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Listen To Your Game Boy Advance

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the uncumbrance dept.

Handhelds 171

filmsmith writes "It looks like Nintendo may be interested in using the GBA to enter the PDA market and even considering itself competition for the Apple iPod. It smells of DMCA pandering, though. 'It looks like protection will be in place to ensure that even content recorded by users (through the use of a special adapter) will not be able to be shared with other users.' Planet Gamecube has the article here."

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Fr0st? (-1)

News For Turds (580751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229387)

You bet bizznitch. M4d pr0p3Z to all who care.

w00t (3, Funny)

e12532 (158556) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229392)

Think what we could do with a beowulf cluster of those (sorry, i couldn't resist)

Seriously though, it looks interesting -- the GBA is a nice little piece of hardware :)

Re:w00t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229904)

Why, with a Beowulf cluster of 100 GBAs, you could... run Quake 3, if Quake 3 had been designed to run on 90 separate and equally CPU-using threads!

Re:w00t (1)

Cintentions (647339) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230016)

intresting as it may be , but do you really think that the GBA should be allowed to enter into the PDA market. This would cause uneven balance between what the GBA was made for and what the PDA was also made for, two concepts that are not alike, not a good idea if you ask me. It may even casue GBA to get sidetrack and produce software for the PDA part of the GBA+PDA and possibly not produce any Proper Games for the GBA itslef, and this would cause the gaming market to lose money. also if this was also produced the price of the actual piece would go up. Children would not get them cause of the high price and also they have no use for a PDA. Besided what are they going to call it? PDAGBA or GBAPDA ? sorry had to add that in.

FP? wow (1, Redundant)

Wierd Willy (161814) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229404)

My Brother was experimenting with this a few years ago, he tried changing the processor and he monkeyed around with getting linux to run, but then he got a job and put it aside. I dont know what happened with that but this could be something interesting if they can make it work.

whhhhhaaaaatttt? (2, Interesting)

sickboy_macosX (592550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229406)

Notice to Nintendo! Stick with what you know best...gaming consoles, you already are the Apple equivliant in the Game Console Industry. NO PDA's NO MP3 Players! Just stick with ther games!

Re:whhhhhaaaaatttt? (1)

essreenim (647659) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229483)

Exacltly...

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=52843&op=Reply &threshold=0&commentsort=0&tid=127&tid=137&tid=100 &mode=thread&pid=5229448

They beat palm to it. (2, Informative)

fireboy1919 (257783) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229896)

Back in the early nineties there was a "game" called workboy for the original gameboy which was basically a PDA. It even came with a keyboard.

Of course, that was a flop at the time. But I think that one of the big problems with game consoles today (as opposed to before) is that you can get pretty enough throughput (which is the most important feature of graphical applications) with a general purpose CPU as you can with a gaming CPU.

So perhaps branching into the markets of their general use counterparts may allow them to be justified (well, I could get a PDA to use at work which plays games sometimes, or a gameboy...).

I know that I have pretty much decided that the age of the console is over. For me it's PC and PDA games from now on.

Again... (5, Insightful)

Slashdot Insider (623670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229410)

I know it makes for good headlines, but nowhere does it say Nintendo is endorsing this.

Re:Again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229493)

Yea but this way we'll get the dupe when it's officially anounced and get to see twice as many "in soviet russia" and "??Profit!" comments.

MOD PARENT UP!!! (1)

Siniset (615925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229542)

Sometimes the "summaries" of the articles almost make it seem like the submitter didn't even read the article.

These accessories are entirely third party. bah!

Nintendo Endorsement (-1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229741)

No, rumor has it that Nintendo is working on a special tentacle-rape adapter to accomodate upcoming hentai titles for the GBA.

Oh yeah, this will be good (4, Funny)

Cali Thalen (627449) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229416)

"Eventually, the company hopes that this technology can be used for study aids, advertisements, museum guides, or digital comic books..."

If they market the thing along those lines, I bet we'll be looking back next year saying 'What was that stupid game boy trick they were trying to pass off on us last year...?'

Protection?? Nah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229421)

> 'It looks like protection will be in place to ensure that even content recorded by users (through the use of a special adapter) will not be able to be shared with other users.'

I give it less than a month if the release this before some smart hacker figures out how to bypass that special adapter....

Re:Protection?? Nah... (2, Insightful)

Exiler (589908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229523)

Um, the GBA has a 3.5 mm headphone jack right? 20 seconds.

Two questions (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229428)

1. Does it run Linux
2. Does it play OGG?

Re:Two questions (1)

Fulkkari (603331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229530)

1. Does it run Linux
2. Does it play OGG?

Ofcourse not. Everyone knows that Linux has a lack of games, so it couldn't run on GameBoy Advanced. That wouldn't just be appropriate.

Re:Two questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229605)

why on earth would you want it to play OGG? people still fail to realize one crucial point about OGG and its comparison to MP3.. compression size.. as well as lossyness.. OGG's lossyness compared to MP3 is much higher.. and not even that.. the size of an OGG file in comparison to a 192/44 rip to an MP3 is much higher.. the only reason there are people who are inanely obsessed with OGG is because of its licensing compared to MP3.. which I personally don't see how it would make such a big deal to a typical Joe Shmoe like me who would encode his own CDs to MP3s and/or download the MP3s myself.. last I checked.. i wasn't planning on running a business of any sort involving MP3s..

