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Review of BeOS Developer Edition 1.1

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the reviving-the-dead dept.

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TweetZilla writes "Good review if you are a fan of BeOS. Not ready for regular users but tinkerers will probably love it to death. OSNews is carrying the story."

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Frosty piss (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225426)

In USSR i post you!@

Re:Frosty piss (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225448)

w00t, i got it bitch!!!!

Re:Frosty piss (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225627)

Some fuckhead sold me a shitty video card on ebay

THE SYSTEM JUST DOESNT WORK

Re:Frosty piss (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225815)

hah, thats funny, some loser just bought a shitty video card from me on ebay.... coincidence?

not even close . . . (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225427)

to getting first post

$lashdot meta discussion GONE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225428)

The Meta$lashdot Discussion is now only a memory. This make good sense because if there is no activity on a discussion for 2 weeks the discussion is deleted. But I posted a comment on 2/13 at 11:42am. I was questioning, in that comment, why $lashdot (which is anti-M$) was running ads for VS.NET? There were no replies. I didn't even think twice about looking for it yesterday, but I thought it looked strange... here is how it shows up on my list:

5 Please Explain [lashdot.org] posted on Wednesday February 13, @11:42AM (Score:-1)
attached to

Do you notice what is wrong? What is the comment attached to? (HINT: It should be the Meta $lashdot Discussion) Now try viewing the comment, it's not there...Where is it? Email CmdrTaco [mailto] and ask him to query for CID 3000553 on his database.

By the way, I'll try not to post with this account for a few days so that this comment stays on my comments list so that I have proof that I am telling the truth. Look at my comments [lashdot.org]

UPDATE: Here is a copy of an email from our good buddy Rob Malda:

From :
"Rob \"CmdrTaco\" Malda"

To :
"jajhj oiusd" , krow@$lashdot.org

Subject :
Re: Please Explain

Date :
Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:31:30 -0500

Looks like a bug to me.

On Friday 15 February 2002 10:14 am, you wrote:
> I posted a comment to the meta slash discussion on 2/13 at 11:42AM and the
> comment and the discussion are now gone. Why is that? Was there something
> in the discussion that needed to be deleted?
>
> I know that if there is no activity in a discussion for like 2 weeks then
> it will be deleted. But there was activity with in the past 2 days. What
> gives? here is a link to the comment I submitted
>
> http://$lashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=26638&cid=3000 553


UPDATE: Shortly after posting this journal entry, I was banned.

Troll 12 of 208 from the annals of the Troll Library [slashdot.org] .

3rd post! (-1)

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First post!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225435)

FP!!!!!!!! w00t w00t!

first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225437)

post

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BeOs is a great OS... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225438)

...FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!

I thought BeOS died... (1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225445)

I thought it was over and done with, like OS/2 or DOS. I guess I'm wrong?

How is the offtopic?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225501)

This is a story about BeOS. This is a question about BeOS. Damn moderators. Get a clue.

Re:I thought BeOS died... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5226086)

Yes it's dead. Now please don't disturb us ppl in heaven.

Be... (3)

NivenHuH (579871) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225457)

*sigh* If only somebody at Palm "accidently" released the source.. >=)

Re:Be... (4, Insightful)

dcuny (613699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225617)

That wouldn't be helpful.

For one thing, developers wouldn't be able to look at the source, because it would taint anything they would put out.

More importantly, the BeOS relied on a lot of proprietary, third party components. The BeOS developers pretty much said that it would be virtually impossible to disentagle the proprietary stuff from the Be stuff. Even if that were possible, you wouldn't have anything useful.

Besides, the Open BeOS [sourceforge.net] is making good progress without the source code.

Wait a second..... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225989)

I'm confused, so then the Kernal, many drivers, etc were all done via third parties? Who has the source? How come they are able to update the Kernal to support SSE, etc?

Re:Wait a second..... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5226134)

It's "kernel". Spell it correctly, you fucking moron.

