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uClinux Ported to the iPod

pudge posted more than 11 years ago | from the dang-that-sure-is-neat dept.

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ucdot writes "Here is the announcement for a port of uClinux to the Apple iPod, checkout the project page for extra details. Currently the frame buffer, audio and IDE devices are working. Still plenty of work to do."

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Common RPN Misconceptions (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221797)

I already know algerbraic. Why should I bother learning a new system?

Because RPN has many advantages. It's quicker, requires less keystrokes and you no longer have to match brackets

But RPN is a pain in the neck!

No. Most RPN users agree that RPN is easier then algerbraic. For instance:

2* (4 + 7) =

is:

4 Enter 7 + 2 *

What's going on here? you are using a stack. Typing 4 then enter puts 4 on the stack. typing 7 + adds 7 to the stack. 2 * multiplies the result by 2. Not only is it easy, but you have saved 2 keystrokes already. now, let's take the square root of the answer:

ALG: sqr ans = 3 keystrokes
RPN: sqr 1 keystroke

Easy!

So, RPN is faster? Why?

Well, 2 reasons. Firstly it takes less keystrokes. Secondly, you no longer have to match brackets. This saves a lot of time

Why would I bother? RPN is as dead as *BSD

No, There Is A New Hope (TM)! HP is reviving their calculator line! Check out comp.sys.hp48 for details or check out this Press Release [yahoo.com]

hang on, if I make a typo I lose my work!

No. You have an 'undo' key

But I can't see my working!

yes you can. The HP4x series of calculators show full symbolic working

Re:Common RPN Misconceptions (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221805)

Yay! I got first post for the glory of the HP RPN empire! Die rebel TI Scum!

Re:Common RPN Misconceptions (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221821)

I want them to bring back the HP42. That is a sensible calculator. RPN of course, but slim and easy to fit into your pocket. Not like those chunky 48sx etc. HP, hear me -- bring back the HP42.

uClinux... (0, Troll)

Big Mark (575945) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221798)

You see Linux, I see *BSD!

-Mark

Re:uClinux... (1, Redundant)

passion (84900) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222275)

Or, how about an even more specific future -> Darwin (which is a type of BSD)

And this is useful, how? (1, Insightful)

mikeophile (647318) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221803)

I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I really am curious. The links are a bit light on the practical side of it.

Re:And this is useful, how? (3, Funny)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221812)

Ogg vorbis support via Tremor decoder, for one.

Or you can install apache on it and serve webpages. It'll still be more stable than IIS.

Re:And this is useful, how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221830)

And why should I be interested in Ogg when all P2P music swapping is done in MP3 format which is the de facto standard?

Re:And this is useful, how? (2, Interesting)

am 2k (217885) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221833)

Easy: Half-sized music at very good quality means more music on my small iPod-hard drive.

Re:And this is useful, how? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221916)

Well your not thinking outside the box, too bad the files can't exsist out side the box either. Look at the mess you've gotten yourself into stuck in a box like that. Your a natural bubble boy.

Re:And this is useful, how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5222110)

Well your not thinking outside the box

Your message makes no sense.

Re:And this is useful, how? (1)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221874)

I don't think someone running Linux at all, or Linux on the ipod is interessetd in de facto standards.

Re:And this is useful, how? (1)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222019)

I always preferred UDP, myself.
--
Wink Wink Nudge Nudge Say No More!

Re:And this is useful, how? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221847)

first off, I don't see that this has been done for anything other than a bit of fun. the pleasure of the hack. However, going a bit further... ...part of the iPods appeal to me is the multipurpose aspect. It's not just a music player, it's a -fast- external HD. Now that's well and good, but more features never hurt.

Adding in the possibility of tcp over firewire gives you, essentially, an entire portable linux box that's a good sized firewire HD, music player, and terminal-accessible machine with a battery life measured in DAYS.

That doesn't mean it could ever completely replace a good laptop for example, but to me a lot of the little uses of a piece of hardware are those that go beyond what it was designed/made/intended for.

It is what it is, and someone shall find a use for it. And it's cool :)

Re:And this is useful, how? (3, Insightful)

'The '.$L3mm1ng (584224) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221880)

Once you have control over the OS you can run almost any software you want on it. You could turn it into a complete organizer, not just a portable audio player and storage device.

Re:And this is useful, how? (4, Insightful)

drunkenbatman (464281) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221935)

And this is useful, how?