Re:Two questions (1)

darqchild (570580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229963)

No.
ogg is supposed to be 30% higher compression with equal quality,
OR
30% higher quality, with equal size.

what (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229429)

what kind of world do we live in where protecting the property rights granted by the constitution to content creators is "pandering to the DMCA"? if you ever created anything worth copyrighting and selling, you would think differently about every Tom Dick and Nigel shitting all over your livelyhood.

Re:what (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229526)

you mod me down troll but the last laugh will be mine.

such industry luminaries as metallica and dr. dre have come out publicly to state that they want and expect their copyrighted works to receive the protection promised by the supreme law of the land, the u.s. constitution. on the other hand, we have a burnt out hippie has-been like janis ian trying pathetically to get press by saying that since she has no problem with people stealing her product, nobody else should have a problem. the argument is clearly lopsided; the people whose opinion matters, the content producers, are in agreement that theft of copyrighted material is wrong. for the opposition, we have a bunch of nabobs who don't give, but want to assert their right to take. backing up the opposition we have the lumpen proletariat, who are quite happy to tear to shreds the property rights of a few gifted creators, naively believing that there are no consequences for anyone. a few have the nerve to vilify anyone who tries to stand up for their own property rights; "gee, thanks for this catchy song! how dare you try to charge me money for it! i spit at you!" i think that legislation like the dmca and preexisting copyright laws need to be more strictly enforced to make some examples, before the world devolves into a completely anarchic state of nature.

if there is any justice in this world, this post will be modded +1 informative.

Re:what (1)

linux_beginner (646957) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229620)

I agree with Anonymous Coward on this point, That the rights of the Individual should and must be protected. Otherwise the rise in the cost of Music and Software and other forms of entertainment are just going to keep going up for all of us that is why i have switched to using Linux because i can no longer Afford the Microsoft's Software any more Just my opinion, i have intended to start a war over an old issue just wanted to say i agree with someone who feels the same as i do. Respect to you all, Russell Morton.

Re:what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229658)

thank you for your input russel morton. the amazing thing is that even people who support lunix and the gpl will defend theft of copyrighted property, when the gpl is just another license granted by a copyright holder. violating the gpl by, for instance, redistributing binaries without source code is a violation of the same basic copyright laws that protect brittany speares and limp biscuit. the copyright holder has every right to be angry and pursue legal action because the material is not being used under the conditions he or she stated when he or she released the material to the public. property is property, and it is up to the creator of that property or assignee to determine the rights of others to it.

Re:what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229696)

it is up to the creator of that property or assignee to determine the rights of others to it.

Does that mean it's up to GOD, The Creator? Or does that mean you are GOD?

I think that sentence should read, "property is property, and it is up to the creator of that property or assignee to persuade others that they have any rights over said property."

Nooooo (4, Insightful)

Kirby-meister (574952) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229431)

I just want games.

I don't care if my PS2 can run Linux, or my Xbox can be turned into some media center. I don't care that my Gameboy Advance will soon try to take the place of my iPod.

I just want games. I am a gamer. MAME for Xbox, or DreamSNES or other emulators for Dreamcast (play NES/SNES/Genesis games on your Dreamcast), or the new e-card reader for the Gameboy Advance I know some people would rather do the opposite of what I just said, but I only care about the games. Smash Bros, Panzer Dragoon, Radiant Silvergun, Gunstar Heroes, Super Mario Bros, Final Fantasy Tactics...not Red Hat, MPlayer, X server, Xvid, ogg....

Besides, I have my computer for all that other stuff. My 19" CRT is a much better choice for video due to the better clarity compared to my 20" JVC from 1995.

Bad etiquette replying to own post... (1)

Kirby-meister (574952) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229449)

..but I meant to say that MAME for Xbox, DreamSNES/et cetera, and the e-card reader from Nintendo are GOOD(tm) things for a gamer whose SNES collection is being killed off by nephews with juice and controllers falling to pieces.

Re:Nooooo (3, Insightful)

ShadowDrake (588020) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229642)

Convergence is, by and large, a good thing. It means fewer devices to pack, learn, and keep fed. The CPU power and memory is already paid for, and the system is presumably designed to remain running fairly continuously, so why not only require users to carry one box and keep one set of batteries charged?

Re:Nooooo (4, Insightful)

WaKall (461142) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230139)

The more a device tries to do, the more likely it will have trouble and/or fall short. There's a lot to be said for custom hardware/firmware, instead of solving everything in software.

Convergence is a good way to solve some problems - cell phone + pager + PDA, for example. However, a functional laptop will never fit in your pocket, and a phone will never display enough to substitute for your laptop. So you'll have both and use/carry when appropriate.

I like having a separate device for games (aka, my GBA with afterburner). If it gets outdated, I replace it, and keep my phone. Likewise for the phone, I can replace it at will.

I imagine the market would get pretty saturated if you made every permutation of convergence devices for sale, and you'd still have to address the problems of battery power as you throw more processor to do things in software, or just add more hardware into a device and make it larger.

Then there's 8 year olds with GBAs - they probably don't need/want a cell phone and PDA.

Re:Nooooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229692)

Short reply: So what?

Longer reply: Your GBA isn't going to try to be diddly. Some consortium callin itself am3 is trying, but Nintendo is happy with you just using your GBA for playing games. Their whole angle is "just games", and it's a good one.

RTFA

Re:Nooooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229808)

I did "RTFA," and all I mentioned was -

1) hacks or "add-ons" like these are useless to me

2) I would rather people put effort into doing things that would allow for more games (like emulators), and

3) I already have an iPod, PDA, and computer.

