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ReactOS 0.1.0 Released

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the and-for-your-39th-os dept.

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JasonFilby writes "ReactOS 0.1.0 has been released! ReactOS is an Open Source effort to develop a quality operating system that is compatible with Windows NT applications and drivers. In this release, among other new features and fixes, especially worth mentioning are the ability to boot from CD and self-hosting capabilities (ReactOS can be compiled on ReactOS)." ReactOS has been in progress for a while, often tied to other projects with the aim of seamlessly replacing Windows: you can download an image of Bochs 2.0 with ReactOS 0.1.0 preloaded from the download and changelog page.

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211451)

ha

GET SOME PRIORITIES!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211463)

The most horrible space tragedy in recorded history occured one day ago, and all you people can do is talk about whether ReactOS 0.1.0 is released? My *god*, folks, get some priorities here!

Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211467)

Been in touch with any of the wreckage?

Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES!!! (0, Offtopic)

henkieboy (601992) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211534)

In the rest of the world this weekend:

Between 25 and 50 die in Lagos, Nigeria.
40 die in Zimbabwe train crash.
Seven teenagers die in Canadian avalanche.
China hotel fire kills 33.

Nobody deservers to die, neither by accident, during space flights or war. But apparently the world keeps turning, and so should you.

-- yes I know this is offtopic, I'm sorry --

Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211632)

nigeria, zimbabwe, canada? those must be operating systems, right? i live in the united states, what happens to poor, bloated children in teh third world is sally struthers' problem, not mine. take your political hogwash elsewhere, troll.

Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211884)

Some people, rhymes with sinus, deserve to die horrible deaths.

Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211699)

Damnit! Beat me to it!

Re:GET SOME PRIORITIES!!! (1)

jasonditz (597385) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211850)

Indeed, what we really need to do is get in our individual phantom cruisers and head into orbit to take care of the villainous blue-haired alien what done it, right?

heh (0, Informative)

SnAzBaZ (572456) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211469)

In this release, among other new features and fixes, especially worth mentioning are the ability to boot from CD and self-hosting capabilities

That's not what it says on the site:

The next release, coming before the month is out, will feature: booting from CD and self-hosting

Someone didn't read the submission before posting it...

Re:heh (1)

SnAzBaZ (572456) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211485)

And before someone points out that you can get these changes via the CVS, that's not the same as being in the proper release. And definitly not what it says in the post.

Re:heh (3, Informative)

no reason to be here (218628) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211489)

looks like you didn't read the website before posting either:

11th January 2003: ReactOS now has CD Booting and Self-hosting capabilities!
The next release, coming before the month is out, will feature: booting from CD and self-hosting (ReactOS can be compiled on ReactOS). For the impatient, see the developer tutorials (under Documents) on how to check out the latest from CVS and compile the source!


todyas date: feb. 2

Re:heh (1)

SnAzBaZ (572456) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211510)

Ah well, I read it backwards, oldest to newest.

Re:heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211546)

sure, but does it run minesweeper? that's all i really care about.

what did you expect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211683)

These are barely janitors who run the site. Read the submissions and copy/paste it to the front page. Real complicated. Thats how a goatse.cx link got slipped into the main page before.

We have an embarrassment of riches here (-1, Flamebait)

TerryAtWork (598364) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211472)

How many Operating Systems do we actually need?

Re:We have an embarrassment of riches here (2, Interesting)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211501)

from the and-for-your-39th-os dept.
;-)

This could be useful for people who don't want to fork out for NT/have to use MS products...

And finally, <stupid_comment>Oh look! An MS ad!</stupid_comment>

Re:We have an embarrassment of riches here (5, Funny)

Subcarrier (262294) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211513)

How many Operating Systems do we actually need?

Three OS for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.
One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.

Re:We have an embarrassment of riches here (1)

Ryan Stortz (598060) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211558)

Dude it's...

Three Rings for the Microsoft-Developers under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-VPs in their halls of stone,
Nine for IIS System Administrators doomed to die,
One for Steve Ballmer on his dark throne
In the land of Redmond where shadows lie.
One Application to rule them all, One Palladium to authenticate them,
On Application to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Redmond where Shadows lie.

