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hand? (4, Funny)

D4Vr4nt (615027) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332487)

..Like the sound of one hand clapping?

Re:hand? (1)

AyeFly (242460) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332504)

heh, i can clap with one hand. lock your wrist back, while keeping your fingers loose. shake vigorously. your fingers should slap your palm, therefore your clapping with one hand.

Re:hand? (1)

Jardine (398197) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332565)

Or you can just clap with one hand like Bart does: hit the palm of your hand with your fingertips

Re:hand? (1)

demo9orgon (156675) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332620)

Ahem...actually, that's the secret slashdot NERD handshake that you're talking about...you need to be careful whom you perform that feat around or you'll be single for life.

Remember, you've been warned. :-D
Cheers!

Re:hand? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332556)

I know I cry out in agony every time a tree falls in the woods, and I'm not there.

It's sympathetic pains of the dog in me feeling for the bark that is torn away.

That's got to be it.

Noise i can't hear? (4, Funny)

thoolie (442789) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332497)

>>emotions are affected by noises they cannot hear

I can say that i really understand this one. When my fionce' is REALLY, REALLY pissed, and i KNOW she should be saying something, but instead is just looking at me like i killed Jesus.....

That noise, the one that she is making in her head, the one i can't hear (and god, thank you), really affects my emotions.....not to mention my near term sex life! ;-)

Re:Noise i can't hear? (4, Funny)

EatHam (597465) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332582)

if you are looking to get rid of the silent treatment, try the following:

"Oh, the silent treatment? Good. Now I finally have some peace and quiet."

Guaranteed to put a loud and immediate stop to the silent treatment.

Maybe it's good... (4, Funny)

andyring (100627) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332503)

Well, if our emotions are affected by what we cannot hear, maybe it's a blessing in disguise that my new car stereo got ripped off on Sunday (from the church parking lot during service, nonetheless, bastards.....)

Re:Maybe it's good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332528)

those dirty heathen Arabs! lets bomb them I say!!

Re:Maybe it's good... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332581)

I think it's pretty clear God hates you. Sorry.

Less sensational title: (3, Insightful)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332505)

The effects of powerful but inaudible vibrations on the human body and nervous system...

Hell, I bet you could even make their ears bleed if you juice it up enough.

Re:Less sensational title:-Bend me,shape me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332562)

"Hell, I bet you could even make their ears bleed if you juice it up enough."

Most modern music will do that.

Seriously I wonder if this can be used in psychological warfare? Bombard Saddam with this on a regular basis.

Re:Less sensational title:-Bend me,shape me. (4, Interesting)

EatHam (597465) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332610)

It can be used as non-lethal technology...
By using very low frequency electromagnetic radiation -- the waves way below radio frequencies on the electromagnetic spectrum -- he [Eldon Byrd] found he could induce the brain to release behavior-regulating chemicals. "We could put animals into a stupor," he says by hitting them with these frequencies. "We got chick brains -- in vitro -- to dump 80 percent of the natural opioids in their brains,'"Byrd says. He even ran a small project that used magnetic fields to cause certain brain cells in rats to release histamine. In humans, this would cause instant flulike symptoms and produce nausea. "These fields were extremely weak. They were undetectable," says Byrd. "The effects were nonlethal and reversible. You could disable a person temporarily," Byrd hypothesizes. "It [would have been] like a stun gun."
Ripped off from here [datafilter.com]

Re:Less sensational title:-Bend me,shape me. (2, Funny)

Snoopy77 (229731) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332650)

Seriously I wonder if this can be used in psychological warfare? Bombard Saddam with this on a regular basis.

Why bombard him with soundless music when we can bombard him with tasteless music. 24/7 of N-Sync should pound him into submission.

Re:Less sensational title: (2, Insightful)

xaxat (309420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332573)

I agree, the concept of inaudible is important here because while individuals may not be able to ackowldge hearing certain souds, that does not mean that it does not have an effect.

I can not see if ultraviolet, but it has an effect on my body.

Re:Less sensational title: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332663)

It even has an effect on your vision. The blur that comes from your eyes' inability to focus near-ultraviolet is perceived, even consciously. Without it a bright light source would still look glary, but in a slightly different way.

This is why reproduction media never really reproduce - you can imply the presence of, say, a big bright explosion, but you certainly can't simulate it. I laugh (ha! I say) at people who claim "96kHz is way more than enough to reproduce anything you can hear" or some such. Sensation and perception don't work like that.

