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Open Content Music Database Launched

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the using-the-system dept.

Music 148

An anonymous reader writes "The open source music database MusicBrainz was launched officially today. The data is partly in the public domain, partly under an open content like license. It includes artist/album/track information, with more to come. There's support for CDDB-like CD identification (actually, a lot of the current data was imported from freedb), but also identification of single tracks via audio fingerprints (TRMs). Help both in adding new content by tagging your music collection and consolidating the existing data is welcome. Also check out some technical information on the XML database at IBM developerWorks."

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first post (-1, Troll)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286324)

dude, you're getting a dell

Weird (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286333)

Hmm, its 3 a.m. and Slashdot is the only website I can access right now. I can't even log on to IRC....wtf?

Re:Weird (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286340)

slashdot is the only site you can access, and you failed to get first post?

Off-topic but I'll bite... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286350)

Same here, and about half the images on /. aren't loading. I'm on ATT cable, fyi.

Simple explination (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286356)

All your website belong to us!

Re:Simple explination (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286363)

Apparently.

I can get Google and Slashdot.

However, I can't check my fscking mail. I blame it all on CowboyNeal. He must've knocked out the power plug to the Internet when he was vacuuming.

You ordered a Dell? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286342)

Do you want pot with that?

SCHWEEEEETTT (2, Interesting)

sickboy_macosX (592550) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286325)

Now if only they would allow you to upload play lists, and classify your Mp3's =)

Re:SCHWEEEEETTT (0, Troll)

EnderWiggin99 (84576) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286358)

Yes. And I could use help with my laundry too.

Re:SCHWEEEEETTT (1)

trezor (555230) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286398)

And if they were not slashdotted, they might be useful :)

That's some slick moderation there, guys (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286375)

Modding the first post redundant, and all.

Nice one.

Is CD cover art illeagle? (3, Interesting)

t0qer (230538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286338)

A friend of mine wanted to open up a punk CD store on the web. Being the nice friend I am I helped him import a large amount of data from the CDDB into his OScommerce store (Os commerces is an open source store package, pretty cool)

After much alignment of tables, farting around with the data eventually we got it right but with one small detail left out....

We didn't have cover art images...

So frantically he tried copying the images from other sites, then he kept insisting there was a way I could easily parse the obsfucicated data from other stores (album art gif's are never the same name as the album)

So eventually he gave up on it, but it got me to thinking, would the cover art be something unlawful for a CDDB type of entity to host?

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (1, Interesting)

Carthag (643047) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286372)

Technicalities aside (it's not very hard to do it at all, all it takes is a bit of perl tomfoolery - trust me ;), I believe it's illegal, since the art is copyrighted, and it's not fair use, since you're in essence redistributing it.

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (1)

The_K4 (627653) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287467)

IANAL but I believe that if the store is selling CDs they are allowed to post the cover art as "a picture of the item they are selling". Just like if I owned a painting (that is clearly copyrighted) I can post photos of it on my website if I wanted to sell it and those were advertisments.

Illeagle=Un-american? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286380)

Does "illeagle" mean un-American? I've always wondered. The "ill" seems to be a negative, and the "eagle" part must be refering to our national bird, the symbol of our nation.

Re:Illeagle=Un-american? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286546)

In Europe, the eagle is a symbol of nazi germany.

Re:Illeagle=Un-american? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5287328)

It's not "your nation" anymore - not since you allowed this unlected maniac to go an a rampage. History will look down on you.

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (5, Informative)

gnurb (632580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286381)

You can get a 300x300 pixel jpg cover art image, at amazon with their webservices [amazon.com]

example image [amazon.com]

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (2, Informative)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286385)

It's pretty easy to get all the cover art from Amazon.com, if you have the ASIN numbers.

As far as the legality, as long as you are selling the items for Amazon.com, then you can use the images. Other than that, I doubt it ;-).

--sex [slashdot.org]

Can you protect a scan? (4, Interesting)

tamnir (230394) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286460)

As far as the legality, as long as you are selling the items for Amazon.com, then you can use the images. Other than that, I doubt it ;-).


(Insert the usual IANAL disclaimer here).

This sounds like a reasonable assumption at first, but if you look at it more closely, on which legal basis could Amazon.com prevent you from using these images? They are not the copyright holders of the art. All they did was a simple scan/resize/save_for_web...

