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1st Episode Of Animatrix Released

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the there-isn't-one dept.

Anime 285

Devistater writes "The official Matrix page has word of the first officially released widescreen Anime episode of the Animatrix for download (in quicktime format). This is the first of 4 free episodes that will be released on the web. A total of 9 episodes will be availible for purchase on DVD within the next few months. The feature-quality anime shorts range in length from 6 minutes to 16 minutes. There's a trailer availible if you want to get a taste for what they will be like."

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Common RPN Misconceptions (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230280)

I already know algerbraic. Why should I bother learning a new system?

Because RPN has many advantages. It's quicker, requires less keystrokes and you no longer have to match brackets

But RPN is a pain in the neck!

No. Most RPN users agree that RPN is easier then algerbraic. For instance:

2* (4 + 7) =

is:

4 Enter 7 + 2 *

What's going on here? you are using a stack. Typing 4 then enter puts 4 on the stack. typing 7 + adds 7 to the stack. 2 * multiplies the result by 2. Not only is it easy, but you have saved 2 keystrokes already. now, let's take the square root of the answer:

ALG: sqr ans = 3 keystrokes
RPN: sqr 1 keystroke

Easy!

So, RPN is faster? Why?

Well, 2 reasons. Firstly it takes less keystrokes. Secondly, you no longer have to match brackets. This saves a lot of time

Why would I bother? RPN is as dead as *BSD

No, There Is A New Hope (TM)! HP is reviving their calculator line! Check out comp.sys.hp48 for details or check out this Press Release [yahoo.com]

hang on, if I make a typo I lose my work!

No. You have an 'undo' key

But I can't see my working!

yes you can. The HP4x series of calculators show full symbolic working

I DID IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230326)

I DID IT! I GOT FIRST POST!

Re:I DID IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230393)

You fucking pathetic loser

slashdot fark (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230281)

Fark beat you by a wide margin of time again. And even on a geek story too.

Re:slashdot fark (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230356)

actually they didn't. I submitted the story around 6 hours before it hit fark. Just took the slashdot people a long time (like 12 hours) to accept and post my story.

Pretty impressive (2, Insightful)

Hays (409837) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230282)

Technically speaking, the trailer was very impressive I thought. You might have to suspend belief for a second to believe the plot, as outlined, but it was very pretty and had some powerful imagery.

Huzzzah! (4, Funny)

Jim Ethanol (613572) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230283)

Anime and The Matrix! Two Great Tastes That Taste Great Together! I even Shutdown eMule to download this ;) -JE

Mr Anderson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230284)

Mr Anderson, it seems... you got your own anime.

Algerbraic is Dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230286)

It is official; HP confirms: Algerbraic is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Algerbraic community when HP confirmed that Algerbraic calculator usage has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all professionals. Coming on the heels of a recent hpcalc.org survey which plainly states that algerbraic notation has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Algerbraic is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [hpcalc.org] in the recent HPcalc.org speed trials.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict alberbraic's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Algerbraic faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for algerbraic because it is dying. Things are looking very bad for algerbraic. As many of us are already aware, it continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

TI's algerbraic calculator development team is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core engineers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time algerbraic's developers Casio and Sharp only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Algerbraic is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

RPN supporter Jean-Yves Avenard states that there are 70000 propfessional users of calculators. How many users of algerbraic are there? Let's see. The number of RPN versus algerbraic posts on comp.sys.hp48 is roughly in ratio of 500 to 1. Therefore there are about 70000/500 = 14 algerbraic users. Sharp DAL (Direct Algerbraic logic) posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of plain algerbraic posts. Therefore there are about 7 users of DAL. A recent article put DAL at about 50 percent of the algerbraic market. This is consistent with the number of DAL Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of mismatched brackers, excessive keystrokes and so on, algerbraic went out of favor with TI and was taken over by Casio who sell another troubled calculator. Now Casio is also dead, its corpse turned over to cheap chinese calculator manufactures.

