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Review of Nokia 7250 - Triband GSM w/camera

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the things-to-fidget-with dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The new Nokia 7250 is out. Small, very cool looking phone that even has a built-in camera. 3 page review with 6 pages of photos, including a photo gallery of images taken by the 7250 itself - with some human help, of course."

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A phone story with a PDA logo! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472369)

Owned fag hags. First post for the eskimo lesbians!

Re:A phone story with a PDA logo! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472426)

Its about time that repressed minority gots its voice heard!

Dresden should be firebombed again (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472477)

fofofofofo

Fuck you all (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472374)

Stroke my knob and cum comes out [goatse.cx]
Oh yes Oh yes Oh Yes

Stroke my knob and cum comes out
Oh yes Oh yes Oh Yes

Re:Fuck you all (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472481)

But my knob is busy [boners.com]
It's holding a penny

FP? (-1, Flamebait)

KD7JZ (161218) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472375)

This is a 3.9874G first post!

w00t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472376)

first post!
wow, i feel pathetic

Yeah, but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472377)

...does it run Linux [redhat.com] ?

To me, that looks ugly. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472382)

It looks more like a remote control than a phone. I generally don't look at remote controls as cool.

This is completely on topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472406)

It's a direct reply to a comment in the summary that the phone is cool looking. Geez. Stupid moderation.

Re:This is completely on topic (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472614)

It's a direct reply to a comment

Direct replys to comments are always moderated as off topic. I find that giving comments moderated as offtopic a +1 modifier makes /. a whole lot more readable. Shooting some of the idiot moderators would probably work too.

Re:This is completely on topic (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472778)

To be perfectly fair I don't have any problem with your post resting at a score of 1. That's seems about right. However, it was quite clearly relevant and on topic.

This is one of the problems with open peer review.

To paraphrase Bill Cosby:

"Yeah, but what if your peers are assholes?"

KFG

Re:This is completely on topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5473100)

I had no problem with it resting a score of 0, I just didn't think it deserved the -1 it got almost immediately. But oh well, remedied.

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

anonymous coword (615639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472383)

Add me to your foes list you fucking ass lickers!

YOU ARE SO FIRED! (-1, Troll)

YOU ARE SO FIRED! (635925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472442)

... so I said, "What do I care? It's only a little fertilizer!" HAHHAHAHAha..ha... whew! Yeah, that is pretty fun... oh, hello. What was your name again? Ah, it's not important. Look - your performance as of late has just been terrible. And susan down in accounting, well, she told me that she found you um, self satisfying yourself at your desk after hours. Well, guess what! You're fired. Get the hell out of my office.

anus (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472388)

FUCKED UP THE arse BY A giant knob.

Already down :( (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472396)

Maybe they are hosting the site on one of them phones... Sorry couldn't help myself

Re:Already down :( (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472558)

well.

mobile . BURN . com

First prime factorization post (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472397)

7250 = 2 * 5^3 * 29

Re:First prime factorization post (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472459)

Flamebait indeed. The true factorization is:

7250 = (1+i)*(1-i)*(1-2*i)^3*(1+2*i)^3*(2+5*i)*(2-5*i)

whoa talk about information overload (1, Insightful)

stonebeat.org (562495) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472403)

now we have visual information overload. no time to deciper the meaning of the data. does that make us less knowledgeable?

Re:whoa talk about information overload (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472562)

If a man is stubborn on any one subject so much that he would die before accepting the opposing viewpoint, he is not fit to live; for to be human, one must continually adapt and change. Stagnation causes decay, change promotes diversity and preservation of our species.

Re:whoa talk about information overload (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472608)

Shut the fuck up. It's a camera on a cell phone, not a particle accelerator. Are you that inept?

I'd rather have a pager (3, Funny)

tcd004 (134130) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472411)

with a built in phone. I wonder if this phone takes photos. [lostbrain.com]

Still, I prefer pagers. They don't cause brain cancer. [lostbrain.com]

tcd004

Re:I'd rather have a pager (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472449)

No, I know you prefer homosexuals, don't try and deny it.

Partial Text; Images (5, Informative)

Scoria (264473) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472414)

The Slashdot Effect has already rendered this website inaccessible. Below is page one of the review:

It is no secret that I was no big fan of the Nokia 7210. The feature set was good, the look was, well, interesting, and it had a lot of things going for it. It just had the world's worst keypad ever. The buttons had a strange shape, were not lined up properly, and the direction buttons were just so poorly designed that I was constantly hitting the wrong one.

So in spite of a lot of potentially good things about the phone, I couldn't stand to use it.

Fast forward a bit to the new 7250. It has a shape similar to the 7210. It, too, has very creatively designed keys and buttons. It comes in vivid colors and user changeable covers and has all of the features that the 7210 had. It even has something new, a built-in camera.

The results of these few seemingly minor changes is astounding. The 7250 is an awesome phone.

The 7250 has all of the features that you want in a phone, for the most part. It is triband GSM, it has a color display, polyphonic ringtones, Java, and a speakerphone function, too. Sure, it is missing Bluetooth, but I pretty much have given up on Nokia and Bluetooth ever really working well together. For as much as Nokia seems bent on getting others to use their UI standard (Series 60), they sure seem unable to play by somebody elses rules (those of the Bluetooth SIG).

But outside of Bluetooth, this device has it all.

Color rules
Everything about the 7250 revolves around color, it seems. The covers are all very rich looking, with subtle textures looking like brushed metal. The color display is large and very bright, and it shows off the photos taken by the internal camera very well. In fact, I would say that the 7250's display and camera work better together than any pair I have seen on a mobile handset to date. When you take a photo with the internal camera and view it, it looks like how you saw it. Clear, bright, colorful.