Amazon could overlay a "www.amazon.com" on the scans to make the reuse more annoying, but then they could face suits from the artists...

Now the artists could prevent you from using their art. But if you are not defaming them, I don't see why they would. I think they will rather appreciate the publicity.

Re:Can you protect a scan? (2, Insightful)

Jondor (55589) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286668)

While I'm not a lawer and certainly not one specialiced in american copyrights, I'm quite certain that over here (the Netherlands) there are different kinds of things that can be copyrighted among which a collection. And given that copyright laws have a tendency to converge..

Concreet example, While i'm allowed to call everybody personal and ask them for their phonenumber and other info. Compile them in a handy index and publish it as telephone reference. I'm NOT allowed to take a shortcut and copy all this info from a phonebook.

Amazon may not have the copyrights on the artwork for cd covers, they probably do have a right on the collection in their database and can prohibit redistribution. Given that this is america it wouldn't supprice me if they licensenced the artwork themself.

Anyhow, in general it's my understanding that the right to use content on a public network doesn't imply the right to redistribute.

Re:Can you protect a scan? (2, Interesting)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286671)

Now the artists could prevent you from using their art. But if you are not defaming them, I don't see why they would. I think they will rather appreciate the publicity.

The copyright holder will probably be the record label more often than not. And since owning the cover art is one of the "value-added" things that make people buy "real" CDs rather than obtaining illegal MP3s, I think they would very much object.

Of course, you could argue that the amazon scans are sufficiently low-res and quality that a colour printout made from them wouldn't look nearly as good as the "real" cover, so this point might not apply.

Re:Can you protect a scan? (1)

radish (98371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286953)

There's no difference between cover art and the music itself - it's a copyrighted work which is owned (usually) by the label. I run a fan site for a band over here in the UK, and I have explicit permission to host images, cover art, videos and music samples from the copyright holder. I do however have to put explicit disclaimers on the site reminding people that just because I can use them on my site, doesn't mean they can use them on their site.

Sure, the label may well choose to allow you to post the images, like you say it's good publicity - but they could, if they wanted, force you to stop it. Just like you may think that hosting 30 second clips of the songs would be OK and good publicity, they could stop you if they wanted, it is (technically) an infringment.

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (2, Informative)

Duds (100634) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286434)

The RIAA has been actively threatening sites that carry high res album art. Several of them have closed.

Whether it's actually illegal or people without time/money to fight I don't know.

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286782)

The RIAA has been actively threatening sites that carry high res album art.

Yup, it's unbelievable. You'd think that these sites would be providing free promotional information about the artists and that would increase visibility and sales. If someone sees an image on a website, where is the sale that is lost? Copyright law is to protect your revenue. There isn't revenue here.

I can see their argument about pirates using them for printing off covers, but there are a dozen other sources of getting the artwork, be it from a friend, a lending library, p2p (yes, the jpgs are there), commercial website, music database, and on, and on.

I really get the feeling that the RIAA are very stupid. Either that or they are so smart that no one can figure out what they are up to!

MOD THIS DOWN (-1)

DrMrLordX (559371) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286439)

This is obviously not a troll! Only trolls deserve to be modded up. This fools has nothing of value to say. goatse ASCII art kicks this guys ass. MOD ME DOWN TOO

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (1)

Infestation (571698) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286553)

it's might not be a concern of legality, but one of bandwidth. i assume lots of people use winamp to play audio cds, and winamp gets it's track listings from CDDB. while i'm not hugely knowledgable on the subject, what kind of track listing service does windows media player use, cause that download's cover's of audio cds.

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5287038)

MS Media Player 9 (*cough* *splutter*) has a "get album details" feature that helps beef out tag details and also retrieves a small jpg of the album cover art which is used to decorate the folder in Windows Explorer.
Hate 'em as much as you like, but it's a nifty and helpful little feature, though still needs tweaking.

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (1)

jcoy42 (412359) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287719)

So eventually he gave up on it, but it got me to thinking, would the cover art be something unlawful for a CDDB type of entity to host?

Insert usual IANAL, however, I did some work with a museum who was putting photos of their collection on-line, and this was researched.

With artwork, usually the artist holds the copyright, and upon death, it transfers to the next of kin. This is what it boiled down to with one small exception: you can do thumbnails. Largest side cannot exceed 150 pixels.

so 150x150 pixels should not be a problem.

