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Gnome 2.2 Released

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the dadburn-that-slippery-gnome dept.

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heydrick writes "This message confirms that Gnome 2.2 is officially released. And a month ahead of the originally planned six-month release cycle. Check out the Gnome 2.2 Start Page and use a mirror to download."

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frost pist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234162)

-1, Off-Topic

thanks for reading

GNOME AND KDE BOTH SUCK WORSE THAN WIN3.1! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234574)

Get with the program and get a non-bloated - stable os with a decent gui like Windows 2000 or Windows XP!

hrm.... (1, Funny)

xao gypsie (641755) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234165)

And a month ahead of the originally planned six-month release cycle...

it seems that Blizzard could learn a lot from these guys..

xao

Frist prost released (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234170)

This post has been released to inform the slashdot community that the
uiuc.test community is in jihad against slashdot's editors.

Cherish our balls

throw the gnome out the window! (-1, Flamebait)

Blaster Jaack (536777) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234171)

What would I do with this gnome? I don't like fantasy creatures. I would rather look out my windows.

Terminator 3 will be better than Gnome 2.2 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234172)

I'm a slave to your advertising, baby!
Must... waste money on worthless... trinket gadgets from Think-Geek... must start... uhngh... developing in .NET...

I've never seen (2, Funny)

Fafnir_b (558392) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234178)

Slashdot so close to being slashdottet...

But anyway, cudos to gnome team. Can't wait to see this nautilus-cd-burning thing in action - could be something for my dad (who seems to hate gtoaster).

Re:I've never seen (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234269)

If your dad hates gtoaster, I recommend he look into goatster [goatse.cx] ,

Guaranteed to burn your eyes, if not your CD.

Re:I've never seen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234448)

That's actually pretty funny.

the Gnome Liberation Front has won! (4, Funny)

Marco_polo (160898) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234179)

Oh wait.. Gnome for Linux... I thought this was about the heroic struggle to free the garden gnomes from their plight

http://www.freethegnomes.com/

In Soviet Russia... (-1)

-1bynextweek (642604) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234243)

YOU release gnomes.

From humane traps.

So stop waiting for someone else to do it.

Sweeet! (1)

3Kirt (615692) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234186)

Now i can stop checking the mirrors every 5 mintues.

:)

Re:Sweeet! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234535)

Wish you would. I already told you who the fairest is, and it AIN'T YOU.

lets kick the tires and light the fires... (0, Offtopic)

theIG (647290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234187)

Time to fire up good old wget.

dam it!... (1)

reactivo (189273) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234191)

I lost my time this weekend updating my GNU/Linux Debian system to GNOME 2.0...

make your time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234234)

You lost your time typing out "GNU/Linux Debian" when "Debian" would have sufficed.

You lost your time posting to slashdot.

You lost your time reading this.

I have RH8.0.. (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234282)

what do i do ? what do i do ?
I hate this anxiety , how i upgrade my RH 8.0 to KDE3.1 ,GNOME 2.2. I am really loosing it now. I can't take this anymore, time to switch ....

Re:I have RH8.0.. (0, Troll)

subk (551165) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234436)

its easy... rpm -e --nodeps glibc

Startup notification (3, Interesting)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234195)

Yet again, perfectly in time to be included in the next Red Hat.

GNOME can now show that an application is starting, so you don't feel the need to click a second time. For instance, if the application supports it, the cursor may change to a clock while the application starts if the application supports startup notification. Unlike some past attempts at UNIX startup notification, the new standard is reliable and robust, in keeping with the GNOME philosophy of things that "just work."

Does anyone know whether the KDE equivalent is a past attempt they are talking about?

Re:Startup notification (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234273)

No they are talking about xalf which had many problems. Startup notification is a freedesktop.org spec so KDE and Gnome apps should be using this, at least in the future. (I'm not sure how much KDE has jumped onboard freedesktop.org standards).

Re:Startup notification (5, Informative)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234306)

Does anyone know whether the KDE equivalent is a past attempt they are talking about?

Yes. The KDE system was a good first attempt, but suffered from not having toolkit/desktop integration as well as it could have. If an app didn't support it, or crashed on startup, the throbber would hang indefinately. This system has toolkit/X integration, and is only activated for programs that flag themselves as supporting it, so it's more robust and useful.

Re:Startup notification (1)

Eros (6631) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234390)

Regarding past attempts at startup notification. No I don't think they are talking about the KDE equivalent. They are most probably talking about Xalf. I library that you set in your LD_PRELOAD variable, that allowed startup notification on all sorts of apps, not just Gnome, IIRC.

I thought Xalf was pretty cool and would make a point of installing it if my distro didn't. And most distros probably didn't because there would always be an odd application or two that for some reason or another wouldn't load with it. Eventually, nobody maintained it for 2.0 and it was drop so far as I know.

It's good to see some application notification is back in 2.2.

Re:Startup notification (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234432)

perhaps, but just as likely they're talking about the previous gnome equivalent - which had a way of, ahem, not always noticing an app had started already, or permanently failed to start.

Good for them! (-1, Troll)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234196)

I'm glad to see the GNOME team still plugging along. Even though KDE is at 3.1 [linuxdevices.com] and has already won Germany over [desktoplinux.com] , it isn't too late for GNOME to grab a nice market. I just hope they spent the time and effort to get it right this time and that their early release isn't an attempt to "appear relevant" in the face of KDE's overwhelming lead. I really hate that kind of rat race mentality.

Re:Good for them! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234275)

Why do people insist on comparing version numbers as if they're absolute. WHY?

Re:Good for them! (1)

shadwwulf (145057) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234317)

I tend to think that Sun Microsystems backing gnome is an indication that Gnome does have a nice share.

Re:Good for them! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234556)

As in giving them a reach around?

i'll have to try it (1)

mandreko (66835) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234199)

I've always liked KDE, but more recently i've been moving more towards Gnome. I'll have to wait for a debianized copy, but I'll be glad to see what kind of new stuff we have :)

Re:i'll have to try it (2, Informative)

the Man in Black (102634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234332)

And here you are:

http://people.debian.org/~walters/gnome2.html

I'm personally running the Sid version, which works great with a few minor quirks (Rep hangs on occasion and needs a good -HUP spanking), nothing horrible to deal with. There are also unnoffical Woody packages, if that's your bag.

