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CAPPS II Trials Begin in March

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the fits-the-profile dept.

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corporal_clegg writes "According to this story on FoxNews, in March Delta Airlines will begin using a federal database that incorporates credit history and bank records in an effort to identify potential security threats. The federal system - CAPPS II (Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System) - will assign a "threat level" to passengers based upon information in the database and other criteria, such as whether the individual is on government watch lists. 'CAPPS II will collect data and rate each passenger's risk potential according to a three-color system: green, yellow, red. When travelers check in, their names will be punched into the system and the boarding passes encrypted with the ranking.' The scary thing is that no one really knows which databases the government will use or how long the records will remain. Slashdot covered this story in September 2002, and it now seems that the first airline is ready to give it a try. In addition to the links in the previous Slashdot article, a good background on CAPPS II can be found here." Actually, the last story we did on passenger profiling was just a week or two ago.

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Fuck Passenger Profiling. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410935)

Fuck Passenger Profiling.

FUCK ALL OF YOU SLASH TURDS TOO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410990)

that is all.

Wait linux sucks, now that is all.

frist posta (-1, Offtopic)

FunkSoulBrother (140893) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410936)

pasta salad!!!

Taco has smooth crotch! NO COCK! (-1)

xdfgf (460453) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410939)

Rob Malda is a 26-year old white male with a stocky build and a beard. His head is shaved. He responded to my ad to be interviewed for this article wearing only leather pants, leather boots and a leather vest. I could see that both of his nipples were pierced with large-gauge silver rings.

Questioner: I hope you won't be offended if I ask you to prove to me that you're a nullo. Just so that our readers will know that this isn't a fake.

Rob: Sure, no problem. (stands and unbuckles pants and drops them to his ankles, revealing a smooth, shaven crotch with only a thin scar to show where his genitals once were).

Q: Thank you. That's a remarkable sight.

(laughs and pulls pants back up). Most people think so.

Q: What made you decide to become a nullo?

(pauses). Well, it really wasn't entirely my decision.

Q: Excuse me?

The idea wasn't mine. It was my lover's idea.

Q: Please explain what you mean.

Okay, it's a long story. You have to understand my relationship with Michael before you'll know what happened.

Q: We have plenty of time. Please go on.

Both of us were into the leather lifestyle when we met through a personal ad. Michael's ad was very specific: he was looking for someone to completely dominate and modify to his pleasure. In other word, a slave.

The ad intrigued me. I had been in a number of B&D scenes and also some S&M, but I found them unsatisfying because they were all temporary. After the fun was over, everybody went on with life as usual.

I was looking for a complete life change. I wanted to meet someone who would be part of my life forever. Someone who would control me and change me at his whim.

Q: In other words, you're a true masochist.

Oh yes, no doubt about that. I've always been totally passive in my sexual relationships.

Anyway, we met and there was instant chemistry. Michael is a few years older than me and very good looking. Our personalities meshed totally. He's very dominant.

I went back to his place after drinks and had the best sex of my life. That's when I knew I was going to be with Michael for a long, long time.

Q: What sort of things did you two do?

It was very heavy right away. He restrained me and whipped me for quite awhile. He put clamps on my nipples and a ball gag in my mouth. And he hung a ball bag on my sack with some very heavy weights. That bag really bounced around when Michael fucked me from behind.

Q: Ouch.

(laughs) Yeah, no kidding. At first I didn't think I could take the pain, but Michael worked me through it and after awhile I was flying. I was sorry when it was over.

Michael enjoyed it as much as I did. Afterwards he talked about what kind of a commitment I'd have to make if I wanted to stay with him.

Q: What did he say exactly?

Well, besides agreeing to be his slave in every way, I'd have to be ready to be modified. To have my body modified.

Q: Did he explain what he meant by that?

Not specifically, but I got the general idea. I guessed that something like castration might be part of it.

Q: How did that make you feel?

(laughs) I think it would make any guy a little hesitant.

Q: But it didn't stop you from agreeing to Michael's terms?

No it didn't. I was totally hooked on this man. I knew that I was willing to pay any price to be with him.

Anyway, a few days later I moved in with Michael. He gave me the rules right away: I'd have to be naked at all times while we were indoors, except for a leather dog collar that I could never take off. I had to keep my head shaved. And I had to wear a butt plug except when I needed to take a shit or when we were having sex.

I had to sleep on the floor next to his bed. I ate all my food on the floor, too.

The next day he took me to a piercing parlor where he had my nipples done, and a Prince Albert put into the head of my cock.

Q: Heavy stuff.

Yeah, and it got heavier. He used me as a toilet, pissing in my mouth. I had to lick his asshole clean after he took a shit, too. It was all part of a process to break down any sense of individuality I had. After awhile, I wouldn't hesitate to do anything he asked.

Q: Did the sex get rougher?

Oh God, yeah. He started fisting me every time we had sex. But he really started concentrating on my cock and balls, working them over for hours at a time.

He put pins into the head of my cock and into my sack. He attached clothespins up and down my cock and around my sack. The pain was pretty bad. He had to gag me to keep me from screaming.

Q: When did the idea of nullification come up?

Well, it wasn't nullification at first. He started talking about how I needed to make a greater commitment to him, to do something to show that I was dedicated to him for life.

When I asked him what he meant, he said that he wanted to take my balls.

Q: How did you respond?

Not very well at first. I told him that I liked being a man and didn't want to become a eunuch. But he kept at me, and wore me down. He reminded me that I agreed to be modified according to his wishes, and this is what he wanted for me. Anything less would show that I wasn't really committed to the relationship. And besides, I was a total bottom and didn't really need my balls.

It took about a week before I agreed to be castrated. But I wasn't happy about it, believe me.