All major surveys show that alg has steadily declined in market share. Algerbraic is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Algerbraic is to survive at all it will be among vintage calcululator collectors. Algerbraic continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Algerbraic is dead.

Fact: Algerbraic is dying

Way to download those ? (-1, Redundant)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230287)

My MPlayer Mozilla plugin refuses to work with this. Can anyone provide any alternative download URLs for the videos ?

Thanks

Re:Way to download those ? (1)

ishark (245915) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230293)

Same here. Also, a real download instead of streaming would be nice, as my network-enabled machine is way too weak to actually play such a thing....

Re:Way to download those ? (2, Informative)

pmerrison (472880) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230348)

I used wget on http://progressive.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/p rogressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixlgfinal_dl.mo v to get the high definition version (about 140MB)

Re:Way to download those ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230349)

This site [microsoft.com] sells something that lets you see it. Does does this one [apple.com] .

Re:Way to download those ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230432)

You have to buy something to get a fucking URL these days... Man, you can charge for nothing..

Re:Way to download those ? (1)

Pathwalker (103) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230451)

Or you juse download the reference movie.

if it is in XML [apple.com] , you just pick out the real URL.
If it is binary, you run strings on it and pick out the real URL.

Then, unless it is a RTSP URL, you just use curl or wget to download.

I don't get it... (5, Funny)

al_fruitbat (617734) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230288)

Why do robots need to wear safety construction helmets? ;-)

Re:I don't get it... (4, Funny)

Flounder (42112) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230366)

Why do robots need to wear safety construction helmets?

OSHA regulations, of course.

Re:I don't get it... (3, Funny)

_pruegel_ (581143) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230433)

Because of the need for cover? Your skull is robust enough most of the time as well so why do humans need to wear safety helmets?
More interesting: Why does one of the robots watch tv instead of processing the signal itself?

The DRMA, of course... (5, Funny)

Corrupt System (636550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230560)

Because it doesn't have a license to decode the signal. The same reason it's illegal to watch DVDs on Linux. Plus the additional restrictions introduced in the Digital Rights Management Act of 2005. You know, the one the MPAA demanded passed before making HDDVDs.

Download link... (5, Informative)

Corrupt System (636550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230289)

Here it is: The Second Renaissance Part 1 [aol.com]

Re:Download link... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230329)

That is not really malignant to use Quicktime. :(

I would have preferred a RealPlayer's streaming. At least this is distributed on several PLATFORMS!

Anyone to grab this stream??? :)

bye

Re:Download link... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230336)

My version of mplayer can play quicktime... why can't yours?

Re:Download link... (1)

Gtz (18854) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230541)

Have you tried it? MPlayer cannot play this particular file, because it uses some unsupported codec.

Re:Download link... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230379)

>That is not really malignant to use Quicktime. :(

>Anyone to grab this stream??? :)

FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

Well, I just watched the trailer (-1, Troll)

gazbo (517111) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230295)

The Matrix was a good film. Not amazing, but good. Why would I want to see "9 animated tales" giveing different people's views on it?

I am an adult; this is a cartoon. Type mismatch on line 17.

Re:Well, I just watched the trailer (1)

henele (574362) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230307)

It's less "different people's views on it" and more a bunch of mini prequels - doing things and telling stories which they couldn't with live action.

I for one am impressed with the way they have handled it and the outcome...

Re:Well, I just watched the trailer (0, Redundant)

Duds (100634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230317)

Well, there's no reason you want to watch it if you think animation is just for kids.

Presumably you think books are only for spotty people with glasses too.

wget + $this.url(); (5, Informative)

danalien (545655) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230305)

eeyy.

for lame masterl, simply do: wget http://progressive.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/p rogressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixlgfinal_dl.mo v

!note it's mov not mo v :P

Re:wget + $this.url(); (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230333)

eey! for gramar masterl...

simply do:
http://www.webgrammar.com/

If you just want to download it... (2, Interesting)

juancn (596002) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230314)

...and avoid QuickTime(TM) player, you can try:

wget "http://progressive.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixlgfinal_dl.m ov"

Have Fun!

