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First Red Hat Academy for High School

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the back-to-school dept.

Red Hat Software 338

FrankBama writes "As a follow-up to the story of a few days ago, Red Hat has started a program in my old hometown. The story's at the News & Record. I love this part '...this training normally would cost more than $10,000. But Weaver students can get Red Hat certification free -- and use it get a job paying more than $30,000 a year right out of high school.'"

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DUPE!!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

CuriousGeorge113 (47122) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246826)

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/04/195923 2&mode=thread&tid=110&tid=146

Looks like a Dupe here folks.

Re:DUPE!!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246876)

Umm, the article clearly states "As a follow-up".

It bad when they don't read the articles, but it ever worse when they don't read the /. story.

Re:DUPE!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246878)

Not a dupe moron, this one is specific to a particular school.

DUH! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246880)

What part of follow up don't you understand.

If this is ment as "funny" it sure isn't. At least you might not get the "redundents" like all the others who try this lame joke.

RTFS (-1, Troll)

M.C. Hampster (541262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246885)

You moron, read the submission. It's a follow-up to the story posted. What is it about the desire of so many Slashdotter's to point out a story is a dupe?

Re:RTFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247041)

this comment has already been made....

Re:DUPE!!!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247046)

It's a followup you stupid shit. For cunt's sake, can't you read or something? Go back to fucking school.

Actually just fuck off and die, you cock-swallower.

That is... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246829)

Until the market is saturated.

Re:That is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246839)

It's funny when trolls copy other people's posts [slashdot.org] and then post as a reply to an entirely unrelated thread.

first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246831)

!
I win

http://www.tearitalldown.com

YOU FAIL IT! (-1)

Failure Guy (627040) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246848)

No, this is not the first post! YOU FAIL IT!

YOU FAIL IT!

Re:YOU FAIL IT! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246892)

I missed that guy. Welcome back!

Nice that it's free for the students... (3, Informative)

meme_police (645420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246837)

...but I beg to differ with the $10,000 amount. And I'd hope that even a high school graduate could make more than $30k a year with a good understanding of Linux systems administration.

Re:Nice that it's free for the students... (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247148)

so just htink how much more one of these people will get because of the piece of paper.

Me first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246841)

Yahoo

Matt

fir$t (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246849)

slashdot sucks shit. the code is seriously fucked. malda doesn't know fuck.

At my high school (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246856)

There was a very similar two year course at my high school that granted certification for Cisco Router Systems. What I remember is the teachers' endless grumbling over how a kid right outta high school can now go get a job that pays better than teaching.

Re:At my high school (2, Informative)

SparklesMalone (623241) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246922)

And I got the same comment from my high school math/Fortran teacher (in 1980) when I told him what I was offered for my first job.
But Good for Red Hat. Send out those little Linux trojans into the Winworld.
Now are they also going to teach PHP and MySQL?

Re:At my high school (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246961)

Who gives a fuck about PHP and MySQL? What you fuckers don't seem to realise is that learning about specific products and technologies is next to fucking useless, because in a couple of years' time they'll be displaced by something 'better'.

Fuck off and learn something useful, like the fucking theory behind all this shit. You motherfuckers are really starting to piss me off bigstyle!

Presumptions (4, Funny)

Charlie Bill (34627) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246862)

get a job paying more than $30,000 a year right out of high school

Yeah, wait now -- who's hiring again?

Re:Presumptions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246888)

I get pretty sick of the rhetoric too. You could fit a decent car between the average salary people are supposed to be making around here in computers and how much they actually earn if they find a job.

Re:Presumptions (2, Informative)

BluedemonX (198949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246942)

Dude this was SOP when I couldn't find work a decade ago in Canada. If I had $1 every time someone said "go down to that Nortel and th'll give ya a $60,000 a year job right outa school!" I'd never need to work again.

