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Smart Gun with Minicam and Biometric Access

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the saturday-night-special dept.

Toys 616

StrawberryFrog writes "Ya well no fine, those crazy South Africans are at it again, this time with a "intelligent firearm". You may have heard of guns with fingerprint recognition before, but this also uses a laser to ignite the propellant, has multiple barrels and incorporates a minicam to record as evidence what you are shooting at. It's a very different gun design, and one that depends on electronics to make it work."

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616 comments

Clint Eastwood's next famous line (1, Troll)

porkface (562081) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517611)

"Smile, I'm about to take your picture punk!"

Re:Clint Eastwood's next famous line (-1, Offtopic)

Ponty (15710) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517699)

As long as it's not a picture of the gun's inventor. That is one ugly dude.

Does anyone forsee ammunition restrictions? (2, Interesting)

Blaede (266638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517791)

What's the best way of eventually eliminating usage of existing weapons? Prohibit manufacture of ammo for it.

I can forsee all current types of ammo being banned one day, and only a new non compatible design being allowed. The gun that can use this ammo will be highly restricted. Eventually the existing ammo supply for "pre-legal" weapons will run out, rendering them useless to all except those willing to pay high prices for the remaining ammo stocks. A black market ammo industry will arise though.

Re:Does anyone forsee ammunition restrictions? (4, Funny)

Voytek (15888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517818)

You've never heard of reloading, have you?

Yes I have. (1)

Blaede (266638) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517856)

In a nutshell, isn't that just adding the missing components to a blank casing? Kinda like the firearm equivalent of buying a rebuilt alternator? What if manufacture of the slug (or whatever the term for the lead is) gets banned? Or even sale of reloading components is banned? Plus the supply all those casings are eventually going to dry up.

Re:Yes I have. (1)

Voytek (15888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517871)

You're proposing a ban on lead?

Re:Clint Eastwood's next famous line (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517808)

Did the moderator actually read the article? The gun has a camera in it, asshat.

Re:Clint Eastwood's next famous line (5, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517832)

"Smile, I'm about to take your picture punk!"

Actually, I think the next movie could be kind of short:

Dirty Harry:I know what you're thinking punk. You're thinkin did he fire six shots or only five. Well to tell you the truth I forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this is the 44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off. You've got to ask yourself a question, Do I feel lucky? Well do you, PUNK!

Punk: Umm... Umm...

Smart Gun: WARNING! Chamber is empty! Load a new magazine to continue shooting! WARNING! Chamber is empty! Load a new magazine to continue shooting!

Punk: Fuck you, cop! Tackles Dirty Harry and bashes his head in with a brick.

Next headline... (5, Funny)

Phoenix823 (448446) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517620)

X10 enters the firearm business.

Re:Next headline... (4, Funny)

Chris_Stankowitz (612232) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517710)

X10 enters the firearm business.

I can see it now.....

This just in

Cop can't get off shot at criminals because of annoying pop-ups.

Re:Next headline... (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517891)

Was anyone else who read "South Africans" in the headline later suprised to see a picture of a white guy on the page? I guess since it's ok to point out that an inventor in the US is black, it's also OK for me to point out that this guy is white? Or is that not OK?

Judge Dredd Comes to Life. (3, Funny)

Malicious (567158) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517625)

Now to ensure my clone never gets his hands on my gun...

OT: Dubya (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517895)

Hello. This is offtopic but ... why is your President George W Bush known as 'Dubya'? Please could someone explain the origin of this nickname, it has been confusing me for months.

Thanks!

I wish... (0, Flamebait)

0xB00F (655017) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517626)

They would invent smart bullets so that a gun can be fired in the U.S. by Dubya and it will hit all the evil-doers in Iraq.

Because you see, Saddam is an evil, evil man and the U.S. is not interested in Iraq's oil fields (nor was it interested in Afghanistan's natural gas and iron deposits.)

Re:I wish... (2, Funny)

bluesoul88 (609555) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517640)

If Dubya can fire one bullet and it hits every evildoer in Iraq...well, I want me one of those is all I can say. =)

Re:I wish... (-1, Flamebait)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517660)

Ahh, I see U.S. bashing is still in season... I guess Saddam is actually a truly gentle man whom everyone would love to live near?

Fucknut.

Flamebait, troll, whatever. I don't care.

