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Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272440)

Would anyone else besides me like to see Sci Fi channel concentrate more on adapting SF literature than on recent bad horror films?

Re:Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (5, Insightful)

minektur (600391) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272463)

I agree, though focusing on _good_ SF would be even better. I am not sure that 'Children of Dune' would qualify.

I have almost stopped watching Sci Fi due to the constant barrage of bad horror flicks.

Re:Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (0, Flamebait)

jordan_a (139457) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272528)

? I'm sorry, but I'm utter confused by your comment. When was Children of Dune a horror film?

Re:Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (1)

Flamerule (467257) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272581)

? I'm sorry, but I'm utter confused by your comment. When was Children of Dune a horror film?
Grandparent was referring to Children of Dune when he said "literature". What he meant by "horror film" was the total dreck SciFi is putting on the air now, in a sick strategy to corner the ... uh, exactly-like-TNT/TBS/USA-channel market.

Re:Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272635)

Specifically, I believe he meant TREMORS: THE SERIES. Although, granted, the word "dreck" does instantly bring that to mind.

Re:Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272708)

I once had a dream where the hamburger was eating me!

Re:Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272758)

When was Children of Dune a horror film?

The very thought of watching that piece of crap fills me with complete horror.

Re:Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (2, Interesting)

Brave New Shill (634431) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272557)

Here's one: The Forever War.

From Joe Haldeman's website:

http://home.earthlink.net/~haldeman/newnews.html

and IMDB:

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0315007

No (2, Interesting)

A55M0NKEY (554964) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272588)

The sci-fi channel can't produce anything. This CoD will suck as bad as their remake of Dune did. They should not make things, but buy them already made from other people.

I thought they were cutting back? (3, Insightful)

circusboy (580130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272650)

I just wish they had put some of this money into another season of farscape...

Re:Sci Fi channel doing more literature? (2, Interesting)

adashiel (96488) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272729)

It would be nice. A few years ago I even thought it was possible. I heard the Sci-Fi Channel obtained the rights for Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy and had high hopes for a mini-series. Now, though? We've got John Edward, the Dream Team, Scare Tactics, movies so awful they don't even have camp value, and, oh yeah, no Farscape. I shudder to think what an adaptation would be like.

I do have higher expectations for Children of Dune, though. I think the project was conceived prior to the current regime at Sci-Fi, so I'm hoping it has potential.

Blah blah blah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272441)

Frost Pist

I am the... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272443)

first child of Dune post!

fuck you (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272447)

No double-click links in this article! Congrats Hemos, you're reformed.

Problems regarding accounts or comment posting sho (-1)

varak_mathews (592911) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272454)

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It could be good. (1)

amentia (142487) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272457)

I think it's exciting. IMHO nothing has yet quite captured the feeling of the book.

Re:It could be good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272491)

I refuse to watch it because of Sci-Fi's treatment of Farscape and it's "New-Age" "Reality" direction. Come on, Dream Team, Scare Factor...These ARN'T Science Fiction. The channel is spiraling down the drain...

Last Dune Series (2, Interesting)

txdadu (310768) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272459)

The last Dune Series was great... sure if you had watched the Lynch movie it wasn't the same, but Paul Atreides was cast better in the series than in the movie and all in all the casting was better.

I'm looking forward to seeing this must convince the housemates to TiVo it...

Re:Last Dune Series (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272547)

I'm sorry, but as far as I can remember (I thought the miniseries was boring as hell and stopped watching as soon as I saw a worm...gotta see the worms), the guy they cast as Duncan Idaho in the miniseries was an average looking brown-haired dude, whereas Duncan is supposed to be a blond-haired pretty boy (And although we only see him for about 2 seconds in the movie, he did fit the description).

Re:Last Dune Series (1)

JWW (79176) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272560)

I don't know, I wouldn't say the casting was better.

The script, however, was way better for the miniseries.

Re:Last Dune Series (2, Informative)

mike77 (519751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272624)

I purchased the last dune series on dvd, as I wasn't able to catch it on tv. I've read the books, and watched the lynch film, and I have to say I thought the SciFi series was atrocious! I refuse to watch the dvd again. The story itself (ie the adaptation) wasn't bad, but the quality of the show itself was terrible. I mean how many times are you going to use the same set backdrop? I don't know, troll me if you must, but I HOPE SciFi does a better job (ie spend more on it) this time around.