The display is not made of the most modern technology, though. It is a 4096 color passive matrix display, just like the earlier color Nokias. In my mind, 4096 colors is enough for a phone. I don't think you can really appreciate more colors on such a small display. The images are not large enough to be able to appreciate subtle tone changes that higher color depths offer. I do think that a switch to an active matrix display would be worth it, though. But not really for the brighter colors or such, but to avoid display ghosting.

For the same reason that passive matrix displays were so unpopular on early color laptops, they should not be used here. Passive matrix displays show a lot of image ghosting in situations with high contrast (the calendar numbers on a white background) or fast action (the Bounce game). The ghosting in the 7250 is not as bad as the 7210, in that the calendar looks fine, but Bounce still does not look great. Any kind of scrolling game, like Bounce, demands an active matrix display. Triple Bop, on the other hand, runs and looks just fine as is.

But outside of Bounce, I think the display and phone are well paired. As I mentioned before, the images from the new internal camera really shine on the phone's display - something that is pretty rare. The image quality from the internal camera is quite decent in general, but it lacks resolution. This is not a problem for use as a wallpaper on the phone, but it is an issue if you want to use the image on your PC. The maximum resolution for a photo is only 352x288, but for such small images they still look nice on a PC. I have included a number of samples in one of the following pages after the end of the review so you can see for yourself.

The camera has 3 quality settings, Basic, Normal, High. I recommend using High at all times since the images are still very small (12K max, give or take), and the 7250 has so much free memory (5MB out of the box). That's plenty of room. There are two photo sizes, too: Standard and Portrait. Portrait shoots small images suitable for MMS messages. Perhaps the coolest thing the camera has is the Self-Timer function. This causes the phone to wait a few seconds before snapping the photo after you press the button, giving you time, presumably, to get into the photo. The problem with that scenario is that the phone is not very stable when standing on end. But I imagine that this would be useful in some situation, and it surely didn't cost anything to add the feature. So thumbs up.

Considering the lack of a need for an attachment, the negligible impact on phone size, and the relative good quality of the images, I would have to say this is my favorite camera in a phone. I'd like more resolution, sure, but I prefer image quality to resolution, so this is a winner in my book.


I've established a complete mirror [initialized.org] of the images referenced by Mobile Burn. Perhaps "The Mysterious Future" was intended to enable the creation of mirrors by subscribers.

Re:Partial Text; Images (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472422)

You fucking non-troll, go suck your Mum's knob, you know she wants it.

I think your Dad wants to fuck you up the rectum again, I can hear him shouting - 'Oh, my sexlord, come to me, Oh OH'

page two and three (3, Interesting)

- rayyyy - (637502) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472443)

here's the rest of the article:
Great voice sound, only decent ring sound One of the things that really impressed me about the 7250 was the sound quality of the phone calls. Part of this is due to the internal speaker, of course, but I credit most of it to the really strong reception ability of the internal antenna. This handset holds a signal much better than the Sony Ericsson T68i or the Siemens S55, and this means that I get clear voice sound even the radio tower black hole where I am living outside of Philadelphia. Reception is very bad in my apartment, but the Nokia performed better than any phone I have used here - including a few with external an external antenna. The fore mentioned speakerphone function also provides good sound quality. It is decently loud, enough so to be used comfortably in a normal setting. I am not sure how it would function in a crowded board room or a moving automobile, though.

The other aspect of sound in the 7250 did not leave me as impressed. Like most modern phones today, the 7250 has polyphonic sound. Unlike some other Nokias, though, the 7250's polyphonics are for the most part appropriately loud. And that's great, as it is my most common complaint. What it lacks is musical ability. The ringtones just sound a bit mechanical, especially when compared to last week's test of the Samsung SGH-S300. The sounds just don't match up. They are good, far better than what we first saw from Nokia (the 3510), but they just pale in comparison to some of the Asian handsets I have used. But as I said, they are still good, just not the best.

Another sound related failing is the lack of voice dialing and voice commands. I really didn't think this was possible, but I have gone through the manual a few times - and I can not find anything regarding voice commands. This is a disappointment since I use that feature quite often. I'm sure many other people will be similarly disappointed. I guess we will have to resort to speed dials.

The last sound related aspect of the 7250 would be the FM Radio. When attached to the supplied stereo headset, the 7250 can be used as a FM radio. The headset cable is used as the antenna, which is why the radio will not function without it. Even with the headset attached, though, there is no way to use the speakerphone function to listen to the radio. That's a shame, but Nokia does sell a stereo speaker cradle for the 7250 that you can place on your desk. I think that is a bit of overkill, though. In any event, the sound from the radio is good - provided you have a good signal. The auto tuning works pretty well, but seems to ignore a lot of stations that it considers to be weak. As such, a small change in your position can result in certain stations being ignored while new ones will be found by the auto tuning. You always have the ability to manually tune, too. I'm not sure what kind of effect running the radio will have on battery performance. I don't have enough time to let it run down and compare. And in case you were concerned, the radio turns itself off whenever the phone makes a sound or goes into a call state. You won't miss a call because of the radio.

Sync it While the 7250 comes with no included software, it is compatible with Nokia's PC Suite v5.1. PC Suite is available for download on the Nokia site.

PC Suite v5.1 has a lot of capabilities, including the ability to Synchronize the 7250's contacts with Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Express, Lotus Notes, and Lotus Organizer. Synchronization was fast and simple after I accounted for the different names of the default folders in my German copy of Outlook 2002.