Re:I wish... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517739)

Thank you for stating the obvious. All these niggers hate the USA.. Too bad without the USA, they would be sand/hoop/jallopy niggers.

Off topic troll, mod appropriately (1)

Tailhook (98486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517779)

Thanks!

Re:Off topic troll, mod appropriately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517885)

shut up, cocksucker!

Thinkgeek? (5, Funny)

jmays (450770) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517629)

What I want to know is when Thinkgeek will be carrying these ... any bets?

Newfangled boomsticks... (1)

bluesoul88 (609555) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517632)

"[B]ut this also uses a laser to ignite the propellant, has multiple barrels and incorporates a minicam to record as evidence what you are shooting at. It's a very different gun design, and one that depends on electronics to make it work."

Same premise as any other gun, this just...makes it easier to be arrested for murder?

Re:Newfangled boomsticks... (3, Funny)

fenix down (206580) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517658)

No thank ya! I like to get away with my violent crimes.

Re:Newfangled boomsticks... (1)

kpansky (577361) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517700)

I think you mean this makes it easier to be acquitted for murder. Its more important that the innocent be free than the guilty be caught. While I'm not for mandatory biometrics and this sort of big brother activity in government, doesn't anybody else see the great legal potential that a gun like this has for law-abiding citizens?

Only one thing missing... (3, Interesting)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517633)

Red LED display of number of rounds left. (Preferably facing the user when held, so no-one else can see it).

graspee

Re:Only one thing missing... (4, Funny)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517718)

Red LED display of number of rounds left. (Preferably facing the user when held, so no-one else can see it).
Yeah, cuz if it were on the other end we wouldn't have to ask the punk if he felt lucky.

Re:Only one thing missing... (5, Funny)

PD (9577) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517810)

"Can you see that little red number, punk?" Doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

Agh Nee (0, Funny)

perspex (635004) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517634)

That's Ja well no fine, boet.

I smell a lawsuit! (5, Funny)

wileycoyoteacme (319236) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517635)

Great, can't wait to see the headlines: Dumbass kills self while trying to take picture, family sues gun manufacturer.

Oh no (2, Interesting)

Adam9 (93947) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517638)

Now script kiddies are going to h4x0r guns.

Re:Oh no (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517820)

Did you think of that comment all by yourself?

Backup (5, Funny)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517642)

It's a very different gun design, and one that depends on electronics to make it work.

You might want to carry a revolver in your sock for when the OS crashes.

Re:Backup (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517848)

You may not if it weighs a considerable amount... "Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always throw it at him." - Boris the Blade, Snatch

Sorry! (1)

IamLarryboy (176442) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517849)

So if the gun crashes and fires acidentally do you get to see the blue sceen of death?

ya well no fine (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517643)

"ya well no fine"?

am i having a stroke and losing the ability to decipher english? what does this mean? ;-P

Re:ya well no fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517706)


Sounds like English Creole to me.

Re:ya well no fine (1)

jmays (450770) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517748)

I would have said "Canadian", eh. But then again ... anything that is incomprehensible I call "Canadian"!

Re:ya well no fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517742)

I was wondering that myself... this is my best explanation:

He's talking/typing to himself, and is debating NOT spell/grammar checking the post:

"Should I spell/grammar check the post?"
"Yeah" (Ya)
"...well...."
"No. (I should)"
"Fine (I won't, this is Slashdot)."

But "ya" is hillbilly for "you", and given his poor grammar and spelling throughout, we have:

Ya well no fine.
You well know fine.
You all know fine.

So maybe he's trying to say something about how we all know those "crazy South Africans" are at it again.

Either way, it was definitely "a intelligent" post.

Re:ya well no fine (3, Informative)

CaseyB (1105) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517775)

This says [tripod.com] it's South African for "I'm bored".

Re:ya well no fine (1)

DavidTurner (614097) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517892)

In Soviet Russia, you say Da-Nyet. In South Africa, it's No-Ja (no-yes), or if you're really trying to make a point, "Ja Well No Fine", or "No Ja Well Fine" or any other combination of the above. Basically, it's an emphatic way of saying, "whatever".

But what about? (-1, Offtopic)

Sarauble (573656) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517648)

What happens when it breaks?

Sigh (5, Insightful)

molrak (541582) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517651)

It's also a gun easily disabled by an electro-magnetic pulse, which is especially relevant since the military now has EMP bombs.

