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A Commodore 64 For The New Millenium

chrisd posted more than 11 years ago | from the silly-but-pretty-neat dept.

Upgrades 306

samdu writes "The CommodoreOne is now available for purchase. The C=1 is a reimplementation of the Commodore=64 in an ATX form factor, 65c816 processor running at approximately 20 MHz, VGA out, an updated SID (with backward compatibility), 32 MB of RAM, standard IDE, PS/2 ports, and a 64 compatible cartridge slot. Let the hobbying begin." We've run previous stories on related efforts.

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Space Shuttle Columbia is dying. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205603)

Space Shuttle Columbia is dying.

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Space Shuttle community when recently IDC confirmed that Columbia accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all shuttles. Coming on the heels of the latest NASA survey which plainly states that Columbia has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Columbia is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.org] in the recent Space Shuttle comprehensive landing test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict Columbia's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Columbia faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Columbia because Columbia is dying. Things are looking very bad for Columbia. As many of us are already aware, Columbia continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. Endevour is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core pilots.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

NASA leader Theo states that there are 7000 pilots of Challenger. How many pilotss of Atlantis are there? Let's see. The number of Challenger versus Atlantis posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Atlantis pilotss. Discovery posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Atlantis posts. Therefore there are about 700 pilots of Discovery. A recent article put Endevour at about 80 percent of the Columbia market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Endevour users. This is consistent with the number of Endevour Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of NASA, abysmal flights and so on, Endevour went out of business and was taken over by NASA who sell another troubled shuttle. Now NASA is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. All major surveys show that Columbia has steadily declined in market share. Columbia is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Columbia is to survive at all it will be among hobbyist pilots. Columbia continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Columbia is dead.

Fact: Space Shuttle Columbia is dead

Re:Space Shuttle Columbia is dying. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205614)

i pray 4 u

Ya! For the C64 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205607)

The C64 was my first computer, I used to write my code on a legal sheet..debug it, then type it in!

Re:Ya! For the C64 (1)

davidsn (645137) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205725)

I used to write software in the back of my maths book and type them in when I got home, on my VIC20. To me it just looks like someone having a bit of a mess around trying to make this. They can't seriously anticipate making any real money out of it.

FIRST POSTR (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205609)

DEATH TO ALL RAGHEADS!

AM YISRAEL CHAI!

Props to all my dead homies aboard the shuttle columbia.

Re:FIRST POSTR (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5206055)

DEATH TO ALL JEWS!

ITBAHK AL YAHID!

The shuttle Columbia is God's wrath upon the American and Jewish dogs!

I had one of these back when (-1, Flamebait)

voxel (70407) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205610)

oh, wait, no... it was the superior Atari 400/800XL... Poor C64..

Atari Rules!
8-bit Power!

Re:I had one of these back when (0)

Chexsum (583832) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205942)

Dude, even the Amstrads were better than those POS!

w00t @ a new Commodore!

I was just playing with x64 (vice) for the first time for about a year today trying to get Xzap *C=16 original - didnt work for me but I had no c16 ROM and suck nowadays* to work!!! =)

I still have a cartridge *Toy Bizarre* so might get this C-1 one day *after I get a job - heh*.

What is this good for? (0, Insightful)

norculf (146473) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205617)

The subject says it all: who in their right mind would want such a thing?

Re:What is this good for? (3, Funny)

isNaN (45985) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205653)

Are you crazy!?

It's a babe magnet!!

Re:What is this good for? (1)

flynn_nrg (266463) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205661)

Some games that relied in pure cpu power, games that used the freescape engine like Dark Side [free-scape.co.uk] , ran very slowly on the C64, since it was just 1MHz. With this new computer you'll be able to fully enjoy them. ;-)

Honestly, besides the 'because we can' and geek value, I can't imagine why would one want one, but the C64 hackers have been enchancing their hardware for years, adding modems, ide drivers, almost anything you can imagine. It's a very active community.

Re:What is this good for? (0, Funny)

GhostseTroll (582659) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205662)

A professor at the University of Mississippi is giving a
lecture on the supernatural. To get a feel for his
audience, he asks: "How many people here believe in
ghostses?" About 90 students raise their hands.

"Well, that's a good start. Out of those of you who
believe in ghostses, do any of you think you've ever seen
a ghostse?" About 40 students raise their hands.

"That's really good. Has anyone here ever talked to a
ghostse?" 15 students raise their hands.