Re:We have an embarrassment of riches here (2, Funny)

skryche (26871) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211599)

How many Operating Systems do we actually need?

IKIGTGMDFTB:

Just one good one.

(Still waiting...)

Re:We have an embarrassment of riches here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211919)

We need version 0.1 of a ten year old, discontinued Micro$oft operating system. For your further information, Gnu/DOS, an M$-DOS clone, is almost alpha. That is a testament to the power of Open Source, I think.

unf! (0)

2057 (600541) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211473)

this sounds amazing but is it true? cannot wait to download and boot on my ole 486!

You Monsters! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211492)

How can you care about something as trivial as ReactOS when 7 astronauts are dead and our nation is on the brink of war. Is America really that heartless and indifferent? If so, I'm quickly losing what little faith in humanity I had remaining.

Re:You Monsters! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211505)

Ow grow up please... News is news and life goes on. Informing folks on other stuff doesn't mean we don't care...

Re:You Monsters! (0, Funny)

eGabriel (5707) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211569)

Yeah, because every news portal in the world has to repeat every small detail given by the same 5 sources. Not doing so is just callous and rude. I really need Slashdot to be my portal to CNN. CNN doesn't have Thinkgeek ads.

I guess it's just best to drop everything, and go back to bed. It's true that if Slashdot posted more information about the space tragedy and the war, both war and space tragedy would be averted in the future, and the world would be safe and happy again.

Stopping development of operating systems would help too; most space tragedies and wars are indeed caused by announcements of early point releases of free OS code.

Mod this parent up. It's some really deep stuff.

***TROLL ALERT*** (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211693)

my g0d you moderaters are a bunch of faggots.

the spaCE shuttLE is/was a TURD.

TRoLL.

Slashdot and OSNews.com (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211493)

Okay, so I know that OSNews.com and Slashdot are mirrors of each other, but what I can't figure out is which is the mirror and which is the original.

Re:Slashdot and OSNews.com (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211515)

don't give osnews that much credit

it's easy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211555)

slashdot is never original.

But Windows NT is not 2k... (4, Interesting)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211494)

From the site, the focus seems to be on 4.0, not 2K/XP. While this will be great for those who have a huge amount of time and effort invested in implimenting an NT4.0 environment, it doesn't make much sense for someone who has migrated to 2K/XP to move back to ReactOS.

I do think this is really cool though, and I plan to keep my eye on this. With any luck it'll come far enough to start implimenting 2k/Xp compatibility.

Re:But Windows NT is not 2k... (5, Insightful)

rodgerd (402) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211531)

NT 4 is a good, stable target that encompasses the bulk of the Win32 API that is also in Win2k and WinXP. Once they've got that right, rolling forward to Win2K and up should be trivial - getting the basic microkernel and servers right will likely be the hard part.

Re:But Windows NT is not 2k... (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211571)

I recently dug out my old P133, and booted to NT4.0 to remove the contents of the hard disk before installing a real OS (FreeBSD). I was amazed. NT4.0 is actually fast on that kind of hardware (subjectively as fast as Win2K or Linux/Gnome on a 1GHz Athlon). If ReactOS can produce this level of performance along with application compatibility with later versions of windows it will definitely have a place.

Re:But Windows NT is not 2k... (3, Insightful)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211679)

I did kinda think about the exact same thing.. though I guess it could be useful for people who are still running legacy NT4 systems, and want a system that will be continually updated and patched long after Microsoft finish supporting NT4.. which they are trying to do real soon.

NT4 amazingly works very well for some people, and people don't see the need to go through expensive training and migration to Windows 2000 or Server 2003 if NT4 does the job.

