Designer Baby Given Go-ahead 65
An anonymous reader writes "A couple in the Australian city of Melbourne has been given the legal go ahead to breed a genetically modified 'designer' baby to cure their terminally ill child."
He has not acquired a fortune; the fortune has acquired him. -- Bion
Re:super (Score:4, Insightful)
Do you think amneocentesis is creepy? Or does it depend on the reason?
People test babies in the womb, and make a choice to end the pregnancy if the baby has severe problems. This may seem creepy to some, but it is accepted medical practice.
People also use the testing to determine the sex of the baby, and make a choice to end the pregnancy. This is often much more objectionable to more people than the first scenario.
We have already had people create children to be organ donors for other children. There were ethical concerns about that as well, but it was determined to be acceptable.
As time goes by, we accept what becomes commonplace. There have been cultures where inter-racial marriage was against the law, on grounds not unsimilar to your feeling "creepy" about testing IVF results before implantation.
IVF itself caused quite a stir. Some wondered whether the first "test-tube" baby would be psychologically damaged by the publicity or the knowledge. On the other hand, this is one kid who can be certain there was no accident.
Consider this: IVF itself usually generates several candidates for implantation, and often not all of them are used. The unused candidates are discarded. But they contain the same cells that the umbilicus carries, and have the same ability to save the first child. Why are the ethicists insisting that a child be carried to term? If two out of three candidates are never implanted in a womb, why implant any? Or is it that once the couple has gone to all of the expense of IVF to save the first child, they might as well implant the candidate, and get the second child they wanted anyway, with a guarantee that it does not suffer from the same problem as the first one? Perhaps it is just two birds with one stone.
I am not forcing my ethics on this couple or any other. Whether I would have made their choice or not is unimportant. But I am glad that I do not have that choice to make. Many of us would bend our ethics to save our only child.
How many of you would donate some umbilical blood to save a sibling, assuming your parents had the foresight to preserve it? Many would donate a kidney, or a lung. It seems unlikely that this child will regret the decision later in life. He was conceived on purpose. Great effort was made to ensure that he did not have genetic problems. The blastocyst that he came from could have been used as it was, instead of being implanted to create him. I don't think this kid will suffer emotional upheaval when he is told about his special circumstances. Is his case any more disturbing than being told you were adopted? Many people get over that.
If this is "playing god", then so is most of medicine. Perhaps playing god is a noble ambition, a better role model than playing first person shooter.
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Watching the inevitable come to pass is both frightening and oddly entertaining.
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If only... (Score:2, Funny)
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Now, where's my $30 million and a supermodel?
Uhm, no (Score:3, Interesting)
See e.g. the part on general intelligence here. [duke.org]
It is a controversial subject [mugu.com] because of social discussions (separate from marxists seeing red when discussing innate mental characteristics).
(Your point is valid for another reason. It is not trivially a good thing to remove "unpopular" features like low intelligence from the gene pool since those features probably have other genetic effects that we might be poorer as humans if they are not in our societies. But if it was my child and I could select for higher intelligence, I would.)
Re:Uhm, no (Score:2, Interesting)
Yeah, features like being able to dig ditches and operate heavy machinery. If we were all smart, there would be no room for eveyone in the smart jobs. Unless of course we use our smarts and create robots to do the dumb jobs a la animatrix.
Disclaimer: This is not my view, but is one that is alive and well.
Re:Uhm, no (Score:2, Insightful)
Some common combinations of genes might give a high chance of some mental disease. But also a high chance of artistic talent. Would it be worth losing those artists to save some people from mental disease?
The answer to that depends on lots of factors. (Will there probably be an easy treatment for the disease when the child is grown? How high chance for artistic talent or mental disease? How valuable are those artists to society? Etc, etc.)
Genes and inheritance is a very complex subject -- and then environmental influences complicates it much more...
You probably should think twice when taking decisions in this area -- but I am of the opinion that control of our genes is necessary and will be a very good thing for humanity (given democracy and some regulatory sanity-checks on modifications).
Disclaimer: IANAG (I am not a geneticist.)
Re:Uhm, no (Score:2, Interesting)
Some common combinations of genes might give a high chance of some mental disease. But also a high chance of artistic talent. Would it be worth losing those artists to save some people from mental disease?
Good point. Another one would be concentrated leadership skills tied with megolomania. It is too easy for people in general to want their kids to "have it all" and they would want to take this to extremes. I am someone who dislikes governmental control in any form, so to embrace this technology with the caveat of regulation is a very scary proposition. I would rather see the technology only used to cure existing people as in the linked story, rather than to design people. But then again, I am a card carrying religous freak so I am not to be trusted...