Business reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246969)


mores the point who is going to hire a fresh faced student with zero commercial experience and just a piece of paper (no established recognition) to prove their competance for $30k ?

methinks someone is dreaming of utopia somewhere, business reality however is a different thing

Re:Business reality (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247001)

These fucking Linux-worshipping morons always come out with shit like that. I'm sick and tired of the bullshit that goes on here.

Arseholes. You all deserve to be raped. Fuck you - and you too. Motherfucking cunts.

Re:Presumptions (2, Insightful)

Su||uSt (151462) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247012)

Could this be compared to when linuxgruven (or whatever that linux certification training company was) guaranteed that you'd get a job (with them if necessary) after you got your cert?

Not nearly as bad though.

Re:Presumptions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247034)

Yeah, wait now -- who's hiring again?

There's a lot of companies in Bangalore that are hiring right now, since they are getting all the outsourcing work from companies that are laying off their IT staff. I doubt many of them pay $30K/year though...

First AtomAndHisPackagePost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246864)

I had a dream
When I was in high school
That I attended
The Red Hat Academy

+1 funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246952)

any slashdotter worth his weight in trolls should be nerdy enuf to knwo about atom and his package [atomandhispackage.com]

hehehe (4, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246865)

The highschool students would have to stand in line with the other college degree professionals with many years of experience to get any IT job. Even help desk.

I had to leave IT and I have several years of experience. Thanks to bootcamps certifications are no more then peaces of paper. A paper is nice but its worthless without experience.

Re:hehehe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246912)

"I had to leave IT and I have several years of experience."

Come now, Billy, I don't see how your stepping down from the top seat fits in with this story. But..

"Thanks to bootcamps certifications are no more then peaces of paper. A paper is nice but its worthless without experience."

It depends on the employer. Some daft companies still have idiots who think certifications are treasures worthy of being sealed in a vacuum display case to be preserved.

Most are smart enough to realize that they're now the equivalent of pre-bust stock options; emergency toilet paper, that tends to leave nasty paper cuts.

Experience is more valuable than any piece of paper you could have. I've known plenty of clueless MSCEs, and I'm sure I'll start meeting clueless RHCEs soon enough.

Re:hehehe (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246944)

And what the fuck would you know, arrogantly assuming you can judge people's worth. Maybe you should look at your own situation before denouncing people as 'clueless', you shitstabbing cocklicker. Fuck off.

Re:hehehe (-1, Redundant)

TheJesusCandle (558547) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247014)

... but back then, I was learning DOS 3.3 (for Apple II) and AppleWorks, becuase "everyone in the future will be using this stuff!"...

Anyway, I took that seriously, and made damn sure that I *knew* to enter the proper date when Appleworks was starting up, and that I *had* to make sure I had the right disks in the drives.

(Interesting note: Even in Word 2002, CONTROL-B and CONTROL-L are for bold and underlining, respectively)

Of course, we all learned how to use Apple DOS (both 3.3 and ProDOS) - we^H^Hthe rest of the class did this for a solid month, during which time I was permitted to play Choplifter, Cannonball Blitz, and Ultima V because I already knew how to use Dos... which *really* pissed the rest of the class off...

Anyway, to get to my point, I wonder how relavent the things that they learn now will be a few years after they graduate - and I hope it is *concepts* that they learn, instead of cookie cutter "type CATALOG to see a what's on your disk, insert your disk and type PR#6 to start AppleWorks" stuff...

Good on many fronts (5, Interesting)

jgennick (59014) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246869)

This is good news from several fronts. One thing I like about it is that it gives high-school students a marketable skill. It's always been a pet peeve of mine that we can send kids to school for 12 years (grades 1-12) and when they come out the other side we still haven't imbued them with skills to make a living.

Um, vocational track studies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247061)

You should have ventured more around your school, other than the library.

Shop/Trades (3, Informative)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247144)

If they want to make a living, and dont plan on going to college/university, their better off learning a trade down in the shop wing.

They're much more likely to be brought on as a carpenters/plumbers/welders/machinists apprentice than get a job in an office. They put in their dues on the jobsite, and can wind up a very well paid craftsman.