Specifal Effects (1, Insightful)

gostats (647325) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230320)

I wonder if they spent a lot of time trying to figure out the Matrix special effects for this version. :)

URL, Impression and Kudos (4, Informative)

limekiller4 (451497) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230323)

Here is a to the 640-width trailer [warnerbros.com] for everyone who would like to perhaps save it locally and not use the imbedded junk. I hate that.

As for the trailer ...wow. Aren't I articulate? This is, essentially, fanfic. And it is pretty damned good.

God bless timothy for posting this at 6:49AM. =)

Re:URL, Impression and Kudos (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230346)

How is this fanfic? It's made by the same people who made the original.

Re:URL, Impression and Kudos (3, Informative)

Flounder (42112) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230375)

Actually, some of the stories in The Animatrix are created by the Wachowski Brothers. The rest are independantly created, but given approval by the brothers.

I believe that this one is created by the brothers, as it pretty much gives the origin of The Matrix.

Re:URL, Impression and Kudos (-1, Offtopic)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230421)

"It's much easier to mod me down than to post an intelligent reply."

It is much easier to mod you down than for intelligent replies to be modded up.

PLUGINS ARE GAY SHIT!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230328)

why do they supply streams for *3* different plugin players nowadays.. when everything ppl wanna do is just downloading their shit...

plugins suck!!! they suck so much i could shit when i think about it how much they suck...

Re:PLUGINS ARE GAY SHIT!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230387)

plugins suck!!! they suck so much i could shit when i think about it how much they suck...

Don't do that! You might hurt yourself. ... thinking I mean!

Damn (3, Interesting)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230337)

Heh, the first QuickTime movie that MPlayer fails on me with :(

Starting playback...
mjpeg: JFIF header found (version: 1.1)
mjpeg: unsupported coding type (c2)
VDec: Codec did not set sh->disp_w and sh->disp_h, trying workaround.
Error while decoding frame!04 ct: -0.000 3/ 3 0% 0% 0.0% 0 0 0%
mjpeg: unsupported coding type (cf)0.000 5/ 5 0% 0% 0.0% 0 0 0%
mjpeg: unsupported coding type (cf)

etc...

Re:Damn (3, Informative)

Pathwalker (103) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230424)

Hmmm - the codec is Photo-Jpeg.

Basically a bunch of normal jpegs in sequence, not even Motion-Jpeg. It's about as simple as you can get for a video codec.

I am amazed that mplayer would have trouble with that...

Re:Damn (2, Informative)

timmfin (556042) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230585)

I have the mplayer mozilla plugin version .34 and it works fine. My mplayer is .90_rc3

Re:Damn (1)

fateswarm (590255) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230598)

This is so because some quicktime videos have a menu driver start that cannot be handled by mplayer yet even if on windows these videos don't seem to have a menu i.e. they just start playing because there is no other choise than title 1

You have to play that, specifying the title number e.g. mplayer lala.mov -id 1

downloading (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230344)

If you find a key for the latest quicktime, after you download you can just click save as. Its about 144 megs long. They dont prevent you from saving it.
Alternativly, clear out your cache, go watch it, look in your temp files cache and find the 144 meg file, copy and rename it. Bam there it is :) Some quicktime files are made so you can't replay them from cache, but I dont belive this one is done that way.

just give me Matrix Reloded (-1, Offtopic)

NeuUnderground (647370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230350)

Animatrix may be nice, but i'll be happy when someone posts me a link to download Matrix:Reloaded and Matrix:Revolutions, someone out there must have it by now. right?

I just watched the first episode (1)

seldolivaw (179178) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230357)

It's great! The visuals are spectacular. If you've read the manga on the Matrix site before you will recognize both the style and some of the characters. I really admire the producers of the Matrix for not just turning it into a movie franchise, but into a fully-fledged universe, like Star Wars did. I'm looking forward to the rest...