There is a phone browser app in the suite that will allow you to download the assorted images and sounds from the phone to your PC. The phone browser can be accessed in the main PC Suite application like the rest of the PC Suite features, but best of all, it is integrated directly into the Windows Explorer. Whenever your phone has its IR port on and is lined up with a similar port on your PC, you can just cruise through the 7250's internal file system as if it was a random hard disk on your computer. Works well.

The Phone Editor application lets you edit a small subset of the 7250's settings from your PC. The Phone Editor also lets you get at SMS messages that are stored on the phone and configure WAP settings and a few other things. Not as robust as some systems I have seen, but adequate.

There are also a few multimedia related apps in the PC Suite. These include the Sound Converter and Image Converter. You use these apps to format your images and sounds from your PC into a format that the 7250 can use. The Content Copier application then lets you backup your phone to your PC, or to restore everything to your phone.

All in all, the PC Suite worked well.

Main Features The 7250 supports all of the main features you would expect. The message system is standard Nokia fare, and works well - even if it does not offer as large a selection of message types as others. The SMS system is everything you would expect from Nokia. Easy to use, fast text input (with T9, of course), and SMS profiles. The MMS editor was a bit on the weak side since it does not allow for the entering of sounds into a message, only text and images. It also does not seem possible to enter pauses and such. What is lacking is real email support. There is no POP/IMAP/SMTP support in the 7250, only a feeble SMS-Email gateway feature that won't be widely used. I wish it had real email support, as it would be nice to be able to send the photos direct to somebody's desk.

The 7250's phone book is pretty good. It allows multiple numbers per contact, email addresses, street addresses, and note, too. You can tell it which number for each contact is the default number, but you can not set this globally for all contacts. You can define caller groups that the profile system can take advantage of, too. A few things lacking in the system would be T9 input in some fields (like notes) and the lack of picture caller ID. Considering the 7250 has a built-in camera, this seems like a glaring omission to me. The phonebook app also allows you to copy entries to/from the SIM card, and can make use of either the internal list, the SIM list, or both phone number lists when searching for a number.

The profile system in the 7250 is pretty nice. It allows you to configure the 5 pre-defined profiles decently. You can rename them, change ringtones, enable/disable the vibration alert, etc. That's all par for the course, though. The more important feature for many people will be the ability to use timed profiles. Basically, you can turn a profile, such as meeting, and have the 7250 automatically rever back to the general profile at some pre-determined time when the meeting will be over. No more missing calls due to a muted phone. The profiles can also be configured to allow/disallow certain predefined caller groups, too. These same caller groups can have ringtones that override the default profile ringtone. In short, the 7250's profile system is really ready for business.

The 7250's call register is top-notch. Not only can you track missed/received/dialed phone numbers, but you can also track GPRS usage. The GPRS counters separately track both data in and out, plus connection time. This will allow you to track your costs on most any of the current mobile networks. Easy to use, easy to reset. Nothing glamourous, but it does its job.

The settings section of the phone will be nothing new to anybody that has used a Nokia phone in the past couple of years. Sure, there are some new things like the Memory Status feature, and a screen-saver timeout that can be set to virtually any length, but for the most part it is all something we have seen before. Except for one noteable exception. The first option deals with the settings of the right softkey. By default the right softkey looks up names, just as it has in virtually every other Nokia phone made in the past 5 years. But now it can do more. Working much like Sony Ericsson's Shortcuts or the Siemens My Favorites list, you can now pick and choose the features that will be selected when you press the right softkey from the standby display. This will give you much faster access to commonly used features. For some reason, perhaps historical, you can not remove Names from that list, so it is not possible to make that right softkey act as a one-touch access to a feature other than Names. But you will want to put a list of features in there anyway, so that is not a problem.

Standard fare for a high-end phone these days is an assortment of PIM features. The 7250 covers this, too. The calendar app is useable, even if it is missing a weekly view. The To-Do list is simple, supporting just a short description and a priority, but makes up for that by allowing list entries to be saved to specific dates on the calendar. There is also an alarm clock thrown in to round things out. The Extras section of the 7250 offers up a few more related features, like a calculator, countdown timer, stopwatch, and wallet function.

There are a few applications included in the 7250 right out of the box. Two games, Bounce and Triple Pop, and one utility - Converter II. Other Java based games and apps can be easily downloaded using the 7250's WAP browser. GPRS setup for WAP browsing was pretty painless, and the system worked well. I downloaded a few sample images and ringtones from the Club Nokia website without a hitch.

Good to go That is pretty much everything. The 7250 has a lot of features, most of which that work really well. The new keypad layout is as usable as it is trendy looking, unlike that of the 7210. It has a great display, good audio capabilities, and a very usable internal camera. I only long for Bluetooth - proper Bluetooth that supported all manufacturers headsets and PC cards.

But in the end, I have to highly recommend this phone. I like the 6100 a lot, I like the 7250 a lot more. Ignoring Bluetooth, this is my favorite candybar shaped phone on the market. You will love it.

A ton of high-res photos are available on the following pages, including a small gallery of photos taken with the 7250's camera.

Re:Partial Text; Images (1)

catch23 (97972) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472509)

a ha!

since I subscribe, I got to read the article in the mysterious future when it wasn't slashdotted! Some subscribers should make a mirror of the site when it's actually in the mysterious future....

Re:Partial Text; Images (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472523)

What should happen, is either /. should warn websites that they're about to shotgun their website, or the website admin will do what I have done for about 100 sites.

