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Mac OS X 10.2.4 Is Out

pudge posted more than 11 years ago | from the going-live-with-this-as-soon-as-i-finish-downloading dept.

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J. Ventura writes "Mac OS X Update 10.2.4 has been relased. The 10.2.4 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: Address Book, Classic compatibility, Finder, FireWire, Graphics, OpenGL, and Sherlock. It includes AFP and Windows file service improvements, as well as audio, disc recording, graphics, and printing improvements." Get it via Software Update.

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298184)

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Watch your network settings... (4, Informative)

cespi (311612) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298208)

Installing 10.2.4 screwed my network settings. I have my Network preferences panel set to "Manually" configure, but after the upgrade, OS X lost it's memory. The panel still showed the settings correctly, and I repeatedly hit "Apply," but it would not set the parameters.

I had to resort to ifconfig, route, and hand editing /etc/resolv.conf

Thanks Apple!

Re:Watch your network settings... (0)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298406)

Is there any way to install the upgrade without screwing these settings? Did this happen to everyone?

No, this will most certainly not happen... (3, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298485)

...to everyone, and the fact that it happened to this one poster is a fluke. As far as that goes, it shouldn't happen to *anyone*, but as with every OS update, there will be a very, very small subset of people who say "it fouled up my x" or "totally screwed my settings for y", but the vast, vast majority of people have no problems at all.

yep (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298753)

Just to confirm, I can't find anything wrong with my network settings, and I just installed the update, and I certainly didn't have to edit etc/resolv.conf!

Re:Watch your network settings... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298662)

It worked fine for me. Maybe its just *your* system thats screwed up. Thank yourself.

Re:Watch your network settings... (1)

cespi (311612) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299579)

One of the things I value about Slashdot's comments is that before applying upgrades, I can read about people's experiences, so I'm not caught unware if an issue comes up. Different bugs always happen to different people. Sometimes the same problem that affects me affects you, sometimes it doesn't. But that doesn't mean just because yours was fine, everyone else's will be either. I was simply trying to point out what happened to 1 particular system. Nothing more, nothing less. If no one else has this happen to them, GREAT! But that doesn't mean I shouldn't let people know that it's a *possibility*.

Mac OS 10.2.4 (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298225)

Finder is now Cocoa-- notice by the window buttons' lighting, they match iChat and Safari's.

Re:Mac OS 10.2.4 (4, Informative)

Twirlip of the Mists (615030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298657)

Finder is now Cocoa

Oh, boy. Here we go again. Raise your hand if you're unclear on what Cocoa and Carbon mean. Okay, now pay attention:

[localhost:~] twirlip% otool -L Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
Carbon.framework
QuickTime.framework
PowerPlant.framework
DesktopServicesPriv.framework
URLMount.framework
DiskArbitration.framework
DiskImages.framework
CoreFoundation.framework
IOKit.framework
SystemConfiguration.framework
Security.framework
libSystem.B.dylib

Re:Mac OS 10.2.4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299164)

Just make it fool proof... Mach-O != Cocoa

Don't forget... (5, Informative)

mgaiman (151782) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298280)

After the update, it is probably a good idea to fix your permissions (which can be done via the Disk Utility).

Re:Don't forget... (5, Informative)

wtmcgee (113309) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298359)

definately. this usually makes a huge difference, because things just seem to get screwed up from time to time after big software updates. i don't know enough about all that to know *why* they get screwy, but i do know the first thing i do after a OS update is permission repair.

obviously, if you want to be super 31337, you can just type sudo diskutil repairpermissions / in console.

Re:Don't forget... (4, Funny)

Twirlip of the Mists (615030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298678)

obviously, if you want to be super 31337, you can just type sudo diskutil repairpermissions / in console.

Actually, the super 31337 among us just copied-and-pasted what you'd already typed. ;-)

Re:Don't forget... (1)

snero3 (610114) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299612)

Better yet, the super super 31337 among us already had a termnal open in which we did a sudo -s days ago so we didn't need to do another sudo :)

Re:Don't forget... (2, Informative)

qengho (54305) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299684)

sudo diskutil repairpermissions / in console

I tried that on two of my machines and it quit partway through with errors on both. Running the GUI Disk Utility worked fine, though. Odd.