A lot of companies are giving up on certifications like this. Many more are looking for people with actual skills with computers and administration. You should be able to hand your IT guy a manual and he should be able to figure out the nuances of the system.

These children are being done a disservice by this. It's no different than the 'get Microsoft certified and make $50,000 a year' ads blaring on the radio.

so what's your point guy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246870)

education costs, and anyone with the cert has "skills" that pay. so?

can't help but feel you're trying to say they're overstating the value of the cert. cert is not a dirty word, it's what gets you paid. seems like a good investment by all.

Allow Me to Introduce Myself (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246874)

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Re:Allow Me to Introduce Myself (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246925)

It's funny when trolls copy other people's posts [slashdot.org] and then post as a reply to an entirely unrelated thread.

Re:Allow Me to Introduce Myself (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247097)

It's funny when trolls copy other people's posts [slashdot.org] and then post as a reply to an entirely unrelated thread

Jobs (0)

BlueRibbon (603297) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246879)

I don't know about the part of easily getting a job, but giving free RedHat formation is great!
Why doesn't this happen to me? Why do I have to pay for everything? :(

Not the only such thing happening (4, Informative)

killthiskid (197397) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246883)

According to Google News [google.com] , this isn't the only place such things are happening. Many schools are embracing linux, this program is just another great extension of such happenings.

Not Here. (0)

MadMacSkillz (648319) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246894)

Can't speak for other cities, but in Tampa, there's no way you're going to walk into a 30 grand Linux tech job right out of high school, no matter what your skill level is. Tech jobs in general are hard to come by here. Uh... unless it's... pron...

Re:Not Here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246920)

Yea well in Sarasota, there's no way your gonna walk into a tech job period ;0

Never helps me... (1)

DaHat (247651) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246896)

I always hear such news and it tends to sadden me, nothing like that was ever available at my high school nor is it at my college despite frequent promises to come up with similar programs. Maybe I should stop paying my 4 year university large sums of money twice a year and go to a boot camp for a few weeks, it might cost more, but some would say I'd get more out of it.

Thats too young! (5, Insightful)

Snosty (210966) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246897)

Its nice and all that they are trying to help highschool kids have a future after school but I don't think this is an appropriate choice for training. I have yet to meet anyone "right out of highschool" who has the intellectual maturity (notice I didn't say capacity) to function in a corporate position. This applies especially to positions such as Systems Administration where experience, wisdom and maturity are an absolute necessity.

I know all the shit-hot teenage geeks out there are going to think I'm out of line for saying this (especially when they feel they are ready to take on the world). I'd recommend they go to University and expand their minds a bit even if they feel it is below them or that they wouldn't learn anything. Don't rush into being a wage-slave, kiddies, its not half as much fun as you think it is.

Re:Thats too young! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246973)

yea and the *adults* that i've had the pleasure to work with in corporate grinder were just the epitome of maturity.

-pissing matches
-power struggles
-nepotism
-you turn into a mindless lemming
-worse, you turn into an overachiver that leaves a wake of destruction longer then the columbia

sure a lot of dumbass kids coming out of corporate america...so it's no surprise corporate america resembles..well...corporate america.

the good,sharp,smart kids...if they go into corporate america..are doomed to be ruined.

Re:Thats too young! (5, Insightful)

adjuster (61096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247003)

This applies especially to positions such as Systems Administration where experience, wisdom and maturity are an absolute necessity.

Ahh-- but the only true wisdom and experience comes from actually doing the work. Being a "junior" sysadmin or an intern under good people is the best training anybody can get. I try to take on at least one (1) intern every summer, and I encourage anybody who wants to see the median level of "suck" in our job field get lower to do the same...

That is, unless you are a sucky sysadmin to start with... *smirk*

Re:Thats too young! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247058)

Take your cunting arrogance and walk in front of a bus, you insolent shit. If you think other people 'suck' so much maybe you should look at yourself. Not such a pretty sight huh? You fucking cocktaker, you're not superior to anyone. Do you hear me? Fuck off.