Q: How did he castrate you?

Michael had a friend who was into the eunuch scene. One night he came over with his bag of toys, and Michael told me that this was it. I was gonna lose my nuts then and there.

Q: Did you think of resisting?

I did for a minute, but deep down I knew there was no way. I just didn't want to lose Michael. I'd rather lose my balls.

Michael's friend restrained me on the living room floor while Michael videotaped us. He used an elastrator to put a band around my sack.

Q: That must have really hurt.

Hell yeah. It's liked getting kicked in the balls over and over again. I screamed for him to cut the band off, but he just kept on going, putting more bands on me. I had four bands around my sack when he finished.

I was rolling around on the floor screaming, while Michael just videotaped me. Eventually, my sack got numb and the pain subsided. I looked between my legs and could see my sack was a dark purple. I knew my balls were dying inside.

Michael and his friend left the room and turned out the light. I lay there for hours, crying because I was turning into a eunuch and there wasn't anything I could do about it.

Q: What happened then?

Eventually I fell asleep from exhaustion. Then the light switched on and I could see Michael's friend kneeling between my legs, touching my sack. I heard him tell Michael that my balls were dead.

Q: How did Michael react?

Very pleased. He bent down and felt around my sack. He said that it felt cold.

Michael's friend told me that I needed to keep the bands on. He said that eventually my balls and sack would dry up and fall off. I just nodded. What else could I do at that point?

Q: Did it happen just like Michael's friend said?

Yeah, a week or so later my package just fell off. Michael put it in a jar of alcohol to preserve it. It's on the table next to his bed.

Q: How did things go after that?

Michael was really loving to me. He kept saying how proud he was of me, how grateful that I had made the commitment to him. He even let me sleep in his bed.

Q: What about the sex?

We waited awhile after my castration, and then took it easy until I was completely healed. At first I was able to get hard, but as the weeks went by my erections began to disappear.

That pleased Michael. He liked fucking me and feeling my limp cock. It made his dominance over me even greater.

Q: When did he start talking about making you a nullo?

A couple of months after he took my nuts. Our sex had gotten to be just as rough as before the castration. He really got off on torturing my cock. Then he started saying stuff like, "Why do you even need this anymore?"

That freaked me out. I always thought that he might someday take my balls, but I never imagined that he'd go all the way. I told him that I wanted to keep my dick.

Q: How did he react to that?

At first he didn't say much. But he kept pushing. Michael said I would look so nice being smooth between my legs. He said my dick was small and never got hard anymore, so what was the point of having it.

But I still resisted. I wanted to keep my cock. I felt like I wouldn't be a man anymore without it.

Q: So how did he get you to agree?

He didn't. He took it against my will.

Q: How did that happen?

We were having sex in the basement, and I was tied up and bent over this wooden bench as he fucked me. Then I heard the doorbell ring. Michael answered it, and he brought this guy into the room.

At first I couldn't see anything because of the way I was tied. But then I felt these hands lift me up and put me on my back. And I could see it was Michael's friend, the guy who took my nuts.

Q: How did you react?

I started screaming and crying, but the guy just gagged me. The two of them dragged me to the other side of the room where they tied me spread eagled on the floor.

Michael's friend snaked a catheter up my dick, and gave me a shot to numb my crotch. I was grateful for that, at least. I remember how bad it hurt to lose my balls.

Q: What was Michael doing at this time?

He was kneeling next to me talking quietly. He said I'd be happy that they were doing this. That it would make our relationship better. That kind of calmed me down. I thought, "Well, maybe it won't be so bad."

Q: How long did the penectomy take?

It took awhile. Some of the penis is inside the body, so he had to dig inside to get all of it. There was a lot of stitching up and stuff. He put my cock in the same jar with my balls. You can even see the Prince Albert sticking out of the head.

Then they made me a new pisshole. It's between my asshole and where my sack used to be. So now I have to squat to piss.

Q: What has life been like since you were nullified?

After I got over the surgery and my anger, things got better. When I healed up, I began to like my smooth look. Michael brought friends over and they all admired it, saying how pretty I looked. It made me feel good that Michael was proud of me.

Q: Do you have any sexual feeling anymore?

Yes, my prostate still responds when Michael fucks me or uses the buttplug. And my nipples are quite sensitive. If Michael plays with them while fucking me, I have a kind of orgasm. It's hard to describe, but it's definitely an orgasm.

Sometimes Michael says he's gonna have my prostate and nipples removed, but he's just kidding around. He's happy with what he's done to me.

Q: So are you glad Michael had you nullified?

Well, I wouldn't say I'm glad. If I could, I'd like to have my cock and balls back. But I know that I'm a nullo forever. So I'm making the best of it.

Michael and I are very happy. I know that he'll take care of me and we'll be together always. I guess losing my manhood was worth it to make that happen for us.

fascinating (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411026)

I lost my equipment in a foozeball-related incident.

Funny thing about that, I was so drunk I didn't notice till the next morning. When I went to pee and my wang came off in my hand, I knew something was up.

I tried reattaching it with some electrical tape, but it came back off in the shower.

I'VE MASTURBATED TO THIS TWICE NOW! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411102)

And I'm still as hard as a poplar tree!

Also, Poindexter's contracts are still going out (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410942)

Contrary to popular rumour, millions of dollars have been let in contracts to do the groundwork for TIA. Any USC students out there? Did you know your alma mater is going to help build the surveillance state known as the USA? TIA lives [zdnet.co.uk]

*ponders* (5, Funny)

EngMedic (604629) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410944)

CAPPS II will collect data and rate each passenger's risk potential
//begin code snippet if(PassengerEthnicity()=='arab')
{
InitiateSearch();
SetThreatLevel(doom);
};

Re:*ponders* (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410961)

f7ck yiir racist and karma-whoring ass. I hate you so bad that I'd become a nullo [slashdot.org] if it would make you never post again.

