked the RIAA didn't hold a copyright on my cron scripts. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending music piracy here. I think it is wrong (it is stealing after all), but the way the RIAA conducts business is 10x's worse (or the equivalent of 421x's worse using RIAA math) than some people trading music.

Also, depending on how much you have on your hard drive, wouldn't it probably come down to just petty theft for most people? 3 years and/or $250k for that is just absurd; we can only hope the Supreme Court Justices realize this.

Theft (5, Insightful)

FuzzyBad-Mofo (184327) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171285)

It is Theft if I steal a compact disk from an individual or merchant, no doubt. But..

Is it really Theft to copy a song from a friendly stranger?

Or if I copy a song from a friend?
Or if I record a song off the radio?
Or if I make my own mix recordings?

Is criminalizing half of the population actually, "Government for the People, by the People"?
Heil Ashcroft..

Re:Theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171318)

Thank God America hasn't invaded Europe yet!

Heil Ashcroft indeed..

Ask for a trial (1)

LFS.Morpheus (596173) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171296)

Like all laws, its up to the public, a body of your peers, to decide whether to uphold a law. With the amount of people who use file sharing and clearly dont see it as wrong, I doubt many people would convict. If you're on a jury, definately hold out your side. Don't be afraid to lie to the lawyers in the preceedings to get on a jury either. You're not under oath to say you would never convict someone of a cybercrime. :P

Of course, unless this is a criminal case (IANAL and dont feel like reading the NET law), a lone holdout does no good. Good old American legal system; or perhaps I'm just angsty today.

If you're really paranoid, you can always move to Vanuatu.

Prosecute the RIAA and the MPAA (2, Interesting)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171303)

Lets ask law enforcement to prosecute the NET charges against the MPAA and RIAA agents that violate the terms of use and copyrights of websites while they search for pirated software.

Theft what Theft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5171311)

Everyone is always calling music sharing theft. In the past it was called culture. What makes it right that they use a model that cost so much that all but a few in the world will ever have access to the intellectual works of the world they helped build. A model that is no longer needed or for that matter wanted. Maybe that is the real crime here, not trying to reverse the trend. I for one will be glad not to see any more multimillion dollar abominations. Maybe we will even see a more down to earth and in touch group of artists, that are paid sanely.

Oh man, what they gonna do? (1)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171313)

Lock all 60 Million + users away? They'd have to build at least another 1,000 prisons. Even if we're just talking America here. Plus, jailing that many people may just up the defecite (sp?) of the US, because not only would the government have to pay for new jails to house all us bad file traders, but they'd also loose tax income.

All this so the RIAA/MPAA can get a few hundred thousand back?

Here's a better idea: Find everyone who trades. Go to their house. Ask them for five dollars. Everyone can find five dollars. Pay that once, and the RIAA will get upward of 100 million (25,000,000 * 5, figuring that there are 25,000,000 P2P users in America). That will hold them over for a few years, I think.

If they do use this, they'll probably go after the people who have the most files downloaded and share the most. Makes me glad I only have 300 songs (and not all copyrighted) and don't share. :) So if you have a quarter TB of songs, better move. :O

Work arounds (1)

zmcgrew (265718) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171321)

Um... Actually the act says that it only applies if you something with a value of $1,000 or more. So just don't build up $1,000 of Mp3's, Porn, Movies, Warez, etc. I think that's quite simple... Except that since a hammer costs $500... Who's to say that your 2 minute and 30 second mp3 isn't valued at 50 hajillion dollars!?

Declan McCullagh didn't RTFL (3, Informative)

root(at)jdm (631269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171323)

RTFL = Read The F'ing Law `(2) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000 You have nothing to worry about, continue file sharing!

Prisons ? (2, Informative)

LePrince (604021) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171324)

Man, these are going to get overcrowded... !

Bah, all they have to do is let the minor-crimes guilty people go out of jail with a promise never to do it again... You know, little crimes like rape, murder or pedophilia... It's REALLY much worse to have stolen 20$ from a company who already makes millions of bucks than to have killed someone these days.

"No Sergeant, stop putting efforts in finding the serial killer in this city, we have to find all those P2P users instead ! Much more dangerous are these guys..."

Damn. What a society do we live in where legislators are actually putting some efforts in arresting teenagers who steal a couple of mp3 off the Net rather than building social programs to help those in need. Heck, I was watching the Superbowl yesterday, and with all the money those fireworks probably costed, you could have fed one or two countries in Africa... But no, hell, no, Americans need their fireworks at the Superbowl. Much more important than those Africans dying of malnutrition.

How do they prove you don't already own the CDs (3, Insightful)

jcsehak (559709) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171325)

I mean, couldn't you, if you got caught, just go out and buy the CDs that they accuse you of illegaly downloading?

Or what if your friend, who owns the latest Eminem CD, comes over your house, downloads it and plays it for you, and then deletes it? Or rather, how can they ever prove that that didn't happen?

I would guess that they only will prosecute people who upload stuff. Actually, I would guess that it's just a scare tactic; or maybe they'll pull a Mitnick and throw some random college kid in jail for 5 years, just to make an example of him. Yikes though.

OK, P2P Users, Time to Put up or Shut up (2)

Phoenix666 (184391) | more than 11 years ago | (#5171327)

So if they're going to be staging mass arrests of the millions of P2P users in this country, there will be no more excuses or evasions for all of us out there trading files. I've called for it before, but the silence was deafening: we need to stage CD/Hilary Rosen-poster burning rallies and organize ourselves politically. When the sons and daughters of all those congresspeople join (I'm sure some of them will be on the Justice department's blacklist) we'll see some serious changes in short order.

Thus far wealthy lobbiests and cynical bloodsucking lawyers have carried the day, but let's see where the chips really fall when 3 million people of all ages assemble on the Mall and burn Congress in effigy. That, my friend, will get results, not posting endlessly on Slashdot.

I mean c'mon, is anyone else out there tired of the same old truths in this issue being rehashed ("copying is not stealing since you don't take away others' right to use it" or "I only download to backup what I already own" ad nauseum) on this site with the amazing result that things continue to go against us? Let's get off our butts and take some action!
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