Enjoy!

Bitstream Fonts? (4, Interesting)

Kaypro (35263) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234200)

Looks like the Bitstream Vera font family didn't make it in this release. Anyone know an ETA on it?

Re:Bitstream Fonts? (4, Informative)

luge (4808) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234262)

The final license stuff is still being taken care of by the board. It's been a year in negotation; we didn't want to rush or hurry that just for one release.

in other news (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234217)

LNUX today dropped under 1.00 today. Possibly due to Colin Powell's bombshell
announcement that the Iraq gov't had purchased sourceforge for use with their weapons of mass destruction program.


"Hey, we'll do anything for cash", said an irate Larry Augustin (PhD). "Just ask Malda. He's turning tricks 2 blocks up".

Gnome 2.2 (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234219)

Thanks to all the developers who have really put in to get this release out the door - it looks unreal!

For those who have not already, check out the screenshots http://vhost.dulug.duke.edu/~louie/screenshots/2.2 /

Hey! (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234226)

When did they get that nifty dialog box with the even more nifty slogan? I can't find it in 2.2rc1. Anyway, I simply love that phrase.

Where we're going, we don't need roads

Oh yes. Sums up the whole of free software, that does. I like it lots.

I guess I should put something relatively on topic. Oooh, I know, this'll make fellow slashbots happy:

YOU CAN NOW HAVE TRANSPARENT PANELS!

Yes, 'tis true. Transparent panels rock. There are a few minor glitches, not all applets support it yet, but everybody loves transparency.

Re:Hey! (3, Funny)

intermodal (534361) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234353)

not all applets support it yet, but everybody loves transparency.

Yeah...especially Nvidia, ATI, and everyone else in the graphics card biz.

*pulls rip cord on his ancient Trident card to get it going again*

Re:Hey! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234500)

Hey that rip cord line made me smile. Thanks for that

Re:Hey! (2, Informative)

zonix (592337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234564)

Where we're going, we don't need roads

From 'Back To The Future' movies - it's Doc's line. :-)

Anyway, nice work GNOME team - now, to the future!

z

Sun (0)

sexx0r hermoine (645188) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234229)

I thought Sun just released 2.0. What are they trying to do, fall behind as far as possible?

Does gnome support the fish protacal yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234231)

It probably dosen't, since it dosen't even have a decent file open/save dialog yet., the KDE one is much better.

Re:Does gnome support the fish protacal yet? (2, Informative)

diamondc (241058) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234322)

there is a gnome-vfs addon that supports ssh. its part of gnome-vfs-extras, I think.

The new file selector will be implemented in GTK 2.4

If linux, use LUFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234474)

If you're using Linux, try LUFS [sf.net] and forget about application level filesystems. If not using Linux, you should "lobby" ;) so your OS gets something like LUFS. MacOSX is also going the same way, I think. FS should be a low level things (kernel, kernel + libs, server in microkernels...), so all apps get it.

Wheeee (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234236)

Yesterday, when i found out i'd finally be able to run GNOME 2.0 [slashdot.org] on the school's Solaris machines, i was incredibly cheerful, and thought, okay, the last annoying thing about solaris [for me] is now dealt with.

Suddenly this does not seem like i am getting such a good deal. :/

Looks like... (1)

mikerod (196144) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234238)

...sid will have gnome 2.2 and kde 3.1 in the same week.That is a big coincidence :-)

Transparent? (1)

endrek (547737) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234244)

Does the panel support transparencies yet. It doesn't seem to say indicating no, and that's dissapointing.

Re:Transparent? (1)

Skeezix (14602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234297)

Yes.

Re:Transparent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234310)

Yes, translucent panels are in.

Re:Transparent? (1)

luge (4808) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234327)

Yes, it does. It's really just not that big of a deal :) so it didn't make the release notes.

Re:Transparent? (1)

RossyB (28685) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234427)

Of course, many people have been using transparent panels since GNOME 1. All the code does it take a snapshot of your wallpaper and crop it. A one line 'convert' call will do the magic.

In fact I still use pixmap panels, as it means I can use GIMP to add funky shaded bars and other l33tness which "transparent" can't do.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234245)

Gnome releases YOU!!!

timothy... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234254)


JUST SHUT UP!!!

I need a clean desktop (1)

io333 (574963) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234258)

Is there a way to remove the Trash and Home icons from the desktop yet? I've been able to do this in XP and KDE3 since they came out. If I can't have a totally clear desktop, I'll pass on this release.

Re:I need a clean desktop (1)

remou (146100) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234313)

didn't in old gnome versions simply telling nautilus
not to draw the desktop (somewhere in the nautilus
preferences) take care of that????

Re:I need a clean desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234323)

Open a terminal, go to ~/.gnome-desktop and delete "Trash" and "users's Home", then hit control+R on the Nautilus desktop, they should be gone. I don't know if they stay that way (or come back), but it appears to work temporarily at least.

Re:I need a clean desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234328)

LOL, nice one troll.

Move it off the screen if your serious.

ignoramus!

Re:I need a clean desktop (2, Informative)

cehf2 (101100) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234340)

Nautilus draws the desktop normally, and it seems as thugh they have removed the UI element to configure whether you can put icons on the desktop, however by digging through the gconf scehema, you can stop nautilus from drawing the desktop by running:
$ gconftool-2 -t boolean -s /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
However this removes all icons from the desktop, not just the trash and home icons.

Crispin

Re:I need a clean desktop (2, Informative)

Kaypro (35263) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234350)

You can turn off all desktop icons from the preferences dialog in Nautilus.

Not any more! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234469)

The option has been removed. You can still do it but you have to edit the GConf registry to do it (use gconf-editor or gconftool-2)

Re:I need a clean desktop (4, Funny)

archeopterix (594938) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234411)

Is there a way to remove the Trash and Home icons from the desktop yet? I've been able to do this in XP and KDE3 since they came out. If I can't have a totally clear desktop, I'll pass on this release.
I just type 'X' (from the text-mode console) and admire the ultra-clean desktop.

