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Instant Concert CDs?

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the taking-all-the-fun-out-of-it dept.

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NickRipley writes "Clear Channel (owner of every radio station in America) is purporting to offer a new service, whereby concertgoers can receive an official recording of the concert they just attended, within moments after the final note. How will the RIAA react to this, seeing as this is legitimizing one of the oldest forms of music pirating? Also, what kind of equipment will have to be used to produce these so fast? Will the recording process suffer due to the hurry?"

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Ehh (2, Interesting)

lordaych (560786) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257803)

I don't see why the RIAA would care. They may consider the act of individual listeners recording and distributing concert recordings piracy, but Clear Channel will likely charge $20-30 per recording, making a decent incoming in the process, "legitimizing" the act and thus rendering "piracy" in this case a non-issue.

Assuming these will be highest-possible-quality recordings (who knows) this of course would be a boon for so-called "bootleggers" who would no longer need to participate in the act of recording these shows but instead simply need to buy one copy and run off as many dupes as they need.

frist spot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257804)

frost spit

First Post for Booths girl! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257807)

She is SOOOOOOOO cute! I love her!

YES!

Clear Channel (3, Insightful)

Znonymous Coward (615009) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257808)

is not a radio station company... They are an advertising company that happens to own every radio station in America. It's a shame.

first fist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257809)

first fist is when you fist someone first in quake 3 arena

Technology gives - and technology takes away (5, Insightful)

mickwd (196449) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257816)

It's only thanks to technology that there is a "recording" industry in the first place. Before performances could be recorded, musicians had to make money through performing their works. Technology, and the ability to record music, created the recording industry.

Is it too surprising, then, if technology might take it away again ?

In my personal opinion, music is about many things.......creation, art, emotion, enjoyment, life. If there is one word which doesn't belong next to the word "music", it's the word "business".

FYI (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257817)

In soviet russia /. code is not fucked up.

hee hee fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257818)

dragon!

Oh the irony.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257819)

When done by a small group of people it's considered pirating, bootlegging, and illegal.

When done by a large group of well financed people, its called "good business".

Another copyrighted,redtaped step for the good old "United States of America INC."

How will RIAA react? (1)

slashuzer (580287) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257821)

How will the RIAA react to this

Simple. By legislation.

Not that clearchannel are saints...

No choice? (1)

No Such Agency (136681) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257825)

Seeing as it's Clear Channel (whose concert promotions arm is huge and brings in 100's of millions of $), they may be able to force artists/their labels to agree to sales of these CD's. No live CD rights, no concert. I don't know how diversified the concert promotion market is but I bet CC is at least one of a very small # of 500-pound gorillas in the industry.

This actually would be cool for smaller bands who put on smaller shows. It'd be nice to have a recording which contains all the stuff that happened while you were there - the mic mix ups, the silly stage patter where the lead singer says how he got lost in your town during college etc. But I can easily see the band getting screwed on this and that's not what I want either!

Argh! Not Clear Channel! (1)

spacedx (458227) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257826)

Clear Channel and the RIAA are two sides of the same anti-music and anti-consumer mega-corporate coin. This is obviously some sort of thinly veiled and pathetic attempt for CC to get buddy-buddy with consumers that hate the RIAA but it's all the same lie. They want to and do control every aspect of most major city radio stations, homogenizing every single one until all the CEO himself has to do is push a button sending out all of the computer-generated crap programming to every radio station in the US. I will not listen to Clear Channel radio stations and I will not buy these "on-demand" live CDs because the less money that makes it into Clear Channel's pockets the better.

pirst fost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257827)

blah de blah!

Duplication... (5, Informative)

mackd (179) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257828)

I worked on a production requiring this kind of speed. However, we were using audio cassettes, and the material involved was a spoken presentation that we had permission to duplicate and sell.

This is how it worked: we created a master tape on the fly during the program. At the conclusion of the program, the master was carried down to a workroom with tape duplication machines. We could have 16 tapes created within 4 minutes of the end of the presentation--with more coming. If it was this simple with analog equipment, I'd imagine a digital method for distributing these recordings would be a piece of cake.

