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Locutus Preview Released

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the borg-nanoprobes dept.

The Internet 260

An anonymous reader writes "FreeNet's Ian Clarke has released the preview version of his latest P2P endeavor Locutus. Aimed at the corporate world, Locutus adds encryption to the mix - new for a P2P client - to secure files traded across the network as well as the ability to scan within text files to improve search results. Locutus Lite is the free version for those who are more concerned with trading movies and tunes. Locutus Enterprise is the pay version that Clarke hopes to lure corporations to shell out money for (for secure trading of research and other documents). Those interested in trying the preview can download it here."

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simpler solution for trading research (4, Insightful)

macshune (628296) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268942)

it's called e-mail with PGP.

Need simple solution for Penis stuck inside mom (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269006)

any suggestions appreciated

Re:Need simple solution for Penis stuck inside mom (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269063)

Superglue next time?

This has got to be the worst idea... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269018)

...since Greedo fired first.

Re:simpler solution for trading research (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269086)

Surely the best way for trading research would be with E-bay?

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268945)

Never done this before

Well FPers get a dick up the ass. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268965)

It's tradition. Bend over.

Locutus (3, Funny)

trotski (592530) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268952)

This is Locutus of P2P You will be assimilated, resistance is futile!

Thank you, Master Of The Obvious Joke. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268985)

Yeah.

You know what? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269186)

You know what I'm surprised at?

Ian Clarke, who's obviously a smart fellow, decided to further Microsoft's .NET cause and not pick something that could be ported on variety of operating systems, other than Windows.

Dumb move. This project will fail just like Freenet did.

Are you reading this Ian? Fuck you, for not supporting OSS. Here's a newsflash: Linux also has commercial apps. You'll make your money eventually. I won't be installing this shitty fucking app because I refuse to install .NET anywhere on my Win2k machine.

Can you imagine... (-1)

Patrick Bateman (175284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268953)

... a Beowulf cluster of these?

Thank you.

who would pay for this? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268955)

Seriously, why would anyone buy another application when they already have http and ftp sites, e-mail, etc? Most "research" isn't widely in demand enough to warrant the distribution model of p2p.

Re:who would pay for this? (1, Insightful)

Elbereth (58257) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269132)

p2p is ftp for idiots.

Who knows. Maybe there are a lot of idiots in management.

Wrong (3, Insightful)

Sanity (1431) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269189)

Think about it - how much time do most information workers spend looking for information? Some estimate about two hours per day, and over 80% of information in the Enterprise is located on user's hard disks - not on web or ftp sites.

This is the market Locutus is going after.

Who's on first? (-1, Offtopic)

aquarian (134728) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268958)

Nyeah nyeah!

Why trade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268960)

Why would I want files on my computer that are of no use to me? Personaly I don't see why companys would pay for this, why not just use NFS, or FTP or even a webpage. P2P works off demand, not of this random need to swap (anyone over 14 that is).
-James

star trek (-1, Offtopic)

nempo (325296) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268966)

Insert star trek joke here.

How bout I insert IN YOUR MOTHER'S ASS!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268974)

fuck it!!!

Yes. Fuck it (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268987)

That's your answer to everything. Isn't it, Mr. Lebowski?

My advice, get a job sir.

My job is FUCKING YOUR MOM!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268999)

fuck that cunt.

This . . . (-1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269085)

is the single best post on Slashdot all year. And I am dead serious about that. I had more fun laughing at this post than the lame-assed obvious locutus of borg assimilation joke some dillweed posted further up the thread. Trolls should be modded up every time they post. Everyone else should be run off the site.

Good plan (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268968)

That's the way to guarantee real-world corporate interest, all right - name it after a lame geeky Star Trek reference.

And not even old series Star Trek that some of the upper management might at least feel nostalgia for.

In Soviet Russia... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268980)

We had plan to subvert and assimilate corporate west with appealing "LeninUS" software - then stupid Star Trek series ruined plan with poor "Borg" metaphor. Iron curtain fell shortly thereafter.

In Soviet Russia, we fuck YOU!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269033)

Fuck

This is great! (1)

cra (172225) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268970)

Now the "movie stealers" can swap pirate movies without anybody finding out! I bet the big movie companies will have a look into this. . .

great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5268971)

> Locutus Lite is the free version for those who are more concerned with trading movies and tunes.