Re:Be... (1)

NivenHuH (579871) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225673)

I'll agree with you on that.. however, it would still be nice to see the way they handled certain tasks/problems and incorporate those ideas into Open BeOS's source..

And in one sentence, he described BeOS community (0, Flamebait)

krog (25663) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225469)

Good review if you are a fan of BeOS.

Which can be read as "music to a BeOS fanatic's ears". More circle-jerking from the BeOS folks, whose only allies are themselves.

Seriously, the BeOS user community has dwindled such that only the rabid remain. Everyone else went off to use an OS which solves the problems BeOS first half-addressed (and you're lying if you say that BeOS has a hand-up on OS X, or even WinXP).

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (3, Interesting)

NivenHuH (579871) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225487)

Be, to me, brought a Mac-like interface to the PC with *nix capabilities.. (I guess you could think of it as os X on pc?) The only real pitfall was the lack-o-software and poor hardware support.. but.. the OS was almost worth building a box with supported hardware for it.. (well.. at least it was for me.. >=) )

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225544)

Yeah, who needs good software and hardware to go along with an OS?

IN SOVIET RUSSA... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225517)

...the jerks circle YOU!

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (1)

Frothy Walrus (534163) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225522)

I too am at a loss to describe any existing problem which BeOS solves. For a lack of useful commercial-type applications, it's bad enough being on Linux instead of Windows or Mac OS X, let alone on an uber-dabbler's OS.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (4, Informative)

BeBoxer (14448) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225997)

I too am at a loss to describe any existing problem which BeOS solves.

How about decent file typing? That's one thing BeOS did well, using MIME as the native file typing mechanism. MacOS had pretty good file types, but Apple seems to be discouraging it's use in favor of the lowest common denominator: file extensions. Which are frankly, crap.

Linux is probably at the bottom of the heap here. Both Gnome and KDE are starting to maintain their own databases of this stuff, which is pointless because this should be a common service OS-wide. An application should be able to ask the OS which application should be called to handle text/html for example. But there isn't any standard way to do that on Linux. As a result, different applications do different things when I click on a link. I want a Konq window to open, but there isn't any way for me to tell Evolution that. It insists on opening a Mozilla window.

I'm sure eventually this will get solved on Linux, but BeOS was handling this problem quite well five years ago. It isn't rocket science, in fact it's pretty simple.

Another example is file metadata. BeOS allowed you to add arbitrary name/value attributes to files. What's more, you could have the filesystem index them to allow you to do quick searches on them. Plus the Tracker allowed you to specify what attributes you wanted to have displayed in folder windows. You didn't have to look at the file name and size if you didn't want to. You could view only custom metadata.

This works great for audio files. The developers standarized on a set of attributes which all the major MP3 applications use. So all of my MP3 (well, Ogg actually) files have the artist, album, track, etc saved as metadata. The Tracker can be told to only display those attributes, if you want. Plus the OS can search on them. I've got a ripper thats adds the attributes when I rip a CD. I've got a file viewer, the Tracker, which lets me sift thru my collection looking at the relevant metadata. And I've got a player which lets me add file, folders, and arbitrary metadata queries to playlists.

Unfortunately, having my jukebox based on a dead OS is getting to be a drag for other reasons. So, I'll probably try to move the whole thing to Linux, but it'll be painful. I'll have to install my own database to handle the metadata. There's no standard schema so the few MP3 apps which do use databases won't interoperate. Not to mention that having the actual files and metadata completely disconnected is an extremely fragile solution. If you move a file using the normal techniques, then the metadata is out of sync and you have to fix it somehow. So I do what? Write my own interface for providing simple file manipulations so that I can keep the metadata in sync? That's not really practical either. In the end, I'll probably spend a lot of time implementing a solution that will work half as well.

Not that BeOS was perfect, far from it. Shall I discuss the pain of porting network software to an OS where sockets are not file descriptors? But it did have some really nice features which I have yet to find in any other OS.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (1)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 11 years ago | (#5226089)

stop whining about fragile metadata for MP3s and take a look at ID3 tags....the metadata (thats fun to say, metadata) is intentionally built into the file format

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (1)

MrEd (60684) | more than 11 years ago | (#5226130)

If all the computing world worked as well as the BeFS, ID3 tags would be a bit of a kludge.