Does it also apply to... (1)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332506)

.. sounds we block out ourselves?

It would go a long way to explaining why talking to my mother still pains me, even after I drone her out..

New Present (1)

cranos (592602) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332507)

Gotta remember to get one of those cannon thingies for next valentines day. Turn it on at just the right time and whammo. ;)

Wham!!! (1)

neurostar (578917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332527)

...Turn it on at just the right time and whammo. ;)

I hope you weren't refering to this part of the article: "Those feeling uncomfortable when the concert began, found their mood turning to anger."

Because then the whammo might be a door slamming, or a back-hand slamming ;)

Re:New Present (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332544)

And then what, hope that your hand gives you a big kiss?

Re:New Present (1)

trmj (579410) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332661)

From the artice:

"a 12m-long, 30cmwide drainpipe cannon"

From the post:

"get one of those cannon thingies for next valentines day"

Hmm... you wouldn't be compensating for something, would you?

A lil something in the food, maybe... (3, Funny)

citking (551907) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332513)

Those feeling uncomfortable when the concert began, found their mood turning to anger.

Some physical affects were also experienced, including tingling in the back of the neck and a strange feeling in the stomach.

Is it just me, or do you get the feeling that the pre-concert banquet might've been contaminated with something?

IG-nobel Prize for sure! (1)

cybercuzco (100904) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332516)

I nominate them for an ig-nobel prize [improb.com]

Re:IG-nobel Prize for sure! (2, Interesting)

gaeamer (644562) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332717)

You sound rather dismissive. Why would this be fundamentally different than the effects of ultrasound? That can be used to achieve diagnostic imaging and therapeutic effects on soft tissues.

Why would other physical effects for infrasound be so unbelievable/preposterous/trivial?

Considering their mention of a possible rational cause for "haunted" emotional states, I'd say that they're working from a good perspective; and the potential could be very lucrative, scientifically speaking, but potentially nasty, commercially--imagine a little joy-inducing infrasonic emitter either in honeymoon suites at a major hotel chain ("Oh, BABY!!! Best sex EVER!!!"), or on shopping carts, set to go off when a customer pauses in a given aisle in the supermarket, "driving up sales" (indeed!). You might just go cuckoo for Cocao Puffs

G.

Playing Dungeons and Dragons games on the computer sort of compounds the dorkiness, compressing it, and shaping it into a monument that gets beaten up at lunch. --Tycho, www.penny-arcade.com

Paul Simon Reigns Supreme? (4, Funny)

Sagarian (519668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332517)

The Sound of Silence, indeed.

Re:Paul Simon Reigns Supreme? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332681)

from the imitating-paul-simon dept.

We'll be charitable and assume you were subliminally affected. ;)

Standing waves.. (5, Interesting)

jasno (124830) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332521)

I wonder if the individual experiences were determined by the location in which the listener sat. It would seem that standing waves could form, with some people getting blasted, while others feel nothing.

Not a very technical article, but interesting nonetheless.

Practice makes rejects

Parallel walls? (2, Informative)

pompomtom (90200) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332614)

Standing waves are created by parallel reflecting surfaces.

Gakk... site is now /.ed, and I didn't note the site of the experiment, but I can't imagine you'd test this in a place likely to be effected by standing waves.

Re:Parallel walls? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332639)

besides, at the frequencies they are talking about, the wavelength would be well over 80 feet, so the resonating zone distance whatever thing would have to be really big, or else outside.

Maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332530)

... their emotions (mainly anger) are caused by not being ABLE to hear the sounds.

Maybe I can get a research grant for taking people and changing their emotions via wavelengths of light that nobody can see.

Sound makes no difference (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332539)

Yeah - this probably explains why my girlfriend's mood changes the same way whether I fart silently or not...

Sixth Column (5, Interesting)

Kafir (215091) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332542)

In Robert Heinlein's Sixth Column the good guys (defending America against Pan-Asian invaders) use "subsonics" to make people uneasy. That's what this study says "infrasound" (same thing, different name) would do: make people who were already nervous more nervous, without their knowing why.
I assumed this was already well known science; the other possibility is that Heinlein was uncannily prescient (even for him.)
Anyone have more background on this?

First subliminal messages... (1)

Rtech (647652) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332545)

Now infrasound messages. Only... would a tinfoil hat work against these sounds, or just amplify them?