No me gusta anonymous cowards who don't RTFP :\

this is normal for nintendo (1, Interesting)

trmj (579410) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229432)

They have never been much for sharing, even their old games. They can still profit from them and so still want to sell everything to users.

They currently still sell even their ancient NES games as playable on the GBA through the use of the e-card reader.

Just because nintendo has a great line of games and (in my opinion) a great line of consoles, doesn't mean they are a morally correct company. They have done everything from price fixing to scamming the government. They are the MS of consoles, even while MS is in the console biz,

Re:this is normal for nintendo (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229494)

They have never been much for sharing, even their old games. They can still profit from them and so still want to sell everything to users.

Imagine that. A company wants to profit from the product they create. Fuckers.

They currently still sell even their ancient NES games as playable on the GBA through the use of the e-card reader.

Thus, the ancient NES games are playable. If the makers of the game can turn a profit, why shouldn't they be allowed to do so? That's what they were made for in the first place.

Or should NES games enter the public domain after 10 years, because you want to play an emulator? Come on. It's not abandonware. Nintendo has all the right in the world to prevent the illegal copying of their games.

Just because Nintendo has a great line of games and (in my opinion) a great line of consoles, doesn't mean they are a morally correct company.

Bunk. It's like you listen to Lessig but you're not really hearing him. The creators of the work have the right to be compensated for their work, for a reasonable window of time.

They have done everything from price fixing to scamming the government...

This I know nothing about, but I'd be curious to read more if you've got links.

Sorry. It sounds like I'm picking on you here, which is not the intent. I'm just bothered by your sense of entitlement.

Re:this is normal for nintendo (2, Interesting)

trmj (579410) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229533)

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of nintendo and have never owned another console (because all my friends had them and I would use theirs).

However, some quick googling turned up this link [bbc.co.uk] that shows the most recent price fixing by nintendo, occurring just last year. Some more searching will uncover much more.

Re:this is normal for nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229698)

didn't occur last year, was PROSECUTED last year.

RTFA, it says 1991 to 1998

STUPID

Re:this is normal for nintendo (3, Insightful)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229577)

Out of curiosity why should Nintendo "share" their old games..ESPECIALLY if people are willing to buy them? I just don't get the logic that would make you think "oh, well because they are old, they should be free"

That said, yeah, other aspects of Nintendo's operations have been..less than clean.

Re:this is normal for nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229623)

Out of curiosity why should Nintendo "share" their old games..ESPECIALLY if people are willing to buy them? I just don't get the logic that would make you think "oh, well because they are old, they should be free"

No, that's not it at all. They should be free because I want them.

Go fuck yourself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229684)

Your mom is free, but nobody wants her.

A Few Concerns (5, Informative)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229433)

My concerns are with the quality. The first is with the Audio...the DSP that is built into the GBA isn't going to be playing my favorite bands in any form of high quality. My second concern with with video. 240x160x16bit color basically can't be done in full motion on the GBA (just can't make enough memory writes before VBLANK ends). 240x160x8bit is though...but who wants to watch 256 color vides?

Re:A Few Concerns (2, Interesting)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229455)

"but who wants to watch 256 color vides?"

Ever hear of Smacker?

256 color videos have been out and acceptable for quite a long time. It's an encoding choice, not like the GBA has to dither it in real time.

Re:A Few Concerns (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229763)

True, the speakers are bad, but if you use headphones its a completely different matter.

Re:A Few Concerns (3, Informative)

vandel405 (609163) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229824)

I've Actually done some gameboy advance development (http://www.neo-modus.com/GBAAtaxx.zip). And IIRC, the GBA is running at 60fps. I doubt any mpegs are gonna be 60fps, maybe 24fps? Anyway, that doubles your write time. Anyway, you're going to need to double buffer, which means you should use mode 5, which is 160x128. So now you almost have a factor of 4 increase in time, I think it can be done...

But then again, who cares about 160x128 mpegs, unless its pr0n.

Re:A Few Concerns (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230058)

The sound can't be a great sample rate at any resolution. They are trying to get 5 hours of audio (notice they ddin't say music) in 24 megs of a 32 meg memory card. (note the loss of space to the DRM stuff.) Somehow, I expect my old compact cassette player to have much bette sound.
I can't imagine anything that anyone would pay good money for in that low-fi format.
The last time I tried to buy one of those cards for my camers, I could only find 64 meg and 128 meg sizes on the shelf. What gives spec'ing this to an obsolete 32 meg card?

Sounds familuar (1)

Playboy3k (552242) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229436)

Didn't something like this try and come out for the old game boy and were sued by nintendo it seems to be the same thing. I can smell a law suit.

-1 Exagerated (4, Insightful)

kweg (305533) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229438)

from the article -
"32MB SmartMedia card can hold up to 24 minutes of video, and 5 hours of audio."

That's some pretty low quality.

MP3's? (2, Funny)

Jippy_ (564603) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229445)

Aww.. kickass.. Now I can listen to a Zelda remix.... while I play the Zelda remake...

Game boy shmame boy (1)

essreenim (647659) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229448)

I think if anything PDA's with decent games will sell. My logic is thus: Only serious people want PDA's => People walk into a shop and don't want to hear 'gameboy' or 'playboy'!!! kids walk into a shop and here the word PDA and say whats this. The kid soon discovers the game boy is not the simple devide he wanted and buys a Game Cube instead.........The rest rights itself

Re:Game boy shmame boy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230032)

What's wrong with Playboy?

Sincerely,
Hugh Hefner

Special adapter (5, Funny)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229451)

"...content recorded by users (through the use of a special adapter) will not be able to be shared with other users."