Yeah, right, that's the ticket for gaining credibility.

First one's free.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269146)

Funny cigarettes for you little boys...funny pills for you little girls...and funny little photos for all of us together...come on, the first one's free....

Microsoft.. (5, Interesting)

anubi (640541) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268982)

I think this is one of the things that peeve me so much about their "improvements"... from the Locutus site mentioned...

The application is only 400k in size, but many users will notice that the download is over 20MB. This is because Locutus relies on Microsoft's .NET framework, and if a user doesn't have .NET they will automatically download a version of the installer that does.

Damm!

Locutus does look nifty though in that the files can be shared encrypted.. I take it that one must pass muster to even look at the filenames though.. otherwise what difference is it from sharing files already encrypted with pgp or similar...

Re:Microsoft.. (4, Funny)

Forgotten (225254) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268994)

Well, that explains the name.

Re:Microsoft.. (-1, Troll)

anubi (640541) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269057)

Warning.. RANT MODE ON !

I know I am not supposed to be replying to my own post, dammit, but the more I think of this, even more I get pissed.

I know this is off topic and we are supposed to be discussing Locutus.. but this thing in the article I read just bugs me to no friggen end. And I will sacrifice karma if necessary to vent in public, but I feel its something I gotta do.

Here we are, facing a world where bandwidth is at a premium, and viral infections are running rampant, and we code some application that takes 20 MEGAbytes of loader to transfer a 400K File? C'mon! Is there any common sense left in programming any more?

If this is one of the wonders the .NET world is bringing us, is there any hope that when things do go wrong, we will have any hope in hell of finding it? Geez, its worse than cars,,, open up the hood and its full of twisty turny little passages that go everywhere, thoroughly obfuscating what is supposed to be a simple elegant function.

What in the hell is going on here?!???!

Let me now turn my PARANOIA MODE = ON.

I am really beginning to wonder, folks, if the "big guys" are coding this stuff in such a manner as to hide "bugs" which are being placed in code *on purpose* so that later the company can commandeer that machine. If somebody finds the bug, then they will release a patch... so they make humongous code so it will be very difficult, if not impossible to find all the "bugs".

It was noted in an earlier story here on slashdot about our government's role in planning "cyber attacks" on other governments. Is this some plan for planting the seeds for cyber-attacks on anyone using these systems? If so, just who knows about it. You know how insecure security through obscurity is... and there is no telling that someone you did not think knew about something did indeed know about it, but just did not use his little "ace up his sleeve" until just the moment he could pull it off and do the most harm.

I mean 20 Megabytes of code just to load something? Just what in God's Green Earth do we need with a 20 MEGABYTE loader?!!?! The more complicated we make something, the more things there is to go bad. Damm, does Microsoft value a coder by his weight?

Forgive the rant, fellas, I am just pissed at what I see happening here, and I only want to run my indignation up the flagpole to see if anyone else is getting as pissed as I over it. I know I am not supposed to use such blunt words as 'pissed', but then I am trying to accurately indicate the position I am in.

Re:Microsoft.. (5, Insightful)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269073)

Here we are, facing a world where bandwidth is at a premium, and viral infections are running rampant, and we code some application that takes 20 MEGAbytes of loader to transfer a 400K File? C'mon! Is there any common sense left in programming any more?

Just like the ~20 megabytes you need if you download a Java application. Its called a runtime environment. It consists of the virtual machine that runs .NET code, plus all the APIs/libraries that go along with such. It is a one time download and then you can run any .NET application. Future versions of Windows will have the .NET framework pre-installed.

All in all you're making a whole lot of noise for nothing. This is absolutely no different than the "bloat" one has to endure to download Perl if one wants to run Perl scripts, Python for Python scripts, or the Java Runtime Environment for Java programs. As with all of those situations it either a one time download, or no worries at all if it is preinstalled in the OS (which will be the case for .NET moving forward). The only difference is this is Microsoft, so you're quick to bash them because you're an ignorant asshole.

Re:Microsoft.. (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269202)

Just like the ~20 megabytes you need if you download a Java application.

Except that the Java runtime isn't 20 megabytes, but 10, and that's the international version of 1.4.1 - most applications can get by on the 8 megs download for 1.3.1.

The .Net runtime is large mostly because of its support for multiple languages, a problem that Java avoids.