No Control Group? (5, Insightful)

Fly (18255) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332549)

It would be an interesting experiment if they had a control group. The end of the story mentions some things they want to try, but if there was any type of control group, I didn't see it mentioned in the story.

Speaker (1)

WaaX (651629) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332551)

The infrasound vibrations were created by an ultra-low loudspeaker inside a 12m-long, 30cmwide drainpipe cannon
I wish they have more details about that. My neighboor would love it!

I thought science content was going to be withheld (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332553)

so terrorists couldn't use the information against us.

I'd rather see a crazy person running at me with a grenade than blasting me with music I can't hear that makes me mad.

old hat... (1)

jarn (250213) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332554)

Surely this has been known about for over a half century. One of Robert Heinlein's earliest novels, Sixth Column/The day after tomorrow contains examples of using subliminal music to frighten the occupying forces.

Hmmmm... (2, Funny)

meme_police (645420) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332555)

...when I feel the walls shake to the beat of some faraway b-boy with boom boom speakers filling up the back seat of their lame import I feel nothing but anger.

Gas up the Mystery Machine, Scoob! (5, Funny)

FearUncertaintyDoubt (578295) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332557)

Some scientists also claim it is the cause of the uneasy feelings and changes of emotion experienced in places believed to be haunted.

Mr O'Keefe added: "When places affect people physically and they aren't able to explain it, they often attribute their feelings to being near a ghost."

And I would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!

Sound (2, Funny)

jmulvey (233344) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332558)

"They showed the audience's emotions intensified as the inaudible sound vibrations, too low for the human ear to perceive, were blasted out during a 50-minute piano recital... Some physical affects were also experienced, including tingling in the back of the neck and a strange feeling in the stomach."

Inanimate objects were also strangely affected by jumping off countertops, showing their incredible, pitiful anguish for the music's deep feelings. Buildings showed their emotion by creating cracks in their foundations, no doubt in sympathy for the bifircated feelings expressed in song.

In other news... (1)

silvaran (214334) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332559)

An arbitrary experiment in contentless websites has revealed how people's emotions are unaffected by websites they cannot see...

Wait for it.... ah... slashdotted.

Re:In other news... (1)

trmj (579410) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332700)

slashdotted, 56k modem, what's the differece? takes about the same time to load.

Yeah. There's absolutely NOTHING available. Not even 1-way cable. Anybody got an (affordale) apartment for rent?

John Cage (4, Interesting)

FosterSJC (466265) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332568)

This is reminiscent of some of John Cage's avante-garde work. Here is the AMG write-up [allmusic.com].
While his creations did not use inaudible sound explicitly, he is famous for his 4'33", a piece of this length completely silent. I have a friend who saw it "performed" live, and he was apparently quite moved. The pianist sits down at the piano, lifts the key-gaurd, and prepares to play. The performer remains attentive at the keys for 4 minutes and 33 seconds, then finishes and closes the key-guard.
My friend said he was struck by how open he became to the sounds around him, to the concertgoers. These were things he'd never heard before. And there was an order to it, that was somehow created from all of the audience members intensely focused on eachother.

Sonny Bono strikes again (3, Informative)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332598)

Cage's estate actually won a lawsuit [about.com] over the copyright on this work. Apparently, the estate now has a legal precedent on owning all musical works composed entirely of rests.


Sonny Bono is the personification of counter-productive copyright law.

Re:Sonny Bono strikes again (2, Informative)

kfg (145172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332688)

They did not win a lawsuit. The parties reached agreement without litigation, both sides, in fact ( as is often the case in such matters), claiming victory.

If Mr. Bat had not explicitly given partial author's credit to Mr. Cage on the album the whole thing would likely never have come up in the first place.

What seems to have ticked off Cage's heirs is the implication that Mr. Bat and Mr. Cage had collaborated on the piece and was thus trading on his reputation without authority.

*Not* that he had simply recorded a silent piece.

KFG

Re:John Cage (4, Funny)

cornjchob (514035) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332690)

Well, my favorite work of Johnny Cage was the uppercut when you were on the bridge as a finishing move--bam! A punch to the crotch, and you were lying on your back in 3 foot tall spikes. Now that's a sound you hear over and over.

could this be related to depression? (2, Interesting)

jasonrocks (634868) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332569)

Scientists have begun analysing the responses of 250 people who took part in the study into the effects of infrasound, carried out at Liverpool's Metropolitan Cathedral last September. They showed the audience's emotions intensified as the inaudible sound vibrations, too low for the human ear to perceive, were blasted out during a 50-minute piano recital.