I've written an apache module that will, after a threshold is met via referrers/sec...
#1 Email the admin
#2 if it continues to the 2nd threshold, it will return an "Authorizatin Required" HTTP error.
Other sites do things such as redirect (through mod_rewrite to microsoft, but my favorite does it to goatse.cx)

Re:Partial Text; Images (1)

Scoria (264473) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472526)

Actually, I am considering the prospect of developing a web application that attempts to create mirrors of websites referenced by these Slashdot articles. This was my attempt to determine the amount of requisite bandwidth. ;)

But can it... (4, Funny)

Quaoar (614366) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472417)

...be set to stun mode?

Re:But can it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472429)

No, you piece of shit, go back to the bin where you can get free food.

Re:But can it... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472441)

tits crap tits crap ? tits crap ?tits crap(knob_)

I dunno.... (4, Insightful)

Nogami_Saeko (466595) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472423)

It doesn't look all that great to me when compared with the SE P800...

The server has already pretty-much melted down, but it's another Nokia phone - all of the cells that I've had in the last few years have been GSM Nokias - they perform pretty decently, are easy to navigate around, but there's nothing ever really revolutionary...

I think my next phone will be the P800 - once the price drops a bit...

N.

Re:I dunno.... (4, Insightful)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472468)

It doesn't look all that great to me when compared with the SE P800...


Yeah, and my desktop is faster than top-of-the line PDA's, so why would anyone want a PDA? Seriously, you are comparing apples to oranges. 7250 is a phone with a camera. P800 is a phone/PDA-hybrid (like Nokia 9210), and it costs "a bit" more if I'm not mistaken. They are meant for entirely different markets.

Re:I dunno.... (1)

Rob Riggs (6418) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472511)

I really like the features of the P800. The price is a bit shocking. But the kicker is that the P800 looks so... ugly. I think that the SonyEricsson designers need to go back to school. Nokia and Motorola make much prettier phones.

Re:I dunno.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472575)

Well, taste is, just like my ass, divided.

Nokia is for regular people without taste (i.e. average joe). That goes for motorola too (even crappier). I admit that not all of SE's cell phones look great, but they at least look superior to most nokia phones. P800 looks like brick, though. The phone in the article is a bad experiment, like most of Nokia's newer cells.

P800 rules!!! (0, Troll)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472427)

Thought costing just a tad bit more :) the SonyEricsson P800 [sonyericsson.com] is by far the best phone out there. US release date is March 15 (or 17th, something like that).

If its anything like the Nokia 7650... (2, Interesting)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472434)

..then it would be hard not to reccomend this phone.

I bought myself the Ericsson T68i a few months ago which I thought was pretty good, but then borrowed a friends Nokia 7650 - despite the fact its a load bigger and heavier, the phone is a million times better than the T68i.

Massive amounts of storage, the camera can take pictures of surprising quality, and a PDA like interface which is slick & colourful.

This new Nokia can only be better! Wouldn't mind checking one out! :)

Re:If its anything like the Nokia 7650... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472440)

It would be hard not to recommend your Mum, shes so good in bed!

Re:If its anything like the Nokia 7650... (1)

ecki (115356) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472978)

The 7650 is a totally different beast - Nokia should really do something about their numbering scheme, it sucks. The 7650 runs Series 60 on Symbian 6.0, the 7250 uses a closed (from an application developers point of view) custom OS.

Wow! 6 pages with pictures (0, Offtopic)

MonoSynth (323007) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472446)

so we can /. them in less than 5 minutes! w00t!

Re:Wow! 6 pages with pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472455)

Start wanking boy, your Dad is calling you for a bit of action.

The colour balance of the camera (4, Informative)

abhikhurana (325468) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472454)

The colour balance of the camera of 7250 is not good, too much red tinge in the pics. Overall I don0t like quality of photos taken by the internal camera. I like photography and atleast for me, small size of the lens is not an excuse for bad picture quality. Infact a I happened to use a prototype phone made by samsung as a friend of mine was working on that product, and the image quality was really good, 1024x768. In fact the picture quality of even Sony Ericsson P800 is much better than 7250. But I do like the fact that the reception of 7250 is better than T68i because that sucks sometimes.

Re:The colour balance of the camera (1)

Hal-9001 (43188) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473057)

That doesn't sound like something Photoshop can't fix. It's a phone which happens to have a built-in webcam--there's only so much picture quality you can expect.

Incidentally, resolution is directly proportional to the focal ratio of a lens, i.e. for a given focal length a smaller-diameter lens will take worse pictures than a larger-diameter lens, so a small lens is actually a good excuse for bad picture quality. Of course the resolution of digital cameras is primarily limited by the size of the pixels on the array, so the lenses in these cameras are probably pretty bad since there's no point in wasting money on a good lens when all that resolution is going to be wasted on a crappy CCD or CMOS array.

Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (3, Interesting)

Olentangy (118364) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472465)

I just don't see myself buying a new phone that doesn't have Bluetooth included.

I have a Nokia phone that has served me well, but I am looking to trade up to a new phone this year. Without Bluetooth, this phone won't be on my list of possiblities.

Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (1)

technomancerX (86975) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472577)

Amen. What does Nokia have against Bluetooth? Do they realize the number of customers they're losing over this?

Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (2, Interesting)

blowdart (31458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472819)

What do they have against it? They can't get it to work. The first camera phone doesn't work with bluetooth headsets, they never talk to any bluetooth PC device that isn't a Nokia, which makes backing the phones up painful and each phone, with each ROM revision messes up something else, so the phones don't talk to each other.