Re:Thats too young! (3, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247009)

(I am not going to say that people are going to make 30k out of HS w/this cert, but for shits and giggles, let's go w/it).

So instead of coming out of high school and starting work at 30k, these kids are going to goto college and pay $10k+/yr for 4 years. They are going to be able to actually afford $3000 of that. So after college they have $30k in debt.

Now. Instead of going to school they start working at 30k. They have no debts. They have a car, a job, and are gaining experience faster than any college intern for 2 months during two summers.

I went to school for 4.5 years. I had nearly a full scholarship for athletics. I still have quite a bit to pay off. I have a job that doesn't pay all that great, I am worried about losing my job, I already lost wage increases. I had no experience, I have little money, and I am just as scared as everyone else.

How is this a bad thing? Get the money first and go back to school later. That's my opinion.

Re:Thats too young! (2, Interesting)

adjuster (61096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247081)

How is this a bad thing? Get the money first and go back to school later. That's my opinion.

I'll second that! I'm taking classes for my B.S. now, since I've decided that my Associate Degree doesn't really satisfy me. I'm amazed and pleased with the changes in my "study ethic" after being in the workforce for six (6) years. I find that I'm applying myself a lot more effectively, both because I've gained maturity in my organizational and time management skills, and because now it's MY money that's financing my education (though it was my money the first time, too... *sigh*).

I'm also a firm believer that the money you earn early in life is the money that's worth most to you. I'm glad I've spent the last six (6) years investing in my house and in my retirement-- that's years of compounding interest and appreciation of value that I'd have never had if I didn't start working young.

Re:Thats too young! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247070)

And take some humanities while you're at it you bloody robots!

Re:Thats too young! (2, Interesting)

silas_moeckel (234313) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247128)

As somebody who was shipped of to work at IBM while in HS by the HS I would have to disagree. Starting early is a great idea especialy in intern and other low level jobs that you need to build up a resume. It can also allow people to WORK through school and not start out life so far back in debt. The partys and socalizing of school may be fun and good networking but if mommy and daddy cant pay for it and your not a jock or a perfect student then I would say taking a 2nd shift help desk position of junior admin is a great way to get a leg up on your beer guzzaling friends (you can do that on the weekend like an adult er 20 something :)

I can see this working very well when combined with a good local after school internship program. It can allow high school students to find a career that they enjoy earn enough money in HS and later to put themselves through school. Yes this is a tough way to do things but I'll teel you this I'll hire a hot teenage geek that loves to do this over some college kid that isn't sure what they want to do with there life.

BTW dont tell me kids dont know what to do go back a few hundred years and people had families by age 18 and a career this is just our society playing one up on itself every generation.

Hopefully they will learn some grammer as well. (0, Troll)

FelixCat (594769) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246899)

and use it get a job

Perhaps they can use it to get a job as well.

Re:Hopefully they will learn some grammer as well. (-1, Offtopic)

bwhaley (410361) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246953)

> Hopefully they will learn some grammer as well.

Or maybe they will learn some grammar in the process....

Re:Hopefully they will learn some grammer as well. (0, Offtopic)

FelixCat (594769) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246990)

That will learn me to read my posts before posting.

Although, the word "grammer" is in the Oxford English Dictionary. It's listed as an obsolete form of grammar.

Next time I will use my RedHat certification to invoke to ispell (or aspell) command.

Re:Hopefully they will learn some grammer as well. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247104)

That will learn me to read my posts before posting

So is that the obsolete form of grammar, or is it the new styley gramma?

Re:Hopefully they will learn some grammer as well. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246954)

Perhaps you need to learn how to spell, "grammar", before you learn about "grammar".

Subversive... (3, Funny)

PissingInTheWind (573929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246910)

I like it.

When they are younger, it's easier to mold their minds.

Way to go for Linux world domination.

Re:Subversive... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246987)

You stupid cocksucker. It looks like the Linux cult has warped your mind if you're saying fucking retarded things like that.

Only learn Linux and you are not going to get very far in IT, you penis-hugging moron.