Unfortunately we live in an imperfect world.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (1)

banzai51 (140396) | more than 11 years ago | (#5226000)

Same thing can be said of Linux. Funny to watch the Linux community react to competition. Always fun to bring up BeOS and watch the haters wail since they realize their favorite OS is more mainstream than alt.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (2, Interesting)

Trajan's Horse (543334) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225543)

You're absolutely right, but to this day, I haven't found an OS that was as fun as BeOS. It just had a certain quality about it made it really fun to use.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225636)

...found an OS that was as fun as BeOS...

That's probably because there were no real tools available to get any work done.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (1)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 11 years ago | (#5226066)

Which is probably why I can make money using BeOS (photo restoration)...sure, it's dead, until you open your eyes and see what is out there that really is great.

People have become used ot the idea that in order for an app to be useful, it must be huge and do everything under the sun. I have news for you, it isn't true. Some of the best BeOS software takes up less than 1 meg on disk, and does things that Windows programs can't do under 10 megs.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (0, Offtopic)

demian031 (466963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225622)

it's good porn, if you like maggots and mayonaise

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (3, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225799)

uh? i started using beos just the other day(couple of weeks ago) on my irc/mp3 machine.

i was quite amazed by the amount of opensource/community developed drivers for it(obviously lot of 'em derived from linux driver sources), and the whole community actually being there in general.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225821)

and you're lying if you say that BeOS has a hand-up on OS X, or even WinXP

And you're lying if you claim to know what my needs are. I can't afford to evaluate either OS X or WinXP. They cost money. Legally, even to evaluate, and certainly to run on a daily basis. So in at least one way BeOS has a "hand-up" on the two commercial OSs you name.

Think before you call someone a liar.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225837)

so fucking pirate a copy of OS X or WinXP you pious fucking tool. meow meow meow

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (1)

diablobynight (646304) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225870)

ummm....he did think and it was a fair statement, but we understand that BeOS users don't have jobs and can't afford licensed software.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225970)

He doesn't have a clue.
Have a look at www.openbeos.org, you fecken pillock.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (4, Insightful)

fusiongyro (55524) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225961)

Unfortunately, I have to agree. I used to have a full 8 GB BeOS partition on my machine which I was happily neglecting until news of the BeOS MAX! "Distribution" fell on me, and I had to install it.

Well, right after I installed it was treated to booting into an OS that thought I was in France. Fine, not a big deal, but it would have been nice if the documentation (all in English) had mentioned this and maybe even described the process by which you fix it the language settings.

Then I got to experience the full glee of BeOS resending 16 email messages I had already sent from its mail program... about two years ago! I emailed the developers about this and got no response.

This is usually where the Be apologists will insert some vague praise of it's microkernel architecture. Yeah, it's great I can drag and drop a driver into the system folder and have it start working right then, but so what if it's totally impractical to actually *use.*

So I blew away the partition and said, "Goodbye BeOS, it had been fun." When an OS is new, you can forgive it for having no application support and no hardware drivers. Now, 2003, we're nearing 8 years with BeOS on the PC and almost all of the drivers we have today we had back then (exception: a non-accellerated nvidia driver). Application support continues to hover around the few commercial apps it had three years ago (though I believe Gobe has dropped BeOS support for Productive). When I last ran the OS, most of the software for it suffered from the same Windows delusion that every schmuck who downloads a shareware program is willing to chip in $10 for it. Consequently, actually achieving productivity with BeOS was difficult because you'd wind up paying hundreds in piss ant shareware fees to unlock the full features of whatever it was you wanted to use (see BeXL, all of the good code editors, SoundPlay).