I've given up on Nokias now because of this. Next time, I may end up with a Sony.

Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (1)

kju (327) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472904)

What a nonsense. My 7650 talks to every PC device i've come across to. For myself i use a el-cheepo ETiX USB-Bluetooth-Adapter without any pain, another example is the built-in bluetooth from a think pad, which worked like a charm too. And connections to Siemens S55 and Nokia 6310 were without problems too. So the only valid point (and this is a real problem) is the missing support for headsets/audio devices.

But in total i like my 7650. It works nice and stable. No problems so far (with the second one, the first one was kind of DOA, but this can happen, doesn't mean anything).

Re:Bluetooth missing is a show stopper (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472596)

exactly, especially with the camera and 3rd party fun.

sure this is a sweetie for those telecoms that wan't you to use their 'cheap' services for getting the pictures out of the phone into the web 'easier'.

(ir sucks.)

Sorry but (0, Redundant)

haloscan (566834) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472475)

Their server [burn.com] has burned up and is spitting out Internal Server errors.

Nokia Sync Soft (5, Interesting)

Sinus0idal (546109) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472479)

Shame, last time I checked Nokia still insisted on producing their phone synchronisation software for windows.

Anyone know of an open alternative? I guess it would need a depth of knowledge about the phone hardware which would be hard without Nokia support...

Re:Nokia Sync Soft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472907)

As far as I know, most of the PIM functionality is GSM standard, and you can have OS implementation of this (I know for sure that you can extract Phonebook entries and SMS messages from the mobile equipment using standard GSM AT commands)

Re:Nokia Sync Soft (4, Informative)

kubla2000 (218039) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473251)

Yes. Gnokii is a fantastic tool. I use it over IR with my 6310i.

http://www.gnokii.org/

Google feeds Spammers! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472482)

Big Surpise (-1, Troll)

BorgDrone (64343) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472483)

It looks exactly like every other nokia phone ever made.

Behold, the fruit of desperation. (2, Insightful)

LazloToth (623604) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472490)

Can it be anything other than a sign of desperation when tech-gadget companies begin throwing together as many vaguely-related features as possible in the hope that some pocket-sized combination of dissimilar appliances will fire the imagination of the buying public and drive sales for a financial quarter or two? That said, does anyone make a good portable label maker with a built-in PDA?

I dont know why.... (3, Insightful)

dracken (453199) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472491)

A Nokia color phone should get so much mention at slashdot. Samsung S105 [amazon.com] with color screen (65k colors) has been around for sometime, with polyphonic ringtones, java et. al. And Sonyericcson t68i [amazon.com] has bluetooth on top of color screen. Motorola T720i [amazon.com] has all these + a color cam. Put simply - nokia isnt the first with color screen. Nokia isnt the first with java or cam. There are phones with all these features + bluetooth out there (for a long time now). Why mention Nokia on slashdot ?

Standard disclaimer - I am not trolling nor do I work for any cell phone company.

Re:I dont know why.... (4, Informative)

Masque (20587) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472635)

Why mention this Nokia versus the others you mentioned? Glad to assist you in understanding.

First, the Samsung S105. It's a Samsung. Decent phone, but nowhere near the following that Nokia has. Nokia has a better UI, a better reputation for quality and several other minor advantages. This essentially could be answered by saying, "For the same reason a new Compaq notebook doesn't get mentioned on Slashdot whereas the Apples do."

The t68i was mentioned very recently [slashdot.org] here on Slashdot, in fact it was its replacement (and several sister models) that were featured in the story, so your objection here makes little sense.

The T720i? It doesn't "have a cam", it has an attachable camera. Yuck. Secondly, this phone has also been mentioned on Slashdot, in fact in an article far more apropos for Slashdot's (claimed) theme: An article on developing applications for the T720 [slashdot.org] .

What exactly was your objection again?

Spycam (5, Interesting)

weiyuent (257436) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472500)

Hmmm...

The way the camera is situated on the back of the phone makes it very easy to surreptitiously take photos. You would merely appear to be dialing a number on your phone.

I'll bet this phone will become the next journalist's, spy's, and uber-geek's must-have toy. I can also envision many socially compromising situations when these covertly taken photos are eventually discovered, especially since the amalgamation of technologies encourages for these photos to be spread on the net.

"What??? I didn't know you were taking my picture! I thought you were just calling someone! Did I give you permission to take my picture and publish it? Get out of my bed, NOW!!"

Re:Spycam (2, Interesting)

MoTec (23112) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472600)

Actually, I read somewhere that in Japan new phone/cams have to make a sound like the shutter click on a film camera. It's to let people around know that a picture is being taken.

Re:Spycam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5473123)

Hmmm.. I think I'll move to Japan and sell my leet phone modding skillz. Just one snip of a wire and tada! no sound.

Re:Spycam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472629)

The way the camera is situated on the back of the phone makes it very easy to surreptitiously take photos. You would merely appear to be dialing a number on your phone.

Great, so pretty soon all mobile phones will be banned from titty bars due to the "no cameras" rule, and I'll be able to make a nice living breaking into cars in their parking lots and stealing the phones that can no longer be taken inside, and selling them on the street.

Re:Spycam (1)

blowdart (31458) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472831)

They make a very loud clicking, slutter like sound. Hard to hide.

Keys, keys, keys!! (4, Insightful)

Wills (242929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472519)


For me, there is only one feature on a phone that really counts: the keys.

The best keypad I've used was on the Nokia 8310/8210 handsets: tough, precise, no wobble, consistent springiness, rectangular keytops.

