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Speeding up Evolution

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the kmail-is-already-pretty-fast dept.

Biotech 413

DaytonCIM writes ""We can rebuild him. Make him stronger... faster..." Slate.com has a great article on next generation gene research that promises to build "Supermen" or "Superwomen" out of us all. Insulin-like Growth Factor genes to make us stronger without ever visiting a weight room. EPO to generate more red blood cells and enable us to run "forever." Engineered human "Blood" to speed up evolution, so that we become less susceptible to disease and injury."

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fp bitch (-1)

News For Turds (580751) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465816)

pr0p3z to da clit! w00t!

First turd. (-1)

Luke SkyTroller (564295) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465817)

p00p.

Re:First turd. cxgrant@qwest.com (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465987)

sloppy joe
cxgrant@qwest.com

Im such a coward (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465822)

I saw this stuff about blood running and stuff, and I was like, OH DAMN!!! RUN!!! So I posted an anonymous message that means about as much to me as this "attention: medical science is still progressing" story. Wow.

wow!

Born too late (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465824)

I love reading about this stuff, but I can't help but think it's going to benefit my unborn grandkids a lot more than it will ever help me. I wish cryogenicists would freeze LIVING people so I can come back in a couple centuries. That would be cool.

Re:Born too late (4, Informative)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465855)

---I wish cryogenicists would freeze LIVING people

They'd die anyways. You know what happens to water when you freeze it? It expands. Now picture all of your water in your body being frozen. When unfroze, you'd be a mass of humany bony glop from all your cells rupturing.

Now this MIGHT work if there was a sure fire way to replace water with a substance that was the similar size, similar weight, and didnt expand when frozen......

Re:Born too late (1)

dotgain (630123) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465926)

Now this MIGHT work if there was a sure fire way to replace water with a substance that was the similar size, similar weight, and didnt expand when frozen......

And wasn't toxic!?
You can't replace H20 in the living organism with anything else. We need it because it is H2O. Anything else as a basis for bodily fluids would poison us.

Re:Born too late (5, Informative)

EricTheMad (603880) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466015)

You know what happens to water when you freeze it? It expands.

Water freezes differently depending on how it's frozen. If you freeze it slowly it forms a crystalline structure that takes up a significantly larger space than before. That expansion is what ruptures the cells. However, if the water is flash frozen it doesn't form into crystals and takes up approximately the same amount of space as when unfrozen. That means that the cells remain undamaged. Flash freezing is the technique that is used in human cryogenics.

Anybody Else Here Love Farting? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5466061)

God, I love farting! I love it when you've sat in a sulphuorous natural hotspring for an hour or so, sucking back a brew, then the next day you clear whole buildings with farts which smell like they were spawned on a particularly hot day in a rotten-egg manufacturing facility.

I love wet farts too. Now, I know I've already implied that I like *all* farts, but I especially like wet ones. Just as I especially like sulphorous ones. But wet ones are just as satisfying. Wet farts let you have the satisfaction at the end of the day of seeing the yellowy-brown stains on the toilet paper. If you've been doing wet farts since early morning, and it's been a warm day, you often find that the wetness has dried to a crunchy consistency, and if you stand up to suddenly, you scream when the ass hairs are torn out at the roots. I love wet farts.

Loud farts are fantastic. I rejoice when I do loud farts. Churches and lecture halls are the perfect places for them, especially when there are elderly women present. Nobody has mastered the look of supreme disgust like elderly women. Seeing them pinch their faces as they pointedly ignore the thunderous roaring and gluteous clapping echoing amidst the rafters is heavenly. Especially if you're in a church.

Loud, wet stinky farts are a winning combination. Let them rip at a funeral. Make sure you raise a leg, and screw your face up with an intensity which will convince bystanders that you're about to shit out a small whale, and you're whole day is set.

God, I love farting.

wooooo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465825)

HAHAHAHA!!!!

Re:wooooo cxgrant@qwest.com cynthia.grant@qwest.co (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465996)

cxgrant@qwest.com is horny

cynthia.grant@qwest.com

Khaaaaaan! (4, Funny)

Chairboy (88841) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465826)

Of course, according to Star Trek, the Eugenics wars took place during the 1990s, so these supermen must already be among us. I'm sure that when the footage is de-classified, we'll all enjoy a bunch of fascinating documentaries on how these scientists already did their stuff back in the 70s....