Re:Is CD cover art illeagle? (1)

infofreako (194212) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287796)

While the original works are certainly copyrighted and probably illegal for distribution by any means, what about the home tapers/traders who create their own artwork? Could they in essence release artwork of their own under a Creative Commons license so that others (FreeDB) could distribute this "other" artwork electronically?

Can a tracklist of an album be protected under copyright laws as well?

-nfo

What will the RIAA think?!? (4, Insightful)

trotski (592530) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286343)

I wonder if this is with or without the support of our friends at the RIAA. I mean after all, the data being stored may violate copyright laws... a list of songs on a CD, maybe some sample lyrics, all without the approval of the goons in the RIAA.

It's probably a non issue, then again the RIAA has a record of making big issues out of non-issues. It will be interesting to see if anything will happen.

Re:What will the RIAA think?!? (2, Informative)

1in10 (250285) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286371)

I don't think you can copyright the list of songs on a cd, since that's a fact and you cant copyright facts.

Re:What will the RIAA think?!? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286386)

Yes, you can't copyright facts, but fortunately for Bush he can copyright all his Iraq evidence.

Re:What will the RIAA think?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5287370)

Troll?!? Off-topic I would understand, but wouldn't "funny" be more appropriate (even if it's more sad than funny)?

YOU CAN'T MOD THE TRUTH DOWN JUST TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE?!?

The rest of the world is watching very closely, and with this stuff you only fool yourselves, nobody else. If you're an US citizen, *inform* yourself what the government is doing in your name. Ignorance is no excuse... you pay taxes, so you're taking part in it. INFORM YOURSELF. DON'T BLIND YOURSELF.

Re:What will the RIAA think?!? (4, Funny)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286518)

AFAIK, the RIIA isn't opposed to you having information about the music that you own. They are just against you listening to the music that you own.

Collections of Facts (1)

cporter (61382) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286821)

Lists of songs on CDs and lists of CDs by artists, like any collection of facts, are not copyrightable information.

song lyrics and album cover art, on the other hand, are copyright, being creative works. i don't think MusicBrainz stores either of these things.

For Free Music. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5287010)

I think it's more for music that artists are willing to put in the public domain. Free Music, kinda like Free Software.

Re:What will the RIAA think?!? (1)

nanojath (265940) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287278)

Most of the meta-data (playlist, title, publisher, artists, etc. etc.) is not protected or protectable. Lyrics are another issue. If they are copyright protected they can't be published without permission (I know, I know, a lot of it goes on - but it would be a mistake to include it in a project like this that is striving for legitimacy).


All of this is just more evidence of the way things are going, incidentally. Although at a very early stage, I think the trend is very promising.

er.... (5, Interesting)

Kalewa (561267) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286347)

I find the idea of a program that can identify my MP3s by audio fingerprint, and will submit that information to somewhere on the Internet a little creepy...

I agree (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286369)

Some AC says to tag and log and we're expected to jump and go? Isn't that how chain letters get started? ....c'mon...

Tipping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286958)

On the bad side, some RIAA goon could try to use this for nefarious purposes. On the good side...we could use it to support tipping. The big problem with voluntary tips for unsigned artists is verifying that you're tipping the right people.

Hehe (4, Funny)

EnderWiggin99 (84576) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286348)

Anyone else notice they're being hosted by CCCP? Seriously, they could've chosen a better moniker...

Re: Hehe (IN SOVIET RUSSIA) (-1, Offtopic)

trotski (592530) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286366)

Anyone else notice they're being hosted by CCCP?

Hehehe.... let the bad jokes (trolls?) begin :)

Soviet Russia joke by "trotski" (--- FUNNY AS HELL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286403)

good god thats some of the best shit ever

Re:Hehe (3, Funny)

StormyWeather (543593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286367)

Dear god just when we though we had killed the "In Soviet Russia" jokes...

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, DEAD HORSE beats YOU!

la~~

IN SOVIET HORSE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286580)

...Dead Russia beats YOU!

get some fresh air (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286351)

you freakin' nerd mainstream loozers,

move your arse on saturday: and get some fresh air:
http://www.internationalanswer.org/
http:// www.sanjosepeace.org/

You want your kids to ask you what you did for the wold peace in the future? do you???

Re:get some fresh air (-1, Flamebait)

hoofie (201045) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286458)

>>You want your kids to ask you what you did for the wold peace in the future? do you???

