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Corporate Espionage Leads To Faulty Motherboards

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the cowboyneal-is-too-lazy-to-make-a-dept dept.

Hardware 254

Champs writes "If you've gotten the feeling that they really don't make 'em like they used to, you might be right. This article at IEEE Spectrum tells the story of large batches of faulty capacitors sourced from Taiwan causing motherboards to eventually fail, with an interesting twist on the reason why these capacitors failed."

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Dupe again (5, Funny)

daghlian (113201) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258847)

This story has already been posted. This story has already been posted. This story has already been posted.

Re:Dupe again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258916)

When a duplicate story appears, why do countless morons repeatedly post and re-post to point this out? What do you want, a medal for spotting this?

Re:Dupe again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258968)

Well it obviously didn't work the first time, as this is the third time the story has been posted. How many more would you like to see?

Re:Dupe again (0, Troll)

big_groo (237634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258969)

When a duplicate story appears, why do countless morons repeatedly post and re-post to point this out? What do you want, a medal for spotting this?

Re:Dupe again (3, Insightful)

azav (469988) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259004)

Because it is quite silly that the readers do a better job than the editors at spotting the dups.

One would assume that the editors/posters would read their web site before jumping the gun.

And by CB Neal no doubt! For shame! For shame!

(Zav ducks, Zav runs)

First Dupe Post!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258849)

FIRST DUPE POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your comment violated the "postercomment" compression filter. Try less whitespace and/or less repetition. Comment aborted.

Didn't we just leave this party... (4, Funny)

Reziac (43301) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258852)

.. like, two days ago, and last month too??

This storys been going around for at least 7 years (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258949)

That's the the first time I remember hearing about it.

Re:This storys been going around for at least 7 ye (3, Funny)

n9hmg (548792) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259112)

AAaahh... You must be a /. editor.

dupe (-1, Redundant)

LEPP (166342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258853)

dupe

And here I thought it was the Auto Makers... (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258854)

... who were using the planned obsolecence features.

-Rusty

Those cleaver Japanese (1)

DABANSHEE (154661) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259078)

I wonder if they intentionally sold the 'stolen' faulty capacitor formula to the Taiwanese

No Dept? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258859)

"from the dept."

Hmm, looks like CowboyNeal's 'creative humor' capacitor blew as well...

Stupid Editors Lead To Duplicate /. Articles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258862)

Film at 11.

Re:Stupid Editors Lead To Duplicate /. Articles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259011)

Film at 11 and dupe film at 12.

Re:Stupid Editors Lead To Duplicate /. Articles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259044)

Film at 11 and dupe film at 12.

Duplicate post of insightful AC comment [slashdot.org] about industrial espionage at 12:27 -ish.

Not a single person has mentioned any thing about industrial espionage.

The stolen secrets are to blame here. Incorrect materials used in the process of manufacturing, too.

You people are so damn concerend about your little REPLACABLE hardware, that you have over looked the real moral of this story.

They're all Spies!! All of them!!!

-handybundler

This couldn't possibly be about (1)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258864)

Leaky electrolytic capacitors?

Dupe indeed (-1, Redundant)

fredrikj (629833) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258866)

Previous story: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/05/232721 8&mode=thread&tid=137

You get what you pay for (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258867)

This shows that quality comes at a cost. If you truly want to get good quality goods, don't expect to keep forcing the market to make cheaper and cheaper products.

Why would a company steal a formula such as this? so they ddn't have to pay as much for the 'real deal' and then henceforth could sell at a cheaper price and undercut others. When this happens quality suffers.

It has happened in many other industries and frank, I'm surprised it hasn't yet happened in something as stressed and pushed-cheaper as the motherboard and other componentry markets.

Rampant commercialism is causing problems like this.

Re:You get what you pay for (1)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258880)

I don't think you've hit that nail on the head. I think there's a lot more to it than this simple view.

But cheapness does have part to do with it.

Re:You get what you pay for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258899)

You get what you pay for.

I don't remember paying twice...