Re:Last Dune Series (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272642)

I just hope they get the pronunciations right this time. The words Harkonnen and Chani are 2 that drove me crazy in the Series.

People in the SciFi community have know the correct pronunciation for 3 decades and the movie got them right. Guess that's what happens when the director doesn't know the history worth a damn.

Re:Last Dune Series (1)

jazdogg (218249) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272705)

I should have taken my statement further, when I said I didn't like the first series. I watched the first series and was B-O-R-E-D! I loved the book and I'm glad they tried to follow the book as closely as possible, but the acting was awful as well as the quality of special effects. One clearly awful moment was when Paul had to ride a sandworm for the first time. Paul never had to climb up the worm. The worm turned it's body as far away from the sand because of the hooks! While David Lynch's movie did not cover book as well, the production quality was so much better and that was a 1984 movie!

dune (4, Interesting)

psyklopz (412711) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272461)

dune was only really inspired in the first novel.

beyond that, it got tired. Herbert even has selective memory of some things... in the first novel, Paul had a son he named Leto, but his son was killed.

Afterwards, when they have the twins (children of dune), they carry on as if that first child never existed (one of the twins is even named Leto).

It seems to me that the original Dune novel was intended to stand on it's own. Herbert gave into the pressure of his publishers and screwed up an otherwise perfect and mysterious universe by putting out a series of weirder and weirder sequels.

Re:dune (5, Informative)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272507)

Actually, Herbert had sketched out a seven volume story covering 10,000 years; parts of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune were written before Dune was finished. And the second of Paul's children named Leto was consciously named that because Paul wanted a son named after his father.

Herbert got through six of the seven. His son has the notes for the seventh, and is preparing to butcher his father's legacy as he's done six times already with those godawful prequel books.

Re:dune (5, Insightful)

Twirlip of the Mists (615030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272656)

I've read this before-- the thing about how Frank Herbert had plans for a book 7-- but it seems to me that the ending of Chapterhouse is just too perfect. I prefer the saga the way it is now, ending on a cliffhanger and with that little commentary by Marty and Daniel, who many people think represented Bev and Frank Herbert talking out of character about the story itself.

It seems to fit, for me, with the interwoven theme of prescience. Paul was cursed by his prescience, and Leto's vision of the future was of humans who were immune to prescience. The end of Chapterhouse, in which Duncan and Sheeana fleeing the known universe in a no-ship, seems to symbolize Herbert's creation escaping beyond the limits of his own vision.

But what the hell do I know, anyway?

Re:dune (1)

Xaleth Nuada (516682) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272508)

Afterwards, when they have the twins (children of dune), they carry on as if that first child never existed (one of the twins is even named Leto).

That would be why the twin is named Leto II.

Re:dune (1)

psyklopz (412711) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272522)

the first child was also named Leto II, after Paul's father.

So shouldn't the twin be named Leto III?

version control (2, Funny)

gilroy (155262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272580)


So shouldn't the twin be named Leto III?

Nah...Leto II.b

Re:version control (2, Funny)

Leto2 (113578) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272726)

In CVS it would be 1.2.2.1

(with this username, I had to make at least 1 post in this thread)

Re:dune (1)

stg (43177) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272521)

I've been re-reading these books and I have to agree... Dune is much better than the sequels.

However, the "prequels" to Dune written by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson are *great*. The Butlerian Jihad, in particular, was excellent. The "Houses" series were very good, too (Dune: House Atreides and Dune: House Harkonnen and Dune: House Corrino).

Re:dune (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272551)

I though Chapter House was the second best book of the series. I haven't read any of the prequels.

Re:dune (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272577)

really? ive never read Brian Herbert, but your comment is the first positive one ive seen so far

Re:dune (3, Insightful)

plover (150551) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272527)

I think the second novel was a decent followup to Dune, but it's also where Herbert started to get more wrapped up in the political / religious issues.

After the second book, even the bogus political / religious issues took on a tiresome sameness, rather like the plotions manufactured for each episode of Star Trek. I found them frustrating. He hinted at all these worlds, each of which could easily have been as interesting as Arrakis (I wanted to see a book set on Salusa Secundis) but they all focused around the lame Bene Gesserits.

I hope the SciFi channel has enough sense to stop filming sequels after this book.

The Giver; Pete and Pete (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272530)

Paul had a son he named Leto, but his son was killed. Afterwards, when they have the twins (children of dune), they carry on as if that first child never existed (one of the twins is even named Leto).