Quality compared to what? (1)

CleverMonkey (62124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257830)

Will the quality be less than that of a minidisc that someone smuggled into the show inside their jacket and tried to keep the microphone out while dancing and such? Or will the quality be less than a studio-mixed album that is engineered over months by experts? I think the answers to both these questions are clear.

Given that live music is the best music... (5, Interesting)

dWhisper (318846) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257835)

Well, most of the time anyway.

I can only imagine that the RIAA would squash this one, since traditionally, there would be all sorts of copyright issues here. Royalties go to the Label, Producer, Studio, Artists, RIAA, and who knows who else. Beyond that, a lot of the great artists play cover songs and unreleased material, which they'd have to cover royalties or permissions for that.

However, I would say that I'd pay for concerts of a lot of bands. People like BNL, Dave Matthews, etc. that throw some of the best live shows on earth would be worth it. Of course, since this article implies that you have to attend the concert, and the RIAA has little sway there, this is something that benefits the artists (and Clear Channel).

This would be great, if you can afford a ticket or get a chance. But what about the people in South Dakota that never see anyone, or people overseas who can't make a concert?

If this is something that the artists support, it would be easy to have the recordings ready. Fast burners and digital recording equipment tied into the sound system would make it easy to get these discs out minutes after a concert ends. What would be sad is that most likely, encores and bonus sets would be lost if they cut the recording early.

However, since this looks like something they're going to start in club shows, I'd imagine it's meant to boost new and smaller artists, which is great. I've seen enough small bands that never even crossed the radar of most radio, and it would have been great to hear their sets again.

Payola to the Artists? (4, Informative)

The Mutant (167716) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257837)

I'm inclined to say "Great Idea!" but before I do so I'd like to know how much of this $15 would end up in the artists pockets?

If it's anything like Courtney Love's [holemusic.com] RIAA / Recording Artist math, I think it will just put more cash in the wrong pockets.

Seems like the Artists should get a higher percentage than their standard recording contract might allow, since this would be a major impulse buy on the part of many concert goers - especially considering the effect of various substances and inhibitions.

w000t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257839)

not quite first

what the fuck is going on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257845)

comments arent showing up anywhere.

this site fucking sucks. can't you guys figure something is wrong here?

What About Non-Attendees? (4, Interesting)

Servo5678 (468237) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257847)

What about selling these CDs to customers who did not attend the concert? If my favorite musician is coming nowhere near my town, can I buy one of these CDs? I own all the albums of my favorite groups, so there's just nothing left in the music world for me to buy. Offering these concert CDs for sale to anyone would entice a lot of people in my position to purchase some new music.

Good idea (1)

drunkmonk (241978) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257850)

That's really a good idea. Technically, I don't think it would be that hard (digitize the audio as it comes in, burn a single master at the end of the show and then let the CD replicators churn), and I have a feeling that Clear Channel is paying the RIAA their piece, too, so there shouldn't be any legal problems.

Of course, after the $5 beers and $35 t-shirts, most concert-goers are dead broke by the end of the show...

Article Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257853)

Experiments are rife in the music business these days -- and Boston will be a test market for one of the most novel of them. Clear Channel Concerts, the nation's largest concert promoter, has ambitious plans to record live CDs of its shows and sell them to patrons within five minutes after those shows end. Clear Channel is targeting Boston as the first site for the new plan, according to sources within the organization.

Multiple CD burners would be brought in, and the live CDs would probably sell for around $15 in the same way that T-shirts and other merchandise can be purchased after concerts. No one knows what the demand would be, but the project is expected to begin at club shows within a couple of months, then be refined and work its way up to the amphitheater level, though that may not happen until next year, sources say.

Clear Channel spokeswoman Pam Fallon would not confirm or deny word of the CD burning and sales plan. ''All I can say is that we're working on a series of initiatives in the next couple of months,'' she said.

Clear Channel vice president Steve Simon, who works at Cambridge's Clear Channel office and has helped manage the platinum-selling band Boston, is said to be heading the project.

Good idea (1)

Zemran (3101) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257854)

I think this is a good example of new technology being put to good use. I am sure the artist will get their cut, the maker will get his cut and the buyer will get something they really want.