Interesting but... (3, Interesting)

tjensor (571163) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230358)

... In the first film it they intimated that they didnt really know much history - they didnt even know the date. This seems to show quite a detailed history of what happened.

Its also quite sympathetic to the machines. If you are one of the last of a group which has almost been wiped out, you are unlikely to see your history from the point of view of those who did the wiping.

Re:Interesting but... (1)

seldolivaw (179178) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230373)

I think that's part of the reason it's done as anime, rather than live-action: to distinguish between the two points of view. The manga on the Matrix website is done from two points of view: that of the robots, before the war, and that of people still inside the Matrix who become aware in some way that the world may not be "real". Perhaps later episodes will take the human, trapped-in-the-matrix perspective.

Re:Interesting but... (1)

SirRandom (170675) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230384)

That isn't to say they haven't (since the first movie) uncovered data that wasn't destroyed. Perhaps the news networks had offsite backups of their archives.

Re:Interesting but... (1)

henele (574362) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230444)

"In the first film it they intimated that they didnt really know much history"

What do they actually *know* in this short? One name (b166er) and a rough geographic location (of the first robot city).

I'd say it is as accurate as contemporary news/historical records, and I'm sure everyone can draw their own comparisons :)

Re:Interesting but... (4, Interesting)

jgerman (106518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230455)

Just because "they" as in the characters in the first movie didn't know much of the history doesn't mean that there can't be other stories which do illuminate the history in the setting. Also the humans you meet in the Matrix are initially from humans that had been grown/put to sleep. The seeting of the movie is after the machines enslaved mankind.

Hanna Barbera needs to get in on this (2, Funny)

darkmayo (251580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230359)

Just image Fred Flintstone kicking Snagglepuss's ass then switching a sweet bullettime pan of scooby doo standing and.. get this.. BLINKING.. OMG... that would Ownzor...

Adapting anime for a new feminist millennium (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230360)

I have mixed feelings about anime. On the one hand, it's nice to see the influence of east-Asian art in American popular culture for a change (perhaps as retribution for what we did to Japanese folk music with disco). On the other hand, anime (especially manga) has historically been no better than pornography: it systematically dissects women into their component anatomical parts, except they're just fictionaly women. Now, this may be changing with the times, and there is a new crop of feminist apologists who'll tell you there's nothing wrong, that it is no more degrading to women than to men and that people of all genders are avid consumers. But again, to draw an analogy to pornography, it may just be that women are starting to internalize oppression.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the medium; just in how it's been realized and implemented. If only people were more aware of the intrinsic relationship between art and effects on society as a whole, then we might be a little slower to choose to make that buck at the expense of our common weal.

Ya Gotta Do Better Than That, Ace... (-1, Troll)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230392)

Somebody with points please mod this guy into the sub-basement as "Troll" before I'm forced to go to his house and kick him down a flight of stairs.

Re:Adapting anime for a new feminist millennium (3, Interesting)

dalassa (204012) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230468)

*Yawn* Of course anime is sexist and full of cheesecake, just as much as American shows do. the main difference is that the anime is far more likely to have sexually appealing underage girls.

As to anime as porn, replace every instance of anime in your previous statement with "movie." We have live action porn movies in this country, it uses a medium that is also used to convey works of art and random schlock. Just like anime. As a feminist should I avoid everything that might be tainted with non feminist ideals or should I just keep that in mind while I watch a damn goos show?.

If you want disturbing elements though, try reading up on the casual libking of sex and violence in Japanese culture. It gets very disturbing when you delve into it.

Re:Adapting anime for a new feminist millennium (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230534)

Depends on which American shows you are watching. I know they are all in their 20s, but they look much younger than that.

Re:Adapting anime for a new feminist millennium (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230516)

Wow. I have seen ignorance on /. before, but this is just crazy. Anyone who can call the works of Tezuka Osamu or Miyazaki Hayao "no better than pornography" should probably educate themselves before posting. Yes, there is a lot of anime with sex and/or nudity in it. So do American movies and TV. But there is also anime with significantly better feminist messages than just about any Disney film (see any film by Miyazaki, Matsumoto Leiji, etc.), anime which raises interesting questions of gender roles (Shoujo Kakumei Utena, Versailles no Bara), and countless titles which no one could possibly find offensive.
So before you make blanket comments (especially about something as varied as anime), try to have some clue what you're talking about. Or at least give evidence.