The Sony Ericsson T65i has a really unpleasant set of wobbly keys, with inconsistently stiff springs. Similarly the latest Nokia handsets all have horrid keys.

you use Keys, keys, keys? (0)

johnjones (14274) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472918)

come on you actually dial numbers ?

I have not used the keypad in a while, my T68i joystick is great if anyone here has used the SPV from Microsoft will know that a good joystick is a must have

I write my SMS's on my mac alot of the time and use bluetooth but hey I am a geek yes keys are nice but they can often be not needed depending on who you target it at

Nokia release phones with SyncML but you need to use a cable ?? No Bluetooth thats plain stupid they seem to be going for the girls with this phone nokia has always targeted segments very well but they might just lose the market if they dont start putting bluetooth in asap and get a sync actually Works and go back to clip on covers

I saw a girl in the bar writeing out all her contacts onto paper I asked what phone she was getting next and she said any one that could back up all her numbers !

carriers are missing a BIG revenue stream here offer a backup sync server service with all your numbers and you get customers locked in and if you use SyncML you get to use any modern phone why dont they do this ?

regards

John Jones

p.s. phones should have all have a IPv6 address IMHO

I call FUD! (1)

Wills (242929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473426)

Surely, you're kidding? All Nokia phones can backup your contacts/addresses to another handset wirelessly using IR -- no cable required. Any good retailer with Nokia stock will offer to do this for their customers when they buy a new handset. Anyway, I don't need Bluetooth; for me it's a waste of time and battery power, so I turn it off.

mac/laptop/pda: In many urban areas of the world, to use a mobile phone handset in public is to risk inviting a street robbery. In my capital city (not an atypical city), only a fool would also carry a laptop/PDA in public because that amplifies the robbery risk. If you don't believe that, check out the police robbery statistics (sometimes broken down into a category for theft of phone handsets) for major cities in most of the G8 countries. Anyway, not many people I know like carrying more than one gadget at a time.

Yes, the T68i's joystick is fun and sometimes even useful but the joystick is almost useless for writing text. I also find predictive text input on all phones to be very ineffective. The other real problem with every Sony/Ericsson T68i/T68/T9000/T(any model you like) handset is that they have slowWWWW responses compared to Nokias -- every menu, every keypress, every joystick movement gives a lagged response. I don't think a 250+msecs lag is acceptable. The Nokia 8210/8310 handsets have delightfully quick responses.

Here's a scary thought (0, Offtopic)

Dukeofshadows (607689) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472521)

If this sort of technology is available to the everyday consumer, what sorts of gizmos do you think our governments are using for the counter-terrorist effort?

Nokia 7250 (1, Funny)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472527)

Does it also run the webserver that is hosting that review ? ;)

Business users and nerds steer clear. (4, Interesting)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472533)

Remember just two days ago when we were discussing the negative social effects of cellphones? [slashdot.org] Yet when something with all these flashy features comes out, everyone is *drool* *drool* *drool* :-)

This is undoubtedly a cool phone, and adds a bit of flair to Nokia's now-tired cellphone design (we've had to put with it for about 6 years here in Europe) but relating this to our previous discussion, are these features actually any use to business users?

I'm undecided. Stereo sound is pretty useless, color screens are pretty useless, FM radio is useless, and multiple color schemes? Please. Business users don't need that crap.

It seems like this phone has been decided to be the 'latest trendy thing' rather than something a nerd could have any real use for.

Having a tiny digital camera on hand is a great idea, to take pictures of number plates, crooks, and what not.. but it's not good enough res to be used professionally.

Tri-band is useful for the international traveller.. but where's the 3G? 3G is going live in the UK as we speak, and it's a waste of money buying a phone that can't deal with it.

Yup, this is just a phone for the socialites.

(P.S. Did you realise there's a $10,000 Nokia cellphone made in gold with encrusted diamonds.. not bullshitting, seen a number of stories about celebrities buying them. Anyone know what they're called?)

Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472579)

(P.S. Did you realise there's a $10,000 Nokia cellphone made in gold with encrusted diamonds.. not bullshitting, seen a number of stories about celebrities buying them. Anyone know what they're called?)

You want to look at vertu [vertu.com] They are enormous. If you live in London, you can see them for sale at Selfridges.

It seems a great deal of money for something that you can easily leave in a cab.

Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (3, Funny)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472611)

It seems a great deal of money for something that you can easily leave in a cab.

People who can afford to drop that kind of coin on a frickin' mobile phone do not take cabs very often, more like limos.

I'd be more worried about dropping the thing. For $10000, it had better detect sudden acceleration due to gravity and trigger an onboard anti-gravity field generator to stop the fall.

~Philly

Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (4, Funny)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472581)

(P.S. Did you realise there's a $10,000 Nokia cellphone made in gold with encrusted diamonds.. not bullshitting, seen a number of stories about celebrities buying them. Anyone know what they're called?)

Vertu [vertu.com] . I believe it is Latin for "person with too much money." I mean, that is like Krusty the Clown-level conspicuous consumption.

~Philly

Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472597)

www.vertu.com [vertu.com]

Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (1)

jquirke (473496) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473252)

At the risk of losing my karma, due to saying anything slightly anti-USA:

Another post typical of American arrogance. You are so ignorant of the fact that when it comes to mobile phones it is a completely different culture in other regions of the world - UK, Asia, Australia.