Criminals will still be Criminals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517652)

When the world outlawed certain countries from making guns, what did they do? They used soviets. Cheap, powerful.

So, tell me, what is stopping a crook from NOT buying one of these? By putting a gun like this in circulation, you are basically protecting only the "good" gun owners; the bad guys will still just go out and buy guns off the black market. And, well, what happens when it becomes illegal NOT to use guns like this?

Well, I see cars around me all the time with modified exhausts-even though its ILLEGAL where I live.

Crooks will be crooks; thats why my solution doesn't lie in the gun, it lies in the criminal; work on figuring out why people use guns instead of fixing guns for crazy people.

Re:Criminals will still be Criminals (1)

t0ny (590331) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517855)

the bad guys will still just go out and buy guns off the black market.

As opposed to now?

And, well, what happens when it becomes illegal NOT to use guns like this?

You eventually get most of the illegal guns out of circulation thru attrition, and then there is accountability with the guns. Of course, someone can just haxor a stolen gun to not use the ID function...

Crooks will be crooks; thats why my solution doesn't lie in the gun, it lies in the criminal; work on figuring out why people use guns instead of fixing guns for crazy people.

So what should people do, just shrug and say 'thats the way it is', and try and do nothing to change anything? Or wait for God to come down and explain "Why"? Either way, I would rather see people try to innovate a solution. It doesnt get better overnight, and this is a crude first try. But its a nice start.

I know you probably will never see a soldier with this gun, and I wouldnt want to drop it in water. But eventaully it will improve (assuming it catches on).

Video of shooting may help 2nd amendment rights? (5, Insightful)

davidj0228 (543196) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517654)

a video record of what you're shooting at... hmmm maybe this will be the advance in technology that can bring the gun rights people and the gun control people together. i think accountability is the most important thing; if you are responsible you can have a gun if you want. now only if bullets had these minicams in them so that you can see who shot the bullet when the shooter cant be found

Re:Video of shooting may help 2nd amendment rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517765)

I can't wait until small, reasonable resolution and frame rate video cameras can be worn with a cord going to a waist clip harddrive or a radio antennea. We'll see some flip-floping of positions on the privacy issue; the facist portions of our society will discover the value of privacy when not just the authorities are recording everything, and the civil libertarians will discover that you can actually exercise your rights when you make it impossible for people to lie about you in court.

Re:Video of shooting may help 2nd amendment rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517800)

Now.. what you see and what you hit can be different things, no?

What we need is a bullet with a mini-cam in it to take pictures of it's victim before it strikes, and preferably a picture or two of his internal organs(also great for diagnosis--bad liver? no problem anymore!), and maybe a picture of his backside as it exits.

Until this happens, I will remain unimpressed.

Not so hot... (5, Insightful)

Voytek (15888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517657)

The problem with all of these type of technologic "advancements" in firearms is that they miss the whole point of a self-defense firearm. If one is to use a firearm for self-defense, it will be used at the last possible moment - a moment that does not allow for software glitches, hardware bugs, run-down batteries, etc...

This 'technologizing' of firearms is only viable for certain military applications - useage scenarios far removed from those of civilian owners; yet there are enough dumbass lobbyists and politicians who don't understand that one can NOT ask an attacker to 'wait while I reboot my gun'.

Re:Not so hot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517682)

Well, perhaps if you kept your firearm in proper working condition when you didn't need it, it would be ready to serve when you DID need it. When you clean and oil the barrel, replace the batteries - how hard is that?

Re:Not so hot... (5, Insightful)

Voytek (15888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517707)

OK, you trust your life to this piece of shit and I'll trust mine to a Glock or Sig or HK - any of which can go 10,000 - 30,000 rounds without a jam or misfire...

Re:Not so hot... (1)

barc0001 (173002) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517811)

And the same thing can happen (a jam, anyway) if you don't maintain your regular firearm as well. Bottom line, if you have a gun for self defence, you have to take care of it. Just like you have to change the batteries in your smoke alarms, the oil in your car, etc. Nothing's perfect... But on the plus side, with barrels like this thing uses, you won't need to clean it.

I learn somthing new every day. (3, Insightful)

Chris_Stankowitz (612232) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517659)

From the article:

For a street-legal weapon that complies with civilian laws, it would have a 10-round magazine and fire single shots only, requiring the trigger to be pressed each time.