Well, if they asked me, I'd tell them I was in the vanguard of teaching people how to spell 'world' for a start...

Re:get some fresh air (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286474)

No, you've misunderstood him. He's only interested in peace for bits [pocklington.gov.uk] of Yorkshire...

in the news (1, Funny)

lexcyber (133454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286354)

http://musicbrainz.org/ had to close their site only after one day of operation. They suffered a severe dos-attack known in the computer geek underground as "slashdotting". Goverment officials are very disturbed about this and action are beeing takeing to find the source of this attacks!

Re:in the news (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286359)

it does not really matter. bush wil dissolve the world anyway. only YOU can stop this, on 15th February. get out speak out.

A Condensed History of the Penis Bird (-1)

Trolling Thunder (639121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286357)

For years now, the common American penis bird has been a staple of every American's daily diet. Whether it be penis bird sandwiches, fried penis bird, or perhaps penis bird under glass (for the rich), we all have penis bird at least once a day. Many Americans have no clue how the penis bird became so important in the pyramid of a balanced diet, so in this article I will attempt to explain its history and why it is so useful.

In the early 1870s, Francis Zefran became the first penis bird breeder in North America. He started his famous Penis Bird Ranch in Canton, OH. At the time, not much was known of the penis bird's nutritional value, but the Penis Bird Ranch changed all of that. Not only did Francis Zefran raise penis birds to sell their colorful plumes (a VERY lucrative business), he also set up the world's first research lab dedicated solely to the study of the penis bird.

The lab found many interesting things. First, it was discovered that thepenis bird was actually semi-sentient. Second, the scientists found that the meat of the penis bird was high in protein, vitamin A, vitamin B, and calcium, while low in fat, cholestorol, and sodium. Never before had such a nutritious meal been had without supplement or fortification. The scientists of the lab recommended immediately that the penis bird become a part of every American's daily diet.

When the news of the penis bird's usefulness reached president Rutherford B. Hayes, he was absolutely ecstatic. You see, President Hayes owed a number of favors to Francis Zefran because as I said earlier, the penis bird plume trade was an extremely lucrative business and Mr. Zefran was important in getting RBH elected through a number of monetary gifts. President Hayes immediately asked Congress to pass what we all know today as the Hayes/Zefran Penis Bird Consumption Act.

The act did a number of things to make the penis bird a daily meal, most important of which was the requirement that for every four people in a household, one penis bird must consumed every day. Another thing the act did was create an artificial monopoly for Francis Zefran's Penis Bird Industries. The act stated that the only supplier of penis bird meat in the US would be PBI. As one would imagine, this quickly made Francis Zefran into the richest man in the world. He was soon a multi-billionaire (quadrillionaire with today's inflation). Never before had a single man seen such wealth.

Many challenges were made to the Hayes/Zefran Penis Bird Consumption Act, and several even made it the Supreme Court. It was argued that the act was unconstitutional and went against liberty itself, but once the detractors tasted delicious penis bird meat for the first time, they immediately dropped their cases and followed the law to the letter. We all know today that penis bird is the most delicious meat man has ever known, but at that time, the only meats people ate were pork and beef.

In the early 1970s, though, challenges to the act began again. Many argued that the monopoly given to Penis Bird Industries by the act was in all ways unamerican. The Supreme Court finally agreed, and in 1974, Section II of the act was struck down. This in effect opened the market to competition for all.

Today, Penis Bird Industries is almost no more. Today we have the market leader Penis Bird Meat International facing against Penissoft, a recent startup. Where will the future lead the penis bird market? Only time will tell us, but one thing is certain: penis birds are here to stay!

Incredibly well designed project (5, Interesting)

gnurb (632580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286362)

I stumbled upon this site earlier today completely by accident. I was trying to find an alternative to the gracenote database for use on my website, since Amazon's XML doesn't provide track listing. I did a search for "free database cd dvd" Found an article on The Register about a year old that mentioned MusicBrainz. Did a search, and baMM! discovered a great project.

I had brought up to my friends several times, how it would be great to start something similiar. The metaratings are a great idea, providing the database openly to the public is great, and i'm falling in love with their tagging utility.

And it's all non-profit! (and will likely get better each and every day now that it has all this slashdot traffic)

I am this close to posting the 28 meg mysql database on my school account, but I think the coe admins would kill me!!