$30,000 a year (1)

Bud Higgins (599268) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246916)

Is that considered a descent salary? A college graduate in Engineering should be making over $50k a year. I think that it is more important for these kids, who are obviously smart since they are using Linux, to go to a university and get a solid education.

Re:$30,000 a year (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247038)

Some quick math here....

$30k per year with $0 direct education costs
$50k pery year with $bigint direct education cost.

Hrm. Doesn't sound that bad to me.

Re:$30,000 a year (1)

adjuster (61096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247050)

Is that considered a descent salary?

I suppose that depends on you expenses. Back in '96 living w/ my parents making $27K a year was pretty good stuff, especially considering that they didn't charge me rent. I saved some cash for year, spent a year in a shitty apartment, and made a sizeable downpayment on a cheap but liveable house w/ cash I'd saved in that time. I think it was a pretty good deal.

By no means, though, does that mean that I'd have stayed satisifed at $27K-- but then, I kept studying, testing, hacking around, and getting better, 'cuz I knew that if I didn't it'd be $27K forever... *shudder*

Re:$30,000 a year Can I have what you are smoking (2, Insightful)

puto (533470) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247071)

An engineer? What kind? Mechanical? Electrical? Give me the type please.

There are very few jobs that you get right out of college paying 50k a year, I don't care what your GPA was, if you were student body pres, or blew the dean of men.

I have 13 years tech experience, plus an IS degree, and two years doing tech work in Latin America(speak fluent spanish) I just got a job pulling 42 grand a year with full benefits. AND I AM DAMN GLAD OF IT. The job is in Louisiana where the cost of living is dirt ass cheap, so it is like 55 any where else.

My friends who become engineers all, got jobs making 25-30k when they started out, and these are guys with GPAS from great school.

A college degree does not guarantee you a 50k job, nor does a masters.

And I hate to say it, but all my jobs looked at past projects and years on the job. Though the degree does open a lotta doors.

A college graduate with a good 8 years under his built might make 50.

You need a reality check.

Puto

Re:$30,000 a year Can I have what you are smoking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247136)

Hate to brag, but I just gradute (less than a year ago), my GPA was under 3.0, and I'm making more than you...I'm a EE, i did HF stuff in undergrad mostly, yeah, i guess you were right about the 50 grand, but wait, my friend got a job doing digital circuit something or another and he's making over 20 grand more than you, oh and he graduated same time as me...

Fuck fuck fuck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246924)

Fuck it. Here we are whining on about red hat this and microsoft that .. and what the fuck is going on with the world? Who the fuck knows. Who cares. What's the point to life?

So you leave this school and get a 30k job (as if) - it's nothing more than slavery. You're just working to make the guys at the top a shitload of money. Fuck that. Go and shoot the bastards.

Motherfuckers. Fuck the police. Fuck.

Re:Fuck fuck fuck (0, Troll)

collapser (610412) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247000)

<I>So you leave this school and get a 30k job (as if) - it's nothing more than slavery. You're just working to make the guys at the top a shitload of money.</I>

<BR>and did you ever consider how some of those people managed to get to that position *without* their daddy's chequebook?
<BR>
<BR>VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOM!
<BR>(the sound of ambition being thrown out of the window at 300 mph)

Re:Fuck fuck fuck (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247079)

I'm with you buddy, you take out the damn clown, and I'll deal with that take damn burgerlar bastard, who's up for taking out that shit with the five star badge?

Reminds me of my time in High School! (4, Insightful)

rickthewizkid (536429) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246926)

... but back then, I was learning DOS 3.3 (for Apple II) and AppleWorks, becuase "everyone in the future will be using this stuff!"...

Anyway, I took that seriously, and made damn sure that I *knew* to enter the proper date when Appleworks was starting up, and that I *had* to make sure I had the right disks in the drives.