So....A "street-legal" gun is one that can only shoot 10 people in about 15 seconds or less? What street would this be? Then again this is being developed in south africa. I guess even warlords have to keep their goons under a tight leash.

Re:I learn somthing new every day. (4, Interesting)

Voytek (15888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517692)

Hopefully much less than 15 seconds to shoot ten rounds. But what are you after? A slashdot-like time delay between shots?

You do understand that guns are still legal in the US, right? Despite the misguided efforts of those who can't read...

Re:I learn somthing new every day. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517716)


Warlords? In South Africa? Ignorant twit.

Re:I learn somthing new every day. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517795)

The requrements for a so called street legal firearm (one approved for civillian use) is ussualy that it will only fire one round per pulling of the trigger (aka Semi automatic acction) since most pistols can fire as quickly as tyhe trigger can be realisticly pulled , this is not anything different from the way guns have allways been..

Re:I learn somthing new every day. (1, Flamebait)

Tailhook (98486) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517838)

10 people in about 15 seconds or less

Oh no, a ten round magazine is far more terrifying than that. With armor piercing rounds and careful alignment of your shots it will kill at least 20 people! Of course, any competent shooter will have one round in the chamber in addition to the magazine, so there's another two dead innocents. Naturally one should consider using tiny gas dispensers in the rounds for an area effect. Certainly that would be good for 100 or more! At some point the NRA will finally succeed in producing tiny fission warheads. At that point 10 rounds should be good for wasting several hundred!

Judge Dred (1)

bace (628761) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517670)

As bad a movie as it was, it is starting to look alot like the present, Well with regards to wepons it is.

good idea... (5, Insightful)

pummer (637413) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517679)

... but, this would in essence be pointless. There are guns over 100 years old that still work today, and there are millions of guns without this implemented floating around. What kind of stupid-ass criminal would buy one of these when he could steal a gun without this?

Re:good idea... (1)

malarkey (514857) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517747)

I can see the next "Ask Slashdot" question:

If one wanted to design a gun that would last for hundreds of years, what would one have to do?

Re:good idea... (1)

optikSmoke (264261) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517835)

If one wanted to design a gun that would last for hundreds of years, what would one have to do?

Build it out of rock, obviously. Concrete is just too darn susceptible to water erosion.

Re:good idea... (1)

Stephen VanDahm (88206) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517786)

I imagine that it would have interesting police applications. Every police shooting could be documented so that, if challenged, the cops could show that it was necessary. Also, in a country that favors aggressive gun control laws, this technology might make the difference between being allowed to have a gun and not being allowed to have a gun.

I do think it's pretty worthless as a military weapon -- when the M16 was released the first ones were notoriously unreliable and it took some time (and a lot of dead American soliders) to work out the bugs. I would imagine that, for military equipment, you'd want to keep rifles and handguns as simple as possible, and to stick with a proven design for as long as possible. It seems that this gun adds a lot of unnecessary complexity.

Re:good idea... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517837)

Not to mention that you can make a firearm out of just about anything. Have a potato and some PVC? Make a starch cannon... put some bearings or rocks in the potato, and you're practically guranteed to send some bastard to the ER.

Face it, as long as people want to kill themselves, there's always a way to do it.

Crossbow? Bow and arrow? Extremely effective. Heck, they can even penetrate kevlar, and can cause much more damage than a regualr 9mm FMJ.

Throwing spear? Takes some practice, but any geriatric could skewar some poor son-of-a-bitch with some effort.

Lo, the day when the thugs resort to drive-by stranglings.

Just got my First Internet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517680)

Hello, this is my first internet. Looking for penfriends with interesting links dmiller@iinet.net.au [mailto]

David

I don't think so... (2, Interesting)

FooGoo (98336) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517687)

I'll stick with my H&K.

Great... (3, Funny)

craenor (623901) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517689)

Now the Chic Geek will be looking to outfit his Segway with a turret.

Then you can add blue tooth so you can fire it remotely...just make sure it doesn't get hacked.

GO SA! (1)

kishyr (577768) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517690)

Woohoo!

GO South Africa! :-)

Is the gun powered by Windows? (4, Funny)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517695)

I can see it now.
"This gun has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down..."