Re:You get what you pay for (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259034)

But why would they want to steal it? I'm pretty sure that chemical analysis has advanced enough so that they can just buy a few capacitors and find what they're made from.

Could anybody explain what's the advantage of stealing a formula instead of reverse-engineering it?

Re:You get what you pay for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259054)

Blame the manufacturers. They didn't want to bother creating a domestic computer manufacturing industry, so now they just buy everything from fly-by-night companies that constantly shift in and out of existence.

Is this the whole story? (1, Interesting)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258868)

Could it be that this isn't the whole story? perhaps the blaming on motherboards failing is coming from the manufacturers

Making improper motherboards with bad/cheaper processes, and then blaming some far-down-the-line capacitor maker who can't easily be traced. What then?

It's not unknown for things to be the opposite of what they seem.

I don't know who to believe any more. I would suspect however it's more than likely with cheaper and cheaper processes and manufacturing that the normal-spec caps can't handle shoddy workmanship

Then they fail.

Are we blaming the right people?

Re:Is this the whole story? (1)

Silent_E (592458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258918)

I've been wondering that too. It makes me question the idea of "brand loyalty" that I grew up with (find a quality brand, and stick to it). But I'm not sure what to replace it with, other than old-fashioned critical thinking.

Re:Is this the whole story? (1)

dankow (462225) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259008)

How dare you try to start legitimate discussion in this thread!? Don't you know that it's reserved for saying, in as many clever ways possible, that this story's a dupe?

Re:Is this the whole story? (4, Insightful)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259042)

Buddy,

If capacitors are exploding (see the pics, they are), across multiple motherboard vendors, all of whom are desigend differently, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to recognize the trend here.

The capacitors are exploding. Vendor-independantly. Maybe you can provide some proof that cheaper and chaper processes are leading to the same capacitors exploding in many brands of motherboards .. or actually take *gasp* some news at face value instead of dreaming there's some secret "blame it on the guys' whos capacitors are exploding" consiracy.

Anyhow, the Mobo manufacturers were loathe to admit the capacitors were exploding. If it really *was* their shoddy workmanship causing faulty boards, they've hae JUMPED at the opportunity to blame it on some untracable capacitor. But the article makes it very clear that manufacturers are reluctant to say anything, making it clear to me that the common element in all these exploding capacitor situations is ... gasp, the capacitor! Not much of one to beleive in Occoms Razor, huh?

Re:Is this the whole story? (1)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259059)

Oh now you're being silly

It's well known that when overclocking, voltage needs to be increased in some cases. What about that then?

Capacitors are known to explode when they are operated out of spec. I suspect there's a big link here.

Manufacturers selling boards that are already 'pre cooked' when it comes to overclocking. Extra voltage anyone? More heat to your capacitor anyone? more likelihood of explosion anyone?

Any overclocker will tell you they do it for fun and know the risks of the process. That is fair, it is their fun and they know the cost.

Slugging normal consumers with this is rediculous and just plain stinks. There should be an Enquiry

Re:Is this the whole story? (1)

oconnorcjo (242077) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259103)

Anyhow, the Mobo manufacturers were loathe to admit the capacitors were exploding

My theory for why the companies don't want to talk about it is that it proves that buying branded products is over-rated today. It used to be that if you bought something from "good brand X", all the parts were made by the company or the company did extensive research and quality testing. But what this article is showing is that this is no longer the case. It seems MB manufacturers are putting the cheapest shit in thier product to keep cost margins down. I read that ABIT is now buying capicitors from Japan because though the Japanese are more expensive, they are more reliable. Once burned- twice shy... at least some of them are learning thier lesson. I only wish quality assurance was a philosophy instead an after thought when costomers start complaining.

No matter how many times I refresh.... (5, Funny)

Yo Grark (465041) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258870)

ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGG I'm still getting Slashdot's History Pages.

I'm stuck in Cache HELL!

Can someone tell me how to get the latest stories? :P

Yo Grark
Canadian Bred with American Buttering American Buttering American Buttering

Re:No matter how many times I refresh.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258914)

I'm impressed. This is not the second, but the third time this story has been posted. People actually pay money to read this site? I'd do better flushing 5+ bucks a month down the toilet.

