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Carmack Needs Rocket Fuel

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the young-man-what-is-all-this-for dept.

Space 662

Reality Master 101 writes "Saw an interesting post on the Experimental Rocket Propulsion Society BBS from John Carmack, who is working on an X-prize vehicle. Apparently he is having a lot of trouble getting Peroxide from the major suppliers, and is possibly thinking of helping someone set up a company to produce peroxide. With NASA's recent problems, there has been a lot of talk about promoting more private investment in rocketry. But how can it happen when the suppliers won't even sell peroxide to well financed, registered, X-prize teams? Anyone want to start a peroxide business?"

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Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235359)

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Re:3rd post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235486)

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First Post, (It's me, CH!) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235367)

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Re:First Post, (It's me, CH!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235451)

We need "-1, Loser" moderation.

What kind? (3, Insightful)

hether (101201) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235377)

Sorry for the ignorance. What kind of peroxide is necessary for something like this?

Re:What kind? (1)

jdh-22 (636684) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235449)

Hydrogen Peroxide? The stuff that cleans your wounds?!

Re:What kind? (2, Informative)

PD (9577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235549)

Yes, except at 95-100% concentration. The stuff that cleans your wounds is 3%.

Re:What kind? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235475)

Hydrogen peroxide can be used as a mono-propelant (A 70% pure mix run through a catalyst screen to form steam and O2), or a bi-propellant (mixed with a hydrocarbon to form steam and CO2). Check out erps.org for info on H2O2 rocketry.

Thank you for your time,
Frank Russo

Hydrogen Peroxide (H202) (5, Informative)

silentbozo (542534) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235518)

This is the same stuff you can buy at the local drugstore in 3% dilute solution to disinfect wounds, bleach hair, etc. At very high concentration (I think for rockets they use 90+%), they can use a catalyst to initiate a very rapid exothermic decomposition of the H202 to H20 (as steam) and O2. This provides thrust, without need of a 2-part fuel/oxidizer combo.

I know of at least 2 outfits starting out with hydrogen peroxide rockets - Armadillo Aerospace (Carmack's outfit) and the infamous Rocket Guy (the toy inventor turned spaceman.)

Research into hydrogen peroxide rockets was done in during WWII, and actually made it into some experimental applications, I believe...

Re:What kind? (1)

pyrofx (602240) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235528)

90% of higher of Hydrogen Peroxide it what they need plenty of. Just keep it off of anything remotely organic least your find your parts itchin' an' a burnin'. X DARS member.

Re:What kind? (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235531)

At first I was thinking regular hydrogen peroxide, but then I was like "wait...this is the geek place, they wouldn't call it just "peroxide". If it's not x-peroxide, then it's just peroxide which is O2 which just happens to be freely available in the air as a gas. Yeah, I'm a bit confused as well.

Re:What kind? (4, Informative)

space_hippy (625619) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235538)

Almost pure hydrogen peroxide 85 - 95 percent.
The peroxide that people find at the drug store is 3 percent.
The stuff used in rocket engines is extremely caustic, in other words it will burn any organic matter (read skin, muscle, bone, etc.) on contact.
Not to mention the Department of Transportation doens't like it moving over their highways.

Peroxide (1)

jda487 (646991) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235560)

I would assume it is hydrogen peroxide(H2O2) because rocket fuel is made up of liquid hydrogen (H) and liquid oxygen (O). Burning them together is gread, and can produce water.

Re:Peroxide (5, Funny)

jda487 (646991) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235586)

Holy shit. I didn't see all these other posts with way better answers. My bad, sorry.

Re:What kind? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235566)

The peroxide you buy over the counter is only 3% by volume. The rest is water.

For certain liquid fuel rockets you need ~99% pure peroxide. The problem is, its nasty stuff. It'll ignite if anything organic comes into contact with it, and eats thru certain types of metals.

The ME-163 Komet Germany was developing was fuled by Peroxide and something of which I forget. These were the T-stoff and C-stoff you hear about.

Re:What kind? (1)

Laven (102436) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235568)

High concentration of oxygen I think, in a form safer than traditional rocket fuel.

Re:What kind? (5, Informative)

bughunter (10093) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235576)

Probably Hydrogen Peroxide, H2O2.

When I worked for American Rocket Company in 1988-89, we used 80% Hydrogen Peroxide as fuel for our thrust vector control system. Sixteen injectors at the throat of the main engine nozzle under computer control squirted H2O2 into the plume and it deflected the plume, and therefore the thrust, by enough to steer a rocket.