What a curious statement... I bet they had a lot of fun creating it and learned a ton in the process. Since when does hacking something have to be useful? :)

It didn't exist before, and they made it exist, even if all it will ever do is show the penguin logo. Kudos to them.

At the same time, you could fit a lot of iPods in a server rack...

Re:And this is useful, how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221940)

"A Beowulf cluster in your pocket".

go apple :D

Re:And this is useful, how? (3, Funny)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222056)

The ultimate is efficient servers, barely larger than the hard drives inside them - having only one cable acting as both data and power, capable of being stacked 595 to a standard 42U rack, giving and incredible density of almost 12 terabytes, double that if you use a back-to-back storage configuration.

Yes, the iPodServe is the most incredible, albeit expensive, server technology available. At just under $300,000 per 42U rack, you couldn't manage more if you had the staff to do so.

Re:And this is useful, how? (1)

iM (229414) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222174)

less on iPod! reading books on the iPod screen! :-) YES!

first port (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221806)

first fucking post!

Unbelievable (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221808)

Ruined a perfectly good iPod with that penguin crap.

Ogg support (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221810)

It plays Ogg at about 80% realtime - hopefully not too long before that's up to 100% and an iPod will become acceptable to open source fasc^H^H^H ^H advocates.

ph33r netbsd (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221811)

ph33r netbsd, that's a field you haven't put your hands on. Oh well, you may have accomplished compatibility with my refrigerator, but the ice desposer is still buggy!

Suck cock (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221813)

I will suck cock for £10.

please pull my iPud (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221815)

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

Re:please pull my iPud (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221838)

Dear Father Randy,

I have this fantasy of seducing straight guys into having wild gay sex and turning them eventually into full-fledged flaming homosexuals.

Can you give me advice on how to approach a straight guy and convince him to try gay sex with me at least once? I am sure that my fabulous cocksucking skills will do the rest.

Re:please pull my iPud (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221876)

Some advice from a straight guy who did have sex with a man once:

1) Look neat and clean but not "homosexual".
2) Do not touch or fondle him in public. Just talk.
3) If possible, go to his place. He'll feel more secure there.
4) Don't ask him to do anything. Start with a handjob while watching a TV, for instance. Oral sex later on. Any anal play is definitely not recommended. If he wants to try something, encourage him.
5) Make him feel secure in that you will not talk about you two with anyone without permission.

Had gay sex but is still straight? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221908)

Uh... maybe I'm confused, but how can you be a straight guy if you had gay sex?

As a uClinux developer, and an avid iPod hacker .. (2, Interesting)

torpor (458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221816)

... this seriously rocks!

All thats needed now is a port of libogg, and away we go! Well done Bernhard!!!

Alternative lifestyle (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221826)

Dear Sirs,

I am an open-minded young man with a fabulous body and drugfree mind. While I am heterosexual, I am interested in experiencing sex with another man. Will Apple computers and accessories help me in getting my cock sucked by a handsome IT geek?

Impressive (1, Interesting)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221827)

Now this is an impressive development.

The iPod can be improved dramatically with custom configurations the likes of which couldn't be done before.

Along with correct Ogg support, comes full control over a very good piece of hardware inside. It's a pity about the lack of features on the buttons at the front, but I'm sure a good coder can knock up something useful from that. Perhaps even a firewire keyboard hack to help searching tunes?

This will give Apple a run for their money.

Re:Impressive (5, Funny)

Carthag (643047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221888)

This will give Apple a run for their money.

How so? You still need to actually buy the iPod from Apple...

Re:Impressive (2, Insightful)

Rcknight (640267) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221899)

This will give Apple a run for their money.

I dont see your logic there, u need an ipod to run it on, Apple still get the money.

Re:Impressive (1)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221901)

Well there will of course be competition for the OS it is running. You can run apples own software or you can run uClinux which will have more features. To compete apple will have to continuously add more features to the iPod to stay competitive.

Re:Impressive (4, Insightful)

troc (3606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221928)

not really..... Apple are fundamentally a hardware company, they only have software on the iPod so people will buy an iPod. They probably don't really mind what software people run s long as it's an iPod that Apple sold 'em ;)

They can't even be pushing Mac-only compatibility as they sell a Windows version etc etc.

So will Apple be miffed if you buy an iPod and install a random os on it? I doubt it, just like they don't send the boys round when you buy a Mac an install Yellow Dog or something.