Ah yes, the 'cone of silence'...how unique :)

Audio + Video do not a PDA make (4, Interesting)

Mr_Tulip (639140) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229452)

I fail to see how this will make the Gameboy Advance into a PDA.. Although I'd love this to happen, coz then I could claim a gameboy as a legitimate Tax Deduction =)

One thing that it lacks is a proper input device. To enter addresses and send emails etc. you need, above all, a quick and accurate way to enter text into this beastie

What format is this? (4, Insightful)

Arcaeris (311424) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229464)

"A 32MB SmartMedia card can hold up to 24 minutes of video, and 5 hours of audio."

Holy God, compression are they using? On the audio side, a 128 kbps mp3 runs at about 1 MB/min, and that sounds like crap to the discerning ear. I guess on the Gameboy speakers it won't really matter: all you'll hear are pops and cracks.

As for the video, 24 minutes? I guess if the screen is small and the resolution bad, but who wants to watch porn on their Gameboy anyway? I never dreamed of the day I'd see GameBoy Pocket Pool.

Re:What format is this? (1)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229508)

Don't look at the Planet Gamecube's abstract. In original article [excite.co.jp] it said (emphasis mine):

The software for reproduction, codec technology, etc. are included in a media [ not an adapter but ] side. If the animation for about 24 minutes is recordable on 32MB of SmartMedia Although the codec of an animation corresponds to ARM-7 CPU carried in GBA, the details of the formats, such as the bit rate, are not clarified.

Planet GameCube just take whatever am3 [am3.co.jp] announced without digesting it. The original article stated clearly that there are some missing information.

1 word (1)

loraksus (171574) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229746)

Midi.

blah, blah, etc, stupid filter time wait thing etc, etc

Why doesn't /. (4, Informative)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229467)

link to the original article [excite.co.jp] directly? Planet Gamecube's just point to that link with rubblish abstract.

Maby Slashdot does not link to it because..... (1)

Poppa_joe (571379) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229546)

Maybe Slashdot does not link to it because it is in Japanese? It seemed obvious to me.

Re:Maby Slashdot does not link to it because..... (1)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229559)

Maybe Slashdot does not link to it because it is in Japanese? It seemed obvious to me.

If you bother to click on it, you'll see it's an English article. :)

Re:Maby Slashdot does not link to it because..... (1)

SuperRob (31516) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229773)

Actually, it's a link to a Japanese site, but the link sends it through Excite to be translated.

propriatary media content? (2, Interesting)

MoFoYa (644563) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229481)

SO, if I have a large volume of audio/video files already then there is not much point to this because it wont play my current files. Unless, if I understand right, I transfer the files to their 'special' smart media cards with the codec built in.

And, what if I copy something to the device? That media belongs to me now right?
How can i archive this new media to my PC with the rest of my files if there is 'protection' from copying files?

This seems like a pointless attempt to get PDA functionality out of a piece of hardware designed to only play games.

PDA market? (5, Interesting)

Chris Canfield (548473) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229484)

A: the article in question says that a consortium of 3rd party companies (Toshiba, Imagica, and Bandai), none of which are related to Nintendo, have created essentially an MP3 / media player for the Game Boy Advance.

B: MP3 players for the original Game Boy have been available for many years, and never sold particularly well. This was probably due to the decompression being done in hardware, driving prices up. 40 dollars for an MP3 player isn't bad.

C: The article mentions Museum tours and Manga as potential content to be distributed on this system, none of which compete in any way with the IPod.

D: The article says you will be able to get 5 hours of audio on a 32 MB smartmedia card. Either this means the compression level will be rediculously high and the output quite, quite bad, or they are using MIDI / Mod techniques, or (and this is my personal opinion), Planet GameCube just doesn't have a factchecker on staff.

DMCA Pandering? Competition for the 20GB gee-I-sound-and-look-sleek Ipod? Are people throwing random buzzwords into stories theses days in order to get them posted? What does this even have to do with PDAs?

Come on Filmsmith and Timothy... Justify yourselves. What do you know that we don't?

P.S. The article that this article is based upon can be found, with pictures, here [excite.co.jp] .

Re:PDA market? (1)

shivianzealot (621339) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229594)

Are people throwing random buzzwords into stories theses days in order to get them posted?

Do you know of any other Slashdot?

Too bad... (1, Informative)

llamaluvr (575102) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229486)

The Game Boy Advance SP won't even have a headphone jack.

Re:Too bad... (2, Informative)

Slashdot Insider (623670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229509)

Then I guess this [planetgamecube.com] and this [planetgamecube.com] must be a figment of my imagination then?

Re:Too bad... (2, Insightful)

llamaluvr (575102) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229631)

ummm...yeah...after every other Game Boy has included that on-board, I was kinda expecting the same thing for the SP. I don't appreciate having to pay $10-15 extra just to have the ability to actually hear the game.

Re:Too bad... (1)

Slashdot Insider (623670) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229669)

It includes a rechargeable battery and AC adapter does it not? I guess you don't appreciate that either? At least I don't have to worry about the jack breaking like the output on my SB Live.

Re:Too bad... (1)

llamaluvr (575102) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229766)

I'd have to agree with you on that point. I mean, I don't have a car, so I don't have to worry about it breaking down.

Then again, that also means I stay home on the weekends.

Judging by the size of the external earphone adapter, would it have cost that much space for Nintendo to include one on-board?