It is time the *IAA stopped fighting technology and started embracing it.

sounds great but... (1)

scudiac (648731) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257855)

I'm sure they are going to charge an outrageous price, plus I don't think the shows I go to are sponsered/hosted/etc by clear channel. Overall, It sounds like a pretty good idea. I hope the quality is good, and the cover art or whatever isn't plastered with "made possible by clear channel" garbage.

What a great idea... (3, Interesting)

magickalhack (648733) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257858)

Clear Channel (owner of every radio station in America)
LMAO!

This sounds like a great money making scheme... making the RIAA likely to fight it tooth and nail. Just like they did with radio, and tapes, and cds, and now digital music on the 'net. Yup. And in 10 years they'll wonder how they every got by without it.

Been done before.... (1)

gr8fulnded (254977) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257859)

This has been done many times over in the jamband scene over the past few years. Bands which allow taping [archive.org] at their concerts are sseeing an increasing amount of people who tape directly to their laptops with a mic and audio-in enabled soundcard. If you're friendly with the tapers, they'll burn a copy for you right after the show. Once again, the music industry is behind the times. I've been watching this for several years now. The industry will probably do the same thing except attach a cdrw jukebox to it for mass production. --Dave

BLAH BLAH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257862)

the RIAA wants a monopoly on music, just like Microsoft wants to be the only ones with a desktop OS

damn both of them

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Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257863)

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Clear Channel (1)

rpillala (583965) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257864)

Does Clear Channel own any rights to the concert performance? I hope for their sake that they do, since this would be the basis on which the RIAA would get pissed off. If CC is able to make this arrangement with the artists themselves, it could be a good thing.

On the other hand, I only trust Clear Channel as far as I can throw it. I guess in an official announcement, or once they start doing this, we'll see if the CDs also end up in stores next to studio albums.

Ravi

First OGG post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257868)

I refuse to purchase and/or pirate this product until it is produced in the .ogg format

Quality (5, Interesting)

nautical9 (469723) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257870)

The speed at which they burn their CDs won't have any effect on quality. The real issue is the amount and care of their prep work before each concert, to make sure the feeds they're capturing are of a high quality. And they should be if they're patched into the same feeds that the concert speakers are getting, since they then get the benefits of the same volume levels and mixing that the concert guys put together.

Obviously, there will be no post-production editing or enhancing, so you're basically just buying a fancy bootleg, not a CD you'd buy from a store of a live performance. But it shouldn't suck too bad, and it'd sure beat holding up a mini-recorder in the crowd.

(probably a moot point, as I can't see the RIAA letting this happen - unless they're getting a healthy chunk out of the pie.)

Recording quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257872)

The perfect product for the perfect culture. At the risk of sounding cynical, this will be ideal for the great mass of people who would not know good sound if it bit them in the ass. A great live album (CD, DVD, SACD, LP, cassette, whatever) takes a lot of time to mix properly. Most are made poorly now, the last live CDs that I bought that sounded good were made in the 1970s.

Generally, I suspect that the great mass of you all out there will love this sort of dreck. When I think of the horrid bootleg recordings that I have heard in my life that others thought were wonderful I can only shake my head in disgust. Enjoy the crap, more is on its way.

Would have to sign "Fair use" agreement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257873)

I am sure one would have to sign some sort of "Fair use" agreement, before purchasing the CD.

This is not piracy (5, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257874)

This is the instant selling of a live album. Recording a live concert was never piracy as long as you got permission (ignoring that the band may not have the proper rights to the songs, those might belong to the label or songwriter)

DCMA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257878)

I wonder if these will be copyprotected CDs. It seems like they probably will not be. I wouldn't be surprised if certain bands won't allow this then.

The concept is great though: Leave the concert, pop the CD in your stereo, and immediately re-live the concert!

Imagine Kazaa full of good-quality recordings of every concert a band makes!

This is great! (1)

markc (42459) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257879)

Someone stepping up and trying to use technology, not squash it! Personally, there are lots of shows I go to that I'd like a recording of and have started downloading shortens and burning them myself. I don't know if my price point is $15 or not, tho.

Of course, the shows where they're going to record they probably wouldn't allow tapers...