Re:Microsoft.. (1)

anubi (640541) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269214)

Thanks, Mr. Fancypants.

I stand corrected. I plead ignorance.

I thought this 20 megabyte thing was Microsoft's version of a loader.

Being I am an old DOS guy who used to store things on 360K floppy disks ( and it took sometimes weeks of work to fill one of those with decent code )... the thought of 20 megabytes sent me through the roof. ( The DOS kernel - COMMAND COM 54,619 09-30-93 6:20a )

I've just seen so much stuff come out of that company I considered bloatware, and everyone just seemed to take it with a grain of salt and move on. To me, this one just seemed to take the cake. I work mostly with robots using assembler codes on Motorola 68K processors. I have yet to fill up a pair of 27C512 with code, and often have to use all sorts of code and hardware debuggers in tandem to isolate trouble spots at the register/interface level. There's where my alarm on file size springs from.

Re:Microsoft.. (2, Insightful)

Shippy (123643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269076)

Uh, it's a ONE TIME DOWNLOAD! Once you download the .NET framework once, you can run any .NET application. If they install it by default, you complain about bloat. If they give it as a separate download, you whine about big downloads. You have to do the same thing if you're going to run a Java app. You have to do a big 15MB JVM download to run a 200k Java app. Same idea...

why another run time, then? (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269107)

The point being why do we need another run time, when we already have more than enough. That is a rhetorical question, so don't bother waving the .net flag in my face, thanks.

If it's on slashdot... (4, Funny)

Velocity4 (183357) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268984)

Hey, If it's on slashdot, think how many geeks will be using it. And what do geeks have? Yes, they have it all. Warez, Mp3s, and.. yes, that too.

I'm checking it out. Are you?

+No spyware, woohoo! I would like it if it could hack into the kazaa network thought.

Locutus Preview? (4, Funny)

dupper (470576) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268986)

Q Who?

(Score:-1, Trekkie/Obscure)

What's wrong with other tools? (5, Interesting)

oingoboingo (179159) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268990)

Locutus Enterprise is the pay version that Clarke hopes to lure corporations to shell out money for (for secure trading of research and other documents).

Maybe I'm missing a point somewhere here...what's wrong with centralised file/document servers, or groupware like Notes, GroupWise or Exchange for sharing documents and research within a company? Why P2P? Will we look back at these stories in a couple of years and think the same way about them as we now do with stories about 'Java applications storming the desktop', 'Push applications redefining the way we work on the net', or 'Debian releases new version before 2025'?

Re:What's wrong with other tools? (3, Interesting)

Sanity (1431) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269207)

what's wrong with centralised file/document servers?
How much of the average knowledge worker's output gets uploaded to centralized file servers or websites? Over 80% of a corporation's data still resides on their employee's desktop computers - and as was demonstrated by Napster, P2P is very good indeed when it comes to searching desktop PCs.
Will we look back at these stories in a couple of years and think the same way about them as we now do with stories about...
...or 'Web to revolutionize the way we look for information' - hmmmm, perhaps some buzzwords do live up to the hype.

Re:What's wrong with other tools? (1)

oingoboingo (179159) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269227)

How much of the average knowledge worker's output gets uploaded to centralized file servers or websites?

We have a fairly simple solution to that problem where I work (apart from all the usual lectures from the sysadmin staff about saving work onto the file servers etc etc)...only install 4GB drives into the desktops. After you've installed Windows and a few key apps, there isn't too much space left over for any data. I guess you could fake it out with larger hard drives by only making a very small partition and leaving the majority of the drive unpartitioned (and thus unavailable to the average non-admin/root user).

Another 20MB. (4, Funny)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268995)

The application is only 400k in size, but many users will notice that the download is over 20MB. This is because Locutus relies on Microsoft's .NET framework, and if a user doesn't have .NET they will automatically download a version of the installer that does.

For some reason, that paragraph really cracked me up...

--naked [slashdot.org]

Re:Another 20MB. (5, Informative)

gutier (129597) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269051)

I for one am extremely happy with the .NET framework. It is a comprehensive box of functionality that all .NET applications can make use of. Many useful applications I've written in .NET have been under 200K in size. Comparable programs I've written in Linux are all over 200K in size. This is after having to deal with the incredible mash of libraries that simply don't work well together. Why? Well, how about the amazing number of reimplementations of method pointers, having to deal with C++ libraries and C libraries and woes arising thereof, exceptions in some libraries and return codes in others, all different kinds of naming conventions and the bazillion mappings of this over that.