This was really nasty stuff. IIRC, the only place we could get it was Germany, and we had to jump through all kinds of transportation safety hoops just to get it over here. 80% is a very high concentration, I don't know if Carmack needs this much or not. Peroxide you get at the drug store is 3% H2O2 and 97% H2O.

One of the test valves came back from our engine test site at Edwards and we rinsed it thoroughly with water. Still, when I handled it, traces of the peroxide burned my skin. Very nasty, very painful.

We also worked with other cool stuff like LOX (oxidizer), Silane (for ignition), and my favorite gas, Nitrous Oxide (another oxidizer, self-pressurizing and fun at parties!). I still have a hunk of polybutadiene rocket fuel on my desk as a souvenier; we used to cast that stuff into all kinds of fun shapes, including some you wouldn't be able to show your mother.

Re:What kind? (4, Funny)

brer_rabbit (195413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235581)

Sorry for the ignorance. What kind of peroxide is necessary for something like this?

Considering it's a bunch of pimple-faced geeks, benzoyl peroxide.

Re:What kind? (1)

iamnarada (610490) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235622)

Hydrogen Peroxide, around 85% concentration. Note that this is not the 3% h2o2 available from the drug store. Usually it has to be bought in bulk and has an added expense in that is must be shipped as a hazardous material as it is a very potent oxidizer. Check out h2o2.org for info.

Re:What kind? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235641)

highly concentrated.

NASA (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235379)

I wonder, with their recent problems, they might be happy to give it all away

hair salons (4, Funny)

Mordac (1009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235384)

I'm guessing getting all the hair salons to chip in a gallon or two won't help here will it. Worth a shot I guess.

Re:hair salons (1)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235474)

I considered that also, but then I realized that those hair products often cause streaking, which I'm sure Carmack doesn't want.

--gal [slashdot.org]

Easy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235389)

1. Collect millions of almost discarded bottles of benzoyl peroxide from Quake geeks^H^H^H^Hamers.
2. ???
3. Profit!!!

Lable under terrorist (4, Insightful)

banzai51 (140396) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235396)

I wonder how much that has to do with the material possibly being labled as bomb making material. I could be way off base. Anyone in the industry want to enlighten us?

Re:Lable under terrorist (4, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235485)

I wonder how much that has to do with the material possibly being labled as bomb making material. I could be way off base. Anyone in the industry want to enlighten us?

This is exactly the problem. H2O2 can be violently reactive and in fact can even be hypergolic if mixed with certain compounds causing inadvertent accidents. The Nazi's found this out with their Me163's which actually had more losses due to refueling than combat losses.

There are easier and safer ways to make bombs than with H202, but if someone wanted for instance to make a bomb using this stuff it could be done and be quite destructive.

Re:Lable under terrorist (1)

faeryman (191366) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235502)

I worked at a chemical plant a few years back. Products of autooxidation (peroxide) can be dangerous during evaporation/distillation. Frozen peroxide can be nasty stuff though. I am not a rocket scientist, so I do not know how the peroxide (used as fuel?) would be stored.

As far as bombs..well, sodium peroxide can be used in a bomb, and I've seen feramongeing of a "cyanide-peroxide" bomb. Acetone peroxide can be used in bombs though, as some suicide bombers use. So yes, it would be possible. Sigh..

Re:Lable under terrorist (1)

Eese (647951) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235510)

I guess certain materials that can possibly be used to build explosives must be made examples of. Publicize that "we need to stop using peroxide or the terrorists have already won!", and people will forget about fertilizer, gunpowder, guns, and whatever dirty nuke or brick of C4 smuggled into the country by a_terrorist_group_01.

Re:Lable under terrorist (1)

Eese (647951) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235554)

Also, we need the FBI to monitor all Internet communications so that every 11 year old who downloads a copy of "the Anarchist's Cookbook" can be apprehended and put in prison. If Kevin Mitnick can be labelled a terrorist, then so can you.

Justified (1)

Radio Shack Robot (640478) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235410)

Perhaps there are justified reasons not to let the general public have "peroxide". (H2O2?)

Justified use, you mean. (1)

torpor (458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235460)

This isn't just some 'general public'. It's someone who has made a -very public- investment into a legitimate use of such materials, and who stands to be governed by more than sufficient safety precautions in these circumstances.

What this is, is a market opportunity. H2O2 rocketry is *worth* the investment.

Don't Help Him, Carmack is a Menace to Society (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235414)

Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined gaming on PC's.