Win NT clone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211507)

to develop a quality operating system that is compatible with Windows NT applications and drivers
They will need to emulate all the Win NT to have a real replacement. :)

Change the name (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211509)

..to RectOS

Hmm. What's the point ? (0)

Brane2 (608748) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211512)

AFAIK Win NT's almost whole purpose is for network applications, and here Unix rules anyway... Wine and FreeDOS are getting better by the day for API emulation for DOS/WIndows applications, so why is it so important to have this ? O.K. There are some heavy weight applications that require Win2K or better, but those things are so expensive that a few extra bucks for OS shouldn't kill anyone...

Re:Hmm. What's the point ? (1)

Bobas (581631) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211785)

Sometimes people don't need a reason. They need a goal.

no gui (1, Informative)

io333 (574963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211517)

It took me a while to figure out from their site (as it is being /.ed), but this OS has *no* GUI whatsoever, and I havn't seen any serious discussion of plans to implement one. While this is an interesting concept, for 99.9% of computer users ReactOS is nothing more than an interesting experiment.

Re:no gui (2, Funny)

Zemran (3101) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211556)

Anyone that wants NT4 with a GUI front end could always try NT4 from Microsoft.

Re:no gui (2, Insightful)

slaker (53818) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211565)

I don't know. I see headless NT boxes from time to time. They make pretty good routers and web servers, after all. A "free" machine that could run IIS would be a killer in some Windows shops.

Re: no gui (2, Insightful)

Antity (214405) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211601)

A "free" machine that could run IIS would be a killer in some Windows shops.

And remember that it's already hard to buy new NT4 licenses and it will become even harder when MS completely stops selling them (except from eBay, of course).

Yes, a free (as in bird, not as in Willy) replacement for NT4 could save quite a lot of companies that did "embedded NT4" and the like on their products until they had time to reimplement it for something less braindead.

Re: no gui (2, Insightful)

kalidasa (577403) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211806)

A "free" machine that could run IIS would be a killer in some Windows shops.

And how, exactly, would this be possible? IIS is not a separate product from Windows.

Re: no gui (1)

Antity (214405) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211895)

Ask "slaker", since it's him (or her) who wrote this.

Re:no gui (2, Insightful)

psych031337 (449156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211714)

I don't know. I see headless NT boxes from time to time. They make pretty good routers and web servers, after all. A "free" machine that could run IIS would be a killer in some Windows shops.


Excuse my pessimistic bashing, but how would one proceed in "configuring" the IIS or other apps. This would basically only allow running software specifically designed for command-line use (like a seti-client :) ) on this box. 95% of NT4 software is relying on a clickety-click setup.

And with these real NT4 headless boxes - well there's always VNC, which will allow to setup and administer the box as if you were actually sitting in front of it woth mon/key/mouse attached.

Configuration doable. (1)

dmaxwell (43234) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211909)

The clickety click apps are all twiddling registry keys. Even a console-only variant of NT would need a registry. ini files are a holdover from the 2.x-3.x days. Even services (read daemons) on NT family operating systems are configured from the registry. It would only be necessary to have alternative utilities to do the registry twiddling (well there would be the small matter of intercepting GUI calls.....). For that matter, tools like REG.EXE already exist but aren't commonly employed. Something like curses could be used to make console-style wizards that use things like REG.EXE to install services.

I don't think administration from a console is insurmountable. The registry is just a database and those can be manipulated just fine without a GUI. The fact that most Windows programs expect a GUI to be running is more problimatical. Those calls have to be intercepted and presented in a way appropriate for a console. The complexity of that is comparable to the various WINE forks. It may be simpler to just provide a GUI.

Re:no gui (2, Interesting)

CaptainBaz (621098) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211717)

If they were 'free', where would the IIS license come from?

iis license (1)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211753)

I get told off from pro-Windows people that 'IIS is free!' whenever price comes up. Presumably you'd be able to take whatever resource packs/service packs/option packs with IIS on them (remember, it doesn't come with the operating system, it's an 'option') and just install them on another platform, if the binaries would run.

Re:iis license (2)

CaptainBaz (621098) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211837)

I think the EULA for those resource/service/option packs would probably state that you're only allowed to use it with a legal copy of Windows. Or perhaps not - maybe this is the one thing they forgot to add in there :-)

Re:no gui (5, Informative)

jx100 (453615) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211634)

yes, no gui whatsoever [reactos.com] ...