But, it's a step in the right direction.

First OGG Post? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257880)

I refuse to buy and/or pirate this product until it is produced in the far superior .ogg format.

My view on Clear Channel is... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257882)

Frost Pirst, mega sucka beyotches

So let me get this straight.... (1)

aetherspoon (72997) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257885)

... ClearChannel Communications, the owner of the monopoly on radio broadcasting and hated by me, is going to get in to a battle soon most likely (as I'm assuming the RIAA isn't going to let this one through) with the Recording Industry Association of America and is also hated by me. ... I see this as a win/win situation, doesn't anyone else? :)

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257889)

Who cares what the RIAA and Clear Channel do to each other. We should set aside a part of the Arizona desert specifically for them to battle it out in a death match or something.

By the way, Slashdot is borken, and my posts aren't showing up.

Machines? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257894)

And how exactly do they intend on making the copies of the concert that quickly other than to have about the equivilent of 28,460 cd burners on hand?

With the current speed of cd recorders... (1)

aed (156746) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257895)

...and the availability of duplicators that can create multiple cd's in one run, you can have a cd in under half a minute each.

Paying for Poor Quality (2, Insightful)

fobside (140397) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257896)

Why would anyone want a CD of a live concert with music and vocals that are really done live. Almost every "live album" you can buy in stores has been redone. Basically, you would get inferior quality music.

Plus lots of bands record with extra instruments that they don't use when they play live. Those are often added in when they make the "live album" for sale.

some bands allow you to tape their shows already (1)

tetrode (32267) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257900)

see etree.org, furthurnet.org for legal trading

Mark

I doubt the RIAA will have a problem with this.. (1)

zapster (39411) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257903)

since you have to pay $15 to buy the CD, everyone gets their cut and goes home happy. The recording process may "suffer" but I suspect the recorded music will be of a much higher quality than that recorded on the floor with a (choose your fav recording instrument)

where is the audio input (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257905)

plays cd. hears ambient noise and some talking.
"wow that man in the first row has a funny nose."
"shut up and tune the damn instrument"
"hey are those high sensitivity microphones up there?"

the equipment u need is of course the printers that can print printers, lots of cd ink cartridges, and recorders that record and print printing printers.

Equipment / recording process (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257906)

Also, what kind of equipment will have to be used to produce these so fast?

A multi-channel (I reckon between 16 and 24 channels for the average gig) hard-disk recording with a huge disk will be sufficient. If everything is set up correctly during the sound check, you should get a clean direct sound.

Will the recording process suffer due to the hurry?

Probably, since there will be not much time check for recording errors (or technical failures) or extra audio processing (eg filtering). I wonder more who will make clearance for the recordings. Will really everything be on the disk? That would include the announcments between songs, and every single mishap that can occur during a show. Probably a frightening ascpect for the artists and the PR guys.

Note the word official (4, Insightful)

MyNameIsFred (543994) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257908)

How will the RIAA react to this, seeing as this is legitimizing one of the oldest forms of music pirating?
Note the word "official," as long as the Clear Channel concert contracts have this stipulated as an option, it will not be an issue. Heck, RIAA will probably like it because now they can get a cut unlike the unofficial bootlegs. I also note this is not the first mention of this. I can't find the press release now, but another group recently mentioned that concert goers would be given access to a website to download mp3s of the concert. Within a couple of weeks of the concert they would receive a professional CD of the concert.

What will the RIAA think? (1)

jstrain (648252) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257910)

I'm not so sure the RIAA would really care. I suppose it would all depend on who gets the proceeds. Would Clear Channel be making the real profits off of it? I don't see it as piracy, or the RIAA caring, as long as they are getting a big piece of the pie.

A great idea (1)

mathe_an (580461) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257917)

Whenever I come out of a concert, usually on a high after seeing the band, I tend to blow all the cash I have on me on crap that the touts are flogging outside. Rip off merchansise, posters, that kind of thing. It would be great to be able to come out, get a much better souvenir and also contribute to the band. I imagne it would also hit the knock off merchants that hang outside pretty badly. RIAA and whoever, surely, should be able to see the sense in that. Then again, maybe not ;)

No piracy issues (1)

ColdGrits (204506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257919)

if they have cleared this in advance with the band / promoters / agents.