Yay! (4, Interesting)

asparagus (29121) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298293)

They fixed the bloody bug where everything on the desktop got moved when you dropped something on the edges.

OSeXy!

-Brett

Re:Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298413)

THANK GOODNESS!!!!!

that was pissing me off

Much faster (5, Informative)

Rouxfus (567556) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298300)

I was about to switch back to Eudora, which I'd been using since 1994. I gave Mail a try for the last couple of months because of the Junk mail filter, but I was starting to wonder if Eudora and Spam Sieve wouldn't give me my speedy email back. Mail was slow changing from email to email.

10.2.4 seems to have fixed the problem - much snappier performance in Mail, and NetNewsWire (going from headline to headline was sometimes sluggish.)

No problems on the update that I've noticed so far...

Mail vs. SpamSieve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299633)

Apropos of Mail vs. Eudora + SpamSieve, a friend of mine has been alternating between the one arrangement and the other. Mail is prettier but produces false positives for spam, which ain't good. Eudora looks dated (though familiar) but SpamSieve has not produced one false positive for him (or for me, for that matter).

So far, SpamSieve is in the lead...

solid release... (2, Informative)

wtmcgee (113309) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298338)

nothing new or revolutionary.... but things just seem to be a bit snappier (i know most people will say, "thats just the prebinding after the install"...), mainly things like redrawing windows when i resize them, or scrolling speeds and what not. also, i'm glad they made address book act like most other os x apps, after you close the app, it still runs in the dock until you close it.

all in all, nothing special, just seems like they squashed a lot of bugs and added some behind the scenes goodness.

Re:solid release... (1)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298947)

If, every time someone said the new release was noticeably snappier it really was, then my 550MHz PowerBook would be the fastest machine on the planet. Needless to say, it's not.

Re:solid release... (2)

wtmcgee (113309) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299110)

sounds like your the exception, not the rule.

i didn't say that all of a sudden when i use photoshop, i can apply filters at some insanely faster rate, or that iMovie rendering is 200000x faster.

scrolling seems smoother in apps which have a scrollbar, and resizing windows is a bit snappier.

not without issues (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298341)

hmmm... trashed my php install on my desktop machine (overwrites httpd.conf) and now my TiBook can't boot because of kernel panics.

I thought I'd be more pissed, but frankly I've had so few update problems with OS X I figure I must be ahead.

I

iChat Changes (1)

seigel (94101) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298347)

They did something to iChat but I can't tell what they did yet. Can anyone see what that is yet?

It moved on the dock, that is how I can tell. I realised that it sounded like i was psychic back there.

Re:iChat Changes (3, Informative)

PeekabooCaribou (544905) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298405)

Apple uses a .plist file to add certain things to the Dock. It does stuff like "Change the pathname of this Dock app", or "Insert this app after the Finder". It was probably applied after your update.

I believe it's located in the Dock.app bundle, if anybody wants to poke around.

Mail bug (1)

itwerx (165526) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298352)

Anybody know if they fixed the bug in mail where if you mistakenly create two accounts with the same email address and delete one it deletes all the associated emails?

Re:Mail bug (4, Funny)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298628)

Anybody know if they fixed the bug in mail where if you mistakenly create two accounts with the same email address and delete one it deletes all the associated emails?

Actually, I fixed that bug myself.

Here's the patch: don't do that again.

Sorry for the flip comment, but c'mon... did you really want to test that particular 'feature' again just to see if they fixed it?

Re:Mail bug (4, Informative)

itwerx (165526) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299280)

It's actually pretty easy to do if you have your own domain and have a bunch of dummy accounts setup so you can "send as" each one. Whenever you make a new one you have to put in the correct mail server info (so it will send) and it will default to the settings it already knows about from the original account.
It's easy enough to change to something bogus for the username (since one never needs to collect through more than one account, only send) but if you forget you're hosed! The only way to undo your mistake is to backup the mail folder, do your delete and then restore it...
A minor annoyance once one is aware of it but a bit of a pisser the first time.