Re:*ponders* (1)

Shippy (123643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411039)

I personally think this is more sad than funny. The creators of the CAPPS II system say it won't be discriminatory, but we all know that unfortunately this will most likely not be the case.

Ah ... note the first line is commented out. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411051)

In case you didn't catch it ...

All passengers will be considered a threat.

Re:Ah ... note the first line is commented out. (1)

dabootsie (590376) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411174)

Actually, it won't even compile due to the syntax error (semitrunc after code block).

Re:*ponders* (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411128)

reminds me of Jay Leno's comment on airports and their profiling techniques:

"If you're first name is Mohammad, and your last name isn't Ali, you may want to allow more time at the airport."

Re:*ponders* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411153)

/* wittyretort.c: */
#include <stdio.h>
#include "lameass_code_jokes_done_wrong.h"
int main(void) {
if (SyntaxSuxx0rz("EngMedic"))
TellItLikeItIs();
el se
printf("Ha ha ha ha! That is teh funny!!!1\n");
return 0;
}
/* eof */

# make wittyretort

# ./wittyretort

EngMedic FAILS IT!!

Re:*ponders* (1)

adamruck (638131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411166)

//begin error snipet
arab is a string, use " symbol //end error snipet

fourth post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410945)

posting in honor of the emus.

CAPPS II (-1, Offtopic)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410946)

Holy crap, I am wasted.

What do you think about that?

Fiscal No-No (5, Funny)

the.jedi (212166) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410947)

.... incorporates credit history and bank records in an effort to identify potential security threats.

Oh thats right....poor people are all terrorists.

Just remember if you bounce a check then the terrorists have already won.

Not really.. (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411003)

Just because you're poor doesn't mean you have a bad credit rating.

But that doesn't even matter - I think instead what this system will be looking for is a person not with good credit, or even bad credit, but very little credit history... that's the kind of person that will make "them" wonder what they are up to.

So what you should really be railing against is that people who aren't good consumers (in that they make use of credit and thus build up a record) will be hassled.

Personally, I'm not sure about this either way... in some ways I like it if it means fewer obviously random and stupid searches like they do now. That might only be because I expect to be targeted for searches less as a result.

A funny side note - I recently took a one-way flight and my girlfriend and I were fully searched multiple times. However, if you think about it - people that purchase one way tickets a few days in advance are probably the last ones to worry about!! Instead, I say, be concerned about the passenger that supposedly has it "so together" that they purchased tickets (round trip or otherwise) months in advance... after all, a real terrorist is not going to leave it to chance that he can get a flight on a certain plane a few days in advance.

Re:Not really.. (4, Insightful)

dnight (153296) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411063)

Wrongo. I questioned one entry on my credit report, and it was wiped clean. I had nothing at all for a rating, in spite of being born in the US 30+ years ago, having gone through all the years of public school, work, 1040s, W4s etc.

If I was denied, at boarding time, the ability to travel, instead of when I bought the ticket, I would be one very loud and pissed off guy. Credit has nothing to do with travel rights.

Right now, I'm taking my Delta frequent flyer miles and giving them to the make a wish foundation. They have lost my business forever. If all airlines do this, I guess I'll be driving a lot.

You wouldn't be denied (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411126)

Just searched, really carefully, three or four times. That's why it will meet with little complaint in the end - because almost no-one will ever be stopped from getting on, just go through a lot of annoying searches (you and your luggage), only fewer annoying searches for the general passengger because of the targeting. I've been through it myself and it sucks (the one way flight I mentioned), but if it really does lead to the reduction in stupid searches than I think I'm for it.

Note that questioning an item on your redit report (which I have done a number of times, even in the last few months) should NEVER clear out your credit history, even the thing you are questioning - it should only add notes or correct data. If that happened then you have a very serious problem indeed (a lot more serious than being searched to get on a plane) and you should seek to get that rectified (assuming you are not better off with a cleared credit report!!).

Obviously stupid searches are good (4, Insightful)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411158)

Do you really think Al-Quada wouldn't stick bombs on a little kid if they thought it would have a better chance of getting through?

Whenever you focus your attention on one catagory of people, you make it easier then it could be for another group. All the terrorists have to do is fly their members around a lot, and see who gets checked most often. The ones that don't, carry the bombs and stuff.

stupid searches are good (2, Insightful)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411168)

Do you really think Al-Quada wouldn't strap bombs on a 5 year old if they thought they would have a better chance of getting through?

Any time you focus more resources on one group, you have less on another. There's no getting around that. All the terrorists need to do is send their agents on lots of flights to see which ones get checked least often, and use them to carry the weapons/bombs.

Re:stupid searches are good (2, Funny)

adamruck (638131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411186)

taco should make you an editor...

Heh (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411201)

Actualy, when I submitted the first one I got a reply saying "there has been an error with your submission", I typed the whole damn thing over again too.

Re:Fiscal No-No (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411077)

That's right, poor people are terrorists. Like that really poor multimillionaire, what's-his-face, Osama bin Something.

And instead of applauding... (-1, Troll)

RealBeanDip (26604) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410949)

We'll be bitching about our loss of privacy.

Oh well.

This is a kickass system - we should be happy that our government has FINALLY taken terrorists so seriously and is kicking into high-gear to protect us and our way of life. I don't really care what databases they're using as long as it works and works well.

Maybe now the 70yo blue-haired old ladies can get on the plane without getting searched.