Now stop for a moment and think, What would have happened if Albert Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he simply sits around coding violent computer games.

Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is yes.

Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine? Doom. It's always the same story: Troubled youth plays doom or quake, he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?

Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people. I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank. Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society. Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.

It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence to wreak havoc on society.

money (1)

morgajel (568462) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235415)

Well, John's got money, perhaps he should talk to their board members and CEO. As much as I hate to say it, sometimes you gotta bribe to get stuff done.

Offer to make a donation, or figure out how to become a registered peroxide buyer(?)

Then again, there might always be other forces working against him. but I'm too tired to go into conspiracy theories:)

It's perfectly understandable (5, Funny)

eyegone (644831) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235418)

He's obviously part of a terrorist plot to turn us all blond!

John Pick me Pick me! (2, Funny)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235419)

I can do the job! Just watch!

Me: Scientist bob, we need 40 barrels of the stuff by June so Carmack can launch!
Scientist bob: Uhh sir our plants total capacity is only 1 barrell a month!
Me: You fscking Idiot I didn't ask you what our capacity was! I gave you an order!

See you can tell, i'm leaps and bounds better than any other slashdotter here! Pick me Pick me John! Look i'll even put caps on your name!

I could be wrong..... (1)

Cheeziologist (596855) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235425)

but peroxide only refers to a cat-ion of oxygen with an oxidation of -1 instead of the normal -2. If you just produced peroxide it would be very unstable as it would try to combine with an an-ion immediately. Is Carmack perhaps looking for a specific peroxide compound (i.e hydrogen peroxide or nitrogen peroxide) or just any compound that has oxygen with -1 oxidation numbers?

it's a bird! it's a plane! it's... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235428)

/.!
Date: Tue Feb 4 22:02:01 2003
List-archive: http://lists.erps.org/archives/erps-list/

We are starting to get the distinct impression that FMC is fucking with us on the peroxide supply situation. We keep doing the things they say (spending thousands of dollars), and they keep coming up with some other reason we still can't buy peroxide (or just not return calls for weeks). They have strung us along for a long time now, and convinced us to stop talking to Degussa, but we still don't have peroxide.

There was some talk about this a while ago, but I was a lot more hopeful about FMC, so I didn't pursue it -- maybe it is time to set up a new company on the scale of X-L Space Systems.

I don't want to be in the chemical processing business, but I would probably be willing to be an anchor customer. I want to buy $100,000 worth of peroxide this year.

One of Michael Carden's customers has one of his concentrators, and is willing to do some peroxide production for us, but I would really prefer to work with a company, even a small one, that is devoted to peroxide, and really cares about all the details, not just someone that can feed a machine.

Would any ERPS people be interested in actually running a business to do this? I would be happiest working with a proven production system (one of Michael's), but I could entertain notions of paying for more development work on the ERPS concentrators.

This is sort of a trial balloon here -- if FMC turns around and ships us peroxide, that is still my preferred solution.

John Carmack

Bill McNeal Has Got Your Rocket Fuel! (0)

Acidic_Diarrhea (641390) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235430)

"Gazizza, Dilznoofus, this is Bill McNeal saying, get with the crazappy taste of Rocket Fuel Malt Liquor! Rocket Fuel's got the upstate prison flavor that keeps you ugly all night long. So when you want to get sick, remember, nothing makes your feet stank like Rocket Fuel Malt Liquor. Damn, it's crazappy!" -Phil Hartman as Bill McNeal on the classic television show Newsradio.

Uh, yeah so John Carmack should check out his local 7-11. Well, not his local 7-11 but he should instead drive into the ghetto and check out the 7-11 there. They'll have what he needs. He should tell him that Little Mookie sent him.

Distributed refining/processing? (1)

Eese (647951) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235436)

1) With the tragic destruction of the Columbia the other day, I fear that NASA will be even further from the America's popular eye, and so if technological development slows down on NASA's end, the X-Prize will become even more crucial to keep flight progess moving in a forward direction.

2) The idea of distributed computing and processing has been around for a while now, but has anyone ever thought about taking that idea and applying it to physical goods? The possibilities are endless, especially if we ever see "food replicator"-like machines, or even computer-driven tools in the home.

No, I would not. It's too dangerous. (2, Informative)

purduephotog (218304) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235442)

Frankly it is. In fact, if you read up on what killed the Kursk, they say it was indeed an innocuous little substance that looks like water- Peroxide. The stuff reacts with practically every metal to form Oxygen (great for burning fuel). If it can form a high enough pressure to rupture sealed torpedo housings and create a fire hot enough to detonate every single torpedo on a submarine, it can do a bit of damage while being transported.