Naming a child after a person who died is common in some fictional universes. In The Giver by Lois Lowry, after Caleb is killed in an accident, the people of the village name the next child Caleb. In effect, Caleb is dead; long live Caleb. Heck, look at Nickelodeon's The Adventures of Pete and Pete, where two living brothers have the same given name.

Then again, I've never read any of the Dune series. Leto's surname wasn't Haxor, was it [google.com]?

Re:The Giver; Pete and Pete (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272717)


Also, you can look to Ed, Edd, and Eddy on Catoon Network. Granted they're not brothers, but it's kind of odd how three friends all have the (phonetically) same name! Crazy! And nobody had to die for that to happen! That Rolf is one crazy son of a bitch, let me tell you.

Re:The Giver; Pete and Pete (1)

Lshmael (603746) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272761)

You just compared Dune to "The Giver" and "The Adventures of Pete & Pete," thereby making your last paragraph totally obvious to everyone who has read any of the books. The abyss between the Dune universe and the two mediocre fictional "worlds" (if you can call them that) is so wide, you could fit a sandworm in it. Lengthwise.

Re:dune (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272532)

Actually, Dune was initially conceived as trilogy. The first book sets up Paul as the perfect Messianic hero. The following two books tear down this hero and point out the perils of the hero myth with is so prevelant in our religions and culture. An excellent yet lenghty analysis written by Tim Oreilly can be found here: http://tim.oreilly.com/sci-fi/herbert/

Re:dune (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272578)

what were you expecting them to spend every day of the rest of their lives mourning their lost son? after the death of their first son leto, paul reassures chani that they will have more children. naming both the first and second son leto is not a coincidence but rather another display of paul's affection for his father and desire to have a son with his name.

I liked the first one too. (2, Interesting)

Beebos (564067) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272464)

I never understood why people didn't like the Sci-Fi channel's Dune, especially since the movie was so mediocre. I liked the fact that it was more about the story than the special effects.

-

Yeah, that's fine. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272675)

. . .only the special effects were so bad as to detract from the quality of the film. They were tastelessly low-budget and a lot of it could be cut.

Say what you will, the Lynch version looked a lot more polished. Since this is a movie- a visual representation- I can't but be interested in the L&F of a film.

Also, I'd like to rehash the fat-Gurney observation. How hard-pressed were they?

Beating a Dead Horse? (2, Interesting)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272465)

Given, the books are great, but could it be that these attempts to make TV series out of Herbert's work doing more harm than good? I mean just look at what over-commercialization has done to the Star Trek franchise?

Re:Beating a Dead Horse? (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272599)

Totally unrellated subjects. One is adapting sucesfull books, the other is overusing a TV franchise.

I'm more worried about the "prequels". I hate it when someone's name gets tagged on stuff he didn't write. His son has some author write stuff, he puts his name (wich is also his father's name, duh) on it: Profit.
They did stuff like that with Asimov al lot...you see a book that has ASIMOV written in giant bold letters all over the cover, but if you look at the small print its only "inspired" by Asimov...sneaky publishing bastards.

Re:Beating a Dead Horse? (1, Interesting)

joshv (13017) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272665)

I'm more worried about the "prequels". I hate it when someone's name gets tagged on stuff he didn't write. His son has some author write stuff, he puts his name (wich is also his father's name, duh) on it: Profit.

Except for the fact that his son is also a sci-fi author, who actually co-wrote the prequels, and the fact that the prequels, each one of them, are written better than Dune itself.

The prequels are fast paced, well written, clear, fascinating page turners that expertly illuminate the events leading up to those protrayed in the original Dune.

I read Dune long ago in my teens. My girlfriend introduced me to the prequels a few months back. I devoured all four of them - then sat down to read Dune once again. It was anti-climactic.

-josh

Re:Beating a Dead Horse? (4, Insightful)

neurojab (15737) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272621)

The over commercialization did harm to Star Trek? You must be joking. ST was designed as a purely commercial venture. It's first incarnation was a prime-time TV show designed to capitalize on the average joe's hunger for western themes. They just swapped in space as a setting after the Apollo project killed the target market's interest in the visual aspects of cowboys and indians. That said, I don't think it's possible to "commercialize" Star Trek.

I agree with your point though... the depth and character of Dune can only be poorly represented on the screen. On the other hand, I thought the same thing about the Lord of the Rings, but the Two Towers was very, very good.