No problem whatsoever.

The mixdown and mastering won't be as good as it will be quick, but as a souvenir of the concert it'd be pretty cool!

How is this pirating? (1)

mrjb (547783) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257921)

If these CD's are 'official' releases by the band, how does this qualify as pirating?
If the band's record companies want a slice, they better catch up with technology. Unless of course the bands have an exclusivity clause in their contract, in which case the bands probably (IANAL) can't offer this service to their public.

hmm (2, Insightful)

SnAzBaZ (572456) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257922)

How will the RIAA react to this, seeing as this is legitimizing one of the oldest forms of music pirating?

Excuse me? Bands have always sold CD's and merchendise at concerts without involvment from the record company - and many bands explicitly allow fan recordings of the concert. Is this just some shameless attempt to bring the word "RIAA" into the post to increase it's chances of getting posted?

Live too? (1)

redtail1 (603986) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257923)

The RIAA has domain over live music too? Is the musician does during the duration of the contract is property of the record company. So a recording of Dave Matthews on Letterman would be subject to the same restrictions, technically?

Recording concerts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257924)

A co-worker tapes concerts regularly, with the band's permission. He shows up early, sets up his equipment, and tapes. This is no different that how it would be "professionally" accomplished.
There shouldn't be any loss of quality, and, with CDs easy to burn on the spot, it wouldn't be that hard to setup an assembly line.
As for the RIAA, where do they come in? It's the band's music and their right to promote in whatever fashion they wish.

Big racks of CD burners? (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257925)

How long will the discs last? I know that burned CDs don't seem to be as durable as proper "pressed" ones, especially cheap blanks.

Equipment (1)

Ryu2 (89645) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257927)

Also, what kind of equipment will have to be used to produce these so fast?

Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of CD-R drives?

A CD Burner? (1)

ksheka (189669) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257929)

What other technology do you need? Save the wave file in real time, and burn at 20x, a 1 hour CD takes three minutes, right?

Phish already is doing this.. as well as others (4, Informative)

acomj (20611) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257930)

A lot of bands with a history of allowing taping (greatful dead, phish , DMB). Now phish [livephish.com] is selling all 2003 concerts. They're in both mp3 and shn formats. The SHN format costs more (more bandwidth)..

The have a good FAQ [livephish.com] which answers the age old question ...Why should I pay for when I can get an audience recording for free?

They Might Be Giants [tmbg.com] also gives away tracks on the internet. Better than the dial a song, which used to give away free songs over the phone.

Contrast this with the FooFighters annoying extra track download feature which doesn't work with Mac (Windows Media) and uses a special program which seems to check if the music cd is in the drive.. I like the band but that experience left a bad taste in my mouth.

The bottom line here is that creative bands can have alternative music distribution. This is good, unless your band is already signed, then the label can object.

How would it hurt? (1)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257931)

Record the concert on the fly, and start making CDs with some sort of mass burner. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Answers (0, Flamebait)

Clandestine Fourberi (628819) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257932)

How will the RIAA react to this, seeing as this is legitimizing one of the oldest forms of music pirating?

Why would they react badly? Most likely they're getting the typical 90% cut.

Also, what kind of equipment will have to be used to produce these so fast?

Probably CD-R's.

Will the recording process suffer due to the hurry?

Of course, and they'll have to work out the issues of some CD players not reading CD-R's as well [nytimes.com]. But I'm sure they'll be priced to correctly go along with other concert memoribilia.

No piracry implications (1)

ColdGrits (204506) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257935)

None at all as they are going to have obtained clearance for this - hell, the artists will be getting a cut from the sales anyway, so eveyone wins.

Duplication and packaging is the issue (1)

swb (14022) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257938)

Also, what kind of equipment will have to be used to produce these so fast? Will the recording process suffer due to the hurry?

Since you're recording a live event, I'd guess it doesn't take a whole lot of extra production or engineering to make a recording of the live event. Presumably these will be loops of whatever was fed to the PA with maybe a little audience miking to add ambiance.