Re:Mail bug (5, Informative)

Onan (25162) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299510)

There's a much easier way to send mail from multiple addresses: in the account config, specify as many addresses as you like, comma-separated. They'll all appear in the account pop-up menu at compose time, using the first by default.

It's quite useful, though I can't imagine how anyone's expected to figure out that it's there. And still not quite as flexible as being able to just edit the From: field directly, of course.

Re:Mail bug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298766)

Hum. Not something I'd test. But Mail.app still doesn't know how to thread messages (sorting by Subject: is an abject way to follow threads, and doesn't really count).

Changes in httpd.conf (4, Informative)

MonsterChicharo (568866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298360)

The update replaced Apache's httpd.conf and saved the old version as httpd.conf.applesaved. The problem is that the new httpd.conf has the PHP module commented out, and apparently the PHP module is not included. Anyone else having this problem or my installation that is broken?

It now includes Apple's mod_rendezvous (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298626)

Check out my HOWTO [against.org] for enabling PHP (written for newbies) and some (scarce) info on Apple's mod_rendezvous.

Re:It now includes Apple's mod_rendezvous (1)

subuni (264682) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298757)

Yes, your information was rather scarce. As you had posted on your site, the entry in the httpd.conf looks like:

<IfModule mod_rendezvous_apple.c>
RegisterUserSite all-users
RegisterDefaultSite
</IfModule>

Quickly looking at /usr/libexec/httpd/mod_rendezvous_apple.so, looks like it has the three following options:

RegisterDefaultSite
Optionally, specify a port or keyword main; defaults to 80
RegisterUserSite
Specify a user name or the keyword all-users, optionally followed by a port or keyword main; default is 80
RegisterResource
Specify a path and a name under which to register, optionally followed by a port or keyword main; default is 80

Thanks, just added that to my notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298795)

Please feel free to edit my Wiki to add more info.

Re:Changes in httpd.conf (2, Informative)

tweder (22759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298655)

Updating to 10.2.4 replaced my Apache config file too, but simply uncommenting the PHP module in the new httpd.conf fixed it for me.

I'm still running Apple's default PHP build rather than a new compilation.

Re:Changes in httpd.conf (2, Informative)

wtmcgee (113309) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298689)

Reverting the 'new' apache config back to my old apache config with:

cp httpd.conf.applesaved httpd.conf

then restarting apache did the trick.

DON'T overwite the config! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298713)

You just destroyed your mod_rendezvous config, and a few subtle changes to the httpd.conf layout.

Re:Changes in httpd.conf (1)

snero3 (610114) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299563)

I know that it replaced the httpd.conf file but I am pretty sure it didn't do anything else. All my additions to apache as still there. All you have to do is either

  • merge your orginal file back in
  • merge the apple rendezvous stuff into your .conf file
  • just copy you old .conf back to httpd.conf if you don't want rendezvous enable

then restart apache

easy as mate.

short list of bugs? (4, Informative)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298362)

I've always been impressed that Apple's patches for Mac OS X fix such a short list of not-too-serious bugs. Microsoft's Windows service packs, on the other hand, often fix hundreds of serious bugs. And Windows service packs seem to get increasingly unstable in later service packs.

Re:short list of bugs? (2, Insightful)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298750)

I have IE 5.5 on my system. Every time I go into "Windows Update", the system says that "CRITICAL UPDATE: You must upgrade to IE6", but then they don't say WHY this is a critical update, other then it supports the MS marketing machine.

I'll upgrade to 6 when it's a little more mature, thank you very much.

Re:short list of bugs? (4, Interesting)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298985)

Note that Apple don't appear (to me at least) to tell the truth about what bugs they've fixed. I think 10.1.2 was really buggy for me. It used to kernel panic, fail to wake up from sleep and generally be unreliable. With 10.1.3 these problems went away. No mention of any of this in the detailed description of what they'd fixed.

Re:short list of bugs? (5, Interesting)

bo-eric (263735) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299099)

If you want the really detailed changelog for why kernel panics go away, check the Darwin cvslog.

Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version (4, Interesting)

AnamanFan (314677) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298370)

"Rendezvous-enabled computers that have Personal Web Sharing turned on appear in the Safari Rendezvous bookmark collection."