Re:Beating a Dead Horse? (2, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272631)

just look at what over-commercialization has done to the Star Trek franchise?

OK, I'll bite. What?

Seriously, the Dune books are written, they are what they are. No one can take anything away from them. If, as a result of the new TV movies, five people go and read the books who might never have picked them up, great! It's not like Frank Herbert is still writing 'em and some new populist direction derived from the TV shows is going to somehow alter a greatness that might have been or the greatness that is and was.

With luck, the shows will be wildly successful, a new generation of people will read the novels, and the dim expectations of a youth culture made to believe that the likes of "Farscape" or "Babylon 5" constitute the best SF has to offer, simply because they're a tick above the Star Trek/Star Wars "Happy Meal" fodder, will be raised.

I don't think the Fantsy genre has been ill-served by Peter Jackson's reverent treatment of LOTR. If anything, it means that the public tolerance for a "Sword and the Sorcerer II" has been lowered drastically. All good.

I liked the SCI-FI treatment of Dune (4, Interesting)

shreak (248275) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272470)

Like Hemos, I enjoyed the Sci-Fi Channel's Dune mini-series. Much more so than David Lynch's version.

If you didn't like the last one, I doubt you should hold much hope for likeing the next. From the trailers, it seems to be in much the same style, which is exactly what I'm looking for.

=Shreak

Re:I liked the SCI-FI treatment of Dune (1)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272611)

"Let's throw out the plot and everything about the characters but their names, while keeping the sets and the title"?

That style? Oh joy. Can't wait to skip that one.

Troll my brains out (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272473)

David Lynch (4, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272474)

I have this love-hate thing with David Lynch movies. Most of them I hate, but even in the bad ones, you can tell that Lynch is really working his ass off stylisticly.

I didn't read Dune before seeing the David Lynch version. I still thought that it was a hell of a movie, despite its many problems. (I hate Kyle Mclaughlin almost as much as I hate Ben Affleck.) Even having read Dune, the Sci-fi mini-series just left me flat up next to the sheer style of the first movie.

Ahh, Dune (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272475)

New-age drivel for nerds. The Deepak Chopra of sci-fi.

two by two, hands of blue (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272476)

two by two, hands of blue

Re:two by two, hands of blue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272682)

Back in your box, River.

Re:two by two, hands of blue OFF TOPIC?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272752)


How in the hell can this be off topic? Didn't you see the movie - by eating all that spice, it turned their hands blue. Cripes, mods, get a blue i mean clue.

Greatest thing since sliced bread (1)

Shanoyu (975) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272477)

The Sci-fi movies are going to make Dune the phenomenon it should be, the only problem is figuring out how a dune enthusiast is going to wear that huge metal collapsable wall that they show in the promos.

It was great (1)

benh57 (525452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272482)

The last scifi channel dune series was better than the orignal movie, IMO. Among other things, they showed more of the story. And the chick was hot.

Re:It was great (1)

fmita (517041) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272700)

The original movie, directed by Lynch, was something like 4 hours long, but the studio forced him to cut it down to size. He hated having to do that, and, though it's apparently hard to find, I believe he released the full, 4-hour version. It seems to me to be a similar predicament with LOTR. The books are so long, fitting them into a movie is impossible without cutting some stuff. And no offense, but Lynch is a much higher calibre director than whoever directed the series. He's just a little...weird.

Re:It was great (1)

fmita (517041) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272754)

In fact, I think I heard that Lynch claims the shortened version is not his movies, since he didn't get to take part in the editing process.

you stupid geeks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272494)

All Slashdot and no sex makes Anonymous Coward a dull boy!

I'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272496)

Did they do Messiah? Did I miss it?

Re:I'm confused (1)

delcielo (217760) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272622)

This second series is going to cover the ground of both the "Messiah" and "Children" books.

At least, that's the way it was sold when first proposed.

Re:I'm confused (1)

bobeszcica (648741) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272696)

The miniseries "Children of Dune" will cover both the books "Dune Messiah" and "Children of Dune".

Last series good (0)

jridley (9305) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272497)

I liked the last series, and I thought it was better than the Lynch movie, FWIW. I'll have to go back and watch it again now.

Dissapointed That This is Non-Theatre (3, Interesting)

mrs clear plastic (229108) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272514)

As I read the article, it seems to me (and please
flame/correct me if I am wrong) that this is not intended for the movie theatres, but intended for television.