Re:And instead of applauding... (3, Insightful)

Digitalia (127982) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411032)

Our way of life, sir? Your way of life may involve sacrificing the ideals of this nation for temporary safety, but mine does not. I would sooner die than see this nation become a police state, and nothing short of that will succeed in preventing violence 100 per cent of the time. If the artificers of this nation had intended for security to come before freedom, then they would not have imposed any restrictions on the courts.

Re:And instead of applauding... (2, Insightful)

adamruck (638131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411207)

the strength of the us goverment was found in comprimise... making a strong central goverment, while makeing limitations on that power. While I tend to lean towards your way of thinking, we do need to have order in our goverment.

Re:And instead of applauding... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411050)

This reminds me of a case where two blue haired 70 year old grandmothers were busted for driving around a with several hundred pound of hash. They'd been doing it for 2 years and had never been searched before.

Seems a drug dealer was able to work out that cops generally didn't search old ladies for drugs. They don't fit the profile.

I'm sure a terrorist couldn't exploit such an obvious flaw.

Of course it will be much harder to find a suitable person to slip through this system . And even if they did, they would pay them in a manner that was obvious to law enforcement.

We all know its about making people feel happy that somethings being done, even if it doesnt make a real difference, costs alot of money and discriminates against some other group.

Don't ask yourself "Is this system (or proposed law) fair for me?", ask yourself "Is this system (or proposed law) fair for EVERY one?"

Re:And instead of applauding... (3, Interesting)

cduffy (652) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411170)

My "way of life" isn't the sort of cowardice that gives up privacy in the interests of security. I don't give my phone number to the good folks at Radio Shack. I don't let the police in to my home without a legitimate warrant. Giving up something so personal as my banking records is so entirely contrary to my way of life that I can find no conceivable grounds that your statement should apply.

Applaud? Of course not. I never applaud those that rob me. To "protect" my way of life by not allowing me to live it?

I consider this effort not only ill-considered with regard to its likely effectiveness and potential for harm to 3rd parties, but additionally for its disregard for the rights of those affected.

People that weird out on planes. (-1)

k0osh.CEOofCLIT (582286) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410950)

This might be effective to some degree but what about the people that freak out in flight because they are afraid of flying in the first place or become irrate because of other passengers?

Ironic... (5, Insightful)

loucura! (247834) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410951)

A couple weeks ago, Congress decided that the Total Information Awareness program could not operate against US citizens.

Today? We are getting a "security" implementation that(purportedly) keeps the information it collects for 50 years. This has been disputed, by the Transportation Department, but it appeared in print, and the retraction was not.

Sad, sad.

Re:Ironic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411164)

Did the Bush Administration create these terrorist attacks to give it the structure to create a dictatorship for itself?

sigh... (5, Insightful)

stevezero (620090) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410955)

The scary thing about this is:

- We don't know what airports this is going to be run at.

- We don't know what databases are going to be used

- What if some of the information is erroneous? How can we correct our own "profile"?

- Lastly...what does my credit check have to do with whether or not I'm going to blow up a plane?

And then they wonder why almost every single airline in the United States is at or near bankruptcy.

"Killing America in the Name of Security"

Re:sigh... (1, Insightful)

RealBeanDip (26604) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410984)

>We don't know what airports this is going to be run at.

I'm hoping at all of them.

>We don't know what databases are going to be used

"we" as in "I" don't care.

>What if some of the information is erroneous? How can we correct our own "profile"?

The same way you can correct your own profile now.

>Lastly...what does my credit check have to do with whether or not I'm going to blow up a plane?

I thought "we" didn't know what databases were going to be used?

>And then they wonder why almost every single airline in the United States is at or near bankruptcy.

This one I can answer;

Airlines are/were driven on profit. Hassling people at the gates would cut into profit, hence sercurity sucked. Paying people who actually knew something about security would cut into profit, hence security sucked. If people bitched about too much security and stopped flying, it would cut into profit, hence security sucked.

Security sucked so bad that 19 arabs, some with shady backgrounds that should/would have come up on govt watch lists easily boarded airplanes, hijacked them and turned them into guided bombs, murdering 3000 people.

So quite frankly if knowing that these systems are in place discourages (or gasp, even catches in the act) any terrorist, I'M ALL FOR IT.

So there.

Re:sigh... (4, Insightful)

Quarters (18322) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411034)

Yes yes, the "please do it because *I* don't have anything to hide" argument. What if the information about you is wrong? What if, due to a case of stolen identity, you end up with a CAPPS II record that labels you as a terrorist for the rest of your life? Sticking your head in the sand because you don't think this system will affect you is such an apathetic attitude. Go read...no, go STUDY the 4th Amendment. There's a reason it exists.

Re:sigh... (1)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411200)

Security sucked so bad that 19 arabs, some with shady backgrounds that should/would have come up on govt watch lists easily boarded airplanes, hijacked them and turned them into guided bombs, murdering 3000 people.

So quite frankly if knowing that these systems are in place discourages (or gasp, even catches in the act) any terrorist, I'M ALL FOR IT.

The rules for hijacking changed with 9/11. Before that, you quietly behaved, waited for them to land, and went about your business after the negotiations concluded - usually without incident to the passengers. Now hijackers would deal with waves of people actively trying to kill them because they feel boxed into a corner. I know I would attempt to beat someone senseless with my thinkpad (and then some) if they tried to take over an airplane with toenail scissors. I'd say most of the world would be more terrified of a Yankee hollering 'lets roll' than the traditional terrorist action we are just beginning to understand. That said, I'd say the discouragement for future aircraft hijacking is in place...at least in US airspace.

Profiling would not have caught the 19 as suicide bombers - other than possibly holding and turning a few over to INS by accident. It would be foolishness to hamper their travel because of the way they dressed or purchased tickets. I think it might be nice to have a airport security clearance for those of us who do travel significantly. I know I missed a connecting flight because some wanker decided my cellphone having a dead battery was suspicious - and the prop job was smaller than most city buses.