Re:Adapting anime for a new feminist millennium (3, Interesting)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230545)

There is a certain substantive portion of the anime produced for which the above is entirely true. It certainly is not a troll. To the extent that japanese women view japanese pornography - which is vile stuff, substantially - this is spot on, and a great deal of anime is merely sexist. American women view slasher movies which might follow in a similar psychological vein; I'm not sure that "internalising oppression" is really what is happening - people have a certain fascination with the horiffic which I think draws women to watch horror movies, and may draw japanese women to watch japanese pornography, such of it as includes a great deal of rape or S&M or what have you. To say that women who view softcore pornography are necesarilly self-loathing is excessively prudish. More apologetics below.

However, and this has been true for a long time, it is not a recent devlopment, a great deal of anime is not sexist.

In a lot of anime the female characters are stylised representations with exagerated secondary sexual characteristics - this is often true in material which objectifies women in a sexist fashion, but sylised (cartoony) representations of people do NOT necesarilly objectify them. Any particular work must be viewed as a whole. Having been a teenage boy, I can say that my perception of women at that time was hyper-sexualised; this is pretty much universal among straight teenage boys.

Is adolescent male sexuality inherently sexist? I think that it is not.

Is it sexist for artists who were teenage boys to represent female characters in this way, particularly if the protagonist is an adolescent male, as is often the case? It is not. It's an accurate representation of an internal environment, which is what a cartoon is intended to do.

To the extent that this stylistic element is repeated in works by women, which are about 50% of what is produced - I will not speculate on the internal environment of adolescent girls, but I don't think this arises from self-loathing, I think that would be reflected in the female characters behavior rather than in how they are drawn.

Finally, in a sexist society (Japan) is it sexist to represent sexist interpersonal relationships in a work of fiction? I agree that it is good and laudible for a work of fiction to attempt to break down popular preconceptions and prejudices, but it is always okay for a work of fiction to reflect one's actual experiences.

Any idea (-1, Offtopic)

spacefight (577141) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230376)

how to prevent our Netscape Proxy from lowering the download spead down to 4K/s? Or can someone zip it and put a mirror up, cause zips don't get lowered in d/l speed :)

It's Pretty Good stuff (1)

TwistedKestrel (550054) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230380)

The first episode is kinda cool, although I could do without that (spoiler)graphic murder scene(/spoiler). Interesting how humanity always seems to create robots and then provoke them to destroy them :P. Those damned dirty robots!

What exactly is going on? (1)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230391)

What does The Matrix have to do with anime? As far as I know, The Matrix is an American movie. Have they hired a Japanese studio to make the animation? Or is it just an American studio trying to mimic the Japanese styles?

(I haven't watched the videos yet, I'm downloading them right now.)

Re:What exactly is going on? (2, Informative)

darkmayo (251580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230397)

The movie was heavily influenced by anime and asian action films.. makes sense to do anime stories of the matrix.

Re:What exactly is going on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230447)

The orginal movie concept started life as an Anime series. (Serial Experiments Lain).

That Wachowski Brothers really loved the idea, and with their love of Asian Kung Fu movies decided to bring the whole story to life.

This takes the whole Matrix concept back to it's roots. Most of these episodes are written by the Brothers (a couple are done by other writers). They are done as anime because that is where the original inspiration came from.

If you watch the bonus footage on the DVDs you get a clearer idea of just how far the Brothers have pushed this.

Matrix: another film by Hollywood Luddites Assoc. (4, Interesting)

magarity (164372) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230399)

The problem with The Matrix was its message: technology is inherently bad. The dialog places the blame of the whole Matrix world being due to "scientists messing with things they shouldn't" (paraphrased). Other movies, like the Terminator series, are just as bad. I don't get why such a blatantly anti-technology movie is so popular with the technology crowd, other than appreciation for the work that went into the special effects.