(Interesting note: Even in Word 2002, CONTROL-B and CONTROL-L are for bold and underlining, respectively)

Of course, we all learned how to use Apple DOS (both 3.3 and ProDOS) - we^H^Hthe rest of the class did this for a solid month, during which time I was permitted to play Choplifter, Cannonball Blitz, and Ultima V because I already knew how to use Dos... which *really* pissed the rest of the class off...

Anyway, to get to my point, I wonder how relavent the things that they learn now will be a few years after they graduate - and I hope it is *concepts* that they learn, instead of cookie cutter "type CATALOG to see a what's on your disk, insert your disk and type PR#6 to start AppleWorks" stuff...

-RickTheWizKid
(Open-Apple-S to save, Open-Apple-P to print)

Re:Reminds me of my time in High School! (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247114)

(Interesting note: Even in Word 2002, CONTROL-B and CONTROL-L are for bold and underlining, respectively)
I'm only running Word 2000, but CONTROL-L appears to do nothing. In order to underline you type CONTROL-U.

But if Microsoft were to do such a thing..... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246934)

We would all be complaining and kicking and screaming right now. What's the difference between Redhat and Microsoft? In business terms nothing, they both have share holders to please. Don't become gullible to Redhat, they need to make money too. The only good thing is that they help tow the open source line and are successful in socio-economic terms.

Re:But if Microsoft were to do such a thing..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247035)

The difference is Microsoft would be getting people dependant on a world of proprietary software, whereas this certification is applicable to *nix systems in general (granted, not all UNIX systems are the same, but the point stands).

Re:But if Microsoft were to do such a thing..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247078)

I'm glad some fucker has a fucking clue around here. These retards have their tongues so far up the Linux rectum they can't taste anything but shit. Fuck RedHat and fuck Microsoft. Fuck Debian and OpenBSD too. Fuck you all.

Re:But if Microsoft were to do such a thing..... (4, Insightful)

dameron (307970) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247083)

Memorize this:

Microsoft is a molopolist, it used or attempted to use its molopoly in operating systems to gain additional monopolies and destroy competitors.

Redhat didn't.

Think of it like a prison record: would you trust high schoolers with a convicted (and largely unrepentant) criminal?

-dameron

Re:But if Microsoft were to do such a thing..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247106)

Oh, shut up. You Linux twats are like a stuck record.

Stop repeating the same mantras whereever you go and put some thought into it, you daft fuck.

Re:But if Microsoft were to do such a thing..... (1)

adjuster (61096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247102)

We would all be complaining and kicking and screaming right now.

I don't see the need to "kick and scream", but I'd say that Microsoft-specific training is as useless as Cisco or RedHat specific training. Concepts and fundamentals are important. It doesn't matter if you know how to "Install Apache", "Configure EIGRP", or "Put up a DHCP Server" if you don't understand what those things do or the purpose they serve.

Just what we need... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246935)

more people without college degrees working in the IT field. I mean, shucks... Who needs emotional intelligence, improved social skills, exposure to a broad range of topics, writing skills, and all of that other silly things you hopefully pick up in college?

Seriously, most of the H.S.-diploma-only folks I've ever dealt with in the professional world have chips on their shoulders. Ten times worse than those who went to Ivy League schools, in fact.

Ahahah (1)

DaLiNKz (557579) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246938)

god.. See, the idea is fine.. But that figure is a bit off lol -- then again i wish they had that back when i was highschool, I could have shown off :)

wait for the massive influx.. (1)

collapser (610412) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246943)

..of geek parents into Greensboro.

That is, if geeks ever get the opportunity to become parents (I know I don't).

Re:wait for the massive influx.. (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247103)

That is, if geeks ever get the opportunity to become parents

Under Darwinian Evolution, that is not good for the geek!

Perhaps Redhat realises this, and are trying to get the next generation hooked earlier... ;-)

Re:wait for the massive influx.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247138)

Fuck Darwin. Evolution is just a theory.

And there ain't much difference between evolution-type theories and creationism-type theories.

Both have a starting point where something was created, somehow. Evolution doesn't solve a damn thing in that respect.

Linux? (1, Troll)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246945)

I have to wonder if this is good news overall for the Linux community.