Re:Uhm, no (Score:1)
I consider religion to be insane ideas that you can inflict on children if you indoctrinate them early enough. (I am from Sweden -- most people doesn't indoctrinate children and have something like less than 10% of the population going to a church more than once in a given year...)
I would be against Xian, muslim, etc "freaks" inducing this kind of mental instability [newscientist.com] into their children... Something some religious people would do.
And, further, I would bet money that religious people with that kind of mental problems would be angry if someone tried to hinder their children from inheriting them...
Those religious freaks would not consider the mental problem giving them faith a mental problem.
Re:Uhm, no (Score:3, Interesting)
Clearly you and I are on different ideological grounds, but that does not preclude us from agreeing.
There must be some limit for parents' rights to fsck the lives of their children!! Children are people; it is illegal to rape them, too.Granted it is illegal to rape them. Why is it illegal to rape them? If we use your arguments, the idea of society and social norms (like rape, murder, etc.) comes from induced mental programming by parents, teachers, peers, etc. What if the opposite norms were induced? (Rape and murder are acceptable...) As a person living in that kind of society would you have the same views? This kind of relativistic (and circular) thinking is flawed. You can't tell me that there must be a limit on how parents teach their children by pointing out that society (a product of parental teaching) mandates this.
Cure what!?!? The point of my example was that it is hard to decide what should be cured.Lots of things. Down's syndrome, heart disease, palsey, alsheimer's, Parkinson's, etc. Genetic screening and genetic manipulation are whay is being discussed in the article and can cure the above diseases/conditions.
I consider religion to be insane ideas that you can inflict on children if you indoctrinate them early enough.To each his own, but you cannot enforce your views on other people, just like I cannot make you believe in God.
Something some religious people would do.How do you know what all religious people would do? Sweeping generalizations like that are at the root of most hate in the world. I don't pretend to believe that all religious people are great, but that does not make the reverse true.
Re:Uhm, no (Score:1)
My argument was an answer to your doubts on official limitations on what is legal to do to children. To e.g. give children extreme physical or mental disabilities should be illegal. And there are some parents that does (and will do) that.
Children have human rights, too. If they are violated, the police (through the state) should step in and protect them -- since they don't have any rights themselves. (I hope you still accept the existence of a police? If not, read up on clan societies before moving to Afghanistan; no fun to live in.)
We're done with that misunderstanding, I hope?
If you check the article, you'll see that it was about a mild mental disease that made people more religious. (I argued, with Sweden and USA as examples, that if you don't indoctrinate children into a religion -- they don't become religious. That was behaviour, this is (probably) genetically influenced.)Again:
My argument was that many religious people would inflict that on their children so they won't go to hell (and parents with that exact problem would not look happy at having it removed from their children!)
So we have a mental problem that tend to make people more religious. You're religious and the doctor says that your child will get that problem. Will you ask the disease to be fixed?
(To be complete, I am not arguing that Sweden is better or worse than USA. That is a completely different issue on which I'm quite ambivalent.)
Re:Uhm, no (Score:2)
A poor straw man. Morality need not have anything to do with religion. Morality is a social contract or code of conduct that everyone must comply with for the sake of the common good, and the people have the right to form a government to enforce it. The sole category of actions which can have any moral weight are those which affect a sentient life form without its informed consent. Religion-based morality is deeply flawed because it construes many victimless things to be immoral, and in some cases is used to justify things that would be obviously immoral to any freely thinking person (jihaads, crusades, and the like). A lot of the taboos are completely irrational and insane, such as pork, non-kosher foods, homosexuality, "graven images", and women showing any skin whatsoever. If religion were based on any semblance of thinking, it wouldn't be so hereditary. A morality, logically deduced and based on the social contract and the common good, is much stronger and more resiliant because it is based on logic and the facts of social existance, not one's blind and often inconstant faith what one's parents proclaimed was right and wrong.
Re:Uhm, no (Score:2)
I agree. One thing I must point out is that my arguments are not necessarily my beliefs! I certainly oppose any abuse of children regardless of how you define abuse. However, perspective is everything in a civil society. Before fast travel became common, society became whatever it wanted in various parts of the world. Headhunters, cannibalism, polygamy, female circumcision and many other brutal practices were not only performed, but sanctioned by these "mini" societies. My point was not to "twist" anything you said, but merely to show the inherent confusion it is to use society to justify the actions of a society.