Re:No matter how many times I refresh.... (2, Interesting)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258986)

Hey, if you read the story you will find that there is a new twist to it - as in why the caps failed.

graspee

Re:No matter how many times I refresh.... (2, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259037)

Hey, if you read the story you will find that there is a new twist to it - as in why the caps failed.

No, since the last time (Thursday) [slashdot.org] it referred to the same IEEE article. You're probably thinking of the time before that, in November [slashdot.org] .

Imagine (5, Insightful)

Mdog (25508) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258926)

Wouldn't it be cool if the editors of slashdot ran a professional, spellchecked site? With policies that are more than whims? I know they're just a bunch of geek morons in Michigan, but a boy can dream, can't he?

Re:Imagine (4, Funny)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258959)

CowboyNeal is actually a hip-hop DJ. This is only his day job.

Re:Imagine (1)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259030)

If you don't like it, go here [kuro5hin.org] instead. So the editors here post dupes (trips? uh..). If you don't like it, tough. There are more websites out there that do get spellchecked.

Re:Imagine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259090)

Haha, no thanks. I'd rather wade through duplicate stories than put up with the wannabe intellectualists at Kuroshin that love running their mouths. What a bunch of shitheads.

DUPE (-1, Redundant)

QuantumFTL (197300) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258872)

This is a dupe... [slashdot.org] . Maybe cowboyneal is now stealing stories from chrisd? ;)

Floppy Drives (0, Troll)

digital-959 (648698) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258873)

Maybe a similar reason is why floppy drives and media seem to have become much less durable over the years? Or perhaps we are just used to more durable things now and floppies haven't changed? Eitherway the analysis at Digital Teenz.com [digitalteenz.com] makes for interesting viewing, who would have guessed that they would come to those results?

I hate to be critical, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258876)

This is the third time you've posted this. It was a dupe the second time you posted it. Why do you keep posting it?

Re:I hate to be critical, but... (1)

baryon351 (626717) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258964)

This is the third time you've posted this

Quick - someone submit it again. see if we can't get to 4...

To all you biznitches (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258881)

How about helping the gtk guys write a proper file selector, instead of reading dupes, or you could shut the fuck up and use kde instead.

Matter Of Time (1)

sfled (231432) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258890)



So far, the only motherboard maker to admit to the problem is ABIT Computer Corp. (Taipei), and the only major PC maker to acknowledge being affected is IBM Corp. But the problem is likely to be more widespread. Indeed, those who have repaired the damaged boards say that they have encountered crippled motherboards from Micro-Star International, ASUSTek Computer, Gigabyte Technology, and others.

Nice of ABIT and IBM to come clean. And here I thought I was an idiot newbie for paying more and buying Intel mobo's to build my boxes. Or is it just a matter of time? Aaugh!

Re:Matter Of Time (1)

rnturn (11092) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258943)

I saw this IEEE article a few days ago and was concerned since I have a couple of Gigabyte motherboards. Needless to say, I was pretty disappointed to find that there was absolutely no mention of this problem on Gigabyte's web site. I'd hoped that there would be some mention of it if only a ``we are looking into the reports, etc., etc.'' type of release. Guess I'll be doing a visual inspection of the systems that have those m'boards.

leaky caps cause slahdot dupes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258891)

the dupes are caused by leaking caps in the mods memory chips...
or sumthing like that :)

so confused (2, Funny)

natefanaro (304646) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258896)

I deleted all of my temp internet files and this story still showed up! Where did I go wrong?

could this have anything to do..... (1)

Snagle (644973) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258898)

maybe if the motherboards didnt have pentiums on them...;)

So... (5, Funny)

labratuk (204918) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258900)

...if a duplicate post is a 'dupe', does that mean a triplicate post is 'tripe'?

HAHA! Mod Parent Up! (0, Offtopic)

mekkab (133181) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258951)

While you only really need one post to say DUPLICATE, I like this one because of the wit content. Tripe indeed!

the following is not a dupe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258910)

NEW YORK (AP) - That's one small step for a man, one giant saving of face for mankind.