I wonder how they plan on duplicating these so fast in the field and giving them some reasonable packaging (song lists? photos?). Even the most down-to-earth artist probably cares a little about his/her "brand image" and doesn't want to sell a CD with a photocopied insert and magic marker on the cd!

Live from the board (1)

srw (38421) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257939)

Sure the recording process will suffer, but it won't be any worse than any other concert bootleg. In fact, done right, a board tape can sound just fine. As a sound guy, I have recorded many of the shows I have mixed. Combine that with high-speed CD duplicators, and you can have CDs ready 10 minutes after the show is done. This is a great idea and I hope it works out for them.

-srw

i'm game (0)

freeefalln (541648) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257940)

like most here, i hate clear channel. and i rarely go to a show that Clear Channel supports, mostly because I dont listen to most popular bands. But this would be pretty badass and I can see it exploding.

Quality? (1)

antek9 (305362) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257941)

Why should the recording quality suffer due to instantaneous recording? Storing the audio on a HD is quite lossless, right? And where between that and writing the track unto a CD would you lose even one bit, if set up correctly?

[confused]

Why would the RIAA care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257942)

As long as the Record Company (screw the artist!) gets a royalty for each CD/tape/whatever-medium-you-like sold, then this would be a case FOR the RIAA.

Live Recording bootlegs have indeed been seen as one of the oldest forms of piracy. However, most live recordings are never released. This is one of the reasons the RIAA isn't that strictly pursuing these bootleggers. Those that purchase these tapes/CD's are only getting what they can't get anywhere else.

NOW, with LEGIT live performance CD's available, the RIAA WILL have a strong reason to go after each and every illegal recording seller. (I'm getting tired of calling these people pirates...)

Not everything we like is anti-RIAA.

at what cost? (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257943)

What I want to know is how much they had to pay for the rights, and how much of that cost is going to be passed on to the buyers. Will it cost as much as a normal album? less? MORE?

Unlikely... (1)

Noryungi (70322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257946)

I have a little bit of experience in organizing concerts, and I don't think that kind of thing is possible -- at least, not with an optimal quality.

Recording music is not easy, and recording (good) live music is twice as difficult. You have to contend with all kind of stuff that does not happen in a studio recording (audience noise, larsen possibilities, interferences, etc).

Sometimes, if the band is good and the audience having a good time, a concert can be interrupted for several minutes by applause and shouts -- things that are usually not very interesting to hear on a CD... =)

Most of these things are usually corrected once the concert is over by qualified sound engineers -- a process which can take several weeks, even with high-caliber people using good hardware -- but live music straight to CD? I don't think so.

Of course, I may be wrong, and I'll be interested in any and all rebuttals... =)

Answers (1)

Clandestine Fourberi (628819) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257948)

How will the RIAA react to this, seeing as this is legitimizing one of the oldest forms of music pirating?

Why would they react badly? Most likely they're getting the typical 90% cut.

Also, what kind of equipment will have to be used to produce these so fast?

Probably CD-R's.

Will the recording process suffer due to the hurry?

Of course, and they'll have to work out the issues of some CD players not reading CD-R's as well [nytimes.com]. But I'm sure they'll be priced to correctly go along with other concert memoribilia.

It's really up to the band.... (1)

crucible (75690) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257949)

whether live shows are allowed to be recorded and redistributed. The record company usually doesn't have any rights to the live performance recordings. The fact that Clear Channel is trying to put forth such a system shows that they're just trying to find another way to make money off the backs of the bands.

The big question here is: How much of a cut will the bands get from these live perfomance CD's? A buck, maybe two?

I wish the slashdot summery didn't suck so much... (1)

Drakonite (523948) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257950)

"Official" means that it is sanctioned. In other words, the bands have agreed to it so it's not illegal, and it should in no way violate any agreements with the RIAA since this would have to be agreed upon in advance, and I would bet a lot of money that the RIAA will end up getting a big chunk of the profits for any band associated with them that plays one of those concerts (and some smaller profits from the ones that the bands aren't with the RIAA)

A fairly good number of bands allow recordings of concerts. Metallica, the band infamous for fighting Napster, allows for concerts to be recorded by fans.