Re:Incredibly well designed project (5, Funny)

Snoe (114590) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286395)

Well I WAS indexing all of my mp3s (about 20gigs of albums) using their tagger and it was working very, very well. If something is misidentified it is very easy to spot and remedy.

Then, about 15 minutes ago I noticed the program was no longer speaking to their servers. Lo and behold, the story was put up on slashdot about 15 minutes ago. Not to sound paranoid or anything but I think this coincidence is a little creepy.

Re:Incredibly well designed project (1)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287371)

...excuse me for not getting 'it', but how is musicbrainz different from freedb? is freedb the data-collection project while musicbrainz provides an interface like (thesameas) gracenote?

How are they different? how are they the same?

What I'd like to see more (4, Interesting)

nizcolas (597301) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286384)

than open source music is a simple way of getting samples put onto vinyl. Ive seen so called "computer dj" programs and its still nothing close to cutting on real vinyl.

Though I do like the idea of freeing up music, beats, samples etc, with out a good medium to manipulate the audio this is less of an achievement than it seems.

The reason I say this is because Im a skrxtch dj so this problem of manipulating the audio affects me much more than someone who's mostly doing music on the computer [various forms of electronica]

Another interesting point is that that most skrxtch records encourage reusing the samples and beats. In fact I have a copy of Tales from the Crate next to me that on the cover reads "Unauthorized Duplication is prohibited. Unauthorized flipping, mixing and juggling is recommeneded" [Thats an approximation, I couldnt find the sleeve]

Re:What I'd like to see more (1)

proj_2501 (78149) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286692)

If final scratch [finalscratch.com]
doesn't do what you're looking for, why not buy Vestax's "affordable" $10K dubplate cutter?

Re:What I'd like to see more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286725)

"Unauthorized flipping, mixing and juggling is recommeneded" [Thats an approximation, I couldnt find the sleeve]"

Close, but they probably actually spelt it "recommended".

Dirty Linux Hippies (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286391)

It has come to my attention that you (yes, *you*, the guy in your house reading this article. I mean you personally)are a "dirty linux hippy".

please move out of your parents basement immediently, you pimply faces bearded tree hugging linux user! THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT!

Hey Michael... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286396)

...You're a jerk!

Hey fuck you buddy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286592)

are some kind of fascist? or just a wimp typing some shit into a computer?

Sound of a server dying (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286392)

The sound you hear is from an mp3 with the sound of a server dying.

/.ed (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286402)

/.ed

Down already (0, Redundant)

blacklite001 (453622) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286406)

This is a great idea, I think, and I'm .. attempting.. to use it right now. But the servers seem to be clogged up and completely useless.

Um.

For the lazy people.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286423)

how does this differ from freedb?

Re:For the lazy people.. (3, Insightful)

jojopop (556981) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286431)

Well in general nothing. One of the advantages MusicBrainz has is that uses RDF (so called "XML Database described by the original poster).

When are people going to understand the RDF is not XML!

Imagine an all-legal file sharing P2P network... (4, Insightful)

lightspawn (155347) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286427)

A system that doesn't allow anonymous (unsigned) files to be shared... enforcing user accountability and ensuring all content is in fact freely redistributable (if not, you know who to go after, and you may be able to revoke the user's account, making all files signed by him unshareable)

The RIAA _claim_ sharing their content hurts the bottom line, but imagine the damage caused when people learn they can find their own legal music and don't have to settle on RIAA-dictated tastes.

Re:Imagine an all-legal file sharing P2P network.. (2, Informative)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286523)

The music isn't for everyone but Furthurnet [furthurnet.com] already has such a service. Also, for the shorten compressed files, they can be verified by a central database found here [etree.org] .

Re:Imagine an all-legal file sharing P2P network.. (3, Funny)

Zwets (645911) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286562)

"The RIAA _claim_ sharing their content hurts the bottom line, but imagine the damage caused when people learn they can find their own legal music..."

Yeah, it's about time there were alternatives to all that overpriced commercial music.

Let's create free, open-source versions of Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys!

Re:Imagine an all-legal file sharing P2P network.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5287191)

GNU/Megadeth!
GNU/Metallica!
GNU/Anthrax!

Re:Imagine an all-legal file sharing P2P network.. (1)

Drakonian (518722) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287822)

I'd like to have a look at her source code!