Chess legend Garry Kasparov, still smarting after his 1997 loss to a computer, agreed to a draw in the last game of his Man vs. Machine series with Israeli chess program Deep Junior. The six-game series, sanctioned by the sport's governing body, finished 3-3.

"I had one item on my agenda today: not to lose," Kasparov said after Friday's finale. "And a draw was a good result."

He said the series' five other games and "dangerous reminiscences" of his loss to an IBM supercomputer, seen by some as a watershed moment in technological advancement, weighed heavily on his mind.

"Unlike a machine, I can't forget the five previous games," he said. "For a human player to play under such conditions, it's a terrible burden."

Kasparov played himself into a superior position but offered a draw on the 23rd move, surprising chess experts at the New York Athletic Club. Deep Junior turned down the offer but presented its own draw five moves later, and Kasparov readily accepted - to boos from the crowd.

Kasparov said he played better than Deep Junior in the deciding game and would have pressed for a win in a similar position against a human opponent. But, he said, he feared even a tiny mistake would have been severely punished by the computer.

"The machine will never collapse," he said, "but a human can never be so sure."

Kasparov, rated No. 1 by the governing body, the World Chess Federation, announced last month that he would take on Deep Junior, a computer created by two Israeli programmers that beat 18 other programs in a worldwide competition last summer.

One of Deep Junior's programmers, Shay Bushinsky, said that although the computer was challenging a human, it was no threat to humankind.

"Most chess officials feel that chess programs do benefit the game," he said.

Kasparov, widely regarded as the best chess player in history, was paid $500,000 by the World Chess Federation for playing and would have received another $300,000 had he won.

Kasparov, 39, rose to chess prominence as a Soviet junior champion in 1976, at age 12. He has held the world's No. 1 point-system ranking since 1984, despite occasional losses to humans, and has achieved almost mythic status in the chess world.

Deep Junior, which can process 3 million chess moves per second, is a three-time computer world champion and hasn't lost to a human in two years.

DUPE (1, Redundant)

man_ls (248470) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258915)

I have never posted "dupe" before, but this is the _third_ time in recent history that I've seen this story.

Don't you people ever check the current articles?

Seriously...

Re:DUPE (1)

Ballsy (104411) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259032)

I can only imagine the physical distress you're caused by having to skip over an article that you've already seen before. As it turns out, many folks have other things to do with their time than stare at (insert fav browser here) and click refresh checking out new /. stories all day.
As for the editors, shame on them for not catching a duplicate in the many thousands of stories they sift through every day in order to provide you with some reading material at no charge to you whatsoever.
Does the expression "you get what you pay for" mean anything to you?
Seriously...

OMG! (5, Funny)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258922)


hey, everyone! i don't think this is public yet, but there are some faulty capacitors going around!!!!! send this message to ten of your friends and post it everywhere or else nobody will know!!!!!!

This is happening again! (4, Funny)

Anonym0us Cow Herd (231084) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258924)

Fool me once, shame on me. ....

We should have learned our lesson about corporate espionage the first time. But now that history has repeated itself, within only a few days, I guess we didn't learn our lesson the first time here on Slashdot.

How many times will we have to have faulty motherboards and other consumer electronic items before we learn our lessons abotu corporate espionage?

Are we learning yet?

Oy! Where did the real Slashdot go? (0, Troll)

bryanbrunton (262081) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258928)

Ok, I realize that pontificating on the less than dedicated Slashdot editors is not the most worthwhile activity, but between crap reposts like this and the daily XBox post, Slashdot just plain sucks anymore.

The Slashdot Editors are a bunch of two faced, idiotic morons. I can't take it anymore: I'm off to finally look at the options here for filtering out XBox crap. Can you filter stories by editor? I'd prefer to never read another word written by CmdrDipshit again.

This is a dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258930)

From 2 days ago:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/05/ 232721 8&mode=nested&tid=137

From November:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/1 1/04/175121 0&mode=thread

Is this the first time something has been posted 3 times? Does this make this one a trupe? Or maybe a tripe?