It's a bit OT, but it seems lately Nintendo's been all about chiding people to buy as much stuff as possible. For instance, they are releasing more and more Game Cube games that require the GBA and the 'Cube-GBA connector cord to be able to use all the features. Supposedly, the new Pokemon Arena game for the 'Cube will REQUIRE the GBA, the connector, and the GBA Pokemon game in order to play it. They made the GBA screen such that you have to be standing on the sun in order to see it, and now they're selling another GBA that fixes that problem. And now the headphone adapter fiasco!

I know I'm not forced to buy any of this, but I really miss the days when things were fully functional right out of the box.

Re:Too bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229774)

dude, nothing is yet confirmed whether there will be games that REQUIRE GBA connectivity. As of now, everything is OPTIONAL; Metroid Prime connects to Metroid Fusion just for some goodies (namely the original Metroid), Animal Crossing links with the GBA so you can reach an optional island.

Re:Too bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229888)

If they would port Perl to make use of the connection I'd be sold!
I'd have to agree with you on that point. I mean, I don't have a car, so I don't have to worry about it breaking down. Then again, that also means I stay home on the weekends
Not true! You could take public transportation but you sound like the type that wouldn't want to lower yourself to that level! I know I wouldnt!

Re:Too bad... (1)

Frac (27516) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230023)

Judging by the size of the external earphone adapter, would it have cost that much space for Nintendo to include one on-board?

Perhaps Nintendo has done some surveying and realized that the majority of their users don't use the headphone jack? For example, I've never used it, and I'm glad that I won't have to pay for the extra bloat in size and price just because of a small minority that does.

but it seems lately Nintendo's been all about chiding people to buy as much stuff as possible.

As opposed to the good ol' days when all companies are quite nonchalent about making money?

For instance, they are releasing more and more Game Cube games that require the GBA and the 'Cube-GBA connector cord to be able to use all the features.

more and more? Sure, there's the new Pokemon game, and then there's the new Pokemon game. Most games that link the GBA to the GCN provides extra value to the gamer, and only until now. Calling a jump from zero games to one game is not really a trend of "more and more", you're just sensationalizing your arguments to make this seem like a big deal.

And this:

I know I'm not forced to buy any of this, but I really miss the days when things were fully functional right out of the box.

They made the GBA screen such that you have to be standing on the sun in order to see it, and now they're selling another GBA that fixes that problem.

You mean the original GameBoy and GameBoy Pocket didn't require you to be around direct sunlight? That's odd, because I thought only the GameBoy Pocket light was self-emitting.

Nostalgia sometimes distorts the facts, doesn't it?

bah... already got 11 & 1/2 hours in my pocket (3, Insightful)

skermit (451840) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229498)

Nobody talks about MP3/CD players. My new iRiver SlimX 400 [iriveramerica.com] has about 11 and a half hours at 128kbps, with full track titles, 23 hour battery life, and even an FM tuner. Plus if you get bored, you can play snake (nibbles, etc.) on the smart remote it comes with. It's thinner than a AA battery on the side, and looks like 5 CDs stacked on top of one another. Not to mention I don't have to worry about taking an hour of my favorite music, I just burn 700mb at a time and take what I want, where I want. Plus iRiver actually puts a lot of support behind their products, and if you check out the firmware site, they update around every couple months, adding new features, and even increasing batterylife by use of intelligent buffering techniques. Oh... did I mention there's 6 minutes of anti-shock? Hah... GBA audio lame... Overpriced mp3 harddrive players lame... Expensive smart media/flash mp3 players lame...

Re: overpriced jukeboxes? (3, Insightful)

bmerlin (471269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229674)

I'd say that $199 is overpriced for a CD-MP3 player. I'd rather just fork out the extra $100 and get a nice 5 gig iPod [apple.com] , complete with near-instantaneous (esp. compared to CD burning) file transfer and complete integration with my music software. That, or there are plenty of other [archos.com] jukeboxes [creative.com] available right in your price range.

Re: overpriced jukeboxes? (1)

lvdrproject (626577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230119)

I myself have a RioVolt SP250 [sonicblue.com] , and for an MP3/CD player, it's probably one of the best. I haven't tried the iRiver (which looks cool), but i know it's better than those shitty MP3/CD players that Sony's trying to sell (three of my friends have them, and they're horrible).

Anyway, i fail to see how $199 is over-priced for an MP3/CD player. My brother has a 10-gig iPod, and it's really really nice, but you have to look at a couple of things when considering an iPod:

01.) No CD support. -- That means you can't just pop in one of your friends' audio CDs when, say, you're in the car. It also means that when you get tired of what's on your iPod, you have to hook it up to the computer, delete stuff from it, and then transfer stuff to it; whereas with the MP3/CD player, you could carry a CD booklet in your bookbag or car or whatever, and just switch between 700 megs of MP3s whenever you want.

02.) It's expensive. -- No matter what size of an iPod you get (unless you get a used one off eBay or something), the iPod costs, like you said, $100 more than any MP3/CD player out there today. And add $100 each time you go to a higher size.

03.) Requires FireWire. -- I guess you're all set if you have a newer Mac (and if you do, you can probably afford a 20-gig iPod anyway :p ), but if you don't, there's a very good chance that you're going to have to buy a $40 FireWire PCI card when you order your iPod. This raises the actual price of your iPod, and it depends on you having an extra PCI slot.

Really, the only thing you need for an MP3/CD player is a CD burner, and pretty much any computer you buy today will have one, or will have an option. I can't imagine buying a new computer without at least a CD-RW drive. Then again, you don't really even need that. You could just play regular CDDA if you wanted, heh.