Taking a quick look at the Rendezvous bookmarks on Safari, I see a bookmark for each user made on my mac ("User's website") and then the one made by Eric Christopher [mac.com] is still present. Admitabally, it doesn't seem that they used Eric's mod, but I can't be 100% about it.

It isn't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298749)

It's kinda hard to use something you don't have source [sourceforge.net] for. It does have some parameters to register each user's site on Rendezvous (so you can see them on Safari), but no docs I could find. Check out my notes [against.org] on it.

Re:Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299275)

why would this matter? are they significantly different to care?

Re:Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299657)

Well, since Eric got a high amount of press, it's a honest question to ask or think about, and not out of line to report on via comments.

Re:Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299333)

It doesn't appear to be Eric C's mod.

Here's what I had to say on it over at macslash [macslash.org] .

Bug fixed? (1)

avalys (221114) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298373)

I've been encountering a problem in the Applications folder where, if I'm using the icons view style and I ask it to arrange the icons, it puts a large block of empty space between the top 2/3 and bottom 1/3 of my icons. Sometimes there's an app in the empty space, mostly not. Anyone know if this is a bug or just an undocumented "feature"? In any case, are there any workarounds?

But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (1)

justzisguy (573704) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298378)

Everything went smoothly I'm happy to report. I'm still going through my personal list of bugs to see how many of them were fixed, but it appears to be a solid release!

Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (2, Informative)

justzisguy (573704) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298415)

They did fix that nasty hang when browsing an SMB volume that is suddenly disconnected.

Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (2, Informative)

MonsterChicharo (568866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298438)

No, it has not been fixed. I tested it, and my computer became unresponsive for a while. Trying to umount the device resulted in an error message, yet mount shows it.

It is a nasty bug, alright.

Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (1)

justzisguy (573704) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298532)

It stood unresponsive for 5-10 seconds, then the volume just disappeared and without a word from the Finder, everything was back to normal.

Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (1, Troll)

tupps (43964) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299370)

My guess is that Tabs on Safari will be released as a must have when it is release, thereby generating a bit of news and excitment in the community.

Slash dot loads like screaming bullet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298525)

Wow browsing the web is as fast as Steves demo was...yay

Perfect upgrade. The finder is much faster on my iBook and my fathers G3 blue-n-white.......Apple kicks ass

nVidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298529)

Does anyone know if the drivers for the nVidia cards in the Ti1ghz models have been updated? I recall that in 10.2.3 the ti 1ghz' were still using the old drivers.

Almost ok for me (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298620)

I did a remote/command line update and held my breath to see if the box would come back. It came up ok a few moments later. Apache seems ok...PERL is ok...PHP is broken. Nothing I can't fix.

Java still old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298669)

After update:

%java -version
java version "1.3.1"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1-root_1.3.1_020714-12:46)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.3.1_03-69, mixed mode)

Re:Java still old (5, Informative)

Twirlip of the Mists (615030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298696)

Apple's Java 1.4.1 is in developer preview now. If you want it, you can get yourself an ADC account-- they're free; sign up here [apple.com] -- and go to the "Download Software" area of the ADC site.

Java 1.4.1 is at developer preview 8 right now, so it's not Sir Crashalot or anything, but it's not finished, either. No lifeguard on duty; swim at your own risk.

Re:Java still old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299189)

Don't forget that Apple's license terms for Prototype software apply to Developer Previews, especially this obnoxious clause:

5. Verification of Compliance. You agree that authorized Apple representatives, with 24 hours advance notice, may inspect the location where the Prototype is stored, the Prototype and copies of other Confidential Information and your Prototype access log during your normal business hours in order to verify that you are complying with your obligations under this Agreement.

I emailed Apple and asked what kind of beer Apple representatives like, so I can have some the fridge if they come by, but they haven't replied yet! :-(

What about laptop power management??? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5298758)

I'm getting kind of tired of my iBook bitching at me that it's running on reserve power, when the battery is at more than 75% full. Even worse when it just goes to sleep with NO WARNING shortly after the spurious battery warning, and won't wake up until I plug it in.

I know I'm not the only one who has seen these kinds of problems with OS X-- the iBook power management was rock-solid in OS 9.x.