Many students spend well over $100,000 on a 4 yr college education and then graduate without Jobs. Do we really want college kids competing with HS grads for the same mid to upper-salary jobs in the $30-35K range?

Re:Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246976)

If you aren't majoring in a field with certain employment WTF are you doing in school?

Re:Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5246985)

$30k-$35k is upper range????

Damn - where I work, the janitors make much more than that.

I'm the lowest paid sysadmin on staff, and I make more than twice that...

Re:Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247017)

In one word..
YES

None of what I was taught in college even registers with what I do on a daily basis with computers. Maybe this will help colleges understand that memorization machines are not what people want to be when they graduate.

Re:Linux? (1)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247121)

This last generation has been taught that college degrees, and only college degrees, provide viable education for the workplace. Hence, it's no surprise we have a surplus of college degrees.

This is really unnecessary and harmful to the workplae overall, which is why I have chosen to go into tradeschool and become an electrician. You get paid modest wages while you learn (apprenticeship), and because of the low demand for college diplomas, trade professions are really lacking in new prospects.

Nutrition and dirt... (5, Insightful)

adjuster (61096) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246967)

But Weaver students can get Red Hat certification free -- and use it get a job paying more than $30,000 a year right out of high school.'

Oh, sweet $DEITY. They could spend time taking college classes in high school, learning marketable skills that aren't tied to a particular manufacturer's contrivances of what a computer operating system should look and act like, learning to code, READING BOOKS, and end up far valuable "just out of high school" than a little RedHat, Cisco, or Microsoft drone. It seems a little premature (high school) to be focusing so heavily on something so specialized instead of gaining an appreciation and general understanding of computing.

The kids that come out of these programs (I've got a "Cisco Academy" at a high school close by that I work with, and know people who teach at another high school that's been doing CompTIA "A+" training, and I've gotten to be around some of these kids) are mostly useless drones. The kids that really have potential are the ones that hack around on their own, have a genuine interest, and make something of themselves on their own. I'd take one (1) of them to ten (10) of these "cookie cutter kids". The training is just too specialized-- they can't handle something that wasn't "in the book".

Don't get me wrong-- I think it's great that schools are expanding their technical training-- but don't expect these kids to be useful for much other than what they've been "trained" for when they get done.

Those Cisco kiddies can sure make the patch cables, though. Snip-snip, crimp-crimp!

Re:Nutrition and dirt... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247024)

  • Oh, sweet $DEITY.
You are a retard. I bet you think duct tape is fucking hilarious too, you unfunny cuntbreath.

Same stuff...different decade (2, Insightful)

yiantsbro (550957) | more than 11 years ago | (#5246989)

Vocational training in high school has always provided this type of opportunity. Right now we have IT certs like this one and the CISCO ones we have in my town (and they are grouped with the vocational classes). When I was in high school several of my friends leveraged their vocational training into 30K-40K jobs with various airlines as machinists. When my father was in high school, he leveraged his electronics vocational training into a good paying job (at the time) with the phone company (remember when all telcom was simply 'the phone company'?).

One big difference though is the lack of unions in IT. Even through crappy economic times and corporate changes my father and friends from high school have continued to do alright--not great, but alright.

Great, but kids - please go to college (5, Insightful)

Zerbey (15536) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247028)

I must applaud this school, and Red Hat for their efforts. I wish they did this 9 years ago when I was at school! I know of several schools in my area offering MCSE and Cisco certifications as well.

I hope that the school is encouraging the kids to use this new knowlege as a jumpstart into college. Kids: $30,000 a year may sound like a lot when you're living with your parents but it's nothing once you have a mortgage and hungry mouths to feed! With a college degree you can command a much higher salary [1].

A college placement is much easier to come by if you can say you obtained Linux certs in school and it'll give you a huge advantage over the other students.

In writing this comment I have had one thought though. When are High Schools going to start teaching kids how to read, write and do arithmetic? I know plenty of people WITH high school dipolmas who can't spell, can barely read and need a calculator for basic arithmetic.