Re:Matrix: another film by Hollywood Luddites Asso (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230416)

I always thought it was over reliance on technology is bad...which it is.

Re:Matrix: another film by Hollywood Luddites Asso (1)

henele (574362) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230428)

"There was man. And for a time it was good. But humanitie's so called civil society soon fell victim to vanity."

This is followed by the robots feeling they lack respect from humans and aren't treated equally - they form a breakaway society and still try to interact with humans who don't want it.

If anything I thought you were just meant to replace the robots with your favourite repressed minority group and nod at how sucky ignorent majority groups are, as opposed to the robots being wrong...

But that might just be the rablings of a paranoid white guy :)

Re:Matrix: another film by Hollywood Luddites Asso (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230487)

>The problem with The Matrix was its message: >technology is inherently bad.

Still another problem with the Matrix series: they suggest several times that authority figures are inherently evil. I'd disagree with that. The machines in the Matrix aren't merely energy thieves; their software-driven world is a paradise for those who dwell within it.

You of course "pay" to be immersed in paradise. That sounds like living in most nations of the world. In real life, no matter what country you're in, you pay tax in some form in order for the government to protect and care for you. This framework is called the social contract.

Why I find the Matrix so disturbing is that it suggests that we can and should do away with this social contract without establishing a replacement for it. It blithely suggests that anarchy is a viable alternative to this. They seem to have forgotten that without the machines the entire software world will probably fail. What's more, the main heroes never attempted to create their own society through anything other than violence.

I think we often refer to that sort of behavior as ... Terrorism.

Re:Matrix: another film by Hollywood Luddites Asso (1)

jgerman (106518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230495)

It's because the message is not that technology is inherently bad. In fact the technology aspects of it weren't strictly necessary. The movie could have easily been done with a race of aliens enslaving humans, or a group of wizards. The way it was presented, however, was a suitably plausible way of telling the story. The underlying messages, of which there are many I'm amazed at the tremendous amount of thought that went into the first movie (and also afraid that the new ones will be nothing more than action movies), focus more on metaphysical questions.


Additionally, the concept of the universe (similar to the Terminator universe) is that there was a conflict between humans and artificial life. The first movie was told from the viewpoint of a human, of course a human would view the robots as evil, they're the enemy. A story told from the viewpoint of one of the robots wouldn't portray technology as bad at all. Watch the first Animatrix, there is definitely a pro-machine slant to it.

Re:Matrix: another film by Hollywood Luddites Asso (5, Insightful)

tbmaddux (145207) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230537)

I don't get why such a blatantly anti-technology movie is so popular with the technology crowd, other than appreciation for the work that went into the special effects.
Exploring the consequences of an increasing dependence upon technology is one of the classic themes of science fiction -- man builds computers or robots (take your pick), computers/robots become self-aware and decide to turn on their creator, man must fight for his freedom. It's right up there with time travel and means of transporting people/stuff faster than the speed of light.

These things are all MacGuffins. Don't let them distract you from the storytelling.

What makes science fiction interesting is not the idea of self-aware computers that want to kill us, or time travel, but the implications of those things for future societies... how people respond to them. Dan Simmons wrote one of the best S.F. stories I've ever read in "Hyperion" and its follow-ups and I'm pretty sure he used all three of those MacGuffins, maybe more. Alfred Bester wrote two incredible novels that, using your analysis, were "anti-telepathy" or "anti-teleportation," but in fact they were much more.

There are lots of bad S.F. books and films out there as well that explore (or try, or maybe don't even try) the same themes. "The Matrix" and the first two "Terminator" movies certainly were not bad. You might argue that one or more (or all) of those episodes of ST:TOS where Kirk blows up the evil computer controlling a society, or his ship, are better examples of how not to do it.

So, to sum up, it's not only Hollywood, it's not really Luddism, and if done right can be really interesting and enjoyable.