Re:What about laptop power management??? (2, Informative)

drive (621617) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298910)

i had this problem too. many people have. it seems to be a hardware problem with the battery. i took my ibook to the apple store in soho. i told them what was up, they gave me a new battery (under warranty) in 10 minutes and i went home. since then i haven't had any more problems. give apple a call about your problem. you might have to bitch a little but hopefully they'll send you a new battery.

Re:What about laptop power management??? (1)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299142)

It's good to hear I'm not the only one with this problem. I just returned from my local Apple store with my third battery in a year due to the same symptoms. The first one went blooey after 4 months or so, and this last one about the same. I wonder if it's bad batteries, or something else?

Re:What about laptop power management??? (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299352)

I haven't seen the problem at all, and I've been using 2 laptops, a tibook and an iBook.

Re:What about laptop power management??? (1)

Xcapee (625058) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299204)

Consider resetting your power manager. There is an Apple KB article about how to do it on different laptops.

Sorry, don't have the link.

Re:What about laptop power management??? (4, Informative)

brass1 (30288) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299221)

Try resetting the PMU [apple.com] . You'll have to reset the time, but it seems to correct a large number of problems with power management.

AFP Updates? (1)

DarkBlack (5773) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298930)

How about fixing the random closing of connections to AFP Servers? Every install that I have seen seems to do this. I know that Apple is trying to phase out AFP, but shouldn't they support their own protocols?

Crap... it killed my PHP setup... again. (1)

dasspunk (173846) | more than 11 years ago | (#5298979)

Sigh...

OS X Updates always kill PHP. I wish they would stop overwriting my httpd.conf and killing off my PHP setup.

Re:Crap... it killed my PHP setup... again. (2, Informative)

coolmacdude (640605) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299098)

It didn't overwrite it. The old file was saved as httpd.conf.applesaved

Copacetic (1)

qengho (54305) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299023)

Doesn't seem to break the third-party utils I use (FruitMenu and WindowShade X [unsanity.com] and LaunchBar [obdev.at] ). Also doesn't restore my iBook 500 to pre-10.1.5 performance levels, but I need an excuse to get an AlBook anyway...

Broken Softwore Update? (2, Interesting)

PetWolverine (638111) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299114)

Maybe something is wrong with my Software Update, but it's not showing that there's an update available for OS X. It didn't show yesterday's Safari update, either--I had to download that from Apple's Web site manually.

Or maybe it's the fact that I'm running OS X Server--does anyone know if the update to Server has come out yet?

Broken Software Update? (1)

PetWolverine (638111) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299156)

This update doesn't appear in my Software Update preference pane. Nor did yesterday's Safari update. Is anyone else having this problem? Is it a problem with my Software Update, or is it the fact that I'm on OS X Server? Is the update for 10.2.4 Server not out yet? That still wouldn't explain the problem with the Safari update.

Perhaps I should trash my Software Update prefs and try again.

Re:Broken Software Update? (1)

PetWolverine (638111) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299168)

Sorry about the duplicate. Slashdot wouldn't load for me for about 10 minutes. When I went to see if I could load it again, I checked to see if my previous attempt at commenting had succeeded, and didn't see the comment...but of course once I repost it, there it is! Oh well.

Just a warning (-1, Offtopic)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299186)

Slashdot user 'danamania' is a transexual.

If anyone is talking to him remember this. Guy's beware as you might think you are talking to a female but remember chromosmomes cannot be changed.

This is wrong and attention should be called.

A Warning to slashdot user's (-1, Troll)

amigaluvr (644269) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299197)

Slashdot user 'danamania' is a transexual.

If anyone is talking to him remember this. Guy's beware as you might think you are talking to a female but remember chromosmomes cannot be changed.

This is wrong and attention should be called.

Mac us OUT! ... of the closet (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299292)

Dear Apple,

I am a homosexual. I bought an Apple computer because of its well earned reputation for being "the" gay computer. Since I have become an Apple owner, I have been exposed to a whole new world of gay friends. It is really a pleasure to meet and compute with other homos such as myself. I plan on using my new Apple computer as a way to entice and recruit young schoolboys into the homosexual lifestyle; it would be so helpful if you could produce more software which would appeal to young boys. Thanks in advance.

with much gayness,

Father Randy "Pudge" O'Day, S.J.