On rare occasions when I need something done I type 'export DISPLAY=:0 ; sleep 10 ; xterm' from another console before that.

By the way, what is this Gnome thing?

Re:I need a clean desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234458)

You can just delete the files, though to get rid of trash your going to have to use the shell. cd ~/.gnome-desktop rm Trash

GNOME armageddon (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234266)

this is the sixth text revision done on 04-11-2002.

dear reader the gnome armageddon has started,

first of all i want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it. belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language. even if you don't care at all for gnome, you may find some interesting information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the need to switch to a different operating system.

on the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the gnome [gnome.org] community. the things that are going on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.

many of us like the gnome desktop and some of us were following it since the beginning. gnome is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of u*nix. only to name some of its advantages.

unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version of gnome. the core development team somehow got the idea of targeting gnome to a complete different direction of users. the so called corporate desktop user. in other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to pay money for getting gnome on their computers.

having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract by companies like redhat [redhat.com] , ximian [ximian.com] and sun [sun.com] decided to simplify the desktop as much as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. so far the idea of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.

some of the new ideas, features and implementations such as gconf [gnome.org] , an evil windows registry like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of 90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications, the new direction that gnome leads and the attitude of the core development team made a lot of users really unhappy. these are only a couple of examples and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. now let me try to get deeper into these aspects.

you may imagine that users got really frustrated [osnews.com] because their beloved gnome desktop matured into something they didn't want. during the time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. more [gnome.org] , more [gnome.org] and more [gnome.org] emails arrived on the gnome mailinglists where users tried to explain their concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.

but the core development team of gnome don't give a damn about what their users are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard purl. the reply they give is mostly the same. users should either go and 'file a bug' at bugzilla [gnome.org] or the user mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't really satisfying for the user. even constructive feedback [gnome.org] isn't appreciated.

if you gonna think about this for a minute then things gonna harden that they are directing into the commercial area. the core development team actually don't care for the complaining home user. it's more important for them to reach the customers with the cash. it seems that this has been told to them by the company leaders. everything about gnome has been decided already, a way back or direct communication isn't possible. don't get trapped by sentences like 'we listen to our users'. they listen to you - yes, to make funny silly jokes about you afterwards.

i thought that everything was build up on friendship, build on programming for fun, build on understanding each other. but the reality looks like it's all for the big money. the cash is what matters everything else is a lie and a dream. time for people to wake up.

not long ago they threw one of the most important long year core developer martin baulig [gnome.org] out of team. a guy who worked really hard on getting gnome into the right direction. a nice friendly person who put all his time into gnome. but narrow minded gnome elites such as havoc pennington [pair.com] were responsible that he left the gnome project. the trouble and the pressure that was put on him was to much.

with the new gnome desktop a lot of user interface changes happened such as button reordering [gnome.org] . needless to say that this confuse people who are used to the 'right' button ordering for ages. even our fellow linux guru alan cox [gnome.org] wasn't thrilled about this idea. but the gnome elites such as havoc pennington, seth nickell, calum benson and dave bordoley knew it better. why following the road of any other desktop that exists ? why not doing something that don't confuse their users and still stay usable ? well it seems to be too easy. gnome needs to be different than anything else so they changed the button order which was one of the reasons that users became unhappy. they said that there was a hard fight about this and the decision was made to change the buttons. but i belive they simply copied the behaviour of macos because most of the gnome developers use a macintosh as either laptop or desktop. sad that they forgot to keep in mind that users tend to mix applications and that this will lead into weird button searching and clicking.

but as if this wasn't enough the same people decided that the new gnome human interface guides [gnome.org] were the ultima non plus ultra in human interface guides. the announcement contained informations that the kde usability people got initiated into it. unfortunately the kde people heard about it the first time [kde.org] when seth nickell went to the kde mailinglist which happened after the announcement. you can imagine that they got highly pissed off about this attitude. you can read more on this link [kde.org] . to summarize it, the kde people clarified that gnome should care for their own business.

the problem that came with the new interface guides was, that every little gnome hacker started to become an user interface expert over night. a lot of gnome programs that we like to use matured into a disaster over night. hackers that never programmed correctly for their life started to blindly follow the hype of simplification. for an example look what happened to galeon's interface [sourceforge.net] (pay attention for the last paragraph). even philip langdale a long year galeon hacker got highly indignant by the target that gnome leads and wrote this email [sourceforge.net] to the galeon mailinglist.

here another reason why users became angry. the elite assumes, that the user knows nothing about their system. you find a couple of heavily insulting mails on their mailing lists containing sentences like the quoted ones.

  • "the user don't know what a window manager is"
  • "the user don't know what themes are"
  • "the user don't know what a homedir is"
  • "the user can't compile a kernel"
  • "the user don't want to customize their desktop"
  • "the user shouldn't see preferences which purpose they don't know"
you may imagine that a lot of people are being offended by such lines because it's exactly these gnome users who are meant by these phrases. to read more such lines on the gnome mailinglists, simply click on this link [gnome.org] and grep in their archives. be said that most of these sentences are coming from havoc pennington.

such evil practices shouldn't be tolerated by the users and need to be fighted. u*nix users aren't stupid people. who actually gave havoc pennington the rights to decide what the user wants and what not ? various users [gnome.org] told him that people who use a u*nix like system are well aware of their capabilities dealing with such a complex system. there's a reason why people are switching from alternative operating systems. they want to learn, they want to use the full power of the system, they want to change everything they like.

to top all this, look at the future plans of nautilus [eazel.com] . the current maintainers got the idea of changing the whole nautilus concepts into an object oriented user interface design. you may be highly interested in reading the exact words of alex larsson's vision for nautilus' future direction by clicking on this link [gnome.org] .