OMG UR FUNNY!!111!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517789)

mod this +5 now its soooooo funny

The Fifth Element (5, Funny)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517703)

But I bet the idiots who bought 4 large crates of these guns didn't bother to ask about the little red button on the side.

Wonder what it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517709)

it would be like to fuck Star Jones while riding a
Segway.

That fat bitch? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517819)

I can understand wanting to fuck a hot Negro babe, but you could do better that that obese skank. Someone like Khandi Alexander would be a prime fuck.

What is the logic behind the safeguards? (4, Insightful)

MyNameIsFred (543994) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517712)

I don't understand some of the logic behind some of the guns features, for example, the built-in camera. If I'm going to do something illegal, I can put a piece of tape over the lens. And if its recording data on all shots, and taking pictures, how much memory does it have? If I go to the shooting range, and I go thru a couple of boxes of ammo, will I run out of memory? If I run out of memory, does the gun lock up? Regarding the the biometric data locked into the gun. Knowing how fast most other things are cracked, how long till mod chips are available? Somehow this doesn't seem to be the answer to gun crime.

Re:What is the logic behind the safeguards? (4, Interesting)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517827)

If I'm going to do something illegal, I can put a piece of tape over the lens.


If you want to do something illegal, you probably won't use this type of gun in the first place, you'll use the regular old kind. But imagine that you are a cop accused of shooting someone irresponsibly. Having picture evidence of exactly what they were doing when you shot them could be quite useful to you.


If I run out of memory, does the gun lock up?


Why would it lock up? Obviously it wouldn't be able to store any more data without first deleting something else, but it would be up to the manufacturer to decide what it should do. My guess is that they would delete the oldest photo to make room for the new one.


These guns aren't designed to be criminal-proof, they are designed to be accident-proof, theft-proof, and self-documenting. As the article says, they are designed to be used by government officials and the military, not necessarily by Joe Civilian.

Fantastic! (5, Funny)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517715)

I can't wait to see all the gun camera images of Cops blasting away Citizens mid-crackpipe-hit showing up on www.thesmokinggun.com

But Wait! (1)

fuzdout (585374) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517730)

Does this gun ever BSOD?? ;)

(I see Star Trek phasers comming to Real Life with these types of weapon in the works)

It all sounds nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517740)

but will it be able to identify it's user through chocolate doughnut topping or whatever else people get on their fingers?

*ESR is DYING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517741)

to try this out.

Anyone think of covering the camera? (2, Funny)

Crasoum (618885) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517754)

Or possibly firing in the dark? Maybe even sitting high up in your father's oak tree polishing the gun with your bottle of nu-metal shine the all new gun polisher which also happens to coat the gun's camera in 3 inches of metal nu-ness as you shine and chant "I am the angel of death."

not fp but not lp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517757)

imagine a beowulf cluster of these...

A spycam I'd like to see. (1)

GhettoFabulous (644312) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517758)

That cam would sure be a lot more entertaining to watch than some crappy office/desk mounted webcam. Just donate a set of these to your local police department and see how the pictures turn out.

Anakronims (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517761)

What is BSOD, and what is LOL? help please

David
dmiller@iinet.net.au [mailto]

Here's my 20 cents.... (1)

madmarcel (610409) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517766)

1) Does that thing remind you of a Star Trek phaser as well?

2) Thumb-print protection? Eh...excuse me, but wasn't there recently an article on Slashdot were a bunch of students tested thumb-print security and found that they were pretty much all easy to bypass!?!?! Some thumb-print security pads could be by-passed by simply BLOWING on them!!!

Puts a whole new meaning to the phrase "This'll blow you away man!"

my 2 cents (0)

my_name_is_steve (455393) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517769)

not even worth it

Goes great with America (1, Troll)

interstellar_donkey (200782) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517772)

Of course, every American will want one. It's our constitutional right.. you know, just in case our government gets out from the control of the people. After all, the government is born of the people, and it's every American's right.. ney, DUTY to take up arms against their government when they have over stepped their bounds.

So if that happens, well, when the black storm troopers try to take away ma and pa's surburban homestead, we'll protect it.... what? 'central control has declaired use of this firearm unauthorized???' WTF????

Seriosuly, can I get mine without 802.11x??

I am not a gun nut

How smart? (1)

idiotnot (302133) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517774)

Something not addressed in the article.....does it fire reliably when the rightful user sqeezes the trigger?