I strongly feel that these type of movies should be on the big screen. Even if there is no decent plot (and I know the Dune will have a plot), magnificent scenes should be seen on a large screen in a decent, comfortable theatre.

I remember the original Dune. I loved some of the epic scens on the large screen in a decent theatre
with a good sound system. In fact, even though I am not a Dunnite and did not understand the plot, I still sat through it twice just for the scenery.

I later saw portions on a TV screen. The small screen does not do this type of movie justice. Only if someone has a decent home theatre type TV system with a dedicated room and good sound would a Dune type picture be worth putting on TV.

I really feel that these folks should release the series into theatres and then make it available via DVD/tape for the TV crowd.

I apoligize in advance if I read the article incorrectly.

Mark

Re:Dissapointed That This is Non-Theatre (0)

tomakaze (319334) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272673)

with the increasing size of TVs, as long as they're done widescreen and the DVDs come out fairly promptly I'm all for it.<br>

I'd love to see some of the H Beam Piper books done.

Re:Dissapointed That This is Non-Theatre (1)

wilpig (515764) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272690)

The first mini-series has been released in a 2 DVD set. Just check your local video store or your favorite online retailer *cough* DVD Empire [dvdempire.com] *cough* ;) Always go for the wide screen directors cut.

DVD Profiler Collection [dvdprofiler.com]

Re:Dissapointed That This is Non-Theatre (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272697)

I'd rather they have time to tell a good story. Two hours is way too short for any of the Dune books.

Linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Amsterdam Vallon (639622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272517)

Not sure about you all but i never tend to see Linux or any other real operating environment portraid in these sci-fi flicks.

Their cool -- don't get me wrong - but I just wished they'd use more relistic computers. Did you see The Recruit? It's horrible b/c everything is accurate but the computers.

Why spend $$4 making the movie so accurrate but then skimping on the computer details? Some of us know computing!

Re:Linux? (0, Offtopic)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272566)

But most people don't know that you can't enhance an ATM video image to see a headline on a newspaper across the street. It's used as a plot device, usually to get the writers out of some corner they wrote themselves into. Suspension of disbelief is strong with with the cow-eyed masses.

"I thaw dat on duh T.B, so it mus be trooo!" (Booger-eatin' moron accent)

Re:Linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272568)

Stop masturbating to Linux source code and get a life!

MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272672)

It's not offtopic. It's pretty obvious that the original poster jacks off while reading linux source code he doesn't understand anyway. Why else would someone post a shitty comment like that?

Re:Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272587)

first... this isn't really relevant, but i'll comment anyway.

there are no computers in dune. thus no operating systems.

if an inaccurate operating system ruins a movie NOT about computers for you.. i think its a sign that you need to get our of your basement more, and try appreciating that all the world does not have that crt glow

Re:Linux? (4, Informative)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272623)

You're a fool. A notable point in Dune is that there are no computers. In fact, Herbert explains that millenia before there was a robotic revolution, leading to a banning of computers of any sophistication. The Mentats are human computers, performing such calculations, although they are an industrial society. Spaceflight is accomplished through the mental powers of Navigators to bend space.

Your post was completely off-topic and irrelevant.

Sorry if this is harsh, but you shouldn't post just to post.

Re:Linux? (1)

wcb4 (75520) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272735)

actually that is not true, the bending space (folding) was strictly for the movie. The navigators are able to use the spice to see slightly into the future, to know where things WILL be in space, and navigate around them before they are actualy there. You must be prescient to do this, as flight at those velocities would not allow you to react, so you must proactively steer your ship around where things WILL be in the future. Its not about folding space, its about seeing the future.

Re:Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272639)

that might be so, but in movies computers are generally supposed to work flawlesly(unless a computer problem is part of the plot) and any viewer is supposed to get a genreal idea of what the computer is being used for. you might enjoy watching the user search through man pages to then type some cryptic command, but most people prefer the use simply talking with the computer
another thing is that not everybody wants sci-fi movies to be realistic.

Bratwurst! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272541)

HurtzzzttnStrudel! Wurtznthurzt! Strutznstrudelnhurztwurtzenstrudel!

What the hell is this Children of Dune about? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272543)

Is it one of those SD Dune series spinoff that features miniature/younger/cartoon versions of original characters, aimed at younger audioance and toy sales, just like SD Gundam?