to summarize it, it's assumed that the user don't need to deal with his homedir or his whole filesystem because it may confuse him or because he don't understand it. the new concepts of nautilus should be that the user deal with symbols in the nautilus view. e.g. you get a cdrom symbol and by clicking on it you see the directory of your cdrom, you get a photo symbol and by clicking on it you get a list of all your pr0n pictures, you get a music symbol and by clicking on it you get a list of all your mp3's. you don't know where all these files are located because you don't deal with the bottom layer of your homedir or filesystem anymore as mentioned earlier.

the question is why are people that know nothing about their users, that know nothing about correct user interface design destroying gnome ? the users don't deserve all this specially those that backed gnome for all the years. even sun threw a bunch of so called user interface experts together and have them work on gnome. don't forget that sun are the creators of the common desktop environment [opengroup.org] . we don't need another cde clone named gnome. even havoc pennington author of the good user interfaces [pair.com] text isn't able to get his own written software following his rules.

not long ago there was an report about the 'two captains of nautilus' where the reporter (uraeus a gnome contributor himself) reported alexander larsson and david camp. you may imagine that such a report can't be taken serious because it's done by their own people. we here have a saying that sounds like this 'one crow doesn't hack the eye of another crow out'. now you can click on this link [gnomedesktop.org] and read more. it may be interesting to read the replies from various users all over the globe of what they think about gnome and nautilus in general (please pay attention to the listed ip's there). another nice and informative reading can be found by clicking on this link [gnomedesktop.org] .

the fileselector problem was a long discussed issue in the gnome community. finally they came to an solution for this and have decided to go for this [coreyo.net] ugly fileselector instead going for this one [wanadoo.nl] which was developed by a free volunteer for a long time and in general looks and behaves better.

most users have no problems with the idea of keeping things simple and clean. removing some not needed preferences was indeed a good idea but it doesn't stop. people started to remove everything from their apps. you're forced to use dubious programs like gconf-editor which basically works like the windows registry editor, to tweak uncommented preferences. i don't think that this is an advantage. even the possibility to tweak preferences with an editor was taken away with that ugly implementation of gconf. all your preferences are stored in a directory tree with an unknown amount of *.xml files. even if you delete programs their keys are still remaining orphaned in these trees and finding them is like playing trivia. at the end it's worth a discussion if a system driven by a single home user needs such a registry like system. we didn't need such a system for over 30 years but the gnome development team got the idea copying one of the most retarded systems from windows to u*nix. not to mention that the copy is more retarded than the original.

it's a shame to see how such a nice desktop got thrown into the trash by such people. but there is a lot more behind the scenes that i don't know about. everything around gnome is a big marketing strategy. poor people are working the hell out of gnome for nothing and companies such as those mentioned above are getting the big cash. for sure you could say - go and fork gnome - but seriously how can you go and fork gnome ? such a big project which needs a bunch of people to keep the code alive and compatible. well you know it's all about open source the code is signed under the gnu/gpl or gnu/lgpl, you can't own it. even the companies are aware of this. but if you can't own the code - go and hire their developers. you can direct them like puppets in any direction that you - as company - like. exactly this is happening with gnome.

well you could easily come up and tell me to simply not use gnome and let them do whatever they like. well, you are right with that but things are more complicated nowadays. gnome is influencing a lot of third party projects such as xfree86 which recently added a lot of gnome components into their cvs repository. please know that with the next coming xfree86 version you get a lot of gnome components without even knowing it. code like, gnome-xml [xmlsoft.org] , pkgconfig [freedesktop.org] , fontconfig [fontconfig.org] , xcursor and xft2 were mainly written by people who're heavily involved into gnome development. also the gimp is maturing more and more into getting the look and feel of a native gnome application. the cvs version of the gimp has a lot of gnome pixmaps inside and they are heavily working on integrate the gimp into gnome. if not today but the direction is sure and i fear the day this gonna happen.

it's ok that these things exist and it's ok to see xfree86 and the gimp are beeing hacked on. but please think about the people that don't like or use gnome. what about them ? why force them to have gnome components installed on their systems ? why can't gnome go the same way that kde went e.g. doing their own stuff without infecting other projects like aids. seeing more and more libraries and applications that were in no way related to gnome jumping on the pkgconfig boat which's really not needed. look what will happen to solaris, the world famous operating system on u*nix used by big companies and long years experts. they really plan to replace cde with gnome. i know that cde wasn't the best invention of desktops but it rarely crashed and it fits far better into the philosophy of xfree86 with their configuration system than gnome. you know the good old way having your settings defined with .xdefaults and all nice default configurations are going into /etc/x11/app-defaults/ and so on. understandable that the good old way may be blocking the future of applications for multiusersystems - but why must it have to be a windows registry like system that replaces future configuration ?

well to come to an end i personally don't like many of this stuff. i can't stand the button reordering, i don't like the gconf system and even more i don't like the commercial outsourcing of gnome and the bad influence that gnome has on other applications. the bad attitude of some gnome developers is another story since we are all different reacting humans. luckily there are people sharing some of my thoughts otherwise i wouldn't be able to proof my text with so many links. even amongst the gnome developers there are silent voices of people that hate many of these decisions and silently use something else. right now if you checkout the gnome cvs repository every day you find out that the whole gnome development seemed to came to an halt. the contributions to their cvs are poor. while projects such as kde are reaching easily 10-20k commits per month - gnome is getting around 1-2k per month on it's best times. it really looks like the situation of gnome is unclear so it would be better to have it not influence so much other programs or at the end we deal with an disaster.

now i hope this text was informative for you. i hope that you start to think about the situation and the global direction. the situation of gnome is unclear, their target is groggy too since i can't belive that the users that they are targeting ever heard of u*nix or linux. they plan to get out of the 0.05% desktop niche but this will for sure not happen if they continue their current direction and their bad ugly

"Where we're going, we don't need roads..." (1)

XtAt (31970) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234270)

Haha.. GREAT codename.
"Where we're going, we don't need roads..."

That is such a poke at Gate's book: "The Road Ahead"

Re:"Where we're going, we don't need roads..." (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234334)

And here I thought it was a reference to the last line of the first Back to the Future movie.

Re:"Where we're going, we don't need roads..." (1)

luge (4808) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234396)

It is a BTF reference; that's been a constant thread throughout the 2.1/2.2 release process. It's a great signoff for this fun release process.