"That's great. Has anyone here ever touched a ghostse?" 3
students raise their hands.

"That's fantastic. But let me ask you one question
further... Have any of you ever made love to a ghostse?"
One student way in the back raises his hand.

The professor is astonished and says, "Son, in all the
years I've been giving this lecture, no one has ever
claimed to have slept with a ghostse. You've got to come
up here and tell us about your experience."

The redneck student replies with a nod and a grin, and
begins to make his way up to the podium. The professor
says, "Well, tell us what it's like to have sex with a
ghostse."

The student replies, "Ghostse?!? From ah-way back there ah
thought yuh said "goatse." [goatse.cx]

Re:What is this good for? (5, Insightful)

repetty (260322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205677)

I've read that there's a healthy community of people who still write C64 software both in the US and in Europe. They get off of work coding on modern computers and then go home and challenge themselves with writing the most efficient code possible -- a novel and comparitively low priority in current software development. Think of it as building a ship in a bottle. One could build the ship outside the bottle, but where the fun it that? --Richard

Re:What is this good for? (1)

davidsn (645137) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205696)

You see writing efficent code as 'novel'? Remind me never to employ you :-p

Re:What is this good for? (3, Insightful)

repetty (260322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205813)

I certainly find that most software customers aren't the least bit interested in efficiency.

They want... FEATURES!!! ;->

Cross-development is like a ship in a bottle (2, Insightful)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205748)

Think of it as building a ship in a bottle. One could build the ship outside the bottle, but where the fun it that?

Actually, ships in bottles are built mostly outside the bottle with jointed masts. Then the ship is stuffed in the bottle, and the masts are raised.

Likewise, modern programs for underpowered systems (Palm, GBA, retro consoles) are developed on PCs using cross-compilers and emulators and then moved to the target system for testing.

"I don't want one, therefore it's a bad idea." (5, Insightful)

sczimme (603413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205796)


This sort of comment pops up all the time on /. and elsewhere. Just because you don't want something doesn't mean that someone else must be crazy to want it. Not everyone thinks like you do (or I do, or anyone else does).

If you don't want one, or think it's a dumb idea, then don't buy one. Problem solved.

This is not meant to be a troll or flamebait, though it will probably be modded as such.

Re:"I don't want one, therefore it's a bad idea." (1)

sheddd (592499) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205982)

I'd love one... for $10.

Facts are you could emulate the thing (and instead of plugging in roms download them) and still have a PC for much less than what they're selling the thing for.

Comments aside, they may make money; I know ~5 people who spent >=$1000 on freaking beanie babies.

Who in their right mind even gives a shit? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205797)

Those who laugh will soon see the business end of America's might.

Yeah, right, joke all you want, but we kicked Soddomy Insane's ass up around his ears 10 years ago - this time we'll shove it down his throat.

Re:What is this good for? (1)

reallocate (142797) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206022)

Don't be such a curmudgeon:-)

Who cares what it's good for? Some folks had fun building it; some other folks will have fun playing with it. That's all the purpose anyone needs.

Good news (0)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205625)

... for Junis [slashdot.org] !

*nix.org [starnix.org] -- Got *nix?

Back to basics. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205629)

10 ? "IN SOVIET RUSSIA"
20 ? "YOU ARE COMMODORE MILLLENIUM"
30 ? " "
40 GOTO 10

Imagine... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205637)

A beowolf cluster of these!

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205639)

This seems incrediby pointless. If I want to play C64 games, well my C64 is just over the other side of the room in storage and works fine (those things were built to last) if I want to do anything approaching modern I use my PC.

Seems useless to me.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205688)

Well, not all of us have a C64 to play with.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205712)

Hmm, well when I'm too lazy to set my C64 up I use emulators and I've never had any problems with a game on them. They seemed pretty complete and the accelerated loading option is incredibly nice compared to waiting a few years for a game to load from tape.

In Soviet Russia... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205643)

we use the COMRADE 64 for Workers' Revolution!

The first thing that comes to my mind (1)

slaker (53818) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205646)

OK. I'm not a Commodore guy. My first computer was an XT.

But still, wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to use something a bit more modern to emulate that Commodore rather than use x amount of energy to run a 20MHz CPU and all the disk drives etc that normally attend a PC?

Other than sheer geek factor, what's the point of owning one of these?