In matters of home defense, it'd be really bad if it was as reliable as something like a child-proof lighter.

And then they mention it being for soldiers? WTF! I thought it was for home defense.

Of course, the area of guns is one of the few areas where I agree with ESR.

Help for Coputer Pograiming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517784)

How do I get sarted in coputer pograiming? I want a pograim to make to tern my ligts out wen I goto bed?
David
dmiller@iinet.net.au [mailto]

How many 'pictures' can it actually hold (2, Insightful)

CatPieMan (460995) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517790)

Here is something odd, how many pictures can be stored in the gun. I mean, realistically, it can't store an image of every single shot ever fired. A criminal could find out that it can only hold, say, 1500 shots, and after shooting someone, go and clear the memory out. Then, he could use the defence that the gun doesn't have a picture of him shooting the person.

The only way for it to really keep an image of every shot ever fired is to have an unlimited storage. I don't think they've invented the new unlimited storeage devices quite yet.

-CPM

Hacking (2, Insightful)

drc500free (472728) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517793)

I found it interesting that the rate of fire is digitally controlled... I'm just seeing a these getting modified on the street to shoot automatic.

Ahh yes (1)

sielwolf (246764) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517796)

But does it have the five red LED lights on the side ala the Dolph Lundgren I Come in Peace (representing "normal shot" all the way to "super-ultra gasoline explosions! shot")?

electronic guns... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517797)

I always wondered about firearms dependant on electronics to operate. I'd hate to be a cop in East LA who squeezes off three rounds and gets "lo_bat"...

This is moot. (0, Insightful)

Bueller_007 (535588) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517799)

Doesn't the US already something ridiculous like one gun for every man, woman and child in the country?

So really, how would this change anything? Suppose the US gov't mandates that all new guns be "smart guns". So there are now 250 million ILLEGAL "dumb guns" floating around. Of course, the people who want them to do bad things aren't going to register their guns anyway, so the government won't find these until after the fact. i.e. an illegal "dumb gun" shows up at the murder scene.

"Dumb guns" then become a valuable commodity, as well, I might add. The price would sky-rocket on the black market, and you would see a lot more crime.

And I wonder how difficult it would be to crack the technology? So that every picture that it takes is a snapshot of a target, or so you can fire someone else's gun, converting the "smart gun" into a "dumb gun", etc.

Although it is a step in the right direction, I think that even if there were "smart gun" laws passed, that it would be a VERY long time before "dumb guns" were off the scene.

I think perhaps the only place where these can make a difference is in the military, where firearms can be controlled better, so that soldiers' actions can be tracked.

No one should have a gun.

How reliable is an electronic gun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517809)

What percent of the time does it recognize the owner from his thumbprint? 95%? What if your thumb is dirty or covered with blood(from fighting a burglar)? Also it's an electronic gun that requires a battery. So if you forget to recharge it, you're screwed? I'd rather buy a reliable Glock than this P.O.S.

simplify, simplify, simplify (4, Funny)

a man named bob (623932) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517813)

The more complicated something is the more stuff there is to fail... "hey I'd shoot you but my $#$^ gun just ran out of batteries, can I borrow some double A's" It might also give a new meaning to "blue screen of death"

Do yuo haev som tips? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517821)

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David
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Now only if Robert Blake used one of these... (1)

No. 24601 (657888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517828)

we'd have live footage for America's Dumbest Criminals - Dumbest Criminal special.

Re:Now only if Robert Blake used one of these... (1)

fuzdout (585374) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517883)

Problem I see, is if it only starts recording after you fire the weapon the only thing you'll see is a very quick brief picture of the expression on the "victem's" face.

How handy. We can all start polling how often people's last words are "oh shit" versus "God, no!" simply by lip reading since I don't recall the article mentioning the camera having sound.

They Don't Get It .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5517834)

I am not going to get on my soap box about the second ammendment, cause you belelve what you want. I'm not going to mention the ease of hacking any system that is static like this , and others talk about the biometric encoding. I want to mention a couple of things and see if anyone catches the point ...
Dadric Arms Tround system
Gyro-Jet
Super .22 ammo
H&H Nitro Express
All of these are special ammunition types that have come and gone for the most part , because the expense of haveing one manufacture making ammo (especialy for one production model) is prohibitively expensive. What happens if the millitary conract is not enough to keep the manufacturer going ? where will the exra ammo come from ? How mutch is it going to cost to train all the soders on the new system ?
There have been alot of changes in weapons in the past ten years , but this is just another gimmic.