So BeOS lost a fan in me. The only chance for redemption will be when OpenBeOS starts making releases, but even then it will be a long shot. If you doubt me, check my previous posts and you'll see, I used to be one of their supporters around here, but I give up. OS X certainly kicks BeOS in the nads, thanks in no small part to NEXTSTEP. I haven't used WinXP but wouldn't be surprised if much of what made BeOS advanced almost a decade ago had finally been integrated into Windows.

--
Daniel

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (1)

Junta (36770) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225996)

Though not as feasible to use as a primary desktop it once was, I would say the architecture had just as much technical potential as OSX, and more than XP.

What hurts BeOS is the lack of third party support. For a 'multimedia os' it had/has crappy format/codec support. Applications were sparse. Linux had these same setbacks once upon a time, but the nature of the platform lent itself well to a grass roots movement of software developers, and BeOS did not. They offered decent tools, but the proprietary, closed source core really didn't appeal all that much to developers that already could do stuff with Linux. Sure BeOS was a more 'all-in-one' package with a better graphics system, but the business behind it killed the technology.

Re:And in one sentence, he described BeOS communit (4, Funny)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 11 years ago | (#5226147)

Seriously, the BeOS user community has dwindled such that only the rabid remain.

No shit. As an OS/2 user, the BeOS fans make me look like the popular kid in high school!

Stick a fork in it (-1, Troll)

xdfgf (460453) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225477)

BeOS is dead

Nobody cares..

Next article please

tinkerers will probably love it to death (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225495)

too bad nobody can love it back to life

Re:tinkerers will probably love it to death (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225830)

LOL! Too bad Slashdot mods are so humorless that they can not recognize
a witty remark. Slashdot is worse than a politically correct nursery school.

beos is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225497)

*because* yellow tabs are not very nice.

And yes, i know about the easter egg and the patches, but that option should be there in the first place.

BeOS developer Edition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225505)

more like celda

I never consider trying it (2, Insightful)

termos (634980) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225523)

I read this review, and it sounds pretty neat. The only thing was that it sounds like some GUI only OS, which is not something I am found of, but then i read some more.
It came with lots of GNU software, which i found great since they are free (as in free speech), then i read even more.
It has terminals, which i did not knew it had.
This will definitely be something i will try in the future.

Re:I never consider trying it (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225748)

You may want to look into Mac OS X then... it has GNU software, terminals and the company that owns it is not dead in the water.

Re:I never consider trying it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225797)

Or maybe LYENUCKS? It has lots of TURMINULS, GEE-EN-YOOZ, and is even FREE AS IN SOCIALISM!

Re:I never consider trying it (0)

rmadmin (532701) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225813)

I'm curious about trying this again. I used BeOS a few years. I was not impressed at all. But I'm seriously going to consider trying it again!

Be (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225531)


Shouldn't "Be" be called "HasBeen"?

Re:Be (0, Offtopic)

Faggot (614416) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225556)

no.

they were never.

Re:Be (4, Funny)

Wolfier (94144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225620)

Dude, Palm has already renamed BeOs to WasOs.

Re:Be (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225934)

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Re:Be (0)

nochops (522181) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225707)

I love BeOS, but even I'll admit it. That was pretty funny, nice one.

Why would I bother? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225570)

The specs look interesting, but what can BeOS do that I can't make Linux do after a weekend spent reading manuals and tweaking config files?

Re:Why would I bother? (2, Insightful)

mmu_man (107529) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225952)

The same things, but without the time spent.

It's (-1, Redundant)

Mourgos (621534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225573)

ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!

Nah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225610)

BeOS is dead. OpenBeOS is shrouded in some sort of cult like reality distortion field. Still, there is Syllable [sourceforge.net] It has promise, but they need more developers. Doesn't everyone?

Re:Nah (1)

Mourgos (621534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225767)

No I'm serious man! FreeBSD is dead and BeOS is thriving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They only did a 5.0 release for tax purposes.

Do I make sense?

Egads (4, Interesting)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225594)

The review is interesting but it's been a while since I've seen such a glaring example of bad spelling and grammar actually make it as a live article in a high-traffic website dedicated to technical stuff.