Re:The first thing that comes to my mind (2, Informative)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205806)

But still, wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to use something a bit more modern to emulate that Commodore

Sure you can emulate it, but you miss so much by simple emulation. The most hailed feature of the C64 was the sid chip (it's still used by some techo artists to make effects)

It all comes down to timing, when you emulate you are forced to the timing of the host system. Emulated sound NEVER sounds as good as the real thing.

I was on the other side of the fence back in the 8-bit days(atari user), we used to call commodore users "Commode Door" users, but I can still relate to them when it comes to sound reproduction. You just cannot get that vintage computer sound without the real thing.

Re:The first thing that comes to my mind (1)

netsrek (76063) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205887)

Sure you can emulate it, but you miss so much by simple emulation. The most hailed feature of the C64 was the sid chip (it's still used by some techo artists to make effects)

So go out and get yourself a SidStation [sidstation.com] .

There are some pretty damn good software emulators of the SID chip sound around these days. They've gotten much better.

I still don't get the point of running something like this in this form factor.

Re:The first thing that comes to my mind (1)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205940)

Ya but what does that do for all the C64 music applications that were out there?

I know musicians that STILL use an atari ST for their midi work, simply because they've never been able to find anything better. (don't even mention cakewalk)

Re:The first thing that comes to my mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205841)

My first computers were 8-bit Commodores, and I still can't imagine liking a PC (though I'm sure that's in part a Windows 95 trauma). It was great to see some puny breadbox rock at a time PCs couldn't offer anything more exciting than Word 3.0 (at least when you're 12 or so and not particularly interested in office applications.) It was great to "feel" that this (your!) computer is, right now, producing the music it's playing rather than playing back CD audio/MP3s/samples/General MIDI-tinklings. It was great to see new exciting hacks come out all the time and, for a long time, to not have to worry about upgrading your CPU/mainboard/video adapter/monitor. Weird hardware hacks in magazines. Memory maps you'd eventually know your way around. No internet to overflow both your information processing capacities and your self-esteem (why try to do x if it's already been done?). Games and tools written by dedicated individuals, without a team of musicians and video and graphics artists. It was, at least sometimes, a whole lot of fun.

Space Shuttle Columbia Lost during re-entry (-1, Offtopic)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205878)

Since the editors haven't posted this yet (happened yesterday) I figured i'd do it.

(nabbed from space.com)

Columbia destroyed during reentry, seven astronauts lost
Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003 at 2:10 p.m. EST
In an address to the nation, President George W. Bush has just confirmed that the space shuttle Columbia and its crew of seven astronauts were lost today after the Orbiter broke up during reentry on its landing approach to the Kennedy Space Center.

NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe notified President Bush moments after Columbia's scheduled landing time had passed without any sighting of the Orbiter. O'Keefe has met with the astronauts' families gathered at the Florida landing site for Columbia's landing.

A visibly shaken astronaut Bill Readdy, speaking at a press conference, announced somberly that "sadly, it does not appear that there are any survivors."

President Bush has called the astronauts' families to express the nation's condolences. The President also called Israeli Prime Minister Sharon to discuss the tragedy - the first Israeli astronaut, Ilan Ramon was one of Columbia's seven crewmembers.

Both NASA and White House officials have stated that there is no reason to believe that the accident is terrorism-related.

Mission Control in Houston last made contact with the Orbiter at about 9 a.m. EST as it reentered Earth's atmosphere over north-central Texas. Columbia was at about 207,000 feet altitude, traveling at about Mach 18 or 12,500 mph, when contact was lost, about 16 minutes prior to its scheduled landing at Florida's Kennedy Space Center.

Tracking systems at the Kennedy Space Center did not acquire Columbia when it was scheduled to approach the Florida coast.

The last communication from the crew made a reference to a "tire pressure" indicator.

Video of Columbia's descent over Texas shows the vehicle breaking up upon reentry. Weather radar from Shreveport, Louisiana shows a wide swath of heated particles extending over several hundred miles as the vehicle disintegrated.

Law enforcement authorities report numerous pieces of debris landing in Nacogdoches and Palestine, Texas. Aerial video shows smoldering debris landing over several hundred square miles of eastern Texas.

NASA has scheduled a press conference at 3 p.m. EST to provide further details. We will next update this box at that time.

-- Roger Guillemette, SPACE.com correspondent for the Cape Canaveral Bureau

Dude! (1)

crisco (4669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205917)

posted 6:45am 2/1/03 [slashdot.org] , 45 miniutes after it happened. Just scroll a little further down the page, you can't miss it, its the article with 1600 comments and counting.