I've found that programming in .NET is actually a lot like programming in Python (a nice language and a clean, integrated box of functionality, and NOT like Perl/CPAN with for all the same Linux-related reasons again ... ). Given .NET's intended domain (which is Windows software running on Windows), it is very well done.

Let's give up the religious dogma, emotional outbursts and reactivity, and evaluate it objectively. Objective evaluation of a complete situation is what they really tried to teach you in college.

Eat a dick (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269129)

Troll.

No you're not a troll because you have some *different* opinion on things, you have a *bullshit* opinion on things.

Niceness and cleanliness have nothing to do with functionality. It's like an elected official being for education.

I doubt you've written any comparable programs for Linux since you seem to think you wrote them in Linux.

Given your post's intended domain, trolling pro-M$ while waning psuedo-intellectual, it is very well done. Even got the mods fooled.

Keep your clean bs in it's intended domain. I'll keep using Practical solutions.

Re:Another 20MB. (4, Insightful)

Forgotten (225254) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269130)

Well, there's always another level to a complete appraisal. Many people object to .Net because promulgating it furthers goals of Microsoft's which they object to. That's a perfectly reasonably objection, and by that yardstick your observation that it works well for some purposes is largely irrelevant.
Don't assume that mere dogma underlies every opinion opposed to yours.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269136)

That's a much nicer way to say what I wrote here [slashdot.org] .

happy is as happy does (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269140)

Teach in College? You mean practices like not re-inventing the wheel? We have enough runtimes on hand now. Loading something from MS seems to only please the MS faithful. Windows software on Windows? You mean like Ford gasoline in a Ford Car? Or GE electricity surging into a GE microwave? Or... Your decry is hardly objective. Save me the cup of kool aid...

Re:Another 20MB. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269147)

Wow, two highly moderated .NET evangelists before the 20th post. What's going on at Microsoft?

Re:Another 20MB. (1)

grazzy (56382) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269197)

omg, this has to be a troll?

did you link your 200k+ programs in linux staticlly then or what?

and i dont think "hello world" counts as a very good example of "method pointers", nor i belive its a incredible mash of libraries.

wrong icon (-1, Troll)

ubugly2 (454850) | more than 11 years ago | (#5268997)

shouldn't this be with the microsoft icon?

Re:wrong icon (1)

Shippy (123643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269035)

No, because this isn't directly related to Microsoft. If it was "Microsoft Locutus" and it was their venture into the p2p market, then it would prolly warrant that icon. It just happens to run on Windows.

Re:wrong icon (1)

ubugly2 (454850) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269044)

you should notice that the icon for microsoft is bill gates as a borg,that is what i was refering to..

...and this modified tag line (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269192)

"...those interested in trying the preview, (windows only... .net required) can download it here."

military grade! (2, Funny)

Mr Foot (596500) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269001)

The commercial version of Locutus, Locutus Enterprise, will enforce "military grade" encryption over all files shared.

Locutus Enterprise (4, Funny)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269007)

Didn't Locutus try to destroy Enterprise? And Enterprise tried to destroy Locutus too. Hrmmm... Sleep Data, sleep...

No pr0n? (0, Troll)

Velocity4 (183357) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269009)

I noticed when I was setting it up that it only adds the file extensions of .doc .htm .html .mp3 .ppt and .txt - Does this mean no movies/wares?

Also, Amazing, I just did a search for pr0n (spelt correctly)... and nothing turned up! Jeez slashdotters, you guys arn't what you used to be...

Re:No pr0n? (1)

anubi (640541) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269088)

Hehehe... Just rename your *.warez (whatever it is ) to *.ppt and transfer it. Let the people you are trying to share with know the filename.

Let the **AA people read and poke through every .ppt file on the net. It'll build character.

so in essence.... (2, Insightful)

zogger (617870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269010)

....so in essence the good part is, this is an easy to set up secure WAN with restricted users and groups.

The bad part could be you have to be "microsoft dot netted".

hmmmmm

Re:so in essence.... (1)

Shippy (123643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269056)

I'm sure as soon as the Mono [go-mono.com] project gets far along enough you'll be able to run it under Linux, FreeBSD, etc. That's the whole goal of Mono, to provide an open-source version of the .NET common language runtime environment so it can run on other systems. This is actually something Microsoft touts as a benefit of .NET -- portability. Except, in their eyes, you write one piece of software and it runs on WinXP, WinCE, Win64, etc.