Don't get me wrong - airport security sucked then and still does in my book. It takes real cash to get people who really influence security. For the most part, the 'illusion' of security is good enough to keep the armatures at bay. The cost to catch the pros is prohibitive. If the general masses think airports 'are secure', they are for the most part. I'm just real tired of stupid systems being put unquestionably into service in the name of security. This is one of them.

Re:sigh... (1)

loucura! (247834) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411012)

They want to make sure you're going to be contributing to the economy of the USA while you're traveling abroad within our Great Borders.

*cough*

I'm a conservative! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410966)

Oh, I'm a Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling

I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.

You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue

I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice

'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow

Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'

Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears

Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts

Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!

Re:I'm a conservative! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411014)


Thanks for the lesson in ebonics! You didn't graduate HS did you? Too bad.

The Government Has No Right (5, Interesting)

aoeuid (250239) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410968)

If it were really about airline security, they would make a special strip search screening line. So you go through into a little room, they completely search you, not necessarily a strip search but completely search you and your carry on luggage, and let you go. Really, I don't think the government has any right to even know your name. You should be able to fly where ever you want, when ever you want, without being tracked. As long as you pass the security screening before you get onto the plane, what the fuck right does the government have to know anything else about you?

Re:The Government Has No Right (1)

Shippy (123643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411068)

Why is this insightful? They wouldn't have the right to know my name, but they can go through all my stuff, which includes probably my wallet, which means that they actually will know my name. We have already heard about people abusing their security powers to do no good. One woman had to drink her OWN FUCKING BREAST MILK to prove that it wasn't poisonous or some other stupid excuse. The professor from MIT that is basically a cyborg was severely damaged by being forced to turn off his computers by stupid-ass security screeners. We all know that if people are put in the power to do searches of this nature, they will abuse it. People are ignorant and just plain fucking dumb.

What Happened?? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410974)

Where is the NYT registration required link??

At least edit out the fox news link; it offends us left-wing folks.

Re:What Happened?? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411115)

Fox News must be doing something right if it offends you left-wing folks.

my wife says (1)

spazoid12 (525450) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410985)

that because of this thing...we should boycott!


nevermind that boycotting wouldn't change our behavior...we haven't travelled in 10 years. :(

if Oprah reads Slashdot, maybe she'll take pitty on my story and pay for us to go to Hawaii??

Now WE know (5, Insightful)

aufecht (163961) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410986)

Don't they realize that anything that is publicized is now what a terrorist will most definately avoid? If they are looking for good credit and a history of large amounts of money moving through a bank account or vice versa, then a potential threat, i.e terrorist, will most definately change their habits to remain undetectible. These are not stupid people. If I know what steps an airline is taking to detect whether or not I am a threat, so does EVERYONE else. I know many of you will say that this information is made public so that I know what freedoms are being taken from me and I say that either scenerio is a bad idea. Leave my credit history and bank account information alone and find another way to detect terrorists without telling me how you are going to do it, just don't invade my privacy.

Re:Now WE know (1)

curious.corn (167387) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411071)

Anybody willing to take a bus trip to a major US city?

Re:Now WE know (1)

Shippy (123643) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411076)

I agree. People fly a bunch of planes into our skyscrapers so they extremely target the airlines as the next victim. Hello?! They're not going to target that next! They've already taken advantage of that vulnerability. They're going to go onto the next thing such as power plants, dams, bridges, take your pick.

One more reason to get my BFR done (1)

Flyer (13280) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410991)

Ok, so I need a Biannual Flight Review to go flying, but after that I think I'll work on the instrument rating. Every time I see the US whittle away at our privacy under the guise of national security it frightens me. The constitution is in tatters and I think I'll just fly myself.

Re:One more reason to get my BFR done (1, Insightful)

Powercntrl (458442) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411097)

The constitution is in tatters and I think I'll just fly myself.

Let's see, guy arrested for selling modchips, cease and desist letters sent to sites distrobuting OpenOffice, Lexmark suing third party toner refillers and now this...

I really think it's time to rename "Your Rights Online" to "Another one Bites the Dust". My rights have all left.

It really freaks me out that if I want to get on an airplane, I'm assigned a risk factor based on who knows what kind of information. But if I wanted to buy a gun, I can just go down to Wal-Mart.

Of course, if I sold modchips or toner cartredges I refilled, or the RIAA happens to notice the MP3s on my server (never mind they're original songs I wrote), I'm a criminal. Let's just hope CAPPS II isn't tied into any kind of RIAA piracy database...

I am poor so I must be a threat.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410993)

I know that if you erode someones quality of life enough they may come to the point where their life is worth so little they see it as a small price to pay to make a political statement. People who value their life, and feel they can make a contribution in another way dont blow themselves up.

But how does the fact that I've missed three car payments tell anyone anything about me.

The terrorists appear to be winning, one little piece (of my civil liberties) at a time.

The scary thing is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5410994)

"The scary thing is that no one really knows which databases the government will use or how long the records will remain."

Can you say "all of them" and "forever" in one sentence Johnny? I can.

Not a troll, but... (4, Insightful)

rob-fu (564277) | more than 11 years ago | (#5410999)

if you haven't done anything, then what do you have to worry about? This kind of profiling will never fly w/the ACLU and the like, though.

Monitoring bank and credit reports will flag questionable purchases like, oh, let's say, 2 tons of fertilizer and a Ryder truck. But what about the ones who don't exhibit that kind of behavior? Credit reports and bank activity aren't going to prevent a hijacker alone, in my opinion.