More info from the guy who changes the caps (5, Informative)

sapgau (413511) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258932)

Gary Headlee is the guy mentioned in the article who has more information on the list of boards affected:
Motherboard Cap Replacement [att.net]

Chinese et al are thieves (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258934)

Multiple chinese natives are busted for spying in the Silicon Valley.

Cisco is dealing with a Chinese company that flat out stole it's software.

Software piracy is rampant in the third world.

And yet, our corporations in their all knowingness replace american workers with foreigners who quickly secret out trade secrets.

And yet, our corporations in their all knowingness move important operations offshore - operations with american credit information, customer information, and YOUR information.

This is going to blow up in our faces - but it won't be the government's problem, it won't be the company's problem - it will be your problem when your identity is stolen from your very own bank records and you need to clean up the mess.

It will be your problem when you try to get service from a company for a product you purchased (whether real or a "financial instrument.")

Already I have heard of Indian programmers causing people trouble when they loose a contract - mailing virus's and shit to the company's email server or attempting to cause damage.

Lets face it, there is a whole different set of morals over there - a whole different idea of what is right to do, and what is wrong to do. Are they poor because of the political and social decisions they make? Or because "America, the man, is keepin us down!" Or maybe because they have no concept of capitalism, no concept of win-win, no concept of value.

American business is going to learn this the hardway.

A whole bold new marketplace? No. Steal our ideas, steal our technologies, and build up products to sell at home. And they will tariff or ignore our products (aka see how they hate MS because it is not-built-there, among more valid reasons.)

Re:Chinese et al are thieves (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259036)

That is why the smart money is going into nearshore outsourcing, "nearshore" being Canada. Canadians speak English, work harder than Americans for less money, are more law abiding and very much less violent. Canada has cities and transportation infrastructures that haven't been allowed to decay, unlike in America where cheapass taxpayers don't mind if their city turns into a jungle if it will save them $100/month. Canada also has telephone and internet services that are as good as if not better than those in the USA. Canada doesn't have greedy corporations running its health care, so it costs less and covers everybody.


America is as obsolete as a rusted out 1976 Ford LTD; come to Canada.

Re:Chinese et al are thieves (2, Interesting)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259083)

Steal our ideas, steal our technologies, and build up products to sell at home.

Yes, that's exactly what the US did. Look a little into what US companies did in the 19th C, when its companies stole industrial processes, published books, from European countries without permission or compensation.

Only when it had caught up and started to produce IP that it wanted to sell did it start to make and enforce such laws, and now of course uses massive pressure to force other, poor, countries into line.

Lets face it, there is a whole different set of morals over there - a whole different idea of what is right to do, and what is wrong to do.

As for "morality", the US is such an example of self interest in its relations with the rest of the world, that only your countrymen could keep a straight face when you mention it.

ENOUGH (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258947)

I am sick of this. Evertime there is a dupe(a mistake! sometimes people make these) there is always the obligatory barrage of "DUPE" messages and never any discussion of the issue.
Get over it and find something constructive to do!

Re:ENOUGH (1)

chrisseaton (573490) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258955)

We've already crapping discussed it twice!!! What more is there to say!!!

Re:ENOUGH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258962)

Just ignore it then! Some of missed it and may like to see views on the topic. Does derision give you a rush?

Re:ENOUGH (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258984)

Punching you in the face would give me a rush.

Re:ENOUGH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258995)

Nice! You are probably a coward that never do anything if we actually met.
HEHE!

Re:ENOUGH (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259006)

I would kick your fucking arse.

Re:ENOUGH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259020)

Where do you live? I live in California!! I'll tell you a town if you tell me. Lets get it on!

Re:ENOUGH (1)

chrisseaton (573490) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259031)

I live in Winchester in England, but that won't stop me from getting to you.

Re:ENOUGH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259040)

This fun! I live in San Diego. Let's get some tea!

Hi. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259055)

Come visit my hometown [goatse.cx] in California!

Re:Hi. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259074)

HAHAHAHA! Sweet! Looks infected.