Re:no gui (1)

ndogg (158021) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211636)

There isn't any serious discussion right now on it because they still have a lot of work to do on the more low-level stuff.

Re:no gui (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211687)

More like 0.000001% of computer users ReactOS is nothing more than an interesting experiment. The rest of them don't even know what the fuck ReactOS is.

legal trouble ahead? (4, Interesting)

MobyTurbo (537363) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211518)

I wonder if ReactOS, if they become successful, might end up in a bit of legal trouble from Microsoft. I'm sure MS has patents and copyrights up the wazoo on Windows NT, and is not afraid to take advantage of them. Remember how they arrogantly sued the company they bought MS-DOS from out of existence because they were worried they would add multitasking to it? Even though that company had some contractual rights to the IP MS purchased from them, which ReactOS hasn't.

Re:legal trouble ahead? (4, Informative)

halftrack (454203) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211655)

React OS isn't written based on Windows NT code so a lawsuit could be hard. In addititon Microsoft isn't all that heavy on suing people that tries to make MS stuff cross platform compatible. Wine, WineX, Crossover, Dosemu, Mono, countless .doc loaders/converters have been left pretty much untouched. I guess that's because they're not really seeking to profit/performe on Microsofts R&D rather supply an alternative.

Lindows however who MS saw as a marketing threat since their sort of trying market and sell something that looks and souncs like Windows.

Re:legal trouble ahead? (1)

MobyTurbo (537363) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211791)

React OS isn't written based on Windows NT code so a lawsuit could be hard.
This does not apply to patents.
In addititon Microsoft isn't all that heavy on suing people that tries to make MS stuff cross platform compatible. Wine, WineX, Crossover, Dosemu, Mono, countless .doc loaders/converters have been left pretty much untouched. I guess that's because they're not really seeking to profit/performe on Microsofts R&D rather supply an alternative.
That is precisely what ReactOS seems to aim for, as you say "an alternative", not a mere inefficient emulator or document convertor that helps support MS's dominance, but a clone. Assuming this ever progresses past the toy stage, MS will certainly try to keep people from using it; and if legal means, such as patents they have on NT, are the way to do it, they'll do it.

Not even (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211519)

Doesn't even run windows apps, only console. Not interesting.

Does this use Wine? (-1)

angelkey (590280) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211520)

Or will Wine merge into it somehow? Is this emulation? I mean really, 2K/XP compatibility is pretty much the grail for the Wine project. How are these guys pulling it off? Is this even Linux based?

Sheeesh.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211521)

If you thought Mono was a legal minefield, this is has to be akin to strinking and flicking matches in dynamite wharehouse.

Re:Sheeesh.. (5, Funny)

21mhz (443080) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211656)

...in dynamite wharehouse.

It's properly spelled worehouse.

Re:Sheeesh.. (1)

alexburke (119254) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211684)

I read that as a dynamite whorehouse, LOL.

Re:Sheeesh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211730)

Strinking? Is that something like lighting a match with a fart or something?

screenshots? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211535)

Where are the screenshots?

Oh, that's why.

This isn't going to replace Windows anytime soon if it doesn't have a graphical interface of any sort.

Re:screenshots? (5, Funny)

sheean.nl (565364) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211709)

Oh, you can see the ads already:

ReactOS..

Windows, but without the pretty windows to click on.

Re:screenshots? (1)

termos (634980) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211745)

If you would look at the webpage, there IS screenshots. here [reactos.com] , here [reactos.com] , here [reactos.com] and here [reactos.com] .
The GUI looks just like the XP GUI, and to me, it looks neat.

Re:screenshots? (1)

ActiveSX (301342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211872)

I certainly hope you realize that those are all screenshots of ReactOS [reactos.com] running under Bochs [sf.net] running under Windows XP [scientology.org] . Only the second image [reactos.com] shows off the ReactOS GUI, which seems to be a WINE [winehq.com] derivative.