Troc

Re:Impressive (2, Insightful)

xenocytekron (586678) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221930)

Whether you put a new OS on it or not, the OS that Apple puts on (which is made by Pixo [pixo.com] by the way) will be on before you even buy it. You'll be paying Apple the same amount no matter what you do.

Re:Impressive (1)

Kplusplus (617856) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221945)

Prove it. Many people say that Apple doesn't make the software for the iPod but I have yet to see one shred of evidence saying that. I am well aware that the chip in the iPod is made by another company who does make software to go with said chip, but I don't see the likelihood of handing off the OS to be made by someone else, especially not from Apple's perspective on all things UI.

Re:Impressive (-1, Troll)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221946)

This sounds a monopolistic practice to me. Doesn't it deny choice for consumers? Apple is forcing people to their system, their way of doing things and in the end their way of thought. That smells bad.

What is it with hypocrisy in this country? We prosecute one company for a monopoly and another does the same but because they're smaller and out of the way it's ok?

The more and more I think about apple the angrier I get. Sometimes they come out with some good hardware that makes me impressed but their actions then put them back down in the gutter

Re:Impressive (2, Insightful)

ecki (115356) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221980)

I don't know where to start but let's just say that Apple certainly doesn't have a monopoly on portable MP3 players. If you don't like their way, just buy any other MP3 player... maybe I didn't get the irony in your post?

Re:Impressive (1)

Carthag (643047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222005)

Ah. So preloading your own OS on your own hardware is a monopolistic practice. Think about that one for a second. (Apple, Tivo, Rio, Nokia, Ericsson, Nintendo, Sony, Palm, Amiga - all huge oppressive monopolies).

Re:Impressive (1)

DJPenguin (17736) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222025)

Are you going to complain to Hyundai because you can't install Ford's software on the engine computer? Not trying to troll, but I guess there is a line somewhere between PC's and embedded apps.

Re:Impressive (1)

Graymalkin (13732) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222050)

Did you grow up under power lines or something? Apple's "monopoly" if you can even call it that is a vertical integration monopoly. Microsoft's OS monopoly is a horizontal monopoly. The only thing Apple can affect is its own product, if they say OSX comes on all Macs then OSX comes on all Macs. Does anyone have to care? No. Only Apple customers are affected. The same goes for Dell or HP's color schemes, if they say all their PCs will be black or smog brown does anyone have to care? Only Dell or HP customers. Each of these companies are selling THEIR product and can do as they please with it.

Microsoft is a horizontal monopoly in the PC market. They control an entire tier of the business. If they make a change to Windows do people care? They have to no matter if they are Dell, HP, or IBM customers. The fate of the PC market is in the hands of Microsoft, not Dell, HP, or Apple. What Microsoft says with regards to the PC industry goes.

If you're still having trouble here is another example. FoMoCo makes parts for Ford vehicles, not Chrystler vehicles. If FoMoCo did something with their products only Ford customers would have to care, Chrystler customers would not. Ford is vertically integrated in that respect. Chrystler is the same way with Mopar. If you think Ford is too restrictive with their products you can buy a car from another company not affiliated with Ford.

However if OPEC decides oil will cost X amount per barrel you have to care because no matter who made your car you need gasoline to run it. Railing against Ford because OPEC made gas prices soar would be ridiculous. Being angry their cars aren't more fuel efficient or something might be valid but not the simple fact gasoline is expensive. If you don't like the fact Apple sells an iPod with an OS buy from someone else. If they welded the iPod shut to prevent anyone from ever seeing the magic blue pixie dust that made it work you might have a valid concern. As of right now you're getting upset over a complete non-issue. If you want to throw the word monopoly around learn to use it properly.

Please...please....PLEASE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5222054)



kill yourself now. That is the most insane 'isnt this monopolistic practice?' post I have ever seen on SlashDot. And having Amiga in your name just makes me wish you where dead even more.

Re:Please...please....PLEASE (1)

Carthag (643047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222159)

And having Amiga in your name just makes me wish you where dead even more.

No, that makes it all the more funny! You see, Commodore were as much a monopoly as Apple are now. Who said hypocricy? Oh, right, he did.

Re:Impressive (1)

perky (106880) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221993)

Well there will of course be competition for the OS it is running.
Not really. When you buy an iPod from apple you get a hardware device and the installed software. You can't buy a device with no software for a discount.