Re:Egads (1)

NivenHuH (579871) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225618)

Heh.. he also mentioned that he doesn't know what a .cue and .bin file was.. *rolleyes* >=)

Re:Egads (3, Funny)

Ironix (165274) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225764)

The review is interesting but it's been a while since I've seen such a glaring example of bad spelling and grammar actually make it as a live article in a high-traffic website dedicated to technical stuff.

I think that would be:

The review is interesting, but it's been a while since I've seen such a glaring example of bad spelling and grammar in a live article on a high-traffic website dedicated to technical stuff.

But that's just par for the course on /.

Re:Egads (0)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225843)

But that's just par for the course on /.

I think that should be:

Slashdot

But that's just me.

Re:Egads (1)

Ironix (165274) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225867)

Slashdot

I think that should be:

Slashdot.org

But that's just silly. =)

Re:Egads (5, Funny)

Troll_Kamikaze (646926) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225778)

The review is interesting but it's been a while since I've seen such a glaring example of bad spelling and grammar actually make it as a live article in a high-traffic website dedicated to technical stuff.

Really? Maybe you should give this site [slashdot.org] a try.

if this is a good review, I'd hate read a bad one (2, Funny)

bongoras (632709) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225601)

from the section entitled "BeOS in all it's glory":

I have an adsl connection here at home and this is where I ran into my first problem. There is a package for BeOS called PPPoE which lets you connect to any adsl provider that uses the PPPoE protocol. Of course, I installed it, configured it and dialed up my ISP. I get a connection, but only for about 3 seconds. Major pain in the ass! So I looked through the readme file, changed all the appropriate settings and still no cigar. "Well", says I, "It's time for the old tech support forum!" I rebooted into an OS with a decent PPPoE implementation, logged onto BeOSOnline and found an interesting thread in their forum suggesting I use BONE 7a. BONE stands for BeOS Networking Environment and is of fairly dubious legality. It was supposed to be part of the last release of BeOS, just before it got sold to palm but was supposedly never officially released. As Be was selling BeOS, some developer(s) on the project decided to leek BONE onto the net. Good old hacker disregard for authority! Finding BONE is not easy, but once I downloaded it I was supposedly ready to go. How wrong I was! I downloaded BONE to my windows partition as I already knew BeOS can mount, read and right to Fat32 partitions. I unpacked the Zip file, opened a terminal and ran the install script. Time to reboot. This is when the shit hit the proverbial fan. Instead of looking at my nice new desktop I was faced with the textual garble that is the kernel debugger!

Whew... so as long as you don't wanna use it for anything, BeOS is GLORIOUS!

PowerPC? (1)

Ironix (165274) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225608)

Sigh... I remember when BeOS was made for PowerPC 601 Processors, but it has sadly now left the domain of PowerPC chips all together.

I was hoping to install BeOS onto my G4 so that I could tinker around with it, but now if I want it on my Mac I will need to use VirtualPC.

I say BRING BeOS BACK TO ITS ROOTS! PowerPC NOW! =)

Re:PowerPC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225685)

There was growing interest in BeOS when it was based around the dual PPC BeBox. But as usual Jean-Louis Gassee could not stay the course. That frog switched direction every six months. Twice a year he "reinvented" BeOS -- PPC, Intel, Network Appliance, Game Engine, Multimedia station. Absolutely the shortest attention span in the industry.

Re:PowerPC? (3, Informative)

guile*fr (515485) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225731)

beos never ran on PPC601... entry ticket was 603 (the bebox) or 604.

Re:PowerPC? (1)

Ironix (165274) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225974)

Silly me, I stand corrected.

IB...International Baccalaureate? (-1)

iosmart (624285) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225631)

does anyone use BeOS? IB Dead

Re:IB...International Baccalaureate? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225660)

no, no llevo pantalones! tengo un anynmous coward o hay un gato en mi pantalones!! ay slashdotta! yo creo que no!