Re:screenshots? (1)

FrankNFurter (89904) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211915)

And if you had looked closer, you would have noticed that the XP GUI comes from the emulator (Bochs) they used to run ReactOS in for the screenshots. Only the 3rd screenshot shows kind of a ReactOS GUI, which looks like Windows 3.1 with Windows 95 window buttons and generally like a very early alpha.

Re:screenshots? (1)

brianjcain (622084) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211780)

Well, if it's binary compatible with other win32 platforms, you could just copy over your favorite shell (most people use explorer.exe). There are ports of XFree86 for win32, too. Voila, instant graphical interface.

Could it be merged with wine?? (5, Interesting)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211561)

While this is cool a bunch of guys with time on their hands figured out how to get binary compatility with NT, the one thing that holds people to NT now(XP/2k) is the direct X layer between hardware and OS.

It's still a pretty good feat though and is noteworthy of frontpage news. If the authors are reading would you mind answering a few questions?
1. What timeline do the authors see for adding a directX layer?
2. Do you forsee using the wineX code for reference or will you rewrite it from scratch?

Re:Could it be merged with wine?? (5, Informative)

JasonFilby (100501) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211609)

We are already trying to port low level windowing code were possible from WINE. Efforts are already underway to make sharing code for higher level DLLs easy. DirectX will be another area to cooperate.

Cheers
Jason

Embedded systems? (3, Interesting)

Autonymous Toaster (646656) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211566)

Is this actually intended to supplant Windows on the desktop, or is it more aimed at small embedded systems? Or alternately, is there a parallel project that aims to replace Windows CE for the latter? I know there are a lot of similarities between NT4 and CE.

I am not personally a fan or a "user" (hah!) of Windows, but I have...friends...who might be interested in a "sidegrade" to an open-source embedded OS which is WinCE compatible. If nothing else we might be able to improve the security and reliability of embedded applications that have already been developed for Microsoft OSes. There is nothing worse than a small, single-purpose appliance - say for making toast - that can't perform reliably because the underlying OS is faulty, or constantly requires patches to assure peace of mind (hah!).

Re:Embedded systems? (5, Interesting)

JasonFilby (100501) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211654)

Although we aren't expressly targeting embedded, it is an option. However, I'd say ReactOS would make the biggest impact on the desktop.

Cheers
Jason

How can this possibly be usefull? (1)

nicsterrr (529317) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211576)

Wouldn't the world be a better place if these developers exercised their talents on a piece of software that was truely beneficial to the community?

Despite the quality and feature rich nature of many open-source projects, there are still loads of important projects waiting to be written. This project seems like a waste of good programmers to me.

Re: How can this possibly be useful? (4, Interesting)

Antity (214405) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211671)

Despite the quality and feature rich nature of many open-source projects, there are still loads of important projects waiting to be written. This project seems like a waste of good programmers to me.

I know quite some people with this attitude, and I'm afraid that most of them Just Don't Get It.

Most of the people writing Open Source software are doing it because they like to do it. That's all.

If somebody is doing something special just for the fun of it, you can't just kick him and say: "That's of no use for anybody, why don't you just do $THIS instead?"

Won't work at all if he's not interested in doing $THIS. Things just don't work this way. And this is a Good Thing[tm].

And, coming back to your question, no, the world wouldn't be a better place. :-) Definitely no.

[Footnote and rant: Maybe I should send good ol' George W. a mail asking him to do something different because that would make much more sense for everybody else than what he's doing at the moment. But I'm afraid this won't work either. He just likes what he's doing ATM too much, I'd guess.]

Re: How can this possibly be useful? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211875)

Maybe I should send good ol' George W. a mail asking him to do something different because that would make much more sense for everybody else than what he's doing at the moment. But I'm sense for everybody else than what he's doing at the moment. But I'm afraid this won't work either. He just likes what he's doing ATM too much, I'd guess.

Also, that would be helping the terrorists.

Re:How can this possibly be usefull? (3, Insightful)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211727)

This is useful because it is an effort to commoditize another little piece of the foundations of the Windows/Office monopoly. As an industry matures, more of its parts get commoditized, and costs drop towards the marginal cost of production (which in the case of software is near zero).