Calling aftersale modifications competition is like saying that because I could put an aftermarket exhaust on my car that there's competition in the mini exhaust market. There isn't.

Impressive... (1)

zerosignal (222614) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221828)

Very impressive. I thought it could be a hoax at first. Finally a way to get Ogg Vorbis on the iPod?

realtime playlists, deleting, dual boot (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221836)

when i got the nomad jukebox it was ok, but i had to trade up for the beautiful UI of the iPod.

the only thing i miss about the NJB is the ability to make realtime playlists, and to be able to delete songs away from the computer. i would love to see that come to my iPod via this port!!!

also a dual boot would be incredible, but doubt the 2 firmwares could co-exist unless the firmware would be a booter (ala lilo or grub), and the iPod/Linux firmware be made virtual and put onto the ide harddrive.

Re:realtime playlists, deleting, dual boot (1)

iM (229414) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222192)

plus smaller font for the playlists!

UI (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221841)

once more mature, wonder how the legal implications of "look n feel" would be determined since you are confined to such a narrow user input. apple made the UI so sexy, that it would be hard not to emulate it.

Enjoy while it lasts (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221842)

Watch Apple lawyers come down hard on these developers...

Re:Enjoy while it lasts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221902)

It's a sad world we live in when an innovation like this is likely to be squashed by money grubbing corporate giants.

Re:Enjoy while it lasts (5, Insightful)

fiftyvolts (642861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221923)

Its sad to think that people are so anti-cooperate that they don't know a good thing when it bites them on the nose. It's OK to make money. If we didn't make money we would all be starving on the corner of some streetor "working" behind a supermarket. Apple traditionally doesn't tell people to stop hacking their devices unless they have a good reason. As long as we don't see an article like "Linux used to pirate boatloads of music on the iPod" on /. and the linux hackers have followed all the details outlined in the EULA we won't hear Apple cry shennanigins. I contribute to opensource free software projects; don't let yourself get overzealous with this anti-corporate thing.

Re:Enjoy while it lasts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221951)

If we didn't make money

We don't make money. We invent money. Money is a collective hallucination: those pieces paper and metal have value just because we believe so.

Unlike Ayn Randists and die hard capitalists would like to believe, corporations don't make money either. Society would get along just fine without corporations and money. Corporations borrow money from banks, which in turn borrow it ultimately from the national banks. National banks make money simply by issuing new coins and bills and telling us to believe in the artificial value they have printed on them. Today there is no gold or other concrete proof for that value, either. Money simply comes out of nothing at the whim of the national banks.

I highly doubt Apple will do anything (4, Informative)

mj_1903 (570130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221927)

Its not like it is breaking any agreement with Apple. Read the software license that comes with the iPod, its a simple software license, nothing else. Just like Apple has not squished the Linux on PowerPC programs, Apple will not got after someone wanting to write something for the iPod. iCommune was a person breaking their agreement with Apple, they had all the right in the world to tell him to cease and desist. My 2 cents.

People are sick :) (-1, Troll)

ThomasW (32227) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221843)

This is what happens when people does not have enough to do...

IBM STRIKES BACK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221845)

News.com is reporting [com.com] that IBM has won a $290 million contract with the federal government to build what are expected to be the world's two fastest supercomputers at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. The other machine, the Linux powered [com.com] Blue Gene/L will be 10 times faster than the current #1 [top500.org] , NEC's Earth Simulator with a speed of 360 teraflops, according to IBM.

The screenshots (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221846)

For anyone bored to check their website here are the two screenshots they include.

1 [sourceforge.net]

and

2 [sourceforge.net]

Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221854)

Why the hell is every Apple article on Slashdot full of trolls and flamebaits about homosexuals and gay sex?!

Re:Trolls (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221937)

i think you will find that the ratio of gay vs. straight x86 users is far smaller than that of Apple.

Who cares? (-1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222015)

Apple fans should consider themselves lucky to be under such heavy troll-scrutiny. Trolls rule. They make everything better. TROLL IT UP! MOD THIS POST DOWN.

Way to revert? (2, Interesting)

szo (7842) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221862)

I think an important question is (and I didn't find the answer in the article) that can I put back the original software?