Re:Imagine an all-legal file sharing P2P network.. (2, Interesting)

lfourrier (209630) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286583)

A system that doesn't allow anonymous (unsigned) files to be shared.

And why should you be obliged to sign your own creation, or public domain one ?
How do you sign ? Is it free ?
When you can sign pubdom, what prevent you to sign unfree ?

Re:Imagine an all-legal file sharing P2P network.. (1)

bluGill (862) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286911)

Presumably it would be free. gpg is free, so it shouldn't be hard to make a free version. The goal is that if I put a piece of music up and sign it, anyone can share it, if someone (RIAA) accuses them of sharing illegally, that person just points to me "He said I could do this legally". Since the music is signed it is easy to prove that I gave that permission, and the RIAA takes me to court. Of course since I own the copyright they have no ground to sue me.

The difficulty is if I would make a new key, giving my name is Britney Spears, and sign some Britney Spears music, and upload it all at a public terminal. They then have no way to trace who the music is from, but it is on the network, so the RIAA gets to shut down your network just because someone used it against your policy.

Slashdot effect... (4, Informative)

pouwelse (118316) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286432)

Hello,

Google cache of MusicBrainz.org [216.239.53.100]

One of the MusicBrainz developers here.
It seems our provider cannot handle the bandwidth requirements for the Slashdot effect. We are very sorry about that. Please come back tomorrow if you like out project.

Our dual 1.2GHz Linux server is doing OK:

1:39am up 178 days, 8:42, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.11, 0.20

146 processes: 145 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU0 states: 3.0% user, 11.0% system, 0.0% nice, 85.0% idle
CPU1 states: 3.0% user, 0.1% system, 0.0% nice, 95.0% idle
Mem: 1551632K av, 1467548K used, 84084K free, 0K shrd, 69944K buff
Swap: 2096472K av, 491708K used, 1604764K free 994652K cached

PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND
17639 pouwelse 16 0 1076 1076 828 R 11.3 0.0 0:00 top
17267 nobody 9 0 18976 18M 12188 S 2.6 1.2 0:00 httpd
17256 nobody 9 0 20032 19M 12000 S 1.7 1.2 0:01 httpd
17271 nobody 9 0 20204 19M 11824 S 1.7 1.3 0:01 httpd
17245 nobody 9 0 18584 18M 12536 S 0.8 1.1 0:01 httpd
1 root 8 0 468 428 416 S 0.0 0.0 1:33 init
2 root 9 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 keventd

Greetings,
J.

Doomed from the start? I hope not. (-1, Redundant)

insecuritiez (606865) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286441)

Unfortunately this will probably fail. Most of the success of P2P does stem from copyrighted music being available. This is probably not the case so much for Slashdot users who often prefer OGGs to mp3s anyways. However being in college, I know that most students have never heard of open source/public domain and judge P2P solely on the availability of their favorite (non public-domain) band. MusicBrainz will have to get the word out fast and a large user base before their cash reserves and other funding dry up. I sure hope not. Anyone have any insight into what will set this one apart and turn them into a popular service before they go? I would like to see that happen but it isn't likely. Thoughts are welcome.

Re:Doomed from the start? I hope not. (1)

Psiren (6145) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286476)

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. Musicbrainz isn't a P2P client. It's a database of information on tracks and albums, and libraries for using it.

Re:Doomed from the start? I hope not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286483)

You are in college... but can't read? *WOW* That's something.

You don't trade files. You upload the track listing and track fingerprints.

UNIX port? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286456)

Anyone working on a UNIX port of the tagger utility? The code doesn't look that bad, but's there are a couple of things that I can't figure out. What's vcl.h? Is that a windows thing? What is it for?

Tagger win-only ? (2, Informative)

theefer (467185) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286466)

The MusicBrainz Tagger application allows you to automatically look up the tracks in your music collection and then write clean metadata tags (ID3 tags or Vorbis comment fields) to your files. As you tag the files in your collection that MusicBrainz didn't recognize, you submit the acoustic fingerprints (TRM ids) of your files back to the server. Submitting acoustic fingerprints will allow MusicBrainz to automatically identify these tracks in the future, so that other people using the Tagger can benefit from the work you have done.
This sounds really nice, but it works only on Windows ! The code being GPL, I hope it will soon be ported to other free OSes.

Or does anybody know such a tool working under Linux ?