Supermen or Superwomen? (3, Funny)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465827)

Last time I checked Superman was in a wheelchair, and Supergirl had been cancelled by the WB.

Re:Supermen or Superwomen? (2, Funny)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465880)

I'd rather be in a wheelchair than be cancelled by the WB.

Re:Supermen or Superwomen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465999)

HAHAAHHAHAH

Mod the parent up! That's the first time I've ever actually laughed out loud at something on slashdot.

That's classic.

Finding and choosing the best anopractor (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465828)

As we all know, finding employment these days doesn't have anything to do with how smart you are or how much you like what you do, it all boils down to the interview, and how much bullshit you can dish out. It also has to do with how much cock you can take 'back there', and this is where an anopractor can help you.

What is an anopractor?
In 1897, BJ Buttfuck discovered that by stretching his anus before an interview, he was able to take three cocks more than before. Since this is a "man do man" world we live in, this immediately led to a promotion and a new horseless carriage. Modern anopractic was born.

The anopractor is a highly skilled professional that can take any anus and make it into an 'employment grade' anus. By manipulating the anus with his hands, the anopractor can make your anus fit a #4 Del Monte pineapple sideways, with the leaves still on!

Nothing beats a stretched anus for any interview situation. When your future employer sees your anus and thinks "What a cum bucket! He's hired!", you'll know that anopractic has helped YOU.

In the year 2000! (5, Funny)

binary_life (656759) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465830)

In the year 2000, genetic enhancements will make everyone look super beautiful, the downside being everyone will look exactly like one another. Ahhh... Don't you love conan obrien?

Re:In the year 2000! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465840)

Actually, I find him repetitive and boring. I mean, *EVERY* *DAMN* *NIGHT* it's the same fucking 'our show is really bad' and his un-funny 'what was that? The joke started off bad, the crowd went huh?'-type crap.
Letterman's the same.

Re:In the year 2000! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5466010)

Cohen the who?

jocks (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465832)

" Steroids raise cancer risk, promote impotence, and cause mood changes."

Yeah but the muscles pull the chicks!

Re:jocks (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465992)

...That you can't do anything with because you've become impotent. This is the true cause of 'roid rage.

Re:jocks cynthiathetotalwhorebag@yahoo.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5466003)

I like cynthiathetotalwhorebag@yahoo.com

Lack of diversity can kill us. (4, Insightful)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465834)

...and when we change all our DNA to be coded a certain way, we'll find some strange illness that affects what would have been 0.02% of the opulation now threatens to wipe out mankind.

Re:Lack of diversity can kill us. (4, Funny)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465843)

"...and when we change all our DNA to be coded a certain way, we'll find some strange illness that affects what would have been 0.02% of the opulation now threatens to wipe out"
  • We've already got large sectors of the population randomly leaving the letter "P" out of words...

Re:Lack of diversity can kill us. (4, Insightful)

dollargonzo (519030) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465869)

susceptablity has little to do with *how* DNA is coded. any given gene or allele can provide resistance to a given disease, and as long as there are differences, some people will be susceptible differenly than others. really the only way to eliminate diversity to the point where diseases might affect the entire population is to have *very* few people in the population. unless you specifically change a gene that provides resistant to a certain disease, nothing will change. a lack of diversity is bad, yes...but it would need to be pretty extreme to have a significant effect.

Re:Lack of diversity can kill us. (-1, Offtopic)

JanusFury (452699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465972)

Looks like someone altered your DNA to make you spell badly and forget to use the Shift key and apostrophes! I hope that doesn't make your immune system weak against leet speak!

why not? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465973)

science is lazy, because it's profit driven. given a problem, once a solution is found, unless there are other easy ways to solve the problem, most places wait out until the patents have expired and simply copy.

look at modern medicine.

given this, why wouldn't there only be 3-5 different major dna codings?

And where.. (0)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465835)

Do we go to sign up for research on this? I'd go for 'enhancement'.

Some of the stuff makes me uneasy, but there's a cost to everything.

Re:And where.. (2, Funny)

quintessent (197518) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465854)

Just check your e-mail in-box. Your spam filter has probably been inadvertantly deleting messages that explain how to get enhancements.