Szo

Re:Way to revert? (2, Informative)

mikeplokta (223052) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221877)

You can download software installers for both the Windows and Mac versions of the iPod from Apple, that will do a complete reformat and install. You can convert a Windows iPod to Mac and vice versa, and I'm sure they'll also reinstall over a Linux installation.

Re:Way to revert? (4, Informative)

mccalli (323026) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221882)

I think an important question is (and I didn't find the answer in the article) that can I put back the original software?

Yes, more info in the FAQ [sourceforge.net] . See section 4.1 for the bit on reloading Apple firmware.

I'm really very interested in tracking this - my iPod is behaving horribly with VBR-encoded files (firmware 1.2.1, mine cuts off the end of the track if you pause or fast forward/rewind) and short of re-ripping 40Gigs-worth I'm stuck without a solution. Quite keen to see what happens here.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Way to revert? (3, Informative)

BrotherPope (8102) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222144)

my iPod is behaving horribly with VBR-encoded files (firmware 1.2.1, mine cuts off the end of the track if you pause or fast forward/rewind)

This is, AFAIK, a known problem with MP3's without the Xing VBR header. There are utilities out there to 'repair' your existing mp3's to add the appropriate header. My experience with just such a tool was a success (but it was such a pain that I didn't bother doing it with the whole library yet).

Re:Way to revert? (1)

mccalli (323026) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222178)

This is, AFAIK, a known problem with MP3's without the Xing VBR header. There are utilities out there to 'repair' your existing mp3's

Excellent - thanks a lot for this. Could you please let me know the name of the tool you used?

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Way to revert? (1)

it0 (567968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221889)

The FAQ [sourceforge.net] says you can. You can find out more if you read it.

Re:Way to revert? (1)

IsleOfView (23825) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221933)

So important in fact, that it made the FAQ (try RTFA):

4.1 Can I still run the Apple firmware?
Assuming a backup is made of the original firmware it is possible to roll-back the firmware to the original so that it can be used. It is intended that eventually a small uClinux application will also allow direct loading of the original firmware

Stuff this (0, Flamebait)

FungiSpunk (628460) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221863)

Stop wasting time with the IPOD, get it working on my Archos JB20, playing DivX/Mpg vids, then I'll sit up and take notice!

Re:Stuff this (2, Insightful)

troc (3606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222222)

If you are so uninterested in someone else's hard work, time and effort that you need to bad mouth them, please keep it to yourself.

If you want linux on your Archos JB20, why not try porting it youself?

Or just buy an iPod ;)

Troc

Windows iPod only (1)

Fulkkari (603331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221866)

Look's really nice, but only the Windows iPod (with FAT32) is supported. Wonder if there will be support for the Mac iPod (with HFS+).

Re:Windows iPod only (4, Informative)

mikeplokta (223052) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221886)

As long as you've got access to a Windows machine with Firewire, you can convert a Mac iPod to Windows by using the Windows iPod software installer from Apple. And it'll still work on the Mac -- Windows iPods work just fine with Macs, although not vice versa -- the only thing you lose is the desktop icon.

Gameboy Emulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221867)

Someone should port one of the gameboy emulators to this thing. That would be pretty cool!

Qtopia interface, GBA compatibility - instant calendar downloads from the PC - could be a great platform, and not nearly as boring as apple's original firmware.

Re:Gameboy Emulation (1)

Carthag (643047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221906)

My first thought on this was, how the hell would you use it as a Gameboy without the right butons.

But actually, I think it's possible to make it work. The "wheel" has no moving parts, so I suppose you could have it work as 4/8/16 "buttons" by dividing it into zones, giving you a joystick.

Re:Gameboy Emulation (2, Informative)

MrMickS (568778) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222036)

Only the current 10GB and 20GB iPods have non-moving "wheels". The 5GB and the original 10GB have a moving wheel.

Ipod web server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221868)

Will be nice if they get this thing running TCPIP over the firewire port... embedded linux+apache on the ipod, I cant wait

Very good work (3, Insightful)

ites (600337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221869)

Apple's reaction will be interesting. If they jump on these developers, they will be sending a strong message about exactly what they are selling with the iPod. If - and I think this is more likely - they ignore or even help the project, the iPod will become immensely popular.
Ogg support (or even just a shell prompt!) would be reason enough for me to buy the iPod today.
Hope this message gets through to Apple.
So, what's next: will some intelligent company build a DVD player that can be extended with IDE drives internally and run Linux so that we can load it with mplayer and freenet and build that "your grandmother can fileshare" set-top DVD/VR I'm dreaming about?