Re:ENOUGH (3, Funny)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258963)

I am sick of this. Evertime there is a dupe(a mistake! sometimes people make these) there is always the obligatory barrage of "DUPE" messages and never any discussion of the issue.
Get over it and find something constructive to do!


You mean like bitching about the dupe messages?

deja vu? (1)

Bruha (412869) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258950)

Anywho I have a MSI KT7 Ultra MB that's buring out power supplies. I've put it in my collection of old computer crap but I'm wondering if i'm a victim. However I dont see any problems with the capacitors and just chalk it up to a bad voltage regulator on the board.

Just like George Costanza (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258970)

I get a second chance to use this great comment I had thought up the day after I saw this story. I'm a little torn though, should I take the time to refine it for the next time Slashdot posts this or just shoot my load? No, best to strike while the iron is hot!

Hey, maybe they should pour some GATORADE on those sumbitches, it speeds electrolytes to the areas that need it, giving your computer the energy it needs to dominate whatever opponent stands in it's way.

$$

Well, it's finally happened... (1)

ActiveSX (301342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258974)

Slashdot has gone bureaucratic on us and is filing stories in trip [slashdot.org] li [slashdot.org] cate [slashdot.org] .

My bad! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258976)

This is a FUCKING repost [slashdot.org] . This was TWO DAYS FROM NOW. Can't you people running this damn site, these donkeyfucking-shiteating people, remember WHAT they did TWO fucking days ago? Nobody demands too much, but you should be able to remember that. It's not that kind of hard.

Or is it, that you don't even read your own site?

I repeat: TWO DAYS AGO. You should meet with your physician and check for mad cow disease.

Too bad even the warmongers are posting old and duplicate bullshit [timesonline.co.uk] now, is this a new hype in US this month?

This Issue Can Be Deadly With Aircraft Parts (5, Informative)

mrs clear plastic (229108) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258988)

This story reminds me of the years when I
was in aerospace.

Poorly constructed counterfeit parts have
been an issue within aerospace for years.
Counterfeit aircraft parts made from stolen
drawings.

Even worse were defective parts, bought for a
song from a legitimate manufacturer or airline,
cleaned and polished up a little, and then
sold back into 'the system' as new parts.

In aerospace, unlike most desktop computer
use, this scam can and has been deadly.

Mark

Re:This Issue Can Be Deadly With Aircraft Parts (4, Informative)

gmajor (514414) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259081)

Wow, one site says that the aircraft industry "has estimated that as much as $2 billion in unapproved parts are now sitting on the shelves of parts distributors, airlines, and repair stations." I'm quite surprised at the magnitude of that problem, and it seems to dwarf the current mobo problem.

Now if only we could throw the offenders in jail, just like they do to people selling faulty airplane parts...

(fyi, the site was at http://www.jdmag.wpafb.af.mil/bogus%20parts.pdf )

'91 Student's paper == Classified "evidence" '03 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5258989)

And this time, we got some real proof [timesonline.co.uk] . Now going back to the bomb shelter.

HP Vectra (1)

big_groo (237634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5258990)

Out client has 9000+ HP Vectra VLI8s and we've had to replace *many* motherboards on those.

This started for us about 1 year ago.

Not sure if it's related or not. (Who really cares - they're under warranty anyway.)

Corporate Espionage Leads to Duplicate Posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259002)

Research has recently uncovered a nefarious scheme in which competing online communities have infiltrated Slashdot and are causing duplicate postings. The result of this espionage is an endless or replies pointing out the duplicate, drowning out all the interesting articles.

In a related story it has been discovered that a similar, but independent, infiltration effort millions of humorous replies are being moderated up to 5 thus eliminating any chance of readers finding useful information.

Baby Jesus (1)

TheMightyZog (228867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259003)

Everytime a /. editor posts a dupe it makes the baby jesus cry.