Re:And where.. (4, Funny)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465870)

---Just check your e-mail in-box.

(checking).....(done)

Well, I've got a very high potential of increasing penis and breast size. And if I act now, I'll get double the 'supplements'.

Superman? In whose eyes? (5, Funny)

euxneks (516538) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465837)

He can code large masses of programs with a single keystroke, Absorb boxes of pizza with nary a thought, never shaves for days on end! It's... Internet boy!.. Genetically modified so that... oh.. wait.. we already have people like that...

Godwin's Law in 3...2...1... (0)

Qinopio (602437) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465841)

Seriously, this stuff is cool.

I'm holding out for the adamantium skeleton, though...

hmmm... (5, Interesting)

daitengu (172781) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465847)

oh great, everyone lives longer (or forever), the planet becomes over-crowded, and we haven't invented interstellar travel.

Can anyone else see where this is going?

Re:hmmm... (5, Funny)

MoronGames (632186) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465887)

The obvious solution would be to find new and exciting ways to murder people!

Re:hmmm... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465929)

On the plus side, countries that are more technologically advanced have falling birth rates.

Ideally, we should only allow someone to live forever if they are sterile, is that a good trade off?

Re:hmmm... (1)

MoronGames (632186) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465935)

Decisions, decisions...

Re:hmmm... (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465942)

"On the plus side, countries that are more technologically advanced have falling birth rates."

The third most populous country is a very notable exception.

Article not readable in Mozilla (1)

taleman (147513) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465848)

Seems the article can not be read in Mozilla, at least not without cookies.

Mozilla 1.0
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1

Re:Article not readable in Mozilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465873)

I'm running mozilla on win xp and the article shows up fine.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20030102 Phoenix/0.5

Re:Article not readable in Mozilla (1)

taleman (147513) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465921)

I could read it with Galeon on this same machine. I allowed cookies in Galeon.

galeon 1.2.5

Re:Article not readable in Mozilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465985)

Loaded just fine for me using Phoenix...

More muscle = More trouble ? (3, Interesting)

$$$$$exyGal (638164) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465858)

The article talks about:

Bodybuilding for Couch Potatoes...

Now geeks everywhere will all be able to carry a 24 inch CRT under each arm from one side of the building to the other ;-). Seriously, though, this could be a bad thing. If you just wake up one day, and you are super-strong, you are gonna screw stuff up. Maybe you'll break someone's hand (ala a Star Trek The Next Generation episode when some guy takes over Data's body), or you are just going to generally screw up your super-muscles. You'll probably still never exercise, and end up pulling your super-strong muscles (which will probably hurt more, because there is more mass).

Re:More muscle = More trouble ? (1)

fiftyfly (516990) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465925)


the article talks about:

Bodybuilding for Couch Potatoes...

Now geeks everywhere will all be able to carry a 24 inch CRT under each arm from one side of the building to the other ;-). Seriously, though, this could be a bad thing. If you just wake up one day, and you are super-strong, you are gonna screw stuff up. Maybe you'll break someone's hand (ala a Star Trek The Next Generation episode when some guy takes over Data's body), or you are just going to generally screw up your super-muscles. You'll probably still never exercise, and end up pulling your super-strong muscles (which will probably hurt more, because there is more mass).


well.... I'm pretty sure that a little gene therapy to increase, incrementaly, one's tendancy to build muscle prob isn't going to make bruce banners out of anybody. If you break your arm, spend 6 weeks in a cast, get it off it's highly unlikely you're gonna be crushing other peoples hands in 2 days because all of a sudden your grip is stronger then it's been in nearly 2 months.

Oh *THAT* Evolution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465860)

I thought you meant Ximian Evolution. Now speeding up that Evolution would be special :)

We're gonna need new bayesian filters (5, Funny)

1nv4d3r (642775) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465861)

I never thought I'd see the day when only two of these were spam, and the others were actual opportunities of a lifetime.

"Make your penis 3 inches longer."
"Grow Muscle Mass without exercise."
"Horny cheerleaders wet 4 u"
"Run virtually forever without breaking a sweat."

Good luck to the SPAM Assassin folks if I can't tell the difference.