And no, I'm not being melodramatic. To be useful it needs to be 100%... but you typically won't find it available over 35%. It's a great oxidizer- add a little to your next charcoal fire and enjoy the fumes! (ok, you'd need a catalyst like Manganese Dioxide to do it, but still...).

Manufacture it onsite and hope you don't have an accident with your 100 gallon teflon vessels.... and please do it somewhere away from where I live.

Re:No, I would not. It's too dangerous. (1)

RollingThunder (88952) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235493)

I think you're being a bit overly dramatic about this.

Yes, it's a hazardous material.

Industry works with hazardous materials day in and day out.

From reading the thread, one of the annoyances John is working within is that they only sell by the RAIL CAR. Sounds to me like this stuff gets used in volume, regularly, and is shipped normally.

Also, when you say "you won't find it available over 35%" - do you mean for consumer purchase, or for industrial purchase? You can get nasty, extremely powerful chemicals at very strong concentrations - so long as you buy in industrial size bulk lots.

Re:No, I would not. It's too dangerous. (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235579)

"The stuff reacts with practically every metal to form Oxygen (great for burning fuel)." So would that mean that you'd have to have this stuff only come into contact with say...plastic tubing instead of metal pipe? How durable would something like this be?

Vanity science (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235447)

How blonde does a guy need to be, anyway?

Slashdotted, here is his post (3, Informative)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235456)

We are starting to get the distinct impression that FMC is fucking with us on the peroxide supply situation. We keep doing the things they say (spending thousands of dollars), and they keep coming up with some other reason we still can't buy peroxide (or just not return calls for weeks). They have strung us along for a long time now, and convinced us to stop talking to Degussa, but we still don't have peroxide.

There was some talk about this a while ago, but I was a lot more hopeful about FMC, so I didn't pursue it -- maybe it is time to set up a new company on the scale of X-L Space Systems.

I don't want to be in the chemical processing business, but I would probably be willing to be an anchor customer. I want to buy $100,000 worth of peroxide this year.

One of Michael Carden's customers has one of his concentrators, and is willing to do some peroxide production for us, but I would really prefer to work with a company, even a small one, that is devoted to peroxide, and really cares about all the details, not just someone that can feed a machine.

Would any ERPS people be interested in actually running a business to do this? I would be happiest working with a proven production system (one of Michael's), but I could entertain notions of paying for more development work on the ERPS concentrators.

This is sort of a trial balloon here -- if FMC turns around and ships us peroxide, that is still my preferred solution.

John Carmack

Give Boeing a Call (1)

Dolemite_the_Wiz (618862) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235457)

They're dying to invest and create industries that aren't commercial avaitation related.

They would love to have other sources of cash to fall back on in case their commercial airplane division bottoms out again (which is about every 10-15 years).

Dolemite

+18 Informative (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235459)

http://www.easy2source.com/product-directory/Chemi cals-Pharmaceuticals/6753.htm

Re:+18 Informative (1)

PD (9577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235631)

The best stuff they make is their "Technical Grade" which is only 50%. Not good enough.

Noticed in message (0, Offtopic)

DenOfEarth (162699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235470)

I'm too lazy to read more information (hehe, I leave that to other /.er's), but he mentioned that this was only a trial balloon. So what's the deal, lift a balloon up really high and then launch something off of it, or simply use the balloon to float most of the way and then propel itself with something else out of the atmosphere. Seems like an interesting idea, but the difference in altitudes between what a balloon in air can go and the orbiting radius are pretty huge...

Anyways, I'd send a bottle if I had one.

Sure... (0, Offtopic)

Xacid (560407) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235471)

...as long as it doesn't turn out to be anything like my dot com business.

Talk to these guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235500)

http://www.iac.org.uk/pages/resproj2.html

Seems like he could setup his own small scale facility

Arabs have ruined it for the rest of us (-1, Offtopic)

gonadware (630179) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235511)

Bunch of lying pigfucking bastards.

Bomb their asses into oblivion.

Well actully.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235527)

http://hackingthemainframe.com 0wnz j00!

Re:Well actully.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235623)

Nice try, MiG. I (Eese) posted an on-topic comment already. Need to hone those reflexes, if you will ever catch a mosquito with chopsticks.

the carmack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235529)

The carmack is blonde?! I thought he's a red head!!!