This sounds an awful lot like depression, the intensified emotions that is. I know this is a little early to tell, but could these experiments help us understand depression a bit more?

Brown noise? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332574)

And right in the middle of a Clarinet solo.... "Ppbpbpbppbpbt! ppt. pbbbpbt!" Piles and piles.... Everywhere....

Worse noises you can't hear but ..... (4, Funny)

Chris_Stankowitz (612232) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332575)

changes your mood poll.

1) The Silent Fart
2) The Wife/Girlfirend
3) That sound you *know* Uncle Sam makes as he dips into your pocket
4) The sound of your carrer flushing down the bowl post bubble.
5) The sound of my Karma flushing down the bowl after this post.
6)Cowbow Neal's Silent Farts

that silent pianist dude... (1)

scubacuda (411898) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332577)

Maybe this explains why people like that silent pianist dude so much.

People would pay good money to see this guy sit down at a piano and NOT play it!

(Anyone remember his name?)

Re:that silent pianist dude... (1)

cornjchob (514035) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332702)

John Cage

He "wrote" 4'33"--a song that consisted of a pianist sitting down, act like hes intent on playing for 4 minutes and 33 seconds, and then get up. Crazy shit. Good ol' 7th grade General Music class. I knew it would come in handy somewhere.

Re:that silent pianist dude... (1)

scubacuda (411898) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332713)

cool...thanks dude.

(I had better things to do in 7th grade...like daydream of getting back home to play Nintendo!)

Did this violate copyright? (2, Interesting)

po_boy (69692) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332583)

I wonder if they had to pay royalties to those who have copyrighted silence [slashdot.org].

Re:Did this violate copyright? (1)

fatboyslack (634391) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332634)

Dammit, I was going to reference that slashdot article and put in a witty comment. But as a first I decided to first read what other people wrote, then write my witty, easy karma scamming comment. ( a first for /.?) Thanks for nuthin' po boy!
/sarcasm
/lame knowledge of hmtl

Re:Did this violate copyright? (2, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332714)

No, because the two works share absolutely no similarity. In the case of the John Cage piece the pianist makes *no* noise for four minutes and thirtythree seconds, focusing the attention of the audience on the noises they themselves are making. ( And as an aside the piece isn't properly performed unless the pianist enters the hall, sits, opens the keyboard, THEN remains silent, and finishes the piece by closing the keyboard and taking a bow. That is how it is explicitly written)

In *this* case a piano is playing with a really low bass note underneath. Even deleting the piano a note is still being played, whether you can hear it or not.

KFG

Ack! (3, Insightful)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332585)

Those are the same responses one would expect with any audience coming to attend an experimental performance. Some would slowly get angry as they began to feel that their time had been wasted. Some would feel amused at watching the rest of the audience. Some would feel conspiritorial as they thought they realized the intent of what was happening - most Music 101 courses have a lecture mentioning experiments where a minute of silence is considered a work of art, where the "music" is the audiences reaction itself.

Don't expect any radical advancements into generalized knowledge about human emotional reaction based on this evidence.

Ryan Fenton

Slashdot has been doing this for... (4, Funny)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332586)

quite some time now. How many times have you actually read an OS-specific article and feel a strong urge to either back up comments promoting the stability or other "good" criteria of your OS of choice or lambast arguments mentioned by supporters of other OSs?

Almost every time? Heh, poor mortals... I bet you never view the source for the particular article now, didn't you? How else can you miss the <EMBED FILE="/sounds/brainwash/BSD_is_dead.wav" TYPE="sound/propaganda-OS_activism">.

Don't bother checking the pages now... I'm sure the Slashdot gods have now detected my blasphemous post and deleted such references accordingly.

bothersome eh? (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332587)

Those feeling uncomfortable when the concert began, found their mood turning to anger.
[...]
During the concert, guests were asked to fill in questionnaires

I know I tend to get a lil' angry when I'm asked to fill in questionnaires while I'm trying to enjoy a concert...
;- )

Experimental Noise Has Been Here Already (5, Informative)

zazas_mmmm (585262) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332594)

This is nothing new to listeners of avante garde noise rock.