What i'm really looking for is an Ogg/CD player. That would own.

Expansion Again (3, Informative)

grimsweep (578372) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229500)

There was a company a looong while back that wanted to turn the *original* GameBoy into a PDA of sorts. They created a keyboard module that came with the cartridge.

Not a bad idea.

What would really get my attention is a 802.11 wireless pack for the GBA. It'd probably be a little nicer than what affordable web-enabled cell phones can offer, and far more bandwidth (even at low-power modes).

It'd be quite a challenge, but very rewarding. Not many people can afford to grab a PDA just for surfing the web wireless, but I certainly wouldn't mind a GBA solution if the price was right.

The only big inconvenience might be typing. Maybe a stand and a keyboard attachment?

Re:Expansion Again (3, Insightful)

The Notorious ASP (628859) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229593)

I'm not even sure where to begin. To me, this falls under the "sure, it can be done, but... um... why?"

I mean, really, I could modify my $0.89 bic lighter into a gas grill of some sort, maybe cook up some food in a really shoddy fashion, but is that really a solution?

Why don't we just let these devices stick to what they really are. A Game Boy is a Game Boy, not a PDA. Want a PDA? Drop the money on a PDA. Can't afford a PDA? Then you probably don't actually need a PDA, you just want a PDA.

Just my .02. I really do understand having fun with this stuff, I hack around on useless crap all the time, I just don't see the point in saying there's a lot of real good use to this. Let's call it geeky fun and be done with it! ;)

Re:Expansion Again (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229728)

A GBA with a bluetooth or 802.11 module and perhaps some IR or something would be an ideal "smart home" controller. It's got a few buttons that can be used to navigate menus in some standard way. You could basically use it as some kind of thin client for custom content, maybe with a little flash player if you wanted to get really froggy.

It would be considerably cheaper than doing it with any other platform I can think of if your desired feature set includes a color screen and ready retail availability (IE, no starting with anything used.) The only problem is the lighting issue, which does raise the price somewhat. The newer lit model may improve on this issue.

It would be nice to have a cart with some flash, fairly high-speed IR, and bluetooth or 802.11. I don't really care which, 802.11 is probably more convenient in that people have them already, moreso than bluetooth gateways.

MORE SHIT THAT BEEPS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229503)

Needless to say, this is a historic achievement.

Digital Comic Books? (1)

paughsw (620959) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229514)

Digital comic Books? you mean like this? [imdb.com] Josh Baskins Strikes Again!!!

Re:Digital Comic Books? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229619)

Interviewer: Where did you go to school?

Josh: It was called George Washington.

Interviewer: Oh G.W. My brother-in-law got his doctorate there. Did you pledge?

Josh: Yes. Every morning.

Oh, sure, let me jump right on this bandwagon. (2, Insightful)

Glytch (4881) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229528)

Instead of spending $150 for a low-end Clie, or spending $50 on a clearance-sale Visor Deluxe (thanks for the boxing day sale, Staples! :) ), someone will go right out and spend $100 for a GBA, plus $40 for the adaptor so that they can use a substandard PDA.

I know by the time I press "Submit" everyone else will have made the same point, but it had to be said.

Re:Oh, sure, let me jump right on this bandwagon. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229721)

I know a number of people who have retreated to electronic roladex equivalents or slightly more featureful devices like the wizard. If you add that functionality to game playing, and you really want to play games -- And the GBA is sort of like a cartridge-fed playstation, it's quite powerful and has a great form factor, and a decent screen. Especially if you install that side lighting hack. (Someday I'll get a GBA and I'll do that stuff, but I don't have money to throw at that just now.)

Also GBAs are less than $100 in retail stores now.

I think you're missing the point (1)

Andorion (526481) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229980)

Noone's going to buy a GBA then buy the addon just to use it as a PDA. It's a friggin GAME BOY ADVANCED, it's made to play games. The PDA (or mp3-player) functionality is just a bonus. Nothing wrong with the ability to 'do more' with an already fantastic product =)

-Berj

PDA? I think not. (4, Insightful)

Latrommi (615673) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229532)

It looks like Nintendo may be interested in using the GBA to enter the PDA market

And how many other successful PDA's can you name that have no touchscreen or keyboard (other than the control pad and a couple buttons). Or are they going to come out with the GBA keyboard? Seriously now, the thing isn't even backlit!

um... (1)

chunkwhite86 (593696) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229554)

'It looks like protection will be in place to ensure that even content recorded by users (through the use of a special adapter) will not be able to be shared with other users.'

Ok, someone correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't this take away a great deal of it's usefulness? For example, if I want to record some lecture notes (i.e. audio) I will not be able to share those notes with my peers? Seems like there are plenty of more flexible alternatives already out there.

I'll wager... (1)

Quaoar (614366) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229560)

...that the device will be inaudible without a 3rd-party hack (AfterBurner Audio?). Seems to be Nintendo's modus operandi as of late.

It makes some sense, but for Nintendo? (1)

dWhisper (318846) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229565)

Given the current competition to Nintendo in the handheld market, Cell Phones and PDA's, this would make sense in a move to position themselves in the market's future. That's what all companies have to do to be successful. In fact, Nintendo has already been burned for being behind the curve (PSX taking their console crown, for example).

However, with Nintendo's hard stance of having all control of content and copy-protection, they would have a hard time surviving in this business. What I would invision is more of the closed model in this area, not so much a PDA but rather a Cell Phone with PDA-functions and game capability. Tie it to an account, and prevent a lot of the transfers without using the minutes, etc.