Re:What the hell is this Children of Dune about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272582)

> Is it one of those SD Dune series spinoff that features miniature/younger/cartoon versions of original characters, aimed at younger audioance and toy sales, just like SD Gundam?

Don't forget Animatrix, Stargate Infinity, Star Wars Droids/Ewoks, and Star Trek cartoon!

SF Mainstay (2, Insightful)

mugnyte (203225) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272544)


Dune is a part of the must-read list, as far as the first book. The movie/tv stuff paled in comparison.

Before I read another "is there no shame" post, herbert is getting what he deserves: paid. This guy has a trmendous imagination and the motivation to organize it. I support the commercialization of anything, because it means it's popular. Unlike free-as-in-beer software, there is a place for "selling out" as much as possible. Fiction has a commercial lifetime, and capturing the sweet spot is part of the game.

Let the Dune franchise flourish.

mug

Re:SF Mainstay (1)

Disoculated (534967) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272607)

Er, not that I heard anybody complain about Herbert getting paid, but I don't think his compensation is of much interest to him... I mean... he's dead, right?

Re:SF Mainstay (2, Insightful)

Flamerule (467257) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272658)

Before I read another "is there no shame" post, herbert is getting what he deserves: paid. This guy has a trmendous imagination and the motivation to organize it.
Frank Herbert is long dead. It's his son, Brian Herbert, who is cashing out on his father's legacy. I would certainly not call any of those rewards "deserved".
Let the Dune franchise flourish.
No. This isn't a case of an author doing what he wants to with his creation, it's of an estate inheritor doing what he wants with the deceased estate owner's property.

Re:SF Mainstay (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272681)

Dune is a part of the must-read list, as far as the first book.

Please, please, please recommend reading the other books in the series as well! Book one of Dune is really little more than backstory. It's setting up the history of the Tyrant through to his grandparents (Leto I and Jessica). Books two and three show Paul as a failed messiah, his attempt at redemption, and the effect of his failure on his son and how it helped form the Tyrant Leto II. In short, the story is a lot deeper and more complicated than the first book would lead one to believe.


I applaud Sci-Fi for continuing with the Dune series. Perhaps one day we'll see the entire series in theatrical (well, made-for-tv theater, anyway) form, hopefully leading to video games and such based on the later novels as well. It gets tiring when everything up to now has focused on such a tiny part of the Dune mythos, when there is so much more interesting material to work with.

hoping for better quality (2, Interesting)

scrotch (605605) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272546)

Hopefully in this one they can at least get the shadows of live actors consistent with the shadows painted into the sets. It was so distracting to see 2 people with their shadows on their left standing in front of "beautiful desert scenery" with shadows on the right sides of the mountains.

Dune Messiah? (3, Insightful)

Adolatra (557735) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272584)

Wasn't Children of Dune the third book in the saga? Are they planning on incorporating it with Dune Messiah (which would be more than a little tricky, IMO), or are they simply going to skip the second book?

Re:Dune Messiah? (5, Informative)

Kaypro (35263) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272732)

John Harrison, the screenwriter and co-producer answers (from here [scifi.com]):

Q: What books does Children of Dune cover? Why not call it Dune Messiah?

A: After the enormous success of SCI FI's first Frank Herbert's Dune miniseries, SCI FI asked Richard Rubinstein and me to come up with a proposal for another. After a lot of thought and conversation, it seemed that the next books in Frank Herbert's epic presented unique adaptation opportunities as well as problems.

Dune Messiah by itself did not resolve completely enough to stand on its own; it set the stage for Children of Dune. But that third book couldn't be the basis for a new miniseries without the precedent of Dune Messiah. So I decided we should combine both books and create a continuation of the first miniseries. Simply put, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune would complete the saga of Muad'Dib and set the stage for what was to come.

There is a significant passage in Frank Herbert's Dune, spoken by Reverend Mother Ramallo, in which she tells Paul that "when religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows." Of course she means Muad'Dib -- he is the whirlwind. As Dune fans know, in Dune Messiah he is tortured by what that whirlwind has meant, of what has become of his revolution. And, as students of history, we know that "every revolution contains the seeds of its own destruction." In Children of Dune, those seeds have started to bloom. But there is an answer, a road that Muad'dib was unable or unwilling to take: the Golden Path. By the end of Children of Dune, Muad'dib's son, Leto II, is willing to go down that path.