I hope you still accept the existence of a police? If not, read up on clan societies before moving to Afghanistan; no fun to live in.The police, fire and other services do serve a purpose and I welcome them. However, governments have historically over reached their authority to intrude on the private affairs of their citizens. Being from the US, I have a slightly different view on governmental influence than someone from Sweden. There are great benefits to living in a more socialist society, but at a great cost to freedom, privacy and independence (IMO). I align myself with Henry D. Thoreau who taught that, "That government which governs least, governs best." In fact, he went so far as to say that the perfect society, in which each person was perfectly virtuous, would need no government because there would be nothing to protect against.
If you check the article, you'll see that it was about a mild mental disease that made people more religious.Sure, but that does not make religion bad, which is what I detected your argument as hinting at.
I argued, with Sweden and USA as examples, that if you don't indoctrinate children into a religion -- they don't become religious. That was behaviour, this is (probably) genetically influenced.Okay, first of all let me see if I understand. You are saying in the first sentence that religon is learned. In the second sentence you claim that it is probably genetically influenced (not learned or partially learned). As for the first, I would wager that there is some powerful evidence supporting that. However, don't confuse natural tendencies with desires. For example, I grew up in a home that was decidedly without religion. My friends did not practice religion and I had little to do with God until I went to college. Only since then have I developed religous feelings, regardless of parental influence. Even today, I stand at odds with my parents on God. It had to do with my personal choices and desires, that preclude anything a parent can do or say. In fact, I would argue that improper (without love or concern) parenting leads to moral (religous or societal) decay faster than any single other factor.
So we have a mental problem that tend to make people more religious. You're religious and the doctor says that your child will get that problem. Will you ask the disease to be fixed?That depends on if I consider it a problem. The New Scientist article you pointed to was talking about OCD. Other studies have also pointed to causes of OCD and are more general, stating that OCD comes from many sources (head injuries, upbringing, trauma, etc.) Even the article itself states, "But the study cannot say for certain that religious devotion early in life causes OCD symptoms. It is equally likely that people with those character traits feel more drawn to a religious lifestyle and devote themselves to God." Therefore, there is no direct correlation between religion and OCD.
Re:Uhm, no (Score:1)
There are a few people like you here in Sweden, finding religion late. Strange that more than 95% of you guys that "see the light" go to the big religions they were influenced with as children -- and that those religions you guys find contradict each others, given that your standpoint must be that the contradicting religions are false...
Let me tell you about when I first went to Ireland in the beginning of the 90ies. I knew that people there where devout. They had recently voted 51/49% on abortion. So I expected to meet a lot of religious nuts. But I didn't meet any, despite knowing that half the population voted to not allow abortions?!
The people that are religious in Sweden are... let's call them "seekers". They feel a need for something and looks around until they find it. Be it alcohol, the cross or something else. The religious people in Ireland was not like that. They had just grown up in the religion with all people around them believers -- they say fish aren't aware of the water. So the religious people of Ireland weren't at all like the nuts at home. They were normal people that had never thought about the problem.
Not relevant, really, but it was an experience that changed my world view.
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Re:Uhm, no (Score:2)
What's the difference? How many sane, comprehensible famous writers/artists do you know of? It's a pretty small percentage. Faulkner and Hemmingway were off their rockers, Van Gogh and Picasso were crazy, Most philosophers were off their rockers (especially Hegel, Kierkegaard and Aquinas)
Re:Uhm, no (Score:1)
In addition, anyone who has made a job of what they love most knows the truth. Once you make a job of it, it simply becomes WORK. And Work Sucks.
Re:Uhm, no (Score:2)
I couldn't agree more. There are exceptions, but if you asked anyone living under the poverty line the one thing they wanted most for their kids, they would say, "To give them a better life than mine". They would likely try to get the best smart genes for their kids they can because smarts are generally associated with success and wealth.
Oops!? (Score:1)
Bernard D Davis is, as far as I know, a serious researcher. The reason he is listed is probably because of this [prometheusbooks.com] book [skeptic.de].
(I could have choosen other references that attacked the "intelligence is only the ability to write tests" viewpoint.)
(This is extra embarassing since I'm a big fan of Woody Allen, Seinfeld, etc. I have said quite often that I should convert; Jewish atheists seems to have more fun than we xian atheists! For Sweden, my opinions are extremely pro-Israel -- which sadly isn't hard.)