I wouldn't say that this is a bad place for Nintendo. In fact, I would say this is where it needs to go. However... I have a problem imagining them having the success in this market that they would with the GBA and handhelds. Could you really look at a Nintendo PDA and think of it as a business tool, or a toy.

However, the GBA and the GameCube are both shining examples of compact technology integration, and the ability to play old nintendo games without special equipment would be rather cool...

Re:It makes some sense, but for Nintendo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229672)

Pleasde try reading the article. Nintendo is not even involved.

Gamepro article; Fallen Angels (1)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229569)

There's another article about this in Gamepro [gamepro.com] . A sharp-eyed Miyazaki fan noticed that Future Boy Conan, an early Miyazaki TV series, appears on one of the cards in one of the lower pictures.

Funny...in the Niven et al book Fallen Angels [baen.com] (the book that makes notable references to RMS), one of the methods used to get around the totalitarian anti-literature government is to retrofit regular gameboys to serve as covert e-book devices. Looks like life's imitating art.

Speaking of the iPod, I've heard a rumor that the next one will have sixty gigs of storage and a touch-sensitive screen, and be Apple's entry into the fully-functional PDA market. No idea if it's true, but it sure would be neat if it were.

WOW! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229590)

looks like protection will be in place to ensure that even content recorded by users (through the use of a special adapter) will not be able to be shared with other users.'

Is this Nintendo's idea of making a popular product???

WHO would by something like this??? No wonder nintento is a dieing company...

Listening to... (1)

resonator (151559) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229592)

I'm afraid to listen to my GBA for what it would have to say to me. I listened to my Rice Kripies once and I distincly heard them say "Snap, Crackle, Fuck you!"

Re:Listening to... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229625)

I used to love animals so much, until I learned how to interpret their speech.

You'd think that the ability to communicate with animals would be a useful ability... but my wish backfired on me. I wished to "understand what animals are saying," and not "communicate with them" as I should have. So I understand them, but can't talk back to them. Nor can they understand me.

Holy crap this is the worst super power ever.

Dogs. There was a time when I adored puppies and old dogs alike. But I can't remember that time. You want to know what dogs say all day? It's really just one word: "hey." You don't need a superpower to know that, but without one their banter is much less annoying. "Hey! Hey! Hey!" all morning and all night. Whatever happened to "Master, you're home!" Or "Yay, dog food again!" Or even "little Timmy fell down a well!" Nope, dogs say none of that... just "hey."

You should hear what birds are saying. Many times I am awakened by what used to be beautiful birdsong. Now all I hear in my brain is "hey baby! I got what you're looking for right here! Check out my singing: 'Oh baby youuuuu, you got what I neeeed! But you say 'he's just a friend,' you say 'he's just a friend...'" Too bad I hate R & B, birds can't get enough of that shit. I swear if I hear another bird singing Barry White, I'm going to buy a pellet gun. Damn birds . . . all they want is to hook up.

Except the pidgeons. Lord they have to be the dumbest animals on the planet. When they're on the ground they walk around and say "I'm walking, I'm walking..." and when they're in the sky it's "I'm flying, I'm flying..." Take a wild guess at what they say when they're standing still.

The other day I was at Sea World, because I wanted to hear what the dolphins were saying. It turns out they're not really saying anything at all. Actually, they're basically just laughing at us. Either that or reciting the solutions to equations that scientists haven't solved yet.

The worst part about this super power is listening to what insects have to say. I can't even walk from my car to my office without hearing half a dozen flies chanting "food lay eggs food lay eggs" or some other bug going gotta mate gotta mate gotta mate!" Ants and bees are the worst. Try to imagine what assembly-line robots would sound like. That's exactly what ants and bees sound like. They all like to shout their own name and current profession for some reason. A million ants screaming "I AM DRONE #8438213! I AM GATHERING FOOD MORSELS FOR THE QUEEN!" is enchanting for all of about 15 seconds. And I found out the hard way that when bees are pissed off they talk like professional wrestlers. The last one to sting me asked my if I could "smell what he was pollenating" or something, before delivering what he called the "ultimate poker" into my left forearm.

If there's one good thing about this lame super power, it's hearing what cats are saying. You wouldn't believe it, but when they meow they're basically saing things like "I love my human," and "people rule." Gypsy once said to me "Marky, you are my bestest friend." My god that was cute.

But it's not enough to offset the pain and suffering I go through listening to god's idiotic creatures every day. On top of listening to idiotic human beings as well. Someone shoot me now.

Reward these people (1)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229616)

This looks to be a good solution for something better than the iPod.

It has the potential to make the GBA superior in all ways to the current iPod. What if it could run Linux too? There we'd have everything we need

A better form factor, interface, and color screen. Not to mention audio in and out.

Also given that Apple are a traditonally legal-happy company we don't want to go hoo-haa over the iPod when there's a better solution

One not wrapped up in legal rangles.

Slashdot celebrates Negro Month: Sammy Davis Jr. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229637)

Sammy Davis Jr.

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Since his accident, Sammy's courageous spirit and ever-growing talent have won him increasingly enthusiastic audiences. Let's hear it for Sammy Davis Jr. !

Celebrate Negro Month 2003 with Slashdot.

Here is a better Link with Pictures (5, Informative)

doctor_no (214917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229703)

It seems like more a portable video player than an Ipod.