Microsoft has been able to buck this trend for over a decade with their unique mix of copyrights, trade secrets and customers locked into large investments of Win32/Office data and code. Microsoft competes on cost, but not against other companies. It competes against its customers' barriers to exiting the Windows corral. Each project that can create a new crack in those barriers reduces the cost Microsoft can charge for their software, thus saving money for the public at large.

Bravo! Heres some free Windows software (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211579)

although its a good start to replace windows in some shape or form you might want to use some OSS to go with the OS.

http://www.theopencd.org/about.php

Whoa (2, Funny)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211593)

Microsoft Word XP, watch [reactos.com] your back!

Don't forget to visit *nix.org [starnix.org] .

The OS world from the 'GO' perspective (4, Interesting)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211602)

This announcement of this OS may seem interesting, but if you play the endlessly fascinating game of Go, your insight can become more balanced. For example, When Microsoft was well on the way of total OS dominance, it was as if the board had many stones, but all in one corner. Then Linus Torvalds, almost absentmindedly, played a stone in the opposite corner that was mostly vacant and Microsoft and the rest of the world ignored it, so Linus played a few more stones. Soon there was a formidable structure that Microsoft and the rest of the world couldn't ignore. And that's where we are today. Now ReactOS comes along and plays a stone, but no matter where the stone is placed on the OS board, the position is weak.

BTM

Re:The OS world from the 'GO' perspective (2, Funny)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211751)

Good analogy... especially with the x-y axis as a measurement of the relationship between linux and windows. Now, expand the game of Go into the third dimension, with 19 levels of 19x19 square GO boards. (19^3 instead of 19^2). Perhaps this new stone is being played in the opposite corner from linux and windows, which is currently mostly vacant, and the rest of the world will ignore it until it reaches version 1.0...

Orthogonality, folks... use it; love it...

Re:The OS world from the 'GO' perspective (1)

ActiveSX (301342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211891)

3D Go? Sir, you just melted my brain...

Is this a worthwhile project? (5, Insightful)

BrianUofR (143023) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211617)

I certainly don't want to start a flamewar here, but I'm not sure if I think this is a useful product. It sounds like the objective of this project is to create a free clone of Windows NT, so people have choice. In order for this to be useful, I need to be able to install an app on either Windows NT 4.0 or ReactOS X.Y, and have the application not know the difference, right?

In order to make that work, the OS must look the same to the app. That means APIs and, at a higher level, the architecture, has to be the same. The reason we don't run any Windows NT based systems in production is that the architecture is flawed. It's a desktop OS with "enterprise" features tacked on. The fundamental architecture of NT is why it sucks, in my mind. To emulate that, even if you give it away for free, doesn't solve the security issues, the performance issues, etc etc.

I have a lot of respect for these guys, kernel hacking from the ground up is tough stuff, but I'd rather see them contributing their talent to the Linux or BSD projects rather than copying a flawed architecture.

Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.

No, not really, you gay nigger faggot. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211706)

At least not as worthwhile as the White Power movement.

WHITE POWER

TRoLL.

Re:Is this a worthwhile project? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211885)

I don't think that's the problem; weak architecture or no, if people use it a free alternative is a good idea.

The problem with an NT workalike is that soon very few people will actually be using NT. It's kind of like those ambitious DOS projects.

What are the odds? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211619)

What's the over/under on this being yet another OSS project that never reaches 1.0?

Uses FreeDOS (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211627)

FWIW, some parts of ReactOS use FreeDOS [freedos.org] components. For example, the ReactOS cmd.exe is based on the FreeDOS "FreeCOM" (the FreeDOS command.com).

Thought you'd like to know. If you're interested in the DOS parts of ReactOS, you're probably better off to download FreeDOS [freedos.org] , which is more stable & mature anyway.

Isn't .NET replacing windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211630)

Being a truly remarkable revolution in software and all.