Re:Not a troll, but... (1)

Unregistered (584479) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411024)

But the question is what constitutes a threat? I bet most terrorists haven't raied enough folags in their brief time in the country. I just worry that like many plans terrorists will slip through and it will cause hell for normal people.

Re:Not a troll, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411083)

OK, lets suppose I'm a terrorist...

NOTE I AM NOT A TERRORIST.. THIS IS SIMPLY A HYPOTHETICAL SCENERIO

I'm going to put 2 tons of fertilizer and alot of diesel fule on my Visa????

Its all about being seen to respond. Even if you have to tread on people to do it.

Somebody else's Visa (1)

RadagastTheMagician (469373) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411159)

No, if you're the terrorist, you're going to put it on the Visa you stole out of that creditcard database you hacked.

So some other poor schmuck who actually OWNED said Visa gets Guantanamo Bay, while YOU can go right onboard, sir.

Re:Not a troll, but... (1)

entrigant (233266) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411182)

such as whether the individual is on government watch lists.

Ever had a bank account or credit card? They don't keep records of what you buy, just where you bought it from, and most banks don't even keep track of that.

Re:Not a troll, but... (1)

entrigant (233266) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411195)

crud I screwed that post up badly... here's a second try:

Monitoring bank and credit reports will flag questionable purchases like, oh, let's say, 2 tons of fertilizer and a Ryder truck.

Ever had a bank account or credit card, or viewed a credit report? Banks and CC's don't keep records of what you buy, just where you bought things from, and most banks don't even keep track of that. As for credit reports, they simply state who you have credit accounts with, and how faithfull you've been to the repayment contract.. that's it. (Oh, and they show who's asked for a copy of the report.)

Flight (5, Insightful)

Digitalia (127982) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411002)

So we shall soon expect to see the less affluent citizens of this nation prohibited from travelling by airplane? There is simply no way in which the algorithm they use to determine risk could be flawless, and in such a matter, even one false-positive is too much. I always heard jurists refer to the slippery slope, and I had to wonder whether it was true. In the last five years og litigation, there have been an inconceivable number of unconstitutional or unjust laws proposed, and an even more amazing number of them have been passed. We shall finally see whether the slippery slope exists. I sincerely hope that we can return even a small measure of the freedom that this republic is supposed to represent, but I fear that it shall continue only to get worse.

I fear that things will degenerate so greatly, that nothing short of armed insurrection will return it to the path of its founders' intent. I fear that day, because if force becomes necessary, then it is already too late.

What DBMS?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411009)

Before I can decide whether or not I like this I need to know one thing...

are they using Postgres or MySQL??

Re:What DBMS?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411163)

Something of this importance is not the realm of second rate open source projects. I would hope they are using Oracle or Microsoft SQL Server. (though the recent version of MySQL is starting to really shape up and may become viable soon, its progress truly is astounding).

Not trolling, for all of you zealots who will jump in and say "shouldn't bite" or something witless to that effect.

Yeah well (4, Funny)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411013)

anyone who doesn't want a national identity card has something to hide.

fuck this shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411017)

fuck this gay ass shit. these bitch niggers can suck my dick. tired of this shit. fuck them. fuck them in their fucking asses. they can toss my salad. they can drink my jizz. they can teabag my balls. i dont give a fuck. these bitches can suck my ass and my dick. this shit fucking blows and these cocksuckers can suck my shit.

What about other means of transportation? (3, Insightful)

Spazholio (314843) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411019)

I mean, other than cars, that is. What about train stations? Do they have screening policies that are nearly as strict? Hell, I'd be happy to extend my travel time by a day or more, just so I don't need to worry about having my name run through any number of databases in the vain hopes of finding something and appeasing the herd/masses of their security concerns.

My wife and I both predict that within 10 years (most likely less) it will be required to carry "papers" while you travel, even in your car, not just on a plane or some such. Interstate travel will start to be as arduous as international travel. It's quite sickening, actually...

OK what if... (1)

Cali Thalen (627449) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411020)

...I've got crappy credit, and I'm buying a one-way ticket to Vegas at the last minute with cash to go have a weekend with some blackjack dealer I met who was vacationing near me? (hey, it COULD happen!)

So...I get flagged red. Now what, they won't let me board? No free peanuts? What exactly will this do TO me (not FOR me, I think we already know that answer).

Re:OK what if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411054)

What exactly will this do TO me

They send the Rape Squad (me) to have my way with your daughter.

Re:OK what if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411096)

My daughter weighs 450 pounds, is ugly as shit, never bathes, and loves to receive oral sex.

Just your type!

Re:OK what if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411088)

mmm... peanuts...

*drools*

Alternative to CAPS II (5, Interesting)

sqlzealot (553596) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411022)

I understand that there are too many risks to allow people to fly unscreened, but I would like to see a system that does not force people to prove their innocence every time they fly. One alternative might be what I call "security clearance ids". Flyers apply for an id, and get a background check. If they check out, then all those with IDs should be free to pass through checkpoints without screening or interrogation. One advantage of this method is that the screening is done offline, so if there is a problem, you have time to appeal your clearance rejection, instead of missing your flight because of an overzealous guard. I don't see this as any worse than what many federal-related employees have to go through. Another advantage is that your personal information is only looked at by the certifying bureau and not at every airport database. This would also be MORE secure, since for questionable people you could investigate further in ways that would not be possible at an airport, like interviews with family members.

We can keep the current system in place with searches and questions for (hopefully) the minority of travellers who would't have an id. If you can take the time to get a driver's license once every couple years, you can take the time to get a background check too.

I'm screwed (1)

PortWineBoy (587071) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411027)

...my credit sucks.

Really. Truly. Awful.

I will rocket off the terrorism alert scale on that factor.

I imagine when they find out about my participation in /. I'll be off to the gulag for sure.