Doesn't take anything special (3, Insightful)

jarrell (545407) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257952)

All you need is a huge rack of cd-duplicator machines... You can buy boxes that you just drop the cd into the top, and a stack of 5, 10, even 20 drives immediately clone the disk. I've even seen some that clone the disk, then drop it into a disk printer. Since concerts generally have the same order, you predo the jewel case inserts, and pre silk-screen the blanks. Record off the mixing board onto a digital source, and immediately burn to a master cd, and drop that into the first duplicator. Then burn another, and drop that into the next duplicator. If you bring a truck to the concert with all that stuff pre-racked and powered, you could easily start churning out a couple of hundred cds every 15 minutes or so.

Testing (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257953)

Why there aren't any comments here?

take it off the boards, as the show is progessing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257955)

have the prelabelled CD's ready, and use one of those SCSI towers with 24 (quantity) 48x (speed) CD-R's. Or cheat, and use the previous city's show. Doesn't sound too difficult.

*Every* station? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257959)

Really?

Nice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257960)

first post!

i think it's nice.. live shows always differ from the studio albums

Legitimate Yes/No (1)

GerardM (535367) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257961)

When it is legitimate, what problem can the RIAA have. It may only be different from the way they view the world. They are an recording industry organisation, which is not to say that everyone that records is represented by this organisation. This is one aspect that they do not mention; there point is that they represent ALL of the recording industry and consequently speak for all the industry and artists.

fp? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257963)

yaaaay...

More money for the artist? (1)

haedesch (247543) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257966)

As there aren't any expensive studio costs involved and the cost of sound engineers et al were covered by the entrance tickets, would this mean that the artist would get a bigger share of the money?

I know I would (0)

plnb (579253) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257967)

I would buy a cd of nearly every concert I've gone to, I think it's a great idea.

Experience (1)

KeatonMill (566621) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257970)

I would be willing to bet the quality won't be so great. I speak from some experience. First, some background: My DVD player refuses to play CD-Rs, which I think is understandable because most of them are ripped songs from KaZaA or something. My band at school just released a CD of music this month. They had it professionally made, although I am not quite sure of the process they used. My DVD player refuses to play it. If the "professionals" spent at least a month (the band was recording in December) making the CDs, and my DVD player sees it as a CD-R, how can these guys do any better in a few minutes?

They're probably doing this with RIAA's permission (1)

Paladin128 (203968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257971)

Seriously... if a big company like ClearChannel is doing this, the RIAA has been consulted and is involved.

In all honsety, I think this is a great idea, assuming it can be done well. First, it will discourage artists that can't really sing/play instruments but rely on heavy post-production to make them sound good. Second, it's a good service to the fans. Third, if set up right, it could be a reasonable revenue stream for the artists -- and an incentive. Think about it... they're going to want to make every performance fantastic if they want the fans to buy the CD at the end of the concert.

la de da (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257972)

first post

MICHAEL YOU STUPID COCKSUCKER! FIX SLASHDOT! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5257974)

It still astounds me that some people +++PAY+++ for this fucking loser website.

Amazing Idea (1)

PepperedApple (645980) | more than 11 years ago | (#5257976)

Wow, this sounds like a really wonderful idea.

Think about it, a concert is one of the times when people are really in a money spending mood (think about how many $20 band t-shirts you have, not to mention $5 bottles of water).

People would love to be able to play the cd for their friends and go "I was there!" After a good concert I almost always go out and buy the band's new CD if I enjoyed the concert, if for no other reason than remembering the good times. I do admit that I might decide to buy the cd of the concert instead of a t-shirt, depending on how much the little angel on my shoulder yells at me for spending money (My angel is kinda bossy).

How will the RIAA react to this, seeing as this is legitimizing one of the oldest forms of music pirating?

I can't imagine the RIAA won't get it's fingers into this pie. So as long as they're getting a percentage of the revenue they should be very happy. NOt to mention, who's going to stand there with a low quality tape recorder when they can get an official CD? I believe this would decrease the number of bootleg CDs. It would also get rid of some of the justifications for sharing mp3s ("Well I can't buy a CD of the concert in stores, so why shouldn't I download it?")

This is the most innovative idea I've heard regarding CDs in a long time.
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