Re:Damn! (1)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206051)

Damn! It's embarrassing moments like this I wish slash had a "delete comment" option. Please mod my comment down so I don't have to be embarassed when I read at a +1 threshhold.

Emulation (4, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205659)

Just as I wouldn't go out and buy a classic arcade console, but rather would run MAME, why would someone want this when the 6502 can be completely emulated [google.ca] very well? Emulation isn't an option when extreme performance is required, but I'd wager that a modern Ghz+ would emulate a 6502 and subsystems at a speed greatly outpacing a actual 20Mhz 6502.

Re:Emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205672)

Well ya know, when I think of my C64 and it's pokey old 6502 processor extreme performance isn't the first thing that comes to mind...

Re:Emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205673)

especially when the emulators are FREE for the most part.

The only game I want to play is Wizardry. No emulator will run that correctly though.

Re:Emulation (1)

Neck_of_the_Woods (305788) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205744)

Not true, there is an apple emulator for x86 that runs Wizardy "Proving grounds of the mad overload" just fine.

I realized that I could still remember how to get to the monster allocation center by memory. That just scares me! I don't remember the name of it, but I did play it for a good week about 2 years ago on a p2 400 x86. Good luck.

Re:Emulation (5, Insightful)

Neck_of_the_Woods (305788) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205730)

I will tell you why I own some older arcade classic coin-ops. Mame is great and all, but when you have an original you have and original. Something that has more to it than just the gaming value.

I can tell you from the way people go "holly shit do those work!" when they walk into my shop and see original Galaga, Centipede, and Sinistar arcade games running . Those games have personal attachment to them. They bring back a time in my generations history that they loved.

Everyone always plays them all the time. There is nothing like hearing "I HUNGER! RUN COWARD!" and the simple sounds from Galaga and people having a good time at those machines. The analog feel of the controls and the battle for the high scores with everyone that plays the games.

It is just something about the classics that make you love them, be it your time with them, or the memories that you have. Sometimes you just can't make something old better with new stuff, it peaked and you can't recreate what the old games have with new equipment.

Just my views....

Re:Emulation (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205784)

I will tell you why I own some older arcade classic coin-ops. Mame is great and all, but when you have an original you have and original. Something that has more to it than just the gaming value.

I can see the merit in this for nostalgic purposes, and indeed I have browsed the auctions for a big stand up arcade. I guess my question should have been something more like "Why would someone buy hardware to emulate the original games when they can do virtual emulation?". In this case there isn't even the nostalgic factor as the thing is a oddball plug-in card rather than a real C64.

Re:Emulation (2, Informative)

Mitchell Mebane (594797) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205995)

I'd wager that a modern Ghz+ would emulate a 6502 and subsystems at a speed greatly outpacing a actual 20Mhz 6502.

Maybe, maybe not. See here [btinternet.com] for details.

Re:Emulation (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206058)

I'm curious about his technique and where the big holdup is. This [emulators.com] page emulated an Atari 130XE, a very similar beast to the C64, and in their admittingly simplistic benchmark achieved 4x the speed running the emulator on a 486/66 (9x the speed on a Pentium 90). Put in the numerous architectural enhancement in today's processors, and I find it hard to believe that an 800Mhz processor cannot emulate a C64 at a 1:1 speed.

Re:Emulation (1)

Mitchell Mebane (594797) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206112)

They don't claim to have perfect synchro.

No Thanks (2, Insightful)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205664)

A classic's a classic, and there's no denying that.

New millenium this, new millenium that, but to me and many like myself, there'll only ever be one Commodore [ebay.com] .

*nix.org [starnix.org]

Re:Very True. (1)

Destroyed (638744) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205889)

People are playing on our childhood memories. Possibly trying to intice us into buying their product - a c64 wannabe? What good is 20 Mhz when no C=64 progies require it? Upgraded SID? There is only one C=64 that I would consider. Oh yeah, apple sucks:).

In other news. (4, Funny)

Neck_of_the_Woods (305788) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205666)


Reports are coming in that atari is making a Minitower 2600 and to our surprise here at the shop someone told us they have a Vic20 running at 3mhz with 4k of ram in a shuttle case.

Blood amazing! Just when I broke my last paper weight I get a new bigger one. Could someone make me a Beta recorder in a xbox case please?!