Oh, come on. (5, Insightful)

Fantastic Lad (198284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230553)

The problem with The Matrix was its message: technology is inherently bad. The dialog places the blame of the whole Matrix world being due to "scientists messing with things they shouldn't" (paraphrased). Other movies, like the Terminator series, are just as bad. I don't get why such a blatantly anti-technology movie is so popular with the technology crowd, other than appreciation for the work that went into the special effects.


Don't be silly. The insistence that people must belong to one camp or another is tiresome in the extreme.

Technology is just technology. It's not something to be For or Against. All it represents is the ability to use the natural elements of the Universe around us. What bothers people is the total lack of regard and responsibility displayed by those who make big, messy displays as they use Technology; as they interact with the Universe in destructive, dirty and dangerous ways which affect the world and everybody around them whether we like it or not. Technology isn't ruining the world. It's the greedy morons who are using technology in the negative who are ruining the world.

Films like The Matrix and Terminator aren't anti-technology. Heck, Frankenstein, the grand daddy of Luddite-style thinking, isn't anti-technology, even if Mary Shelly thought that it was, (and I'm not at all convinced that English professors are correct in their claim that she did!). These are messages which address the very real concerns that technology placed in the hands of greedy assholes is, in no uncertain terms, bloody dangerous!

I don't see anything wrong or misplaced in these concerns, or in being interested in the issues raised by those concerns. And in any case, The Matrix and Terminator were entertaining for more than just their sociological and special effects values. They were exciting films, for flip's sake! Change out of your camp tee-shirt, get on the bus, and come back to reality.


-Fantastic Lad --"Ain't no flies on us!"

Dang. Did I just get taken by a Troll. . ? (1, Funny)

Fantastic Lad (198284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230565)

Phooey. There's 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back.


-Fantastic Lad

Re:Matrix: another film by Hollywood Luddites Asso (1)

johny_qst (623876) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230558)

Please don't lump the matrix in with the terminator series. The wealth of gnostic imagery and actual metaphysics and philosophy underlying the cool bullettime action sequences is there to teach you something. Don't just blow it off as an action movie cause you didn't get it. Coming to terms with the machines and respecting life whether it is silicon based or carbon based is not being a Luddite. Though I sometimes do agree with King Ludd :P

Re:Matrix: another film by Hollywood Luddites Asso (1)

NullStream (121401) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230580)

I prefer to look at it as not necessarily technology is bad but from a luser's persepective it is so easy for technology to go out of hand.

Give it 20 years when even making toast is abstracted into some large machine we don't have direct control over. Joe Q. User would just say 'toast' and toast would come out. The user cannot appriciate nor have control over the toaster in fact quite the opposite. This ignorance fosters abuse ('it will always work so I don't have to care for it') in us lazy humans and when we make these machines more intelligent to deal with our ignorance it isn't too much of a stretch that they (the machines) may put off by our ignorance.

The main point is that in the facination with bigger, faster, stronger we lose the ability (as a people) to fully understand how we interact with the world and how it interacts with us.

Think of this as a Paul Bunyan story where the chainsaw has feelings and self awareness.

Anyways that's just my opinion. No refunds will be considered for any reason.

It's not anime (-1, Flamebait)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230411)

If it's not by Japanese producers, Japanese writers, Japanese directors, or a Japanese studio, it's not anime.

"Anime" merely the Japanese word for animation. It's not a genre. It's not a style. Use of the word "anime" refers to the source, and nothing else.

WarnerBros is just trying to ride the fad, and you're falling for it.

Re:It's not anime (1)

Nihilanth (470467) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230434)

by your own criteria, several of the short films are indeed anime. Animators and producers from cowboy bebop and deep submarine something-or-other are involved in this project.

Re:It's not anime (2, Informative)

citizenc (60589) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230435)

MAHIRO MAEDA - DIRECTOR

THE SECOND RENAISSANCE: PARTS 1 & 2

Maeda is best known for the series Blue Submarine 6 (1998), which he designed and directed.