Re:IB...International Baccalaureate? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225703)

si senor, si si. tienes un gato en te pantalones! lo vi! tenia unos balones en tu pantalones tambiel. unos balones grande! senor taco necesita leer esto!

Re:IB...International Baccalaureate? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225739)

todos de tus son tontos!! senor coward tuvo un gato en su pantalones! pero el no lleva pantalones!! pasa dos minutos?? creo que si!! pero no tengo un reloj...

Re:IB...International Baccalaureate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225786)

no, no llevo pantalones! tengo un anynmous coward o hay un gato en mi pantalones!! ay slashdotta! yo creo que no!

Translated: no, no levi's pants (jeans)! tango with an anonymous coward in the hay and get in my pants (instead)!! You creeps (play) keno!

This review was soooo bad (2, Informative)

JoshRoss (88988) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225658)

This is a sad day for reviews. 75% percent of the article was spent on how the author did not understand BIN/CUE and the other 25% sounded like a techTV commercial. He talks about it being a great multimedia dev OS, because its fast.. well.. (Sarcasm) MSDOS runs fast on my 486, maybe that would be a great multimedia dev env(/Sarcasm)

Re:This review was soooo bad (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225777)

His bin/cue 'info' is all wrong too.. Nero doesn't need a cue file like he claims. They aren't BIN either, the files are ISO. You just go to burn disk image, choose 'show all files', pick your ISO and let it rip..

I think the fact that he tried to burn two 650 meg ISO files on the same CD shows his level of technical savvy. I didnt even bother to read on. It would be like listening to a mentally challenged 3rd grader explain Shakespeare.

Between this and the new Commodore... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225688)

...people ought to be happy....

Wait a second.... (4, Insightful)

johny_qst (623876) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225705)

I am a fan of the BeOS of yore. I liked it more than I liked linux, though things have changed. But just where does the author get off calling himself 'I was deputy Linux champion'. The guy can't spell, has worse grammar than me and doesn't understand why his winblows cd burning app cant fit two disks of binary data onto one cd! So does this make me 'Certified Linux Champion'? No, but this guy's fud never should have made it to OSNews let alone slashdot.

Re:Wait a second.... (2)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225857)

It's pretty funny (in a Nick Burns sort of way) that he planned to boot his PC up from a CD that had two .iso files on it.

Heck, it took me about 10 seconds to explain to my non-technical grandfather the difference between writing files to a CD and a writing a file that contains a CD image to a CD.

BeOS? (0, Troll)

giel (554962) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225709)


Duh

fyi (3, Insightful)

Jonny Ringo (444580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225714)

Instead of burning the personal edition rom that can only sit on Linux or Windows you can by the BeOS Pro 5.1 edition one ebay for around 20 bucks.

Or make an alt.binaries.* req for BeOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225771)

and you might get lucky

Re:fyi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225866)

I was planning on picking it up in one of those great DALnet warez channels, like #eleetdeadoses.

Re:fyi (2, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225906)

Complete with outdated drivers and utilities....

Besides, I burned the image file to CD from PE and installed from it fine. Not documented officially, but it works quite well.

Paying any money for BeOS Pro is being ripped off. The bonuses it once gave are nullified by the negatives of its age. Max and Developer Edition have done a good job of extendending the life of the OS through third party applications, extensions, and replacements. It is a good hold over until a reimplementation is complete. I'll be the first to say that extending the closed-source release can only go so far, but it is a very good holdover until a complete solution comes along.

Re:fyi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5226030)

personal edition has a crack floating about, that allows it to blossom into pro.

but why not spend your time on a living OS,
or better yet help out with the open source BeOS clone projects...

Be (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225769)

BeAware the BeO off the BeSof this OS It sucks

whose fault? (1)

axxackall (579006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225784)

I was very disappointed when Be decided to discontinue the development of BeOS, selling it to Palm

I was disapponted ~5 years ago when Be's team has rejected $18M acquisition deal from Apple.