Re:"Where we're going, we don't need roads..." (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234468)

I know, I was just making a poor attempt at sarcasm ;)

Re:"Where we're going, we don't need roads..." (1)

The Faywood Assassin (542375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234443)

Yes, wasn't the last Release Candidate codenamed "OUTATIME"? This was the liscense plate of the time machine.

Beny

Re:"Where we're going, we don't need roads..." (1)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234349)

Not to mention a clever tip of the hat to Back to the Future.

GNOME Armageddon (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234271)

Dear reader the GNOME armageddon has started,

First of all I want to clarify that this text was meant to be a source of information otherwise i wouldn't have spent so much time into writing it.
Belive me it took me a couple of days writing this text in a foreign language.
Even if you don't care at all for GNOME, you may find some interesting information within this text that you like to read. please try to understand my points even if it's hard sometimes, otherwise you wake up one day and feel the need to switch to a different operating system.

On the following lines i'm trying to give you a little insight of the GNOME [gnome.org] community. the things that are going on in the back, the information that could be worth talking and thinking about.

Many of us like the GNOME desktop and some of us were following it since the beginning. GNOME is a promising project because it's mostly written in C, easy to use, configurable and therefore fits perfectly into the philosophy of *NIX, only to name some of its advantages.

Unfortunately these advantages changed with the recently new released version of GNOME. The core development team somehow got the idea of targeting GNOME to a complete different direction of users, the so called corporate desktop user.
In other words they're targeting people that aren't familiar or experienced with desktop environments. usually business oriented people who are willing to pay money for getting GNOME on their computers.

Having this new target in mind, the core development team mostly under contract by companies like RedHat [redhat.com] ,Ximian [ximian.com] and Sun [sun.com] decided to simplify the desktop as much as even possible by removing all its flexibility in favor of an easy clean simple interface to not confuse their new possible customers. So far the idea of a clean easy to use desktop is honourable.

Some of the new ideas, features and implementations such asgconf [gnome.org] , an evil Windows Registry-like system, new ordering of buttons and dialogs, the removal of 90%-95% of all visible preferences from the control center and applications, the new direction that GNOME leads and the attitude of the core development team made a lot of users really unhappy. These are only a couple of examples and the list can easily be expanded but for now this is enough. Now let me try to get deeper into these aspects.

You may imagine that users got really frustrated [osnews.com] because their beloved GNOME desktop matured into something they didn't want. During the time, the frustration of a not less amount of people increased. more [gnome.org] , more [gnome.org] and more [gnome.org] emails arrived on the GNOME mailinglists where users tried to explain their concerns, frustrations and the leading target of GNOME.

But the core development team of GNOME don't give a damn about what their users are thinking or wanting and most of the time they come up with their standard purl. The reply they give is mostly the same -- users should either go and 'file a bug' at BugZilla [gnome.org] or the user mails are being turned so far that at the end they sound like being trolls or the user feedback is simply not wanted. whatever happens the answers aren't really satisfying for the user. even constructive feedback [gnome.org] isn't appreciated.

If you gonna think about this for a minute then things gonna harden that they are directing into the commercial area. The core development team actually don't care for the complaining home user -- it's more important for them to reach the customers with the cash. It seems that this has been told to them by the company leaders -- everything about GNOME has been decided already, a way back or direct communication isn't possible. Don't get trapped by sentences like 'we listen to our users'. They listen to you -- yes, to make funny silly jokes about you afterwards.

I thought that everything was build up on friendship, build on programming for fun, build on understanding each other. But the reality looks like it's all for the big money. The cash is what matters everything else is a lie and a dream. Time for people to wake up.

Not long ago they threw one of the most important long year core developer Martin Baulig [gnome.org] out of team -- a guy who worked really hard on getting GNOME into the right direction, a nice friendly person who put all his time into GNOME.

But narrow minded GNOME elites such as Havoc Pennington [pair.com] were responsible that he left the GNOME project -- the trouble and the pressure that was put on him was to much.

With the new GNOME desktop a lot of user interface changes happened such as button reordering [gnome.org] -- needless to say that this confuse people who are used to the 'right' button ordering for ages. Even our fellow Linux guru Alan [gnome.org]
Cox wasn't thrilled about this idea, but the GNOME elites such as Havoc Pennington, Seth Nickell, Calum Benson and Dave Bordoley knew it better. Why following the road of any other desktop that exists ? Why not doing something that don't confuse their users and still stay usable ? Well it seems to be too easy. GNOME needs to be different than anything else so they changed the button order which was one of the reasons that users became unhappy. They said that there was a hard fight about this and the decision was made to change the buttons. But I belive they simply copied the behaviour of Mac OS because most of the GNOME developers use a McIntosh as either laptop or desktop. Sad that they forgot to keep in mind that users tend to mix applications and that this will lead into weird button searching and clicking.

But as if this wasn't enough the same people decided that the new GNOME Human Interface [gnome.org]
Guides were the ultima non plus ultra in human interface guides. The announcement contained informations that the KDE usability people got initiated into it. Unfortunately the KDE people heard about it the first [kde.org]
time when Seth Nickell went to the KDE mailing list which happened after the announcement. You can imagine that they got highly pissed off about this attitude. You can read more on this link [kde.org] . To summarize it, the KDE people clarified that GNOME should care for their own business.

The problem that came with the new interface guides was, that every little GNOME hacker started to become an user interface expert over night. A lot of GNOME programs that we like to use matured into a disaster over night. Hackers that never programmed correctly for their life started to blindly follow the hype of simplification. For an example look what happened to Galeon's interface [sourceforge.net] (pay attention for the last paragraph). Even Philip Langdale a long year galeon hacker got highly indignant by the target that GNOME leads and wrote this email [sourceforge.net] to the Galeon mailinglist.