Re:so in essence.... (1)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269144)

Shippy, before you go spouting off about how it's not so bad as we do have Mono available, will you please read their fucking website? Jeezus, dude, the developer states explicitly that Locutus will not be an open-source app. There goes your portability. It's windoze, and only windoze.

so, there's a new soundbite (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269162)

...not be an open-source app... = Windows only. ...duh...

open: good
closed: bad

Billyborg (0, Troll)

anagama (611277) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269023)

The application is only 400k in size, but many users will notice that the download is over 20MB. This is because Locutus relies on Microsoft's .NET framework, and if a user doesn't have .NET they will automatically download a version of the installer that does.

Go figure - Locutus only works with Windows.

Re:Billyborg (1)

gimpimp (218741) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269037)

there's always mono. i haven't read much on the site, but if they make an api available, then someone could make a nix port.

Re:Billyborg (2, Informative)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269152)

According to the locutus faq [locut.us] , the developers will not be releasing source to the app. Doesn't look like they're interested in ports.

Re:Billyborg (1)

nitehorse (58425) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269217)

According to MicroSoft, anyone who implements the .NET interpreter will be able to run .NET software.

Therefore, despite their refusal to release source, they might end up being portable anyway.

Kind of like StarCraft works on Linux (through wine), even though Blizzard will never write a Linux version.

Closed source doesn't necessarily mean that the application will ONLY run on one OS. Keep that in mind.

.NET paragraph (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269047)

How [slashdot.org] many [slashdot.org] people [slashdot.org] will cutnpaste this paragraph?

The application is only 400k in size, but many users will notice that the download is over 20MB. This is because Locutus relies on Microsoft's .NET framework, and if a user doesn't have .NET they will automatically download a version of the installer that does.

automatic? Not in this case. What a waste of time (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269126)

"You appear to be using Windows NT 4 without .Net. Unfortunately we do not support Windows NT 4 at this time, although we are working hard to expand the range of supported Operating Systems."

Why not work hard to support an operating system with a future...anything but Windows.

Re:Billyborg (1)

toriver (11308) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269209)

Well, according to some pro-MS guy who finds it in his heart to hang around on comp.lang.java.advocacy, .Net exists for the same platforms as Java - so it should be cross-platform.

Unless he was lying, of course.

FAQ (3, Informative)

Mdog (25508) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269024)

(Site slashdotted)

1 General
1.1 What is Locutus?
Locutus is a .Net application that will allow you to search for files on your hard disk and on other people's shared folders on your LAN, and on the Internet as a whole.
1.2 Why is Locutus a 20MB download?
In fact, Locutus itself is only about 400k in size, however it relies on Microsoft's .NET framework. Not everyone has a version of Windows which includes .NET, and so if you try to download Locutus and don't have .NET you will automatically download a version of the installer which includes it. The next time you upgrade Locutus, or any other .NET software, you will find that the download is much smaller. You can find out whether you have .NET by visiting the Downloads page.
1.25 Why is slashdot so fucking retarded?
It's because people aren't aware that the editors are facist morons. Read ths signature for this post and find out more.
1.3 I've installed it - now what?
When you run Locutus, you should see a discrete search box at the bottom right of your screen. You can enter search terms into this box, and Locutus will search your computer, along with the shared directories of other Locutus users on your LAN. The more of your co-workers that use Locutus, the more useful it will be, so email them now and direct them to http://locut.us/!
1.4 What is the difference between Locutus and other P2P applications?
There are a number of important differences:

* Detailed file analysis
Most P2P applications just search on the basis of a filename or superficial data about the files being searched. Locutus will scan documents in their entirity, extracting significant keywords - using technology similar to that used by web search engines.
* Scalable and efficient search algorithm
Locutus employs a sophisticated decentralized search algorithm which can rapidly search tens or hundreds of thousands of computers in a very short space of time, and without any reliance on inefficient "broadcast" searches, or fragile "ultrapeers". This effeciency dramatically reduces Locutus' bandwidth requirements relative to more conventional P2P applications.
* Strong security model
With most P2P apps, you are either sharing a file or you are not - and often you can accidentally end up sharing files that you didn't intend to share. Locutus allows finer control over who can search which folders on your computer, and in the upcoming Enterprise release, will enforce this security using military-grade encryption.