It was nice knowing you folks.

Re:I'm screwed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411042)

well too bad.. good job managing your credit card dumbass.

Great... (2, Insightful)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411033)

Now I can feel just as uneasy getting my boarding pass as I do going through the Walmart metal detectors, with the senior-citizen security guard eyeing me like I stole something.

I love the land of the free.

wait for exposure.. (1)

3seas (184403) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411037)

If the systems don't work well, or against innocent people then we will certainly hear about them.

Oh, BTW, it is a serious violation of privacy.

A step in the right direction (1)

Managuense (613097) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411038)

"The overarching principle, in the words of former El Al CEO Joel Feldschuh, "is to look for people suspected to be terrorists, not just bombs."" El Al is the most secure airline in the world. http://www.fortune.com/fortune/articles/0,15114,36 9487-2,00.html

With no Arab pilots or flight attendants. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411069)

In a nation that's 40% Arab, there are no
good jobs for Arabs in El Al Airlines. No
wonder their secure. Dixie was secure when
Jim Crow ruled.

Re:A step in the right direction (1)

Managuense (613097) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411105)

There's some confusion here: the 9/11 hijackers were passengers, not employees.

Furthermore, they met most of the criteria used by Israel's El Al security to identify potential terrorists.

Boycott Delta (3, Insightful)

birdman666 (144812) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411045)

If you don't like, then don't fly delta. It will either send them a message and they'll rethink their policy, or other airlines will stay away from similar profiling systems due to the chance of losing business.

MOD THIS MAN UP! (1)

phantast (35247) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411193)

Amen.

If everyone just quietly bitches, then shrugs their shoulders and chooses Delta, the other airliners will quickly realize that is one more finger they can shove up the ass of their clientele.

This is not going to prevent people from flying! (1)

John_McKee (100458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411053)

OK, I think it is important to point out is that all this system does is assign a risk factor to people so people that should be given a second look are, and yes, it takes financial inforation into account. Honestly, a person with great credit history, a steady, large income and a nice bank statement is not high on the list of potential terrorists. However, a 40 year old with 18 months of credit history, sizeable and untracable deposits into a bank account and very little long term savings is a higher risk.

And this is not going to prevent poor people from flying. The only people that will be flagged and not allowed to fly will be those on FBI terrorist watch lists.

Re:This is not going to prevent people from flying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411107)

With no bombs in is luggage I wonder why a person would constitute a risk to airline safety. Maybe there are people who can destroy planes by letting off huge farts? Or maybe they can just will the plane to crash?

and it doesn't even work (3, Informative)

lightray (215185) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411058)

Carnival Booth: An Algorithm for Defeating the Computer-Assisted Passenger Screening System [mit.edu] is as relevant as ever. These profiling systems actually decrease our security.

The colored terror warning levels probably also decrease our actual security by creating a false sense of security -- level green just indicates to terrorists that it's a good time to catch us off guard.

Re:and it doesn't even work (1)

Forgotten (225254) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411148)

Yup. And this bit of attempted STO and unaccountability:

The scary thing is that no one really knows which databases the government will use or how long the records will remain.

...doesn't help in the least, because schemes like Carnival Booth just treat the screening system as a black box anyway (interesting tangential parallel to the recent Turing Test stuff btw).

You can't even make an observation like "pissing away freedom", since at least pissing has some tangible benefit to the organism. This is just about control and self-justification. How long until the Carnival Booth paper and others like it are illegal to publish for security reasons? Shurely that sort of thing is even worse than letting the Chinese government see the Ancient American Secrets in the Windows source code!

(not to mention little children pointing at world leaders with no clothes...)

I am a terrorist (1, Informative)

NullProg (70833) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411065)

- I have a beard.
- I am mistakenly listed as a vegitarian on BA.
- I carry lots of hardware when I travel.
- I am a smart ass towards people who ask stupid questions (most security/airline employees).

But seriously, I have already written to the congressmen and senators I helped put in office. If they vote for this they will no longer receive a vote from me.

Enjoy,

Re:I am a terrorist (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411146)

I hope you get thrown in jail for being an asshole hippie

Re:I am a terrorist (1)

Fantastic Lad (198284) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411204)

I hope you get thrown in jail for being an asshole hippie

You'll probably get your wish, child. But in the world which is rising, (largely due to people like you being dupes), it wont be long before you find yourself next in line.


-Fantastic Lad

Re:I am a terrorist (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411167)

I am a smart ass towards people who ask stupid questions

Here folks, we see a perfect example of an asshole with no social skills. This type of specimen will never get laid and will spend the rest of his life jacking off to pictures of that hot girl in 9th grade who always made fun of him.

This is Horrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411078)

Why should US citizens submit to background checks before traveling by air? If security is a concern they should check your luggage. Unless I present a clear and present threat to airline safety the government has no right to restrict my travels.

I can only imagine what it would take to trigger an alert: Did you buy "the Anarchist's Cookbook" out of morbid curiosity? You are now a suspect! Have you ever participated in public protest against government policies? You are now a suspect! We have now entered the age of the Thought Crime: you are a threat not based on what you're carrying with you at the moment, you are a threat based on your beliefs and the things you've done in the past.

Some elevated humor, anyone? (1)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411092)

Seat 23C spends $250 a month on burritos! Look at the SIZE of him! Sweet Jesus, he's GASSY! EVACUATE THE PLANE!

He's fallen asleep, of course, so they send hostage negotiators on to try and get the people in 23A and 23B off the plane alive.