Re:Tagger win-only ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286795)

Linux makes music fun. I play mp3s using mpg123. It really is a lot of fun. Give it a try.

Re:Tagger win-only ? (1)

icepick (17241) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287778)

TuneTagger [sf.net] is my own first attempt at this. The MB Tagger, the windows only version, has advanced by leaps and bounds and the server interface has changed to accomdate it. I haven't had the time to catch up, maybe this weekend.

At first I coded this in Python/GTK, but with the new server interface you don't need a web browser as much, so the rewrite will use Python/wxWindows which will run on W32/MacOSX/Linux.

Free free to help.

In Soviet Russia...... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286480)

Database launches you !!!!! Bwahahahaa.

In Dababase Russia.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286595)

Soviet launches you!! Take that you scumbag!

Not that new (2)

Lface (23903) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286505)

Musicbrainz may have been officially launced today, but the project has been around for quite some time [slashdot.org] already.

questions... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286507)

I looked at this project about 8 months ago and planned to use this setup for an open source media utility.

I stopped short at that time because :

1) the TRM (song fingerprint) technology was owned by a seperate entity and was closed/private.

*Paranoid pondering* what if the TRM tech owners decided to charge for future use after the database was largely used and accepted. Although the database would remain open, they could charge for new fingerprints (song IDs). Not neccessarily a bad thing but we've all seen things how f'd up these situations can get.

2) the TRM generation took place on the server. Doing a batch of fingerprints would tie up a connection for quite a while.

My brainz a bit fuzzy on this but I think a portion of the actual audio data is uploaded and then processed on the server. I figured that generating TRMs completely client side and then uploading/matching song data to the server would do better for scalability.

Just the same I haven't looked a the project recently and it may have since changed.

Regardless I think its a pretty cool idea.

musicbrainz programs (2, Interesting)

wct (45593) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286545)

I find the programs that interface with musicbrainz to be very useful. The organizational view used by Zinf is probably superior to any other I have used, including iTunes and MusicMatch jukebox. It is great that we have this large database of data that can be accessed from client programs using an open api.

FTP (1, Funny)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286547)

well, i'd be downloading the client, but the FTP server is saying that it's 10 spots are all full right now at 5AM.

c'mon now, this is Slashdot! Open 400,000 users on your FTP server, pay for all the bandwidth yourself, go bankrupt, then post your project on sourceforge =]

Open music (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286574)

Don't say sticks and stones
They might break your bones
But the nine millimeter, it'll bore your dome
I'm talkin about the toe-taggin
Huh, the body-baggin
Man, niggas are dyin, huh, mommas are cryin, casket buyin
Who, me dyin, leave my family cryin?
Hell no, I cause, um, bloodbaths and showers
Send me commissary, motherfuck them flowers
Thoughts of slaughter, of leaving my daughters
Hours and hours of fears running through my mind
As I pick up the Zig 9
Beef starts with the shove and ends with the shovel
And niggas standing on your corner reminiscing of you
But your ass is out and you're dead and gone
So who'd you rather be?
The murdered, or the murderer?
Niggas got me stressed - I got my Tek and my vest
And I sing who Jah bless, let no man curse
Or one of us will leave here tonight in a hearse
For we'll be tried by 12
And fertilizing daisies
Crying mommas and cousins and crying babies
Due to the fact that death is a must
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust
Niggas getting bust
For in God we trust
So if you're comin to my town and try to slow the dough down
You must be casket-bound

Cause I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6
Nigga
I sign my name on the book at your funeral
The Zig's on my hip with an extra clip
Cause I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6

La-di-da-di
Saturday night and we like to party
The punks are fucking around so we might catch a body
Early Sunday morning, don't really wanna hurt nobody
So what they tryin to get?
I already got it
Chump motherfuckers just a-schemin on my shit
But little do they know I got the Zig on my hip with an extra clip
And I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6
Aw shit - murder commit
And there goes another statistic runnin' through ballistic
The witness say I'm wicked
But that's how I kick it
Cause I'll be the bastard who blasts and didn't get blasted
Boy kiss dem casket
I cut your wig back kid
Sucker, look who died
Body will be identified
Momma and poppa will cry, bitch-ass man says he'll testify
To see me tried, but here's I slide (?)
Upon the same corner that you did
And I'm still facing a bid

Cause I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6
Nigga
I sign my name at the book at your funeral
The Zig's on my hip with an extra clip
Cause I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6

Open Source Jukebox (4, Interesting)

locarecords.com (601843) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286578)

I am not really sure how useful this will be. We are an Open Source music label LOCA RECORDS [locarecords.com] releasing tracks onto Vinyl (as well as old fashioned MP3) and the problem is not that of tracknames and tags etc but of distributing the music itself.