Hrm. (1)

Daleks (226923) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235533)

Carmack should just tell the companies he has one giant skinned knee. That'll get him all the peroxide he needs.

Quake apologists take note (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235535)

No, you said, it's just a game - exposure to this sort of thing won't inspire people to build rocket launchers in real life.

Just you wait for the railguns and plasma weapons. Then you'll be sorry.

Carmack is fragbait. (5, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235537)

The problem is the current NASA/government-contractor setup would just respond with "Why the fuck should we build a low-cost launch vehicle when we're getting $6B/year for Shuttle/ISS indefinitely?"

Or to be even more cynical, it violates something I consider to be one of Life's Universal Rules, which is this: You should never threaten to cost someone more money than it would cost them to have you killed.

For instance, suppose there's a market need for 20 commercial/military/ISS flights per year, and the government's willing to pay $500M per launch. That's $500M x 20 = $10B a year in pork to use the shuttle and our current unmanned vehicle capabilities. Against that, nobody is gonna build cheap launch capability, because it'll soon be a better business strategy to simply eliminate anyone who comes close.

For instance, suppose Armadillo Aerospace develops tech that enables them to launch a satellite for $1M. With reduced costs, there might be a market for 100 launches a year versus 20. NASA space scientists are elated, because they can finally send an army of cheap probes to every planet, comet, and moon that tickles their fancy. And geeks (myself included!) will rejoice because we can finally read about all the cool science while we're vacationing at the Space Hilton.

The big problem with this lovely picture is that as soon as Armadillo announces its $1M-to-orbit vehicle, $BIG_CONTRACTOR realizes that even if they buy Armadillo outright, the $10B/year gravy train (20 comm/spy satellites at $500M each) is gonna come up $9.9B short (20 comm/spysats, plus 80 space probes and Space Hilton modules, at $1M per launch). Someone will realize that you can hire a lot of assassins and saboteurs for $9.9B.

Congressmen, upon realizing that Armadillo's success will soon mean $9.9B less pork to distribute to their districts, will conclude that a major campaign contributor has discovered an "intriguing" solution to both their respective problems.

Both groups will publicly lament the "accident" at Armadillo that resulted in the flash-combustion of all personnel, and bemoan their sysadmins for the fact that all the offsite backup tapes containing design and technical data were unreadable, and use the "accident" to remind the voting and taxpaying public that space still isn't quite ready for private sector involvement.

I wish Carmack and anyone else trying to provide cheap access to space the best of luck, but I fear for anyone who comes close to achieving the dream.

Re:Carmack is fragbait. (1)

torpor (458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235582)

Paranoid rubbish.

For starters, they'd have off-site backups.

And the rest. Well, fuck it. Some people don't eat pork.

Best response to a Slashdotting (4, Funny)

multimed (189254) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235541)

(not counting handling the excessive load w/o getting Slashdotted of course)

Too many users... blah blah blah

Probable cause: http://www.slashdot.org

Try again in a few seconds...

-xian@idsoftware.com

Good Guess.

Hmmmm.... (1)

Dr. Photo (640363) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235542)

Why, oh, why, do I picture this guy standing on the roof of his house, preparing to rocket-jump in real life...

I'd hate to be whoever has to clean up the gibs... :P

I don't understand... (1)

AltImage (626465) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235553)

Is he trying to launch a rocket or or blonde? Does he think he has to look like Lance Bass to get into space?

Slashdotted ... Here is the Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235556)

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We are starting to get the distinct impression that FMC is fucking with us on the peroxide supply situation. We keep doing the things they say (spending thousands of dollars), and they keep coming up with some other reason we still can't buy peroxide (or just not return calls for weeks). They have strung us along for a long time now, and convinced us to stop talking to Degussa, but we still don't have peroxide.

There was some talk about this a while ago, but I was a lot more hopeful about FMC, so I didn't pursue it -- maybe it is time to set up a new company on the scale of X-L Space Systems.

I don't want to be in the chemical processing business, but I would probably be willing to be an anchor customer. I want to buy $100,000 worth of peroxide this year.

One of Michael Carden's customers has one of his concentrators, and is willing to do some peroxide production for us, but I would really prefer to work with a company, even a small one, that is devoted to peroxide, and really cares about all the details, not just someone that can feed a machine.

Would any ERPS people be interested in actually running a business to do this? I would be happiest working with a proven production system (one of Michael's), but I could entertain notions of paying for more development work on the ERPS concentrators.