So I decided to combine both Dune Messiah and Children of Dune into one seamless narrative that would complete this chapter of the Atreides on Arrakis and set the stage for the next 3,000-year era, the Golden Path, and the reign of the God Emperor.

For what it's worth (3, Interesting)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272589)

I never read the Dune story. Doesn't interest me. I *did*, however see the Davis Lynch movie. It was fine. Some of the special effects blew, but that was to be expected. Last year I see the Dune mini-series.

Or tried to. Paul came off as a whiney spoiled brat and the costumes were *clearly* stolen from Liberace's closet.

My friend and I got about one hour into it before we'd had enough and put on something worthwhile.

No, this is not flamebait ot trolling, I'm stating a viewpoint. My viewpoint is the mini-series and I', sure the sequels aren't worth the time from a casual fan POV.

I hope.... (2, Informative)

Lord_Slepnir (585350) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272592)

....that this one has a budget of more than $20. I mean, last time SciFi did this, while the writing was pretty good, the acting (particularly Duke Leto) was like watching Al Gore. More than half the sets were sand filled soundstages with cheap backgrounds painted on the backgrounds.

Messiah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272598)

Why was the second novel skipped? I sure hope they merged Messiah and Children together, otherwise there will be some SERIOUS plot holes and it will make as much sence as Lynch's version of Dune.

Maybe that's why they blew Duncan to peices in the first movie so they don't have to complicate things and bring him back as a ghola...

(-1, Offtopic) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272615)

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The first mini-series... (2, Insightful)

Mac Degger (576336) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272629)

...was too...clean. I always thought of Arakis as a really dusty, grimy place...the mini-series /looked/ as if it was filmed on a clean soundstage.

And as for the acting...*sigh*.

Sci-Fi's versions are cool... (1)

Ricdude (4163) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272646)

The Sci-Fi channel's versions are cool, if only to show that good storytelling nowadays doesn't require a $200 million budget. Yes, the backdrops in the first Dune series were obviously painted. Transcribing the story behind Dune to any multimedia format is exceedingly difficult, as so much of the story goes on in the characters' heads. Sci-Fi's version did a reasonable job of telling the story.

Look into the future, after the fall of the RIAA and MPAA, to a time when actors and sports stars make a wage commensurate with their offerings to society. You'll probably be lucky to see cinema half as elaborate as what you see in this telling of the story. More power to them.

Read Dune, Then Stop (4, Informative)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272671)

Its easy to understand why Sci-Fi would make a miniseries of Dune, since it's a great book. Were it not for Hollywood's sequel mentality, it would be a lot harder to understand why they're making a miniseries of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune (which Sci-Fi is mashing together for the Children of Dune miniseries), which are not great books by any stretch of the imagination.

Here's some advice for those who haven't read any of Herbert's many Dune sequels yet: Don't. Not only were they not as good as the original, they weren't even in the same league. If you ask just about any serious science fiction reader, they'll tell you the same thing: Read Dune, then STOP! Dune Messiah sucks, Children of Dune sucks less than Dune Messiah, but still isn't a tenth as good as the original, and God-Emperor of Dune sucks the farts out of dead cats.

If you can just pretend that Herbert never wrote anything after Dune, you'll avoid wasting your time reading inferior sequels and tarnishing your memories of the original.

Bit (0)

goreking (256922) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272683)

Those triangulated costumes were so off. Every article of clothing was super-flamboyant and incredibly off (esp., the Baron's red pyrimadal hats). Herbert gives very specific description on colors and styles that were totally ignored. Also, the iambic-pentameter was a little silly. The casting was lame. The acting diplorable. It captured only brief glimpses of the book (whereas, Lynch's Dune, at least, grabbed the "feel" of the book).

Confused: (1)

Bendebecker (633126) | more than 11 years ago | (#5272706)

Children of Dune was the third book in the series, wasn't it? What are they going to do about Dune Messiah. I read Dune Messiah and if I am not mistaken, Paul and his wife(the non princess one) both died in it(Paul was blinded and he walked off to die in the desert) and Duncan Idaho was brought back to life. How are they going to fit that into the story without having to do at least parts of Dune Messiah in flashbacks or something? Or are they just going to screw the story completely?

Dune? How about Dune ott penetrate my ass! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5272759)

Actually, du penetrate my ass! Just Dune ott use the dildo. My sphincter wants Fremen!
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