I wont get jumped on (1)

mestoph (620399) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411093)

Woo, this is actually good for me. Well will be in a few months, should it happen in all airports and air companies. Mainly because in a few months I will have been in my current job for over 2 years and be over 26 and same address for over 3 years. Which for credit scores increases my score alot. Then checkin/out people won't hopefully jump me on. Atm with all the concerns I fall into the worst category. I nearly always travel single, long distance, with nothing more than a hand luggage and dressed in casuals. So I'm first through passport control only to get stopped over and over by people. Who as soon as they check my records, say 'oh you are a regular carry on, this usually is just after they have unpacked my rucksack.

Random is best! (2, Insightful)

cs668 (89484) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411108)

This is so stupid. Everyone bitches when the 80 year old grandma gets searched, but random is the best.

If there is any "methodology" at all to doing this profiling there is a danger that you would just probe the system till you discover the "right" person to send through.

Keep sending through different kinds off people until you know who you can send that would never get checked.

Random is the way to go.

Re:Random is best! (1)

NullProg (70833) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411173)

This is so stupid.
Agreed.

If there is any "methodology" at all to doing this profiling there is a danger that you would just probe the system till you discover the "right" person to send through.
I agree even more.

The correct way to implement this is to not do it.

Police our borders and inbound flights. Police the people who want VISA's to learn at our schools. Police our borders better. Nothing within CAPII prevents 9/11 (or 11/9 to our european friends).

Enjoy,

What will be profiled? (1)

Hao Wu (652581) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411122)

Will musical taste be part of one's profile? What if it makes a political statement? Where does it end?

Many of the same musics are bought and sold by all kinds of people. White people listen to black music. Black people listen to white gospel. All-americans listen to Rage Against Machine, which is also praised by degenerates and drug dealers. I listen to Michael Jackson, and people ask if I am a pedophile! I like to hear Thriller and a little disco beat, and that means I like young boys and should be locked away with degenerates and drug dealers?! I was scared just to play my music too loud in the dorms when people said the music was uncool. Now I have to worry about being a criminal for playing Michael Jackson. I also love Bruce Springsteen. "Born in the USA" is my favorite song! I am a huge patriot and I love this country more than any other stupid country, but now if I don't love Bruce Springsteen so much you'll say I might not be much of a patriot anymore. I will never stop loving my music, but I want people to know that this profile business is dangerous stuff. I don't mean Dangerous sung by Wacko Jacko, I mean as in "rights are becoming endangered".

I simply don't understand.. (5, Interesting)

entrigant (233266) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411123)

... how a phrase such as "such as whether the individual is on government watch lists" doesn't scare the hell out of every single person in the US.

Perhaps there's a reason public education sucks so badly besides governmental stupidity... perhaps it's governmental genious to get all these fucking idiots to think crap like this is actually good. To me it's absolutely astonishing that a lot of people think protesting should be outright illegal.. do they not comprehend what that means?! This kind of crap almost makes me want to cry, and thanks to the US's ability to influence most every other country with either wads of money or military power there is no escape... "Brave New World" wasn't a fictional book, it was a god damn prophecy.

This is just so damn scary... I've had a gun put to my head by a nervous wreck of a thief, and I am still more scared about our current political climate than I was about that...

george orwell (1)

adamruck (638131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411127)

George Orwell would love todays goverment, he could write a book like 1984 and not even have to come up with anything new...

I would like to see exactly what constitutes for labeling someone yellow or red in these systems... how does the goverment weight different facts while doing this assesment.. and I dont meen they look at your background blah blah blah... I would like to see the algorythme they use.

Jesus... (4, Insightful)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411133)

For the most part now I'd rather drive to wherever I'm going then take an intra-continental flight. Security is so insane there, it's not even funny. just the other day [thestar.com] a Canadian citizen was sent to India because INS officials thought (for some reason) her passport was invalid.

Not that any of this stuff is even necessary to prevent hijacking (just lock the cabin door, and have passengers fight back), or bombing (use bomb detectors!). Simple, obvious things like that are the way to prevent 9/11 type disasters, not creepy big-brother bullshit.

Its nothing more then a power-grab by totalitarians.

Aha! (1)

h8macs (301553) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411144)

And this would be why my users look at me like I am a fascist dictator when I ask them to use passwords! ;-)

reminds me of this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411172)

who would be a poor man, a beggar man a thief?
if he had the rich man at his hand
and who would steal the candy from the laughing babies mouth
if he could take it from the money man

cross-eyed mary, goes jumping in again
she signs no contract, but she always plays the game
she dines in hampton village, on expense accounted gruel
and the jack-knife barber, drops her off at school

laughing in the playground, she gets no kisses from little boys
she would rather make it with a letching grey
or maybe her attention is drawn by Aqualung
who watches through the railings as they play

hey!

cross-eyed mary finds it hard to get alone
she's a poor man's rich girl, and she'll do it for a song
she's a rich man's stealer, but her faith is good and strong
she's the robin hood of packing, let the poor man get along

[ridiculous flute solo with ian anderson's faggy voice occasionally filled in]
Voooooooooooooooooo!
[guitar solo]

laughing in the playground, she gets no kisses from little boys
she would rather make it with a letching grey
or maybe her attention is drawn by Aqualung
who watches through the railings as they play

hey!

cross-eyed mary finds it hard to get alone
she's a poor man's rich girl, and she'll do it for a song
she's a rich man's stealer, but her faith is good and strong
she's the robin hood of packing, let the poor man get along

wow, (1)

loraksus (171574) | more than 11 years ago | (#5411181)

3 colours - perfect for the dumbass security guards.
'nuff said.

Pretty obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5411189)

I was listening to a talk show this morning. Some lady called in and said she didn't understand exactly what this classification was all about but she was all for it since it would probably make her safer.

Scary stuff. Didn't care *at all* what it was that made her "feel safe". Fascism is in the hearts of the people long before some energetic leader realizes he has a home waiting for him.
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