Aside from the 'cool' factor. -- why? (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205682)

Sure its cool, and would be fun to mess with, but if its more then a box of parts in cost.. why??

I can build a C64 for almost nothing, even if i didnt have 3 in the garage somewhere...

Hell you can do this on a single programmable chip these days.. now THATS really cool.

Does this mean we will see a 'modernized' atari 8bit as well, or an ST...

Re:Aside from the 'cool' factor. -- why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5206035)

Hell you can do this on a single programmable chip these days.. now THATS really cool

What's cooler is that the c-one has two programmable chips(FPGA). I think one is for the microcode and another for the MonsterSID chip. If your up for it reprogram the FPGAs to be a Apple IIgs, atari... or whatever.

Re:Aside from the 'cool' factor. -- why? (1)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206114)

I don't think a Xilinx can do a SID without doing things very differently.

Re:Aside from the 'cool' factor. -- why? (2, Interesting)

rabidcow (209019) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206120)

Sure its cool, and would be fun to mess with, but if its more then a box of parts in cost.. why??

What it is:

The Commodore One computer is a 2002 enhanced adaptation of the Commodore 64 -the most sold of any computer model (Guiness book of World Records) While retaining almost all of the original's capabilities the Commodore One adds modern features, interfacing and capabilities and fills a sorely needed gap in the hobbyist computer market.


That's their answer [c64upgra.de] to your question.

I can build a C64 for almost nothing, even if i didnt have 3 in the garage somewhere...

This is not an exact replica of the C64 (btw, how would you duplicate the custom logic chips without an original?) This has a 20MHz processor, will take 32MB of ram, has a built-in CompactFlash slot, will handle video up to 1280x1024, and actually has a PCI bus.

Let the hobbying begin? (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205687)

The "hobby" is now about 3GHz processors, lights and liquid cooling, recording your own DVDs, and multi-gigabit wireless connectivity.

I think I smell a horse on the wrong end of your cart.

Re:Let the hobbying begin? (1)

Rand Race (110288) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206023)

And the "hobby" in the automotive industry right now is nitrous, lights, video players, ugly paint and absurd aluminum wings. Do you think that means no one futzes around with old Stutz Bearcats any more?

Chicks Dig C64.. (1)

gorjusborg (603799) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205690)

Look at the pictures section !!

Proof positive that hot chix love C64... (and guys with mohawks and stuff)

Re:Chicks Dig C64.. (1)

JonWan (456212) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206049)

Dude, it was designed and built by a chick.
Her name is Jeri Ellsworth.

The most important question... (-1, Offtopic)

KillerHamster (645942) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205694)

Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?

Re:The most important question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205854)

Do I want to?

Shuttle videos ~ Please save and create mirrors.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205702)

Offtopic, but during this time of tragedy, I have uploaded a couple of clips of space shuttle breaking-up for the benefit of /. readers:

SHUTTLE VIDEOS

PLEASE SAVE THESE (right click and select "Save Target As" on IE) AND CREATE MIRRORS:

Shuttle breaking up (clip 1 of 2) [yahoo.com]

Shuttle breaking up (clip 2 of 2) [yahoo.com]

Hourly Bandwidth limited Mirror:
http://www.geocities.com/koodakabaada/ShuttleBre ak ingUp_1of2.rm

http://www.geocities.com/koodakabaada/ShuttleBre ak ingUp_2of2.rm

Lesser power (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205704)

The specs may not sound powerful but there is advantage of lesser power consumption. Might be a useful feature in some sort of niche application. (Application in the broader sense of the word.)

Economics (5, Insightful)

GeorgeK (642310) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205719)

This product seems to ignore economics. In particular, it would be less expensive to buy a standard PC and then emulate the Commodore 64 (and also be able to run lots of other standard software).

Perhaps their team could have used one more person with a business degree, and one less engineer, to figure this out....

.

Re:Economics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5206040)

Everyone already has a standard PC or three, and no one will want a Commodore One for the whizbang it won't provide. Emulation is cool for a round of Paradroid etc., but the point here is probably not to simply run old software on "real" hardware. After all, C64s are cheap (and durable, by comparison. I got a few for free, one of which must be 20 years old or so.) There's something to be said for the appeal of a relatively unconfusing and hackable architecture. I doubt anyone expects to get rich building these... (they don't, do they? Please?)