Ugh (1)

Ryvar (122400) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517836)

This is honestly the stupidest thing I have ever heard of - crook in your home, you raise your gun to fire and . . . it crashes. Great. Better yet, corrupt government, you're part of a revolutionary force, and . . . you can't make ammo. Even better!

South Africa has made such amazing contributions to firearms design, improving upon the Israeli Galil (a tall order) in the R5, their standard army rifle. Let's not forget the Neostead shotgun [world.guns.ru] , a revolutionary design in shotguns which reverses the direction of the pumping action so that each shot's recoil reloads the shotgun for you. Nor should any gun geek forget South Africa's ultimate expression of Freudian one-upmanship - the 20mm NTW-20 [club.guns.ru] anti-material rifle, a rifle that people wishing to realize the carnage of Quake on a target a mile away will certainly find useful.

South Africa has given us plenty of extremely forward-thinking examples of peerless gun engineering in recent times - this little travesty is by no means one of them. It violates KISS in every way possible, and that's not something you do with a tool your life may depend upon.

--Ryvar

is it me or is... (1)

No. 24601 (657888) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517853)

those crazy South Africans are at it again one very offensive and racist statement coming from a guy named StrawberryFrog. I wouldn't go provoking guys with intelligent firearms, if i was you!

Useless... (3, Insightful)

darkwiz (114416) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517875)

Rather than argue about whether or not we have the right to (or should have the right to) own and use firearms in a mostly unmonitored sense, let us examine how this technology will prevent anyone from actually using this firearm maliciously or accidentally.

1. Requires at least a thumbprint, possibly a smart card as well.

The smart card being proximal means that someone could easily use it near you if the thumbprint recognizer false positives. This may seem like a stretch, but odds are the thumbprint devices will have to settle for partial matches - a gun that doesn't fire when you need it to is useless. So if you keep your smart card locked up anywhere near it, genetically similar people (like your children) will probably still be able to use it.

2. It has a camera on it. It takes pictures of everything you shoot.

Circumvention device: Chewing gum.

3. We'll install a GPS device on it to record every position you fire it from.

That'll go over really well with those who think that gun registry databases are intended to empower the gub'ment to take away their guns when "the time comes."

What happens when you "lose" the murder weapon?

4. We'll use specially manufactured barrels and bullets that people won't be able to reload themselves.

Bull. Where there's a will, there's a way. The only honest motivation for this is to prevent people from using unregulated ammunition. Anyone who wants to kill someone will simply use whatever tool best facillitates it.

If you don't really care about long range accuracy, you can make a workable gun out of pipe, lead shot and something that goes boom (available in your local grocery store).

What this all really amounts to is a desire to uninvent something that has nefarious uses. If you really want to protect children, throw irresponsible parents in jail. If you are going to have a gun in the house and not properly teach your children to respect it - lock it up. Children can be taught to respect some basic rules regarding firearms (they somehow manage to not stab each other "accidentally" and to not walk out into moving traffic "accidentally"). If you just TALK TO YOUR F***ING KIDS rather than hide the truth from them, they can and will actually listen.

However, I understand that some parents are unfortunately incapable of exercising any real parenting skill. It would be nice if we could do something about it, but natural selection seems to be a moot point on humans anymore.

Not a solution (2, Informative)

rzbx (236929) | more than 11 years ago | (#5517886)

"...In effect, the curtains will always be open. When your neighbours can see in, you tend to be a lot more careful about the way you conduct yourself."

I found this line to be quite scary. Next thing you know it'll be against the law to keep your curtains closed. The device is quite interesting and all, but I have object to it. Sure, you'll stop some of the low level crime, but a black market for modifying these things will exist and it will be run by high level criminals. Have they yet to understand that guns are not the source of the crime? Change the gun and in effect you change the crime, but no where do I see the elimination of crime due to these guns. There may be a slight reduction possibly, but then one must take a look at the other side. Do innocent people die because they are unable to use the gun against an intruder? Is more money being put towards the underground gun smugglers to modify these weapons? There are more questions to be asked. So just step back and think about how much this will actually help.
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