Here another reason why users became angry. The elite assumes, that the user knows nothing about their system. you find a couple of heavily insulting mails on their mailing lists containing sentences like the quoted ones.
  • "the user don't know what a window manager is",
  • "the user don't know what themes are",
  • "the user don't know what a homedir is",
  • "the user can't compile a kernel",
  • "the user don't want to customize their desktop",
  • "the user shouldn't see preferences which purpose they don't know"

You may imagine that a lot of people are being offended by such lines because it's exactly these GNOME users who are meant by these phrases. To read more such lines on the GNOME mailinglists, simply click on this link [gnome.org] and grep in their archives. Be said that most of these sentences are coming from Havoc Pennington.

Such evil practices shouldn't be tolerated by the users and need to be fighted. *NIX users aren't stupid people. Who actually gave Havoc Pennington the rights to decide what the user wants and what not ? Various users [gnome.org] told him that people who use a *NIX like system are well aware of their capabilities dealing with such a complex system. There's a reason why people are switching from alternative operating systems. They want to learn, they want to use the full power of the system, they want to change everything they like.

To top all this, look at the future plans of Nautilus [eazel.com] . The current maintainers got the idea of changing the whole Nautilus concepts into an object oriented user interface design. You may be highly interested in reading the exact words of Alex Larsson's vision for Nautilus' future direction by clicking on this link [gnome.org] .

To summarize it, it's assumed that the user don't need to deal with his homedir or his whole filesystem because it may confuse him or because he don't understand it. The new concepts of Nautilus should be that the user deal with symbols in the Nautilus view. E.G. you get a cdrom symbol and by clicking on it you see the directory of your cdrom, you get a photo symbol and by clicking on it you get a list of all your pr0n pictures, you get a music symbol and by clicking on it you get a list of all your mp3's. You don't know where all these files are located because you don't deal with the bottom layer of your homedir or filesystem anymore as mentioned earlier.

The question is why are people that know nothing about their users, that know nothing about correct user interface design destroying GNOME ? The users don't deserve all this specially those that backed GNOME for all the years. Even sun threw a bunch of so called user interface experts together and have them work on GNOME. don't forget that sun are the creators of the Common Desktop Environment [opengroup.org] . We don't need another CDE clone named GNOME. Even Havoc Pennington author of the good user interfaces [pair.com] text isn't able to get his own written software following his rules.

Not long ago there was an report about the 'two captains of Nautilus' where the reporter (Uraeus a GNOME contributor himself) reported Alexander Larsson and David camp. You may imagine that such a report can't be taken serious because it's done by their own people. We here have a saying that sounds like this 'one crow doesn't hack the eye of another crow out'. Now you can click on this [gnomedesktop.org]
link and read more. It may be interesting to read the replies from various users all over the globe of what they think about GNOME and Nautilus in general (please pay attention to the listed ip's there). Another nice and informative reading can be found by clicking on this link [gnomedesktop.org] .

The fileselector problem was a long discussed issue in the GNOME community. Finally they came to an solution for this and have decided to go for this ugly fileselector [coreyo.net] instead going for this one [wanadoo.nl] which was developed by a free volunteer for a long time and in general looks and behaves better.

most users have no problems with the idea of keeping things simple and clean. Removing some not needed preferences was indeed a good idea but it doesn't stop. People started to remove everything from their apps. You're forced to use dubious programs like GConf-editor which basically works like the Windows Registry editor, to tweak uncommented preferences. I don't think that this is an advantage. Even the possibility to tweak preferences with an editor was taken away with that ugly implementation of GConf. All your preferences are stored in a directory tree with an unknown amount of *.xml files. Even if you delete programs their keys are still remaining orphaned in these trees and finding them is like playing trivia. At the end it's worth a discussion if a system driven by a single home user needs such a registry like system. We didn't need such a system for over 30 years but the GNOME development team got the idea copying one of the most retarded systems from Windows to *NIX. Not to mention that the copy is more retarded than the original.

It's a shame to see how such a nice desktop got thrown into the trash by such people. But there is a lot more behind the scenes that i don't know about. Everything around GNOME is a big marketing strategy. Poor people are working the hell out of GNOME for nothing and companies such as those mentioned above are getting the big cash. for sure you could say - go and fork GNOME - but seriously how can you go and fork GNOME ? such a big project which needs a bunch of people to keep the code alive and compatible. Well you know it's all about open source the code is signed under the GNU/GPL or GNU/LGPL, you can't own it. Even the companies are aware of this. But if you can't own the code - go and hire their developers. You can direct them like puppets in any direction that you - as company - like. Exactly this is happening with GNOME.

well you could easily come up and tell me to simply not use GNOME and let them do whatever they like. Well, you are right with that but things are more complicated nowadays. GNOME is influencing a lot of third party projects such as XFree86 which recently added a lot of GNOME components into their CVS repository. Please know that with the next coming XFree86 version you get a lot of GNOME components without even knowing it. code like, GNOME-XML [xmlsoft.org] , pkgconfig [freedesktop.org] , fontconfig [fontconfig.org] , xcursor and xft2 were mainly written by people who're heavily involved into GNOME development. Also the GIMP is maturing more and more into getting the look and feel of a native GNOME application. The CVS version of the GIMP has a lot of GNOME pixmaps inside and they are heavily working on integrate the GIMP into GNOME. If not today but the direction is sure and i fear the day this gonna happen.

It's ok that these things exist and it's ok to see XFree86 and the GIMP are beeing hacked on. But please think about the people that don't like or use GNOME. What about them ? Why force them to have GNOME components installed on their systems ? Why can't GNOME go the same way that KDE went e.g. doing their own stuff without infecting other projects like AIDS. Seeing more and more libraries and applications that were in no way related to GNOME jumping on the pkgconfig boat which's really not needed. Look what will happen to Solaris, the world famous operating system on *NIX used by big companies and long years
experts. They really plan to replace cde with GNOME. I know that cde wasn't the best invention of desktops but it rarely crashed and it fits far better into the philosophy of XFree86 with their configuration system than GNOME. You know the good old way having your settings defined with .xdefaults and all nice default configurations are going into /etc/x11/app-defaults/ and so on. Understandable that the good old way may be blocking the future of applications for multiusersystems - but why must it have to be a Windows Registry like system that replaces future configuration ?