Another Ho-Hum Update (2, Interesting)

spaceport (188705) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299406)

Well, I just finished applying a bunch of system patches to my 2K box at work (no choice), and have witnessed, much to my dismay, the return of what I call the 'Instant Death' bug. I click, or open one of two applications (my two 'big' apps), then watch the memory count up on a black screen, with an energy star logo for entertainment. This happens 5-10 times a day, for the last 2 days since I updated.

I just installed OS X 10.2.4 at home, and surely will do so tomorrow on the (good) machines at work! As per the usual with these things, I don't really notice what it did. And that is good.

I mean really, since when should a system update f&#k so badly with the (presumably) graphics subsystems that it breaks, and breaks really, really badly, apps that have gotten along just fine for about a year?

Now I am likely going to have to install 2K again from the CD, losing huge chunks of my preferences, hacks and such that had been running (stably ??) for the year, like the ones that disabled that horrid windows key that always to masquerade as an apple key (I do have a nice keyboard ; ) and made a control key like it should be (email me for this one, it is incredibly nice). Well, if I don't lose 'em, at least I am going to have to find every, single, bloody one of them that made that horrid os tolerable (though still not by choice).

Just to bring things full circle, I did once have to re-install jaguar after having screwed pretty badly some of the boot files (completely my bad). I remember the horror when I realised that the only hope was a reinstall. I also remember the sheer joy as I discovered that every bloody single preference, login item, font, and what-not was exactly as I left it, and functioning perfectly.

I always get excited at mac update time : )

--

"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety." -- Isaac Asimov

10.2.4 Ate My Finder (1)

OrionParadox (218886) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299420)

not sure why, or how to get it out of the belly of the beast, but I am no longer able to run finder. Most other apps run fine from the dock which also works. Anyone have any suggestions? Repair permissions fixed a lot of permissions, but still no joy in whoville.

Re:10.2.4 Ate My Finder (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299530)

Create a new user...logon as said new user. If the Finder is still OTL, consider fresh install. If not, consider corrupted permissions, and how you proceed depends on your skills. You do have a backup of your system folders, eh :)

VBL is still totally busted (1)

arekusu (159916) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299532)

10.2.4 includes new ATI Radeon drivers (v 1.2.12.11) but they don't fix vbl-sync in windows which 10.2.3 broke. This is really awful, every operation (dragging windows, scrolling, quicktime, etc etc) exhibits noticable tearing and gives me a headache.

I can't understand why Apple/ATI did not fix this, every version of OS X UP TO 10.2.2 syncs to VBL perfectly, how can they ignore this?!

Re:VBL is still totally busted (1)

cespi (311612) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299675)

I have an ATI 7000 AGP and ATI 7500 PCI and don't get any of this tearing on either one, in 10.2.3 or 10.2.4?

oh boy, another free upgrade (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299559)

and for another $110, you can let apple fuck you up the ass

Re:oh boy, another free upgrade (1)

presearch (214913) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299608)

...and some people just have to bitch.

Even if it's another $150 for 10.3, it would be worth it.
OS X is the world's best operating system.

Money well spent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5299642)

I understand now why Windows user bitch so much...I've been using XP for a month now and yea it sucks big time. I don't seem to feel this way about OS X and I will glady pay for 10.3 and any other system Apple comes out with.. if and only if its this good or better.

10.2.4 startup panic FIX (5, Informative)

punka (81040) | more than 11 years ago | (#5299560)

Those of you that installed Apple's preview IP over Firewire drivers back in the day might have the same problem I did:

Kernel panic upon reboot.

Apparently they broke the kext's support in 'updating firewire'

Just reboot holding down apple-s , that'll drop you into single-user mode, run the obligatory /sbin/fsck -y then /sbin/mount -uw /
then get rid of the FirewireIP kext by
mv /System/Library/Extensions/IOFireWireIP.kext/ /
Trash it or do what you will with it after you successfully reboot.
Hope this helps!
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