Re:Very good work (1)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221879)

or even just a shell prompt!
mp3decoder - | ls | grep '.*\.mp3'
*shakes head and realises I really am a nerd.*

Re:Very good work (1)

DJPenguin (17736) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222047)

Not sure what you are trying to do there!

How about:

cat *.mp3 | mp3decoder -

Re:Very good work (1)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222266)

Your right im a bit embarrassed about that. God only knows what was going through my mind when i typed it! I'm obviously not a true nerd! :)

Re:Very good work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221891)

So, what's next: will some intelligent company build a DVD player that can be extended with IDE drives internally and run Linux so that we can load it with mplayer and freenet and build that "your grandmother can fileshare" set-top DVD/VR I'm dreaming about?

What do you need a company for?

I'm building a jukebox for my house. It will have a 8" LCD touchscreen as a local interface, IR remote control, wireless net for streaming to other rooms, TV out, TV in, DVD and a 250 GB hard drive and fanless VIA CPU. It's running Linux, of course and all hardware is in a mini-ITX case. If you opt for a larger case, you can install a digi-TV card as well.

As soon as I have finished it and shook it down to get rid of the early problems, I will put up a web page on how to do it yourself.

Re:Very good work (1)

ites (600337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221907)

>What do you need a company for?
Because it has to cost about $199 max and this means making millions of the damn things. Flood the world with a Linux-driven set-top hard-drive TV recording any media-playing p2p sharing boxes. Anarchy. Evil. :)

Re:Very good work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5222093)

> Flood the world with a Linux-driven set-top hard-drive TV recording any media-playing p2p sharing boxes

somebody already built one of those and called it Tivo

Re:Very good work (1)

perky (106880) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221954)

If - and I think this is more likely - they ignore or even help the project, the iPod will become immensely popular.
iPod is already immensely popular. The amount of extra sales generated to people like you who are impressed by the "hackability", and who wouldn't otherwise have bought one, would number in the hundreds. This is not a reason not to stomp on the developers. Having said that, stomping on developers costs money and I can't see any reason that they might justify that expenditure.

Re:Very good work (2, Interesting)

darien (180561) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222115)

I have maybe five friends planning to buy an mp3 player within the next year. At the moment I'm telling them that my iPod has a much better UI than the Nomad Zen, but it's decidedly more expensive and the sound is a little muddier, particularly at high volume. If I could also say "but on the iPod you can easily install a third party OS on it that lets you store 33% more songs and play games on it," I think that would swing at least three or four extra sales for Apple among my friends alone. And I'm sure they'd tell their workmates etc.

Nice...but what about iTunes? (5, Interesting)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221873)

This is really freaking cool!!! (though I'm not going to install it until it matures). Makes me wish I had the time and knowledge to contribute to this project. Unfortunately, I am lacking in both, so the only thing I can do is put out a few requests to the hackers out there:

1. Get it to continue working with iTunes. Imagine, once this matures and the music capabilities are running at full speed, how nice it will be to be able to sync and use both your ogg vorbis and mp3 files on the iPod using iTunes to organize everything.

2. Figure out the remote pin-outs, so hardware hackers, or at least those with soldering skill can make their own remotes. I'm thinking I would like to modify my snowboarding jacket since I can't afford that Burton/Apple iPod jacket. Granted, this request goes out to anyone who is interested as it really doesn't have anything to do with the iPod linux project. If I can find some time, I may look into it myself.

If anyone has any info on the above, please feel free to chime in. Oh, yeah, and I noticed this from the FAQ [sourceforge.net] . Perhaps this can waylay all of the "WHY?!?" trolls:

1.2 Why would you do that?
A number of reasons but mainly because its there.

Cheers. :)

Exactly Who (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221894)

Gives a rat's ass? Is this news or is it a commercial? You know the drill....mod me down you cowards!

Vorbis and Lawyers' squads (0, Troll)

Gadzinka (256729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221898)

On one hand, maybe this project will give Ogg/Vorbis on iPod, but on the other hand I wonder when Apple's gonna start sending goon^Wlawyer squads shouting that these guys breached EULA.