Re:Economics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5206079)

You're ignoring economics. The reality of economics states that not everyone is going to have the saavy to go and collect the parts. The parents of some kids who likes tinkering will happily buy him a kit like this.

Now all I need to do (1)

Eezy Bordone (645987) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205724)

Is find my ASCII PRON!

Why so big? (1)

Doctor Memory (6336) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205731)

You could build one of these with a couple ASICs and stick it in an enclosure the size of an external drive case. Hell, you could probably mount it directly to a floppy drive and stick it in a standard slot.

Dude - Life....Life - Dude (1)

FosterKanig (645454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205764)

Dude -> Life... Life -> Dude

About the C-one (1)

gorjusborg (603799) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205771)

FROM WEBSITE
What it is:

The Commodore One computer is a 2002 enhanced adaptation of the Commodore 64 -the most sold of any computer model (Guiness book of World Records)
While retaining almost all of the original's capabilities the Commodore One adds modern features, interfacing and capabilities and fills a sorely needed gap in the hobbyist computer market.

The estimated price will be only $200 USD.

(user will need to supply an ATX style case, ATX power supply, drive(s), PS/2 keyboard, mouse and SVGA capable monitor.)

Not good :( (5, Funny)

Some Bitch (645438) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205779)

This is a trend that MUST be stopped! You don't see the consequences, I DO! One day Windows 3.0 will be retro enough to be 'cool' and some bastard will resurrect it!

Stop it now before it's too late :(

Re:Not good :( (2, Informative)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205871)

Well, if you get a copy of WindowBlinds [windowblinds.net] , you can make your Windows 9x/2000/XP system look like Windows 3.1 ! :)

Re:Not good :( (1)

Some Bitch (645438) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205912)

Thank you for that snippet, I feel nauseous now :(

Wonder if there's anyone out there sick enough to make KDE look like Win 3.x...

Re:Not good :( (1)

tom420.com (629510) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206038)

What! Windows 3.x is outdated?? :P

Re:Not good :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5206068)

Nah, don't think anyone ever loved Windows (any version, even the fairly stable and usable ones like 2K/XP). C64s, Amigas, Spectrums and the like, however,... *swoon*

$200 USD? (1)

Treeluvinhippy (545814) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205787)

WTF, wouldn't this [ebay.com] be a better deal?

The only important question is.... (4, Funny)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205791)

...can I run Linux on it?

Re:The only important question is.... (2, Funny)

BabyDave (575083) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205817)

Come on, this is Slashdot - the important question is "Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of those?"

Honestly. Can't get the staff these days ...

Re:The only important question is.... (2, Interesting)

zzendpad (84506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205818)

no, but you can run lunix [sourceforge.net] on it.

Re:The only important question is.... (1)

JonWan (456212) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205948)

Not Linux, but when the ELKS project started there was some discussion on a 6502 version. The main problem is the 6502 isn't very 'C' friendly. There is a *nix like OS called ACE and one called Lunix both are pretty cool to use.

Re:The only important question is.... (1)

DoctorPepper (92269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206078)

...can I run Linux on it?

Nah, but I hear there's a port of NetBSD on the way...

Re:The only important question is.... (1)

tom420.com (629510) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206085)

What for? What need is here to run Linux on C64?? C64 came with it's own (very basic) integrated OS. What fun is it to have a newer version of the machine if you run a different OS on it? Remember: LOAD *,8,1 (or something like that :)

Linux on it? (1)

Esion Modnar (632431) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205804)

How long before somebody does this? Any bets?

Hm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205805)

I am Commodore, son of Alfred

Re:Hm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5206070)

Toast me.
I say you got to toast me!

Does it run LUnix? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205809)

Does it run LUnix [sourceforge.net] - the free UNIX clone for the original C64?

LNG is an operationg system primarly for the good old Commodore64 home-computer. There also is a native version for the successor Commodore128. Ports to other 6502/6510 driven 8Bit Computers are possible but not yet started. LUnix started in 1993 and reached the internet in 1994. In 1997 LUnix0.1 was rewritten from scratch, the result is LNG.