Here is the link
http://mb.vgdirectory.com/game020403d.htm [vgdirectory.com]
[slashdot.org]
"AM3 announced they will release a Smart Media Adaptor for GameBoy Advance and GameBoy Advance SP in October, which allows you to download multimedia contents and play on the GameBoy Advance. The AM3 Smart Media Adaptor will retail for 2800 yen, and the AM3 32M Smart Media Cards will retail for 2000 yen each. Downloadable contents such as e-Books, animated cartoon will retail between 200 - 500 yen each. AM3 is also planning to install kiosk terminals in convenient stores for customers to purchase contents."

good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5229735)

it doesn't say anywhere that the addon allows you to play games while listening to mp3s, my guess is it wouldn't be because it would need its own decoder and standalone machines like this are already all over the market.

it seems like a better idea would be to use a cybiko [cybiko.com] . these things also have memory expansion capability, you can download a software mp3 decoder, i believe it has some multitasking ability so that you can do other stuff while listening to mp3s such as play games and whatnot, it has wireless network capability (it attempts to create a network with all of the available cybikos around it), and something that should especially appeal to /. crew (or not) is the SDK available from the website that includes a C compiler. oh, it is also somewhat cheaper than a gba+$40 addon.

fine, it isn't a gba still, so buy that am3 thing then. am3? am2? shenmue?

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We are actually targetting the porn industry (-1, Troll)

Samir Gupta (623651) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229742)

We at Nintendo are very excited about this project, as you can imagine! I would, however, like to clear up a few things. While GBA can indeed be used as a PDA, or a music player or recorder, we are actually focusing on a specific application, and therefore have designed our initial feature set around it.

Specifically, having done extensive marketing studies within the Japanese and American markets, we've found that there exists a need for a portable pornography viewing device amongst our primary demographic of 15-29 year old males. After thinking about this, we decided that our Game Boy Advance would be the perfect vehicle for storing and viewing prurient images, video, and audio -- it's still a portable form factor, but not as small as one of the ultra-tiny J-phones, so you can still see an image big enough to whack off to. And it's not as big as a laptop either, which is much too big to lug around just for a quick porn fix.

Furthermore, the extremely limited viewing angle of the GBA's passive, non-backlit LCD, while normally a bane for gamers, allows the GBA to be used for viewing porn in public places such as trains, etc. where others may be offended if they see what you're seeing on your screen.

For all these reasons, and others, we are making pornography our primary initial, ahem, thrust for this accessory, and we will address other consumer applications later.

More information on the device (3, Informative)

doctor_no (214917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229769)

Is seems they plan on distrubuting content through kiosks [impress.co.jp] and the internet, as well as selling smartcards with content already on it.

They plan on selling music, videos, comics, e-books, and photographs.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20030204/ am3_13.htm [impress.co.jp]

The product's price seems resonable at 2800yen ($28.46US) for the device. The 32MB Smartcard will be 2,000yen ($16.75), and individual content will cost 200yen ($1.68).

Another interesting thing is that since Palm uses Arm7 processors and SDs that content will probably be compatible with Palm devices at a later date.

Links: (In Japanese)
Gamspot Japan
http://www.zdnet.co.jp/gamespot/gsnews/0302/04/new s05.html [zdnet.co.jp]
Watch Impress
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20030204/ am3.htm [impress.co.jp]
Offical Page
http://www.am3.co.jp/ [am3.co.jp]

Not a first party product (1)

MNJavaGuy (619805) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229836)

Before everyone starts wondering why Nintendo is trying to make this kind of move in the market (and I'm pretty sure I'm a bit late on that, but...) I'd like to point out that this is a third party that is producing this peripheral, not Nintendo.
"A company called am3, funded by Toshiba, Imagica, and Bandai..."
Probably won't even get a nod from the Big N.

Another media player for GBA (1)

jeffmock (188913) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229869)

Here's another media player for the GBA. It
looks like this one is shipping.

Songpro [songpro.com] (annoying website warning)

jeff

Not an entirely bad idea (1)

alpharoid (623463) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229870)

If the GBA has enough CPU power to decode lossy audio, It would be rather cool to buy a cartridge with SmartMedia (or XD, whatever) that would let me listen to MP3's on it. Or maybe even -- God forbid -- Ogg Vorbis!

It wouldn't even matter if the thing cost about the same as a standalone player... I'd buy it. Having one machine as a music player and gaming device just means one less device to carry around, and I could even look just a little less nerdy in the process.

No, wait. I'll be carrying a GameBoy with an MP3 hack. Forget what I said about looking less nerdy.

Listen! (3, Funny)

JanusFury (452699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229882)

Listen to your Game Boy Advance...

It's trying to tell you something...

Listen closely and you can hear it...

It's saying:
"You were actually stupid enough to buy an MP3 player addon for your gameboy? Hah!"

Remember the Songboy? (3, Insightful)

farfisa69 (526335) | more than 11 years ago | (#5229946)


Does anyone remember the songboy [slashdot.org] ?

Gameboy hacking made cheaper with SmartMedia? (1)

JayBonci (92015) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230120)

Consider this from the article:

"The compression/decompression algorithms are stored on the media, not in the adapter, and will take up some of the space on the cards."

And how long will it take a crafty GBA coder to write a fake codec that will kill the audio loader and load up a homebrewed rom off of a SmartMedia card? If you're exposing the loading process to a very easily writable media, then those are the risks.

Other interesting applications exist that don't right now on the GBA for things like photo albums and the like, because of the removable media.

It'll be interesting to see what exactly is used (if any) for "copy protection", especially considering the media. It won't ever be a great PDA (limitedness of input, etc), but it might be a fun gadget for a different market.
--[jaybonci]
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