[1] I'm also hoping that by the time current high school students graduate college the economical climate will have improved and jobs will become available for them.

Re:Great, but kids - please go to college (1)

Zerbey (15536) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247054)

Maybe I should also take a refresher course in grammar! Ewww!! It's been a long day... :)

hardly (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247073)

I've seen tons of places that want help desk monkeys with degrees. Its really that hard to follow the answer tree? The only people who tend to be any good are the ones who do computers for a hobby, so its clear they have a thorough understanding. Theres no shortage of people with 4 year degrees who are utter dumbasses too. My old boss had a PhD in physics and still didn't understand why square pegs don't fit in round holes.

Oh please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247091)

"$30,000 a year may sound like a lot when you're living with your parents but it's nothing once you have a mortgage and hungry mouths to feed!"

Don't be a mindless breeder and let someone else worry about property taxes and maintenance, i.e. rent a place. You'll have plenty of money then.

Hah. (0, Flamebait)

pla (258480) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247037)

30k out of HS with a RHCE? Yeah, smoke some more.

I have a 2-year degree, a brace of 4-year degrees, and as many Linux certs (LCP and LCA), as well as 8 years experience as a firmware engineer, and still can't get a tech job.

Oh, wait, did the article forget to mention that McDonald's has started accepting an RHCE in place of sending management candidates to Hamburger U? Silly me. Must have missed that.

Either that, or RedHat will hire them as instructors to spread their certs-in-HS program to other places. LinuxGruven, anyone?

$30,000 isn't that much... (0, Flamebait)

vspazv (578657) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247044)

I make that in retail computer sales at 21 while going to college in my spare time. Heck, one of the women I work with makes over $50,000.

Re:$30,000 isn't that much... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247093)

Have you fucked her? In the cunt?

I bet you haven't, you prudish fleck. Wouldn't dare, would you? She'd whip out her vibrator and douse you one in the buttocks, and there where would you be, hmm?

Gay boy.

Now Paper RHCE (1)

ToasterTester (95180) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247119)

Training these kids is cool, but don't brainwash them to think they can get a job out of high school. They need more education, and more experience. Can you imagine one of these poor kids dealing with a outage and some suit breathing down their neck. There is far more than having a handful of technical knowledge. Got to know how to handle the whole situation.

Train them and tell them they have a step ahead of others when they go on to college. Don't tell them they are ready for the real world.

RedHat is the Microsoft of the free OS community (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5247129)

This is similar to Microsoft giving "free" software to schools: it misguides kids into an inferior OS and hooks them when they're still young. Instead, we need to spread the word that FreeBSD is the truly free technically superior operating system of choice. There's no need for linux to keep reinventing what's already done better in BSD.

Buy RH preinstalled at Wallmart $299 (1)

bstadil (7110) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247149)

And get a computer with RH preinstalled for under $300 to learn on.

"Sam's Club, [com.com] the members-only branch of retail giant Wal-Mart, has entered the budget PC race with a $299 system running Red Hat's version of the Linux operating system.

high school programs are bullshit (3, Insightful)

cybergeak (318482) | more than 11 years ago | (#5247150)

my highschool had 2 year Cisco program that started my junior year. I wanted to take it but had a class conflict. In the end it worked out for the best that i didn't take it because it was a 2 year waste of time.

the instructor was the auto teacher who went through a 6 week course to teach a 2 year program. Any time a student had a question, the teacher didn't have a clue. After 2 years, not a single student was able to pass the certification test, or even think it was worth it to try.

I got a part time job working the help desk at a local ISP/website development/network administration company my senior year. after working there for 4 months i knew more about router configurations than any of my friends in the 'holy' Cisco program. You can see why i feel highschool programs are bullshit now.

Applying this to the Red Hat situation, Unless red hat hired and is paying the instructor, its going to be some math teacher, or shop teacher who got a book and a boot camp and he/she will be lost and the kids' time would be better spent reading stuff off of the internet durning a study hall.
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