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For example, fraternal twins seem to have the same correlation of left-handedness as identical twins. I understand this is because left handedness is often caused by elevated testosterone levels in the womb (which is also why more men are left handed.)
The person you were replying to is also wrong. Intelligence is nowhere near as strongly correlated as they imply. It seems to be about 50% genetic. I don't know where he came up with almost always within 5 IQ.
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Just a basic outline, but I think it'd work out pretty nicely.
Genetic screening ... not modification (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Genetic screening ... not modification (Score:4, Insightful)
Although the theory is there, I'm not sure if anyone has successfully 'fixed' bad genes in an embryo.
Re:Genetic screening ... not modification (Score:1)
I've not heard of anyone attempting this for human embryos. But I think it has been done for animals. Remember that "artist" who commissioned a glow-in-the-dark rabbit? (OK, this was adding a new gene rather than fixing a bad gene, but the techniques used would be the same.)
Re:Genetic screening ... not modification (Score:2)
Yeah, I got yer genetic screening right here... (Score:2, Insightful)
Won't SONEONE Please Think of the Children (Score:5, Interesting)
I realize that this post might seem kind of "troll"-y, but these are serious questions? Even if you are "pro-choice" (a misnomer, but that's another issue), would you agree with the abortion in #3? If you think I'm a troll, please reply to this and give me logical arguements why I'm wrong (I'll just assume the "You're an idiot because you suck" posts) instead of modding me down.
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Re:Won't SONEONE Please Think of the Children (Score:5, Insightful)
1. How do you know that the sole purpose of having this kid was to save their other kid? I think that's a bit of a stretch to make this so cut and dry. Even if it is, does it really matter? You seem to assume that the sole purpose of having the kid automatically translates into the value of the kid after its born. Is your value tied to your parents intent in having you? What about all the children that are conceived from "accidents"?
2. I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue here. The technique they're using wouldn't cause any health problems, it only prevents them.
3. I don't really understand this argument either. You seem to be stringing us along for a bit toward your goal suggesting that these people would just have an abortion after they harvested the fetal blood. This couple isn't going to have an abortion, so your "what if" scenario doesn't apply.
4. huh? While this is maybe an interesting legal question, I don't see how it applies to the ethics of this situation.
5. Making a reference to "scary book about genetics gone mad books" is a scare tactic, not an actual argument. No one is creating genetically enhanced super-men here, and no one is creating three different classes of people.
6. We've been playing god by saving peoples lives who shouldn't due to evolution ever since we figured out how to bandage a wound. Are you suggesting we not treat anyone so that the people with the "wrong" genes will die? To use your argument, that sounds pretty close to the theme of Gattaca or Brave New World to me.
7. Maybe this is an alternate treatment, I really don't know. Even if it is, the existance of an alternate treatment isn't an argument that what they're doing is wrong.
8. What does it teach him? Maybe that his parents will do anything to save him? That his parents value life? Sorry, the answers to this question seem pretty open ended to me. It all depends on what his parents teach him, which is really no different than anyone else.
Re:Won't SONEONE Please Think of the Children (Score:5, Insightful)
And if the application of this desire results in a naturally "less fit" genotype, then so be it. A life (I'm talking about the parents' lives here, not the child's) either has no purpose at all, or one of its own choosing. If people choose (by default) the same purpose as mother nature (to mindlessly optimize the fitness function), that would be a pretty disappointing waste of brains, IMHO.
Ah, but regarding the child's purpose... What will this kid think when he learns of his "purpose?" Well, as soon as he's old enough to think, then he'll already have new purpose all on his own. His parents' original motives become irrelevant. I just hope he knows this.
By that reasoning, is there ever any justification for choosing to conceive a child? Would not any concious decision to create life, be a form of objectifying that life?I think treating people like cattle is horrible too, but I have no problems with abortion or genetic hacking. I reconcile this by using a perhaps (?) nonconventional definition for "people." Having human DNA isn't enough to quality (nor is it even a strict requirement, though I've never met a person who didn't have it). What matters, what gives (or doesn't give) a being the value I assign to a person, isn't what kind of meat they're made out of. What matters is how they act. Goo inside a test tube, even if it is a potential person, ain't one yet.