John Zorn experimented with high pitched frequencies outside of listeners' auditory range on Krystallnacht [amazon.com]. Track 2 has high pitched frequencies that coexist with the sound of breaking glass that cause feelings of anger, pain and nausea. The liner notes discourage repeated listening (I kid you not).

The Flaming Lips Did this on Zaireeka [amazon.com], their 4-CD (played simultaneously) experiment--wherein they used frequencies lower than the normal auditory range to create feelings of disorientation (funny since the Flaming Lips most pop-oriented songs can do this too).

I'm sure more examples can be found within the annals of experimental noise rock.

Re:Experimental Noise Has Been Here Already-IV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332732)

I'm wondering if those mood CDs, you know the ones that say they will give you more energy, or mellow you out, make you sleeep better, etc use such a principle? Ususally you can find them in the new age section.

This could just as easily been called. . . (5, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332597)

How people are effected by the sound of tectonic plates moving, or how people are effected by the sound made by giant crickets from Mars ( which might well be good to know come the invasion)

Are you ready to Ruuuuuuuuummmmmmmble?

It's certainly no secret that people are effected by really, really low bass notes. As the article itself notes church organs have been using this trick to spice up the "Glory Hallelujahs" for centuries.

The part that's interesting is that seems to be a mood *enhancer*, rather producing any specific effect, so if the power of the Lord is already moving you that organ is going to move you more.

Let's hear it for the Church and gut level empiricism.

Don't install one of these "sub-sub-woofers" if you have pissy neighbors though. It reminds of the Bill Cosby joke about cocaine:

"It enhances my personality"

"Yeah, but what if you're an asshole?"

KFG

Oh that's nothing... (1)

Nix0n (649693) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332604)

A bizarre experiment in soundless music has revealed how people's emotions are affected by noises they cannot hear...

No big deal.

My girlfriend's emotions are affected by things I never said.

deaf people fighting... (5, Funny)

scubacuda (411898) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332623)

this will probably get trolled down...

But oddly, this (for whatever friggin' reason) reminded me of a deaf couple I once saw fighting. The guy got really angry and closed his eyes. The lady was SO FURIOUS that he wasn't "listening" to her that she tried to PRY the other guy's eyes open with her fingers! What I wouldn't have given to know what they were talking about!

(Am I a bastard for laughing HARDER b/c I knew that they couldn't hear me?)

Re:deaf people fighting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332708)

yes, but its still freakin' hilarious

Darwinian? (2, Insightful)

jun270 (622494) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332636)

Perhaps this response is similar to the primitive "fight or flight" response. Natural sources of these "infrasounds" include "earthquakes, severe weather, volcanic activity, geomagnetic activity, ocean waves, avalanches, turbulence aloft, and meteors and by some man-made sources such as aircraft and explosions" according to this site: http://www.etl.noaa.gov/et1/infrasound/

Just so long as you're not a chicken... (3, Funny)

cosyne (324176) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332641)

"True story: 7 Hz is the resonant frequency of a chicken's skull cavity. This was determined empirically in Australia, where a new factory generating 7-Hz tones was located too close to a chicken ranch: When the factory started up, all the chickens died.

From Borland's Turbo C Reference Guide..."

The internet says it's true, and that's good enough for me.

so that's why the bass helps the acid trip so much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332642)

I just love the nice bass beats when I'm trippin'

Question (0, Offtopic)

Zelet (515452) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332644)

If cows "moo" and ducks "quack" what do monkeys do? Why don't we have a word for their sound? If we do what is it? It has been driving me nuts all night.

Overkill rulez (1)

Compuser (14899) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332654)

This just proves my belief that whenever you think
you need to be within certain limits, you need to
design about an order of magnitude beyond them.
So is there some music recording equipment that
goes from tens of millihertz to a megahertz?
How difficult would it be to make one?

old idea (2, Interesting)

glsunder (241984) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332667)

A decade ago, when I was into speaker design as a hobbiest, I remember reading about subsonic sounds having an effect on people in an audio book or journal. IIRC, they talked about at least one experiment. Basically, it found that people felt uneasy when exposed to low frequency sound and suggested that some old drafty castle halls and rooms that had a reputation for being haunted could designs that caused inaudible low frequency standing waves. My memory's a bit hazy (hey, it's been 10 years), but I'm pretty sure that some researches found a couple of places where that was the case.

exploding chickens? (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332672)

Anyone remember that urban legend about chickens heads exploding because of a near by factory that generated an inaudible 7khz tone which resonated perfectly on a chicken's skull?