Nazis... (3, Informative)

Joseph Wharton (204162) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465864)

Isn't this the sort of thing that the Nazis were working on back during World War II?

Re:Nazis... (4, Informative)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465900)

No. Genetic engineering != eugenics. They're two completely different ideas.

Re:Nazis... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465903)

Nazis also were working on building rockets back during World War II. Does that mean no one should build rockets?

And anyways, what they were doing was not genetic engineering. Hell, DNA wasn't discovered until 1953.

Re:Nazis... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465967)

This is a tired, spurious argument. The Nazi's also believed in family values, so are family values evil as well?

Now in my opinion, the problem with the Nazi's, in regards to "Supermen", was not that they wanted to improve people, rather that:
1) Their "improvements" were arbitrary. (i.e. blond hair, blue eyes)
2) They wanted to exterminate non-supermen, rather than helping them along.

Re:Nazis... (4, Informative)

Noehre (16438) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466054)

Actually, Eugenics programs started in the United Stated and culminated with the forced sterilization laws found in many areas.

The Nazis got the idea from Americans.

"Speeding Up Evolution" (4, Insightful)

RovingSlug (26517) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465875)

Speeding up evolution means lots of mutations and lots of death of everything not better. Mucking around with the genome is not evolution, it's just mucking around with the genome. Blah...

Re:"Speeding Up Evolution" (2, Funny)

hype7 (239530) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465957)

and it's also important to remember, you end up with two distinct classes of hyper-evolved beings: the good guys, led by Professor X, and the evil mutants, led by Magneto.

Re:"Speeding Up Evolution" (2, Funny)

JanusFury (452699) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465994)

And the women all have big breasts, oddly colored hair, and wear little to no clothing! I love evolution, don't you?

Re:"Speeding Up Evolution" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5466020)

Actually, "mucking around with the genome" is evolution if it's done on a medium or large scale. As any sophomore science student could tell you, evolution is a change in allele frequency. Basically, if 25% of the population has genes that encode for blue eyes, then five years later 20% of the population has those genes evolution has happened. Doesn't matter what caused the shift in expressed traits.

In Some Other Context... (5, Interesting)

Slapdash X. Hashbang (315401) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465876)

...Linus Torvalds said,
"And don't EVER make the mistake that you can design something better than
what you get from ruthless massively parallel trial-and-error with a
feedback cycle. That's giving your intelligence _much_ too much credit."

Re:In Some Other Context... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465924)

Yeah! Don't fly too close to the sun 'cuz your wings will melt!

Give me a break.

Re:In Some Other Context... (2, Insightful)

kfg (145172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465995)

You clearly haven't actually read, let alone understood, the myth.

There were *two* people on that particular flight. The one who stayed with the parameters of the design was *successful* in his flight.

Think about it.

KFG

Leonitis? or just Leon (0, Offtopic)

Ratso Baggins (516757) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465877)

So if after all the hype dies down and it does some "unforseen" things, will the condition be known as Leonitis, or will you just be Leon(d)?

Great... (5, Funny)

ConMotto (586959) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465878)

Great, now all the old folks will leech my social security momey fovever. As if social security wasn't screwed already.

Cyclic Extinctions (1)

BLuP1 (641290) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465882)

So, the article didn't really mention this but in passing, but given:

a) manifold movements are cyclical
b) extinction cycles are cyclical

A + B means large, slow, asteroids are pretty much funnelled in this way on a regular basis. I wonder if NEAR is looking at this as a way to predict odds of getting hit during a certain century.

Maybe I should just go back to bed.

-- B

Where's my warranty card? (4, Funny)

eidechse (472174) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465885)

If those damn aliens had a decent QA team I wouldn't need any enhancements.

lol (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465890)

MSN had this earlier today... slashdot is a joke. News my ass, it's just a bunch of shitty political commentary by Michael for the most part. Fuck you mikey.

Sounds like a geek drug (1)

Discordantus (654486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465892)

I mean really, you get an injection of this stuff, just sit around for couple weeks, and you get buffed up?
I predict masses of musclebound geeks by 2005...

Spider-Man? (3, Funny)

ufoman (544261) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465893)

Can they make a radioactive spider bite me so I can walk on walls?