Robert

Firewire Filesharing (4, Funny)

Op7imus_Prim3 (645940) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221912)

"uClinux comes equipped with a full TCP/IP stack, as well as support for numerous other networking protocols"

I can see it now. Two geeks in a bar looking at each others linux equipped ipods. One pulls out a firewire cable and says "I'll share you mine if you share me yours"

Re:Firewire Filesharing (1)

kuiken (115647) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221934)

wanne bet you gonne be able to play quake on it before it plays mp3/ogg's ?

Re:Firewire Filesharing (2, Interesting)

darien (180561) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222163)

It's a good point though. Apple may get nervous if this enables you to plug two iPods together and copy files between them - as I suppose it inevitably must. That would make the iPod incredibly convenient for domestic music "piracy." It would also provide a compelling argument for everyone to get an iPod, rather than something else that won't let you copy songs off your friends in the pub. Tricky.

cool... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5221942)

wow, that's a sexy mp3 player player, i wonder if it could run...

oh, cool!

Silly question (3, Funny)

Christopher Bibbs (14) | more than 11 years ago | (#5221989)

Why is the penguin on their website stoned? Was he making one of the switch ads too?

Re:Silly question (5, Funny)

troc (3606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222245)

I was.... like.. trying to catch fish with my rod and it was like *snap* *snap* *snap*.... .... and the fish got away. ...... and it was a really big fish.

or something

Troc

Re:Silly question (2, Funny)

worst_name_ever (633374) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222303)

And then I had to catch another fish, only it wasn't as good. And I was all, like... unh.

Are still so many people 8 bit-impaired? (0, Troll)

Rothron the Wise (171030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222006)

Why not use when you mean ?
u is such a poor excuse for a .

iPod II !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5222020)

Add touch sensitive screen and stylus.

Only supports the Windows version. (1, Flamebait)

shippo (166521) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222094)

Reading the release notes indicates that only the Windows version of the iPod is supported. Additionally the build environment has to be a PC running Linux. Which means that the majority of iPod owners using Macs are excluded at the moment.

Further research indicates that at the moment neither MP3 nor Ogg playback are working in real-time, partially due to the iPod lacking an FPU. There is no support at present for the Firewire port either.

So, what use can be made from a Linux system with 5 control buttons, a dial control and a locking switch as input and a low-res mono display and audio as output? Not a lot, really. It's not even much use as a games platform emulator.

MP3 Decoder? (2, Interesting)

Komarosu (538875) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222140)

Just a thought...

Doesn't the iPod have a hardware decoder for mp3? If so why don't they think about making a device for this in the kernel...maybe so it would be possible just to cat > /dev/mp3 ? The idea of using a software decoder on something i think has a hardware decoder just seems a little....uselsss?

Anticipated One of the Age Old Slashdot Questions (3, Funny)

CaptCanuk (245649) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222172)

You know the developer is a slashdot frequent when you read the FAQ.

"3.4 Can you imagine a Beowolf cluster...
There was an April fools about a bunch of Buddhists ordering a heap of iPods. Too bad... if it were true perhaps they could have clustered them to solve the ancient mysteries...

Translation, yes, but its just silly. "

Why? Well... (2, Insightful)

h0tblack (575548) | more than 11 years ago | (#5222300)

At the moment much of the possibilities for the hardware in the iPod is going unused, for whatever reasons.
It's difficult to tell exactly what the out-of-the-box features are, as precise details are closed... but:
There's a PP5002B-C in there, and the PP5002 product brief(pdf) [portalplayer.com] states support for mp3 encoding, and decoding of mp3, wma, wma, aac and accelp.net formats. Of course, Apple use custom firmware which may not have all of these facilities.
There's also been talk of using the iPod for direct sharing over firewire. There's possibility of using IP-over-Firewire and running a webserver on the thing. There's a lot of fun possibilities out there, especially if a few more hackers get on board, although no alternative firmware will gain popularity until it has a simple UI, one of the things apple tend to be rather good at.
There's obviously a fair way to go with this uClinux project, and I'd expect much of it's initial progress has been made thanks to the ARM7TDMI port [aplio.com] of UClinux - I'm not belittling the hard work of Bernard Leach here. The current mp3 and ogg playback is probably not as optimised as it could be with full knowledge of the portalplayer chip and the rest of the iPod's hardware. It would be great if information on the hardware would be opened up, but I don't see this happening for a while, in the mean time, get this man an official FDK!! (or maybe not, because of them damn legal issues).
All things said, looks like a great start, just wish I had an iPod....
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