Features of LUnix [sourceforge.net] :
* Preemptive multitasking (up to 32 tasks, 7 priorities)
* Dynamic memory management (in chunks of 256 or 32 bytes)
* Runtime code relocation
* IPC (inter process communication) through pipes
* IPC through signals
* (minimal) REU support
* SCPU compatible
* Hardware stack swapping (C128 only)
* 256K RAM C128 compatible
* >30 standard applications available
* Support for standard RS232 userport interface
* Support for swiftlink RS232 interface
* Virtual consoles
* Hardware accelerated 80 columns console on C128 in C64 mode
* Native C128 version available
* (simple) command shell (with history function)
* Support for CBM (IEC bus) devices (e.g. 1541)
* Open source, comes with all needed (cross-) development tools
* Widely configurable for your needs
* LNG can be terminal and terminal server (RS232)
* Support for SLIP packet encapsulation over serial links
* Support for PPP (packet encapsulation) over serial links
* Loop back packet driver for off-line client-server trials
* TCP/IP stack (and clients for telnet, ftp and pop3
* A simple web server (experimental)
* Support for the DFC77 receiver (radio-transmitted time signal in europe/germany)
* Support for the Smart Watch Chip (another real time clock)
* Support for IDE64 RTC
* Support for IEC bus via 64net/2
* Support for o65 object format (experimental)
* Online help system
* ...

mods: do NOT rate the parent up - this is RMS-WARE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205926)

mods: do NOT rate the parent up - this is RMS-WARE!!!

C= 64 is dying! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205831)

C= 64 is dying!

err... no wait...

what about sinclair..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205844)

any plans to bring the old sinclair ZX spectrum alive? hmmmmm, I can only imagine what a Z80 based 64kb machine would look like in an ATX case.... they could even embed 2 tape players / recorders..... awesome....

Re:what about sinclair..... (2, Interesting)

MonTemplar (174120) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205990)

Even better... recreate a BBC Micro, with Co-Processor module on the same motherboard! The original dual-processor PC! (I should know, I owned such a beast long ago, AND I have a hard drive too. Was pensioned of to some guy at Herriot-Watt University, to go and do weather monitoring or suchlike out in the Outer Hebrides)

The scary part is, you'd probably have plenty of buyers for it too... :)

20MHz CPU and 50MHz system bus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205852)

20MHz CPU and 50MHz system bus
I found that amusing

Also the hard-wired 32MB RAM is split 50/50 between system and video

GEOS revival? (2, Interesting)

fuzzyscience (646580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205872)

Anybody fancy coding a brand new version of the mighty Geos to run on this beast?

long live the original desktop! (1)

Narcocide (102829) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206005)

damn i miss geos. i still wish it would run on my pc.

Be careful what you wish for. (1)

fuzzyscience (646580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206063)

Hey, why not replace your shell with the emulator executable?? Download an emulator and the Geos disk images, run it full screen, and you're away... GeoWrite until the wee hours of the mornin. (But dont forget to GeoSpell afterwards ;)

Re:long live the original desktop! (3, Interesting)

NaturePhotog (317732) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206124)

A demo version of GEOS, aka PC-GEOS, is available here [breadbox.com] . The original version was created by the same people who made Commodore GEOS over at (the soon to be defunct) Geoworks [geoworks.com] . My co-op project back in '89 was done on GeoProgrammer, as part of in-house testing for that environment.

In other news... (1)

xenoweeno (246136) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205885)

...the Vice emulator [t-online.de] , which emulates the C= 64, C= 128 (both 40 and 80 column modes), VIC-20, Pet, and CBM-II, is still free.

What's wrong with the original ones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205909)

--Huh?

Re:What's wrong with the original ones? (2, Funny)

fuzzyscience (646580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5205954)

Er...you want a list??

well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5205961)

I think its great. It makes us Amiga people look a little less silly trying to bring our machine back to life.. :)

I'd buy one just because it was designed by a cute girl nerd - and how many of those are there?

Re:well.. (2, Funny)

greywire (78262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206013)

It also finaly can end the Apple IIgs vs commodore war. This thing would kill a IIgs! So there! AHAHAHA!

A 65c816 eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5206009)

Hmm, I wonder how much work it would take to get Super Nintendo carts running on this thing. It's more than fast enough.
BTW Windows 3.1 > all. :p

Truth in advertising (1)

Meowing (241289) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206010)

excerpt from http://c64upgra.de/c-one/s_about.htm: " . . .fills a sorely needed gap in the hobbyist computer market."

'Nuff said.

Junis... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5206064)

...time to upgrade that vic-20 of yours.

Yeah but.... (1)

bernardos70 (613587) | more than 11 years ago | (#5206088)

But does it play Quake 3 in smooth 300fps?
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