How to Prevent Dupes (or Tripes?) (1)

mraymer (516227) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259009)

Go to your slashdot preferences, and disable stories from all editors except your favorite one. That seems to stop dupes, unless of course one of the editors actually posts something that he has posted before... ;)

Nothing is more frustrating... (1)

SgtXaos (157101) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259014)

Than having Moderation points and yet having no way to mod an entire story "-1 Redundant". Maybe overall story moderation could be included in the next rev of Slashcode?

So many dupe stories lately, I feel like Bill Murray.
Sheesh!

Dupe detector (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259019)

How hard would it be to include some sort of dupe detector into slashcode? It could perhaps compare subjects, keywords, and links in say, the past two months' worth of Slashdot articles. It would then present a short list of these potentially duplicate articles to the person posting the story, who could then look through that list to see if what they want to post has in fact been posted before. Sure, it would miss some dupes, no doubt, but I think it would reduce the overall number of dupes.

Automatic detection + Manual effort == Teh Goodness.

Then put your little hand in mine... (1)

OpCode42 (253084) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259025)

Babe! I got you babe!

Its Groundhog Day again at slashdot!

Oh no! (4, Funny)

Lurkingrue (521019) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259027)

Oh, no! Its a glitch in the Matrix!

Oh, wait -- its just standard Slashdot re-posting. Whew!

Corporate Espionage Leads to Dupicate Posts (0, Redundant)

baywulf (214371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259061)

Champs writes "If you've gotten the feeling that they really don't make 'em like they used to, you might be right. This article at Slashdot tells the story of large batches of duplicate posts sourced from Slashdot editors causing readers to go in a tizzy, with an interesting twist on the reason why these editors failed."

THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED (0, Troll)

The_Real_MrRabbit (541342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259063)

ThIs HaS aLrEaDy BeEn PoStEd! tHiS hAs AlReAdY bEeN pOsTeD! Ban the poster!!! Ostracize him!!! (Not me though...) =8-)

Set for Auto Dupe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259066)

Slashcode has new features...

Dupe-Reporters Harken Unto Me (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5259071)

I and countless others are getting fed up with all the "this is a dupe" reporters out there.

I have two questions for you. Are you paying money for slashdot? Are you submitting plenty of original articles to slashdot yourself? If the answer's no and no (and it probably is since you have all the time in the world to go looking for the old links to the reposted stories), then either shut the fsck up or go start your own forum.

There are three kinds of intelligence. The first is those who just sort of go along ignoring everything. The second are those who criticize everything. But the third, and best, are those who create something at the risk of being criticized...like the people who run slashdot.

That makes them smarter then you so, again, if you notice a dupe...fine...notice it and then shut the fsck up and go masturbate over some pr0n or something.

Faulty Capacitors on CowboyNeal (1, Redundant)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259077)

This may have resulted in the duplicate post. Slashdot engineers are investigating. . .

what next? (0)

Festering Leper (456849) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259080)

capacitors with capton insulation?

one spark and you've got a roman candle :)

Dupe extravaganza (1)

agdv (457752) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259084)

I think I figured out the trolls' new game:
1)submit stories that have already been posted, so that they will be accepted and re-posted.
2)Sit back and watch all the "dupe" posts and laugh.
3) Profit?

Otherwise, this is truly pathetic.

Suggestion (1)

Trygve (75999) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259086)

So I can understand how an editor might easily overlook a duplicate story, but a triplicate -- and so closely following the last instance -- suggests a lack of effort.

Could the editors employ some tools to help them watch for such slip-ups? Just logging the URL's previous stories have linked to, and warning if it sees them again would eliminate a number of the simple cases like this one (though there will be a number of false positives for links just pointing at a domain like cnet.com). But it's still a start, and could easily be refined to grow in accuracy over time.

Shoddy all around (1)

whereiswaldo (459052) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259099)

Zogbi cites tests by Japanese manufacturers that indicate the capacitor's lifetimes are half or less of the 4000 hours of continuous ripple current they are rated for.

4000 hours = 166.6 days. No wonder "Made in Taiwan" has such negative connotations.

Looks sparse. How about an OT (clean) joke? (1)

MickLinux (579158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5259100)

Okay, what do you get when you cross a mountain climber with a flu virus?

[Answer one level below]
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