1.5 What is the difference between Locutus and a web Search Engine?
Web search engines only search information publicly available on the Internet, and they do so in a totally centralized manner. Locutus can search the hard-disks of desktop PCs (within constraints defined by the PC's user) in a completely decentralized manner. Locutus doesn't require that a server be set up - you just download, install, and you can start using it immediately!
2 Using Locutus
2.1 Does Locutus allow others to see my private files?
No! Locutus will only allow others to search for files in shared directories on your computer, or files that you have deliberately placed in the Locutus shared folder on your desktop.
2.2 Will Locutus slow down my computer?
While the built-in Windows indexing service is well-known for slowing down the user's computer, Locutus is much more careful about its resource usage. Initially Locutus does need to create an index of your hard-disk, however once this is done, Locutus is careful only to reindex files when necessary (ie. when they change, or when a new file is created). In practice, Locutus doesn't have any negative effect on system performance once the initial indexing is complete - you won't even know its there.
3 Microsoft's .Net
3.1 What is .Net and why does Locutus need it? .Net is, at its core, an attempt to standardize the way that software applications communicate with the underlying Operating System. .Net was developed by Microsoft, and at the time of writing is only available for Windows, however .Net has been embraced by some in the Linux community who are working on Open Source versions of .Net such as Mono. Once finished, these will allow Locutus to run on non-Microsoft operating systems.
3.2 I heard that .Net can compromise your privacy - is this true?
There was some controversy over a Microsoft product called "Passport" which Microsoft marketed under the .Net banner - however Passport is not required by Locutus, and is not included in the Locutus installer.

We value our privacy, and respect yours. We would never ask you to install anything that we wouldn't install on our own computers.
4 Business Model
4.1 Many P2P applications include Spyware - what about Locutus?
No, Locutus does not include any advertising, nor will it install any third-party advertising or data-collection software.
4.2 If not advertising, what is your business model?
We plan to give Locutus Prototype and Locutus Lite (available late January 2003) for free. Those who require enhanced security or other features will have the opportunity to purchase Locutus Enterprise when it is released in March 2003.
4.3 Who do I contact if I am interested in a business relationship with Cematics LLC?
Cematics is a young and flexible company, and are always on the look-out for new collaboration opportunities. If you are interested in a business relationship with Cematics LLC, please email our business development group at bizdev@locut.us.
4.4 Will Locutus be released as Open Source software?
While we are big fans of Open Source software, we do not feel that there is a viable business model for us that would allow us to release Locutus as Open Source. We will, however, be developing ways that third-party software developers can write software which integrates with Locutus.
Index

1 General
1.1 What is Locutus?
1.2 Why is Locutus a 20MB download?
1.3 I've installed it - now what?
1.4 What is the difference between Locutus and other P2P applications?
1.5 What is the difference between Locutus and a web Search Engine?

2 Using Locutus
2.1 Does Locutus allow others to see my private files?
2.2 Will Locutus slow down my computer?

3 Microsoft's .Net
3.1 What is .Net and why does Locutus need it?
3.2 I heard that .Net can compromise your privacy - is this true?

4 Business Model
4.1 Many P2P applications include Spyware - what about Locutus?
4.2 If not advertising, what is your business model?
4.3 Who do I contact if I am interested in a business relationship with Cematics LLC?
4.4 Will Locutus be released as Open Source software?
Copyright © 2003 Cematics, LLC

Re:FAQ (1)

Malcontent (40834) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269156)

Is there anything more lame then a person who complains about slashdot?

Re:FAQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269160)

nice job. it made me laugh at your post & the dipshit who modded you informative

Re:FAQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269222)

>Quoth Mike Hunter:
>> Cherish my balls as though they were a tootsie-pop which you were
>> determined to lick through to the creamy center.

>If only we knew how many licks it would take.

The world may never know.

Trademark... (4, Informative)

po8 (187055) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269043)

I hope Ian has gotten permission to use the name Locutus, which is, no surprise, a trademark of Paramount. Info below.

(BTW, why does Slashdot not allow <pre> tags but allow text-only postings and the obvious <tt>...<br> thing? What a pain.)