Well to come to an end I personally don't like many of this stuff. I can't stand the button reordering, I don't like the GConf system and even more I don't like the commercial outsourcing of GNOME and the bad influence that GNOME has on other applications. The bad attitude of some GNOME developers is another story since we are all different reacting humans. Luckily there are people sharing some of my thoughts otherwise I wouldn't be able to proof my text with so many links. Even amongst the GNOME developers there are silent voices of people that hate many of these decisions and silently use something else.
Right now if you checkout the GNOME CVS repository every day you find out that the whole GNOME development seemed to came to an halt. The contributions to their CVS are poor. While projects such as KDE are reaching easily 10-20K commits per month - GNOME is getting around 1-2K per month on it's best times.

It really looks like the situation of GNOME is unclear so it would be better to have it not influence so much other programs or at the end we deal with an disaster.

Now I hope this text was informative for you. I hope that you start to think about the situation and the global direction. The situation of GNOME is unclear, their target is groggy too since I can't belive that the users that they are targeting ever heard of *NIX or Linux. They plan to get out of the 0.05% desktop niche but this will for sure not happen if they continue their current direction and their bad ugly attitude.

Also GnuCash 1.8.0... (0, Offtopic)

Damek (515688) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234274)

GnuCash [gnucash.org] 1.8.0 was released February 3; haven't seen much mention of it anywhere, but since "a good finance program" is one of the things so many people say Linux is missing, I thought it would be worth mentioning. The new GnuCash features scheduled transactions, popular OFX and HBCI formats (think downloading from your bank), and other woundrous new stuff and fixes...

Re:Also GnuCash 1.8.0... (1)

slide-rule (153968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234552)

I know what would be handy for me w.r.t. gnucash is a "MS Money User's Transition Guide" or some such. I've tried 1.4, 1.6, and the beta for 1.8, but I just cannot make a dent in doing much with gnucash. I invariably get frustrated and delete the whole thing. (Maybe I'm spoiled somewhat; I popped in MS Money on the windows box and was running multiple accounts, multiple banks, loans, credit cards -- the whole shebang -- in half an hour.) Can someone post anything notable that'd help user's of other finance programs to switch over?

Re:Also GnuCash 1.8.0... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234592)

Ok how abour a release of GnuCASH that someone other than the developers can compile? Oh wait let's download 90,000,000 libs.

Until they release a STATICALLY LINKED binary I shy away everyone from it... It's too damned hard to get compiled by a seasoned Linux vetran let alone the 15 Linux newbies in my LUG.

GnuCASH is early alpha software and will be reccomended by myself to everyone to be avoided until it is stable enough to compile on a standard distribution. Too many linux apps that have HUGE potential are crippled because of this. You want to use bleeding edge libs? Great! offer a static binary to download. It's not that hard.... Open office and mozilla do it.

File Dialog (2, Insightful)

twener (603089) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234296)

> And a month ahead of the originally planned six-month release cycle.

They should have taken this month to implement a better file dialog.

Re:File Dialog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234346)

GTK+ 2.4 will have a new file dialog (it's literally at the top of their "possible features" list with a note next to it: "we have to get this one").

See the list here: http://gtk.org/plan/2.4/

Re:File Dialog (1)

twener (603089) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234519)

I still remember too good "Gnome/Gtk 2.2 will have a new file dialog". No, thanks.

Re:File Dialog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234433)

Or use something else, Windows got it right from 95 onwords, kde from 2.0. The kde 3.1 file dialog is very good, and not some hackjob like the gnome one, which STILL sucks, and don't tell me 2.4 will have it, because you suck and thats all there all is too it

pre modded -1, flamebait and troll for your convienece.

Re:File Dialog (0)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234501)

About the only insightfull comment on this thread.

Honest comparison between Gnome and KDE? (2, Insightful)

Blimey85 (609949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234299)

All of the discussions I have seen about the differences between Gnome and KDE end up being flame wars. Is there anything I can read that gives a non-biased look at the differences and similarities between the two?

I have only tried Gnome once and that was only because KDE wasn't working at the time. I've used KDE since I started using Linux (and FreeBSD) and it has always worked pretty well for me. I've noticed however that Gnome seems to have a pretty good following and I'm wondering why.

Re:Honest comparison between Gnome and KDE? (2)

Snorp (63417) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234362)

You can listen to all the opinions you want, but the only thing that matters is whether YOU like it or not. So just give both desktops a shot, and use the one you like.

Re:Honest comparison between Gnome and KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234437)

Gnome is the GNU desktop whereas trolltech is a commercial company. Politics don't enter into it for me it's personal preference, I don't like kde hence I use gnome; it doesn't really matter. If you use Vi or Emacs - that's what matters ;)

Re:Honest comparison between Gnome and KDE? (2, Insightful)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234503)

I asked this the other day. The main difference is that KDE's file manager is average, and gnome's is below average. (so people seem to agree)

gnome seems to be more portable.

I've not used KDE in ~3 years, and I've just started using gnome2 so I cannot say myself.

screenshots (3, Informative)

jfeasel (310506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234315)

here [duke.edu]

Re:screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234464)

http://vhost.dulug.duke.edu/~louie/screenshots/2.2 /24.jpg [duke.edu] looks JUST like gnome 2.0 on sun... (minus the debian/kde menu items :)

-Ralph Bonnell

RPMs? For RedHat/etc? Ximian Release? (1)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234321)

I'm not trolling here... I am dead serious when I say I am not ~crazy~ enough to try and compile this.

I do not care what anyone says, every time I have assembled the dependency libs and tried to compile this beast, it has been disastrous sixty ways to Sunday.

Even a successful compile takes ~hours~ (see the Garnome stats).

I'll wait until the RPMs come out...

GNOME 2.2 is teh SUCK! (1)

faceofsun (647635) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234338)

That Face of GNOME boy is a total ride ;)

install instructions (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234343)

  • Download konstruct [kde.org]
  • su to root
  • tar xjvf konstruct tar.bz2
  • edit gar.conf.mk and set the prefix to /opt/kde3
  • cd meta/kde && make install
  • Wait about an hour for it to compile
  • export varibles and place in your bash profile
  • be happy

Oh no! You realise what this means....? (1)

Spudley (171066) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234357)

Good grief. Software being released a month ahead of schedule!? This mustn't be allowed to happen! If my manager hears of this, he'll start thinking we should try it too.