Re:Won't SONEONE Please Think of the Children (Score:5, Insightful)
2. This is wildly unrealistic- that the parents would possess alleles for two different genetic ailments that can only be cured by sibling cord blood is extremely improbable. Yet, if it were to occur, and embryos could then be selected that possessed neither ailment (if any existed), and the funds for another round of IVF were available, then I see no reason to deny them the chance. If the couple is really that desperate, and you deny them IVF, it's likely that they might attempt to conceive a child "the old-fashioned way," taking the risk it would bear one or both disorders.
3. Looking at it in pragmatic (and harsh)terms first of all, why would you abort a fetus that cost so much money to conceive? Really, if you wanted to do this, you would not implant the embryo at all- you would simply convert it into a line of stem cells.
4. Huh? First off, the second kid does not even need to be alive to save its sibling's life- you said so yourself in #3. Second, how is the first kid "already dead?" If that were the case, everyone dying of a terminal illness would be legally dead.
5. Look, these parents aren't creating the ubermensch, or an Alpha. To call this a "designer baby" is inaccurate- this child would not be genetically modified in any way- all of its genes will come from its parents, who received them from their parents. A chance exists that the parents could "naturally" produce a child without this genetic defect- but not a very good one. Chance favors the prepared mind, and also the parents who were able to select an embryo with IVF.
6. Why must we kowtow to evolution? Rejecting the idea that producing children that will slowly and agonizingly die from an inherited disease is heaven working in mysterious ways and replacing it with the idea that we must let natural selection discard harmful alleles from the gene pool is merely replacing one tyranny with another. Fsck, at least God has a grand plan, or so I'm told. The examples you give of diseases that tie into our species' supposed genetic fitness decline are rather interesting- I'd say increases in the first four are much more the result of lifestyle choices than genetics (well, not if you mean Type I diabetes, I suppose) As far as asthma, I'd say that has to do more with pollution than genes. Allergies are rather interesting though- I'd suspect that in addition to environmental factors (including the pollution again), at least a small portion of that might be due to the spreading and interbreeding of long isolated groups of humans- thus spreading around genes for hypersensitivities. Anyway, the couple with a child with sickle-cell anemia raises an interesting point- this is the textbook case of a genetic disease that evolution built. Sickle-cell anemia has been known for thousands of years, and until recent advances (such as this cord blood therapy, for instance) was generally lethal at a relatively young age. However, it's stayed around mostly because it is a recessive disorder, and more importantly, the heterozygote (one copy of the normal "wild type" dominant gene and one defective sickle-cell recessive copy) has a resistance to infection by malaria. If this child survives, and then lives to procreate, it is likely that this heterozygote advantage will be conferred on them- that doesn't sound like enfeebling the human race to me.
7. Making this one shorter, I'm sure that's already been tried- many hospitals have set up cord blood donation programs- but a blood relation- particularly a sibling- stands an excellent chance of being a precise match.
8. Now, suppose this child were old enough to understand the present situation- what do you think the child would want? If the parents are willing to do all of this to save their child's life, it would seem that they hold that child to be rather precious. You can be cynical and claim that if the older child dies, he is merely being "replaced," but then the same is true for every other couple who wishes to conceive again after the death of a child. Surely they aren't being selfish?
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Sorry, but I must disagree with you here. My mother is half Spanish, half Italian (who is actually from Italy, and moved to Canada after her birth) and my father is half Scottish half we-don't-know (who's family moved to Canada before his birth). I think my genetic makeup is rather messy (or diverse... half full or half empty right). However, I have extreme hayfever, along with other reactions to insect bites. Oddly enough, neither parent has a sensitivy
Re:Won't SONEONE Please Think of the Children (Score:1)
Unfortunately, foresight isn't 20/20. One can't be 100% certain that a disease is terminal until it is, in fact, terminal.
Re:Won't SONEONE Please Think of the Children (Score:2)
Neither of those things is being discussed in this case.
>I'm very focused on the needs and well being of children
OK, then, why are you spending 100's of words arguing against giving a child the treatment most likely to cure her/him of a terminal illness? Hello? Given the logic failures in your first two sentences, I'm not going to waste my time replying to the rest.
This one is a no-brainer (Score:5, Insightful)
The whole slippery slope argument about "Designer Babies" is completely bunk because sliding "down" that slope would be nothing but benefit to mankind. The world would, unquestionably, be a better place if genetically-based diseases were eradicated and people had more of a genetic predisposition to be healthy, fit, and intelligent. So what if the benefit only applies to those who can afford it; the same can be said of ALL expensive medical treatments, and yet we don't see anyone advocating banning chemotherapy for that reason.