Wonder if that's what these scientists originally set out to debunk :)

What I want to know... (1)

thetelepath (534949) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332673)

is if the people would've reacted the same way if absolutely nothing was played at all, just sitting there. I'm sure some of them might've still gotten angry after figuring out they just wasted an hour listening to genuine silence. :)

I believe it... (1)

J-Piddy (581018) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332675)

I mean, I don't hear my bank account growing, I don't hear any nice young women calling me, and I don't hear anybody respecting my opinions.

And strangely enough, that makes me feel down.

mp3 question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332695)

The MP3 format is lossy (you loose parts of the sound (particularly the parts you can't "hear"), at the advantage of a much smaller file). Would such an encoding cause this effect to not work?

thanks

Re:mp3 question (3, Informative)

majestynine (605494) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332707)

Yes, it would.

All mp3 encoders have a high and low pass filter to cut off frequencies outside the range of normal human ears. Even if you disabled this, you'd still need special 'low loudspeakers' that are capable of generating tones that low anyway. (most consumer subwoofers will do down to about 30hz)

So in other words, this won't be a new addition to your home theatre any time soon. (Although an 'emotion' woofer would be really cool on some movies ;) )

Heh (1)

IanBevan (213109) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332697)

emotions are affected by noises they cannot hear...

My emotions are affected by cars and beowolf clusters I cannot own.

see Toffler, also (0)

collapser (610412) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332699)

Alvin + Heidi Toffler note, in <I>War and Anti-War</I> how subsonics can be used as a defense mechanism, where the sound is on the same frequency as the resonance of materials found in human internal organs - in other words, the dreaded <I>brown noise</I>.
<BR><BR>fun idea, I just hope the sound engineers are doing their job properly at the next gig I go to.
<BR><BR><BR>On a personal note, I am acutely affected by ultrasonics - some of which include televisions, which means I can hear a high pitch whenever i am in proximity to a TV (even if it is behind a closed door). I have also experienced this in physics class, where a high voltage was being passed through a sphere painted with metallic paint.
<BR>can anyone enlighten me as to how this ultrasonic side-effect occurs in the first place?

I get angry and frustrated (0, Redundant)

prockcore (543967) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332701)

I get angry and frustrated by webpages I cannot read. ./ effect is hazardous to our health.

Possible "Spiritual" Relationship Too (2, Interesting)

Goldenhawk (242867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332705)

Think of all those high-church folks who maintain that "rock is a tool of the devil."

Okay, hang in there, and don't mod me down YET...

My father for years has preferred a high-church style worship service, where the newer, "pop" elements such as drums and bass guitar are shunned. He has maintained that certain types of music themselves are capable of creating a purely emotional response, independent of the actual spiritual qualities of the music. For this reason, he feels it's dangerous to emphasize rock-style worship services, because there might be confusion or conflict between the emotional push of the music and the individual's ability to freely approach his God on his own terms, without someone else kicking at his subconcious.

The spiritual aspects of this aside, I believe this article lends some credence to that viewpoint.

(I rather LIKE the bass and drums, and I personally feel that I often NEED a kick in the rear, so to speak, to get me paying attention to the spiritual. So it's okay with me to use infrasound to get my attention...)

Best News Ever! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5332706)

Well hopefully this means I won't have to listen to Dashboard Confessional and all those other emo bands.

The Microsoft Sound (2, Funny)

maxmg (555112) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332719)

I strongly suspect that those stupid Windows startup jingles have an infrasound component. Drives me NUTS every time I hear it...
That would also explain why they were so expensive.

Binaural beats? (5, Interesting)

majestynine (605494) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332726)

Binaural beats (stfw for loads of info [google.com]) work by causing the brain to 'hear' the resulting frequency which would normally be outside of the human range of hearing (ie 4hz).

This is done by playing two different frequencies into the different ears (ie 300 hz into one ear, 304 into the other: your brain then entrains to a 4hz frequency)

Does anyone have any idea if this device could remove the need for the two frequencies by simply generating the Such things would be useful for brain washing, because if a speaker can put his audience into an alpha state (2/3hz), then they are more susceptible to impressions (thats why many religions use repeditive beating drums in their rituals etc)

Genius idea! (1)

Kethinov (636034) | more than 11 years ago | (#5332730)

Perhaps I should get into soundless music. That way, no one will have to yell at me from across the hall to turn it down!
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