Timothy Rooted My Box! (1)

Eros (6631) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234358)

What is your problem Timothy? Did you root my box or something and now think it is funny to post links on /. to things I'm 50% thru downloading?

First the Animatrix thing and now this crap.

One of these days I'm going to bump into you at a convention or something, and beat the shi^H^H^H cookies out of you. ;P

Woohoo! More Gnome than you can shake a stick at. (1)

ACK!! (10229) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234363)

Good. I like the improved multimedia, theme support, cd-burning, panel improvements and the such.

My question is what is the one thing that you wanted to see in Gnome 2.2 that did not get in?

What is your Gnome 2.4 wishlist?

BTW, yes everyone wants a better gtk fileselector and browsing of archive files. Lets get all out-of-the-box on this.

Re:Woohoo! More Gnome than you can shake a stick a (2, Informative)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234514)

Well, there are some wishlists:

Here, from Havoc [gnome.org]

Here, from jdub [gnome.org]

There is a list for GTK2.4 on the website, but unfortunately I think GTK2.4 won't be ready in time for GNOME2.4, so 2.4 will still be based on GTK2.2

Weird Slogan (2, Funny)

Gyan (6853) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234368)

Where we're going, we don't need roads ... in circles ?

Sadly, there is a lot missing too. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234385)

No new file selector. We have to wait for gtk 2.4 which is due in September, so gnome 2.4 is going to be a while after that.

No gnome2 native web browser. galeon development has collapsed and the project has been forked (check mozdev for epiphany)

Developer time seems to be ploughed into things like SVG support, whilst basic usability improvements like a new file selector are forever "on the back burner".

UI Review of GNOME 2.2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234407)

Screenshots and Review are here [gnome.org] .

Top 5 reasons to use GNOME 2.2 (0, Redundant)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234421)

5 -- Footprint logos are way cooler than green dragons

4 -- Your KDE installation died

3 -- 2.0 is the same version number as your Linux kernel installation

2 -- If Stallman uses it, it's gotta be good

1 -- You'd rather embrace Evolution than Jesus

# Free tech news and blogging for life -- *nix.org [starnix.org]

GNOME: Where does the funding come from? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5234449)

Friends, those of you who watch the wonderful Fox News Channel know that Bill O'Reilly has been doing an excellent series on the Linux operating system and the GNOME desktop environment. He's been doing some digging and has come up with some preliminary results that he's going to unveil on "The O'Reilly Factor." Well, I got an advance copy of his results from the web site, and so I thought I would share them with you and the rest of the community. It is important that we monitor these people and make sure we know what they're up to.

  • The ACLU (Anti-Christian Litigation Unit) donated $10,000 directly to Miguel. There can be no doubt that this money is a reward for the development of software that is intended to promote communism. The ACLU will not stop until we are all ruled under their iron fist. It makes sense that they would donate money to a cause that has the destruction of capitalism and decent Christian society at the top of its list.

  • The American Atheists also made a sizable donation to the FSF, with the express condition that the money go to the GNOME project. The check was signed by Madalyn Murray O'Hair herself .. before she was killed by some noble soul .. so this means that the atheists, as an organization, must have been prepared for this! They must have known years ago that somebody would invent some sort of technology that would work to attack capitalism at its roots, and they wanted to have the check signed in advance. If there was ever any doubt that atheists are pathetic socialists, that doubt can be dispelled.

  • The Sierra Club donated $25K to the FSF as well, and while they did not specify that any of that money was to go to GNOME specifically, you can bet that the free software commies and environazis made some sort of slick deal behind the scene. Environmentalism translates directly to communism, and it should come as no surprise that these tree-hugging hippies are in bed with the GNOME socialists. What will their slogan be next year? "Plant a tree, erase a Windows partition, destroy capitalism?" Friends, that's probably not too much off the mark.

  • Troop 317 of the Girl Scouts of America donated 50% of the proceeds from their cookie sales to the FSF. Friends, while it is heartwarming to see young women being prepared for the role of cookie-preparer (as is demanded by Scripture), it is sickening to see girls band together in a cheap imitation of the Boy Scouts. This smacks of feminism, and is probably the work of the damnable National Organization for Women. Patricia Ireland and the rest of NOW are most likely behind this socialist donation.
So there's the money trail, friends. We will have to watch this closely. But to any and all GNOME-friendly people reading this post, know this: We are on to you. Do you understand me? We're on to you. You'll have to be a little more careful in the future, my socialist compadres. We're one step ahead of you all.

Thank you for your time.

This is great!!!! (-1, Flamebait)

DJ FirBee (611681) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234460)

Now I can have the best windowing system ever put on a unix system! Then I can benefit by running all of the awesome multimedia applications available on Linux! This rocks !!! I bet that this is at least half as good as OSX on a mac and maybe 1/4 as functional!! I'm starting my download now, and soon my awsome titanium powerbook will be running with the true power and functionality that Linux + GNOME provides !!!! Happy Day.

dammit (1)

unformed (225214) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234463)

the one really cool feature from gnome 1.0 which was removed is still not here:

detachable menus, absolutely loved that in Galeon I could pull off a menu of bookmarks, when I was trying to hunt through a lot of them. Anyone know why it was removed, and/or when/if it's going to come back?

Screenshots (0, Redundant)

elliotj (519297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234510)

Screenshots here [duke.edu]

Enlightenment vs. Metacity? (2, Interesting)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234541)

Does anybody know what's going on between Gnome and Enlightenment? It seems like Gnome is developing it's own window-manager-which-pretends-its-not-a-window-man ager (Metacity); meanwhile, Enlightenment is developing it's own desktop shell... kind of like two ships passing each other in the dark...

I'm going to hate the day when I'm forced to make a choice between Gnome and Enlightenment 0.17... I'll miss those footprints...

No new file selector until 2.6? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5234549)

The release notes suggest that GNOME won't get a usable file selector dialog for a year; is that really correct?
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