Really? (1)

lastberserker (465707) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465895)

Engineered human "Blood" to speed up evolution, so that we become less susceptible to disease and injury.
If it is akin to making oneself "less susceptible to illness" by eating/drinking/injecting semi-lethal dozes of antibiotics then thank you very much, I had it right up here with what they call "medicine" here in States ;-P

Reminds me of that one ST:TNG ep (1)

dethl (626353) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465897)

where a lab creates the perfect humans...yet after a reaction with a common flu (i think?), their antibodies cause all sorts of havoc, mainly causing the labs staff to age very rapidly... Unless the FDA approves this anytime soon though, I'm not too worried about it.

injury is a good thing (1)

zome (546331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465898)

Injury encourages the chance of survival by making us (and other animals) fear of being injured. It prevents you from skydriving, thus you're not gonna die because of your parachute malfunctions, for example.

Re:injury is a good thing (1)

mythr (260723) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465948)

I think you're wrong. (weee-oooh, semantics police!) Pain is the good thing, because it prevents injury. Although I'm sure walking around with a broken leg has some psychological effect that dissuades one from engaging in subsequent dangerous activities, it's mostly because of the pain. I'm also equally sure that such injuries cost a lot of cavemen their lives.

But (0, Offtopic)

Exiler (589908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466033)

More people are killed by sheep each year than by skydiving, and yet we still have shepards...

This is transhumanism ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465901)

And if you disagree, you will be killed by those with implanted guass rifles. This will happen. "Ethicists" and "moralists" better make wills.

My evolution is speeding as you read this. (2, Funny)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465906)

Soon, I'll be so far ahead of the rest of humanity I'll be able to read /. stories an average of 10 to 20 minutes before the rest of you surrender-monkeys.

"superman"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465913)

I can think of one enhancement most men would go for. Unfortunately, eventually it's just too long and women are afraid of it.

Do people still use it? (3, Funny)

1nv4d3r (642775) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465914)

I tried it and went back to mutt. I do agree that evolution should be sped up, though. It was a little on the slow side, as I recall.

Re:Do people still use it? (2, Funny)

dotgain (630123) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465960)

Well, I chose "Quit" about thirty minutes ago, but it's still tidying up, so I suppose I'm still using it, yes.

Gattaca (1)

birdman666 (144812) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465915)

Reminds me of the movie Gattaca. Scary.

what about the reverse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465922)

when you accidentally evolve the cancer dna in your own blood and make some kind of super cancer that kills us all? huh? what then?

BURN THE SCIENTISTS!

speed up evolution (0)

Photar (5491) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465928)

My ass.

hi does this work (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465931)

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WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE MOD PARENT DOWN!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5465971)

FUCK! Where are my mod points when I need them???? WHY can't I keep them for longer? Why do you have to take them away??? I need them NOW!!!!!

How to speed up Evolution. (1)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465937)

killev.

Best script ever. Bring on the IMAP rewrite.

Speed up Evolution? (1)

burden123 (535350) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465938)

What a let down, here i was thinking i'd be able to download my email faster.

Re:Speed up Evolution? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5466036)

I'm a big fan of Evolution, but I recommend kmail to new users because it's simpler to use in conjunction with SpamAssassin. Hopefully Evolution will continue to improve so that I can once again recommend it to others.

Shoulda Coulda Woulda (1, Interesting)

kninja (121603) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465952)

They spent so much time pondering if they could. They never stopped to consider if they should.

This could get out of hand, but I'm an optimist. Let's just be careful, and explore.

Do the Evolution! (5, Interesting)

everlasting_beernut (654131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465959)

Anybody ever stop and think "Hey, evolution takes place over a very long period of time...perhaps we shouldn't fuck with it?" Nope. Everyone seems to think that all we need to do is make everyone the ideal. Well, if you do that: A: It is no longer any sort of ideal, an ideal is supposed to provide a goal, a motivation to be a better person, or to train harder, etc. B: Whose ideal are we working toward? Hitler's? An aryan nation of blonde haired, blue eyed automatons whose only goal in life is to serve to the best of his/her abilities (which will be greatly amplified by the techniques spoken of above, and more)? C: Whose to say that it will be him/her? Maybe it will be an asexual being, since the genes can just be created. If we can make the genes in a lab, why should anyone be grown (yes, grown-not born, grown) with genitals or a sex drive? --- Think about it, if variety is the spice of life, and we continue on the path we have chosen, the future will be quite bland...