Word Mark LOCUTUS
Goods and Services IC 028. US 022.
G & S: toys; namely, action figures and accessories therefor, poseable figures, dolls.
FIRST USE: 19930600.
FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19930600
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 74462053
Filing Date November 12, 1993
Published for Opposition August 23, 1994
Registration Number 1862622
Registration Date November 15, 1994
Owner (REGISTRANT) PARAMOUNT PICTURES CORPORATION
CORPORATION DELAWARE
5555 Melrose Avenue Los Angeles CALIFORNIA 900383197
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Re:Trademark... (4, Informative)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269083)

Goods and Services IC 028. US 022. G & S: toys; namely, action figures and accessories therefor, poseable figures, dolls.

I don't think this software qualifies as a toy, action figure, poseable figure or a doll. You do understand how trademarks work, don't you?

Great. Five whole minutes of my life wasted. (-1, Troll)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269055)

I could have done many other things than reading with interest about a potentially useful P2P app, only to get down to the brass tacks and discover that it's engine is in fact .Net

Sorry, Mike, but will you at least post a Windbox-only disclaimer? I don't have any of those anymore, and am happily phasing them out of existance in my workplace - not a small task when you have to deal with 800 or so computers, with a group of users which frequently points to the monitor when talking about the "computer."

But I digress. My point is, I'd have been much happier to see something like this wrapped around something which doesn't require Windows to use. Unless, of course, someone can point me to Microsoft .Net Framework for Linux, FreeBSD, and OS X :)

Re:Great. Five whole minutes of my life wasted. (1)

Shippy (123643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269082)

Do five more minutes of work and you'll discover Mono [go-mono.com] .

Re:Great. Five whole minutes of my life wasted. (1)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269127)

Yes, I've done that five minutes of work. Well, maybe more. Maybe a lot more. I personally think Miguel is on to something truly wonderful with the project. But thanks for offering your help.

My point was this: as written, locutus is a pure Windows-only app, which was not in any way apparent from the original posting. And, according to the faq [locut.us] , the developers of locutus do not intend to release the source for the app, which means no porting to Mono, lisp, Applescript, FORTRAN, or anything else for that matter. Only for Windows.

While I have no objection to people wanting to develop for any platform they want to, it's always been my impression that /. is not primarily geared toward Windows developers. There [microsoft.com] are [aspemporium.com] plenty [wd-mag.com] of [codeguru.com] those [windowsweenie.com] . All I'm saying is, it'd be nice if Michael, or anyone else posting, would at least mention something to the effect to "this app won't run unless you have windows." In the context, I don't think it's too much to ask.

Re:Great. Five whole minutes of my life wasted. (2, Informative)

umofomia (639418) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269188)

My point was this: as written, locutus is a pure Windows-only app, which was not in any way apparent from the original posting. And, according to the faq [locut.us], the developers of locutus do not intend to release the source for the app, which means no porting to Mono, lisp, Applescript, FORTRAN, or anything else for that matter. Only for Windows.
According to the FAQ:
3.1 What is .Net and why does Locutus need it?

.Net is, at its core, an attempt to standardize the way that software applications communicate with the underlying Operating System. .Net was developed by Microsoft, and at the time of writing is only available for Windows, however .Net has been embraced by some in the Linux community who are working on Open Source versions of .Net such as Mono. Once finished, these will allow Locutus to run on non-Microsoft operating systems.
You don't need the source to port Locutus to Mono... it's compiled to the .NET Common Language Runtime, which Mono is attempting the implement for Linux. So all you need is the compiled program; the source is not necessary... similar to the way Java apps run on top of JVMs running on different platforms.

Re:Great. Five whole minutes of my life wasted. (1)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269204)

Thank you for the first intelligent answer to the issues I had with the app. In a very short reply, you have managed to cut through my own ignorance without trolling or otherwise adding emotion to a technical debate. Put the way you put it, it makes sense. I'll drop the .Net beef now :)

Flamebait? Mods, take a breath before knee jerks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269163)

If I were trying to flame, I'd have been more effective. I was just mentioning for those interested that this is not an open source app, and will not run on an open source operating system.

Re:Great. Five whole minutes of my life wasted. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269184)

Learn how to use your goddamn apostrophe's!