He has also done turns as animator, character designer, and in other roles, on well-known anime projects such as Laputa: Castle in the Sky (1986), The Wings of Honeamise (1987), and Neon Genesis Evangellion (1995).
Sounds like anime to me. Please do some research before you hit the "reply" button next time.

Re:It's not anime (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230448)

I sit corrected.
Please do some research before you hit the "reply" button next time.
I might have, but there is zero information to be found on the animatrix site.

Re:It's not anime (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5230453)

haha

you snob. correction, ignorant snob.

T3 Rise of the Machines? (1)

acomj (20611) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230417)

I always wondered how Terminators would take over...Now I don't have to wait for the movie..

Oh wait..

The animation seems to fit both stories..

Animation was quite well done though. Thank goodness its early.

Filthy Machine Sympathizers! (2, Insightful)

Mantrid (250133) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230449)

I watched this last night (the short they released, not the trailer) saw some thing on it while my wife was watching Access Hollywood or ET...), it was neat animation and all, although the large format wasn't working, but the story wasn't that great. In fact it was actually quite disillusioning (is that a word?)- it seems like the humans were very mean to the robots - there was a robot holocaust and they were just defending themselves, trying to be free etc...so really what rights do the humans in The Matrix have to complain??? According to the short, they brought it on themselves.

Oh well, I'm just going to pretend I didn't watch it...

Re:Filthy Machine Sympathizers! (1)

O.F. Fascist (198664) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230531)

Death to the Machines.

You know if robots really did all decide to form up thier own nation in some desert area in the middle east I'm sure humanity wouldnt think twice about nuking them, unless they had nukes of thier own.

Matrix 3 (5, Funny)

ag3n7 (442539) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230463)

I can just see it now...

Morpheus: Neo, we now have the ultimate weapon against the machines... a weapon so powerful that our victory is insured...

neo just stands there with his mouth hanging open

Morpheus: The Slashdot effect. Named after cyber attack (per the DMCA in the early 2000s), it harnests the power of millions of overweight single geeks checking out the newest movie clip at the same time. This will allow us destroy the machines once and for all.

Neo: whoa
-- ;-)

Here are the direct download URL's (4, Informative)

Khyron (8855) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230494)

Someone please mod these up! Here are the actual URL's for the Quicktime files of episode one. Since the site is pegged at the moment, few people can even navigate the pages. However these links should feed you the movies directly, at least until The Slashdot Effect inspires WB or Apple to move them, hehe.

I would reccomend using a tool like wget or lftp to grab them, as my connection reset several times while downloading (due to the traffic I imagine).

Small (30MB+):
http://progressive.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/p rogressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixsmfinal_dl.mo v [aol.com]

Medium (90MB+):
http://progressive.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/p rogressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixmedfinal_dl.m ov [aol.com]

Large (140MB+):
http://progressive.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/p rogressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixlgfinal_dl.mo v [aol.com]

This is ANOTHER DUPE. Just ignore the story. (5, Funny)

SensitiveMale (155605) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230511)

Dammit, I can't download the file.

I gotta stop others from leeching until I can get the file.

Damn, that was cool (2, Insightful)

Spencerian (465343) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230520)

It's nice to have choices in entertainment, and a market that drives the creation of stuff like this.

While I like the "Star Wars" universe and even enjoy a few meager facets of the worn-out "Star Trek" universe, it's great to find anime used to generate realism and convincing stories within a very intriguing framework like the "Matrix" movies.

It's not extremely original, the story. We've got a basic Arthurian legend story going in the same way in the latter "Star Wars" movies. But, as any writer would tell you, it's all in the presentation. And present this offering does. Very fun to watch, and illuminating.

In case you'd like to watch it later (2, Informative)

Mr. McD (166893) | more than 11 years ago | (#5230586)

wget http://progressive.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/p rogressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixlgfinal_dl.mo v

or

curl -o http://progressive.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/p rogressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixlgfinal_dl.mo v
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