Re:Do the Evolution! (2, Funny)

Discordantus (654486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466024)

actually, I think it'll lead to more variety... I can just see the kid begging their parents:
"Jack's mom let him grow horns! Why won't you just let me get tusks?"

How 'bout we fix sick people first (5, Insightful)

John Whorfin (19968) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465969)

My neighbor's kid has some syndrome where because of some genetic hiccup the kid has no upper body strength. No, I not saying the kid's a wimp, I'm saying he can't swallow or breathe on his own.

Apparently, the current thinking is that through gene therapy there's at least a possibilty the kid could be cured, ('cept there's a moratorium on gene therapy).

So, being super people is I guess all well and good, for me I'd just like to see this kid not have to eat through a tube.

Problems with longevity (3, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465975)

Many systems in the human body are simply not designed for extremely long lives. The heart beats only so many times before wearing out (as an aside almost all animals have the same number of lifetime heart beats regardless of size, environment etc except humans have about 3X as many), the genetic repair mechanisms are only so good at fighting off mutations such as cancer, and the one that needs to be solved for there to even be a chance for extremely long lives in tolemer capping (when cells devide the genes are seperated by DNA polymerase which unravels them in sections and continues until it reaches the tolemere caps, but each time they are slightly damaged, if the tolomers are not reinforced this eventually leads to the genes unravelling and the cell either self destructing or becoming cancerous, in mouse trials a simple physical cap extended the average lifespan by almost 3X)

Doesn't make sense.... (1)

Faeton (522316) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465988)

Genes are only part of the whole picture when it comes to muscle-mass. Genetically identical twins can have totally different physiques due to lifestyle, including diet and exercise (which, including genes, make the largest difference in physique).

Muscle mass automagically atrophies when not in use, so I don't see how someone can "grow" muscle like they would grow hair.

Obviously, there are serious moral and biological questions that have yet to be answered about all this. And unfortunately, these types of people usually have too optimistic view of the near-future. I mean, where are the flying-cars and annual visits to the moon?

Re:Doesn't make sense.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5466034)

But the atrophy process is controlled by hormonal regulation. Basically, your body says "I don't need this anymore, I would be better off turning the muscle into energy" and hormones are released to begin gluconeogenesis. Building muscle works the same way...you damage the muscles, your body says "I need more strength to keep up" and hormones are released to build muscle mass.

If you could fix someone so they were always releasing the "build muscle" regulatory hormones and proteins and never the "break down muscle" ones you would end up with someone who built muscle without work.

Re:Doesn't make sense.... (-1)

REDNOROCK (597025) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466041)

Well.. maybe 'grow' isn't the right term. Maybe they mean the muscle mass will become more dense. Denser muscle mass is a lot stronger.

Is this playing god? (4, Interesting)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 11 years ago | (#5465998)

I dont have feelings either way, but I can't help but wonder if this is a good or bad thing. I mean, we are basically taking shortcuts, and in the evoloutionary way of things, shortcuts usually have an adverse affect. Is our gene pool strong enough to coincide genetically altered DNA?

I'm all for creating new organs out of stems cells, if its needed for life. I know many good people would have lived longer if all they needed was an organ transplant.

Science is good, but you have to keep it in check with average human prosperity. Its like the "Prime Directive," you have to follow it or theres drastic consequences you can never forsee. You wouldn't give a monkey a gun if you knew he could understand the consequences of using it. Same thing applies here in an obscewred point.

Re:Is this playing god? (2)

everlasting_beernut (654131) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466007)

are you saying that you are going around giving monkeys guns, since they can't understand the consequences!?

Eugenics (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466005)

Eugenics is a great way to make people live longer , healthier, smarter and stronger .

It wont fly in the U.S. because of the religous folk.

If only the headline had been what I was thinking. (0, Redundant)

TheNarrator (200498) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466009)

Damn I thought we were going to get a faster linux mail program.