One of the other arguments against so-called "Designer Babies" is that genetic screening will, in many cases, be applied very narrowly (for example, to enhance physical attractiveness) neglecting more important things and actually making the person-to-be less healthy overall. So, hypothetically, the technology could be misused in harmful ways. Big deal. Antibiotics have been and are still being misused resulting in the creation of dangerous antibiotic-resistant diseases that are taking a great toll in some areas, such as Russia's problem with MDR Tuberculosis. Nevertheless, that has never been a good reason to ban antibiotics altogether, and this situation is hardly any different. The industry could be regulated to avoid abuses and malpractice, the same way other medical procedures and prescription drugs are handled today. The difference between this and other medical resources that are legal but regulated is grossly insufficient to warrant the double standard of banning genetic screening/improvement altogether.
The third objection to so-called "Designer Babies" is an (IMO irrational) fear, spawned from science fiction, of creating a "super race" of genetically engineered humans, raising the standards for everyone and harming those whose parents couldn't afford the genetic improvement technology. Let me ask you, how is that sort of economic divide any different from the current situation? Rich people can afford to send their students to better schools, and provide them with a more advantageous upbringing in general. This results in a situation where the children of middle class and rich parents have more of a chance to succeed than the children of poor parents, regardless of their innate potential. Does this mean that all private/rich-public schools should be disbanded, and everyone should be condemned to a crappy education and a disadvantaged upbringing? Heck no. That would certainly satisfy the resentment of the poor, without really helping them, but it would harm everyone else. That is analogous to the issue at hand: Banning genetic screening/improvement would simply hold back part of society from improving themselves, without providing and concrete benefit except satisfying paranoia and class envy. Such a ban would do nothing to serve the common good.
To quote James Watson, the co-discoverer of DNA's structure, "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great."
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I agree with you 100%. On with genetic design; Gattaca [imdb.com], here we come!
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I'm confused, please reply (Score:2)
Are they screening for a genetically compatible match to the existing child, to act as a blood donor, or are they just trying to have a healthy baby? What the deal with the umbilical cord?
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Name the baby contest! (Score:1)
Number Two?
Far from the first one (Score:5, Informative)
And, as others have noted, calling this a "designer baby" is very misleading. The embryos are created by letting normal sperm and egg cells do their normal thing, only in glassware, and the embryos aren't modified afterwards. The lab work is to decide which embryos would be implanted, so that the resulting child (1) won't have Fanconi anemia, and (2) can be a marrow donor for the sick older sibling. (1) is pretty common now for parents who carry serious genetic diseases and know it.
Re:Far from the first one (Score:3, Informative)
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Yes, this is true. Thanks for the links on this. I would point out one more thing, in case it's not totally clear, which is that the use of pre-implantation genetic selection is actually an improved way to get a donor. Desperate parents, unable to find an unrelated donor, have been having new babies as potential matched donors for their sick older kids for at least a decade, but only in the past few years has it become possible to pre-screen to in
Completely within their rights (Score:2, Interesting)
Think of this as proper exploitation of available technology and information. No-one is harmed in this specific case, and the parents' concern for their first child speaks well of their ability to love and cherish their coming child, however much screened and whatever the outcome of this. In short, this is a happy situation.
Evolutionary Stagnation (Score:2, Interesting)
Whenever this topic comes up, I really can't help but think I may never have been born had this been a reality when I was conceived. I believe that one of the defining things that shapes our personalities as sentient creatures is the various maladies we have.
I don't think this is meddling in the work of a God, either. I believe this goes against the very processes of evolution. If we're picking the defining factors for what is good, rather than the environment we exist in, we will stagnate on the evolutionary ladder. Species that can't adapt to their environment tend to fail rather quickly.
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Inaccurate sensationalist media (Score:1, Insightful)
from the organlegging dept.
An anonymous reader writes "A couple in the Australian city of Melbourne has been given the legal go ahead to breed a genetically modified
Most of the above language has one target: evoking an emotional response in the reader that was apparently felt by the poster/submitter. Even worse, the above characterization is highly inaccurate with regard to the actual article.
For shame.
Dogs and Cats living together (Score:1)
"Mommy, why was I born."
"Well, you were created and allowed to live to term in order to save Billy's life. Lucky for you you happened to be the most compatible candidate, or off to the garbage disposal with the rest of the embryo's."
Not only, "how could this not screw up both of these kids" but also do you think we could debase human life any further? Maybe they could grow a couple ears on the kids back for "just in case" scenarios.