What the hell is the status of BeOS? (3, Interesting)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225791)

I keep seeing stuff about new BeOS variants on the street, but the most "official" thing I have heard is that Palm owns it.

What gives. Are these rouge distros or what?

Are they legal? Is there any reason to belive that Palm won't pull the plug on any variants out there at any given time?

I'm sincerly trying to understand the situation. Links are appricated.

-Peter

Re:What the hell is the status of BeOS? (4, Informative)

no reason to be here (218628) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225911)

The "Developer Edition" and "Max Edition" are hacked together from the Personal Edition that Be, Inc. released. They are in violation of the EULA that comes with the Personal Edition, but, since they are not making the people distributing them any money, i imagine Palm, or the remnants of Be, Inc. couldn't care less.
For open-source replacements of BeOS check out the following:
OpenBeOS [openbeos.org]
BlueEyed OS [blueeyedos.com]
also look at the following:
beunited [beunited.org]
yellowTab's Zeta [yellowtab.com]

The guy writing the review is a horrible representative of BeOS users, i think. it's my main OS at home, and I have had little teouble with it, ever (the only time i went into Kernel Debug land was when I managed to crash snes9x with a corrupted ROM).

Re:What the hell is the status of BeOS? (2, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225928)

It's Free.

Not Free as in Beer, nor Free as in Speech.

But Free as in 'not worth Jack-Shit'

Re:What the hell is the status of BeOS? (1)

kin_korn_karn (466864) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225954)

"Jack left town."

Re:What the hell is the status of BeOS? (5, Informative)

cgreuter (82182) | more than 11 years ago | (#5226120)

I keep seeing stuff about new BeOS variants on the street, but the most "official" thing I have heard is that Palm owns it.

As I understand it, we have several different variants:

  1. BeOS Professional Edition is the commercial version of BeOS. It now belongs to Palm but (IIRC) someone still has the right to sell copies through an older agreement with Be.
  2. BeOS Personal Edition is the free-as-in-beer version of BeOS that you could download from Be. There are still mirrors of it and AFAIK, you can still legally put it up for download. It requires a Windows or Linux installation to work.
  3. The BeOS Developer Edition above is apparently a release of BeOS Max Edition. This is basically BeOS Personal Edition with patches applied, new drivers and various open-source contributions. It's maintained by volunteers.
  4. BlueOS is basically a Linux distribution with a BeOS compatibility layer. I'm not sure how complete it is.
  5. OpenBeOS is an open-source re-implementation of BeOS. AIUI, they're basically replacing BeOS components one by one.
  6. Atheos is a completely different open-source OS that sort of resembles BeOS.
  7. Bill Hayden forked it and along with the Linux kernel, made a BeOS-compatible OS.

And there you go.

Note that I'm not really a BeOS enthusiast, so I may be wrong about some of these. However, that's what it looks like to me.

The BE File System (4, Interesting)

Doodhwala (13342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225818)


All said and done, I think the developers of BeOS did a really great job. I recent got the chance to go over the Be File System (BeFS) for class and was amazed by what they did in a short amount of time (less than a year). If you want to look at a short presentation on the file system, you can grab it (in ppt) from here [cmu.edu] .

to keep in contact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225892)

the best site for beos news lately have been www.beosjournal.org
Lot of good stuff is in the work.

Re:to keep in contact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225978)

i should have say .net instead of .org

BeOS always has sucked. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225900)

QNX has always been faster and better.

Case closed.

Re:BeOS always has sucked. (1)

mmu_man (107529) | more than 11 years ago | (#5225981)

didn't you mean _fatter_ ? =)

What the...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5225914)

Sheesh, this is an old dupe...oh what do you mean it's not a dupe?

WHY? (-1, Troll)

sstory (538486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5226056)

the OSNews story sounds horrible. Who cares about something that worthless? Ohhhh wait that's why I use Windows 2000--I need to get stuff done, not spend my time screwing around with a kernel debugger. While we're at it, I don't build me own kitchen knives. I just buy some and get to making food.
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