In the software world.... (3, Interesting)

Highwayman (68808) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466019)

In the software world we would call this vaporware. However when scientists get futuristic and show minimal results with some mice its visionary for some reason. This story should have been published 10 years from now with some viable results. This article is nothing more than an advertisement wrapped in an article probably set up by the R&D department of whoever is funding this mess. Give me a break. What's next a story about hover cars and teleportation? Enhancement studies have been consistently failing in the military for years. It always seems the same: (1) find out chemical X is depleted by activity Y. (2) Find a synthetic way of making chemical X. (3) Give loads and loads of X to person conducting activity Y. (4) Wonder why it gives them migranes, results in Air Force pilots dropping bombs on civilians, and causes permanent brain damage or cancer. A friend that worked at an aeromedical research lab had stories of permanent neurological damage caused through sleep retarding drugs and other performance enhancers. Such stories are all over the military enhancement research from failed LSD experiments to caffeine as performance enhancers. Vaporware says I.

Playing it backward? (1)

infonography (566403) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466037)

So if you play a Devo single in reverse is it Evoloution? I have to try that with 'We are Devo'

Re:Playing it backward? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5466067)

"Nobody expects the Linux Inquestion!"

Do you mean "Inquisition?"

And now for a comment from someone who knows... (5, Interesting)

chathamhouse (302679) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466049)

... my girlfriend does, she's working on a Ph.D. in skeletal muscle physiology. I cede my keyboard.
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While IGF-1 does wonderful things in mice, don't look for it at your local store or spam e-mail. Whatever people are selling in the spam shops isn't IGF-1, or anything remotely related to it. The real stuff is approximately $25 000 (US) per gram, which will treat 25 mice for a month, or one human for a day.

The problem with gene therapy is that it isn't available "now or soon", as stated in the article. The problem is that when the gene is injected, only a very small percentage of the muscle cells will express it. This means that delivery of the gene is very inefficient.

Adding onto this, there will be an immune response to the gene or the vector delivering the gene. This means that it won't hang around very long.

Next, there is a massive area to deliver to (all your skeletal muscle). And no efficient mechanism by which to accomplish this.

Basically, gene therapy is far from being a reality, let alone a mass market one that you could afford. To worry about gene doping at any Olympics in the forseable future is exceedingly premature.

The reason you can alter genes in mice is that their eggs can be manipulated in vitro . The manipulated eggs are artificially fertilized and injected into a pseudo-pregnant female. And while with this approach, only one cell has to be targetted, it still takes many many many months to create a transgenic mouse that expresses the proper genotype. Once that's done, you have to breed them - that's a lot of ass work for post-docs and PhD students.

Hedonistic Engineering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5466050)

Nanotechnology and genetic-engineering allow Homo sapiens to discard the legacy-wetware of our evolutionary past. Post-humans will rewrite the vertebrate genome, redesign the global ecosystem, and abolish suffering throughout the living world.

The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved only because they served the inclusive fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They can be replaced by a radically different sort of neural architecture. Life-long happiness of an intensity now physiologically unimaginable can become the genetically-preprogrammed norm of mental health. A sketch is offered of when, and why, this major evolutionary transition in the history of life is likely to occur. Possible objections, both practical and moral, are raised and then rebutted.

Today's images of opiate-addled junkies, and the lever-pressing frenzies of intra-cranially self-stimulating rats, are deceptive. Such stereotypes stigmatise, and falsely discredit, the only remedy for the world's horrors and everyday discontents that is biologically realistic. For it is misleading to contrast social and intellectual development with perpetual happiness. There need be no such trade-off. States of "dopamine-overdrive" can actually enhance exploratory and goal-directed activity. Hyper-dopaminergic states can also increase the range and diversity of actions an organism finds rewarding. So our descendants may live in a civilisation of well-motivated "high-achievers", animated by gradients of bliss. Their productivity may far eclipse our own.

Two hundred years ago, before the development of potent synthetic pain-killers or surgical anaesthetics, the notion that "physical" pain could be banished from most people's lives would have seemed no less bizarre. Most of us in the urban-industrial West now take its daily absence for granted. The prospect that what we describe as "mental" pain, too, could one day be superseded is equally counter-intuitive. The technical option of its abolition turns its deliberate retention into an issue of political policy and ethical choice.

And Where can I buy my super-sex bot gene? (4, Funny)

liupang (256574) | more than 11 years ago | (#5466063)

That's the killer application that genetic engineering solely needed. oh yeah.
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