This is sort of a trial balloon here -- if FMC turns around and ships us peroxide, that is still my preferred solution.

John Carmack

Buy a whole bunch of Mentadent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235562)

One of those dual chambers is peroxide to get your teeth clean!

The plan (2, Funny)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235563)

  1. Build peroxide factory ('cuz Slashdot said so)
  2. Sell it to Carmack
  3. Watch in horror as he gets bored of the whole thing and returns to writing games
  4. ???
  5. Flood the Internet with evil pop-unders advertising HERBAL PEROXIDE FOR BLONDES
  6. Profit!!!

Here's an idea (1)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235564)

Someone put Carmack in touch with Ryan Seacrest, host of American Idol. He seems to have plenty of peroxide to donate.

Probe into Rocket Science (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235567)

If we examine the realities of rocket science, we come across a rather unusual and interesting fact. While some might disagree with me, the shape of a rocket was specifically designed to resemble the human male sexual organ - the penis. Morover, it, no doubt, has a homosexual tilt to it. Therefore we might conclude that rocket science, like linux, *bsd and other silly silly things, is gay.

Re:Probe into Rocket Science (1)

AyeRoxor! (471669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235651)

"If we examine the realities of rocket science, we come across a rather unusual and interesting fact. While some might disagree with me, the shape of a rocket was specifically designed to resemble the human male sexual organ - the penis. Morover, it, no doubt, has a homosexual tilt to it. Therefore we might conclude that rocket science, like linux, *bsd and other silly silly things, is gay."

Unbeknownst to many people, including YOUR ignorant ass, is that the first missiles and rockets WERE shaped like the female human vagina. After many aerodynamic tests, the shape was molded back to the shape we have today, which is actually the remaining clitoris.

Therefore, if you have a problem with the shape of rockets, YOU, my friend, have unconscious issues with females, and ergo, you are the homosexual.

litigation (1)

magarity (164372) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235573)

I bet a big part is litigation. If this craft blows up (this happens on occasion with spacecraft), relatives are too likely to sue any and all suppliers of equipment and materials that went into it. (I'd check the article to see if this is mentioned, but the thing is already /.ed)

HEPTANT POST, BITCHES! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235580)

fuck YOU!!!

The Danger? (1)

StarTux (230379) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235588)

Wouldn't a bunch of journalists needing and wanting fame and fortune trump up a bunch of charges against such an adventure? Whats the safety aspects involved in peroxide manufacture?

StarTux

Plant closing... (2)

Coz (178857) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235590)

Funny - my buddy's dad is being forced to retire from a 30-year career because the peroxide plant he works for in West Virginia is closing. They claimed "oversupply", obsolete equipment and processes, and bad market conditions.

Hunh.

How much? (1)

sean23007 (143364) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235599)

How much peroxide would $100k get you? That's a lot of money, and I'd expect a smaller company that just starts so as to make and sell peroxide would be able to either produce a lot more or a lot less peroxide for the same dollar.

perhaps he should change his technique? (5, Funny)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235604)

"Hi My name is John Carmack and I'd.....yes the same guy that worked on doom and quake.......yeah I'd like to order several thousand gallons of....yes those games are violent, lots of blowing stuff up.....anyhow I'd like to order several thousand gallons of highly explosive and caustic peroxide in order to...Hello? Hello? damn."

Environmental Permitting (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235606)

I don't think it would be very easy to get the proper environmental permitting to build a Peroxide factory, even with Gale Norton as Secretary of the Interior.

they are just afraid (1)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#5235607)

that they will be held accountable for damage that you cause. Remember the first few rockets in
  • October Sky
?

The sorry state of accountability in this country is why McDonalds won't sell hot coffee, ISPs are being harrassed by record companies, and rocket experimenters can't get the needed chemicals.

Please excuse my ignorance, but how hard can it be to make the needed peroxide in the clubhouse?

For those of you interested ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235627)

I found this [purdue.edu] running a search on google. Nothing too exciting, but might answer some questions.

Earth Needs Blondes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235629)

Venus stands by, ready to help: http://www.reelcriticism.com/ziggyrealm/reviews/qu eenofouterspace.html

peroxide is widely available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5235639)

Peroxide is a common industrial chemical, available in many grades & purities from many different manufacturers.

You can buy it in 1 liter bottles, 55 gal drums, or tankcar quantities.

If he can't search the Thomas Register [thomasregister.com] or contact the Chemical Manufacturers Association, maybe he's not smart enough to launch a rocket.

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