As for your 3G comment, you clearly have no idea. 3G (3GSM/UMTS) networks are going live, in current GSM-Phase2+ countries, but GSM-Phase2+ is going to be around for a very long time. In fact 3GSM is just another evolution really on top of EDGE, which in turn was an evolution upon GPRS. Most newer handsets supporting UMTS can transparently roam GSM/GPRS/EGPRS networks and even hand over whilst in a CSD connection.

It will be a significant amount of time before the UMTS networks will have a coverage footprint even on the same scale as GSM.

Re:Business users and nerds steer clear. (1)

version5 (540999) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473374)

You're right. What use is a socialite phone to a nerd with no life?

But seriously, its pretty obvious that this is not a business phone. With sound, color and a camera, its mostly for personal, non-business use. Why not evaluate it on its <i>intended</i> purpose instead of evaluating it on some other completely different purpose and then loudly complain that it doesn't fit?

The camera is not good enough to be used professionally! What an amazing observation. No, I think this is a great phone for its intended purpose. I don't think its revolutionary enough to talk about on /. though.

No Bluetooth == Useless.... (4, Interesting)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472552)

But outside of Bluetooth, this device has it all.

When will Nokia get on the ball? Bluetooth is too fun for stuff like phonelist/addressbook syncing, remote-controlling your Mac (cheap slideshow clcker, iTunes controller), doing GPRS dialup, wireless headset, wireless carphone, etc.

Now that I'm one of a handful of techies who just landed a job in NYC (thank you, thank you ;) I am actually gonna be putting a wireless carphone rig in my car (at the same time as getting the Becker TrafficPro, new amps and new speakers), so any phone I get to replace my slow-interface T68m MUST have Bluetooth.

And yes, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE a PDA with a thin HDD that had bluetooth, gps, gsm, a mic and camera, et al. Even if you could only use the phone functionality with a bluetooth headset. Maybe it could come with a stereo wireless headset with noise cancellation, bluetooth enabled so you could listen to music and it would pause when you place/receive a call...

Re:No Bluetooth == Useless.... (1)

Linux Ate My Dog! (224079) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472605)

Stop whining, there are Nokias coming out with Bluetooth. The 3650's Bluetooth implementation has worked just fine for me when I tested it. In fact, it was great fun to stand outside the Apple store in the Cambridge galleria and send pics to whatever new Apple laptop was listening for the signal, surprising the people trying them out.

Available at T-Mobile soon, I believe. The thing's shipping.

Re:No Bluetooth == Useless.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472648)

pr0n?! that would have been fun.

More info & pics (4, Informative)

K3lvin (624437) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472564)

There's more info:
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-7 250-en. shtml

Pics taken with it:
http://tude.tripod.com/temp.html
http://www. mantere.sjr.fi/7250/

Yes, but why do I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472580)

I'm still waiting for a compelling argument in favor of adding a low-quality digital camera to a so-so phone. The photos are so crappy that the only thing they're good for is sending them to other phones - at considerable additional expense for data transmission. Truth be told, these phones just don't push my geek-appeal buttons.

Can someone tell my why people want camera phones? (3, Insightful)

Uttles (324447) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472616)

I just don't understand it. You know what I want? I want a phone that stores numbers, and when I call people it sounds crystal clear and I never get a "signal faded" notice and get cut off. That's it. No more, no less. Make the damn thing work like a phone and make it work well.

Nowadays it's all about how big the screen is and games and camera abilities and bluetooth and all sorts of irrelevant crap. Make the damn phone work so it sounds good when I'm talking to people!!

Besides, I can get a digital camera that will produce nice 6X8 pictures for about $150, so why pay $400 for a phone that has all sorts of bells and whistles, will take small crappy pictures, and sound like crap when I'm talking to someone? I just don't get it.

Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472691)

"I just don't understand it. You know what I want? I want a phone that stores numbers, and when I call people it sounds crystal clear and I never get a "signal faded" notice and get cut off."

All modern phones released in the last 2-3 years already do that. If your speech is sounding like crap then the problem is with your operator and phone cannot fix that.

"I can get a digital camera that will produce nice 6X8 pictures for about $150, so why pay $400 for a phone that has all sorts of bells and whistles, will take small crappy pictures"

Because:
1) You don't carry your digital camera constrantly with you. But changes a high that you carry your cellphone.
2) You can't make pictures taken from your digital camera instantly available to your friends (MMS).

Eventually camera phones will cost under $200 and take good quality photos.

Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472719)

I agree with you on the camera phones thing, but my ideal phone does a little more than yours:

-I want Bluetooth because I hate keying in new numbers. Now I can just punch 'em into my Mac and sync the two. Plus I wanted a wireless headset [plantronics.com] so I don't have to fumble for the phone when I get a call while driving. The ability of the phone to act as a wireless modem is very nice and has already come in handy once or twice since I got my T68i.
-I wanted e-mail capability so my home automation setup can notify me of anything happening to my house that I should know about. And with the world going the way it is, I like having CNN breaking news alerts hitting my phone as well.

I think the companies would do better to stick with the 'snap-on accessories' concept for cameras and other hardware features that you can't just render useless (and not have to pay for) by your choice of a cheaper calling plan. The T68i will meet my needs for the foreseeable future, but I don't want my next phone to have a bunch of stupid built-in hardware features I don't want but still have to pay for.

Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472862)

I dont understand the obsession with bluetooth to 'sync' phone numbers. your talking like MAYBE tops 2k of data. what do you need a few meg of bandwidth to do this? I have no prob plugging my phone in to do this. Or have it on some website and my phone can connect up to it. Bluetooth gives me nothing I need for a phone.

Its a phone. Keep it simple or it will just snork to much juice and you will always be charging it.

Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472977)

I dont understand the obsession with bluetooth to 'sync' phone numbers. your talking like MAYBE tops 2k of data. what do you need a few meg of bandwidth to do this?

Because Bluetooth wasn't designed only for syncing, that's just one of the great things you can do with it.

And let's see you say "only 2K of data" after you punch in that 2K of data on a 12-key keypad, with multiple keypresses required to enter most characters.

It's much nicer to be able to type in contact info on a standard keyboard and hit a button to sync it up to the phone than to laboriously key it in on the phone's number pad, EVERY TIME I get a new phone. For my previous phone upgrade (Nokia 5120 to Nokia 8260), I spent a couple hours tediously punching my address book into the 8260 on its dinky-ass keypad. When I moved from the 8260 to the T68i, I paired the phone with my Mac, and ran MobileSync [mac.com] to copy the contacts I wanted in my phone from my Entourage address book. Took a few seconds.

Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (1)

nostriluu (138310) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473218)

Great, why don't you buy a phone that's just a phone then. Me, I can hardly wait for a convergence devices that reuses a screen, battery, communications capability, memory and processor effectively for anything I might want to carry a gizmo around for. I might even buy one of these short term solutions towards that goal.

Re:Can someone tell my why people want camera phon (1)

sconest (188729) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473332)

I couldn't agree more. That's why I still keep my 4.5 years old Nokia 3110.

I just have to find a new battery since the current one is beginning to show its age.

Bluetooth and security (1)

pointwood (14018) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472660)

Bluetooth is cool and all, just be aware that bluetooth have basically no security at all, AFAIK

Re:Bluetooth and security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472833)

What are you talking about? (I really don't know)

Does USB have "security"? Firewire? Ethernet? I thought the security would be software-side...

Re:Bluetooth and security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5472882)

Does USB have "security"? Firewire? Ethernet? I thought the security would be software-side...

Does USB, Firewire and wired Ethernet broadcast directly interceptable data? No. Bluetooth does!

Re:Bluetooth and security (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472889)

"AFAIK", in this case, means "I don't know sh*t" - apparently.


There's nothing wrong with the security of bluetooth. Frequency-hopping and encrypted, just as a start.

Re:Bluetooth and security (1)

spinlocked (462072) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472919)

This from the latest Bruce Schneier cryptogram:

Last year I had a conversation with an engineer involved with security for the Bluetooth wireless protocol. I told him that Bluetooth has only privacy and not per-packet authentication. He responded with the prototypical lame responses: 1) pseudorandom frequency hopping makes it "nearly impossible" for an attacker to get in, and 2) the range is only 8 feet, so the attacks are naturally limited.

I tried to argue the point, but eventually gave up. Then I said something like: "I can hardly wait for Bluetooth to become universal, because I really want a wireless keyboard and mouse with the "base station" built into my computer." He said: "Yes, but you really probably don't want to use Bluetooth for that, because then somebody could stuff keystrokes or mouse clicks into your system." I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Talk about not getting it.

Re:Bluetooth and security (1)

pointwood (14018) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473308)

Yes, I should have been more specific in my previous post, sorry.

Next, you're wrong. Read the reply from spinlocked. Also, I've just watched (real stream) a lecture from PHK (FreeBSD kernel developer, http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/ - basically, he knows what he's talking about...), I could give you a link, but it's in Danish so you will not understand it. However, in this lecture (presenting FreeBSD 5.0), he also talks about Bluetooth and he is certainly not impressed. Some guy had tried to walk around at a conference somewhere to see what he was able to connect to. Among other things he catched two guys standing next to each other, talking (not over the phone, of course) and they apparently both had Bluetooth enabled phones. He made the one phone call the other one :)
Is that your idea of good security? ;)

According to him, firewire also have a big security hole. You apparently get read and write access to the memory of a machine when you connect with firewire. Quite sad actually because other than that, Firewire is actually a quite cool technology.

How about a decent keypad ? (1)

phoxix (161744) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472740)

Am I the only one left who wants a decent keypad on my cell phone ?

Either the key pad is usually too small, bunched up, or really really hard to push. And on some really annoying phones, a combination of all three!

I honestly don't care about cameras that will only invade my privacy some more. I just want a decent keypad.

Sunny Dubey

Does it do SSH? (1)

sleeeper (210375) | more than 11 years ago | (#5472914)

I want a small phone, that could do ssh in rare pinch (maybe once every two years) when I can't get to a proper computer to fix a server.

I know the keypay would be less than optimalk, but i don't want a huge phone.

Maybe a ssh via a Java program on this phone?

Re:Does it do SSH? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5473155)

I know the keypay would be less than optimalk, but i don't want a huge phone.

Given you're having problems with a conventional keyboard (as far as I know) perhaps you're being over optimistic.

Please, people! (2, Funny)

x136 (513282) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473255)

Whoever it is out there that keeps saying "Could Nokia phones get any uglier?", PLEASE STOP! You see what happens? We get monstrosities like the 5100 [nokia.com] , the 3650 [nokia.com] , and now the 7250 [nokia.com] ! Please, stop speculating about how bad it can get! Won't someone please think of the children?!

Small keypads unusable? (1)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 11 years ago | (#5473327)

I know there is a general trend in electronics towards smaller devices being "better", but aren't mobile phones small enough already?

I have thick fingers (comes with being 6'3"), and I find that the buttons on my Nokia 3310 are only just big enough to be useable.

Button size is a very important factor for me, not just for entering phone numbers but for entering SMS messages (I SMS very frequently).

Woman with long finger nails might have the same problem too.
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