My goddamn apostrophe's what? ;)

P2P for Linux... (2, Interesting)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269065)

When are they going to release a good P2P program for Linux? Not that gnutella crud, I'm talking about something like KaZaA that even people stuck on 56K can use well. I'm fed up with wine & KaZaA lite dying every 5 seconds.

Re:P2P for Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269158)

Isn't Kazaa based on Gift? There is a Gift client/server package availble for Linux. Search for gift-curs.

Not good enough (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269078)

Fundamental flaw of P2P:

Users can get arrested.

Solution:

P2P where users need not fear arrest.

Is this a joke? (3, Insightful)

ThoreauHD (213527) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269093)

Running "secure" proprietary software on a windows box. Where have I heard that before. No man. Put the pipe down and walk away.

These people don't seem to learn.

MOD PARENT UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269135)

As funny! I did laugh when I read it. Exactly what I was thinking. But then again, look who put the article up. Michael? Uh-oh!

Not the first p2p with encryption. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269097)

I think the first p2p client with an encryption feature was filetopia.

www.filetopia.com

23Meg memory footprint (4, Interesting)

tandr (108948) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269109)

... for application that supposed to be in background??? I read it as not only Java has memory footprint problems, but .NET based ones too. :(

In Soviet Russia, Locutus Ppreview YOU! tsarkon! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269110)

In Soviet Russia, Locutus Preview YOU!

Fat chance I'll take another look.... (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269113)

Download...click

"You appear to be using Windows NT 4 without .Net. Unfortunately we do not support Windows NT 4 at this time, although we are working hard to expand the range of supported Operating Systems"

.net, eh? Swell...and I was so encouraged to see the site using PHP.

WE ARE THE TROLL. (-1, Troll)

Tuxinatorium (463682) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269115)

Lower your standards and surrender your mod points. We will add your tautological and non-tautological statements to our own. Your lack of culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is erotic.

P2P (-1, Troll)

Tuxinatorium (463682) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269119)

What better way to promote a P2P program than to choose a name that implies, "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, SO SUCK ON DEEZ NUTS, RIAA!" ;)

.NET? Secure? (4, Funny)

blumpy (84889) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269123)

>Locutus differs from most other P2P networks on several levels, most prominently its focus on security....The application is only 400k in size, but many users will notice that the download is over 20MB. This is because Locutus relies on Microsoft's .NET framework, and if a user doesn't have .NET they will automatically download a version of the installer that does.

Hmm... focus on security, yet uses .NET? I don't understand....

freenet? (2, Interesting)

Valpis (6866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269151)

And if compared to freenet, any benefits?

Re:freenet? (1)

Jhan (542783) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269212)

Well, you can search. And files won't disappear from the network unless reuploaded every day.

Unfortunately, it lacks the real killer feature of FreeNet: routing the actual data through the P2P network just like the queries.

This means the Man can still get you by setting up honeypots. What use is a secure channel if your peer is malicious?

Re:freenet? (1)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269213)

And if compared to freenet, any benefits?

yes. 30% more bloat.

Spoiler [redundant] (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269176)

Windows only...and requires .net - now tell us again why it didn't use the MS Borg icon? Seems more like it at least deserved the kneepads icon.

Oh My God! This is so cool... (4, Funny)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269177)

it's like shared folders on a windows network... but get this... it's *encrypted*!!! Therefore making it suitable for me to use in my Department of Homeland Security office... Cool huh?

Furthermore, it uses *encryption*... meaning it is illegal for export outside the great US of A... thus those bad terrorists can't get it... naaa... naaa... naaa... naaa... naaaaaaaa!

PGP is not new for P2P... (2, Informative)

torpor (458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269178)

... dibs, for example, uses it:

http://freshmeat.net/projects/dibs/ [freshmeat.net]

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5269199)

Natalie Portman pours hot grits down YOUR pants!

Bah, it doesnt run on linux. (2, Insightful)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 11 years ago | (#5269200)

What use is it when it doesnt run on anything but windows? Many scientists run linux and other stuff nowadays so its pretty insane doing a client that doesnt run on anything but windows.

I detest using anything that isnt cross platform friendly. When the next OS comes i dont want to stand there with my corporate pants down.

Why is it so hard making applications truly cross plattform? Technology?

You already know the answer, the removal of the applications barrier is the biggest threat to Microsoft today. .net is an effort at keeping that barrier onto the future. I say good luck to Miguel when MS dicides it has enough desciples to boot on .net.
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