A system is needed to be able to allow users to provide feedback (and hence publicity to new music) and most importantly somehow give the artists some money for the work they produce, afterall they need to eat too.

Re:Open Source Jukebox (2, Interesting)

Eamon C (575973) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287417)

This (or something like it) will be extremely useful for building the next great P2P client. I believe that Audiogalaxy was the best service to fall to RIAA pressure. What made Audiogalaxy so great? The fact that they had a *database* of songs -- you find the track you wanted on Audiogalaxy, and then if another user who had it was online, you could start downloading it from them.

We (P2P users) are learning that any centralized service simply won't be able to dodge the legal bullet for very long. While we have yet to design a decentralized service that doesn't suffer from scaling problems, I'm confident that eventually, somebody will -- it's really the only place to go.

The only way a decentralized P2P network could match the ease-of-use of Audiogalaxy is for its clients to use a separate database of track information. This is exactly what MusicBrainz gives us. Music sharing will once again become as easy as browsing artists and albums, selecting a track, and downloading it from another person (or group of people) that has it.

What we really need it to do... (3, Interesting)

rasteri (634956) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286579)

...is have it store a list of emotions associated with the songs, eg romantic, depressing, happy and so on. You could then build a playlist for whatever mood you were in, or mood you wanted to be in. This is FAR more effective than simply categorising music by genre (in my experience anyway).

I think there is a windows program called Moodlogic that did this but it was closed source, expensive, and it used a proprietery database. It also used the accoustic properties of the song, so it could identify badly-named mp3s.

Re:What we really need it to do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5287640)

mod parent up! I SO wish there were a free equivalent to moodlogic...

OMG - I had no clue! (1)

joel8x (324102) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286586)

I've been wanting to start something similar to this so that musicians and songwriters could collaborate on songs online and share riffs, lyrics, and chord progressions under an open license (letting people freely sample each others creative work as long as their finished product was also "open sourced"). I can't wait to look into this further! This is a great thing indeed.

Re:OMG - I had no clue! (1)

Consul (119169) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287799)

I've been wanting to start something similar to this so that musicians and songwriters could collaborate on songs online and share riffs, lyrics, and chord progressions under an open license (snip)

Myself and a few of the Linux Audio Development folks have started work on what I (for the time being, anyway) call the Open Music Resource Library. I have a SourceForge page up for the dev work at http://sourceforge.net/projects/omrl [sourceforge.net] and a mailing list ready to go at http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/omrl-d evel [sourceforge.net] .

The idea is to share musical "raw materials" for "open musicians", such as loops, sample sets, softsynth patches, and the like.

linux web server hacked (0, Offtopic)

blackmerlin (73932) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286593)

Hey, our web server running e-smith [e-smith.org] (a modified version of redhat) has just been hacked. See http://www.hybridvision.net does anyone here know of these people, or any previous exploits?

blackmerlin

lest we forget... (4, Informative)

big.ears (136789) | more than 11 years ago | (#5286740)

...the .mp3 wars of '00, MusicBrainz has been around a long time, and their 'trm' tech was apparently the stuff used by emusic to stick it to Napster:
cf. slashdot [slashdot.org] and wired [wired.com] .

What about FLAC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5286994)

Is this service compatible with FLAC? I'm considering biting the bullet and FLACing all my CDs. It would be nice if <b>both</b> the FLAC files and the MP3s I rip from FLAC would be tagged using this service.

linux client? (1)

bongoras (632709) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287616)

Please, MusicBrainz people, develop a linux version of your 'tagger' software.

Is the site slow? (1)

DesiDudette (647655) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287818)

Is the musicbrainz site slow or my network connection is bad? I have a high speed connection and its taking almost 2 minutes to get to every page!

Privacy issues? (1)

no_choice (558243) | more than 11 years ago | (#5287868)

So if I use MusicBrainz to tag my music files... won't MusicBrainz then have a list of all my files aong with my IP address? What if the RIAA or some other entity demands to see the list?
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