XFree86 for ReactOS (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211633)

How hard would it be to port XFree86 to ReactOS? It would give you an instant GUI. OS/2 has XFree86, so it would seem ReactOS could have it too. It doesn't have to be the only GUI, but it would add a ton of functionality to ReactOS.

Re:XFree86 for ReactOS (1)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211660)

How hard would it be to port XFree86 to ReactOS? It would give you an instant GUI. OS/2 has XFree86, so it would seem ReactOS could have it too. It doesn't have to be the only GUI, but it would add a ton of functionality to ReactOS.


Pretty easy. Just run it using Cygwin! *GRIN*

Re:XFree86 for ReactOS (1)

dknj (441802) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211793)

I'm sure performance will be of concern here, so why would X even be considered? Atheos, a young and immature OS, has it's own GUI and its speed can blow XF86 out of the water. How about some realistic goals? Port the XF86 drivers to ReactOS (that way instead of ripping out an entire GUI to roll your own, you can just replace the drivers).

-dk

Re:XFree86 for ReactOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211664)

Instant shit, you mean. Another OS using XFree86 to provide a not-even half-ass GUI system. Great. Try writing something fast and a decent window manager on top of it.

Re:XFree86 for ReactOS (0)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211698)

I believe what you're looking for is called Linux + WINE.

Why don't these guys just add Windows NT compatibility to WINE? (I'm not a Linux guru, but it's my understanding that WINE emulates the 9x API, correct?)

Re:XFree86 for ReactOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211771)

To be brief, no thanks!!!

XFree86: The reason that so many people (mistakenly) believe X11 sucks.

Re:XFree86 for ReactOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211774)

NO!!! NO!!!

For the love of God, no.

This just proves a point (1)

KingDaveRa (620784) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211647)

So far, this is just to prove a point. Its what comes from this that could be useful. I forsee a lot of the technology from this ending up in WINE for one reason or another.

As a standalone piece of software though, its not a lot of use.

important news (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211659)

slashdot janitors hit with ass-slammer virus. No more posts until tomorrow.

The Columbia had Linux onboard (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211666)

and is no doubt the reason the shuttle crashed. You open source people are monsters and terrorists. I hope the Department of Homeland Security arrests Linus Torvaldes, Alan Cocks, and the rest of you free (terrorist) software dorks and puts you all into ovens to die like the astronauts you people murdered.

You people are sick monsters.

Possible Trademark Problems (2, Informative)

matastas (547484) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211726)

The guys working ReactOS might want to be careful. Spirent Communications has a product called REACT, very popular in the systems/OSS world for testing large communications system. And it's a software product. Were this to ever be popular, they might have some problems with it, figuring the way big companies love to sue nowadays.

Do a little homework before picking those cool names, folks. Save you a lot of pain down the road.

WINE / X11 (0, Troll)

facelessnumber (613859) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211729)

Anyone else notice from one of the screenshots on the website that this thing appears to be using WINE and X11 to run GUI Windows apps? Check it out... [reactos.com]

Be wary of trolls. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211746)

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what a joke (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5211755)

ReactOS is an Open Source effort to develop a quality operating system that is compatible with Windows NT applications and drivers

Hehehe. Neeeevvvveerrrrr gonna happen. Hehehehahahaha.

Senseless. (3, Interesting)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211760)

First off, this is "supposed" to be a drop in replacement for Windows NT 4.0. Why? Even Microsoft is trying to abandon NT 4.0.

But, Ok you want a drop in replacement for NT 4.0. So, where is the GUI? There is no GUI. Second, but perhaps most importantly, where is the file system support. This thing uses FAT32. Windows NT 4.0 can use FAT32 but, its primary file system is NTFS.

How can they possibly call it a seamless replacement for NT 4.0 with no GUI and no NTFS file system. I'm sorry but, renaming FreeDos utilities to try to emulate the CMD.EXE shell is hardly a substitute for NT 4.0 and I won't even mention Windows 2000.

Re:Senseless. (3, Insightful)

JasonFilby (100501) | more than 11 years ago | (#5211803)

Perhaps you missed the part where its written "Version 0.1.0".
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